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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
One of the strongest earthquakes ever recorded hit the far
east of Russia of the of course, that flooded a
fishing port in the area with the tsunami and prompted
tsunami watches, warnings, advisories throughout the Pacific rim. We here
in La got the tsunami. The first effect of the tsunami,
the first wave just about one in the morning last night,
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didn't turn out to be anything particular. La County beaches
have reopened, but they are saying that because of the
potential for aftershocks to this massive eight point eight earthquake
and the unknown nature of the giant Pacific Ocean, we
could still see some weird things going on in the currents,
so to be careful, be careful when you're out there
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along the waters. The federal grand juries that indicted Jeffrey
Epstein and Ghlene Maxwell Well did not hear directly from
any of the alleged victims in the cases. The only
two witnesses, both law enforcement officials, testified before those juries.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
The grand juries.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
That's what the Justice Department says in its request to
unseal transcripts of what are usually secret proceedings in the
grand jury. The filing says that the Epstein grand jury
only heard from an FBI agent when it met back
in twenty nineteen, and that the Glenn Maxwell grand jury
heard from that same FBI agent and one detective from
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the NYPD. Judges are going to have to approve any
request to unseal those records. The LA Homeless Services Authority
is directing some cuts now the so called time limited Subsidies,
which is a program designed to get people into shelter,
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into a shelter, not a homeless shelter necessarily, but inside
in some degree. Now, Michael Munks has joined us from newsroom,
which is a long walk down a very lonely hallway.
So thank you for coming all the way in here.
It's always less lonely when I'm sitting here across from you.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Yeah, I guess it would be, wouldn't it.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
What is it like down there?
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Is?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Do you guys have as nature started to take over
that space again? No, I like to sit in different
chairs just to keep the cobwebs off. Got it and
log into all the various computers to irritate the other
people who might come in afterwards and log off. Absolutely
as we keep it interesting and inspite of the fewer
people makes it up.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Love that.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah, all right, So what's going on with the LASA
does have new sales tax revenue that they're dealing with,
but they're still cutting LASA is in a very weird position,
and it's difficult for me to even explain it because
as someone who watches this agency relatively closely and the
governments that govern it, I don't know what's going to
happen to this because when you think about the LA
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Homeless Services Authority, this is an agency that was formed
in collaboration between the City of Los Angeles and the
County of Los Angeles, and the County of Los Angeles
has now wiped its hands of this organization. So there
are two things happening to law on the county side. One,
the county is standing up its own homeless department. They've
just named the leader of that. They're going to be
doing their own thing, and that has taken about three
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hundred million dollars that otherwise would have gone to the
LA Homeless Services Authority. Secondarily, and more directly related to
what you're talking about, these time limited subsidies. Let's think
back to November when voters in Los Angeles County approved
a higher sales tax to fund homeless programs. It was
known as Measure A. It passed relatively comfortably. But in
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addition to funding homeless programs, one key component that may
have helped inspire people to vote for it was that
it is to fund more affordable housing. And that has
been a message from local leaders for a while.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
The best way to.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Solve homelessness is housing, and two, the best way to
prevent homelessness is to keep people housed, So that is
to make it more affordable. And so a lot of
the money that would have been used for time limited
subsidies will now be used instead for more affordable housing projects.
Time limited subsidies work a little bit like Section eight,
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except there's a time limit on it. So you are
a homeless person who wants to get into an apartment,
you can receive one of these time limited subsidies through
the LA Homeless Services Authority and get back on your feet.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Is something out of time?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Is it something where they promised to subsidize whatever the
cost is for four months or six months or something,
and then you're on your own.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
That is exactly right.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
So it's designed for people who are able to re
enter regular society, we might call it. It's not necessarily
somebody who is having manic episodes on the street, somebody
who is addicted to drugs and might need more what
they call wrap around services, additional help in a variety
of forms. It's somebody who fell on some hard times
and is now taking the initiative to.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Improve their lives.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Last year they had about seven thousand plus TLS available
to folks, and pretty soon it's going to be down
to about just over two thousand in so it's a
significant drop. The billion dollars a year roughly that comes
from Measure A, the expected which is the sales tax
increase you talked about it being voted in last November.
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The billion dollars a year is a rough estimate about
how much would be coming in. It doesn't all go
to LASSA. I mean, are other agencies also dealing with
the same I guess issues when it comes to figuring
out where to put the money. This is what I
mean when I have to say we don't know exactly
what role La Homeless Services Authority LASA is going to
play in the future of the homeless industrial complex, all
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of the different organizations, all of the different agencies, all
of the different governments that are involved in it. Measure
A is a county initiative. LASA does not administer that
higher sales tax. That money goes into the coffers of
the county and is designated specifically for homeless programs, and
now they have their own standalone department. This was one
of the concerns from La City officials about Measure A
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was what does that mean for the amount of money
we're going to have available through LASS to fund the
programs that we think are important. And that is why
even today, as the city Council resumes meeting after a
month long break, they're going to be talking about some
homeless issues, both in the regular council meeting and in
the Homeless Committee meeting that takes place later this afternoon.
I am going to pull a Shannon Farreck, Can you
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stick around for one more semon because I have more
questions on If Shannon's not here, I'm happy to stay
because you keep the show on the rails, whereas I
am easily distracted and I'm ready to play, and she's
ready to play. Oh good, because I have a whole
series of questions about crystals and ice cream marketing.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Ah, the audience is going to love this. Gary and
Shannon will continue in just a moment.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Forty Back in New York City, self described Democratic socialist
or on Mom Donnie running for mayor, of course, and
it's been generating a lot of headlines. A new poll
suggests that he is leading the race for mayor by
double digits and has more support than all four other
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candidates combined. This is a guy again Democrat, self described
democratic socialist who is who is taking on former Governor
Andrew Cuomo, Mayor Eric Adams. The Republican side, you have
Curtis Sliwa, the seventy one year old talk show hosts
and activists, and Mom Donnie is leading all of them.
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Mom Donnie is actually planning a news conference. I believe
it's coming up about forty minutes from now, forty five
minutes from now in New York regarding the shooting in
the Manhattan office building from just the other day, So
keep an eye on that as we get into a swamp.
Watch KFI News. Michael Monks has joined us, and we're
talking a little bit about the LASA plans. LA Homeless
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Services Authority plans to cut back on what is known
as the time limited Subsidies program, even though LAS is
supposed to be getting some money from Measure A, the
roughly billion dollars that would be generated from that sales
tax that we all voted in favor of. I wanted
to ask you a more general question. You came from
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squirrel Cheek, Kentucky. Yeah, that was the county seat. Coming
to a place like this, a bigger city like this,
I mean, I know that you were also in the
shadow of Cincinnati for the most part in terms of
there was a big city nearby. But when you see
when you see a government the size of the city
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of Los Angeles, the size of the County of Los Angeles,
and the issues that they're dealing with when it comes
specifically to homelessness, do you in your mind think of
anything that happened from where you came from that would
be applicable to what you see here, Like, are there
programs are their plans, are their attitudes or is there
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something that we're missing in LA that maybe we would
see in smaller places around the country. All Right, So
I was a media guy from the Cincinnati market and
lived in Covington, Kentucky, where I grew up. Okay, so
they're connected by a bridge, so it's all a metro area.
In Covington, we had homeless people. When there were homeless
people who were drunk, rowty, doing drugs outside, sleeping in
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a place that they're not supposed to be because it
obstructs the public right of way. You could call the
police and it would do something that could be taken
care of weird immediately because it's illegal. Two, we had
a shelter in Covington that was for men only that
only opened up at night time. That would give them
a meal and they could sleep overnight and they had
to leave in the morning. But the line of people
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would be I mean, it may sound heartless to say,
but it was unattractive because they're lining up as the
evening communis started. They're coming down a major thoroughfare in
the city, and this doesn't look good for anybody that
you want to recruit to your city. To start a
business to raise a family. So the city acted and
moved that shelter, said you cannot operate here anymore. And
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they found a more industrial zone where it's hidden and
away from residences, and it now serves more homeless people
with more programs. So they actually improved upon it.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
So there was a problem. They saw it. There is
redress and it's done.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
That's what I don't see here because in spite of
the billions of dollars that have been thrown at homeless programs,
there are still tens of thousands of homeless people on
the street. And it's not just the fact that there
are people who are living unhoused, as you might hear
government officials say, it's the nature of a lot of
these folks that frankly terrorize investment, business people, residents. I've
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said this, and we've said this many times for a
very long time. There's a misdiagnosis about homeless people in
LA in California in general. There's an attitude about it
where it's it's an attitude that someone is one missed
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rent payment away from living in their car or a
tent or something like that. And there are obviously some
of what we consider a homeless population. There are some
of those people in there, but the majority of the
problems that we see are not people who just missed
a rent payment or just lost a job or something
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like that. It takes you have to fall down several
steps to where you are now walking around no shoes,
no shirt, mumbling to yourself looking for your next score.
That is a different layer of homelessness that comes with,
like you're saying, all of these different issues that need
to be addressed with those wrap around services. It's not
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just a time limited subsidy that's going to get somebody
back on their feet. I've said those exact words on
this air that these are not people who miss last
month's rent. For the most part. That's not to take
away the severity of the issue of people who are
facing economic insecurity and its certainty. It's true it's very
expensive to live here. There are, but then it would
require politicians and governments to explore why it's so expensive
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here and whether any of the regulations they've imposed may
play a role in that. The other thing is, if
you are on the verge of losing your home, call
up any small landlord who's operating in Los Angeles and
ask them how easy it is to evict somebody in
the city or the county like this just is not
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happening at the rate people say. And you ask me
about similarities between my hometown, Squirrel Cheek and the megacity
of Los Angeles, there is another similarity that's worth exploring,
and it is the messaging from the folks on the
homeless side of the argument, not the homeless people, but
the service providers. One argument that you hear here in
Los Angeles is these are Angelino's. Now, sure, while they're here,
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you can embrace them that way. I understand that perspective,
but that they originated here, that their last known address was,
you know, in exactly somewhere around here. The same arguments
would happen in Covington, Kentucky, because you would hear opponents
of the placement of a shelter in Covington say people
are flocking here because this is where the services are,
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and you would hear homeless providers say no, no. According
to our surveys, they went to you know, Covington High
School and their last known address was on Main Street.
So without really being able to verify that or finding
out that they were just crashing at some fellow drug addicts,
drug den or something like that. You see the same
arguments here that these are not people flocking to Los
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Angeles because of the generous amount of services that are
provided to folks. And I think it speaks to the
nature of an industry that doesn't necessarily need to solve
this problem. They need this problem to exist so that
they can exist right, and they don't need to figure
out which one is true, which came first, the homeless
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person or the homeless services. I just generalize LA government.
It's what I cover here primarily for KFI. I love it.
I love the history of Los Angeles in the county.
I mean it's it's it's storied, and it's a lot
of fun and they always keep it interesting. But I
have observed that leaders here they're not necessarily bad people.
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I know, it's easy to call somebody bad because you
disagree with their politics. I just think that they lead
more often with heart than head. There's a problem with
doing the reverse. Yeah, and you lead lead with feelings exactly.
If you lead too much with with the with head
and not enough heart, that can be problematic as well.
But there's way too much heart here and not enough brain. Yeah,
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we've talked about it as well, especially when it comes
to homelessness issues, is there's there's way too much carrot
and not enough sticking. Like we can open all of
the serve, provide all the services, but unless there's some
more concrete motivation to get people into services, that's never
gonna work.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
When I'm mayor Gary, there will be a stick in
every pot. I don't know. We'll work on that. Okay,
we'll work on that workshop.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
That's just I mean in terms of campaign sticking every pot. Okay,
I'm not crossing it off the list yet. I'm just
saying it's let's work on it. Michael Monks, thank you,
my pleasure. All right, coming back, remember yesterday we just
talked to somebody the DIY crosswalks that were going up
around Stoner Park and how the city came in and
ground the street to get rid of them.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Well, I have an update on that.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on Demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Good economic news that came in today suggests that, well,
the economy did pretty well, grew at an annual rate
of about three percent in the second quarter. Strung boosted
by the slowdown and imports. New data from commerce shows
a significant pickup for the first three months from the
first three months of the year when the economy actually
contracted by a little bit. So we'll talk a little
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bit more about that coming up at swamp Watch at eleven.
Also next hour, a whole slew of AI stories that
we're going to get to in terms of the amount
of electricity that artificial intelligence uses. We have a team
of kids that apparently may be our only chance to
defeat AI in the future. We'll talk about that and
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why it is that AI could still wipe out their
jobs even if the high schoolers win. We were talking
earlier about memories that you have memories of grandma's cooking
or grandpa's cooking.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
Ronnie Ray from Bewayena Park, my grandma on my daddy's
side made the best fried chicken ever.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
That's put pride.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
Chicken is one of my favorite meals, and that chicken
gravy that went along with the bashed potatoes.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Can't even say yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
A lot of people have great memories. Some people have
said they have bad memories of grandparents' food, Like I
would get random what I thought were toenails in the
mixed meat sandwich that grandma used to make, but still
loved it, still remember all of it.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
My name is Rebecca, and when I was a child,
I lived for a time with my grandparents in Central California.
My grandmother, from what I can remember, made flower tortillas
every single day when I lived with them. And it
wasn't so much the smell of the tortillas being made,
but it was the sound of being woken up in
the morning by her rolling pin smoothing out the dough
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to make the tortillas. They were awesome and that's one
of my fondest memories and I missed her a lot.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Thank thank you. Now that reminded me that my mom was.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
She used to bake cookies right around Christmas time and
they were They smelled incredible. They're just basic sugar cookies, right,
They smell incredible when they're baking. There was zero taste
to them, because that wasn't why she made them. She
made them so you could frost them, you could decorate
him and put your little sprinkles and Christmas stuff on there.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
That's why she made them. The cookie itself was awful.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
It's just a vehicle to get all of the frosting
and the Jimmys and things like that, which Elmer, by
the way, that is in appropriate use of Jimmy's on
a bad cookie, not on ice cream, okay, sprinkles, whatever.
Speaker 7 (18:29):
This isn't a story about Grandma's cooking, but the way
Grandpa would smell. He smoked cigarettes, smell like nicotine, okay.
He drank coffee, smell like caffeine, and wore old spice.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Yep.
Speaker 7 (18:41):
And I remember that smell vividly as a kid, and
there's been times in my life through the years where
that smell would come to me and reassure me that
Grandpa is still there, still present, and I remember him
just as he was. And he died in nineteen eighty three.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Yeah, that's a great memory. My grandfather didn't smoke, like
I said. He had a pipe, but I don't think
I ever remember seeing him smoke. This is Grandpa on
Mom's side. And every once in a while he'd smell
like whiskey. I obviously didn't know what whiskey smelled like
when I was four years old, but that combination of
the coffee, the whiskey, and the old spice or a
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cologne of some kind. So anyway, we'll talk more about
that throughout the show. Yesterday we talked with Jonathan Hale.
Jonathan Hale is a guy who lives in the Sawtel
area sort of where the ten and the four h
five come together in a corner there in West La
and along with some friends and neighbors and a group
called Crosswalk Collective which tries to encourage pedestrian safety throughout LA,
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they painted yellow crosswalks around Stonor Park because it's a
heavily trafficked area for kids, for people walking their dog,
kids on bikes, things like that, and they that area
around the park did not have marked crosswalks. There are
stop signs, but there was no marked crosswalk for someone
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to use. So over a couple of saturdays late may
they paint those crosswalks. I asked yesterday if Jonathan had
ever gotten a hold of Tracy Park, his LA City councilwoman,
to officially request those crosswalks be put in by the
city before they had to do it themselves, and he
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never got a hold of Tracy Park said that they
had tried to get a hold of her, but they
never were able to so they went ahead and painted
these crosswalks themselves ahead of a couple of summer camps
for kids.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
What happened then was.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
The city Department of Transportation somehow gets wind of it.
I mean people were covering it in the media, and
they roll out and literally scrape off the traffic grade
paint that was used and remove the crosswalks because a Now,
this is from somebody who used to work under the
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department's transportation but said that the state law would make
the city liable for any dangerous condition on the property
in its public right away. Diego Garza said a homemade
crosswalk is a dangerous condition because it creates the illusion
of safety where there is none, and they need to
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consider lighting, signal, speed limits, et cetera. Now, Tracy Park
has told LAist that she was upset. She requested that
those DIY crosswalks be left in place. In an interview,
she said, this intersection is at least slightly more safe
with the homemade crosswalks while we try to figure out
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the next steps. And of course the city doesn't believe
that you should be in the business of deciding where
crosswalks go because they know better than you do, or
something up next. San Diego may be on the brink
of a trash nightmare, a beautiful San Diego. Talk about that.
We come back, by the way. Shannon's out today, but
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she'll be back on tomorrow. Today she's on the airplane.
As a matter of fact, the Chargers are flying to
Ohio for tomorrow night's Hall of Fame game that you'll
hear live right here on KFI. Kickoff is coming up
right after five o'clock tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
US attorney Bill A.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Salee is being taken a task by a couple of
different media outlets. We'll talk about some of these articles
that have been written about Bill a sale Coming up,
also in the twelve o'clock hour, we're gonna go live
to Hawaii.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Doesn't that sound nice?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
We're gonna go live to Hawaiian and talk about what happened,
or more importantly, what didn't happen, more like of a more.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Like a suit no me last night. I'm sorry, I
wont ever do that again.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Hey, Gary.
Speaker 8 (22:57):
The thing I remember most about Grandma, she make silver
dollar pancakes and I don't know what she put in,
but they were different than regular pancakes, and they were
smaller and they were just a little bit sweet, and
to this day, like I cannot recreate that no matter
how hard I tried. Thanks, great show.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah, we were talking about the sense memories that exist
between you and your grandparents, especially surrounding food.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
Hey Gary, how does it?
Speaker 5 (23:22):
Mike?
Speaker 6 (23:23):
My grandmother full blooded Italian. She makes rigatoni and meatballs
like no other. It is very specific how it's made.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
I am.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
I am grateful enough to have such a special wife
that she has learned it and she totally kills it
when she makes it. Hey miss my grandma a lot.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Anyways, have a good day, everybody. Yeah, thank you for them,
Hey Gary.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
I didn't get to spend much time with my grandmother
because she was in Mexico City and we were here
in California. But I do remember her white spaghei. It
was like I can still almost savor it thinking about it,
and I was only probably ten, but it was amazing,
and she was Mexicana, so it was interesting. She was
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so good at spaghetti. Have a great day.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
You can leave us a talkback message on when you're
listening on the app and tell us what sense memories
you have about grandma and Grandpa's cooking. One of the
largest cities in the state has cut its public promise
of free trash pickups about a century after it was
put into law. Now a bunch of people down in
San Diego trying to figure out how they're going to
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get their trash picked up. San Diego has a new
trash feed that's been in the works for years, originally
approved a couple of years ago, few years ago. In
twenty twenty two via Measure B now Measure b amended
what has been on the books in San Diego for
well over one hundred years. Back in nineteen nineteen they
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put a rule in place called the People's Ordinance and
that outlawed waste removal fees garbage fees. Outlawed them, But
as of July one, this new law does allow the
city to charge for trash services for eligible households. The
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fee would be about forty four bucks a month. That's
about five hundred and twenty three dollars a year for
one of those one hundred gallon bins everybody's got. So
the eligible property is defined as a single family residential
property or a multi family property out of public street
that doesn't have more than four residences in one lot.
So that language, the way it carves it out, covers
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the majority of one point four million people who live
in San Diego, but.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Not all of them.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
So households and properties that don't fit into the requirements
are on their own okay, lots with more than five residentss, businesses,
gated or private properties, including housing complexes. About twenty one
thousand properties in the city of San Diego are about
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to become ineligible for city provided trash pickup. Only about
four thousand of those have secured a deal with a
private waste removal company, and that could leave a bunch
of people, literally thousands of area properties with no one
to pick up their trash. And as we've seen multiple
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times when it comes to garbage strikes in different cities
around the country or different cities around the world, that
can get bad really quickly. And it's not just you know,
the smell of rotting trash that's awful, but then you
get critters, you get rats, you depending on what kind
of trash you got, you got mosquitos and insects and
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things like that, and that can be bad. That can
be very there is let's just say there's a reason
why civilized societies have waste removal. Property owners are supposed
to find a private hauler by a specific deadline, and
the problem is some of those deadlines are all over
the place, depending on the regular trash pickup day. The
earliest deadline was July first for those with a Monday
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trash pickup. The latest is September first for those who
have a Friday pickup.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
And that's going to be just a mess.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
And the landlords are also expected to use one of
five different companies. There could be service interruptions, according to
the city, if you, as one of those non qualified
property owners, has to get a trash company to pick
up your stuff. One of the biggest problems is the
private companies are overwhelmed by what they're seeing. And if
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you've got five different trash hauling companies all trying to
go through a mishmash, patchwork quilt.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
If you will of service areas.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
You're gonna have garbage trucks all over the place every
single day unless they figure out a way to cordon
off that general neighborhood or this specific area and that
trash company serves that one, and this trash company serves
the other one.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
It's gonna get worse before it gets better.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Although the City of San Diego spokesperson says they are
in discussions conversations with these private trash companies and they've
actually only had a few complaints from property owners that
if you do have a problem there in San Diego
with your trash pickup, you should contact something called the
Environmental Services Department and they'll help you figure it out.
But September first, again is the deadline for you for
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everyone to finally get a private trash company in San
Diego if you don't qualify for the city stuff. All right,
swamp watch when we come back. Also, a massive amount
of artificial intelli diligence news we got to get through
when we bring out the AI desk.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
I guess it knows it's coming anyway. It's going to
bring itself out. But we'll tell you why.
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There is a sliver of hope some high school kids
have defeated artificial intelligence, maybe the last time. Gari and
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