September 9, 2025 • 30 mins
#WHATSHAPPENING – More than 50 shipping containers fall off cargo ship into water at Port of Long Beach #TCT – “Unknown Number” and Munchausen's by internet.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app. The pictures are in for the
iPhone seventeen. We'll talk about that out here in a
couple of seconds. The big fire that's burning through the
Sierra on a national force in eastern Fresno County has
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now burned into a big grove of giants sequoia. As
they said, at least a few of those trees are
on fire. It's called the Garnet Fire. It's up over
fifty thousand acres now sweat through the McKinney Grove sometimes
Sunday night early Monday morning. They said that the inversion
layer that was there had lifted, so the fire started
throwing some spots, the tossing embers that ignited the spot fires,
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and some of those cases, those spotfires were up in
the crowns the tops of those trees. So keeping an
eye on that, hopefully can save some of those can
save some of those trees over the next couple of days.
Stephanie Leidecker, one of the hosts of a true crime
I'm Tonight, has joined us. You can hear True Crime
Tonight Sunday through Thursday on a whole bunch of different
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iHeart stations and then repackaged right away as a as
a podcast that you can find on the iHeart app.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I feel myself getting incredibly rowdy right now that we're
entering at another hour.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Let's go, Let's let's go.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I know what you were gonna say, I don't what
the Long Island girls, ye'd say, let's go.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
It's time for what's happening? What else is going on?
Time for what's happening?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
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been trending today. The big one locally is that these
shipping containers fell off of a cargo ship into the
water in the port of Long Beach. Not funny, but
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dozens of containers fell. So whatever you were planning to
receive from from the Shean store, however, people say that
thing Sheen.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I think it's Shane she I think it is Sheen.
And the trans aren't gonna help it now it's all
very wet.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Now, it's all wet.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Whatever you had ordered is now somewhere floating in the
Long Beach Harbor. According to port officials, no injuries reported,
not clear exactly what was in them what caused them
to tumble overboard. There are a couple of videos that
show a secondary collapse. Like some of the video I saw,
you can see some containers already in the water, and
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then another stack fall off into the water. I can't
imagine if you're the guy operating the crane or the
gal that one of the stevadors or whatever longshoreman that's
I mean to watch that happen.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
That's just got them so stressful. It's so stressful. I
can only imagine my heart goes out. And so all
of those who are waiting for their you know, their goods.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
And think about how often I guess it happens more
often than we realize because it's out in the middle
of the ocean. But these sometimes these ships do get
knocked over or you know, the containers will fall off
out in the middle of the Pacific or Atlanta or
wherever they happen to be because of bad weather, and
it happens pretty regularly. But this is calm water. This
is very calm water. It's not supposed to do.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
This nearing a finish line, I might add.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
So yeah, kind of yeah, they almost got it, and
you're tracking your delivery.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Well, it's ninety eight percent of the way there.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
La Mayor Karen Bass announced her endorsement for the twenty
twenty six race for California governor.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
And I'll never let You'll never guess who it was.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I'm not even gonna play. It was Antonio Viragosa, the
former mayor. She says they've known each other basically their
entire adult lives.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
There buds similar.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Careers in that both of them were Speakers of the
Assembly at one point, both of them mayors of the
city of La. Karen Bass was a congresswoman, So that
was one one up that she has on him that
he doesn't have. You hat, But again, we spoke to
Antonio Virigosa last year while he was at the convention
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in Chicago, and by the way, nobody knew who he was.
That was a very weird, very weird phenomenon to see
him walking in the hallways and nobody stops him to
say hi, nobody, and he's been around at least California
politics for twenty five years.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I was gonna say twenty five at least.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, but we stopped him and were like, hey, are
you veil You're an interview and he was like, if
somebody wants to talk to me, sure. And then last
week we talked to him again, just kind of follow up,
and he is, you know, running for governor, and thought
it would be good to give him a chance to
kind of air his views, and because at the time
in Chicago he said he wasn't going to run or whatever,
or he wasn't sure if he was going to run,
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and it was just a flat interview. People have bad days,
I get it, but I suppose kind of he had
a chance to do something and he didn't do anything.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Hmm. So your takeaway from that was not the guy
he didn't.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Well, he's polling so far below, he's pulling below Eric Adams,
we'll say that.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
So, but he's got a he's got a ways to go.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
He does well fundraising wise, he still has a lot
of those money connections, but he's.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Got a he's got a ways to go to get
his voice heard.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Uh l.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
A PD is also investigating this is up your ally
here gruesome discovery of a body inside an impounded Tesla and.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Hollywood, what a terrible tale.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
I am going to butcher the guy's name, m Hm,
David D four VD. If you was on a license plate,
I would say they're trying to be creative and say David,
but either a.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Performer, a big singer actually going to be performing tonight.
Imagine the car that you don't have in your possession
has a dead body in the back.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I mean, he's got an alibi, I suppose. I mean,
I don't know when he was last in La, but
this thing was impounded because it was found I think
it was up along Mulholland or somewhere in the Hollywood Hills,
that's correct. That had been at the property, the impound property,
for a couple of days, and people started, you know,
smelling the telltale signs of a dead body. And they
did find a body wrapped in plastic in the trunk.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
I mean, and we don't have too many details about
how that body obviously got into the trunk, but imagine
a decomposing body in your trunk. It's you know, unheard of. Uh.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
They did that on MythBusters once.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
They did that on MythBusters once. I did see that episode,
but it was I.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Think they simulated the human body with the cadaver of
a pig.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Which they say has similar skin, So they're supposed to
be apples to apples. I'm not a doctor, so I'm
not sure if that's accurate, but the smell of decomposing
flesh is pretty legit.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
If you drive an EV in California, you're going to
lose your solo carpool access in October. I'm so confused
as to the push to get everybody to drive evs.
They would give you seventy five hundred dollars off the top,
they'd allow you drive in the HOV lane, and now
they're taken all that stuff away from you.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I know, even the seventy five hundred dollars thing isn't
really an option. Is that accurate?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Correct? I think I think it ends. I think it
ends this month. Actually I think it.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
But the DMV is reminding you federal regulations that authorize
clean air vehicle decals will expire on September thirtieth, So
on October first, your sticker means nothing.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
The little little arrow chevron.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Stickers were everything.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
I drove in a car. I had a loaner car.
When my car was in the shop, I had a
loaner car that had one of those stickers in it.
Driving solo, I still felt like I was going to
be in trouble. I still felt dirty.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
You felt like you were cheating the system a little bit. Yeah,
you were switching lanes, Yeah, I get.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
It, flipping people off left, yeah, come on. And then
finally the iPhone seventeen is out. They did their big
event up and Cooper Tino today did Apple. So they
have an A nineteen pro chip. They say it's forty
percent better sustained performance than the iPhone six teen pro.
The they also in it doesn't look good. I mean
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these are similar to the sixteens and they've got those
three big lenses.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
In the back of them.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
But for a lot of people, that is a bad image,
like it's we have some sort of animalistic response to
patterns like that, and some people do not like the
backside of those cameras.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I did not know that, So there's an animalistic I
will look at my core. There's an issue with the.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Three little'll look it up. I will send something. I'll
send an image to you. It's not pros, it's not weird.
Of course, send you an image and you tell me
if it freaks you out.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Okay, fair, Yeah, that's interesting. Okay, So yeah, I'm looking
at my phone right now with a cross eye.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
When we come back, unknown number, that new documentary on Netflix.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
Am six forty.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
We're going to get to this our true crime Tuesday
here And just to say, I just wanted to pay
off this tripophobia. Tripophobia is an aversion or a fear
of patterns of small holes, bumps, or clusters, and I
suffer from this. I don't know if that's the right word.
I've got it because it creeps me out. And what
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creeped me out early on was sunflowers. Sunflower Elmer, do
you have Stephanie up there?
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Are you ruining my iPhone? You're ruining my sunflowers?
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Come on, sunflowers when I was a kid, because they
grow so tall, their head gets heavy with the seeds
when they mature and they lean over and they look
at you.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Ooh, you were afraid of being looked at, yes, by sunflowers.
I get it, But you know, in between the break.
Gary was nice enough to share with me some photographs
of things that freak people out in their iPhones and
the three camera look on all of our phones, and yeah,
thank you for ruining it for me, because yeah, now
I have whatever that illness is.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Honeycombs, sponges, honeycombs are so scary. Images of venomous animals
or certain skin conditions can also cause this reaction.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
It seems like you sent me a plant that looks
pretty horrifying that also does resemble my iPhone image. So
thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
You might want to delete those, Okay, fair enough? It
is time for True Crime Tuesday. The story is true true, No.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
It sounds made up.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Scary and Shannon present True Crime.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Stephanie Laidecker is one of the hosts of True Crime
Tonight and has a particular specialty in terms of why
it is that we've invited her to come along on
a Tuesday for this journey, and this specific journey is
about the new Netflix documentary called Unknown Number.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
This is part of the trailer from that show.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
A high school girl in Michigan was cyberbullyed for more
than a year.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
And who turned out to be the suspect.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Shocked everyone.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
It was so bad to the point where I didn't
want to even go to Swainmoorn.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
It was relentless. I mean one in the morning, three
in the morning.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
I would question how I thought about myself. There's some
sick messages. They were enough to make a fifty three
year old man blush. It's crazy how having a phone
could become the worst thing that happened to me.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Things are about to get so much worse, all right.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
So to introduce you to kind of the main characters
early on, it's Ashley and Owen started, you know, a
boyfriend girlfriend when they were kind of like twelve, thirteen,
fourteen years old, something like that, very small town in Michigan.
And during their relationship, when they get into high school,
the group text that they were in started receiving text
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messages from an unknown number, hence the name of the documentary.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah, good title, good title.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
They really reached far for that one.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
But the cyberbully, whoever it was, was picking specifically on
Ashley's insecurities. I'm talking about her body. She was skinny,
she had a flat butt, she was ugly. Nobody liked her.
Owen didn't like her, Owen wants to break up with her. Whoever,
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this whoever, this cyber bully was was saying things like
Owen wants me, I'll do things with Owen that you
won't do sexually, that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
And by the way, Lauren and the girlfriend at the time,
she was thirteen years old when she and Owen first
developed their relationships, so they're really young.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
It's a okay. So some of those pictures, by the way,
were darling. I mean, these two kids together, they kind
of looked like brother and sister.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Early on, and it's like puppy love, right, they're each
other's best friends, they grew up together, they're happy. It's young, happy,
innocent love.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
The problem is they can't figure out who's doing this,
and it continues. There was a time it went on
for a while, the kids ignored it. Basically they got
their parents involved. The kids ignored it and it stopped.
But about a year later everything picked back up again.
The same kind of messages, the same you know, trying
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to drive a wedge between between the boyfriend girlfriend to
try to spur some sort of conflict between them, and
the thing is they were sharing the information with each other.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
So it's not like she was saying to him, why
are you doing this? Or do you know who this is?
Speaker 1 (13:41):
They were trying to figure out who it was because
they're both receiving the messages for the moment exactly.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
And again, when we say messages, they're like up to
fifty texts a day specifically being aimed towards the girlfriend
Lauren and yeah, again very hideous, highly sexualized things, and
it seemed as though it must be somebody who was
sweet for Owen, because yeah, it looked like the intention
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of this unknown caller was to split them up.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
They asked their friends to help out also, which I
thought was interesting because Lauren and Owen would the friends
had kind of developed this thing where they're trying to
figure out who it was. They would say specific keywords
in front of specific people to see if those keywords
would show up in those text messages they could narrow
down who it was.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
And by the way, remember this is a very small town.
The population at that time I believe was like three
hundred plus people, so it is one of those unique
places where everybody does sort of know everybody. So to
imagine that you're in school and a fellow classmate that
you may have grown up with and known your whole
life is targeting you. Is really scary stuff. So, yeah,
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the kids get involved and they're trying to almost lure
in this air quote stalker online, right.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
So obviously, because it rises to the level of a
Netflix documentary, there is a twist.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Twist might not be the right word.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
There is a surprise that comes along as they get
into this investigation. But the parents are involved, the principles involved,
the superintendent of schools are involved, the sheriff gets involved
in this investigation, and then they pull in the FBI,
and the FBI is able to do some of the
information forensics, the technology forensics that were unavailable to the
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local cops. We'll talk about where that went when we
come back.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
We're talking today specifically about this new Netflix show called
Unknown Number A High School The high School Catfish is
the subtitle, if you will. And again, the two main
characters right now are are Lauren and Owen boyfriend girlfriend,
and they start receiving these messages that are target Lauren
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more so using her nickname referring to things she wears
at school, stuff like the points that she would score
in a basketball game. Somebody knew very.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Close, it seemed like, or who was obsessed with her
and their relationship.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
It seemed so the parents, obviously, Lauren and Owen's parents
are concerned.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
They go to the school, they are involved.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
At one point, Owen basically turns his phone over to
his parents and they're going through and reading these messages
that are coming in, like you said, thirty forty fifty
times a day, and they're trying to read into them
whatever they can or suss out of them, any small
detail of the language, of the timing of anything. There
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was even a point where the principal in the high
school was having Lauren text him whenever she would get
one of these random messages, these unknown messages, and he
would then go back and cross reference video surveillance from
inside the school to see who was on their phone
in those moments before the message was sent.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
And can you imagine again, both sets of parents are
now fully invested. Everybody in the town has invested. The
parents are now teaming up together, becoming buds to try
to solve this. And you could imagine for little Owen
having to hand his phone over to mom. You know,
that's a lot of trust in that. And again, these
messages were racy and x X. They're just they were
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very sexual.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
So at one point I think I within the first
probably ten or fifteen minutes of this hour and a
half documentary, my wife said, just take.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
The phone away.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
I had that same thought, take the phone away. It's
like a loaded gun at this point, because it was
really affecting their mental health. The kids were really withdrawing.
You know, young Lauren was nervous and fearful and starting
to feel very badly about herself. She's being criticized again
and again and again and again and again by this
alleged online stalker. And again it starts to.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Take a toll. It took a toll on the relationship.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
They broke up because they couldn't do it, which I
could absolutely understand. And if you're a parent, you'd be
so frustrated by this because there's no answer to whatever
was going on.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Now.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
It got a little weird when Owen, after this had
been going on for a year and a half or
two years, he moved on and he actually got another
girlfriend or started dating a girl.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Better way to put it in some other town.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
But then that girlfriend in the other town, her mom
started getting messages from this unknown number exactly which were
basically like stay away from nohen, It's okay, Well, here
we go. Let's let's let's peel back to Curtin here
for just a second. Yeah, because this will be the
big spoiler alert. And again I apologize if anybody hasn't
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seen it yet, it's still worth watching once I tell
you who did this. The FBI gets involved because the
local cops can't find the information that they need. They've
downloaded multiple phones. They're trying to find out who's who's
responsible for these unknown numbers, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
They've interviewed everybody in the school.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
When the FBI gets involved, they're able to backtrack some
of the phone numbers, which are generated by a random
number generator app which hides who you are. They trace
that back to a couple of Verizon IP addresses and
then cross reference basically everybody that's involved in this case
to come up with.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
The phone number of Lauren's mother.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
The mother, her actual mother, who has been on the
front lines of seeing her daughter in so much anguish
and the destruction that it was causing on both lives,
and by the way, is participating as a consoler, like
she's the one caring for her daughter, yet she's the
one sending these texts.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Donne came from within the house.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
The house, So when you see that, it's like, wait
a minute, the most explicit, X rated disgusting things that
this unknown number was saying about she was gonna do
with the boyfriend.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Hmmm, what was the girl's mom?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Was the creepy, disgusting mom. And by the way, just
to add to that, not only was it disgusting and
sexual in tone and just really graphic, it also told Lauren,
this young girl who was suffering to kill herself right
multiple times. So imagine you're a young girl. You're getting
hit after hit after hit after hit, you have a
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flat butt, criticized for your looks, your boyfriend and you
break up because of this. You're being told to literally
commit suicide. Imagine that. And then it turns down it's
this wacka doo mom.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Okay, So that leads us into probably the last twenty
minutes or so of this documentary where you now know
that she's nuts, that mom is off or rocker, I
mean just gone and calm through all of it. It
raises a lot of questions right away, number one, And
you may have some experience with this, considering what you've
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done in terms of production of behind the scenes on
some of documentaries like this is You didn't you think
back to the first hour of the show and you think,
why did this woman, knowing that she was going to
be unveiled as the perpetrator of this crime, Why would
she sit for these interviews?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Why in the world would she sit with these interviews.
So that's a great question, and it's unanswerable. I've never
been in a situation really when the perpetrator was also
featured alongside the victims, let alone a mother daughter combination.
I mean, this woman's obviously very unwell. There's this extraordinary
bodycm footage where you see police basically busting mom live
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and then kind of telling the daughter, hey, look, we
know we figured out who did it. Surprised it's your mom,
and you know her daughter had such a blank, disassociated look,
and it was terrifying really, and she only ended up
doing eighteen years eighteen months mons. I think eighteen years
sounds better, honestly, Like, this is serious stuff and it's shocking,
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and I felt like I wanted to know more, and
I felt like Mom should have been held at the
carpet a little bit more too. If you're going to
be in a documentary and talk about something so graphic,
at least to own up to it and tell me
where to go from here. She still seemed like she
was in full denial of it.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Yeah, that raised a lot of questions at the end
of at the eight mad, mad is a great way
to put it, especially as a parent. And by the way,
the husband, at least, or at least Lauren's father, he
was rightfully outraged by the actions of the mother and
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was very I thought it was a very talent moment
where he's confronting her. He'd been called basically to pick
up Lauren because they're gonna take the mom to jail. Yeah,
and he basically said, you need to get out of
here now because if these cops leave, I don't know
what's gonna happen, and I'm gonna we're both gonna end
up in trouble.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
We're both gonna end up in jail, and can you imagine.
And again, she had been the consoler this entire time,
and by the way, there was also that family in
the town who had also been targeted because they started thinking, oh,
it must be this class of my Chloe, and Chloe
went through it, and Chloe's parents went through it, and
it just seems like an impossible one to believe. But
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apparently they're calling this now Munchausen's online is sort of
this disorder or you know, thing that is basically a disease.
I guess that oftentimes caregivers I shouldn't say oftentimes, it's
actually very rare, thank goodness. But in this case, mom
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is inflicting the pain onto her child and then receiving
the praise of being such a devoted hero Mom.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
We'll talk about that when we come back.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on Demand from KFI AM.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Six forty, continuing our True Crime Tuesday conversation about this
Netflix episode. Netflix documentary called Unknown Number the High School Catfish,
and again the reveal was mom was texting and cyber
bullying her own daughter and for years, for years, and
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got so far as not just you know, talking about
her physical appearance or how whether her boyfriend liked her
or not. She went on to tell her own daughter
to kill herself now.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
And then would console her after and would console her afterwards.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
And when asked about that by the producers of the documentary,
they they kind of tiptoed around it. They didn't put
a lot of pressure on her, but basically said, how
did you know she wouldn't And Mom said, well, I've
you know, I've had conversations with her and I and
I thought, or she said, she was confident that that's
not where Lauren was.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
You know that she wouldn't ever hurt herself like that.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
And I thought, how could you possibly, as a parent,
come anywhere close to taking that gamble?
Speaker 2 (25:19):
What are you and why are we taking the word
of a woman who's clearly very off right? This is
an actual thing. She did something that I think is
downright criminal. I think eighteen months is a cake walk
that seems like a traffic you know, violation, compared to
telling her own daughter to harm herself kill herself at
that point. And by the way, Mom it seemed like
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at least was also a little sweet on Owen, because
we later find out that Mom was like always going
to Owen's games, oh right, even when they were broken up.
She would still be the mom that showed up, can
you imagine? So how weird is that? So she was
sort of stalking and maybe sweet for this young boy,
So that's also disgusting and all obviously sending these horrible
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things to her daughter. This is a very h This
is a very deranged woman, and I don't think she
should be free.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
The Munchausen by proxy syndrome or Munchausen syndrome by proxy
gypsy Rose Blanchard was probably one of the more current
or more recent examples of that, and she's had TV
shows and documentaries about that. Now they officially call Munchausen
syndrome by proxy. They call it a factitious disorder imposed
on another. This would obviously fall under a category, whether
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it's that specifically or something like that, because again, she
was imposing this hardship on her daughter so that then
she could come in as the hero, as the consoler,
and get all the credit in the world for being
the one who helped champion the you know, the the
school board and the law enforcement to help find the
(26:59):
pulp perpetrate and all this.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
She makes best buds with the other parents of Owen
and is really again getting a lot of you know,
high fives for being so devoted. You know, you bring
up Gypsy Rose Blanchert famously, her mother Deti Blanchert, you know,
put her in a wheelchair, shaped her head, made her
undergo many many surgeries, and listen, you know Gypsy Rose
(27:22):
was living like a very sick little girl when in
fact she was perfectly healthy. Mom causing this and then
also mom being the hero six stuff. I just felt
like she should have been. I was screaming at the TV.
I was literally screaming at the TV. And we do
murder stuff all day. I feel like Kendra, mom got
(27:42):
a cake walk of a deal, and that little Lauren
deserves better and she should be locked away. And I
hope we're not glorifying her by giving her more of
a stage it was.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
You know, and then for her to fall back on
her own childhood trauma as one of the things save it.
And one of the other moms in the show, Oh
did say basically that she's like, I understand childhood trauma,
and I get why it could cause some conflict later
in life, but to somehow use that as an excuse,
an excuse for imposing this kind of hardship on your
(28:14):
own teenage daughter. Listen, being a teenage girl, I've never
been one, but I assume is probably already brutal.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
You don't need mom coming down on you from behind
the eight ball over.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
There, from behind the eight ball, trying to get sneaky
with your boyfriend. And also all the pictures she was
always around so much. She seems like she does, seems
plain off her rocker, and it bums me out because again,
I think eighteen months does not sound like enough time.
Even just based on what I saw in her interview,
it didn't seem like she had a ton of accountability.
(28:45):
She was still making excuses for herself. In fact, she
was like, oh what you guys, everybody does something illegal?
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Wait?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Is that the takeaway from the all the therapy that
you received in or eighteen months behind bars? I say
justice for Lauren and throw away the key on kindra oh.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
And band cell phones in schools period.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
The end, Perian, It's like everybody has FOMO. So I
would have been the worst as a teenager with a phone.
It would have, you know, honestly, probably been the death
of me. So like, I get it, but if everybody
doesn't have it, you know, at least there's no fomo.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Yeah, good point.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Stephanie Leidecker KATI Studios of course, one of the hosts
of True Crime Tonight. You can hear Tonight throughout the
land when it comes to the different iHeart stations the
air of the show live, but you can also catch
tonight's episode after the show and then all the past
episodes as well. Just True Crime Tonight is how you
search for it on the iHeart app for the podcast.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Thank you so much for this. This has been so
much fun.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Thank you so much for having me, and yeah, please
tune in to True Crime Tonight. Have the best co hosts,
Courtney Armstrong and Body move in and it's a call
in show, so we would love to hear from you
as well. Eight eight eight three one crime.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Eight a three one crime.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Yes, got it?
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Is that what's tattooed on your wrist?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yeah? It's not to report a crime. No, I taed
to it on the front of my hands. It's not
to report a crime or to commit a crime, but
it is to just join the show.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Well again, thank you for that. It's been a great
great morning and early afternoon.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Well, thank you for having me. And love goes out
to Shannon's mom.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Absolutely, thank you. John Cobalt Show is coming up next,
so we'll see you tomorrow. Stay drive, everybody you've been
listening to The Gary and Shannon Show, you can always
hear us live on KFI AM six forty nine am
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couple of seconds. The big fire that's burning through the
Sierra on a national force in eastern Fresno County has
(00:21):
now burned into a big grove of giants sequoia. As
they said, at least a few of those trees are
on fire. It's called the Garnet Fire. It's up over
fifty thousand acres now sweat through the McKinney Grove sometimes
Sunday night early Monday morning. They said that the inversion
layer that was there had lifted, so the fire started
throwing some spots, the tossing embers that ignited the spot fires,
(00:44):
and some of those cases, those spotfires were up in
the crowns the tops of those trees. So keeping an
eye on that, hopefully can save some of those can
save some of those trees over the next couple of days.
Stephanie Leidecker, one of the hosts of a true crime
I'm Tonight, has joined us. You can hear True Crime
Tonight Sunday through Thursday on a whole bunch of different
(01:05):
iHeart stations and then repackaged right away as a as
a podcast that you can find on the iHeart app.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I feel myself getting incredibly rowdy right now that we're
entering at another hour.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Let's go, Let's let's go.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I know what you were gonna say, I don't what
the Long Island girls, ye'd say, let's go.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
It's time for what's happening? What else is going on?
Time for what's happening?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Are trending stories brought to you by Trade and Well.
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been trending today. The big one locally is that these
shipping containers fell off of a cargo ship into the
water in the port of Long Beach. Not funny, but
(01:52):
dozens of containers fell. So whatever you were planning to
receive from from the Shean store, however, people say that
thing Sheen.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I think it's Shane she I think it is Sheen.
And the trans aren't gonna help it now it's all
very wet.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Now, it's all wet.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Whatever you had ordered is now somewhere floating in the
Long Beach Harbor. According to port officials, no injuries reported,
not clear exactly what was in them what caused them
to tumble overboard. There are a couple of videos that
show a secondary collapse. Like some of the video I saw,
you can see some containers already in the water, and
(02:31):
then another stack fall off into the water. I can't
imagine if you're the guy operating the crane or the
gal that one of the stevadors or whatever longshoreman that's
I mean to watch that happen.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
That's just got them so stressful. It's so stressful. I
can only imagine my heart goes out. And so all
of those who are waiting for their you know, their goods.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
And think about how often I guess it happens more
often than we realize because it's out in the middle
of the ocean. But these sometimes these ships do get
knocked over or you know, the containers will fall off
out in the middle of the Pacific or Atlanta or
wherever they happen to be because of bad weather, and
it happens pretty regularly. But this is calm water. This
is very calm water. It's not supposed to do.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
This nearing a finish line, I might add.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
So yeah, kind of yeah, they almost got it, and
you're tracking your delivery.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Well, it's ninety eight percent of the way there.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
La Mayor Karen Bass announced her endorsement for the twenty
twenty six race for California governor.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
And I'll never let You'll never guess who it was.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I'm not even gonna play. It was Antonio Viragosa, the
former mayor. She says they've known each other basically their
entire adult lives.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
There buds similar.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Careers in that both of them were Speakers of the
Assembly at one point, both of them mayors of the
city of La. Karen Bass was a congresswoman, So that
was one one up that she has on him that
he doesn't have. You hat, But again, we spoke to
Antonio Virigosa last year while he was at the convention
(04:08):
in Chicago, and by the way, nobody knew who he was.
That was a very weird, very weird phenomenon to see
him walking in the hallways and nobody stops him to
say hi, nobody, and he's been around at least California
politics for twenty five years.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I was gonna say twenty five at least.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, but we stopped him and were like, hey, are
you veil You're an interview and he was like, if
somebody wants to talk to me, sure. And then last
week we talked to him again, just kind of follow up,
and he is, you know, running for governor, and thought
it would be good to give him a chance to
kind of air his views, and because at the time
in Chicago he said he wasn't going to run or whatever,
or he wasn't sure if he was going to run,
(04:45):
and it was just a flat interview. People have bad days,
I get it, but I suppose kind of he had
a chance to do something and he didn't do anything.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Hmm. So your takeaway from that was not the guy
he didn't.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Well, he's polling so far below, he's pulling below Eric Adams,
we'll say that.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
So, but he's got a he's got a ways to go.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
He does well fundraising wise, he still has a lot
of those money connections, but he's.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Got a he's got a ways to go to get
his voice heard.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Uh l.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
A PD is also investigating this is up your ally
here gruesome discovery of a body inside an impounded Tesla and.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Hollywood, what a terrible tale.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
I am going to butcher the guy's name, m Hm,
David D four VD. If you was on a license plate,
I would say they're trying to be creative and say David,
but either a.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Performer, a big singer actually going to be performing tonight.
Imagine the car that you don't have in your possession
has a dead body in the back.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I mean, he's got an alibi, I suppose. I mean,
I don't know when he was last in La, but
this thing was impounded because it was found I think
it was up along Mulholland or somewhere in the Hollywood Hills,
that's correct. That had been at the property, the impound property,
for a couple of days, and people started, you know,
smelling the telltale signs of a dead body. And they
did find a body wrapped in plastic in the trunk.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
I mean, and we don't have too many details about
how that body obviously got into the trunk, but imagine
a decomposing body in your trunk. It's you know, unheard of. Uh.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
They did that on MythBusters once.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
They did that on MythBusters once. I did see that episode,
but it was I.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Think they simulated the human body with the cadaver of
a pig.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Which they say has similar skin, So they're supposed to
be apples to apples. I'm not a doctor, so I'm
not sure if that's accurate, but the smell of decomposing
flesh is pretty legit.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
If you drive an EV in California, you're going to
lose your solo carpool access in October. I'm so confused
as to the push to get everybody to drive evs.
They would give you seventy five hundred dollars off the top,
they'd allow you drive in the HOV lane, and now
they're taken all that stuff away from you.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I know, even the seventy five hundred dollars thing isn't
really an option. Is that accurate?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Correct? I think I think it ends. I think it
ends this month. Actually I think it.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
But the DMV is reminding you federal regulations that authorize
clean air vehicle decals will expire on September thirtieth, So
on October first, your sticker means nothing.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
The little little arrow chevron.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Stickers were everything.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
I drove in a car. I had a loaner car.
When my car was in the shop, I had a
loaner car that had one of those stickers in it.
Driving solo, I still felt like I was going to
be in trouble. I still felt dirty.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
You felt like you were cheating the system a little bit. Yeah,
you were switching lanes, Yeah, I get.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
It, flipping people off left, yeah, come on. And then
finally the iPhone seventeen is out. They did their big
event up and Cooper Tino today did Apple. So they
have an A nineteen pro chip. They say it's forty
percent better sustained performance than the iPhone six teen pro.
The they also in it doesn't look good. I mean
(08:06):
these are similar to the sixteens and they've got those
three big lenses.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
In the back of them.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
But for a lot of people, that is a bad image,
like it's we have some sort of animalistic response to
patterns like that, and some people do not like the
backside of those cameras.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I did not know that, So there's an animalistic I
will look at my core. There's an issue with the.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Three little'll look it up. I will send something. I'll
send an image to you. It's not pros, it's not weird.
Of course, send you an image and you tell me
if it freaks you out.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Okay, fair, Yeah, that's interesting. Okay, So yeah, I'm looking
at my phone right now with a cross eye.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
When we come back, unknown number, that new documentary on Netflix.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
Am six forty.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
We're going to get to this our true crime Tuesday
here And just to say, I just wanted to pay
off this tripophobia. Tripophobia is an aversion or a fear
of patterns of small holes, bumps, or clusters, and I
suffer from this. I don't know if that's the right word.
I've got it because it creeps me out. And what
(09:20):
creeped me out early on was sunflowers. Sunflower Elmer, do
you have Stephanie up there?
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Are you ruining my iPhone? You're ruining my sunflowers?
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Come on, sunflowers when I was a kid, because they
grow so tall, their head gets heavy with the seeds
when they mature and they lean over and they look
at you.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Ooh, you were afraid of being looked at, yes, by sunflowers.
I get it, But you know, in between the break.
Gary was nice enough to share with me some photographs
of things that freak people out in their iPhones and
the three camera look on all of our phones, and yeah,
thank you for ruining it for me, because yeah, now
I have whatever that illness is.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Honeycombs, sponges, honeycombs are so scary. Images of venomous animals
or certain skin conditions can also cause this reaction.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
It seems like you sent me a plant that looks
pretty horrifying that also does resemble my iPhone image. So
thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
You might want to delete those, Okay, fair enough? It
is time for True Crime Tuesday. The story is true true, No.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
It sounds made up.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Scary and Shannon present True Crime.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Stephanie Laidecker is one of the hosts of True Crime
Tonight and has a particular specialty in terms of why
it is that we've invited her to come along on
a Tuesday for this journey, and this specific journey is
about the new Netflix documentary called Unknown Number.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
This is part of the trailer from that show.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
A high school girl in Michigan was cyberbullyed for more
than a year.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
And who turned out to be the suspect.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Shocked everyone.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
It was so bad to the point where I didn't
want to even go to Swainmoorn.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
It was relentless. I mean one in the morning, three
in the morning.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
I would question how I thought about myself. There's some
sick messages. They were enough to make a fifty three
year old man blush. It's crazy how having a phone
could become the worst thing that happened to me.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Things are about to get so much worse, all right.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
So to introduce you to kind of the main characters
early on, it's Ashley and Owen started, you know, a
boyfriend girlfriend when they were kind of like twelve, thirteen,
fourteen years old, something like that, very small town in Michigan.
And during their relationship, when they get into high school,
the group text that they were in started receiving text
(11:56):
messages from an unknown number, hence the name of the documentary.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah, good title, good title.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
They really reached far for that one.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
But the cyberbully, whoever it was, was picking specifically on
Ashley's insecurities. I'm talking about her body. She was skinny,
she had a flat butt, she was ugly. Nobody liked her.
Owen didn't like her, Owen wants to break up with her. Whoever,
(12:25):
this whoever, this cyber bully was was saying things like
Owen wants me, I'll do things with Owen that you
won't do sexually, that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
And by the way, Lauren and the girlfriend at the time,
she was thirteen years old when she and Owen first
developed their relationships, so they're really young.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
It's a okay. So some of those pictures, by the way,
were darling. I mean, these two kids together, they kind
of looked like brother and sister.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Early on, and it's like puppy love, right, they're each
other's best friends, they grew up together, they're happy. It's young, happy,
innocent love.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
The problem is they can't figure out who's doing this,
and it continues. There was a time it went on
for a while, the kids ignored it. Basically they got
their parents involved. The kids ignored it and it stopped.
But about a year later everything picked back up again.
The same kind of messages, the same you know, trying
(13:24):
to drive a wedge between between the boyfriend girlfriend to
try to spur some sort of conflict between them, and
the thing is they were sharing the information with each other.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
So it's not like she was saying to him, why
are you doing this? Or do you know who this is?
Speaker 1 (13:41):
They were trying to figure out who it was because
they're both receiving the messages for the moment exactly.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
And again, when we say messages, they're like up to
fifty texts a day specifically being aimed towards the girlfriend
Lauren and yeah, again very hideous, highly sexualized things, and
it seemed as though it must be somebody who was
sweet for Owen, because yeah, it looked like the intention
(14:05):
of this unknown caller was to split them up.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
They asked their friends to help out also, which I
thought was interesting because Lauren and Owen would the friends
had kind of developed this thing where they're trying to
figure out who it was. They would say specific keywords
in front of specific people to see if those keywords
would show up in those text messages they could narrow
down who it was.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
And by the way, remember this is a very small town.
The population at that time I believe was like three
hundred plus people, so it is one of those unique
places where everybody does sort of know everybody. So to
imagine that you're in school and a fellow classmate that
you may have grown up with and known your whole
life is targeting you. Is really scary stuff. So, yeah,
(14:49):
the kids get involved and they're trying to almost lure
in this air quote stalker online, right.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
So obviously, because it rises to the level of a
Netflix documentary, there is a twist.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Twist might not be the right word.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
There is a surprise that comes along as they get
into this investigation. But the parents are involved, the principles involved,
the superintendent of schools are involved, the sheriff gets involved
in this investigation, and then they pull in the FBI,
and the FBI is able to do some of the
information forensics, the technology forensics that were unavailable to the
(15:28):
local cops. We'll talk about where that went when we
come back.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
We're talking today specifically about this new Netflix show called
Unknown Number A High School The high School Catfish is
the subtitle, if you will. And again, the two main
characters right now are are Lauren and Owen boyfriend girlfriend,
and they start receiving these messages that are target Lauren
(16:01):
more so using her nickname referring to things she wears
at school, stuff like the points that she would score
in a basketball game. Somebody knew very.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Close, it seemed like, or who was obsessed with her
and their relationship.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
It seemed so the parents, obviously, Lauren and Owen's parents
are concerned.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
They go to the school, they are involved.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
At one point, Owen basically turns his phone over to
his parents and they're going through and reading these messages
that are coming in, like you said, thirty forty fifty
times a day, and they're trying to read into them
whatever they can or suss out of them, any small
detail of the language, of the timing of anything. There
(16:45):
was even a point where the principal in the high
school was having Lauren text him whenever she would get
one of these random messages, these unknown messages, and he
would then go back and cross reference video surveillance from
inside the school to see who was on their phone
in those moments before the message was sent.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
And can you imagine again, both sets of parents are
now fully invested. Everybody in the town has invested. The
parents are now teaming up together, becoming buds to try
to solve this. And you could imagine for little Owen
having to hand his phone over to mom. You know,
that's a lot of trust in that. And again, these
messages were racy and x X. They're just they were
(17:29):
very sexual.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
So at one point I think I within the first
probably ten or fifteen minutes of this hour and a
half documentary, my wife said, just take.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
The phone away.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
I had that same thought, take the phone away. It's
like a loaded gun at this point, because it was
really affecting their mental health. The kids were really withdrawing.
You know, young Lauren was nervous and fearful and starting
to feel very badly about herself. She's being criticized again
and again and again and again and again by this
alleged online stalker. And again it starts to.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Take a toll. It took a toll on the relationship.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
They broke up because they couldn't do it, which I
could absolutely understand. And if you're a parent, you'd be
so frustrated by this because there's no answer to whatever
was going on.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Now.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
It got a little weird when Owen, after this had
been going on for a year and a half or
two years, he moved on and he actually got another
girlfriend or started dating a girl.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Better way to put it in some other town.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
But then that girlfriend in the other town, her mom
started getting messages from this unknown number exactly which were
basically like stay away from nohen, It's okay, Well, here
we go. Let's let's let's peel back to Curtin here
for just a second. Yeah, because this will be the
big spoiler alert. And again I apologize if anybody hasn't
(18:51):
seen it yet, it's still worth watching once I tell
you who did this. The FBI gets involved because the
local cops can't find the information that they need. They've
downloaded multiple phones. They're trying to find out who's who's
responsible for these unknown numbers, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
They've interviewed everybody in the school.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
When the FBI gets involved, they're able to backtrack some
of the phone numbers, which are generated by a random
number generator app which hides who you are. They trace
that back to a couple of Verizon IP addresses and
then cross reference basically everybody that's involved in this case
to come up with.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
The phone number of Lauren's mother.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
The mother, her actual mother, who has been on the
front lines of seeing her daughter in so much anguish
and the destruction that it was causing on both lives,
and by the way, is participating as a consoler, like
she's the one caring for her daughter, yet she's the
one sending these texts.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Donne came from within the house.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
The house, So when you see that, it's like, wait
a minute, the most explicit, X rated disgusting things that
this unknown number was saying about she was gonna do
with the boyfriend.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Hmmm, what was the girl's mom?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Was the creepy, disgusting mom. And by the way, just
to add to that, not only was it disgusting and
sexual in tone and just really graphic, it also told Lauren,
this young girl who was suffering to kill herself right
multiple times. So imagine you're a young girl. You're getting
hit after hit after hit after hit, you have a
(20:43):
flat butt, criticized for your looks, your boyfriend and you
break up because of this. You're being told to literally
commit suicide. Imagine that. And then it turns down it's
this wacka doo mom.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Okay, So that leads us into probably the last twenty
minutes or so of this documentary where you now know
that she's nuts, that mom is off or rocker, I
mean just gone and calm through all of it. It
raises a lot of questions right away, number one, And
you may have some experience with this, considering what you've
(21:14):
done in terms of production of behind the scenes on
some of documentaries like this is You didn't you think
back to the first hour of the show and you think,
why did this woman, knowing that she was going to
be unveiled as the perpetrator of this crime, Why would
she sit for these interviews?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Why in the world would she sit with these interviews.
So that's a great question, and it's unanswerable. I've never
been in a situation really when the perpetrator was also
featured alongside the victims, let alone a mother daughter combination.
I mean, this woman's obviously very unwell. There's this extraordinary
bodycm footage where you see police basically busting mom live
(21:58):
and then kind of telling the daughter, hey, look, we
know we figured out who did it. Surprised it's your mom,
and you know her daughter had such a blank, disassociated look,
and it was terrifying really, and she only ended up
doing eighteen years eighteen months mons. I think eighteen years
sounds better, honestly, Like, this is serious stuff and it's shocking,
(22:20):
and I felt like I wanted to know more, and
I felt like Mom should have been held at the
carpet a little bit more too. If you're going to
be in a documentary and talk about something so graphic,
at least to own up to it and tell me
where to go from here. She still seemed like she
was in full denial of it.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Yeah, that raised a lot of questions at the end
of at the eight mad, mad is a great way
to put it, especially as a parent. And by the way,
the husband, at least, or at least Lauren's father, he
was rightfully outraged by the actions of the mother and
(22:58):
was very I thought it was a very talent moment
where he's confronting her. He'd been called basically to pick
up Lauren because they're gonna take the mom to jail. Yeah,
and he basically said, you need to get out of
here now because if these cops leave, I don't know
what's gonna happen, and I'm gonna we're both gonna end
up in trouble.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
We're both gonna end up in jail, and can you imagine.
And again, she had been the consoler this entire time,
and by the way, there was also that family in
the town who had also been targeted because they started thinking, oh,
it must be this class of my Chloe, and Chloe
went through it, and Chloe's parents went through it, and
it just seems like an impossible one to believe. But
(23:36):
apparently they're calling this now Munchausen's online is sort of
this disorder or you know, thing that is basically a disease.
I guess that oftentimes caregivers I shouldn't say oftentimes, it's
actually very rare, thank goodness. But in this case, mom
(23:57):
is inflicting the pain onto her child and then receiving
the praise of being such a devoted hero Mom.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
We'll talk about that when we come back.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on Demand from KFI AM.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Six forty, continuing our True Crime Tuesday conversation about this
Netflix episode. Netflix documentary called Unknown Number the High School Catfish,
and again the reveal was mom was texting and cyber
bullying her own daughter and for years, for years, and
(24:36):
got so far as not just you know, talking about
her physical appearance or how whether her boyfriend liked her
or not. She went on to tell her own daughter
to kill herself now.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
And then would console her after and would console her afterwards.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
And when asked about that by the producers of the documentary,
they they kind of tiptoed around it. They didn't put
a lot of pressure on her, but basically said, how
did you know she wouldn't And Mom said, well, I've
you know, I've had conversations with her and I and
I thought, or she said, she was confident that that's
not where Lauren was.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
You know that she wouldn't ever hurt herself like that.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
And I thought, how could you possibly, as a parent,
come anywhere close to taking that gamble?
Speaker 2 (25:19):
What are you and why are we taking the word
of a woman who's clearly very off right? This is
an actual thing. She did something that I think is
downright criminal. I think eighteen months is a cake walk
that seems like a traffic you know, violation, compared to
telling her own daughter to harm herself kill herself at
that point. And by the way, Mom it seemed like
(25:42):
at least was also a little sweet on Owen, because
we later find out that Mom was like always going
to Owen's games, oh right, even when they were broken up.
She would still be the mom that showed up, can
you imagine? So how weird is that? So she was
sort of stalking and maybe sweet for this young boy,
So that's also disgusting and all obviously sending these horrible
(26:04):
things to her daughter. This is a very h This
is a very deranged woman, and I don't think she
should be free.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
The Munchausen by proxy syndrome or Munchausen syndrome by proxy
gypsy Rose Blanchard was probably one of the more current
or more recent examples of that, and she's had TV
shows and documentaries about that. Now they officially call Munchausen
syndrome by proxy. They call it a factitious disorder imposed
on another. This would obviously fall under a category, whether
(26:36):
it's that specifically or something like that, because again, she
was imposing this hardship on her daughter so that then
she could come in as the hero, as the consoler,
and get all the credit in the world for being
the one who helped champion the you know, the the
school board and the law enforcement to help find the
(26:59):
pulp perpetrate and all this.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
She makes best buds with the other parents of Owen
and is really again getting a lot of you know,
high fives for being so devoted. You know, you bring
up Gypsy Rose Blanchert famously, her mother Deti Blanchert, you know,
put her in a wheelchair, shaped her head, made her
undergo many many surgeries, and listen, you know Gypsy Rose
(27:22):
was living like a very sick little girl when in
fact she was perfectly healthy. Mom causing this and then
also mom being the hero six stuff. I just felt
like she should have been. I was screaming at the TV.
I was literally screaming at the TV. And we do
murder stuff all day. I feel like Kendra, mom got
(27:42):
a cake walk of a deal, and that little Lauren
deserves better and she should be locked away. And I
hope we're not glorifying her by giving her more of
a stage it was.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
You know, and then for her to fall back on
her own childhood trauma as one of the things save it.
And one of the other moms in the show, Oh
did say basically that she's like, I understand childhood trauma,
and I get why it could cause some conflict later
in life, but to somehow use that as an excuse,
an excuse for imposing this kind of hardship on your
(28:14):
own teenage daughter. Listen, being a teenage girl, I've never
been one, but I assume is probably already brutal.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
You don't need mom coming down on you from behind
the eight ball over.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
There, from behind the eight ball, trying to get sneaky
with your boyfriend. And also all the pictures she was
always around so much. She seems like she does, seems
plain off her rocker, and it bums me out because again,
I think eighteen months does not sound like enough time.
Even just based on what I saw in her interview,
it didn't seem like she had a ton of accountability.
(28:45):
She was still making excuses for herself. In fact, she
was like, oh what you guys, everybody does something illegal?
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Wait?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Is that the takeaway from the all the therapy that
you received in or eighteen months behind bars? I say
justice for Lauren and throw away the key on kindra oh.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
And band cell phones in schools period.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
The end, Perian, It's like everybody has FOMO. So I
would have been the worst as a teenager with a phone.
It would have, you know, honestly, probably been the death
of me. So like, I get it, but if everybody
doesn't have it, you know, at least there's no fomo.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Yeah, good point.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Stephanie Leidecker KATI Studios of course, one of the hosts
of True Crime Tonight. You can hear Tonight throughout the
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Speaker 3 (29:39):
Thank you so much for this. This has been so
much fun.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Thank you so much for having me, and yeah, please
tune in to True Crime Tonight. Have the best co hosts,
Courtney Armstrong and Body move in and it's a call
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as well. Eight eight eight three one crime.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Eight a three one crime.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Yes, got it?
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Is that what's tattooed on your wrist?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yeah? It's not to report a crime. No, I taed
to it on the front of my hands. It's not
to report a crime or to commit a crime, but
it is to just join the show.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Well again, thank you for that. It's been a great
great morning and early afternoon.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Well, thank you for having me. And love goes out
to Shannon's mom.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Absolutely, thank you. John Cobalt Show is coming up next,
so we'll see you tomorrow. Stay drive, everybody you've been
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