December 23, 2025 • 30 mins
On today’s Gary and Shannon Show, the team explores a startling true crime claim making waves online: a modern codebreaker believes he may have identified a single suspect responsible for both the Black Dahlia murder and the Zodiac killings. The investigation links cryptic codes, historical records, and long-overlooked details to suggest that two of America’s most infamous unsolved cases could be connected—and possibly solved.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to k
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
I don't know if I have thought of that.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
It could be green, or it could be red, or
it could be sparkling because.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
It's Christmas Eve, or silver or oh, I have a
lot of any of that. I don't think I have to.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
You have a crown.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I do not have a crown. Hmm. I'm gonna bring
my ugly sweater. Well, it's it's not it's a festive sweater.
I can't I don't have a festive sweat.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
You don't have a festive sweater. I can bring you
in a festive sweater. How does that sound?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I don't think that sounds great. I'm rolling in in pajamas.
You're Terry Richie. It's Wednesday. Yeah, it's okay, that's what
I mean.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Nobody wears pajamas like Richie does.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I do.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
He makes it look runway or street style. I'm going
to bring you in a festive sweater.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Are you looking at me?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
What if I just want to wear a sweatshirt?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
You want to be a grinch? You want to be
a ball humbug. I don't think you understand how Santa's
sleigh is powered. It is powered through Christmas spirit. And
if you are in here in a navy ass sweater,
that's not gonna make Rudolph want to fly.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Do we all want Rudolf to fly?
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah? Do we all have Christmas spirit? Yeah? Gary, I'm
not hearing you. I'm not hearing you. And you know
who else is in hearing you, Rudolph.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I okay, w I'm gonna need you to drum up
some Christmas mf and spirit.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Well, at some point it will probably hit me like
a brick. Don't forget. We are going to be giving
away four tickets to the Chargers Texans game that comes
up on Saturday. These are great, great seats, the VIP
club seats, food, drinks, premium parking. You can go to
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and then of course here that game Saturday on KFI
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am six forty bolt.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
How about a.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Quick Jeopardy question. Maybe you'll do the trick, don't you
think you know?
Speaker 6 (02:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Maybe this will get you Rudolph ready, right, Yeah, let's
hit the thing.
Speaker 7 (02:11):
All right, billboard top one hundred for six hundred dollars.
She had every reason to take a bow when work
became her fourteenth career number one.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
And you're not going to get it. I'm sorry to
do this to you. I thought you were going to
get it. And then the Christmas spirit thing would happen
and Rudolph would be happy and the slave would lift.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Is it Britney Spears?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
No, it's Ryanna. I know you were thinking you better
work that one. That's the one.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Okay, that's not what I was thinking about.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
And then I was thinking you'd hear take a bow
and think Madonna because you're old, like Elmer told us earlier.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah, no you're not. I'm sorry. No, No, I get it,
I get it.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
What else is going on?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Time for what's happening?
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (02:59):
Em?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
The powerball jackpot is up to one point seven billion
for the Christmas Eve drawing, and that means everyone's gonna
be going out in the rain to their liquor store
and they're gonna say, how do you say hello and Russian?
I forget Dolstayevsky, Sure and uh and collect that ticket?
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Dah the da nay and da by Russian because uh,
liquor stores. Is that is that racist? No?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Okay, but okay.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
The numbers from Mondays drawing were three, eighteen, thirty six,
forty one, and fifty four. Powerball was seven. Those are
good numbers too. Nobody had them. Nobody had them.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Do you have set.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Numbers you play if you were to buy a lot
of ticket? Nope, birthdays or something or nope.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
No, never did.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Southern California in for a huge round of rainfall that's
coming in strong winds, major snow over the Christmas holiday,
major snow if you're high enough, that is, this pineapple
parade that's about to happen has the potential to raise
dangerous associated with flash flooding. We do already know of
some evacuation orders that have been posted for some of
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the burn areas the Palisades Burned Scar, including the Palisades
parts of Tapanga, Malibuu and Mandeville Canyon, the Eton Burn Scar,
and Altadena and areas in the Hurst and Sunset fire
burn zones as well. Meanwhile, across the South, have you
seen this? So we're going to be del huged, yes, douched, doused,
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whatever term you want to use with full four five, six,
seven inches of rain.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Liquid rain, you you said earlier.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Well, in liquid water, right, I'm sorry you used liquid
apposed to solid water, which is ice or snow or
something like that. That's what I was trying to.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Say, Is that what you were trying to say. Yes,
that's a freaking lie.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Okay, it's okay.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
We can be redundant. But let's just own carry grant. Okay,
just carry grant. That's all it's all to say, is
Kerry gray.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Meanwhile, across the South, it's gonna be eighty plus degrees
in eastern Texas on Christmas Day. That's crazy eighty plus
in Some of those are at a time to be alive.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
An LA model accused of meeting men online and burglarizing
their home faces several charges. As you know, she would
use dating apps, develop friendships. She'd pretending she was your girlfriend.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
She'd get into your house and rob and steel wealthy
old from wealthy older men. Guys, if it seems too
good to be true, it usually is. You've got a
twenty eight year old model with legs that go from
here to heaven, and you're like, why is she interested
in me?
Speaker 2 (05:42):
She's probably there to rob you, And you think she's
your backup plan. You've failed? Right?
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Did we get responses on that?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeap?
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Are we gonna do that when we come back?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Is it sad some of them? Okay, all right, I'll
get ready.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Some people didn't quite understand the assignment. Oh oh well,
So the story is that one in six Americans say
that if somebody else showed romantic interest in them, they
would dump their current partner and go with them. That's awful.
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That's what they refer to as their backup plan.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
See to me, when you say backup plan, it's like
things fall through with my wife or my wife leaves me.
I got old Sheila over there from you know el
MONI class in nineteen seventy six, who still reaches out
on Facebook now and again Sheila and make a good wife.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
She was a good girlfriend back in seventy six.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah. Most people don't admit it out loud, but a
surprising number of them apparently are keeping their options open.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah, you can leave us a talkback message and tell
us what your backup plan is. Even if you are
with somebody, is there somebody like come and crawling out
of the woodwork, hits you up on Facebook and is
like I've never stopped thinking about you. Oh my god,
just dump whatever you're working.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
And it's Christmas time, and because on Christmas time you
share your feelings and you're honest. Do you remember el
Monni nineteen seventy six. Hey, maybe you're Shila. Let us know.
Maybe you're a backup plan. Maybe you know you're the
backup plan.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
And all you gotta do is pull that trigger.
Speaker 8 (07:20):
You know.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Oh man, that's crazy, don't do it. Or on the holidays, you're.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Do you feel that Richie just handed us a hot
stick a true crime?
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Oh, it's fresh off the printer.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Bottom of the hour, Gary and Shannon KFI AM six
forty live everywhere in the IHEA Radio app. Hey, I
got an idea. Let's get something away, dude.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
The first gave us a true crime story that is
one hundred and twenty five pages.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
We better talk fast, I need the cliff notes. The
first four callers call one, two, three, and four are
going to win gift cards to BJ's Restaurant and brewe
house our friends at BJ's kicking off the holidays. One
eight hundred five two zero, one, five, three four, eight
hundred five to oh one kfi. Again, the first four
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callers are going to win gift cards to BJ's restaurant
and brewhouse. Now, we were talking earlier about this study
that suggested that one in six people currently in relationships
admit there is someone that they'd leave their current partner
for if that person showed romantic interests. They referred to
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them as a backup person in this article. They said
there is someone else in their life that they would
actually leave their current partner for if that person showed
romantic interest. And the question of whether there are soulmates
in this world? Do you believe in it? Hey Gary,
Hey Shan, Happy holidays.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
Yeah, the whole soulmate thing, you know what I mean,
Let's face it, we're cave people.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
We are cave people. We are cake baby, and a
lot of people will just put it anywhere they can.
Speaker 9 (09:04):
Hey Gary, Shannon. And I've been honest with my partner
and she knows this, but I have two backup plans actually,
Jenny A and Jennifer Ansen. My Jenny has I've been
enamored with her for you know, forever, so and she's
had some heartbreak. I feel like I could help her heal.
So if she showed interest, I'd be there either at
Jlo man. Jlo was and she's had ups and downs
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in different different animal but my Jenny's not either one
of them show interest. I mean, my partner knows this.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
He saunds like, sounds like he sounds like he thinks
there's a chance. Well, that's the like that's on the
table potentially. Well, and you mentioned and I love swinging
for the fences.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
What did you mention earlier? Claudia Schiffer right timely that
that is what I commonly referred to as a mulligan,
even though it's out of context, not the same as
a golf mulligan. But in the event that you had
a shot at that person and your spouse would give
you a mulligan and allow you to make an absolute
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fool out of yourself, that sounds like what that would be.
Because I don't think Jennifer Aniston knows him, and I'm
not sure j Lo returns his calls.
Speaker 8 (10:18):
So hey, Gary and Shannon, my backup plan is this
guy at the gym. He has the fattest ass. He's
this tall, beautiful Latino man, and he I think he
may be the most beautiful man I've ever seen. I'm
five ft ten, he's like six foot two, beautiful body.
Like I just fantasize and objectify that man so much,
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like he has no idea, So he would definitely be
my backup plan.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Okay, now that's more like I think.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I think we shoot our shot there, he should shoot
his shot.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Right, Yeah, there's so much passion in though.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
I mean, I think every guy wants to be objectified,
am I right?
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (10:56):
Yes, yes, yes, good morning Gary and shape and it
is raining down here in San Diego. My backup person, well,
first of all, I'm fifty. My backup person is my
college girlfriend. Oh thanks, have a good day, stayed right.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Yeah, I need more information now that see, that's what
I was thinking.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
That's the scenario.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
That's the scenario that I have in my head. When
you say backup person, it's like somebody that you know
that is maybe single or you had a thing with
in college or whatever.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
So I mean, we could write that story where he
still likes her, you know, whatever happened between whatever happens
between them may have been an amicable breakoup. Well, sure,
I'm going back east for work and my family's here
and there. You know it's not going to work out.
So we've had fun and we'll see it down the road.
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There's that or she broke up with him and he
never got over her and he's just waiting for her.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
She doesn't sound like that guy, though, that's true. He
sounds pretty level. Not that the guy who said he
is shot with Jayla wasn't. But it's different.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
Yeah, I'm gonna be honest. I don't have a relationship
backup plan. I don't want to get married to someone
just because I'm lonely. My backup plan is to go
to Bilbo Baggin's route, be that eccentric rich uncle that
goes on weird adventures and comes back and shares treasures
and tells stories of my nieces and nephew wonderful and
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maybe take care of my nephew and his parents.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Have a voting accident or something.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Oh yeah, that took a dark turn, very specific dark
turn in.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
A voting accident on a specific lake that I have
already chosen.
Speaker 8 (12:43):
Why am I legitimately at work currently going on lunch?
Speaker 3 (12:49):
And who is it?
Speaker 6 (12:52):
Shannon saying, class.
Speaker 7 (12:55):
Of seventy six and Almaty man I work in Almaty.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Man, this is wild.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
You're reading his mind.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
Get out of.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
My backup plan is the lottery. That lottery shows me
some love and I win it. I am man free
for the rest of my go happy. She sounds.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
That's what women sound like when they think about backup plans.
They think about silence and alone and your own money
and to do whatever the hell you want. No one's
in your house, no one's breathing in your house.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
You already underwear on the floor, so none of it.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
It is perfection. That is a backup plan. That would
be silence.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
What are you pointing to this?
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Do you want to see? We dip into that and
see what Karen Bass.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Is going to tell you. No, you don't want to.
Oh fine, we're going up against a break. We got
to go to the break. We'll come back and see
what she's saying. The mayor is holding a news conference
about the rain.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
It's going to rain today what she's saying, But she's
saying it a lot longer than what we just said.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Yeah, you're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Big Christmas storm is coming in this evening. Gradually intensifying.
We should see the heaviest rainfall from tonight into tomorrow.
The city of la has opened up its emergency Operations
center effect. They did so yesterday. A floodwatch is going
to be in effect four o'clock this afternoon through at
least ten o'clock tomorrow night. Also, significant winds are supposed
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to be coming through tonight into tomorrow, some evacuation warnings,
especially for those areas in the burn scars. Meanwhile, as
I mentioned, the weather in the South is going to
be beautiful. Christmas in the South will be probably in
the eighties in many places.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
So you can't go there, you know that, right, Mike,
you're kind of saying it like maybe you might like
to escape to the South on your own for a
little Christmas.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
My daughters here, I could go to her apartment and
wake No. I know, I know you're seriously thinking about
eighty four degrees. Done a weather forecast for the South
about four times today. It's of no consequence to anybody here,
but it's clear that you're thinking, like, ah, no one
in that apartment. It sounds like this sounds of silence
Southwest fly. Hey, maybe there's some maintenance that I got
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to do in that apartment. Maybe I want to be
a good dad and check the plumbing and that be
a good dad, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Well, I'm just thinking if you're thinking about reasons to
go to the apartment, yeah, take a while to form like, oh,
I could be a good dad and check out the plumbing,
check out, make sure everything's up to snuff for my
little princess.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
It's a brand new apartment building.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
I know. That's why it's a hard thing for you
to rationalize.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
I'm even having a hard time convincing myself now because
I thought I was going to go, but I guess now.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
See, you're gonna be with your family, and it is
a gift and a blessing that you get your in
laws for a week and you get your children and
your wife, and it's going to be wonderful.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
It's going to be wonderful.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
It is Christmas.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
You'll look back and you'll look back fondly on this Christmas.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
I sure will.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
You know, after your.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Wife leaves you and the kid's side with her, and
you're alone and living in a studio apartment in Resita,
you'll be like, twenty twenty five, I really had it
I had everything.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
I live here in Burbank. No, I got to live
in Rosita, Yes, okay, Well, Powerball jackpot tomorrow, I live
here in Verbank. Up around one point seven billion dollars
probably go up from that. There's not been a jackpot
winner in power Ball since the beginning of September, so
next drawing tomorrow night expected to be the fourth largest
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powerball jackpot in the history of jackpots.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
It's a really loud jacket. I'm sorry for wearing such
a loud jacket today.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Nothing wrong with that. It's a celebratory I celebrate that jacket.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Shiny and loud.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Why where you're now acknowledging that it's gotten to be
too much for me? Even you three hours in you're like,
my eyes are hurting. It's time for True Crime Tuesday.
The story is true, sounds true? No, it sounds made up.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Parry and Shannon present Crime. Well, listen, over the course
of the years that we've been doing true crime, we
talked about the Black Dahlia. Yeah, we've also talked about
the Zodiac Killer.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Well that's specifically because your dad. There was a while
there where they thought your dad may have been the
Zodiac killer.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
No, no, no, my dad knew a guy tangentially who
had been questioned about some of Oh, I get that
mixed up my dad, Right, that's a better story. Though,
that's a better story. I mean, where is he now?
He's not answering questions. No, but in this case, okay,
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just as a as a revisit, I guess you could say.
Elizabeth Short became known as the Black Dahalia. She had
been killed and brutally mutilated, but also with some surgical precision,
and one of the things that confused people about her
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murder back in nineteen forty seven was why would somebody
do this? And who had the knowledge, the medical knowledge
to do what they did to the body. Fast forward
a couple of decades in the late sixties early seventies,
and there were five seemingly random murders in the San
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Francisco Bay area and a killer who called himself the
Zodiac terrorized the Bay area with those murders and taunting
police for years with letters and cryptograms and puzzles, and
supposedly confessing via code that he was the Zodiac. In fact,
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there was one that even included this guy's name, supposedly
well when police questioned all of the people after Elizabeth
Short was first murdered back in nineteen forty seven, one
of the people that they questioned was a twenty one
year old guy named Marvin Margolis, twenty one year old
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pre med student at USC actually already at twenty one,
a veteran of World War II. They said, was shell shocked,
which would now probably translate to PTSD, and he had
expressed an eagerness to practice surgery. One of the military
psychiatrists actually wrote a report about Marvin and said he
was a resentful individual who shows ample evidence of open aggression.
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And Marvin lied when they questioned him about the Black
Dahlia murder. He didn't tell detectives that he had actually
lived with Elizabeth Short for a couple of weeks at
an apartment on Hollywood Boulevard, about three months before she
was killed.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
It is odd, though, that there is new evidence connecting
the killers, the Black Dahlia Killer and the Zodiac Killer,
because on its their face, there is a connection in
that the Zodiac murders were done usually with a couples
in car off lover's lanes and things like that. One
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of the little known things about the Black Dahlia murder
also off a popular lover's.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Lane in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
So y that in common, but the fact that there
were two decades in between the murders from forty seven
to sixty eight sixty seven sixty eight is curious because
usually killers, they're usually done killing twenty years after a
crime like the Black or if they're not done killing,
they don't go quiet for twenty years.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Well, there is a guy who claims that he has
not only solved the Black Dahlia murder but also the
Zodiac killings and suggests that it's the same guy. We'll
explain how he did this when we come back. Also,
we'll tell you how you can win those tickets.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Let's just see that right now.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
You're going to do that right now. Color number six,
Oh okay, eight hundred five to zero one five three four.
Color number six is going to pick up four tickets
to the Chargers versus the Texans coming up on Saturday,
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of course, all inclusive food and drinks, premium parking. If
you don't win, you can still get your Chargers tickets
at Chargers dot com slash tickets and hear that game Saturday.
Right here on KFI.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six four.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
What's wrong with you? You just went nonverbal? I did
just We just met a new friend Antonio. Yeah, and Gerald.
He doesn't listen yet, but he's gonna star.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
He's gonna love it, absolutely gonna love it. Tomorrow, by
the way, right about this time, we'll be celebrating yet
another wrapped show. Yeah, yeah, because we're gonna do a
Christmas Carol tomorrow. New cast members, some new people coming in,
new characters, rewrote a bunch of it.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
We've got stars all over this play. We've got Deborah Mark,
We've got Amy King, We've got Michael Monks. I mean, really,
Heather Brooker, Heather Brooker's daughter Channing. I mean, this is
like an ensemble what they call it?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Ensemble?
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Ensemble cast and or do you just say ensemble?
Speaker 2 (22:50):
I drop off the ball?
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Does anybody do that? Am I making it up?
Speaker 2 (22:54):
I'm sure somebody does. I've heard it before.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
You have you heard that?
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I'm trying to sound like I'm in the business. I
am well adjacent, yespionag Tomorrow is when we're going to do.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
I surround myself with thespians. Elmer, you were not in
the show last year.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
I don't I think it. Maybe I know, Elmer, I
was here and you weren't in the show.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Just c wait, I didn't remember doing the show last year.
Yeah we did.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Did we? I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
I know I replayed it. They replayed it from me.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
We did a show because Michael Monks complained about it.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Right, but we didn't do it live.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
You might be right. You might You might be right,
and would explained some of the time differences.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
You may be right. I may be.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
It's coming back and it's live and we're gonna love it.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
It's going to be I don't remember it ever being
this big when it comes to you know, I'm serious,
when it comes down to people wanting to be involved,
people coming to be in the play when they're not
even working.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
We're gonna have to start auctioning off rolls next time.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
It's a it's a big deal. Well, I mean, we
really do have the creme de la creme this this
There were years when we were bringing in people. I
didn't even know worked here for roles. It was nobody
believed in the project.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Now the project has grown so big and it's it's
achieved such publicity and such great heights that the biggest
stars want to be in it. And that's something to
be said for your play and your screenwriting.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
That it really had.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
You've arrived with the gas Christmas, Carol, Are you trying
to talk yourself out of a part you don't want
to do?
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Scrooge the best you have?
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Compliment?
Speaker 2 (24:34):
I see a compliment.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
You need to learn to accept the call in the
new year? Can maybe that be your Neares's resolution?
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Thank you, We'll work. This is gonna be awesome. Gay
True Crime Tuesday, we're talking about this this guy who
claims that he may have cracked not only the Black
Dollia case but also the Zodiac killings and pins them
on the same guy. Marvin Mark Golis was a guy
who lived with at one point Elizabeth Short. She was
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the twenty two year old who died in January of
nineteen forty seven. The Black Dahlia murder, also the Zodiac
killings that came around in northern California is sixty seven
sixty eight sixty nine, which included the several messages and
codes and ciphers, cryptograms, et cetera, taunting police and media.
(25:25):
Alex Baber is a fifty year old guy out of
West Virginia. You dropped out of high school, taught himself
code breaking and says he cracked the Zodiac killer's identity
and in the process says he solved Black Dahlia as well. Now,
he's never been a cop, not a private investigator anything
(25:46):
like that. A bunch of people say he's probably too
cocky about what he does. He claims that he was
diagnosed with autism at the age of twelve and that
caused some problems back then. He said, he endured beatings
at school, a rough childhood in rural Florida, skipped college,
and like I said, taught himself code breaking, cryptography, forensics,
(26:07):
and computer science and runs a company called Cold Case Consultants.
And he's devoted himself, he says, day and night, to
providing or proving this connection between arguably two of the
craziest cases we've ever seen in California obviously, but also
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potentially throughout the country. And he became interested when he
saw the film Zodiac The David Fincher film from twenty
years ago, that's a great movie. And he learned that
the Z thirteen cipher is regarded as the holy grail
of Zodiac studies. This is a thirteen character string of
letters and symbols that appears in a letter to the
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San Francisco Chronicle from the Zodiac back in April of
nineteen seventy and it starts with the words my name
is and then a teen character string of letters and symbols.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
The name hidden in the cipher was Marvin Merrill, an
alias used by Marvin Margolis, the same guy who lived
near Elizabeth Short with her with Elizabeth.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Short and Marvin Merrill being Marvin Margolis's alibi or alias sorry.
It was the name that he lived under while he
was living in Santa Barbara, and he lived there until
the early nineties. He actually passed away from from cancer.
(27:36):
And what this guy now says is Margolis is responsible
for both the Short murder and the five murders that
have been attributed to the Zodiac. They said that he
left this whole bunch of hidden clues in both cases
and among the links, by the way, was a sketch
in nineteen ninety two. He died a year later, but
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a sketch in nineteen ninety two of a woman that
carries the Namelizabeth in plane riding. You can see that,
but the name Zodiac hidden in different shaded areas, which
you can see with filters. Now. One of the homicide
detectives both at the LAPD and the San Mateo County
Sheriff's Office, a guy named Rick Jackson, says, in my opinion,
(28:18):
these are solved cases. There are too many links with
both of them. Wow, there's overwhelming, circumstantial evidence. And he
left breadcrumbs all along. Earlier this year, this guy who
cracks the code said, he presented Rick Jackson with his
conclusions and even though he was skeptical at first, he
was intrigued. And he said he tried hard but couldn't
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punch any holes in this guy's theory. So maybe it took.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
It's the two biggest, you know, arguably.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Well, like you said, I think the only thing that
that would make it sound not plausible is that twenty
year break serial killer. Don't do that. I mean, granted,
if it's if Elizabeth Short was the only kill, if
she was the only murder, that doesn't make a serial killer.
But then what happened in those ensuing twenty years before
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the murders started up in northern California.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
So it was not your dad.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
No, okay, no, no, I don't no, no, pretty no,
right can be? I mean I met my dad right,
and he didn't just didn't have the personality quiet quiet,
pretty quiet, jolly family man.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Yeah, happy serial killers never lived double lives.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
No, he didn't really do much. No, but I see
you tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
He grew delicious bell peppers. Yes, they were fantastic serial killers.
Don't do that. Nah, they don't care for foots, have vegetables.
What are you a detective now? Yes?
Speaker 2 (29:56):
The John Cobalt shoe Lou Penrose in for Johnson. We'll
see you tomorrow on Christmas. E I stayed dry. Everybody,
you've been listening to The Gary and Shannon Show, you
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
I don't know if I have thought of that.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
It could be green, or it could be red, or
it could be sparkling because.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
It's Christmas Eve, or silver or oh, I have a
lot of any of that. I don't think I have to.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
You have a crown.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I do not have a crown. Hmm. I'm gonna bring
my ugly sweater. Well, it's it's not it's a festive sweater.
I can't I don't have a festive sweat.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
You don't have a festive sweater. I can bring you
in a festive sweater. How does that sound?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I don't think that sounds great. I'm rolling in in pajamas.
You're Terry Richie. It's Wednesday. Yeah, it's okay, that's what
I mean.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Nobody wears pajamas like Richie does.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I do.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
He makes it look runway or street style. I'm going
to bring you in a festive sweater.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Are you looking at me?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
What if I just want to wear a sweatshirt?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
You want to be a grinch? You want to be
a ball humbug. I don't think you understand how Santa's
sleigh is powered. It is powered through Christmas spirit. And
if you are in here in a navy ass sweater,
that's not gonna make Rudolph want to fly.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Do we all want Rudolf to fly?
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah? Do we all have Christmas spirit? Yeah? Gary, I'm
not hearing you. I'm not hearing you. And you know
who else is in hearing you, Rudolph.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I okay, w I'm gonna need you to drum up
some Christmas mf and spirit.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Well, at some point it will probably hit me like
a brick. Don't forget. We are going to be giving
away four tickets to the Chargers Texans game that comes
up on Saturday. These are great, great seats, the VIP
club seats, food, drinks, premium parking. You can go to
Chargers dot com slash tickets and get your own tickets
and then of course here that game Saturday on KFI
(01:58):
am six forty bolt.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
How about a.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Quick Jeopardy question. Maybe you'll do the trick, don't you
think you know?
Speaker 6 (02:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Maybe this will get you Rudolph ready, right, Yeah, let's
hit the thing.
Speaker 7 (02:11):
All right, billboard top one hundred for six hundred dollars.
She had every reason to take a bow when work
became her fourteenth career number one.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
And you're not going to get it. I'm sorry to
do this to you. I thought you were going to
get it. And then the Christmas spirit thing would happen
and Rudolph would be happy and the slave would lift.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Is it Britney Spears?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
No, it's Ryanna. I know you were thinking you better
work that one. That's the one.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Okay, that's not what I was thinking about.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
And then I was thinking you'd hear take a bow
and think Madonna because you're old, like Elmer told us earlier.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah, no you're not. I'm sorry. No, No, I get it,
I get it.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
What else is going on?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Time for what's happening?
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (02:59):
Em?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
The powerball jackpot is up to one point seven billion
for the Christmas Eve drawing, and that means everyone's gonna
be going out in the rain to their liquor store
and they're gonna say, how do you say hello and Russian?
I forget Dolstayevsky, Sure and uh and collect that ticket?
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Dah the da nay and da by Russian because uh,
liquor stores. Is that is that racist? No?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Okay, but okay.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
The numbers from Mondays drawing were three, eighteen, thirty six,
forty one, and fifty four. Powerball was seven. Those are
good numbers too. Nobody had them. Nobody had them.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Do you have set.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Numbers you play if you were to buy a lot
of ticket? Nope, birthdays or something or nope.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
No, never did.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Southern California in for a huge round of rainfall that's
coming in strong winds, major snow over the Christmas holiday,
major snow if you're high enough, that is, this pineapple
parade that's about to happen has the potential to raise
dangerous associated with flash flooding. We do already know of
some evacuation orders that have been posted for some of
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the burn areas the Palisades Burned Scar, including the Palisades
parts of Tapanga, Malibuu and Mandeville Canyon, the Eton Burn Scar,
and Altadena and areas in the Hurst and Sunset fire
burn zones as well. Meanwhile, across the South, have you
seen this? So we're going to be del huged, yes, douched, doused,
(04:34):
whatever term you want to use with full four five, six,
seven inches of rain.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Liquid rain, you you said earlier.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Well, in liquid water, right, I'm sorry you used liquid
apposed to solid water, which is ice or snow or
something like that. That's what I was trying to.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Say, Is that what you were trying to say. Yes,
that's a freaking lie.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Okay, it's okay.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
We can be redundant. But let's just own carry grant. Okay,
just carry grant. That's all it's all to say, is
Kerry gray.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Meanwhile, across the South, it's gonna be eighty plus degrees
in eastern Texas on Christmas Day. That's crazy eighty plus
in Some of those are at a time to be alive.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
An LA model accused of meeting men online and burglarizing
their home faces several charges. As you know, she would
use dating apps, develop friendships. She'd pretending she was your girlfriend.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
She'd get into your house and rob and steel wealthy
old from wealthy older men. Guys, if it seems too
good to be true, it usually is. You've got a
twenty eight year old model with legs that go from
here to heaven, and you're like, why is she interested
in me?
Speaker 2 (05:42):
She's probably there to rob you, And you think she's
your backup plan. You've failed? Right?
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Did we get responses on that?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeap?
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Are we gonna do that when we come back?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Is it sad some of them? Okay, all right, I'll
get ready.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Some people didn't quite understand the assignment. Oh oh well,
So the story is that one in six Americans say
that if somebody else showed romantic interest in them, they
would dump their current partner and go with them. That's awful.
(06:19):
That's what they refer to as their backup plan.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
See to me, when you say backup plan, it's like
things fall through with my wife or my wife leaves me.
I got old Sheila over there from you know el
MONI class in nineteen seventy six, who still reaches out
on Facebook now and again Sheila and make a good wife.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
She was a good girlfriend back in seventy six.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah. Most people don't admit it out loud, but a
surprising number of them apparently are keeping their options open.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah, you can leave us a talkback message and tell
us what your backup plan is. Even if you are
with somebody, is there somebody like come and crawling out
of the woodwork, hits you up on Facebook and is
like I've never stopped thinking about you. Oh my god,
just dump whatever you're working.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
And it's Christmas time, and because on Christmas time you
share your feelings and you're honest. Do you remember el
Monni nineteen seventy six. Hey, maybe you're Shila. Let us know.
Maybe you're a backup plan. Maybe you know you're the
backup plan.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
And all you gotta do is pull that trigger.
Speaker 8 (07:20):
You know.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Oh man, that's crazy, don't do it. Or on the holidays, you're.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Do you feel that Richie just handed us a hot
stick a true crime?
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Oh, it's fresh off the printer.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Bottom of the hour, Gary and Shannon KFI AM six
forty live everywhere in the IHEA Radio app. Hey, I
got an idea. Let's get something away, dude.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
The first gave us a true crime story that is
one hundred and twenty five pages.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
We better talk fast, I need the cliff notes. The
first four callers call one, two, three, and four are
going to win gift cards to BJ's Restaurant and brewe
house our friends at BJ's kicking off the holidays. One
eight hundred five two zero, one, five, three four, eight
hundred five to oh one kfi. Again, the first four
(08:15):
callers are going to win gift cards to BJ's restaurant
and brewhouse. Now, we were talking earlier about this study
that suggested that one in six people currently in relationships
admit there is someone that they'd leave their current partner
for if that person showed romantic interests. They referred to
(08:35):
them as a backup person in this article. They said
there is someone else in their life that they would
actually leave their current partner for if that person showed
romantic interest. And the question of whether there are soulmates
in this world? Do you believe in it? Hey Gary,
Hey Shan, Happy holidays.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
Yeah, the whole soulmate thing, you know what I mean,
Let's face it, we're cave people.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
We are cave people. We are cake baby, and a
lot of people will just put it anywhere they can.
Speaker 9 (09:04):
Hey Gary, Shannon. And I've been honest with my partner
and she knows this, but I have two backup plans actually,
Jenny A and Jennifer Ansen. My Jenny has I've been
enamored with her for you know, forever, so and she's
had some heartbreak. I feel like I could help her heal.
So if she showed interest, I'd be there either at
Jlo man. Jlo was and she's had ups and downs
(09:26):
in different different animal but my Jenny's not either one
of them show interest. I mean, my partner knows this.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
He saunds like, sounds like he sounds like he thinks
there's a chance. Well, that's the like that's on the
table potentially. Well, and you mentioned and I love swinging
for the fences.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
What did you mention earlier? Claudia Schiffer right timely that
that is what I commonly referred to as a mulligan,
even though it's out of context, not the same as
a golf mulligan. But in the event that you had
a shot at that person and your spouse would give
you a mulligan and allow you to make an absolute
(10:06):
fool out of yourself, that sounds like what that would be.
Because I don't think Jennifer Aniston knows him, and I'm
not sure j Lo returns his calls.
Speaker 8 (10:18):
So hey, Gary and Shannon, my backup plan is this
guy at the gym. He has the fattest ass. He's
this tall, beautiful Latino man, and he I think he
may be the most beautiful man I've ever seen. I'm
five ft ten, he's like six foot two, beautiful body.
Like I just fantasize and objectify that man so much,
(10:40):
like he has no idea, So he would definitely be
my backup plan.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Okay, now that's more like I think.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I think we shoot our shot there, he should shoot
his shot.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Right, Yeah, there's so much passion in though.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
I mean, I think every guy wants to be objectified,
am I right?
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (10:56):
Yes, yes, yes, good morning Gary and shape and it
is raining down here in San Diego. My backup person, well,
first of all, I'm fifty. My backup person is my
college girlfriend. Oh thanks, have a good day, stayed right.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Yeah, I need more information now that see, that's what
I was thinking.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
That's the scenario.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
That's the scenario that I have in my head. When
you say backup person, it's like somebody that you know
that is maybe single or you had a thing with
in college or whatever.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
So I mean, we could write that story where he
still likes her, you know, whatever happened between whatever happens
between them may have been an amicable breakoup. Well, sure,
I'm going back east for work and my family's here
and there. You know it's not going to work out.
So we've had fun and we'll see it down the road.
(11:48):
There's that or she broke up with him and he
never got over her and he's just waiting for her.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
She doesn't sound like that guy, though, that's true. He
sounds pretty level. Not that the guy who said he
is shot with Jayla wasn't. But it's different.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
Yeah, I'm gonna be honest. I don't have a relationship
backup plan. I don't want to get married to someone
just because I'm lonely. My backup plan is to go
to Bilbo Baggin's route, be that eccentric rich uncle that
goes on weird adventures and comes back and shares treasures
and tells stories of my nieces and nephew wonderful and
(12:29):
maybe take care of my nephew and his parents.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Have a voting accident or something.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Oh yeah, that took a dark turn, very specific dark
turn in.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
A voting accident on a specific lake that I have
already chosen.
Speaker 8 (12:43):
Why am I legitimately at work currently going on lunch?
Speaker 3 (12:49):
And who is it?
Speaker 6 (12:52):
Shannon saying, class.
Speaker 7 (12:55):
Of seventy six and Almaty man I work in Almaty.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Man, this is wild.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
You're reading his mind.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
Get out of.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
My backup plan is the lottery. That lottery shows me
some love and I win it. I am man free
for the rest of my go happy. She sounds.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
That's what women sound like when they think about backup plans.
They think about silence and alone and your own money
and to do whatever the hell you want. No one's
in your house, no one's breathing in your house.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
You already underwear on the floor, so none of it.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
It is perfection. That is a backup plan. That would
be silence.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
What are you pointing to this?
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Do you want to see? We dip into that and
see what Karen Bass.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Is going to tell you. No, you don't want to.
Oh fine, we're going up against a break. We got
to go to the break. We'll come back and see
what she's saying. The mayor is holding a news conference
about the rain.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
It's going to rain today what she's saying, But she's
saying it a lot longer than what we just said.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Yeah, you're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Big Christmas storm is coming in this evening. Gradually intensifying.
We should see the heaviest rainfall from tonight into tomorrow.
The city of la has opened up its emergency Operations
center effect. They did so yesterday. A floodwatch is going
to be in effect four o'clock this afternoon through at
least ten o'clock tomorrow night. Also, significant winds are supposed
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to be coming through tonight into tomorrow, some evacuation warnings,
especially for those areas in the burn scars. Meanwhile, as
I mentioned, the weather in the South is going to
be beautiful. Christmas in the South will be probably in
the eighties in many places.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
So you can't go there, you know that, right, Mike,
you're kind of saying it like maybe you might like
to escape to the South on your own for a
little Christmas.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
My daughters here, I could go to her apartment and
wake No. I know, I know you're seriously thinking about
eighty four degrees. Done a weather forecast for the South
about four times today. It's of no consequence to anybody here,
but it's clear that you're thinking, like, ah, no one
in that apartment. It sounds like this sounds of silence
Southwest fly. Hey, maybe there's some maintenance that I got
(15:19):
to do in that apartment. Maybe I want to be
a good dad and check the plumbing and that be
a good dad, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Well, I'm just thinking if you're thinking about reasons to
go to the apartment, yeah, take a while to form like, oh,
I could be a good dad and check out the plumbing,
check out, make sure everything's up to snuff for my
little princess.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
It's a brand new apartment building.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
I know. That's why it's a hard thing for you
to rationalize.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
I'm even having a hard time convincing myself now because
I thought I was going to go, but I guess now.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
See, you're gonna be with your family, and it is
a gift and a blessing that you get your in
laws for a week and you get your children and
your wife, and it's going to be wonderful.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
It's going to be wonderful.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
It is Christmas.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
You'll look back and you'll look back fondly on this Christmas.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
I sure will.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
You know, after your.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Wife leaves you and the kid's side with her, and
you're alone and living in a studio apartment in Resita,
you'll be like, twenty twenty five, I really had it
I had everything.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
I live here in Burbank. No, I got to live
in Rosita, Yes, okay, Well, Powerball jackpot tomorrow, I live
here in Verbank. Up around one point seven billion dollars
probably go up from that. There's not been a jackpot
winner in power Ball since the beginning of September, so
next drawing tomorrow night expected to be the fourth largest
(16:47):
powerball jackpot in the history of jackpots.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
It's a really loud jacket. I'm sorry for wearing such
a loud jacket today.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Nothing wrong with that. It's a celebratory I celebrate that jacket.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Shiny and loud.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Why where you're now acknowledging that it's gotten to be
too much for me? Even you three hours in you're like,
my eyes are hurting. It's time for True Crime Tuesday.
The story is true, sounds true? No, it sounds made up.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Parry and Shannon present Crime. Well, listen, over the course
of the years that we've been doing true crime, we
talked about the Black Dahlia. Yeah, we've also talked about
the Zodiac Killer.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Well that's specifically because your dad. There was a while
there where they thought your dad may have been the
Zodiac killer.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
No, no, no, my dad knew a guy tangentially who
had been questioned about some of Oh, I get that
mixed up my dad, Right, that's a better story. Though,
that's a better story. I mean, where is he now?
He's not answering questions. No, but in this case, okay,
(18:04):
just as a as a revisit, I guess you could say.
Elizabeth Short became known as the Black Dahalia. She had
been killed and brutally mutilated, but also with some surgical precision,
and one of the things that confused people about her
(18:26):
murder back in nineteen forty seven was why would somebody
do this? And who had the knowledge, the medical knowledge
to do what they did to the body. Fast forward
a couple of decades in the late sixties early seventies,
and there were five seemingly random murders in the San
(18:49):
Francisco Bay area and a killer who called himself the
Zodiac terrorized the Bay area with those murders and taunting
police for years with letters and cryptograms and puzzles, and
supposedly confessing via code that he was the Zodiac. In fact,
(19:11):
there was one that even included this guy's name, supposedly
well when police questioned all of the people after Elizabeth
Short was first murdered back in nineteen forty seven, one
of the people that they questioned was a twenty one
year old guy named Marvin Margolis, twenty one year old
(19:34):
pre med student at USC actually already at twenty one,
a veteran of World War II. They said, was shell shocked,
which would now probably translate to PTSD, and he had
expressed an eagerness to practice surgery. One of the military
psychiatrists actually wrote a report about Marvin and said he
was a resentful individual who shows ample evidence of open aggression.
(19:59):
And Marvin lied when they questioned him about the Black
Dahlia murder. He didn't tell detectives that he had actually
lived with Elizabeth Short for a couple of weeks at
an apartment on Hollywood Boulevard, about three months before she
was killed.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
It is odd, though, that there is new evidence connecting
the killers, the Black Dahlia Killer and the Zodiac Killer,
because on its their face, there is a connection in
that the Zodiac murders were done usually with a couples
in car off lover's lanes and things like that. One
(20:36):
of the little known things about the Black Dahlia murder
also off a popular lover's.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Lane in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
So y that in common, but the fact that there
were two decades in between the murders from forty seven
to sixty eight sixty seven sixty eight is curious because
usually killers, they're usually done killing twenty years after a
crime like the Black or if they're not done killing,
they don't go quiet for twenty years.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Well, there is a guy who claims that he has
not only solved the Black Dahlia murder but also the
Zodiac killings and suggests that it's the same guy. We'll
explain how he did this when we come back. Also,
we'll tell you how you can win those tickets.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Let's just see that right now.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
You're going to do that right now. Color number six,
Oh okay, eight hundred five to zero one five three four.
Color number six is going to pick up four tickets
to the Chargers versus the Texans coming up on Saturday,
the twenty seventh Kickoffice at one twenty five v IP
club seats. Caller number six is going to win those
(21:43):
of course, all inclusive food and drinks, premium parking. If
you don't win, you can still get your Chargers tickets
at Chargers dot com slash tickets and hear that game Saturday.
Right here on KFI.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six four.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
What's wrong with you? You just went nonverbal? I did
just We just met a new friend Antonio. Yeah, and Gerald.
He doesn't listen yet, but he's gonna star.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
He's gonna love it, absolutely gonna love it. Tomorrow, by
the way, right about this time, we'll be celebrating yet
another wrapped show. Yeah, yeah, because we're gonna do a
Christmas Carol tomorrow. New cast members, some new people coming in,
new characters, rewrote a bunch of it.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
We've got stars all over this play. We've got Deborah Mark,
We've got Amy King, We've got Michael Monks. I mean, really,
Heather Brooker, Heather Brooker's daughter Channing. I mean, this is
like an ensemble what they call it?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Ensemble?
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Ensemble cast and or do you just say ensemble?
Speaker 2 (22:50):
I drop off the ball?
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Does anybody do that? Am I making it up?
Speaker 2 (22:54):
I'm sure somebody does. I've heard it before.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
You have you heard that?
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I'm trying to sound like I'm in the business. I
am well adjacent, yespionag Tomorrow is when we're going to do.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
I surround myself with thespians. Elmer, you were not in
the show last year.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
I don't I think it. Maybe I know, Elmer, I
was here and you weren't in the show.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Just c wait, I didn't remember doing the show last year.
Yeah we did.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Did we? I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
I know I replayed it. They replayed it from me.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
We did a show because Michael Monks complained about it.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Right, but we didn't do it live.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
You might be right. You might You might be right,
and would explained some of the time differences.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
You may be right. I may be.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
It's coming back and it's live and we're gonna love it.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
It's going to be I don't remember it ever being
this big when it comes to you know, I'm serious,
when it comes down to people wanting to be involved,
people coming to be in the play when they're not
even working.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
We're gonna have to start auctioning off rolls next time.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
It's a it's a big deal. Well, I mean, we
really do have the creme de la creme this this
There were years when we were bringing in people. I
didn't even know worked here for roles. It was nobody
believed in the project.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Now the project has grown so big and it's it's
achieved such publicity and such great heights that the biggest
stars want to be in it. And that's something to
be said for your play and your screenwriting.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
That it really had.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
You've arrived with the gas Christmas, Carol, Are you trying
to talk yourself out of a part you don't want
to do?
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Scrooge the best you have?
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Compliment?
Speaker 2 (24:34):
I see a compliment.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
You need to learn to accept the call in the
new year? Can maybe that be your Neares's resolution?
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Thank you, We'll work. This is gonna be awesome. Gay
True Crime Tuesday, we're talking about this this guy who
claims that he may have cracked not only the Black
Dollia case but also the Zodiac killings and pins them
on the same guy. Marvin Mark Golis was a guy
who lived with at one point Elizabeth Short. She was
(25:03):
the twenty two year old who died in January of
nineteen forty seven. The Black Dahlia murder, also the Zodiac
killings that came around in northern California is sixty seven
sixty eight sixty nine, which included the several messages and
codes and ciphers, cryptograms, et cetera, taunting police and media.
(25:25):
Alex Baber is a fifty year old guy out of
West Virginia. You dropped out of high school, taught himself
code breaking and says he cracked the Zodiac killer's identity
and in the process says he solved Black Dahlia as well. Now,
he's never been a cop, not a private investigator anything
(25:46):
like that. A bunch of people say he's probably too
cocky about what he does. He claims that he was
diagnosed with autism at the age of twelve and that
caused some problems back then. He said, he endured beatings
at school, a rough childhood in rural Florida, skipped college,
and like I said, taught himself code breaking, cryptography, forensics,
(26:07):
and computer science and runs a company called Cold Case Consultants.
And he's devoted himself, he says, day and night, to
providing or proving this connection between arguably two of the
craziest cases we've ever seen in California obviously, but also
(26:28):
potentially throughout the country. And he became interested when he
saw the film Zodiac The David Fincher film from twenty
years ago, that's a great movie. And he learned that
the Z thirteen cipher is regarded as the holy grail
of Zodiac studies. This is a thirteen character string of
letters and symbols that appears in a letter to the
(26:50):
San Francisco Chronicle from the Zodiac back in April of
nineteen seventy and it starts with the words my name
is and then a teen character string of letters and symbols.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
The name hidden in the cipher was Marvin Merrill, an
alias used by Marvin Margolis, the same guy who lived
near Elizabeth Short with her with Elizabeth.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Short and Marvin Merrill being Marvin Margolis's alibi or alias sorry.
It was the name that he lived under while he
was living in Santa Barbara, and he lived there until
the early nineties. He actually passed away from from cancer.
(27:36):
And what this guy now says is Margolis is responsible
for both the Short murder and the five murders that
have been attributed to the Zodiac. They said that he
left this whole bunch of hidden clues in both cases
and among the links, by the way, was a sketch
in nineteen ninety two. He died a year later, but
(27:56):
a sketch in nineteen ninety two of a woman that
carries the Namelizabeth in plane riding. You can see that,
but the name Zodiac hidden in different shaded areas, which
you can see with filters. Now. One of the homicide
detectives both at the LAPD and the San Mateo County
Sheriff's Office, a guy named Rick Jackson, says, in my opinion,
(28:18):
these are solved cases. There are too many links with
both of them. Wow, there's overwhelming, circumstantial evidence. And he
left breadcrumbs all along. Earlier this year, this guy who
cracks the code said, he presented Rick Jackson with his
conclusions and even though he was skeptical at first, he
was intrigued. And he said he tried hard but couldn't
(28:41):
punch any holes in this guy's theory. So maybe it took.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
It's the two biggest, you know, arguably.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Well, like you said, I think the only thing that
that would make it sound not plausible is that twenty
year break serial killer. Don't do that. I mean, granted,
if it's if Elizabeth Short was the only kill, if
she was the only murder, that doesn't make a serial killer.
But then what happened in those ensuing twenty years before
(29:13):
the murders started up in northern California.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
So it was not your dad.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
No, okay, no, no, I don't no, no, pretty no,
right can be? I mean I met my dad right,
and he didn't just didn't have the personality quiet quiet,
pretty quiet, jolly family man.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Yeah, happy serial killers never lived double lives.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
No, he didn't really do much. No, but I see
you tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
He grew delicious bell peppers. Yes, they were fantastic serial killers.
Don't do that. Nah, they don't care for foots, have vegetables.
What are you a detective now? Yes?
Speaker 2 (29:56):
The John Cobalt shoe Lou Penrose in for Johnson. We'll
see you tomorrow on Christmas. E I stayed dry. Everybody,
you've been listening to The Gary and Shannon Show, you
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