January 7, 2026 • 34 mins
Gary & Shannon reflect on the one-year anniversary of the devastating wildfires and dig into new questions about government preparedness, accountability, and why key reports appear to have been softened before release. The hour moves into breaking developments out of Minneapolis involving an ICE-related shooting, followed by major updates in the Reiner case as a public defender steps in and legal experts question the viability of a mental defense.
The conversation turns personal and pointed as attorney Alan Jackson’s departure sparks speculation about behind-the-scenes tension, before shifting gears to Mickey Rourke distancing himself from a viral GoFundMe.
The hour closes with KFI’s Heather Brooker reporting live from the Palisades, capturing the emotional ceremonies honoring those lost.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Just a note, by the way about Gas Fantasy four
play coming up on Friday. It's going to be as
we've seen for the last couple of years, a Gas
Fantasy six pack.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
It's wild Card weekend and we've got a number of
games coming up and we will be picking all of them.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
But there's a twist this year. There is a twist
this year.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
We have a celebrity picker that's going to be taking
part of My dog Peter, will be a playoff prognosticator.
Thank you to the generosity of you and your mini
helmets that I got for my birthday. I got thirty
two NFL helmets presenting the current teams and how did
I want? And so I'm sorry, I'm going to set
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them up and I'm going to allow him. I'm going
to set up each of the six games, starting with
Rams Rams Carolina on Saturday morning, and he'll go through
in the first helmet of the two that he touches,
that's clearly the winner of the game. Now, I did
the math there's about a one in sixty four chance,
(01:13):
which approximately is about like one and a half percent
chance that he picks all six games correctly.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Now, how did you explain this to your wife when
you got home?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Hey, honey, you like football, and that's where it ended.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
That's where the conversation ended. So she's totally down with it. Okay, Yeah, Well.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Because you know it's it's basically exploiting your dog.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Well, it's not exploiting the dog unless and until he
picks all six games correctly starts generating a little bit
of interest, it takes off. We start getting people asking
could your dog bless my child or anything like that.
You know that's we're not really looking for that part
of it. I mean that would be cool too, sure,
but what we'll post that on Friday when we get
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into the actual picks for those games.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Can we get your dog to like pick the Latto numbers?
It depends on how this weekend goes. Yeah, we'll see.
I don't want to then the door swings wide open
that we could be in trouble. Obviously.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
One year thing is is if he go if you
start this and he goes and he starts sniffing that
Carolina helmet, I mean all is lost, right, well, like
that would be the one shock of the whole weekend.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
And I'm trying to make sure I come up with
a plan where I'm not gonna lie. I'm gonna put
a little half treat under each helmet, right, But it's
an it's an evil treat, right right, So it's not
you know, And I'm thinking, should I mix up? You know,
usually i'd put the visiting team on the left side
and the home team on the right side. Should I
switch those two just just in case he shows one
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preference to the right side, right pod.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
I don't know what about toys? Does he have like
a busy bee? Does he have a certain toy that
he is drawn to? And what color is it?
Speaker 2 (02:58):
It's a blue, It's a living a stick, It's like
a rubber shoe bone. I don't mean to That was
very aggressive and that was inapropriate. It looked like it hurt. Well,
only if you do it well, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Mayor Karen Bass is talking about the year of rebuilding
after the Palisades fire, and she is talking about people
profiting off victims grief. It's a shell game, isn't it.
Don't look here, look over here, don't look at me
for what I did wrong that you've looked at for
a year.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Let's talk about these bad people over here. She should
have been nice to me on that flight. She did.
It was nice to her. I was nothing but gracious,
and she.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Had all every opportunity to come onto our show at
the DNC.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
She was looking past you the whole time. Yeah, everybody remembers.
She was out of the country in Africa when the
fire erupted. We talked about it that day, We talked
about it in the days that fire followed. How did
everyone spend so much time talking about the incredibly unusually
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dangerous conditions that we had seen a couple of times previous,
By the way, earlier in the months just before that,
we had seen a couple of very dangerous warnings from
the National Weather Service and from fire agencies about the
combination of severe drought, the high winds that were coming up,
very little rain, all of it was going to lead
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to a firestorm, and she was out of the country. Now,
there's obviously no way she knew that the fire was
going to break out.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I also think that it doesn't Yes, it would have
been nice if she was here. But her being here
doesn't change the firefights. Oh not at that stage. Yes,
things should have been prepositioned, and we know that now
we'll see if they are moving forward much more resources
preposition when you get a forecast like that. But I'm
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also very critical when there is a disaster her and
politicians flocked to it.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
It's like you're just a distraction at that point.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
So I don't want to talk out of both sides
in my mouth and say, why'd she go on that
trip or whatever?
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Her being here doesn't help the firefight, No, but it does.
The optics are awful.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
It would have provided her a foundation to say I
am in this thing, even if even if she never
set foot in the Palisades and stayed in the Emergency
Operations Center or something like that. Yes, she would have
had the ability to say, I've been here the whole time,
I'm here with you. I'm going to do everything I
can to get this thing back together. Now she's she's
saying the right things now, which is the Palisades is
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always top of mind. I'm not going to rest until
the Palisite Palisades look like it did before January seventh
or twenty five. That's going to be decades. It's going
to be decades. And I don't know how truthful she
is and how she plans to stick to that, but
this is the thing that she will be remembered for
that one one event. Granted, it's a massively historic event,
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the largest wildfire in terms of property loss in the
history of the country, but it is one of these things.
She says, I do understand the anger, and she said,
to see all the construction taking place, that's hopeful, and
that's inspiring to me. If you've driven down pch it's
hard to find. It is hard to see whatever she's
(06:23):
talking about. All of the construction that's taking place. There
is some there's little dribs and drabs. But you remember
that confrontation that she had in the firehouse with the president. Again,
he wasn't president at the time, if I'm not mistaken,
he hadn't been inaugurated yet, but he came President Trump,
President elect Trump came out and was sitting in that firehouse,
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and he was saying, we need to clear the decks,
we need to get all the red tape out of
the way, we need to get these people back in homes.
That are livable and allow them the freedom to build
as quickly as possible. And her comment kept the comment
she kept saying was but safely. Yes, yes, yes, but
we have to do it safely. And it's that like
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bowing down, praying to safetyism that cripples any sort of construction,
especially when it comes to the Palisades because of the
layers of bureaucracy, the red tape that exists now in
terms of trying to get people back to their homes,
to their lives.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
All right, when we come back, we'll obviously have some
more reflections on a year ago to day. Michael Monks
from KFI News has a special coming up this evening,
kind of a look back and a look to the
future about what we can expect with which with this
age of disaster we are in. He'll be joining us
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later coming up on our show as well to talk
about that. But when we come back the news out
of the Downtown LA Courthouse CCB right now, there are
a couple hundred reporters gathered at a podium right out
front of the building waiting to hear if Alan Jackson
has any statement to make, if the family of Rob
(08:04):
Reiner and Michelle Reiner have a statement to make again
the news this morning that they have broken ties with
high profile defense attorney Alan Jackson, and we'll have a
public defender representing Nick and what is considered to be
a sure thing for a plea of insanity when it
comes to these murders. So we'll we'll take you there
live if it happens, but certainly have all the details
(08:25):
out of that. Also, some nine to one one calls
that every surface that may aid in his defense is
mental health defense.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on Demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
A lot of stuff going on today. We mentioned the
oil tanker that was finally seized. This is one that
was being chased for a couple of weeks by the
Coast Guard and other military assets. It's a tanker that
was linked to both Russia and Venezuela. Up in the
Atlantic Ocean is where it was taken. Also, there was
another seizure of a sanctioned tanker, the mt Sofia, which
(09:01):
the military said was conducting illicit activities in the Caribbean,
has been that has been captured as well. This developing
story out of Minneapolis immigration and Customs Enforcement agents in
Minneapolis fatally shot a woman in her car today, According
to a spokesperson on x They said officers in Minneapolis
were conducting targeted operations when rioters began blocking ICE officers,
(09:25):
and one of these violent rioters weaponized her vehicle, attempting
to run over our law enforcement officers in an attempt
to kill them, an act of domestic terrorism. The congresswoman
out of Minnesota, elan Omar, said, I'm following news of
a reported shooting of a legal observer by ICE agents
(09:45):
in South Minneapolis, etc. So we know that Christy Nolan,
Department of Homeland Security Secretary, has been in Texas. She
did make some comments on this, but didn't say she
had not received a full briefing from agents on the ground.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
A massive gaggle of reporters is outside Criminal Courts Building
downtown Los Angeles, waiting to hear potentially from defense attorney
Alan Jackson, who's been removed from the Nick Reiner defense.
Nick Reiner, of course, killing his parents, Rob and Michelle Reiner,
stabbing them to death in their home in Brentwood. The
(10:20):
family has released a statement we were wondering why the
breakup with this high profile defense attorney. The statement reads this,
and this is a statement they released to the New
York Times. We have the utmost trust in the legal
process and will not comment further on matters related to
the legal proceedings. TMZ reporting Nick Reiner's new attorney is
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a public defender. Her name is Kimberly Green nineteen years experience, you.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Gotta say nineteen years old.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
The judge has signed up on the nixt change of
legal representation, set a new arraignment date. Looking at February
twenty third. Nick was in court and he did speak
up saying to that new arrangement date, Yeah, I agree
with that.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Nick has left the courtroom.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Sorry, was he going to check his schedule to see
if he was available that day?
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Nick leaving has left the courtroom, going back to jail.
Still no bail set, and Alan Jackson is set to
address the media. This will be interesting. TMS says they
will live stream it. But I don't know if this
public defender is a stopgap. There's a lot of questions
when you sign up an attorney like Alan Jackson, who's
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basically the new Mark Arragus. He's the guy that all
the celebrities sign up. He charges an s ton of money,
and usually when a guy like Alan Jackson drops off
from a case, which he has in the past.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
He has dropped off from.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Some high profile cases for lack of funds to pay him.
But it doesn't seem like that would be the case
with the Reiner family unless the money that they were
going to use to pay Alan Jackson is tied up
in a family trust that legally maybe the murderer or
the person on trial for murder is not able to access.
(12:09):
I don't know how these financial entanglements work, especially when
there's a trust involved, but maybe that is one of
the situations. Although the problem with that is Alan Jackson
knows the rein Reiner family is good for it. Even
if the money is tangled up right now, they're still
good for it. Obviously there's a lot of money there.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
What are the chances this was brought up by another
LA defense attorney to The Times, What if some conflict
arises between Alan Jackson and the Reiner family or specifically Nick.
I mean, if he's involved with that many high profile clients,
there are a lot of people out there. I can't
envision what a conflict might be. But that's also a possibility.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Sure, a conflict between somebody with the family or Nick,
or somebody works with Alan Jackson's office, potentially, I don't know.
The other possibility, maybe, although this is kind of far fetched,
is that they wanted a low profile defense. This is
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obviously going to be a mental illness not guilty by
reason of in insanity defense. Everything we have seen is
evidence of that this was somebody who was diagnosed with
a form of schizophrenia. There is report after report that
in the month before the murders he was trying to
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get his meds right, or there were a team of
professionals trying to get his meds right. There's evidence that
he has when he was on the wrong meds in
the past, flown off the handle. In his own first
person testimony via podcast, he talked about destroying his parents'
guest house when he was high on drugs and or medication.
So that's definitely the defense you're going to see play out.
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Do you need a high profile defense attorney to lay
out that defense? These are all questions I am not
qualified to answer, But this is kind of a rare thing.
You usually don't see celebrities lawyer up with the best
of the best, the most expensive of the expensive, and
then them leave before even the arraignment.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yeah, you one of the issues, and you didn't bring
this up. But he had been on suicide watch as
well when he first went in.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Most of this, Yeah, that's very common, and then he
was taken off, I mean earlier this week.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
That was a report of you and if you killed
your wife this afternoon, you'd be placed on suicide watch
this afternoon. I mean, it's pretty common that that happens.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
That is going to be one of those things though,
that I would assume is brought up in the event
that they do use or try to use mental health
as part of the defense. Now we know also that
there had been nine to one one calls that were
made to the home in the for several years. I
mean one that goes back until to twenty nineteen. The
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February of twenty nineteen, they were called to do a
welfare check there. September of that same year another mental
health related call for a man who was not identified,
but officers later told a supervisor they didn't find any
indication of actual mental illness.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
We talked about the need to be successful with a
mental illness defense. It's not just as simple as saying
you have a mental illness. You could make the argument
that anybody who takes the life of another person is
mentally ill in some way in some capacity.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
That is obvious.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
You don't kill somebody if you're all there together in
your head.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
What is timing.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
No.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
To be successful, you have to prove that you did
not know right from wrong at the time of the murders.
And unfortunately, in this case, for me as a juror,
if I was one, him leaving the scene right away
is knowing he did something wrong, knowing right from wrong,
him changing his clothes, checking into a motel, all of
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these things that we already know have been entered into
evidence because they've been in police reports. Those are all
to me signs that he knew right from wrong. And
that is the key to being successful with this defense.
If the jury is going to follow the law, that's
what the law says, you have to prove that they
did not know right from wrong in that act, Like
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do you.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Have to be that crazy to get away with the crazy?
It's almost like if he had done it and then
stayed yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Then had made popcorn while the body's rotted upstairs. Unfortunately,
that's a better move post homicide for you. If you're
going to plead guilty by reason of insanity.
Speaker 6 (16:46):
Bring your own popcorn or make theirs I don't know,
or eat the carpet, and continue to be crazy. Don't
act like somebody is trying to hide a murder. Continue
to act crazy.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
We will talk a bit more about what's going on
the post fires. One year later, after January seventh, I
found the audio from this break one year ago, this
break being the ten thirty break. That's when you came
back and announced that we had the first reports of
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smoke in the hills above the Palisades. We had been
tipped off by somebody from driving through Santa Monica and
said that they could see the smoke coming from the
hills in the Palisades and lo and behold, it blew
up into what we now know was one of the
worst fires that we've seen in the history of the country.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Something blew up in the Nick Reiner case between the
family and defense attorney Alan Jackson.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
He is off the case.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
He just took to the microphones outside CCB in downtown
Los Angeles to explain at least what he could explain.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
And he said something at the beginning. I didn't catch it,
but it was that these were things that were out
of the control of him or Nick right, which to.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Me, to me means he got into it with the family.
There was a disagreement between Alan Jackson and the family.
Who knows what it was, if it was strategy, what
it was, because he seemed like he really wanted this case.
He said, you know, I have dropped everything every waking
hourspan spent on this case. Nick Reiner is innocent, blah
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blah blah. It seems like he's pissed off. Alan Jackson
seemed pissed off behind that microphone, that this was out
of his control.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
That to me, the family pulled the plug on this
could have This is the last statement he made before
he walked away.
Speaker 7 (18:44):
Well we've learned, and you could take this to the bank.
Is it pursue it to the laws of this state.
Pursue it to the law in California. Nick Reiner is
not guilty of murder. Print that.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Print that so Alan Jackson so weak stream.
Speaker 7 (19:06):
We wish him the very very best moving forward and
that's all I have today, and then he.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Just turned his back. I remember, it's just a classic.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
I remember covering the Phil Spector murder trial and his
closing argument. We all wish that we could tell Lana
Clarkson before she left the club that night with Phil Spector,
don't go, don't go. And he was whispering, and a
grown man whispering to a crowded courtroom is as crapy
as one can get.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
But his was reminiscent of don't go. Print that.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
So we'll find out, I guess, or maybe we won't.
I'm certain we will, though, because these things find a
way of seeing daylight of what happened, why they removed
a very expensive, very high profile attorney.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
And the family statement didn't really say much right now.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
That was again, let's see here it said they issued
it to the New York Time. I lost it now,
but something to the effect of, we were not going
to say anything. Yeah, okay, here it is. A spokes
person for the Reiner family release a statement saying they
have the utmost trust in the legal process and will
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not comment further on matters related to the legal proceedings.
A source told The New York Times the change had
nothing to do with Allan's performance, and that he had
been a pro That sounds like it came from Alan
Jackson's people. The fact that he had to say in
front of the microphones, I got a call in December
(20:38):
fifteenth and I dropped everything. And every waking hour has
been spent. Seems like doth protests too much.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Yeah, you know who knows.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
We mentioned a little bit yesterday about the Mickey Rourke
Instagram post.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
We talked it.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
This week has been dominated and shouldn't say that word
has included some weird, weirdly personal knowledge of Mickey Rourke
who somehow got way behind on his rent or stopped
paying rent because of a conflict with landlords, something like that.
So one of his managers or management team put up
(21:19):
a GoFundMe page to the tune of when we saw
it first on Tuesday or Monday morning, I think it
was to the tune of like seventy thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Well, it's well up around one hundred thousand now.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
There were people that were donating five and six and
seven thousand dollars to his account. He took to Instagram
and said he had no idea what that was all about.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
If something's come up that I'm really frustrated, confused, and
I don't understand somebody set up some kind of foundation
or fund for me to donate money, like like charity,
and that that's not me. Okay, I'd rather if I
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give you money, I wouldn't ask for no charity. I'd
rather stick a gun.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Up my ass and pull the trigger. Well, I never
did this.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
I don't know if they did it, why they did it.
I don't understand it. I wouldn't know what a go
fund foundation is in a million years.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
I hope those dogs are very simple.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
I don't go to outside sources like that. And yeah,
it is embarrassing, but you know, I'm sure I'll get
over it, like anything else.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Sure everything else. I can see that where you went
want somebody.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
Done a really terreful job in managing my career. I
wasn't very diplomatic.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
You know.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
I had to go to over twenty years of therapy
to get over the damage that was done to me
years ago.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
And listen, he's a very honest guy. He's like, he's
still very likable. But I love I've never heard that phrase.
You've here a lot of I'd rather than I'd rather
but you've never heard I'd rather stick a gun up
my at.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
I don't know if I can say that the I mean,
that's pretty graphic.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Apparently the.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Management team has confirmed that he declined the money, so
donations have been paused. I don't know what the plan is, Like,
you can get refunds, I mean, go fund me will
refund the money.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
But I meant to tell you this. I was reading
my People magazine.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
As one is wont to do right sure in their
bubble bath, right, and you're taking a momentary breakaway from
football thoughts for a moment, right, okay?
Speaker 1 (23:41):
And there were in the first page of People magazine
there's quotes from celebrities on like whatever's topical, And one
of the quotes was from somebody, an actor that I
don't know now and I'm gonna have to go back
and look at it, but he said that his hobby
is to stay up late at night, go on go
fund me and pay people's medical bills.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
So we were just talking about asking about that. You
were like, is there somebody, are there people that do
this that?
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Just because you were.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Talking about the number of the crazy number of people
that nobody's you know that you don't know that posts
their medical issues on GoFundMe. And I was wondering, like,
is there people that just do this that'm just go
and go fund me to pay?
Speaker 3 (24:18):
He exactly does.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
That, and that there are suggestions from go fund me,
Oh that you get that. How do you to Here's
how you get some more money. Make sure it's a
personal appeal, sure that you you know, give details and
things like that.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
That's like when we were buying a house and this
was now twelve years ago, thirteen years ago, longer than that,
I don't remember, but.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
The realtor said, you got to put a.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Picture in a bio and I'm like, what what are
you talking about? How about just money talk? How about
we have money to buy said property? What more do
you need? It's like, oh, well, it's competitive. They want
to know who you are and see a picture.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
And I thought that was the most ridiculous thing ever.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
When we just sold a house that my parents owned,
it came down to the letters the two buyers that
wanted to make offers on the house, and they included
letters for it. Isn't that incredible that that comes to that? Yeah,
I mean it's but I think it's a good it's
an acknowledgment that it's much more than just a business transaction.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
It's like, you know when we were when you got
told that you should go pal around with the salespeople
and sit on their lap and we said, doesn't the
show speak for itself? And we were told no, they
need Gary lap time.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
So I gluted it up a little bit.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
They're damn right, you did deep squats and.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
We're still here. Yeah, and I appreciate you doing that.
I really do free pressed hams for everybody. I really do.
Gary h what a ham? Well can thank you. We'll continue.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
The report that Ice agents were involved in a shoe
in Minneapolis. Maybe some protesting, maybe some rioting. This is
all accounts from the scene that have been unverified. Woman
apparently using her car against Ice agents. Now the mayor
is saying that that's bloney, that this was using a
stronger term, that that was not the situation, that there
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was not them acting in self defense. I was just
trying to find some footage of the actual event, because
it seems there's footage of everything everywhere these days. But
the mayor saying, I have a message for Ice, get
the f out of Minneapolis.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
There are reports that the victim, the woman, was not
charging at them with her vehicle.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah, there's a million cameras everywhere, and there would have
been cameras in.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
The I think I just found some, but I am not.
It's not confirmed, but yeah, so I won't even.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
One of the things that we're doing today, obviously, is
remembering what happened a year ago or started, I should
say a year ago, and residents down in the Palisades
right now are rallying to demand accountability at an event
called they Let Us Burn our Own. Heather Brooker is
down there along the Palisades to give us an update
(27:21):
on what's going on today.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Heather, what's going on?
Speaker 8 (27:23):
Hi, Good morning, Jerry and Channon. So yes, I am
here at the Palisades village where hundreds of people have gathered.
I don't know if you can hear right now, but
there is a drum circle happening. There is a Native
American drum circle. It is from the Global Empowerment Mission.
A few moments ago they had a bell ringing and
(27:44):
they named off each of the twelve people who were
killed in the Palisades fire. You know, I have to
say that this is quite a bit different. I was
in Altadena earlier this morning and it was very subdued,
very quiet this morning in Altadena. Here there is a
lot more renewed passions. People are very uh. I don't
(28:06):
want to stay excited, but they certainly is. There's a
lot more energy company here, and there's some speakers that
are gonna be talking here a moment, including Mighty montag
is one of them. So one of the reasons the
demonstration is happening, as you guys have been talking about.
They they say they have ten bowls here. They wanted
to a sales tax on what you built city at hermands,
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the ul A holidays those five years, no property fact
on dwellings, amongst other things.
Speaker 9 (28:34):
But before we get too.
Speaker 8 (28:35):
Farther into that, I want to I want to introduce
you guys to a couple of people I just met here.
I've got Andrea and Kevin with me, and they're here
gonna they're gonna tell us what they're doing there today.
So can you guys tell me why are you starting
come out today?
Speaker 9 (28:49):
Well, we spent a year since the fire, when we
came back here to I'll participate and support the community
and coming back. We moved back into the Palaces about
two weeks ago, and uh, we're getting used to the
new reality here in town.
Speaker 8 (29:07):
And Andrea, how are you feeling today? And what is
this demonstration not for you?
Speaker 7 (29:10):
So far?
Speaker 10 (29:11):
I came to support all of the families that lost everything,
especially here in the party says, so many of our
friends lost everything. I'm here to support them and to
give you know, strength, if possible, that we can we
can rise from all this and then we can rebuild.
And we want to rebuild this beautiful town that is
completely burnt. So I'm here with a lot of grat
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is also because we must. We moved back to our
home two weeks ago, and I'm here just to you know,
to cheer them up that we can do this.
Speaker 8 (29:42):
That does seem to be a sentiment. A lot of
people are saying, Kevin and Andrea, thank you so much.
That is a sentiment You're engine and that a lot
of people I've spoken to so far have said they
they want to rebuild, but they also want accountability. And
that's what we're seeing a lot of that passion coming
from today.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
So accountability, I'm assuming this means getting money back from
whatever entity has been from sued because of the destruction,
or that the amount of destruction. Is there frustration that
people have not been able to move back into their
homes because money hasn't been freed up too much red
tape specifically, what has been the problem with rebuilding thus far.
Speaker 8 (30:23):
Well, I think that the frustration that they're having with
wanting accountability is just for somebody to say, hey, we
screwed up. We did not handle this properly, we did
not do what we needed to do. I think, honestly,
that would be the first start in a situation like
this to let people start moving forward and have the
healing process. You know, earlier when I was in Altadena,
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one of the homeowners I spoke with THEIRS said they
want so Cal Edison to admit their role in the
Eaten fire. I think right now, you know, when I
came first came up, there was definitely more subdued. Like
I said, they had the moment of silence. The musicians
were playing. Now the speakers are starting to take the stage.
There's a lot of signs we have completely everything's taken
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over the square here if you will, in the Palisades village.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Well, it's just going to get it.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
I can't imagine what this day is like for people
that went through that. And like you said, I mean
there are people that are coming back, but the reality
of life in the pali Stades is different and will
be different for a decade or more.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
We'll see. Heather, thank you for your stuff. Appreciate it, Luly.
Speaker 8 (31:33):
Yeah, thank you guys, Heather.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Brooker there live in the Palisade.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I mean, the bitch of it is is nobody's gonna
say we did something wrong. You can't do that any
liability wise. That means you have to write fat checks,
you bankrupt yourself in your company or your city, or
your department or what have you. When you say we
were wrong, we were at fault. Unfortunately, that's just the
way it goes. And yes, there were a number of
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problems with the preparation, with the response, with the mismanagement
even at the fire department level. Blame leadership or what
have you. But this was also a monster ass fire.
The conditions were ridiculous, and we talked about it. We
talked about it on you know, Monday of that week
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about with the way the winds were coming down off
the mountains and the heat they were facing on the
floor and what that meant in terms of science and
fire science. This thing took off way too fast, way
too fast.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah, And when we talked with Jacob sober Off earlier,
I asked him, what was there one specific misstep or
miscalculation or you know, thing that wasn't done that maybe
stood out to him, And it was just a matter
of there's not one thing that would have made enough
of a difference that okay, So instead of you know,
a few thousand homes lost, we had fifteen hunds homes
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lost or something like that.
Speaker 10 (33:01):
I mean, the.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Reservoir up there, obviously is the main point of contention,
or one of the main points of contention, that if
that thing had been filled, what it may have been
a chance, Yes, yes, there is a chance it would
have made a difference. But this was a massive firestorm
with or without that thing being full.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
And then add insult to injury, the ineptitude at various
different levels. Right, Okay, when we come back, we will
get into what's going on in Minneapolis, and it's not good.
I'll tell you that Ice agents reportedly shot and killed
a woman.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Their story was.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
This was a protest riot situation, she was using her
car against them. Video from the scene shows otherwise, and
this is already exploded.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Just a note, by the way about Gas Fantasy four
play coming up on Friday. It's going to be as
we've seen for the last couple of years, a Gas
Fantasy six pack.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
It's wild Card weekend and we've got a number of
games coming up and we will be picking all of them.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
But there's a twist this year. There is a twist
this year.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
We have a celebrity picker that's going to be taking
part of My dog Peter, will be a playoff prognosticator.
Thank you to the generosity of you and your mini
helmets that I got for my birthday. I got thirty
two NFL helmets presenting the current teams and how did
I want? And so I'm sorry, I'm going to set
(00:51):
them up and I'm going to allow him. I'm going
to set up each of the six games, starting with
Rams Rams Carolina on Saturday morning, and he'll go through
in the first helmet of the two that he touches,
that's clearly the winner of the game. Now, I did
the math there's about a one in sixty four chance,
(01:13):
which approximately is about like one and a half percent
chance that he picks all six games correctly.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Now, how did you explain this to your wife when
you got home?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Hey, honey, you like football, and that's where it ended.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
That's where the conversation ended. So she's totally down with it. Okay, Yeah, Well.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Because you know it's it's basically exploiting your dog.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Well, it's not exploiting the dog unless and until he
picks all six games correctly starts generating a little bit
of interest, it takes off. We start getting people asking
could your dog bless my child or anything like that.
You know that's we're not really looking for that part
of it. I mean that would be cool too, sure,
but what we'll post that on Friday when we get
(02:00):
into the actual picks for those games.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Can we get your dog to like pick the Latto numbers?
It depends on how this weekend goes. Yeah, we'll see.
I don't want to then the door swings wide open
that we could be in trouble. Obviously.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
One year thing is is if he go if you
start this and he goes and he starts sniffing that
Carolina helmet, I mean all is lost, right, well, like
that would be the one shock of the whole weekend.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
And I'm trying to make sure I come up with
a plan where I'm not gonna lie. I'm gonna put
a little half treat under each helmet, right, But it's
an it's an evil treat, right right, So it's not
you know, And I'm thinking, should I mix up? You know,
usually i'd put the visiting team on the left side
and the home team on the right side. Should I
switch those two just just in case he shows one
(02:49):
preference to the right side, right pod.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
I don't know what about toys? Does he have like
a busy bee? Does he have a certain toy that
he is drawn to? And what color is it?
Speaker 2 (02:58):
It's a blue, It's a living a stick, It's like
a rubber shoe bone. I don't mean to That was
very aggressive and that was inapropriate. It looked like it hurt. Well,
only if you do it well, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Mayor Karen Bass is talking about the year of rebuilding
after the Palisades fire, and she is talking about people
profiting off victims grief. It's a shell game, isn't it.
Don't look here, look over here, don't look at me
for what I did wrong that you've looked at for
a year.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Let's talk about these bad people over here. She should
have been nice to me on that flight. She did.
It was nice to her. I was nothing but gracious,
and she.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Had all every opportunity to come onto our show at
the DNC.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
She was looking past you the whole time. Yeah, everybody remembers.
She was out of the country in Africa when the
fire erupted. We talked about it that day, We talked
about it in the days that fire followed. How did
everyone spend so much time talking about the incredibly unusually
(04:09):
dangerous conditions that we had seen a couple of times previous,
By the way, earlier in the months just before that,
we had seen a couple of very dangerous warnings from
the National Weather Service and from fire agencies about the
combination of severe drought, the high winds that were coming up,
very little rain, all of it was going to lead
(04:30):
to a firestorm, and she was out of the country. Now,
there's obviously no way she knew that the fire was
going to break out.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I also think that it doesn't Yes, it would have
been nice if she was here. But her being here
doesn't change the firefights. Oh not at that stage. Yes,
things should have been prepositioned, and we know that now
we'll see if they are moving forward much more resources
preposition when you get a forecast like that. But I'm
(04:57):
also very critical when there is a disaster her and
politicians flocked to it.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
It's like you're just a distraction at that point.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
So I don't want to talk out of both sides
in my mouth and say, why'd she go on that
trip or whatever?
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Her being here doesn't help the firefight, No, but it does.
The optics are awful.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
It would have provided her a foundation to say I
am in this thing, even if even if she never
set foot in the Palisades and stayed in the Emergency
Operations Center or something like that. Yes, she would have
had the ability to say, I've been here the whole time,
I'm here with you. I'm going to do everything I
can to get this thing back together. Now she's she's
saying the right things now, which is the Palisades is
(05:38):
always top of mind. I'm not going to rest until
the Palisite Palisades look like it did before January seventh
or twenty five. That's going to be decades. It's going
to be decades. And I don't know how truthful she
is and how she plans to stick to that, but
this is the thing that she will be remembered for
that one one event. Granted, it's a massively historic event,
(06:03):
the largest wildfire in terms of property loss in the
history of the country, but it is one of these things.
She says, I do understand the anger, and she said,
to see all the construction taking place, that's hopeful, and
that's inspiring to me. If you've driven down pch it's
hard to find. It is hard to see whatever she's
(06:23):
talking about. All of the construction that's taking place. There
is some there's little dribs and drabs. But you remember
that confrontation that she had in the firehouse with the president. Again,
he wasn't president at the time, if I'm not mistaken,
he hadn't been inaugurated yet, but he came President Trump,
President elect Trump came out and was sitting in that firehouse,
(06:44):
and he was saying, we need to clear the decks,
we need to get all the red tape out of
the way, we need to get these people back in homes.
That are livable and allow them the freedom to build
as quickly as possible. And her comment kept the comment
she kept saying was but safely. Yes, yes, yes, but
we have to do it safely. And it's that like
(07:08):
bowing down, praying to safetyism that cripples any sort of construction,
especially when it comes to the Palisades because of the
layers of bureaucracy, the red tape that exists now in
terms of trying to get people back to their homes,
to their lives.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
All right, when we come back, we'll obviously have some
more reflections on a year ago to day. Michael Monks
from KFI News has a special coming up this evening,
kind of a look back and a look to the
future about what we can expect with which with this
age of disaster we are in. He'll be joining us
(07:43):
later coming up on our show as well to talk
about that. But when we come back the news out
of the Downtown LA Courthouse CCB right now, there are
a couple hundred reporters gathered at a podium right out
front of the building waiting to hear if Alan Jackson
has any statement to make, if the family of Rob
(08:04):
Reiner and Michelle Reiner have a statement to make again
the news this morning that they have broken ties with
high profile defense attorney Alan Jackson, and we'll have a
public defender representing Nick and what is considered to be
a sure thing for a plea of insanity when it
comes to these murders. So we'll we'll take you there
live if it happens, but certainly have all the details
(08:25):
out of that. Also, some nine to one one calls
that every surface that may aid in his defense is
mental health defense.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on Demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
A lot of stuff going on today. We mentioned the
oil tanker that was finally seized. This is one that
was being chased for a couple of weeks by the
Coast Guard and other military assets. It's a tanker that
was linked to both Russia and Venezuela. Up in the
Atlantic Ocean is where it was taken. Also, there was
another seizure of a sanctioned tanker, the mt Sofia, which
(09:01):
the military said was conducting illicit activities in the Caribbean,
has been that has been captured as well. This developing
story out of Minneapolis immigration and Customs Enforcement agents in
Minneapolis fatally shot a woman in her car today, According
to a spokesperson on x They said officers in Minneapolis
were conducting targeted operations when rioters began blocking ICE officers,
(09:25):
and one of these violent rioters weaponized her vehicle, attempting
to run over our law enforcement officers in an attempt
to kill them, an act of domestic terrorism. The congresswoman
out of Minnesota, elan Omar, said, I'm following news of
a reported shooting of a legal observer by ICE agents
(09:45):
in South Minneapolis, etc. So we know that Christy Nolan,
Department of Homeland Security Secretary, has been in Texas. She
did make some comments on this, but didn't say she
had not received a full briefing from agents on the ground.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
A massive gaggle of reporters is outside Criminal Courts Building
downtown Los Angeles, waiting to hear potentially from defense attorney
Alan Jackson, who's been removed from the Nick Reiner defense.
Nick Reiner, of course, killing his parents, Rob and Michelle Reiner,
stabbing them to death in their home in Brentwood. The
(10:20):
family has released a statement we were wondering why the
breakup with this high profile defense attorney. The statement reads this,
and this is a statement they released to the New
York Times. We have the utmost trust in the legal
process and will not comment further on matters related to
the legal proceedings. TMZ reporting Nick Reiner's new attorney is
(10:42):
a public defender. Her name is Kimberly Green nineteen years experience, you.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Gotta say nineteen years old.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
The judge has signed up on the nixt change of
legal representation, set a new arraignment date. Looking at February
twenty third. Nick was in court and he did speak
up saying to that new arrangement date, Yeah, I agree
with that.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Nick has left the courtroom.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Sorry, was he going to check his schedule to see
if he was available that day?
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Nick leaving has left the courtroom, going back to jail.
Still no bail set, and Alan Jackson is set to
address the media. This will be interesting. TMS says they
will live stream it. But I don't know if this
public defender is a stopgap. There's a lot of questions
when you sign up an attorney like Alan Jackson, who's
(11:34):
basically the new Mark Arragus. He's the guy that all
the celebrities sign up. He charges an s ton of money,
and usually when a guy like Alan Jackson drops off
from a case, which he has in the past.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
He has dropped off from.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Some high profile cases for lack of funds to pay him.
But it doesn't seem like that would be the case
with the Reiner family unless the money that they were
going to use to pay Alan Jackson is tied up
in a family trust that legally maybe the murderer or
the person on trial for murder is not able to access.
(12:09):
I don't know how these financial entanglements work, especially when
there's a trust involved, but maybe that is one of
the situations. Although the problem with that is Alan Jackson
knows the rein Reiner family is good for it. Even
if the money is tangled up right now, they're still
good for it. Obviously there's a lot of money there.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
What are the chances this was brought up by another
LA defense attorney to The Times, What if some conflict
arises between Alan Jackson and the Reiner family or specifically Nick.
I mean, if he's involved with that many high profile clients,
there are a lot of people out there. I can't
envision what a conflict might be. But that's also a possibility.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Sure, a conflict between somebody with the family or Nick,
or somebody works with Alan Jackson's office, potentially, I don't know.
The other possibility, maybe, although this is kind of far fetched,
is that they wanted a low profile defense. This is
(13:11):
obviously going to be a mental illness not guilty by
reason of in insanity defense. Everything we have seen is
evidence of that this was somebody who was diagnosed with
a form of schizophrenia. There is report after report that
in the month before the murders he was trying to
(13:31):
get his meds right, or there were a team of
professionals trying to get his meds right. There's evidence that
he has when he was on the wrong meds in
the past, flown off the handle. In his own first
person testimony via podcast, he talked about destroying his parents'
guest house when he was high on drugs and or medication.
So that's definitely the defense you're going to see play out.
(13:55):
Do you need a high profile defense attorney to lay
out that defense? These are all questions I am not
qualified to answer, But this is kind of a rare thing.
You usually don't see celebrities lawyer up with the best
of the best, the most expensive of the expensive, and
then them leave before even the arraignment.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yeah, you one of the issues, and you didn't bring
this up. But he had been on suicide watch as
well when he first went in.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Most of this, Yeah, that's very common, and then he
was taken off, I mean earlier this week.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
That was a report of you and if you killed
your wife this afternoon, you'd be placed on suicide watch
this afternoon. I mean, it's pretty common that that happens.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
That is going to be one of those things though,
that I would assume is brought up in the event
that they do use or try to use mental health
as part of the defense. Now we know also that
there had been nine to one one calls that were
made to the home in the for several years. I
mean one that goes back until to twenty nineteen. The
(15:10):
February of twenty nineteen, they were called to do a
welfare check there. September of that same year another mental
health related call for a man who was not identified,
but officers later told a supervisor they didn't find any
indication of actual mental illness.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
We talked about the need to be successful with a
mental illness defense. It's not just as simple as saying
you have a mental illness. You could make the argument
that anybody who takes the life of another person is
mentally ill in some way in some capacity.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
That is obvious.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
You don't kill somebody if you're all there together in
your head.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
What is timing.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
No.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
To be successful, you have to prove that you did
not know right from wrong at the time of the murders.
And unfortunately, in this case, for me as a juror,
if I was one, him leaving the scene right away
is knowing he did something wrong, knowing right from wrong,
him changing his clothes, checking into a motel, all of
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these things that we already know have been entered into
evidence because they've been in police reports. Those are all
to me signs that he knew right from wrong. And
that is the key to being successful with this defense.
If the jury is going to follow the law, that's
what the law says, you have to prove that they
did not know right from wrong in that act, Like
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do you.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Have to be that crazy to get away with the crazy?
It's almost like if he had done it and then
stayed yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Then had made popcorn while the body's rotted upstairs. Unfortunately,
that's a better move post homicide for you. If you're
going to plead guilty by reason of insanity.
Speaker 6 (16:46):
Bring your own popcorn or make theirs I don't know,
or eat the carpet, and continue to be crazy. Don't
act like somebody is trying to hide a murder. Continue
to act crazy.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
We will talk a bit more about what's going on
the post fires. One year later, after January seventh, I
found the audio from this break one year ago, this
break being the ten thirty break. That's when you came
back and announced that we had the first reports of
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smoke in the hills above the Palisades. We had been
tipped off by somebody from driving through Santa Monica and
said that they could see the smoke coming from the
hills in the Palisades and lo and behold, it blew
up into what we now know was one of the
worst fires that we've seen in the history of the country.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Something blew up in the Nick Reiner case between the
family and defense attorney Alan Jackson.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
He is off the case.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
He just took to the microphones outside CCB in downtown
Los Angeles to explain at least what he could explain.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
And he said something at the beginning. I didn't catch it,
but it was that these were things that were out
of the control of him or Nick right, which to.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Me, to me means he got into it with the family.
There was a disagreement between Alan Jackson and the family.
Who knows what it was, if it was strategy, what
it was, because he seemed like he really wanted this case.
He said, you know, I have dropped everything every waking
hourspan spent on this case. Nick Reiner is innocent, blah
(18:31):
blah blah. It seems like he's pissed off. Alan Jackson
seemed pissed off behind that microphone, that this was out
of his control.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
That to me, the family pulled the plug on this
could have This is the last statement he made before
he walked away.
Speaker 7 (18:44):
Well we've learned, and you could take this to the bank.
Is it pursue it to the laws of this state.
Pursue it to the law in California. Nick Reiner is
not guilty of murder. Print that.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Print that so Alan Jackson so weak stream.
Speaker 7 (19:06):
We wish him the very very best moving forward and
that's all I have today, and then he.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Just turned his back. I remember, it's just a classic.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
I remember covering the Phil Spector murder trial and his
closing argument. We all wish that we could tell Lana
Clarkson before she left the club that night with Phil Spector,
don't go, don't go. And he was whispering, and a
grown man whispering to a crowded courtroom is as crapy
as one can get.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
But his was reminiscent of don't go. Print that.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
So we'll find out, I guess, or maybe we won't.
I'm certain we will, though, because these things find a
way of seeing daylight of what happened, why they removed
a very expensive, very high profile attorney.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
And the family statement didn't really say much right now.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
That was again, let's see here it said they issued
it to the New York Time. I lost it now,
but something to the effect of, we were not going
to say anything. Yeah, okay, here it is. A spokes
person for the Reiner family release a statement saying they
have the utmost trust in the legal process and will
(20:18):
not comment further on matters related to the legal proceedings.
A source told The New York Times the change had
nothing to do with Allan's performance, and that he had
been a pro That sounds like it came from Alan
Jackson's people. The fact that he had to say in
front of the microphones, I got a call in December
(20:38):
fifteenth and I dropped everything. And every waking hour has
been spent. Seems like doth protests too much.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Yeah, you know who knows.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
We mentioned a little bit yesterday about the Mickey Rourke
Instagram post.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
We talked it.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
This week has been dominated and shouldn't say that word
has included some weird, weirdly personal knowledge of Mickey Rourke
who somehow got way behind on his rent or stopped
paying rent because of a conflict with landlords, something like that.
So one of his managers or management team put up
(21:19):
a GoFundMe page to the tune of when we saw
it first on Tuesday or Monday morning, I think it
was to the tune of like seventy thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Well, it's well up around one hundred thousand now.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
There were people that were donating five and six and
seven thousand dollars to his account. He took to Instagram
and said he had no idea what that was all about.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
If something's come up that I'm really frustrated, confused, and
I don't understand somebody set up some kind of foundation
or fund for me to donate money, like like charity,
and that that's not me. Okay, I'd rather if I
(22:08):
give you money, I wouldn't ask for no charity. I'd
rather stick a gun.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Up my ass and pull the trigger. Well, I never
did this.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
I don't know if they did it, why they did it.
I don't understand it. I wouldn't know what a go
fund foundation is in a million years.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
I hope those dogs are very simple.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
I don't go to outside sources like that. And yeah,
it is embarrassing, but you know, I'm sure I'll get
over it, like anything else.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Sure everything else. I can see that where you went
want somebody.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
Done a really terreful job in managing my career. I
wasn't very diplomatic.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
You know.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
I had to go to over twenty years of therapy
to get over the damage that was done to me
years ago.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
And listen, he's a very honest guy. He's like, he's
still very likable. But I love I've never heard that phrase.
You've here a lot of I'd rather than I'd rather
but you've never heard I'd rather stick a gun up
my at.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
I don't know if I can say that the I mean,
that's pretty graphic.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Apparently the.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Management team has confirmed that he declined the money, so
donations have been paused. I don't know what the plan is, Like,
you can get refunds, I mean, go fund me will
refund the money.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
But I meant to tell you this. I was reading
my People magazine.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
As one is wont to do right sure in their
bubble bath, right, and you're taking a momentary breakaway from
football thoughts for a moment, right, okay?
Speaker 1 (23:41):
And there were in the first page of People magazine
there's quotes from celebrities on like whatever's topical, And one
of the quotes was from somebody, an actor that I
don't know now and I'm gonna have to go back
and look at it, but he said that his hobby
is to stay up late at night, go on go
fund me and pay people's medical bills.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
So we were just talking about asking about that. You
were like, is there somebody, are there people that do
this that?
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Just because you were.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Talking about the number of the crazy number of people
that nobody's you know that you don't know that posts
their medical issues on GoFundMe. And I was wondering, like,
is there people that just do this that'm just go
and go fund me to pay?
Speaker 3 (24:18):
He exactly does.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
That, and that there are suggestions from go fund me,
Oh that you get that. How do you to Here's
how you get some more money. Make sure it's a
personal appeal, sure that you you know, give details and
things like that.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
That's like when we were buying a house and this
was now twelve years ago, thirteen years ago, longer than that,
I don't remember, but.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
The realtor said, you got to put a.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Picture in a bio and I'm like, what what are
you talking about? How about just money talk? How about
we have money to buy said property? What more do
you need? It's like, oh, well, it's competitive. They want
to know who you are and see a picture.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
And I thought that was the most ridiculous thing ever.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
When we just sold a house that my parents owned,
it came down to the letters the two buyers that
wanted to make offers on the house, and they included
letters for it. Isn't that incredible that that comes to that? Yeah,
I mean it's but I think it's a good it's
an acknowledgment that it's much more than just a business transaction.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
It's like, you know when we were when you got
told that you should go pal around with the salespeople
and sit on their lap and we said, doesn't the
show speak for itself? And we were told no, they
need Gary lap time.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
So I gluted it up a little bit.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
They're damn right, you did deep squats and.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
We're still here. Yeah, and I appreciate you doing that.
I really do free pressed hams for everybody. I really do.
Gary h what a ham? Well can thank you. We'll continue.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
The report that Ice agents were involved in a shoe
in Minneapolis. Maybe some protesting, maybe some rioting. This is
all accounts from the scene that have been unverified. Woman
apparently using her car against Ice agents. Now the mayor
is saying that that's bloney, that this was using a
stronger term, that that was not the situation, that there
(26:20):
was not them acting in self defense. I was just
trying to find some footage of the actual event, because
it seems there's footage of everything everywhere these days. But
the mayor saying, I have a message for Ice, get
the f out of Minneapolis.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
There are reports that the victim, the woman, was not
charging at them with her vehicle.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah, there's a million cameras everywhere, and there would have
been cameras in.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
The I think I just found some, but I am not.
It's not confirmed, but yeah, so I won't even.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
One of the things that we're doing today, obviously, is
remembering what happened a year ago or started, I should
say a year ago, and residents down in the Palisades
right now are rallying to demand accountability at an event
called they Let Us Burn our Own. Heather Brooker is
down there along the Palisades to give us an update
(27:21):
on what's going on today.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Heather, what's going on?
Speaker 8 (27:23):
Hi, Good morning, Jerry and Channon. So yes, I am
here at the Palisades village where hundreds of people have gathered.
I don't know if you can hear right now, but
there is a drum circle happening. There is a Native
American drum circle. It is from the Global Empowerment Mission.
A few moments ago they had a bell ringing and
(27:44):
they named off each of the twelve people who were
killed in the Palisades fire. You know, I have to
say that this is quite a bit different. I was
in Altadena earlier this morning and it was very subdued,
very quiet this morning in Altadena. Here there is a
lot more renewed passions. People are very uh. I don't
(28:06):
want to stay excited, but they certainly is. There's a
lot more energy company here, and there's some speakers that
are gonna be talking here a moment, including Mighty montag
is one of them. So one of the reasons the
demonstration is happening, as you guys have been talking about.
They they say they have ten bowls here. They wanted
to a sales tax on what you built city at hermands,
(28:28):
the ul A holidays those five years, no property fact
on dwellings, amongst other things.
Speaker 9 (28:34):
But before we get too.
Speaker 8 (28:35):
Farther into that, I want to I want to introduce
you guys to a couple of people I just met here.
I've got Andrea and Kevin with me, and they're here
gonna they're gonna tell us what they're doing there today.
So can you guys tell me why are you starting
come out today?
Speaker 9 (28:49):
Well, we spent a year since the fire, when we
came back here to I'll participate and support the community
and coming back. We moved back into the Palaces about
two weeks ago, and uh, we're getting used to the
new reality here in town.
Speaker 8 (29:07):
And Andrea, how are you feeling today? And what is
this demonstration not for you?
Speaker 7 (29:10):
So far?
Speaker 10 (29:11):
I came to support all of the families that lost everything,
especially here in the party says, so many of our
friends lost everything. I'm here to support them and to
give you know, strength, if possible, that we can we
can rise from all this and then we can rebuild.
And we want to rebuild this beautiful town that is
completely burnt. So I'm here with a lot of grat
(29:34):
is also because we must. We moved back to our
home two weeks ago, and I'm here just to you know,
to cheer them up that we can do this.
Speaker 8 (29:42):
That does seem to be a sentiment. A lot of
people are saying, Kevin and Andrea, thank you so much.
That is a sentiment You're engine and that a lot
of people I've spoken to so far have said they
they want to rebuild, but they also want accountability. And
that's what we're seeing a lot of that passion coming
from today.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
So accountability, I'm assuming this means getting money back from
whatever entity has been from sued because of the destruction,
or that the amount of destruction. Is there frustration that
people have not been able to move back into their
homes because money hasn't been freed up too much red
tape specifically, what has been the problem with rebuilding thus far.
Speaker 8 (30:23):
Well, I think that the frustration that they're having with
wanting accountability is just for somebody to say, hey, we
screwed up. We did not handle this properly, we did
not do what we needed to do. I think, honestly,
that would be the first start in a situation like
this to let people start moving forward and have the
healing process. You know, earlier when I was in Altadena,
(30:45):
one of the homeowners I spoke with THEIRS said they
want so Cal Edison to admit their role in the
Eaten fire. I think right now, you know, when I
came first came up, there was definitely more subdued. Like
I said, they had the moment of silence. The musicians
were playing. Now the speakers are starting to take the stage.
There's a lot of signs we have completely everything's taken
(31:09):
over the square here if you will, in the Palisades village.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Well, it's just going to get it.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
I can't imagine what this day is like for people
that went through that. And like you said, I mean
there are people that are coming back, but the reality
of life in the pali Stades is different and will
be different for a decade or more.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
We'll see. Heather, thank you for your stuff. Appreciate it, Luly.
Speaker 8 (31:33):
Yeah, thank you guys, Heather.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Brooker there live in the Palisade.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I mean, the bitch of it is is nobody's gonna
say we did something wrong. You can't do that any
liability wise. That means you have to write fat checks,
you bankrupt yourself in your company or your city, or
your department or what have you. When you say we
were wrong, we were at fault. Unfortunately, that's just the
way it goes. And yes, there were a number of
(32:01):
problems with the preparation, with the response, with the mismanagement
even at the fire department level. Blame leadership or what
have you. But this was also a monster ass fire.
The conditions were ridiculous, and we talked about it. We
talked about it on you know, Monday of that week
(32:23):
about with the way the winds were coming down off
the mountains and the heat they were facing on the
floor and what that meant in terms of science and
fire science. This thing took off way too fast, way
too fast.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah, And when we talked with Jacob sober Off earlier,
I asked him, what was there one specific misstep or
miscalculation or you know, thing that wasn't done that maybe
stood out to him, And it was just a matter
of there's not one thing that would have made enough
of a difference that okay, So instead of you know,
a few thousand homes lost, we had fifteen hunds homes
(33:00):
lost or something like that.
Speaker 10 (33:01):
I mean, the.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Reservoir up there, obviously is the main point of contention,
or one of the main points of contention, that if
that thing had been filled, what it may have been
a chance, Yes, yes, there is a chance it would
have made a difference. But this was a massive firestorm
with or without that thing being full.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
And then add insult to injury, the ineptitude at various
different levels. Right, Okay, when we come back, we will
get into what's going on in Minneapolis, and it's not good.
I'll tell you that Ice agents reportedly shot and killed
a woman.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Their story was.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
This was a protest riot situation, she was using her
car against them. Video from the scene shows otherwise, and
this is already exploded.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
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