December 3, 2025 • 25 mins
Gary and Shannon recap a hugely successful KFI PastaThon, celebrating an incredible $955,480 raised along with 92,406 pounds of pasta and sauce donated to help families in need. Then the show shifts to growing tensions overseas, as recent strikes on drug-running vessels ignite controversy for the Department of War following a second attack at sea. A mix of community triumph and international scrutiny in one packed episode.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
It's not over.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Oh it's not over. I mean Pastathon, it's not over.
Oh when is the cutoff? Well, well never really.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Technically no, right, whatever, But yesterday during our Pastathon broadcast
at the Anaheim White House Restaurant, we raised nine hundred
and fifty five thousand, four hundred and eighty dollars. Wow,
just shy, I have a million dollars and it's still
coming in. We still have all the all the donations
coming in. Gotta get there finals.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Yeah, we got to.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Get art and finals, smart and finals, Smarten, finals from
WILDFKD foods of course coming in from the Wendy's. All
of that stuff still to be tallied, so we could
easily we could easily eclipse last year's final numbers of
one point three million. We already have more pasta and
sauce than we did last year, at ninety two thousand
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pounds of pasta and saw all of it, of course
to benefit Katerina's Club, Chef Bruno's charity that's been around
for twenty years. This was our fifteenth pastathon that we
did yesterday.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
Now, I.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Really did think that John Colebelt's furry costume was gonna
be full body.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
I did too.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
I felt I felt a little.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Cheated the picture that we saw. I thought it was
a fact.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
I did too.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
I did too, And I'm not going to go back
and look at it. But when I glimpsed at it,
when we were both shown that, I thought it was
going to be full body furry, which is what I
was gearing up for.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
You looked at it through your fingers. It was scary movie.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Yeah, it was a little tame down.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
It was still very troubling, still very troubling from what
I saw. And it was the way that John was
walking that was the most troubling part. You know, I
don't know if he had trouble with the feet or
the tail or all of it or all of it
of it.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
It probably got once you get into your head like that,
it's probably hard to move the body once.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
You get what in your head. I mean just that
you're a furry.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
What you're doing?
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Yeah, what you're doing? How did I get here in life?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Right? You know?
Speaker 4 (02:03):
John's like what you know, middle aged?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Right?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (02:07):
And he's putting on this costume and he's singing to himself.
When I was a little boy and I thought what
I wanted to be when I grew up and how
I wanted to provide for my family. Did it entail
becoming a furry in middle age?
Speaker 2 (02:19):
See? It did not. And you think about the career.
I think about his career.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
He's been in radio for forty years, Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
And you know started as a music DJ. Probably FM.
I mean everybody was FM at one point.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I mean John and Ken show national prominence, absolutely, and
here he is wearing a furry costume in Anaheim. Well,
I mean it's kind of the same way you must
have thought when you put on the white halter dress
and did a lap dance for Conway his birthday at Morongo.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Kind of.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
But I will say this, I had that packed before
I realized that I was going to use it. Had
what packed the dress? Ah, I had brought it for
the weekend. I didn't realize that everybody was going to
see it.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
But I had it.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
So we don't need to know everything about what goes
on with you and your wife. Okay, you know you
can keep your blessed union secret.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Oh you think she likes she you think she's into that.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
I don't know. I don't this to stop. I don't know.
Did I tell you? No, I didn't tell you. That's
an overshare. Never mind. But anyway, congratulations.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
To you know what that was going to be.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
I'll tell you at another those time.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Yes, congratulations to everybody. We had a great team out
there working. Of course Bruno and his team was out there,
but we had an incredible promotions team that was out there.
And of course all of this rests on the shoulders
of Michelle Cube, who found Chef Bruno, found Katerina's club
and brought it to KFI and brought KFI to Chef
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Bruno fifteen years ago and puts it.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
All together every year. I mean, from top to bottom.
When you just think of you know, six percent of
what goes on for this day, it's overwhelming, and she
does all of it.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
And listen, some people were saying to us yesterday, thanks
for doing this.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
We did.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
All we do is say yes, we show up whatever
Michelle asks of us.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
If we just say yes, we're awful.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
And we were off for a week before so we
didn't even push it as as much as I like to.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
But yeah, no, we did very We did nothing. We
could do more.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
By the way, the Smart and Final stores and the
Wendy's locations are still taking donations through Sunday night. All
of the giving machine locations we talked about, the kiosks
where you can give just right there on this big screen,
locations in Huntington Beach, San Clemente, San Diego, Riverside. They're
going to be taking donations through basically the end of
the month. It's actually the thirtieth. But again, almost a
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million dollars raised just yesterday, ninety two thousand pounds of
pasta and sauce. And the donations are still so if
you didn't get a chance to get out there, you
missed a great time, but you can still give and
feel good about it.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
This boat strike continues to dominate the conversation on Capitol
Hill and beyond. Pete haig Seth now Seeing says he
did not see survivors of the boat strike that were
then struck again because of quote here, the fog of war.
We'll get into all the latest. This is becoming a
big mess.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
Am six forty.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
A couple stories we're following.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Republican Matt Van Epps won the special US House election
for Tennessee's as fighting seventh district yesterday over Democrat Afton Baine.
It was closer than it was not as close as
some had expected. It was about a nine percentage point win.
But when you consider that President Trump won that district
by twenty two percentage points just last year, then it's
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kind of a surprise. More bad news for the Grand Canyon.
All of the park's hotels on the South Rim are
closing indefinitely to overnight visit as of Saturday. Apparently there
are the big fire there, the Dragon Bravo fire on
the North Rim.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
That sounds awful.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Dragon Bravo destroyed the Big Grand Canyon Lodge, the visitor center,
wastewater treatment plant, one hundred other buildings.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
So as of right now, as.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Of Saturday, I should say, the South RIM's hotels are
going to close because of some water supply issues and
Chris Paul gone.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Chris Paul dismissed from the Clippers.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
It's weird. It happened in the middle of the night.
No longer part of the team. Could they trade him,
I suppose, but it was a midnight move based that
the Clippers announced in the dark of winter.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
In the dark of September second, US forces conducted a
strike on a boat in the Caribbean suspected of smuggling drugs,
and then ordered a second strike after the first failed
to kill all of the people on board. This according
to a US official, a source familiar with the Pentagon,
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this boat was carrying a total of eleven individuals. Pentagon
said at the time of the strike, there were eleven
people on board. Since then, the US has conducted more
than twenty strikes some purported drug vessels it says are
carrying drugs from Venezuela, killing more than twenty eighty people.
Excuse me, there have been a lot of inquiries into
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the strikes. Some say this could constitute a war crime
if they struck this boat on the guise of it
is a terrorist boat. It is bringing over drugs, that's
going to kill people, okay, But then to go back
and strike to kill the remaining survivors if you know
there's survivors there. That is when they say you are
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in war crime territory.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Violation of the Geneva Convention. Because once you knock people
out of the battle. In this case, literally it says shipwrecked,
which these guys, I guess would qualify you are not
supposed to continue fighting. Now, the way it was discussed
originally was Pete hagg Seth said that the report in.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
The Washington Post from last week was fake news.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Now they're saying that it was Admiral Frank Bradley's call
to do this, not an order from Pete hagg Seth.
Now Pete haig Seth is saying, well, Bradley did it,
but it was also in the fog of war. This
is what he said yesterday in the big cabinet meeting.
Pete hagg Seth watched that first strike life as you
can imagine the Department of War.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
We got a lot of things to do, so I
didn't stick around for the hour and two hours.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Whatever where all the sensitive side exploitation digitally occurs.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
So I moved on to my next meeting.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
A couple of hours later, I learned that that commander had.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Made the which he had the complete authority to do.
And by the way, Admiral Bradley.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Made the correct decision to ultimately sink the boat.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
And eliminate the threat.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
This guy former Navy seal, this Admiral Bradley. He will
be on Capitol Hill tomorrow to answer questions. But when
Pete haig Seth was asked after that in okay, so
you didn't see any of the survivors, right, So you
didn't see any survivors.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Should be clear after that first jot, I did not
personally see survivors, but I stand because the thing was
on fire, that was exploded.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
In fire and smoke, you can't see any digital This
is called the fog of war.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
This is what you and the press don't understand.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
There's something ironic that he did right after that as well,
as he pointed to the members of the media and said,
you guys sit behind your computers up on Capitol Hill.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
He came to trying to make judgment from the media.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Well he did, but also that's describing exactly what he
was doing as the Secretary of Defense was sitting behind
a computer watching what was going on.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
He just said that. He just said he was basically
doing math. Right now, now, I'm not going to it's
getting way too defensive.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
I know his post, but he's getting.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Almost too defensive for this doth protests too much, almost
in his tone.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Of voice, and I feel like his use of the term.
I'm not a military guy. I've never served, so I
will defer to people who have. But it seems like
his use of the term fog of war is not
quite appropriate in this con in this case because if
you talk about the fog of war, my image of
it is you are think of the death of Pat
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Tillman as an example, that was fog of war.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
That was confusion.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Because once human beings are in this utmost stressful time
they'll ever be in life and death, friendly fire, friendly
fire can happen. That is something that is the constitutes
or the use of the term fog of war.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Well, when we come back, we'll go back to exactly
what fog of war means. It's been attributed to Carl
von Klauss, which, of course the crush in general who
wrote the unfinished book called on War, published after he
died in eighteen thirty two. What does that mean and
does fog of war provide a defense against a war crime.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
We'll get into all that when we come back.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI Amzig.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Labor to markets slowed down. Labor to market labor markets
slowed down intensified. In November, private companies cut thirty two
thousand workers. The payroll processing firm ADP says the payrolls
decline marked a sharp step down from October. They saw
an upwardly revised gain of forty seven thousand positions in October,
but well below the consensus. They wanted an increase of
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forty thousand, but in fact saw a cut thirty two thousand.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
We are talking about this deadly US military attack on
a boat in the Caribbean, and Defense Secretary peg Pete
haigseeth excuse me, spoke yesterday about this, referring to the
fog of war, a phrase that's been used in war
planning for centuries. He set it a cabinet meeting in
the White House. I did not personally see the survivors,
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referring to the people who were clinging to the boat's wreckage.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Between two strikes.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
They went in with the first strike under the guise
of these were drug smugglers bringing drugs the United States,
that we're going to kill people here, We're going to
take this boat out. But then they went back and
Now the question is did they go back and kill
people knowing that there were survivors?
Speaker 4 (12:11):
That's not okay.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Obviously, if your gut saying I don't think that's okay,
you're right? That is that would that would classify as
a war crime if this was a war is the
other thing? Now, that's that's another question on the table.
They are claiming that this is terrorism bringing drugs over
into our country to kill people? Is their argument is
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is okay for us to go ahead and strike that boat?
And that that is Are they saying an act of
terrorism and an active war? Are they calling that them?
Speaker 3 (12:44):
So they are referring to these guys as enemy combatants? Yeah,
when they're dropping sidewinder missiles on these guys, that's they're saying.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
They're enemy combatants.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
And they and according to Pete Hegseth and President Trump,
they've got all of the legal backing that they need
from civilian and military lawyers that say that these are legal.
There's plenty of argument on the other side that said
that they are stretching the definitions of what would be
enemy combatant, combat war, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Well, and will that work against them if this is
deemed a war crime. Well, they want to go back
and say this isn't a war right, But then you know,
when you think about international war crime. Somebody had texted
us and said that a presidential pardon would not hold
up because Trump will partonim hag Seth anyway, even if
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you was brought up on any sort of charges or indictments.
But would a presidential pardon mean anything when it comes
to the Geneva Convention and a violation of Geneva. The
answer is no, it would mean nothing. But in order
to get there. For Pete haig Seth to be in trouble,
you have to go to the Department of Justice, whether
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it's Homeland Security investigations or whatever. A bunch of entities
in the United States that would never charge Pete Haigsath
with a war crime. This was a comment also that
we got, Hey.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
Guys, this is James from Phoenix. I'm sure this is
gonna piss somebody off. But about the second strike on
that drug boat Venezuela, the drug lords, the cartels, they
were all warned, if we see you, we are going
to kill you. Those two guys that survived had no
chance of surviving any longer than what they did, they
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were too far out in the ocean, they couldn't swim back.
They were all blown to bits. They've got vaporized. That
was kind to them.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Okay, Now there's a couple of things about that.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
I agree. Venezuela is a bad place. Drugs are bad.
Everything is bad.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
That's all bad.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
That does not give us, as does not give the
Secretary of Defense or the president, the legal ability to
go aft. Now again they're claiming that they do have
the legal right to do so. I don't know enough
about the law to say that they're breaking it or whatever.
But in terms of consistency, after this happened, this was
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back in September second, I believe, is when we're talking
about this double tap strike on this boat. In October,
something similar happened where they blew up another boat full
of narco traffickers, full of drugs, etc. And in that instance,
they rescued the two people that survived the initial hit
and repatriated them to their home countries.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
How did we find out about yes, and that's curious, right, Yeah,
how did we find out about this September second incident?
Was this something they were hoping to just sweep under
the rug and nobody ever finds out.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Well, again, we'd have to go back to the Washington Post,
the original report from last Friday that I think if
I had the number right, They cited five different anonymous
sources to clarify, and again their report was it was
Pete Hegsett's order to kill the survivors right now, and
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he claims that was that was fake news. He what
we know is he wanted it to be a lethal strike.
He okayed a lethal strike. Did he okay the second one?
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Well? And that's that's another question. A couple questions.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Number one, if you order the lethal strike, are you
shooting to kill? Are you you're not trying to get
an arm? You're shooting to kill. So if the job
is not done, you continue to fire until it is done.
The other question is with his defensive fog of war
on that second strike, can you argue fog of war
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if you're watching from behind that screen, You're not in
the arena, You're not the guy in the sky. You're
not you're not even the admiral who they're attributing this to. Right,
you are Pete haig Seth in Washington behind a television
screen or a laptop or whatever watching this, can you
argue fog of war?
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Listen?
Speaker 3 (16:55):
This is one of the reasons why I have I
have a very strong belief that I would love politicians,
higher level politicians, whether you're in Senate, in congressional leadership, president,
cabinet members, et cetera. I would love it if you
had military experience. And I know Pete Haggseth does. He
doesn't have as much as other members of the military do.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
But this is the kind of issue that I think.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Is important for politicians to have knowledge about, because if
you get somebody like I'm not going to name meate,
you get a senator or a member of Congress who
is sitting on a committee without having any sort of
military experiencing, grilling Admiral Bradley tomorrow about what exactly happened.
It frustrates me because that would be like me asking
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in the question, I don't know what I'm talking about
when it comes to these.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Things well, and it seems to me Pete haig Seth
doesn't either. One of the reasons you want that military experience,
at least in my opinion, is a because you got
the experience, you know how to handle these situations. Number two,
You know how to talk your way out of this
stuff when s blows up like it's blowing up right
now with this second strike. Guys that have military experience
or gals or what have you can talk their way
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out of it. He seems like a petulant child that's
pissed off he's being questioned about this.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
You put Colonel jessup on the stand. He can talk
his way out of this.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Is going to say, I want him on that wall.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
I need him on absolutely.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
So again, the admiral that they're talking about, Admiral Bradley,
is due on Capitol Hill tomorrow. He is supposed to
be answering questions from members of Congress in some closed
door meetings and hopefully some of this gets figured out.
This is not this is not a Republican Democrat thing.
This is not one side or the other, because both
sides of the aisle in Congress are saying that this
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is an important thing that we get to bottom of.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Also, in the next hour, we're going to be talking
about a topic that both sides agree on. Democrats and
the Trump administration. Isn't that wild. We're bringing people together today?
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Are we doing that?
Speaker 1 (18:54):
We're doing that. It's happening right now. It's going to
continue happening. Gary and Shannon will continue.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Gonna be Windy.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
We'll talk about the sant Ana wins coming up at
the top of the hour. Also, San Francisco, the city
of has now gotten into the game of suing over
ultra processed foods. Do you remember when the big soda
ban issue was a big deal a few years ago
about hyfrucos corn syrup and cities wanted to ban these
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giant sodas, and they wanted to put a limit on
how much you could drink, etc.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
It's kind of coming home to rust.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
I think a lot of people are starting to realize
that when younger and younger people are getting sicker and
sicker earlier and earlier, there's something going on.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Maybe this is part of it.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah, I had another question, just a base question here,
going back to the very base of this fight over
the boats or like in the Caribbean, we are blowing
up the boat because it is coming from Venezuela and
it is filled with drugs and people, right obstensibly because
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they are coming to this country to sell the drugs that.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Will kill our people.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Would we be cool with blowing up a U haul
coming across the border from Mexico with people in it
that had a bunch of drugs?
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Would be be cool with that?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Well?
Speaker 4 (20:30):
And if not? If not, what's the difference.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Part of why I think this is more acceptable in
general is that what we've seen is the very sanitized,
black and white, grainy footage that Pete haig Seth referred
to as like I couldn't see anybody.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
It's really it's all, you know, a bad video. I
think that that's that because.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
We can't see the people on the boat, We're okay
with it. Kind of isn't that bad?
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Fine? Yes, But I think that's part of what it is.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
The other thing is, listen, I don't Again, I'm not
making conclusions about that. I'm not saying that this is
illegal or it's legal. I don't know. It's not my
job to figure that out. I enjoy the fact that
we have an administration that is legitimately fighting against drug
trafficking in a way that has never been done before,
clearly firing a shot across the bow of other countries
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that would continue to feed off of the drug habits
of Americans and continue to kill people. I do not
want them to do that in an illegal way. So
if this turns out that it is illegal, we need
to stop it and we need to find a different
way to do that. But again, I don't know the
answers to all of these things. I'm trying to read
as much as I can, whether it's from former military lawyers,
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from current lawyers, civilian lawyers who have studied this kind
of thing. It's not a clear one way or the
other argument. And people who say, yeah, but there's you know,
selling drugs, they should be blown to bits, Okay, yes,
I agree, but is there I.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Don't Legally, I don't agree that if you're selling drugs
you should be blown to bits. Well, and I'm not
a bleeding heart liberal, I do not think then That's
one of my questions.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
How much drugs are we talking about?
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Right?
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Well?
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Was this a boat? Was this a ship? How big
was this boat? How much drugs are we talking about?
Is this something that's going to take out Ohio or
is this a thing that's going to, you know, make
some problems for people of Canton? Right like, what are
we talking about here?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
And that's why, that's.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Why I think that one of the reasons I would
support in general, what do you call it actions like this,
is that it is a shot across about. It doesn't
stop or cut off the flow of drugs into the
United States. I don't know how you do that entirely,
but if you can get some of the main suppliers
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to second guess what their operations are and how they're
doing it, maybe there is something there, Maybe there is
a positive there. Can we do it legally? Yes we can?
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Is this a legal thing? I have no idea, and.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
I feel like you just did to.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Anybody who can say with certainty that this is one
thousand percent legal.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I don't know how you do that.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
I just I just I'm not ready to make that
conclusion just yet.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Well, this will not be the last chapter.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
It'll be an ongoing conversation, I'm assuming, because like we mentioned,
there have been more than twenty strikes on purported drug
vessels since then since this one situation, where there may
they may have gone back with a second strike to
kill any survivors. And there's a reason why we didn't
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hear about it when it happened September second, And I
also will say this, I don't think we should hear
about everything. There's a lot of things that happened that
I'm learning about in the diplomat that we shouldn't know
about for this sake of peace.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Well, and there's probably, for one, the one thing that
we know about in this September second double tap, potentially
illegal strike, there's a hundred, Like to your point, there's
one hundred other things that went on that we don't
know about. What is going on in Venezuela right now.
We are not going to go in you know this threat.
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The President has said that we could potentially do land
strikes next. We don't do that without having boots on
the ground. We don't do that without having eyes in country.
We just don't do that. So how many men and
women right now are in harm's way in Venezuela setting
up what wouldever potentially be a land you know, land strikes,
a land invasion, whatever it is. We don't know what's
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going on.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Well, and we're talking about Venezuela. And let's not forget
that Vladimir putin the headline yesterday yesterday was he's ready
for war.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Yeah, this is.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
And that's an ally, so we'll get onto all of
this coming up in swamp Water.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Oh, can we do the school photos story as well?
Speaker 4 (25:00):
I am right, I can.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
That's a great.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
I'm sorry, it's a great. We'll do that when we
come back.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
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Speaker 3 (25:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
It's not over.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Oh it's not over. I mean Pastathon, it's not over.
Oh when is the cutoff? Well, well never really.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Technically no, right, whatever, But yesterday during our Pastathon broadcast
at the Anaheim White House Restaurant, we raised nine hundred
and fifty five thousand, four hundred and eighty dollars. Wow,
just shy, I have a million dollars and it's still
coming in. We still have all the all the donations
coming in. Gotta get there finals.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Yeah, we got to.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Get art and finals, smart and finals, Smarten, finals from
WILDFKD foods of course coming in from the Wendy's. All
of that stuff still to be tallied, so we could
easily we could easily eclipse last year's final numbers of
one point three million. We already have more pasta and
sauce than we did last year, at ninety two thousand
(00:58):
pounds of pasta and saw all of it, of course
to benefit Katerina's Club, Chef Bruno's charity that's been around
for twenty years. This was our fifteenth pastathon that we
did yesterday.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
Now, I.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Really did think that John Colebelt's furry costume was gonna
be full body.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
I did too.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
I felt I felt a little.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Cheated the picture that we saw. I thought it was
a fact.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
I did too.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
I did too, And I'm not going to go back
and look at it. But when I glimpsed at it,
when we were both shown that, I thought it was
going to be full body furry, which is what I
was gearing up for.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
You looked at it through your fingers. It was scary movie.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Yeah, it was a little tame down.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
It was still very troubling, still very troubling from what
I saw. And it was the way that John was
walking that was the most troubling part. You know, I
don't know if he had trouble with the feet or
the tail or all of it or all of it
of it.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
It probably got once you get into your head like that,
it's probably hard to move the body once.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
You get what in your head. I mean just that
you're a furry.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
What you're doing?
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Yeah, what you're doing? How did I get here in life?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Right? You know?
Speaker 4 (02:03):
John's like what you know, middle aged?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Right?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (02:07):
And he's putting on this costume and he's singing to himself.
When I was a little boy and I thought what
I wanted to be when I grew up and how
I wanted to provide for my family. Did it entail
becoming a furry in middle age?
Speaker 2 (02:19):
See? It did not. And you think about the career.
I think about his career.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
He's been in radio for forty years, Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
And you know started as a music DJ. Probably FM.
I mean everybody was FM at one point.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I mean John and Ken show national prominence, absolutely, and
here he is wearing a furry costume in Anaheim. Well,
I mean it's kind of the same way you must
have thought when you put on the white halter dress
and did a lap dance for Conway his birthday at Morongo.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Kind of.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
But I will say this, I had that packed before
I realized that I was going to use it. Had
what packed the dress? Ah, I had brought it for
the weekend. I didn't realize that everybody was going to
see it.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
But I had it.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
So we don't need to know everything about what goes
on with you and your wife. Okay, you know you
can keep your blessed union secret.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Oh you think she likes she you think she's into that.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
I don't know. I don't this to stop. I don't know.
Did I tell you? No, I didn't tell you. That's
an overshare. Never mind. But anyway, congratulations.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
To you know what that was going to be.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
I'll tell you at another those time.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Yes, congratulations to everybody. We had a great team out
there working. Of course Bruno and his team was out there,
but we had an incredible promotions team that was out there.
And of course all of this rests on the shoulders
of Michelle Cube, who found Chef Bruno, found Katerina's club
and brought it to KFI and brought KFI to Chef
(03:47):
Bruno fifteen years ago and puts it.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
All together every year. I mean, from top to bottom.
When you just think of you know, six percent of
what goes on for this day, it's overwhelming, and she
does all of it.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
And listen, some people were saying to us yesterday, thanks
for doing this.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
We did.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
All we do is say yes, we show up whatever
Michelle asks of us.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
If we just say yes, we're awful.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
And we were off for a week before so we
didn't even push it as as much as I like to.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
But yeah, no, we did very We did nothing. We
could do more.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
By the way, the Smart and Final stores and the
Wendy's locations are still taking donations through Sunday night. All
of the giving machine locations we talked about, the kiosks
where you can give just right there on this big screen,
locations in Huntington Beach, San Clemente, San Diego, Riverside. They're
going to be taking donations through basically the end of
the month. It's actually the thirtieth. But again, almost a
(04:43):
million dollars raised just yesterday, ninety two thousand pounds of
pasta and sauce. And the donations are still so if
you didn't get a chance to get out there, you
missed a great time, but you can still give and
feel good about it.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
This boat strike continues to dominate the conversation on Capitol
Hill and beyond. Pete haig Seth now Seeing says he
did not see survivors of the boat strike that were
then struck again because of quote here, the fog of war.
We'll get into all the latest. This is becoming a
big mess.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
Am six forty.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
A couple stories we're following.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Republican Matt Van Epps won the special US House election
for Tennessee's as fighting seventh district yesterday over Democrat Afton Baine.
It was closer than it was not as close as
some had expected. It was about a nine percentage point win.
But when you consider that President Trump won that district
by twenty two percentage points just last year, then it's
(05:50):
kind of a surprise. More bad news for the Grand Canyon.
All of the park's hotels on the South Rim are
closing indefinitely to overnight visit as of Saturday. Apparently there
are the big fire there, the Dragon Bravo fire on
the North Rim.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
That sounds awful.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Dragon Bravo destroyed the Big Grand Canyon Lodge, the visitor center,
wastewater treatment plant, one hundred other buildings.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
So as of right now, as.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Of Saturday, I should say, the South RIM's hotels are
going to close because of some water supply issues and
Chris Paul gone.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Chris Paul dismissed from the Clippers.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
It's weird. It happened in the middle of the night.
No longer part of the team. Could they trade him,
I suppose, but it was a midnight move based that
the Clippers announced in the dark of winter.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
In the dark of September second, US forces conducted a
strike on a boat in the Caribbean suspected of smuggling drugs,
and then ordered a second strike after the first failed
to kill all of the people on board. This according
to a US official, a source familiar with the Pentagon,
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this boat was carrying a total of eleven individuals. Pentagon
said at the time of the strike, there were eleven
people on board. Since then, the US has conducted more
than twenty strikes some purported drug vessels it says are
carrying drugs from Venezuela, killing more than twenty eighty people.
Excuse me, there have been a lot of inquiries into
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the strikes. Some say this could constitute a war crime
if they struck this boat on the guise of it
is a terrorist boat. It is bringing over drugs, that's
going to kill people, okay, But then to go back
and strike to kill the remaining survivors if you know
there's survivors there. That is when they say you are
(07:42):
in war crime territory.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Violation of the Geneva Convention. Because once you knock people
out of the battle. In this case, literally it says shipwrecked,
which these guys, I guess would qualify you are not
supposed to continue fighting. Now, the way it was discussed
originally was Pete hagg Seth said that the report in.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
The Washington Post from last week was fake news.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Now they're saying that it was Admiral Frank Bradley's call
to do this, not an order from Pete hagg Seth.
Now Pete haig Seth is saying, well, Bradley did it,
but it was also in the fog of war. This
is what he said yesterday in the big cabinet meeting.
Pete hagg Seth watched that first strike life as you
can imagine the Department of War.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
We got a lot of things to do, so I
didn't stick around for the hour and two hours.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Whatever where all the sensitive side exploitation digitally occurs.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
So I moved on to my next meeting.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
A couple of hours later, I learned that that commander had.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Made the which he had the complete authority to do.
And by the way, Admiral Bradley.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Made the correct decision to ultimately sink the boat.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
And eliminate the threat.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
This guy former Navy seal, this Admiral Bradley. He will
be on Capitol Hill tomorrow to answer questions. But when
Pete haig Seth was asked after that in okay, so
you didn't see any of the survivors, right, So you
didn't see any survivors.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Should be clear after that first jot, I did not
personally see survivors, but I stand because the thing was
on fire, that was exploded.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
In fire and smoke, you can't see any digital This
is called the fog of war.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
This is what you and the press don't understand.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
There's something ironic that he did right after that as well,
as he pointed to the members of the media and said,
you guys sit behind your computers up on Capitol Hill.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
He came to trying to make judgment from the media.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Well he did, but also that's describing exactly what he
was doing as the Secretary of Defense was sitting behind
a computer watching what was going on.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
He just said that. He just said he was basically
doing math. Right now, now, I'm not going to it's
getting way too defensive.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
I know his post, but he's getting.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Almost too defensive for this doth protests too much, almost
in his tone.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Of voice, and I feel like his use of the term.
I'm not a military guy. I've never served, so I
will defer to people who have. But it seems like
his use of the term fog of war is not
quite appropriate in this con in this case because if
you talk about the fog of war, my image of
it is you are think of the death of Pat
(10:15):
Tillman as an example, that was fog of war.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
That was confusion.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Because once human beings are in this utmost stressful time
they'll ever be in life and death, friendly fire, friendly
fire can happen. That is something that is the constitutes
or the use of the term fog of war.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Well, when we come back, we'll go back to exactly
what fog of war means. It's been attributed to Carl
von Klauss, which, of course the crush in general who
wrote the unfinished book called on War, published after he
died in eighteen thirty two. What does that mean and
does fog of war provide a defense against a war crime.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
We'll get into all that when we come back.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI Amzig.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Labor to markets slowed down. Labor to market labor markets
slowed down intensified. In November, private companies cut thirty two
thousand workers. The payroll processing firm ADP says the payrolls
decline marked a sharp step down from October. They saw
an upwardly revised gain of forty seven thousand positions in October,
but well below the consensus. They wanted an increase of
(11:24):
forty thousand, but in fact saw a cut thirty two thousand.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
We are talking about this deadly US military attack on
a boat in the Caribbean, and Defense Secretary peg Pete
haigseeth excuse me, spoke yesterday about this, referring to the
fog of war, a phrase that's been used in war
planning for centuries. He set it a cabinet meeting in
the White House. I did not personally see the survivors,
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referring to the people who were clinging to the boat's wreckage.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Between two strikes.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
They went in with the first strike under the guise
of these were drug smugglers bringing drugs the United States,
that we're going to kill people here, We're going to
take this boat out. But then they went back and
Now the question is did they go back and kill
people knowing that there were survivors?
Speaker 4 (12:11):
That's not okay.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Obviously, if your gut saying I don't think that's okay,
you're right? That is that would that would classify as
a war crime if this was a war is the
other thing? Now, that's that's another question on the table.
They are claiming that this is terrorism bringing drugs over
into our country to kill people? Is their argument is
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is okay for us to go ahead and strike that boat?
And that that is Are they saying an act of
terrorism and an active war? Are they calling that them?
Speaker 3 (12:44):
So they are referring to these guys as enemy combatants? Yeah,
when they're dropping sidewinder missiles on these guys, that's they're saying.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
They're enemy combatants.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
And they and according to Pete Hegseth and President Trump,
they've got all of the legal backing that they need
from civilian and military lawyers that say that these are legal.
There's plenty of argument on the other side that said
that they are stretching the definitions of what would be
enemy combatant, combat war, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Well, and will that work against them if this is
deemed a war crime. Well, they want to go back
and say this isn't a war right, But then you know,
when you think about international war crime. Somebody had texted
us and said that a presidential pardon would not hold
up because Trump will partonim hag Seth anyway, even if
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you was brought up on any sort of charges or indictments.
But would a presidential pardon mean anything when it comes
to the Geneva Convention and a violation of Geneva. The
answer is no, it would mean nothing. But in order
to get there. For Pete haig Seth to be in trouble,
you have to go to the Department of Justice, whether
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it's Homeland Security investigations or whatever. A bunch of entities
in the United States that would never charge Pete Haigsath
with a war crime. This was a comment also that
we got, Hey.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
Guys, this is James from Phoenix. I'm sure this is
gonna piss somebody off. But about the second strike on
that drug boat Venezuela, the drug lords, the cartels, they
were all warned, if we see you, we are going
to kill you. Those two guys that survived had no
chance of surviving any longer than what they did, they
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were too far out in the ocean, they couldn't swim back.
They were all blown to bits. They've got vaporized. That
was kind to them.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Okay, Now there's a couple of things about that.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
I agree. Venezuela is a bad place. Drugs are bad.
Everything is bad.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
That's all bad.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
That does not give us, as does not give the
Secretary of Defense or the president, the legal ability to
go aft. Now again they're claiming that they do have
the legal right to do so. I don't know enough
about the law to say that they're breaking it or whatever.
But in terms of consistency, after this happened, this was
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back in September second, I believe, is when we're talking
about this double tap strike on this boat. In October,
something similar happened where they blew up another boat full
of narco traffickers, full of drugs, etc. And in that instance,
they rescued the two people that survived the initial hit
and repatriated them to their home countries.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
How did we find out about yes, and that's curious, right, Yeah,
how did we find out about this September second incident?
Was this something they were hoping to just sweep under
the rug and nobody ever finds out.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Well, again, we'd have to go back to the Washington Post,
the original report from last Friday that I think if
I had the number right, They cited five different anonymous
sources to clarify, and again their report was it was
Pete Hegsett's order to kill the survivors right now, and
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he claims that was that was fake news. He what
we know is he wanted it to be a lethal strike.
He okayed a lethal strike. Did he okay the second one?
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Well? And that's that's another question. A couple questions.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Number one, if you order the lethal strike, are you
shooting to kill? Are you you're not trying to get
an arm? You're shooting to kill. So if the job
is not done, you continue to fire until it is done.
The other question is with his defensive fog of war
on that second strike, can you argue fog of war
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if you're watching from behind that screen, You're not in
the arena, You're not the guy in the sky. You're
not you're not even the admiral who they're attributing this to. Right,
you are Pete haig Seth in Washington behind a television
screen or a laptop or whatever watching this, can you
argue fog of war?
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Listen?
Speaker 3 (16:55):
This is one of the reasons why I have I
have a very strong belief that I would love politicians,
higher level politicians, whether you're in Senate, in congressional leadership, president,
cabinet members, et cetera. I would love it if you
had military experience. And I know Pete Haggseth does. He
doesn't have as much as other members of the military do.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
But this is the kind of issue that I think.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Is important for politicians to have knowledge about, because if
you get somebody like I'm not going to name meate,
you get a senator or a member of Congress who
is sitting on a committee without having any sort of
military experiencing, grilling Admiral Bradley tomorrow about what exactly happened.
It frustrates me because that would be like me asking
(17:42):
in the question, I don't know what I'm talking about
when it comes to these.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Things well, and it seems to me Pete haig Seth
doesn't either. One of the reasons you want that military experience,
at least in my opinion, is a because you got
the experience, you know how to handle these situations. Number two,
You know how to talk your way out of this
stuff when s blows up like it's blowing up right
now with this second strike. Guys that have military experience
or gals or what have you can talk their way
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out of it. He seems like a petulant child that's
pissed off he's being questioned about this.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
You put Colonel jessup on the stand. He can talk
his way out of this.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Is going to say, I want him on that wall.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
I need him on absolutely.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
So again, the admiral that they're talking about, Admiral Bradley,
is due on Capitol Hill tomorrow. He is supposed to
be answering questions from members of Congress in some closed
door meetings and hopefully some of this gets figured out.
This is not this is not a Republican Democrat thing.
This is not one side or the other, because both
sides of the aisle in Congress are saying that this
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is an important thing that we get to bottom of.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Also, in the next hour, we're going to be talking
about a topic that both sides agree on. Democrats and
the Trump administration. Isn't that wild. We're bringing people together today?
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Are we doing that?
Speaker 1 (18:54):
We're doing that. It's happening right now. It's going to
continue happening. Gary and Shannon will continue.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Gonna be Windy.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
We'll talk about the sant Ana wins coming up at
the top of the hour. Also, San Francisco, the city
of has now gotten into the game of suing over
ultra processed foods. Do you remember when the big soda
ban issue was a big deal a few years ago
about hyfrucos corn syrup and cities wanted to ban these
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giant sodas, and they wanted to put a limit on
how much you could drink, etc.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
It's kind of coming home to rust.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
I think a lot of people are starting to realize
that when younger and younger people are getting sicker and
sicker earlier and earlier, there's something going on.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Maybe this is part of it.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah, I had another question, just a base question here,
going back to the very base of this fight over
the boats or like in the Caribbean, we are blowing
up the boat because it is coming from Venezuela and
it is filled with drugs and people, right obstensibly because
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they are coming to this country to sell the drugs that.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Will kill our people.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Would we be cool with blowing up a U haul
coming across the border from Mexico with people in it
that had a bunch of drugs?
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Would be be cool with that?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Well?
Speaker 4 (20:30):
And if not? If not, what's the difference.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Part of why I think this is more acceptable in
general is that what we've seen is the very sanitized,
black and white, grainy footage that Pete haig Seth referred
to as like I couldn't see anybody.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
It's really it's all, you know, a bad video. I
think that that's that because.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
We can't see the people on the boat, We're okay
with it. Kind of isn't that bad?
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Fine? Yes, But I think that's part of what it is.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
The other thing is, listen, I don't Again, I'm not
making conclusions about that. I'm not saying that this is
illegal or it's legal. I don't know. It's not my
job to figure that out. I enjoy the fact that
we have an administration that is legitimately fighting against drug
trafficking in a way that has never been done before,
clearly firing a shot across the bow of other countries
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that would continue to feed off of the drug habits
of Americans and continue to kill people. I do not
want them to do that in an illegal way. So
if this turns out that it is illegal, we need
to stop it and we need to find a different
way to do that. But again, I don't know the
answers to all of these things. I'm trying to read
as much as I can, whether it's from former military lawyers,
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from current lawyers, civilian lawyers who have studied this kind
of thing. It's not a clear one way or the
other argument. And people who say, yeah, but there's you know,
selling drugs, they should be blown to bits, Okay, yes,
I agree, but is there I.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Don't Legally, I don't agree that if you're selling drugs
you should be blown to bits. Well, and I'm not
a bleeding heart liberal, I do not think then That's
one of my questions.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
How much drugs are we talking about?
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Right?
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Well?
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Was this a boat? Was this a ship? How big
was this boat? How much drugs are we talking about?
Is this something that's going to take out Ohio or
is this a thing that's going to, you know, make
some problems for people of Canton? Right like, what are
we talking about here?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
And that's why, that's.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Why I think that one of the reasons I would
support in general, what do you call it actions like this,
is that it is a shot across about. It doesn't
stop or cut off the flow of drugs into the
United States. I don't know how you do that entirely,
but if you can get some of the main suppliers
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to second guess what their operations are and how they're
doing it, maybe there is something there, Maybe there is
a positive there. Can we do it legally? Yes we can?
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Is this a legal thing? I have no idea, and.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
I feel like you just did to.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Anybody who can say with certainty that this is one
thousand percent legal.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I don't know how you do that.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
I just I just I'm not ready to make that
conclusion just yet.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Well, this will not be the last chapter.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
It'll be an ongoing conversation, I'm assuming, because like we mentioned,
there have been more than twenty strikes on purported drug
vessels since then since this one situation, where there may
they may have gone back with a second strike to
kill any survivors. And there's a reason why we didn't
(23:48):
hear about it when it happened September second, And I
also will say this, I don't think we should hear
about everything. There's a lot of things that happened that
I'm learning about in the diplomat that we shouldn't know
about for this sake of peace.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Well, and there's probably, for one, the one thing that
we know about in this September second double tap, potentially
illegal strike, there's a hundred, Like to your point, there's
one hundred other things that went on that we don't
know about. What is going on in Venezuela right now.
We are not going to go in you know this threat.
(24:23):
The President has said that we could potentially do land
strikes next. We don't do that without having boots on
the ground. We don't do that without having eyes in country.
We just don't do that. So how many men and
women right now are in harm's way in Venezuela setting
up what wouldever potentially be a land you know, land strikes,
a land invasion, whatever it is. We don't know what's
(24:44):
going on.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Well, and we're talking about Venezuela. And let's not forget
that Vladimir putin the headline yesterday yesterday was he's ready
for war.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Yeah, this is.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
And that's an ally, so we'll get onto all of
this coming up in swamp Water.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Oh, can we do the school photos story as well?
Speaker 4 (25:00):
I am right, I can.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
That's a great.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
I'm sorry, it's a great. We'll do that when we
come back.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
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