August 13, 2025 • 29 mins
Michael Monks joins the show to discuss that Los Angeles County purchased the Gas Company Tower in downtown Los Angeles for $200 million. Huntington Beach Police Department readies Drone as First Responder program. Silicon Valley Smart Babies.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app. Have you heard what they're doing
in Huntington Beach? Starting a month from today, if you
call nine one one, a drone may respond. It is
a drone first responder pilot program that kicks off a
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month in a month from two day.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
We'll see how that works. It's a very drone's going
to come and arrest you or talk to you. It's
just an observation so that they have eyes on a
situation before the officers get there.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Yeah, I know, it's just it's a very it's a
well armed society, and I mean people were shooting up
each other in an apartment complex last week around there.
I just don't want people to shoot the police drones
out of the sky. I feel like that'll be problematic.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Seems like it would be well, it's obviously not attacking
like a canine, but you there'd be some charges involved.
I mean, I don't know, destruction of public property something. Yeah,
a couple stories watching. President Trump joined a video call
today with European leaders and Ukraine's president Vladimir Zelenski ahead
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of the big high profile summit that's taking place on
Friday with Vladimir Putin, European leaders and Ukraine not invited
to this summit coming up Friday at Anchorage is Joint Base Elmendorf. Richardson.
Spirit Airlines says it might not continue to operate if
it doesn't get any better. The budget airline came out
of bankruptcy in March, but they said demand among price
(01:35):
sensitive consumers is still under pressure, so they expect pressure
on the business to continue for the remainder of twenty
twenty five. The big yellow airplanes may not be flying
much longer.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Michael Monks, how are you.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I'm doing great, It's good to see you.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
It's so great to see you now, or I.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Get replaced by a drone. I guess never.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Never.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
A drone doesn't bring us nearly this much joy now
A little bit, but not as little bit. Yeah, all right,
to put it to bed.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
We have had discussions and you will be undertaking a
caramel Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm all adulty de la. I
don't care what you call it, but I think a
caramel ice cream by itself, to me, is the true
test of a confectioner. Not only am I going to
make it for you know what I'm going to call it?
I don't know, Gary Mel. I love it. Yeah, thank you,
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I am honor. Two scoops of Gary Mel. Pace.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Do I got a flavor?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Shannon gonna be like banana.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Like birthday cake batter or something. Sparkles?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Is that a nickname from when you were dancing in Fresno.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
That's hurtful.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
I'm so because you're putting that in the tense.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Actually your name back when I still had it, and
you're putting me in Fresno when I still had it.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
That's hurtful. I'm sorry. Now we have beat and now.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
She's pissed a knock on Fresno I know.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
But she's not even from there. She's from a suburb
of Fresno.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Okay, that's not a thing.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
It is.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Does not get to have suburbs. Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Do you think Jerry Tarkanian lived in Fresno proper? That's
a good question. Yeah, no, he had a house in
the subit.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
That's a good question.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
I've never ever thought of that.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Jerry Tarcanian live in proper? Wait, god, La County supervisors
are looking at the budgets. Now when it comes to
upgrades on an LA County owned building, they want to
suspend the proposals for seismic work on a giant skyscraper.
This is you know, I'm your guy who watches the
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council and the supervisors more than anything else. That's my
primary job here is to watch these things. Weird predilection.
But we're glad you have I know, and I love
local government. I love covering it. But it is a
head scratcher, and then it's another head scratcher, and then
it's another head scratcher. And this was certainly one yesterday
because last year the county Board of Supervisors decided that
they wanted new digs for the county government, the administrative offices,
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the departments. So they bought a skyscraper that was mostly empty.
Smoking deal too, two hundred million dollars for the Gas
Company tower on Fifth Street. Still some tenants in there,
but they are now paying the county. Then word gets
out that hey, we might need a seismic retrofit for
this building to make it earthquake safe. The cost two
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hundred and ninety million dollars, so more expensive than the
building itself, and now you're getting back up to what
was probably close to market value exactly. But the head
scratching part.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
That building is a real s whole. I'll just say
it was a real shole thirty years ago.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Was that gas Company tower?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Oh, I was thinking about the Kennethon Hall of Administration.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Well, that was the point of the supervisors who pushed
for this, except for Janas Hahn, the namesake of Kenneth
Hall Well Ken. Yeah, you know, she wants the county
to stay there. She was the loan vote against this,
and I want you to take a listen to what
she said yesterday at the meeting, because this illustrates why
it was such a head scratcher.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Elmer, I was surprised to learn that we would be
spending over two hundred ninety million to retrofit a skyscraper
that cost us only two hundred million to purchase. And
I agree there needs to be more transparency with taxpayers
on what the gas Company tower is actually going to
cost the county. And I think this cost is just
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the tip of the iceberg. I learned recently that it's
expected to cost over sixty million annually just to operate
the gas company tower as a county office space.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
So I want you to listen to some of those
verb tenses. You know, it's not like they knew this
last fall. Apparently all of this is new. As characterized
by her, I was surprised to learn today that it's
going to cost three hundred million dollars to seismically retrofit
this building. I learned recently that it will cost sixty
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million dollars for us to operate out of that building.
She goes on to say, it only cost US twenty
million dollars to operate in the building name for my father.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
But I mean it's a good point. It's kind of
ridiculous to throw that.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Much money at a new building for a group of
people who do nothing but.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
You know, lowered over us in their fief tongue.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Sure, but the weird part was this apparently isn't even happening.
This is what Lindsay Horvath, the supervisor, had to say
for me.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
Safety is non negotiable, and my understanding is that the
building already exceeds safety requirements. In fact, it would have
the highest standards of any county building at this present moment.
So I think that's important to acknowledge, and the additional
retrofitting work being considered is not required.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Not required.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Yeah, it's voluntary seismic upgrades.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, it's just a suggestion. So there was this motion
yesterday to stop something that was not happening, and it
just leads me to the regular reoccurring question, who's in
charge here? Yeah, you're gonna go bald from scratching your
head so much, I'll bleed from the scout. So the
building itself, the gas company tower, is up to code.
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That's what it sounds like. Okay, so it's up to code.
That the three hundred million dollars worth of seismic upgrades
are like, Oh, it would be nice if you want
to be extra safe from the big one that Deborah
Mark has always warned us about. Right, three hundred million dollars.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
But I was so only thinking about Deborah Mark this
whole time.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I'm glad I'm not building.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
She's not thinking about us today. I can tell you
that she's at Lake Como.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
You don't think she's thinking about it.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I don't at all, No, not at all. I know
we got we gotta take a break. But I just
wanted to say I came on you know, weeks ago,
we talked about how the county Board of Supervisors pushed
for or Measure G to be adopted to expand the
Board of Supervisors to nine members create a county executive,
but at the same time did not realize that that
that measure repealed Measure JES, which they did not know.
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This is the measure that's supposed to allocate funds to
social justice programs and especially for carcole situations. Who's in
charge here? It just like these are happening in rapid succession,
and you look around and you think what is going on?
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Mistakes like that can be made. Yeah, who's on first?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Right? So now we're gonna have nine of these folks. Yeah, great,
have fun. Enjoy your double Scoopa, Gary Mels, Michael.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Jerry Tarkanian was from Ohio ps No No.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
But when he was coaching Fresno State.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Yeah, he live in Fresno. I'm not sure. I thought
you meant he grew up there.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Oh no, no, no, he coached Fresno State after he left you.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I just knew him with the running Rebels, I mean,
what a reign of terror in the nineties.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
He provided the Cortalels that he went through.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
He went to Pasadena High School. I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Why would I know that? Why would that be something
that I would know? That's really stupid.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
You learned something new on this show.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Did play high school basketball San Joaquin Memorial High School
in Fresno. Well, he was born in Ohio, And then
they went on.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Where was he in nineteen sixty nine?
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I love that you asked that question.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
In nineteen sixty nine, Turcanian was at Long Beach State.
I knew he had moved there to coach D one
basketball in nineteen sixty eight. Also pioneered the use of
junior college athletes. In fact, in the University of Nevada
Reno history professor Robert o'davies book The Maverick Spirit, Tarcanian's
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recruiting practice drew complaints that he was running a renegade
program built upon less than stellar students.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
What a trailblazer.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
I'm glad I derailed this program again. Thing youre suspended
for another three weeks. Hunting to be and their drones.
We'll talk about that as the First Responder program expands.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Don't forget to let us know your opinion of a
really good, bad movie.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yeah, it's got to be an awful movie that you
can't look away from.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Happy Gilmore, Oh, horrible?
Speaker 2 (10:23):
What is it all about?
Speaker 5 (10:25):
Love Adam Sandler?
Speaker 3 (10:26):
But I'm not happy with Gilmore.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
That's funny that you can love Adam Sandler but not
that movie, because he's a.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Lovable person, even if you don't get it or you
don't appreciate the humor. I think he is. He's a
likable person. And you saw the sequels, right, I did. Yeah,
it was good. It was cute, fun I liked the
I like the cameos, all the references, all the cameos.
Scottie Scheffler did a lot.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
But I was glad it went straight to Netflix.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
You wouldn't want to pay for it.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
I wouldn't have paid for that.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
We will do this. We get into uh, we get
into what you watch on Wednesday. Just let us know
the worst movie, but you got to watch it whenever
it comes up. We've had a bunch of people leave
us talkback messages where when you're listening on the app,
you just hit that little button and it leaves a
message for US.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Huntington Beach Police Department usually takes about five minutes to
get to a crime scene or emergency situation, which is
pretty good. I believe the gold standard is four minutes, right,
but it's hard to do.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Hard to do these days.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Drones, they say, will soon cut that first responder time
to two minutes or less. Huntington Beach expected to launch
its drone as first Responder program a month from today.
These sky doo X ten drones will be docked on
rooftops at strategic locations around the city, including a location
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near the Beltara Outdoor Mall that's where I go to yoga,
and one near Huntington Beach City Hall. That's going to
be a pro I mean to me, that opens up
for knowing these police drones are on random rooftops. You
find out the location of those things just opens it
up for nefarious activities.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Isn't it somebody trying to jack a police drone? Can
you do that?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I don't know. I guess yeah, I mean, I guess
it could.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Each one, each drone will have a two mile radius
and eventually they say, the whole city hopefully will be covered.
This has gone on, it's happened in New York, Chicago,
Oklahoma City have all started similar programs.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
This is a This is an incredible tool that I'm
surprised that it's not more popular considering the way drone
technology has advanced so much in the last several years.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
It's very cool for officers to know what they're driving
into that.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
And that's the massive, massive thing is if you have
a domestic violent situation, you have any sort of violent situation, barricade,
it's us whatever. I don't think those are definitely not
the majority of calls that they're going to go on,
But to have even a very basic understanding of who's involved,
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how they're involved, where everybody is that's involved in this thing,
that's going to make a huge difference.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
There's a lot of evidence that can escape in five minutes.
You get a drone on the scene, within two minutes,
it starts recording immediately.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
You save all that a lot of that evidence.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah, one of the people who is involved with this
is a Huntington Beach Police Detective Taylor Davren, drone as
first responder pilot said. The biggest advantage is how quickly
we can get there. They're capturing key details, who was there,
how many people were there, what vehicles were they driving,
Evidence that has been left behind that not only helps
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in making arrest but building the stronger cases that can
lead to successful prosecutions.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
This is also a place where probably Huntington Beach is like,
go for it. You know, it's not a community that
would think that this is createing a police state. It
has a lot of support for the police department there, so, uh.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
And there's a lot of people who are concerned that
this is surveillance, like they're going to have drones just
flying around watching people.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
See, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Huntington Beach doesn't feel that way by and large, they're
not They're they're not worried about that. They're a community
that supports the police department, and they're not worried about
being surveilled by the police, I don't think. But there
are there are communities where this would not make sense
for that reason, right, But if it does achieve success,
if they're able to point to, you know, different scenarios
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where this aided in investigations and evidence, you know, keeping evidence,
and it is probably going.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
To be more common than not, I hope.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
So it's a. It's a hopefully it's a way to
protect everybody that's involved. You know, it gives officers at
least if they are in a dangerous more dangerous situation,
they get a heads up before they walk into it.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
So Silicon Valley seems to be obsessed with creating smart babies,
a lot of money into startups and technology that would
guarantee that your baby has a high IQ?
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Why are they so obsessed? Would this be better?
Speaker 1 (15:16):
And the moral debate offing around with genetics and science
to alter the baby that pops out?
Speaker 2 (15:25):
What if it's to save humanity? Though?
Speaker 3 (15:29):
What about humanity needs saving?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
I'll tell you, Oh, okay, when we come back, Gary
and Shannon will continue.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
The thought of going through IVF in virtual fertilization is
a it's a monster for some people. It's very very difficult.
It can be very very hard on a body and
very very very expensive, very expensive, very troublesome. We know,
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you know, I'm sure everybody has friends or relatives who
have gone through it, and if you're lucky, the result
is children. And if you're not because of whatever problems
go into it. You just are not able to have children,
at least not that way. So the idea of people
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doing it even when they don't need to is a
little bit weird and probably off putting. But there is
a new trend in the Silicon Valley where these super
smart tech bros and tech citsts whatever, they're turning to
IVF because they want to have choice in which embryo
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they take to implant and then give birth to.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
It is peak interest right now in Silicon Valley when
it comes to breeding smarter babies. Parents there are paying
up to fifty thousand dollars for new genetic testing services
that include promises to screen embryos for IQ. Elon Musk
and other what they call themselves as tech futurists are
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urging the intellectually gifted to multiply, and you've got professional
matchmakers setting up tech execs with brilliant partners partly to
get this brilliant offspring. Elon Musk himself has been vocal
about picking women to make spawn with based on their smarts.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
As an example, I said that some of this may
be prompted by a belief that we need to be
smarter in order to take on the threats that will
overtake us in the coming years. As an example, Civi
Benson Tilson, as a mathematician, spent seven years research how
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to keep an advanced form of AI from destroying humanity. Eventually,
he figured out that stopping it isn't possible, at least
not the way technology exists today, that if AI wanted
to destroy humanity, it could do it. So he has
now turned to cutting edge technology to create smarter humans
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who would be able to solve the problems of the future,
including how to make sure AI doesn't turn us into food.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
You're anticipating that a high non no mean you, But
people are anticipating that a high IQ translates into advancements,
into integration, into communication, into all of these things. When
science will show you, by and large, people with large
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IQs struggle be an A high IQ does not guarantee
that you are going to be successful in life.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Nay.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Sometimes it means you're gonna have more problems in life.
You're going to isolate, you're gonna have mental illness. Uh,
there's a whole bevy of problems that comes with having
an IQ. It is not a given for success. Hank
Greeley is the director of the Center for Law and
the Biosciences at Stanford, and he says, is this fair,
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this IQ fetish, this harvesting embryos for IQ. He says,
this is something that people worry about. He says, it's
a great science fiction plot. The rich people create a
genetically super caste that takes over a cast system, and
it takes over and the rest of us are just
these peons in Silicon Valley. Just remember your environment. This
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is where the preschools require IQ attests. In Silicon Valley,
the presque schools require IQ tests.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
That's an IQ test for what you'r a three year old.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
And these are the exact people that don't think twice
about that. These are the exact I mean, this is
like a breeding ground for this mentality and misthinking about it.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Bay Area demand is high for these services. The genetic
tests where people can select which embryos to use, costs
about six thousand dollars at one spot, up to fifty
thousand dollars at another business.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Yeah, those two that you're talking about. One of them
is called nucleus genomics. The other one is called heasite
and they're offering get this, they're offering IQ predictions based
on genetic testing. So you get an embryo, they do
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a test on it, and they ballpark what they think
that kid's IQ is gonna be, and then you get
to decide which embryo you want implanted.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
I feel like this is so short sighted and if
you've lived any life, especially as a smart person in
Silicon Valley, you know that there are struggles that you're
gonna have. IQ does not guarantee success nor ambition. You
could be a highly intelligent people that is so socially
stilted that you can't handle talking to other people, interacting
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with other people. It could be setting up your child
for a lifetime of misery right out of the gate.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
There is a couple, Simone and Malcolm that is pregnant
right now, she's pregnant, but we'll talk about their story
and how it is they chose the embryo they chose
that she is currently that whole thing.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
And I understand as a part of IVF of choosing
M it just creeps me out.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
It's uncomfortable, very much. So Garyan Channing will continue.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
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six forty.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
We're talking about this story about how in Silicon Valley
there is a push to get smarter babies and people
are using all kinds of different tools like genetic testing
of embryos. They're voluntarily going through IVF, so they have
multiple embryos to choose from different companies that have come
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up that are offering genetic testing in order to predict
potential IQ scores for some of the babies. One couple,
Simone and Malcolm.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
They are leaders in the budding pro natalist movement. Babies, babies, babies,
They encourages lots of babies.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
How do you find yourself in that place in life?
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Well, in Silicon Valley, I don't know. I know plenty
of people in church life who think that the Lord
told them to fill their quivers. Yes, ten eleven, twelve children, right,
and I understand that because of God. That makes sense
to me. But in the tech world, what is their mentality? Okay,
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I'm just just a I'm not trying to be cute.
I just it's just a question. Simone and Malcolm work
in tech and venture capital. Exactly four kids through IVF
and used one of those companies the IQ prediction companies
to analyze some of their embryo.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Because to me, if it's not for God, and I
understand that thought process, I feel like the only other
option is we're so great, we should keep having babies
to make more great people because our genes together are great.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
That's how it comes across. That's what Elon Musk thinks.
That's why he's got randomly twelve plus or how many
kids he's got with these different people. Now. In this case,
Simone and Malcolm said they chose the embryo that she's
now pregnant with because it had a low reported risk
for cancer. They also were happy because it was in
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the ninety ninth percentile per the polygenic score in the
likelihood of having really exceptionally high intelligence. And her quote is,
we just thought that was the coolest thing.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
They planned to name him techs Demeson. His middle name,
she noted, comes from Lane M. Banks science fiction novel
Surface Detail, after the avatar of a warship known as
Falling outside the Normal moral constraints Boy, Jesus, Mary and Joseph.
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I'm gonna name my kid mister bumber Puss.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
She said that higher intelligence is associated with many good things,
such as high income, but she really wishes they were
genetic tests that could screen for ambition. I think this
is kind of what you were getting at in the
last segment. She said, I will matters a hell of
a lot more than I can't.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Okay, so she's not a total dumb dumb.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
If grit and ambition and curiosity, if we had polygenic
scores for those things, we'd be much more interesting.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Okay, that's good. That's a good way of thinking.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Okay, but now you're talking about people who are willing
to put their bodies through absolute in some cases hell
in order to have multiple embryos to choose from. Again,
he's getting.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
All though, that couldn't achieve.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
No, no, no, naturally, no, no, no no, because the
next couple, as a matter of fact, do choose this
process voluntarily because they want the option of choosing embryos.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
And now you're getting into it's one thing if you
have to do IVF and then there's choices to make
that are uncomfortable, but it is what it is.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
But to choose that is playing with God. This is
oneying God.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
This is one of the It's like a college level
yes ethics class. Yes, if you had a child that
had a defect and you needed to have a transplant
or something like that, would it be ethical for you
to create another child.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
This is the plot of the movie with one of
the blond pretty actresses, My Sister's Keeper, one of those
things where they have a child to basically be a donor.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Yeah, for the child that they have that was born
with a defect.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
It's not the exact same philosophical argument, but it is similar, like,
why is it you're doing this? Why do you have
children in the first place? Is it an outward expression
of you loving your partner and you want to build
a family you feel called to it? It goes back
to our you know, our animal desires to procreate and
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fill the earth? Is Is it religious? Is it in
this case? Is it because you think that your smart kid,
your little braddy punk ass smart kid, is going to
save humanity?
Speaker 1 (27:08):
The movie My Sister's Keeper not a true story. It
was Cameron Diaz, I believe, who starred in it, but
is inspired by a real life case story based on
the experiences of the Nash family, whose daughter Mollie was
born with Fanconi anemia, a rare genetic disorder. The family
genetically engineered a baby Adam to provide a bone marrow
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match for Molly.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Now in that case, they're not The baby that they
create is not just used and thrown away, no, but
essentially created it.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
It's a whole ethical conversation, isn't it. They dive much
more into that in the book that the movie's based
off on, Jody picolt I believe is her name, great novelist.
She wrote the novel I guess that dives into much
more of the ethical dilemma surrounding such a situation.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
If you're interested, man, if you ever want to comment
on anything that we say, you can always leave us
a talkback message when you're listening on the app. Just
hit that little button. It sends us a message speaking.
We would have been tossed out. B Yeah, there was
not a lot of genetic testing to see if someone's
going to get into radio. If if you have a
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speaking of movies, a bad movie that you can't look
away from, you know those movies that are so bad
that you just love watching them, let us know what
it is. We have a metric pantload of suggestions from
people wonderful and some of them are really good movies too,
not just bad ones. It's ones they don't like, but
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they simply can't turn away.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Why are we so.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Keen on measuring a metric ton by using feces? Why
can't we say you know, a papaya ton of X,
Y or Z? And why can't we say you know,
Daisy's a daisy ton? Why does that have to be
feces a feces ton? Why are we obsessed with that?
Is it because we're all low iq? We could all
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be thrown out from the Petrie Dish.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Strange to me that you're pushing back against pooh humor.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
I'm just wondering.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
You've been listening to The Gary and Shannon Show. You
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This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
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on the iHeartRadio app. Have you heard what they're doing
in Huntington Beach? Starting a month from today, if you
call nine one one, a drone may respond. It is
a drone first responder pilot program that kicks off a
(00:20):
month in a month from two day.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
We'll see how that works. It's a very drone's going
to come and arrest you or talk to you. It's
just an observation so that they have eyes on a
situation before the officers get there.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Yeah, I know, it's just it's a very it's a
well armed society, and I mean people were shooting up
each other in an apartment complex last week around there.
I just don't want people to shoot the police drones
out of the sky. I feel like that'll be problematic.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Seems like it would be well, it's obviously not attacking
like a canine, but you there'd be some charges involved.
I mean, I don't know, destruction of public property something. Yeah,
a couple stories watching. President Trump joined a video call
today with European leaders and Ukraine's president Vladimir Zelenski ahead
(01:13):
of the big high profile summit that's taking place on
Friday with Vladimir Putin, European leaders and Ukraine not invited
to this summit coming up Friday at Anchorage is Joint Base Elmendorf. Richardson.
Spirit Airlines says it might not continue to operate if
it doesn't get any better. The budget airline came out
of bankruptcy in March, but they said demand among price
(01:35):
sensitive consumers is still under pressure, so they expect pressure
on the business to continue for the remainder of twenty
twenty five. The big yellow airplanes may not be flying
much longer.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Michael Monks, how are you.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I'm doing great, It's good to see you.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
It's so great to see you now, or I.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Get replaced by a drone. I guess never.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Never.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
A drone doesn't bring us nearly this much joy now
A little bit, but not as little bit. Yeah, all right,
to put it to bed.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
We have had discussions and you will be undertaking a
caramel Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm all adulty de la. I
don't care what you call it, but I think a
caramel ice cream by itself, to me, is the true
test of a confectioner. Not only am I going to
make it for you know what I'm going to call it?
I don't know, Gary Mel. I love it. Yeah, thank you,
(02:29):
I am honor. Two scoops of Gary Mel. Pace.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Do I got a flavor?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Shannon gonna be like banana.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Like birthday cake batter or something. Sparkles?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Is that a nickname from when you were dancing in Fresno.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
That's hurtful.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
I'm so because you're putting that in the tense.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Actually your name back when I still had it, and
you're putting me in Fresno when I still had it.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
That's hurtful. I'm sorry. Now we have beat and now.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
She's pissed a knock on Fresno I know.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
But she's not even from there. She's from a suburb
of Fresno.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Okay, that's not a thing.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
It is.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Does not get to have suburbs. Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Do you think Jerry Tarkanian lived in Fresno proper? That's
a good question. Yeah, no, he had a house in
the subit.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
That's a good question.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
I've never ever thought of that.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Jerry Tarcanian live in proper? Wait, god, La County supervisors
are looking at the budgets. Now when it comes to
upgrades on an LA County owned building, they want to
suspend the proposals for seismic work on a giant skyscraper.
This is you know, I'm your guy who watches the
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council and the supervisors more than anything else. That's my
primary job here is to watch these things. Weird predilection.
But we're glad you have I know, and I love
local government. I love covering it. But it is a
head scratcher, and then it's another head scratcher, and then
it's another head scratcher. And this was certainly one yesterday
because last year the county Board of Supervisors decided that
they wanted new digs for the county government, the administrative offices,
(04:10):
the departments. So they bought a skyscraper that was mostly empty.
Smoking deal too, two hundred million dollars for the Gas
Company tower on Fifth Street. Still some tenants in there,
but they are now paying the county. Then word gets
out that hey, we might need a seismic retrofit for
this building to make it earthquake safe. The cost two
(04:31):
hundred and ninety million dollars, so more expensive than the
building itself, and now you're getting back up to what
was probably close to market value exactly. But the head
scratching part.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
That building is a real s whole. I'll just say
it was a real shole thirty years ago.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Was that gas Company tower?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Oh, I was thinking about the Kennethon Hall of Administration.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Well, that was the point of the supervisors who pushed
for this, except for Janas Hahn, the namesake of Kenneth
Hall Well Ken. Yeah, you know, she wants the county
to stay there. She was the loan vote against this,
and I want you to take a listen to what
she said yesterday at the meeting, because this illustrates why
it was such a head scratcher.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Elmer, I was surprised to learn that we would be
spending over two hundred ninety million to retrofit a skyscraper
that cost us only two hundred million to purchase. And
I agree there needs to be more transparency with taxpayers
on what the gas Company tower is actually going to
cost the county. And I think this cost is just
(05:32):
the tip of the iceberg. I learned recently that it's
expected to cost over sixty million annually just to operate
the gas company tower as a county office space.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
So I want you to listen to some of those
verb tenses. You know, it's not like they knew this
last fall. Apparently all of this is new. As characterized
by her, I was surprised to learn today that it's
going to cost three hundred million dollars to seismically retrofit
this building. I learned recently that it will cost sixty
(06:07):
million dollars for us to operate out of that building.
She goes on to say, it only cost US twenty
million dollars to operate in the building name for my father.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
But I mean it's a good point. It's kind of
ridiculous to throw that.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Much money at a new building for a group of
people who do nothing but.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
You know, lowered over us in their fief tongue.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Sure, but the weird part was this apparently isn't even happening.
This is what Lindsay Horvath, the supervisor, had to say
for me.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
Safety is non negotiable, and my understanding is that the
building already exceeds safety requirements. In fact, it would have
the highest standards of any county building at this present moment.
So I think that's important to acknowledge, and the additional
retrofitting work being considered is not required.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Not required.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Yeah, it's voluntary seismic upgrades.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, it's just a suggestion. So there was this motion
yesterday to stop something that was not happening, and it
just leads me to the regular reoccurring question, who's in
charge here? Yeah, you're gonna go bald from scratching your
head so much, I'll bleed from the scout. So the
building itself, the gas company tower, is up to code.
(07:24):
That's what it sounds like. Okay, so it's up to code.
That the three hundred million dollars worth of seismic upgrades
are like, Oh, it would be nice if you want
to be extra safe from the big one that Deborah
Mark has always warned us about. Right, three hundred million dollars.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
But I was so only thinking about Deborah Mark this
whole time.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I'm glad I'm not building.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
She's not thinking about us today. I can tell you
that she's at Lake Como.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
You don't think she's thinking about it.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I don't at all, No, not at all. I know
we got we gotta take a break. But I just
wanted to say I came on you know, weeks ago,
we talked about how the county Board of Supervisors pushed
for or Measure G to be adopted to expand the
Board of Supervisors to nine members create a county executive,
but at the same time did not realize that that
that measure repealed Measure JES, which they did not know.
(08:12):
This is the measure that's supposed to allocate funds to
social justice programs and especially for carcole situations. Who's in
charge here? It just like these are happening in rapid succession,
and you look around and you think what is going on?
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Mistakes like that can be made. Yeah, who's on first?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Right? So now we're gonna have nine of these folks. Yeah, great,
have fun. Enjoy your double Scoopa, Gary Mels, Michael.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Jerry Tarkanian was from Ohio ps No No.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
But when he was coaching Fresno State.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Yeah, he live in Fresno. I'm not sure. I thought
you meant he grew up there.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Oh no, no, no, he coached Fresno State after he left you.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I just knew him with the running Rebels, I mean,
what a reign of terror in the nineties.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
He provided the Cortalels that he went through.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
He went to Pasadena High School. I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Why would I know that? Why would that be something
that I would know? That's really stupid.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
You learned something new on this show.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Did play high school basketball San Joaquin Memorial High School
in Fresno. Well, he was born in Ohio, And then
they went on.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Where was he in nineteen sixty nine?
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I love that you asked that question.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
In nineteen sixty nine, Turcanian was at Long Beach State.
I knew he had moved there to coach D one
basketball in nineteen sixty eight. Also pioneered the use of
junior college athletes. In fact, in the University of Nevada
Reno history professor Robert o'davies book The Maverick Spirit, Tarcanian's
(09:43):
recruiting practice drew complaints that he was running a renegade
program built upon less than stellar students.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
What a trailblazer.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
I'm glad I derailed this program again. Thing youre suspended
for another three weeks. Hunting to be and their drones.
We'll talk about that as the First Responder program expands.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Don't forget to let us know your opinion of a
really good, bad movie.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yeah, it's got to be an awful movie that you
can't look away from.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Happy Gilmore, Oh, horrible?
Speaker 2 (10:23):
What is it all about?
Speaker 5 (10:25):
Love Adam Sandler?
Speaker 3 (10:26):
But I'm not happy with Gilmore.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
That's funny that you can love Adam Sandler but not
that movie, because he's a.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Lovable person, even if you don't get it or you
don't appreciate the humor. I think he is. He's a
likable person. And you saw the sequels, right, I did. Yeah,
it was good. It was cute, fun I liked the
I like the cameos, all the references, all the cameos.
Scottie Scheffler did a lot.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
But I was glad it went straight to Netflix.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
You wouldn't want to pay for it.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
I wouldn't have paid for that.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
We will do this. We get into uh, we get
into what you watch on Wednesday. Just let us know
the worst movie, but you got to watch it whenever
it comes up. We've had a bunch of people leave
us talkback messages where when you're listening on the app,
you just hit that little button and it leaves a
message for US.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Huntington Beach Police Department usually takes about five minutes to
get to a crime scene or emergency situation, which is
pretty good. I believe the gold standard is four minutes, right,
but it's hard to do.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Hard to do these days.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Drones, they say, will soon cut that first responder time
to two minutes or less. Huntington Beach expected to launch
its drone as first Responder program a month from today.
These sky doo X ten drones will be docked on
rooftops at strategic locations around the city, including a location
(11:52):
near the Beltara Outdoor Mall that's where I go to yoga,
and one near Huntington Beach City Hall. That's going to
be a pro I mean to me, that opens up
for knowing these police drones are on random rooftops. You
find out the location of those things just opens it
up for nefarious activities.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Isn't it somebody trying to jack a police drone? Can
you do that?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I don't know. I guess yeah, I mean, I guess
it could.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Each one, each drone will have a two mile radius
and eventually they say, the whole city hopefully will be covered.
This has gone on, it's happened in New York, Chicago,
Oklahoma City have all started similar programs.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
This is a This is an incredible tool that I'm
surprised that it's not more popular considering the way drone
technology has advanced so much in the last several years.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
It's very cool for officers to know what they're driving
into that.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
And that's the massive, massive thing is if you have
a domestic violent situation, you have any sort of violent situation, barricade,
it's us whatever. I don't think those are definitely not
the majority of calls that they're going to go on,
But to have even a very basic understanding of who's involved,
(13:10):
how they're involved, where everybody is that's involved in this thing,
that's going to make a huge difference.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
There's a lot of evidence that can escape in five minutes.
You get a drone on the scene, within two minutes,
it starts recording immediately.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
You save all that a lot of that evidence.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah, one of the people who is involved with this
is a Huntington Beach Police Detective Taylor Davren, drone as
first responder pilot said. The biggest advantage is how quickly
we can get there. They're capturing key details, who was there,
how many people were there, what vehicles were they driving,
Evidence that has been left behind that not only helps
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in making arrest but building the stronger cases that can
lead to successful prosecutions.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
This is also a place where probably Huntington Beach is like,
go for it. You know, it's not a community that
would think that this is createing a police state. It
has a lot of support for the police department there, so, uh.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
And there's a lot of people who are concerned that
this is surveillance, like they're going to have drones just
flying around watching people.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
See, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Huntington Beach doesn't feel that way by and large, they're
not They're they're not worried about that. They're a community
that supports the police department, and they're not worried about
being surveilled by the police, I don't think. But there
are there are communities where this would not make sense
for that reason, right, But if it does achieve success,
if they're able to point to, you know, different scenarios
(14:37):
where this aided in investigations and evidence, you know, keeping evidence,
and it is probably going.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
To be more common than not, I hope.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
So it's a. It's a hopefully it's a way to
protect everybody that's involved. You know, it gives officers at
least if they are in a dangerous more dangerous situation,
they get a heads up before they walk into it.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
So Silicon Valley seems to be obsessed with creating smart babies,
a lot of money into startups and technology that would
guarantee that your baby has a high IQ?
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Why are they so obsessed? Would this be better?
Speaker 1 (15:16):
And the moral debate offing around with genetics and science
to alter the baby that pops out?
Speaker 2 (15:25):
What if it's to save humanity? Though?
Speaker 3 (15:29):
What about humanity needs saving?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
I'll tell you, Oh, okay, when we come back, Gary
and Shannon will continue.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
The thought of going through IVF in virtual fertilization is
a it's a monster for some people. It's very very difficult.
It can be very very hard on a body and
very very very expensive, very expensive, very troublesome. We know,
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you know, I'm sure everybody has friends or relatives who
have gone through it, and if you're lucky, the result
is children. And if you're not because of whatever problems
go into it. You just are not able to have children,
at least not that way. So the idea of people
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doing it even when they don't need to is a
little bit weird and probably off putting. But there is
a new trend in the Silicon Valley where these super
smart tech bros and tech citsts whatever, they're turning to
IVF because they want to have choice in which embryo
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they take to implant and then give birth to.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
It is peak interest right now in Silicon Valley when
it comes to breeding smarter babies. Parents there are paying
up to fifty thousand dollars for new genetic testing services
that include promises to screen embryos for IQ. Elon Musk
and other what they call themselves as tech futurists are
(17:18):
urging the intellectually gifted to multiply, and you've got professional
matchmakers setting up tech execs with brilliant partners partly to
get this brilliant offspring. Elon Musk himself has been vocal
about picking women to make spawn with based on their smarts.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
As an example, I said that some of this may
be prompted by a belief that we need to be
smarter in order to take on the threats that will
overtake us in the coming years. As an example, Civi
Benson Tilson, as a mathematician, spent seven years research how
(18:01):
to keep an advanced form of AI from destroying humanity. Eventually,
he figured out that stopping it isn't possible, at least
not the way technology exists today, that if AI wanted
to destroy humanity, it could do it. So he has
now turned to cutting edge technology to create smarter humans
(18:27):
who would be able to solve the problems of the future,
including how to make sure AI doesn't turn us into food.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
You're anticipating that a high non no mean you, But
people are anticipating that a high IQ translates into advancements,
into integration, into communication, into all of these things. When
science will show you, by and large, people with large
(18:59):
IQs struggle be an A high IQ does not guarantee
that you are going to be successful in life.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Nay.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Sometimes it means you're gonna have more problems in life.
You're going to isolate, you're gonna have mental illness. Uh,
there's a whole bevy of problems that comes with having
an IQ. It is not a given for success. Hank
Greeley is the director of the Center for Law and
the Biosciences at Stanford, and he says, is this fair,
(19:29):
this IQ fetish, this harvesting embryos for IQ. He says,
this is something that people worry about. He says, it's
a great science fiction plot. The rich people create a
genetically super caste that takes over a cast system, and
it takes over and the rest of us are just
these peons in Silicon Valley. Just remember your environment. This
(19:54):
is where the preschools require IQ attests. In Silicon Valley,
the presque schools require IQ tests.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
That's an IQ test for what you'r a three year old.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
And these are the exact people that don't think twice
about that. These are the exact I mean, this is
like a breeding ground for this mentality and misthinking about it.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Bay Area demand is high for these services. The genetic
tests where people can select which embryos to use, costs
about six thousand dollars at one spot, up to fifty
thousand dollars at another business.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Yeah, those two that you're talking about. One of them
is called nucleus genomics. The other one is called heasite
and they're offering get this, they're offering IQ predictions based
on genetic testing. So you get an embryo, they do
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a test on it, and they ballpark what they think
that kid's IQ is gonna be, and then you get
to decide which embryo you want implanted.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
I feel like this is so short sighted and if
you've lived any life, especially as a smart person in
Silicon Valley, you know that there are struggles that you're
gonna have. IQ does not guarantee success nor ambition. You
could be a highly intelligent people that is so socially
stilted that you can't handle talking to other people, interacting
(21:34):
with other people. It could be setting up your child
for a lifetime of misery right out of the gate.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
There is a couple, Simone and Malcolm that is pregnant
right now, she's pregnant, but we'll talk about their story
and how it is they chose the embryo they chose
that she is currently that whole thing.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
And I understand as a part of IVF of choosing
M it just creeps me out.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
It's uncomfortable, very much. So Garyan Channing will continue.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
You're listening to Garyan Channon on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
We're talking about this story about how in Silicon Valley
there is a push to get smarter babies and people
are using all kinds of different tools like genetic testing
of embryos. They're voluntarily going through IVF, so they have
multiple embryos to choose from different companies that have come
(22:37):
up that are offering genetic testing in order to predict
potential IQ scores for some of the babies. One couple,
Simone and Malcolm.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
They are leaders in the budding pro natalist movement. Babies, babies, babies,
They encourages lots of babies.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
How do you find yourself in that place in life?
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Well, in Silicon Valley, I don't know. I know plenty
of people in church life who think that the Lord
told them to fill their quivers. Yes, ten eleven, twelve children, right,
and I understand that because of God. That makes sense
to me. But in the tech world, what is their mentality? Okay,
(23:20):
I'm just just a I'm not trying to be cute.
I just it's just a question. Simone and Malcolm work
in tech and venture capital. Exactly four kids through IVF
and used one of those companies the IQ prediction companies
to analyze some of their embryo.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Because to me, if it's not for God, and I
understand that thought process, I feel like the only other
option is we're so great, we should keep having babies
to make more great people because our genes together are great.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
That's how it comes across. That's what Elon Musk thinks.
That's why he's got randomly twelve plus or how many
kids he's got with these different people. Now. In this case,
Simone and Malcolm said they chose the embryo that she's
now pregnant with because it had a low reported risk
for cancer. They also were happy because it was in
(24:08):
the ninety ninth percentile per the polygenic score in the
likelihood of having really exceptionally high intelligence. And her quote is,
we just thought that was the coolest thing.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
They planned to name him techs Demeson. His middle name,
she noted, comes from Lane M. Banks science fiction novel
Surface Detail, after the avatar of a warship known as
Falling outside the Normal moral constraints Boy, Jesus, Mary and Joseph.
(24:44):
I'm gonna name my kid mister bumber Puss.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
She said that higher intelligence is associated with many good things,
such as high income, but she really wishes they were
genetic tests that could screen for ambition. I think this
is kind of what you were getting at in the
last segment. She said, I will matters a hell of
a lot more than I can't.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Okay, so she's not a total dumb dumb.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
If grit and ambition and curiosity, if we had polygenic
scores for those things, we'd be much more interesting.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Okay, that's good. That's a good way of thinking.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Okay, but now you're talking about people who are willing
to put their bodies through absolute in some cases hell
in order to have multiple embryos to choose from. Again,
he's getting.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
All though, that couldn't achieve.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
No, no, no, naturally, no, no, no no, because the
next couple, as a matter of fact, do choose this
process voluntarily because they want the option of choosing embryos.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
And now you're getting into it's one thing if you
have to do IVF and then there's choices to make
that are uncomfortable, but it is what it is.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
But to choose that is playing with God. This is
oneying God.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
This is one of the It's like a college level
yes ethics class. Yes, if you had a child that
had a defect and you needed to have a transplant
or something like that, would it be ethical for you
to create another child.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
This is the plot of the movie with one of
the blond pretty actresses, My Sister's Keeper, one of those
things where they have a child to basically be a donor.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Yeah, for the child that they have that was born
with a defect.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
It's not the exact same philosophical argument, but it is similar, like,
why is it you're doing this? Why do you have
children in the first place? Is it an outward expression
of you loving your partner and you want to build
a family you feel called to it? It goes back
to our you know, our animal desires to procreate and
(26:55):
fill the earth? Is Is it religious? Is it in
this case? Is it because you think that your smart kid,
your little braddy punk ass smart kid, is going to
save humanity?
Speaker 1 (27:08):
The movie My Sister's Keeper not a true story. It
was Cameron Diaz, I believe, who starred in it, but
is inspired by a real life case story based on
the experiences of the Nash family, whose daughter Mollie was
born with Fanconi anemia, a rare genetic disorder. The family
genetically engineered a baby Adam to provide a bone marrow
(27:28):
match for Molly.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Now in that case, they're not The baby that they
create is not just used and thrown away, no, but
essentially created it.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
It's a whole ethical conversation, isn't it. They dive much
more into that in the book that the movie's based
off on, Jody picolt I believe is her name, great novelist.
She wrote the novel I guess that dives into much
more of the ethical dilemma surrounding such a situation.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
If you're interested, man, if you ever want to comment
on anything that we say, you can always leave us
a talkback message when you're listening on the app. Just
hit that little button. It sends us a message speaking.
We would have been tossed out. B Yeah, there was
not a lot of genetic testing to see if someone's
going to get into radio. If if you have a
(28:25):
speaking of movies, a bad movie that you can't look
away from, you know those movies that are so bad
that you just love watching them, let us know what
it is. We have a metric pantload of suggestions from
people wonderful and some of them are really good movies too,
not just bad ones. It's ones they don't like, but
(28:46):
they simply can't turn away.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Why are we so.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Keen on measuring a metric ton by using feces? Why
can't we say you know, a papaya ton of X,
Y or Z? And why can't we say you know,
Daisy's a daisy ton? Why does that have to be
feces a feces ton? Why are we obsessed with that?
Is it because we're all low iq? We could all
(29:12):
be thrown out from the Petrie Dish.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Strange to me that you're pushing back against pooh humor.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
I'm just wondering.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
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