December 22, 2025 • 33 mins
Gary & Shannon open with #SwampWatch, discuss concerns over overmedication among seniors, welcome Michael Monks to talk new HBO shows, and close with fresh scrutiny surrounding reports on the Palisades fires.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to kf
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Get Ready for Christmas? That is so silly.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
It's gonna be a It's gonna be a very rainy week.
The rain is expected to come in tomorrow Tomorrow night,
mostly afternoon evening, and then on Wednesday it's just going
to dump. There are actually predictions forecasts for some sunshine
on Christmas, but it probably wouldn't be until later in
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the day.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
So Christmas morning, are you a Christmas Eve? Christmas Morning?
I celebrate all of those things.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Christmas morning is likely to be rainy, So yes, get
that fire started.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
It'd be kind of nice if it wasn't up to
eight inches of rain, you know, if it was just
a little.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
If it was just wintry. Yes not noah.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Exactly just days after he became the first person ever
worth six hundred billion dollars, Elon Musk became the first
person worth seven hundred billion dollars. This because the Delaware
Supreme Court had overturned a lower court ruling that he'd
avoided an award of Tesla stock options, which added another
one hundred and thirty nine billion dollars to his estimated worth.
(01:23):
According to Forbes, Elon Musk's fortune is at seven hundred
and forty nine billion dollars after that decision.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
That's a lot.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
We do have some swamp watch news here, just just
some basics. S.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
I'm a cheat and a liar, and when I'm not
kissing babies, I'm stealing their lollipops. Yeah, we got the
real problem is that our leaders are done.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
The other side never quits.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
So what I'm not going anywhere?
Speaker 1 (01:56):
So now you train the squad, I can imagine what
can be and be unburdened by what has been.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
You know, Americans have always been gun act, but they're
not stupid.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
A political flunder is when a politician actually tells the truth.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Why have people voted for you? We not swap watch again.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I saw this on social media and I thought this
can't be right. Nicki Minaj is at an appearance at
Conservatives of Arizona memorializing Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah, she was a turning point USA.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
And I don't know if you saw the video, but
she's talking with Erica Kirk, and Erica Kirk is asking
things like what would you say to young men these days,
growing up at a time when sometimes the value of
masculinity is downplayed. And she said, you know, she's like, well,
you should act like our our handsome president, for example.
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And then she said this and again she's talking to
Erica kirk She said, people have great role models like
that assassin jd Vance. Now she was meaning it kind
of on the fun sly, like he's sneaky at what
he does. But she's literally talking to a woman whose
husband was killed by an assassin.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Now, and she she handled it really well though, Erica Kirki,
I just didn't know Nicki Minaj. It's not surprised to
me that she's with conservative it's a surprise to me
that she's politically minded. I did not know she was
into politics. Is that that's not new?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Well, she's gone after Gavin Newsom, Nicki Minaj and what
she's saying than so tell.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Me, yeah, my algorithm is full of Nicki Minaj. She's
she's gone after Gavin Newsom, specifically in the last say,
ten days, two weeks because he made a comment about
I want to see trans kids.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
The quote out of context is taken.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
I mean it's what he said, so it's not denying that,
but she fought against that and was saying things like,
not even Tran's adults want to see this done to kid,
And that's basically what I mean.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
That was one of the.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Issues that she took issue with with Gavin Newsom and
then referred to him as Gavin newscum and things like that. Right,
But I don't know if I would say she's like
uber politically minded or thoughtful about policy necessarily.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
It's just that this was an issue.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
She's generated a lot of headlines in the last couple
of weeks.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Headlining all of my news rundowns this morning was the
CBS story that CBS polled sixty minute segment on this
notorious El Salvador prison and now it is causing all
sorts of ruffling feathers type activities at CBS News.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Barry Weiss, we know from the Free Press, has taken
over CBS News just a couple of months ago, and
this was really arguably the most controversial thing that she's
done since she took that position. They announced on social
media and in other places that they were not going
to air this Seacot prison poor She said it was
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her decision, did Barry Weiss and explained that she said
more reporting needed.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
To be done. Didn't get into specifics. Now.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
The correspondent who did the story, Sharon al Fonsi, said
the story was factually correct, was cleared by CBS lawyers
and standards and practices, but that the Trump administration had
refused to comment. She gave an opportunity. She contacted the
White House and they refused to comment on the story,
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and Barry Weiss said, we need to try harder to
get their voice in the story. So, Sharon el Fonsie
is an award winning reporter. Did you ever work with
her in Seattle? She was in Seattle or Tiro for
a while when I was there. She said in an
email that they did offer interviews. They had questions directed
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to both the White House or not both to all
the White House, the State Department, and the Department of
Homeland Security. And she said government silence is itself a statement,
not a veto, and the refusal to be interviewed is
a tactical maneuver designed to kill the story. And if
their refusal to participate becomes a valid reason to spike
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a story, we have effectively handed them a kill switch
for any reporting that they find inconvenient.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
This is this adds to the ongoing theory.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
I suppose that CBS and its parents company, Paramount have
absolutely flopped over and are kneeling before President Trump.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
A flop and a Neil and Al seems like too.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Much, or it's Barry Wise saying I'm going to try
to uphold stronger standards for the product that comes out
of the CBS newsroom. But as your as our time reporters,
that is one of the things that you run up
against is a government agency, City of LA, federal agency,
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whatever it is, if they don't want to talk about
a story that also is part of the story. I mean,
I agree with Sharon Alfonsi here because that is the statement.
If they don't want to say anything despite repeated opportunities
for them to give interviews or answer questions, that in
and of itself does say something.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
I remember I got into on a fight years ago
and Chris Little and Michael Clark had to go to
bat for me about with the FBI locally, and it
was simply the FBI won't talk about this. And the
FBI called the newsroom and said I was being provocative
against the FBI. It just said they wouldn't talk about
anything you're factually If you're saying it's provocative, then yeah,
maybe there's something provocative there.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
What do you have to hide if I'm just reporting
exactly that's being done, right?
Speaker 2 (07:51):
All right?
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Too many pills, too many pills. Yeah, this is becoming
an issue. I do like the attention that's being paid
to it. It's awful when you're in the midst of it,
but it is something we all have to pay attention to.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Over medication.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
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Speaker 3 (08:13):
We've been doing a bunch of stories throughout the course
of the day today. The big one, of course, with
this this week is going to be the rain that
is coming in the atmospheric river. We do expect rain
to start tomorrow night and stay with us at least
through Christmas, probably into Friday. And if you're traveling anywhere north,
they've been getting rain for days already. Big announcement is
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expected this morning, sorry, this afternoon from President Trump, Defense
Secretary Pete heggsath Secretary of the Navy John Feelin. We
do not know the White House has not yet said
exactly what this is about, but you can bet based
on Secretary Defense Secretary of the Navy that it has
something to do with the oil tankers that have been
seized in the Caribbean and the one that's being chased.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
So that comes up one thirty this week, one l
this afternoon.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Why do you keep saying that the elves have hidden? Oh,
that's right, the elves have hidden. If you haven't followed
the journey of our elves, their names are.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Sprinkles and sprinkle PONSI man, you just just forget you
hate them? No, I don't hate them. I just I
keep wanting to say. You can't say that. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
My mother in law is going to say that all weak. Yeah,
she's gonna call the current dog by the previous dog's name.
You think so, oh, yes, which is fine.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
I mean we do too. We all we follow in
the woods. Yeah, silly, look exactly the same. They don't
look exactly You're pretty close.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
They're pretty cool anyway, but different personalities completely.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Totally On Instagram at Gary and Shannon, there's a clue
there about the location of Phonsie and Sprinkles today. So
if you if you go on there. You can leave
us a talkback message and give us a hint as
to where we might where we might find them.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
So I don't think it's there yet, but it will be.
It will be in the year twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Yes, just in terms of timing, that was the year
that my mom passed away, and she had been prescribed
a bunch of different.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Medicines and you're still taken them.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Seven point six million seniors simultaneously prescribed eight or more
medications for ninety days, eight or more. There is an
entire industry of things to help you remember to take
your pills and everything from those little the pill boxes,
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the days of the week when my dad when we
had to buy a pill caddy or whatever they call
them for my dad, it was four rows.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
It's a grid for each day of the week before breakfast,
at breakfast, lunch before it's several times a day each day.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah, and modification tables, right, I could. I don't remember
what they all were.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
When my wife finally was able to sit down and
take a look at the things that were, at least
we had a description as to why they were, why
he was on specific medications, and some of them actually
were medications prescribed to counteract the side effects of the earlier.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Medications that have been prescribed.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
And that's the situation that a lot of people find
themselves in right now, especially seniors. I said seven point
six million had eight or more medications, three point nine
million had ten or more medications, and there were about
a half a million, almost a half a million seniors
prescribed fifteen plus drugs at the same time.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Well, and the concern that I would have, because I've
heard horror stories, is that some of these interact with
each other and that is not flagged in the hospital
system or what have you.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
And obviously there's supposed to be the charts are supposed
to include every medication that you're on. But if you
have a general practitioner, you have your regular family doctor,
and you've got especially you've got an oncologist who's working here,
you have a cardiologist who's working there, are it's just
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going to happen that some of those fall through the craft.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
So there's not one database for each patient.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
That there's not a database that exists where all those
doctors could communicate into about that one patient.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Well, in some cases, there are some if you belong
to a specific health plan.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
There are.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
When my dad, for example, had the ability, we had
the ability to go on to his chart and keep
track of everything, and his doctors also had access to
that chart electronic. They could check whatever medications he's on
or had been on previously, and notes from the other doctors.
This medication worked great, this one didn't work so good,
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this one we're good. So in that instance, yes, there
can be a lot of information. And in other instances
where you're just dealing with I have to bring my
list of medication to this new specialist so they know
what they're on or however it's gonna work, there's going
to be a lot of confusion. And if you're talking
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about mom and dad or grandma and grandpa, they're already
dealing with all kinds of stuff, whether health issues that
would require multiple medications. You're now expecting them to keep
track of all of their medications. And some of them
are four times a day, Some of them you take
with foods, some of them you don't take with foods,
some of them you can't take with the other pill.
And some of them you have to pee in your
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own bathroom because it's causing radioactivity in your body. I mean,
there's so much that can go on on in it
that of course it's going to fall through the cracks
unless we come up with a much more robust way
to track your medications and flag any what are they called?
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Well, how do you remember all of them? The other thing?
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yeah, you know, I've heard sides of people is taking
their mom man or whatever and just taking all the
pill bubbles and just whosh, put them in a box
and saying, this is what she's on.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
I don't know what any of these are, but have
at it.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
And how many of those do you even think that
they're still taking at that point? You know, it's just
it's just such a how many pills are you on
right now?
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Zero? I don't take medications.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
I did a couple of weeks ago when I had
my cold that I was I saw that, I.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Saw that, I saw pill popping. You did it right here. Yeah,
I'm not afraid of it. Yeah, I'm not afraid. Well,
you're very lucky that you don't have to take anything.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Well, that's also the reason I haven't gone to the
doctor for fear that they're going to try to put
me on medicine.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
And I just got to go no. You could say no.
I also could say no.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yeah, And so America, you are an adult. No one's
gonna tell you you have to do anything.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
But I would rather change things about what I'm doing first,
right before I tried, before I try to. For some people,
medicine is the only thing.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
But here's the thing. Like for me, my cholesterol was high.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
I would have never known that if I didn't get
blood work done routinely for not having a thyroid, you know.
And that's why I made life changes to do to
write a lower that you wouldn't know right now if
your cholesterol was high, you could be making dietary changes.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
I know what it was a few years ago, Yeah,
three years ago.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
I mean that was the last time I had a
full blood panel done. Well, that was when you were
in your forties. Now you're in the danger zone.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
The danger zone.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
I just made that up, paid for by the American
Medical Association. All right, when we come back, Michael Monks
will join us. We're going to be talking about the
fire report that was changed seven times in the Palisades
before it got released, and a very public feud over
the fire response between that.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
You can't say that as a as a male. Which
part makes it sound like you're saying catfight too. Well,
I wasn't saying cat fight. I was still referring to
the story of the owl.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
That you want in that you weren't. I'm just trying
to say, you're trying to save your bacon.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Well, Piggy, you're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand
from KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Deborah, you watched sex shows. Have you heard about this
new show. It's on HBO Max. It's heavily promoted. It's
called Heated Rivalry.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
It's about hockey.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Two guys who play for rival hockey teams and they
have a steamy romance. It's apparently very popular with women.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I have not heard of that. I'm gonna have to
check it out.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Yeah, I've seen it on HBO Max and I've just
been like, oh, that's a gay hockey story.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Cool, both of things that I just didn't know were
in my wheelhouse to sit down and enjoy heated romance
and hockey. But it's very pot popular, especially with straight,
middle aged woman like myself. And I'm gonna give it
a try.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
Okay, you let me know if I should watch it. Well,
you and I pretty much have the scene.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah, I'll try an episode for both of us.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
Okay, okay, I am right now. I'm watching I think
it's on Netflix, but it's not that sexy. It's uh,
I forgot the name. But it's about Queen Victoria.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Oh that's on HBO too, yeah, I think, Oh, no,
Victoria's on Netflix. There's another one called like Seduction, okay,
about about one of those British.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
People on Hbokay, sorry, Michael Monks. Michael Monks is here.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
I am here, and I have been watching Heated Rivalry
and you have been watching it for the hockey. Well, yeah,
I'm curious because it's it's a it's a gay thing.
It's it's impacting the Capital C culture. You know, a
lot of online discourse around this about its representation and
really the audience that it's for. And it's uh, it's
very smutty, you know. I mean, it's very well done
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soap opera e no. I mean, look, the performances are good,
the production is very nice.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Uh. This sex scenes are quite intense.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
They're shot with taste, but they are you know, suggesting
a lot that's happening that you don't typically see in
mainstream television depictions of two men in a relationship, and
it's the story is a little weird because they are
two professional hockey athletes who are closeted and the story
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which it's based on a book written.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
By a woman. Yeah, Taylor read right, it's.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Something read Rachel read, yes, exactly. And it takes place
over the course of years. And this is where the
storyteller in me, I guess, gets a little bit put
off by it. Not necessarily by the intensity of the
sex scenes, but it's years that are passing, and this
relationship is still so shallow in my view, Like I'm
not invested in these folks because like literal years are
(18:51):
pad they show screen cards on the screen, like now
it's twenty thirteen, now it's twenty fourteen, now it's twenty fifteen,
and you're still getting these sexually charged little text messages
to each other rather than any depth, at least through
the first few episodes that I've.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Okay, So it's just like, is that a stereotype for
gay men? Oh, that it's just always about the sex,
even in a relationship.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
It never gets deeper. It's always just two dudes who
want to bone maybe that's part of the discourse.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
But to the contrary, there are some gay guys who
say no, no, no. Gay guys just want to bone and
that's the way that gay sex should be depicted. This
is suggesting that there is some sort of intense bond
between these two that I don't feel is earned. Just
as a viewer, it doesn't feel earned to me. There's
another show that's also on HBO called.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I Love La Yes, I'm watching that that has.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
A supporting character who is gay in the show, and
he has a gay sex scene too that is clearly
a one off hookup, and after they finish, he texts
another man about the date they have scheduled. And that
actor criticized heated rivalry for its depictions. That's not how
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gay sex is at all, and it created this whole
online discourse.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Wow, you know, it's a lot going on. That's just
men in general, gay or straight. You finished hooking up
with someone, you're texting the next one. That's just being
a dude.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
I just say, let a thousand flowers bloom. It's nobody's
You're never going to be able to depict anything accurately
when there are so many people that identify a certain way.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
But we're talking off air.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Twenty years ago, Broke Back Mountain came out and this
was a mainstream was twenty years and you remember all
of the jokes, right, I mean, this was a movie
that you could make jokes about, even though it was
a gorgeous film. I love that moutiful and that showed
two closeted men tormented by the feelings that they had
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for each other. Yeah, heated rivalry doesn't capture that. However,
you're seeing straight guys talk about heated rivalry in a
way that you never see straight guys talk about gay
oriented story. And it's very positive. It's very positive good.
It's it's penetrated mainstream pop culture for lack of a
(21:06):
better word, indeed, And so I mean to that end,
I say, you know, I guess that's a good thing
if you're a supportive of gay rights and gay representation.
There's nothing bad about the fact that I watch I
watched clips today on Twitter on x a hockey based podcast,
did a full recap.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Oh wow, have an episode two Street up. How much
hockey is involved in this show? It's a lot of hockey.
Oh good.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I mean, they do depict their careers. Now I've only
seen the first three episodes.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Do they get into the difference between icing and off sides?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
I don't know that. That's why I always get stuck.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
I don't know a lot of the technical execution of
the the game of hockey. The technical execution of the
sex is what's driving a lot of this discourse.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Okay, I'm going to watch the trailer and the break.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Sorry, we brought you on to talk about the Palisades
after action fire report, I believe, yeah, something else on.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Fire Ooh, whoa, you're welcome. I think that was homophone.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
No, no, no, I'm just tell him how much you love
gay people, love gay people.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
I think you were very close to being gay yourself.
Wait what.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Listen, you got.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
A couple of twists of the DNA just because he's
good at show tunes.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
I'm not good at show I know, but you you.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Have that essence like I think you could kill a
show tune.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
And I know you're straight as a freaking is it arrow?
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Yeah, and I'm not doubting your sexuality at all either,
But you would have been a very good gay I
will take as a compliment. Well, I think he's he's
very clean. Yes, he is very, very clean.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
He's very organized. Have you seen his feet?
Speaker 3 (22:43):
I miss her. I missed the feet at a live event.
I missed it. You're very well moisturized.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
He is. I am not. Actually, that's kind of She
was looking at my hand.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
She goes, oh, your hands are try I don't know
why you.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Our main fight.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Well, if only you had a producer who was in
tune with the community.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
I mean to what moisturized my hands? I mean it
can give you some tips. That's the point of having
a gay guy.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Around, and he does, and he's very It used to
be that straight women gravitated towards having gay friends, but
I think there is now a space where straight guys
and gay guys can have very close friendships. Well, the
TV show that they did the Queer Eye for the
Straight Guy, which was broke a lot of ground. It
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did break a lot of ground, that's right. And now
look where we are two hockey players having casual intercourse.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
But they can't come out right? Is that the whole?
Speaker 3 (23:43):
I mean again, I've only seen there's a couple episodes
behind I, so I don't know where they are in this.
I try and avoid the spoilers, But because I've interacted
with some tweets, I get a lot of the stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
The algorithm.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Oh my god, it's too much, but it is constant.
It is the top show that people I think are
talking about, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
I know, and it's very popular with straight women. I don't.
I don't remember feeling anything during Broke Back Mountain, but
not even heartbreak. Oh sure, yes, I remember that being
a but see that's the difference. That's what I mean.
That's what's so different about that. The women exactly.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
You felt pain for everybody involved in this because the
story was told so beautifully, it was so well written,
and you believed every single moment was.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Aaron Rodgers to get that guy. This show is a
much shallogake.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Jill and Hall and Aaron Rodgers look alike back then
they did. Oh yeah yeah, but Heath Ledger looks great.
No matter who he's interested in. He's no longer with us.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
God bless him, God bless him, bless everybody. Not Christmas
thing says, and God bless you and you, God bless
us everyone.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Yeah, the sick kid says that tiny tim this is sick.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Did you never see.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
This bush before? We've done this like four times already,
and you don't even remember the name. It's kind of
like going to church. You don't remember, you remember, but
you don't really remember. Like you're listening, but you're are
you really listening?
Speaker 2 (25:03):
If you want to go to heaven? Thank you.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
I think I've got a spot saved in purgatory. Yeah, yeah,
me too, right, I think that's most Catholics do.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
But you're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
I mean that's also part of the whole joke, is that.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
You are you are eternally optimistic about stuff. You played
a Guardian Angel last year, if I recall correctly, when
I was infamously left out of the production, I have.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Come out to say things to both of you that
are not holiday.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Like.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Hold on bill, Oh jeez.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
You should probably keep the lights on when you're in
laws in town. I didn't pay my water bill. Speaking
of payment, Yeah, okay, we're Goodlet I do that right now.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Michael Montz has joined us.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
There's a report that's been put together regarding after action report,
if you will, on the Palisades Fire and Battalion Chief
Kenneth Cook was the report writer come to find out
that his work that he thought was a final draft
was very very rough and had been edited multiple times.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
What's going on with this?
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Well, we got this after action report that the city
promised that the La Fire Department would produce related to
the Palisades fire. We did receive it, we all looked
at it, we reported on it, you talked about it
on this program. The La Times came out with a
story over the weekend that this report had been revised
many times, about seven times in fact, and they got
their hands on every single version of this as part
(26:49):
of this report that they did. Now, when you think
about the stakes that are involved with post Palisades investigations,
they're very, very high and so objective. We might be
able to think, yeah, of course you're gonna look over this,
you're gonna suggest some edits. But what the Only Times
found was a lot of the language was very very
(27:09):
softened from a more maybe confessional version that identified a
lot of the flaws in the execution of the city's
preparedness and fighting for and against the Palisades fire. So
LA FD officials remove language that said the decision not
to fully staff and pre deploy all available crews and
engines ahead of that historically strong wind forecast the day
(27:33):
of the fire. Quote did not align with the department's
procedures during red flag days, and they changed that language,
for example, to saying that the number of engine companies
put in place when above and beyond the standard fire
deployment Fire Department pre deployment matrix. That's just one example
that really stuck out to me as the most jarring
(27:54):
because again it started very confessional. We didn't do what
we as a department say we will do when the
forecast suggests this type of wind.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
And change it to good.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
We did above and beyond, above and beyond, So that
does suggest somebody felt like they needed to protect themselves
from that type of confection. Now now they also changed
like a section that had originally been called failures to
primary challenges. That's not as big a deal, right, That's
(28:29):
just a pr that's public relations. It doesn't necessarily change
the context of what you're explaining. You're just changing the
headline to be a little bit softer. So that's not
as big a deal in my view, compared to basically
saying we violated our own policy and changing that around
saying we went well above and beyond our own policy.
(28:50):
So it's a pretty significant report the only times put out.
So who's responsible for the changes? I mean, if Kenneth
Cook is the original author, who are they looking at
that may have had their fingers in the cookie chair.
The edits did not have anybody's names on them. It
looks like or they were redacted, so we don't know
exactly who did this, but or who issued the directives that, hey,
(29:14):
we maybe shouldn't put this type of wording out in public.
It's too confessional, So we don't know exactly. This was
a report that was commissioned by the fire department to
put out on its own, evaluating its own behavior and
response to the Palisades part Now. City council Woman Monica
Rodriguez put out a statement shortly after the release of
(29:35):
this story on Saturday, and she said today's reporting makes
clear that accountability is optional when after action reports are
conducted in house with oversight by political appointees, which would
seem to be a reference to a police chief. This
was done during the interim police chief era. She goes
on to say, after action reports are meant to provide
(29:55):
a comprehensive and transparent assessment of key leadership decisions to
and sure proper accountability. She says, if these reports are
purposefully watered down to cover up failures, it leaves Angelino's
firefighters and city officials without a full understanding of what
happened and what needs to change.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
You said, interim police chief, you meant fire chief. I'm
sorry I did. Thank you for correcting that. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
This is such a We've said this many times when
it comes to politicians, whether it's federal level, local level,
the cover up is so much worse.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
There's always so much worse.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
So whoever is responsible for this, the covering up of
what was a very it sounds like a very honest
and upfront, like you use the word confessional report waters
everything down, It spreads it all out, so you can't
even see where it. In a time where people are
very distrustful already about this city's response to it, for
it to have this opportunity to explain itself, the department,
(30:52):
and to find out that these serious changes were made,
it only raises that that level of distrust.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Thank you, Michael, it's my pleasure. See that's heartfelt. Yeah,
what what time is play practice?
Speaker 1 (31:09):
So, uh, I don't know. I've never been. I think
it's more of a raw experience here. We just get
in and we.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Just do it live a cold breathe on the air. Yeah, okay,
may I have a script? I do like to internalize
my it's not done yet. Okay, what time is the play?
What time are we broadcasting the Christmas pl It'll be Wednesday.
I think we'll start eleven. We have a quick prep
segment where we kind of introduce everybody what's going on,
(31:39):
and then we do it's four chapters, four staves, and
then a cast party.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
At the end. Oh I love that.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Yeah, I'm actually off on Wednesday. I'm coming in just
for the show. Am I getting Scale? Union Scale or
a Dialca?
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Cookies?
Speaker 3 (31:54):
We'll deal with your your yeah, okay, we'll take a
look at your car.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Can I bring in some kombucha? Okay? Well that'll make yeah,
I love that. Yeah, it's good. And diapers, oh dear.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
I'll bring in some champagne and bubbly Kim kombucha.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Delicious, some ciders probably of some kind. I'll bring Divinity.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
What's that? That's the candy I make?
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (32:19):
Oh yeah, Gary, I better have a bigger part than
Michael Monks.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
That's not happening. You didn't audition, You weren't here on
the auditions.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
You missed the audition gone for four and a half months.
What I didn't even know if you were going to
be back in time.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
You could have sent me a text. What is You
would not have responded to a text for me?
Speaker 3 (32:36):
And you're a different You were to lost the international
date line.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
You know, I'm not like most people. I don't really
have any boundaries.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Well, let me say this. I did leave messages for
your agent and she never got back to me.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
It's funny the two women in our program, Heather and Deborah,
both demanded that they have bigger roles than Michael Monks, and.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Yet neither of them prepared a monologue. And I did.
I auditioned last week on the DAYTA he did a
whole Shakespeare Macbeth thing. It was involved.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
We'll talk trending when we come back to Gary and Shannon.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
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Speaker 3 (33:12):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Get Ready for Christmas? That is so silly.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
It's gonna be a It's gonna be a very rainy week.
The rain is expected to come in tomorrow Tomorrow night,
mostly afternoon evening, and then on Wednesday it's just going
to dump. There are actually predictions forecasts for some sunshine
on Christmas, but it probably wouldn't be until later in
(00:33):
the day.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
So Christmas morning, are you a Christmas Eve? Christmas Morning?
I celebrate all of those things.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Christmas morning is likely to be rainy, So yes, get
that fire started.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
It'd be kind of nice if it wasn't up to
eight inches of rain, you know, if it was just
a little.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
If it was just wintry. Yes not noah.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Exactly just days after he became the first person ever
worth six hundred billion dollars, Elon Musk became the first
person worth seven hundred billion dollars. This because the Delaware
Supreme Court had overturned a lower court ruling that he'd
avoided an award of Tesla stock options, which added another
one hundred and thirty nine billion dollars to his estimated worth.
(01:23):
According to Forbes, Elon Musk's fortune is at seven hundred
and forty nine billion dollars after that decision.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
That's a lot.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
We do have some swamp watch news here, just just
some basics. S.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
I'm a cheat and a liar, and when I'm not
kissing babies, I'm stealing their lollipops. Yeah, we got the
real problem is that our leaders are done.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
The other side never quits.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
So what I'm not going anywhere?
Speaker 1 (01:56):
So now you train the squad, I can imagine what
can be and be unburdened by what has been.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
You know, Americans have always been gun act, but they're
not stupid.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
A political flunder is when a politician actually tells the truth.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Why have people voted for you? We not swap watch again.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I saw this on social media and I thought this
can't be right. Nicki Minaj is at an appearance at
Conservatives of Arizona memorializing Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah, she was a turning point USA.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
And I don't know if you saw the video, but
she's talking with Erica Kirk, and Erica Kirk is asking
things like what would you say to young men these days,
growing up at a time when sometimes the value of
masculinity is downplayed. And she said, you know, she's like, well,
you should act like our our handsome president, for example.
(02:46):
And then she said this and again she's talking to
Erica kirk She said, people have great role models like
that assassin jd Vance. Now she was meaning it kind
of on the fun sly, like he's sneaky at what
he does. But she's literally talking to a woman whose
husband was killed by an assassin.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Now, and she she handled it really well though, Erica Kirki,
I just didn't know Nicki Minaj. It's not surprised to
me that she's with conservative it's a surprise to me
that she's politically minded. I did not know she was
into politics. Is that that's not new?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Well, she's gone after Gavin Newsom, Nicki Minaj and what
she's saying than so tell.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Me, yeah, my algorithm is full of Nicki Minaj. She's
she's gone after Gavin Newsom, specifically in the last say,
ten days, two weeks because he made a comment about
I want to see trans kids.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
The quote out of context is taken.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
I mean it's what he said, so it's not denying that,
but she fought against that and was saying things like,
not even Tran's adults want to see this done to kid,
And that's basically what I mean.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
That was one of the.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Issues that she took issue with with Gavin Newsom and
then referred to him as Gavin newscum and things like that. Right,
But I don't know if I would say she's like
uber politically minded or thoughtful about policy necessarily.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
It's just that this was an issue.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
She's generated a lot of headlines in the last couple
of weeks.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Headlining all of my news rundowns this morning was the
CBS story that CBS polled sixty minute segment on this
notorious El Salvador prison and now it is causing all
sorts of ruffling feathers type activities at CBS News.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Barry Weiss, we know from the Free Press, has taken
over CBS News just a couple of months ago, and
this was really arguably the most controversial thing that she's
done since she took that position. They announced on social
media and in other places that they were not going
to air this Seacot prison poor She said it was
(05:02):
her decision, did Barry Weiss and explained that she said
more reporting needed.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
To be done. Didn't get into specifics. Now.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
The correspondent who did the story, Sharon al Fonsi, said
the story was factually correct, was cleared by CBS lawyers
and standards and practices, but that the Trump administration had
refused to comment. She gave an opportunity. She contacted the
White House and they refused to comment on the story,
(05:31):
and Barry Weiss said, we need to try harder to
get their voice in the story. So, Sharon el Fonsie
is an award winning reporter. Did you ever work with
her in Seattle? She was in Seattle or Tiro for
a while when I was there. She said in an
email that they did offer interviews. They had questions directed
(05:55):
to both the White House or not both to all
the White House, the State Department, and the Department of
Homeland Security. And she said government silence is itself a statement,
not a veto, and the refusal to be interviewed is
a tactical maneuver designed to kill the story. And if
their refusal to participate becomes a valid reason to spike
(06:17):
a story, we have effectively handed them a kill switch
for any reporting that they find inconvenient.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
This is this adds to the ongoing theory.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
I suppose that CBS and its parents company, Paramount have
absolutely flopped over and are kneeling before President Trump.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
A flop and a Neil and Al seems like too.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Much, or it's Barry Wise saying I'm going to try
to uphold stronger standards for the product that comes out
of the CBS newsroom. But as your as our time reporters,
that is one of the things that you run up
against is a government agency, City of LA, federal agency,
(07:06):
whatever it is, if they don't want to talk about
a story that also is part of the story. I mean,
I agree with Sharon Alfonsi here because that is the statement.
If they don't want to say anything despite repeated opportunities
for them to give interviews or answer questions, that in
and of itself does say something.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
I remember I got into on a fight years ago
and Chris Little and Michael Clark had to go to
bat for me about with the FBI locally, and it
was simply the FBI won't talk about this. And the
FBI called the newsroom and said I was being provocative
against the FBI. It just said they wouldn't talk about
anything you're factually If you're saying it's provocative, then yeah,
maybe there's something provocative there.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
What do you have to hide if I'm just reporting
exactly that's being done, right?
Speaker 2 (07:51):
All right?
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Too many pills, too many pills. Yeah, this is becoming
an issue. I do like the attention that's being paid
to it. It's awful when you're in the midst of it,
but it is something we all have to pay attention to.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Over medication.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
Am six forty.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
We've been doing a bunch of stories throughout the course
of the day today. The big one, of course, with
this this week is going to be the rain that
is coming in the atmospheric river. We do expect rain
to start tomorrow night and stay with us at least
through Christmas, probably into Friday. And if you're traveling anywhere north,
they've been getting rain for days already. Big announcement is
(08:35):
expected this morning, sorry, this afternoon from President Trump, Defense
Secretary Pete heggsath Secretary of the Navy John Feelin. We
do not know the White House has not yet said
exactly what this is about, but you can bet based
on Secretary Defense Secretary of the Navy that it has
something to do with the oil tankers that have been
seized in the Caribbean and the one that's being chased.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
So that comes up one thirty this week, one l
this afternoon.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Why do you keep saying that the elves have hidden? Oh,
that's right, the elves have hidden. If you haven't followed
the journey of our elves, their names are.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Sprinkles and sprinkle PONSI man, you just just forget you
hate them? No, I don't hate them. I just I
keep wanting to say. You can't say that. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
My mother in law is going to say that all weak. Yeah,
she's gonna call the current dog by the previous dog's name.
You think so, oh, yes, which is fine.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
I mean we do too. We all we follow in
the woods. Yeah, silly, look exactly the same. They don't
look exactly You're pretty close.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
They're pretty cool anyway, but different personalities completely.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Totally On Instagram at Gary and Shannon, there's a clue
there about the location of Phonsie and Sprinkles today. So
if you if you go on there. You can leave
us a talkback message and give us a hint as
to where we might where we might find them.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
So I don't think it's there yet, but it will be.
It will be in the year twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Yes, just in terms of timing, that was the year
that my mom passed away, and she had been prescribed
a bunch of different.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Medicines and you're still taken them.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Seven point six million seniors simultaneously prescribed eight or more
medications for ninety days, eight or more. There is an
entire industry of things to help you remember to take
your pills and everything from those little the pill boxes,
(10:45):
the days of the week when my dad when we
had to buy a pill caddy or whatever they call
them for my dad, it was four rows.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
It's a grid for each day of the week before breakfast,
at breakfast, lunch before it's several times a day each day.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah, and modification tables, right, I could. I don't remember
what they all were.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
When my wife finally was able to sit down and
take a look at the things that were, at least
we had a description as to why they were, why
he was on specific medications, and some of them actually
were medications prescribed to counteract the side effects of the earlier.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Medications that have been prescribed.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
And that's the situation that a lot of people find
themselves in right now, especially seniors. I said seven point
six million had eight or more medications, three point nine
million had ten or more medications, and there were about
a half a million, almost a half a million seniors
prescribed fifteen plus drugs at the same time.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Well, and the concern that I would have, because I've
heard horror stories, is that some of these interact with
each other and that is not flagged in the hospital
system or what have you.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
And obviously there's supposed to be the charts are supposed
to include every medication that you're on. But if you
have a general practitioner, you have your regular family doctor,
and you've got especially you've got an oncologist who's working here,
you have a cardiologist who's working there, are it's just
(12:31):
going to happen that some of those fall through the craft.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
So there's not one database for each patient.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
That there's not a database that exists where all those
doctors could communicate into about that one patient.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Well, in some cases, there are some if you belong
to a specific health plan.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
There are.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
When my dad, for example, had the ability, we had
the ability to go on to his chart and keep
track of everything, and his doctors also had access to
that chart electronic. They could check whatever medications he's on
or had been on previously, and notes from the other doctors.
This medication worked great, this one didn't work so good,
(13:13):
this one we're good. So in that instance, yes, there
can be a lot of information. And in other instances
where you're just dealing with I have to bring my
list of medication to this new specialist so they know
what they're on or however it's gonna work, there's going
to be a lot of confusion. And if you're talking
(13:34):
about mom and dad or grandma and grandpa, they're already
dealing with all kinds of stuff, whether health issues that
would require multiple medications. You're now expecting them to keep
track of all of their medications. And some of them
are four times a day, Some of them you take
with foods, some of them you don't take with foods,
some of them you can't take with the other pill.
And some of them you have to pee in your
(13:54):
own bathroom because it's causing radioactivity in your body. I mean,
there's so much that can go on on in it
that of course it's going to fall through the cracks
unless we come up with a much more robust way
to track your medications and flag any what are they called?
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Well, how do you remember all of them? The other thing?
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yeah, you know, I've heard sides of people is taking
their mom man or whatever and just taking all the
pill bubbles and just whosh, put them in a box
and saying, this is what she's on.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
I don't know what any of these are, but have
at it.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
And how many of those do you even think that
they're still taking at that point? You know, it's just
it's just such a how many pills are you on
right now?
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Zero? I don't take medications.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
I did a couple of weeks ago when I had
my cold that I was I saw that, I.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Saw that, I saw pill popping. You did it right here. Yeah,
I'm not afraid of it. Yeah, I'm not afraid. Well,
you're very lucky that you don't have to take anything.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Well, that's also the reason I haven't gone to the
doctor for fear that they're going to try to put
me on medicine.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
And I just got to go no. You could say no.
I also could say no.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yeah, And so America, you are an adult. No one's
gonna tell you you have to do anything.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
But I would rather change things about what I'm doing first,
right before I tried, before I try to. For some people,
medicine is the only thing.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
But here's the thing. Like for me, my cholesterol was high.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
I would have never known that if I didn't get
blood work done routinely for not having a thyroid, you know.
And that's why I made life changes to do to
write a lower that you wouldn't know right now if
your cholesterol was high, you could be making dietary changes.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
I know what it was a few years ago, Yeah,
three years ago.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
I mean that was the last time I had a
full blood panel done. Well, that was when you were
in your forties. Now you're in the danger zone.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
The danger zone.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
I just made that up, paid for by the American
Medical Association. All right, when we come back, Michael Monks
will join us. We're going to be talking about the
fire report that was changed seven times in the Palisades
before it got released, and a very public feud over
the fire response between that.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
You can't say that as a as a male. Which
part makes it sound like you're saying catfight too. Well,
I wasn't saying cat fight. I was still referring to
the story of the owl.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
That you want in that you weren't. I'm just trying
to say, you're trying to save your bacon.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Well, Piggy, you're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand
from KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Deborah, you watched sex shows. Have you heard about this
new show. It's on HBO Max. It's heavily promoted. It's
called Heated Rivalry.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
It's about hockey.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Two guys who play for rival hockey teams and they
have a steamy romance. It's apparently very popular with women.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I have not heard of that. I'm gonna have to
check it out.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Yeah, I've seen it on HBO Max and I've just
been like, oh, that's a gay hockey story.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Cool, both of things that I just didn't know were
in my wheelhouse to sit down and enjoy heated romance
and hockey. But it's very pot popular, especially with straight,
middle aged woman like myself. And I'm gonna give it
a try.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
Okay, you let me know if I should watch it. Well,
you and I pretty much have the scene.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah, I'll try an episode for both of us.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
Okay, okay, I am right now. I'm watching I think
it's on Netflix, but it's not that sexy. It's uh,
I forgot the name. But it's about Queen Victoria.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Oh that's on HBO too, yeah, I think, Oh, no,
Victoria's on Netflix. There's another one called like Seduction, okay,
about about one of those British.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
People on Hbokay, sorry, Michael Monks. Michael Monks is here.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
I am here, and I have been watching Heated Rivalry
and you have been watching it for the hockey. Well, yeah,
I'm curious because it's it's a it's a gay thing.
It's it's impacting the Capital C culture. You know, a
lot of online discourse around this about its representation and
really the audience that it's for. And it's uh, it's
very smutty, you know. I mean, it's very well done
(17:52):
soap opera e no. I mean, look, the performances are good,
the production is very nice.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Uh. This sex scenes are quite intense.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
They're shot with taste, but they are you know, suggesting
a lot that's happening that you don't typically see in
mainstream television depictions of two men in a relationship, and
it's the story is a little weird because they are
two professional hockey athletes who are closeted and the story
(18:24):
which it's based on a book written.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
By a woman. Yeah, Taylor read right, it's.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Something read Rachel read, yes, exactly. And it takes place
over the course of years. And this is where the
storyteller in me, I guess, gets a little bit put
off by it. Not necessarily by the intensity of the
sex scenes, but it's years that are passing, and this
relationship is still so shallow in my view, Like I'm
not invested in these folks because like literal years are
(18:51):
pad they show screen cards on the screen, like now
it's twenty thirteen, now it's twenty fourteen, now it's twenty fifteen,
and you're still getting these sexually charged little text messages
to each other rather than any depth, at least through
the first few episodes that I've.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Okay, So it's just like, is that a stereotype for
gay men? Oh, that it's just always about the sex,
even in a relationship.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
It never gets deeper. It's always just two dudes who
want to bone maybe that's part of the discourse.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
But to the contrary, there are some gay guys who
say no, no, no. Gay guys just want to bone and
that's the way that gay sex should be depicted. This
is suggesting that there is some sort of intense bond
between these two that I don't feel is earned. Just
as a viewer, it doesn't feel earned to me. There's
another show that's also on HBO called.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I Love La Yes, I'm watching that that has.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
A supporting character who is gay in the show, and
he has a gay sex scene too that is clearly
a one off hookup, and after they finish, he texts
another man about the date they have scheduled. And that
actor criticized heated rivalry for its depictions. That's not how
(19:58):
gay sex is at all, and it created this whole
online discourse.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Wow, you know, it's a lot going on. That's just
men in general, gay or straight. You finished hooking up
with someone, you're texting the next one. That's just being
a dude.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
I just say, let a thousand flowers bloom. It's nobody's
You're never going to be able to depict anything accurately
when there are so many people that identify a certain way.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
But we're talking off air.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Twenty years ago, Broke Back Mountain came out and this
was a mainstream was twenty years and you remember all
of the jokes, right, I mean, this was a movie
that you could make jokes about, even though it was
a gorgeous film. I love that moutiful and that showed
two closeted men tormented by the feelings that they had
(20:45):
for each other. Yeah, heated rivalry doesn't capture that. However,
you're seeing straight guys talk about heated rivalry in a
way that you never see straight guys talk about gay
oriented story. And it's very positive. It's very positive good.
It's it's penetrated mainstream pop culture for lack of a
(21:06):
better word, indeed, And so I mean to that end,
I say, you know, I guess that's a good thing
if you're a supportive of gay rights and gay representation.
There's nothing bad about the fact that I watch I
watched clips today on Twitter on x a hockey based podcast,
did a full recap.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Oh wow, have an episode two Street up. How much
hockey is involved in this show? It's a lot of hockey.
Oh good.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I mean, they do depict their careers. Now I've only
seen the first three episodes.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Do they get into the difference between icing and off sides?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
I don't know that. That's why I always get stuck.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
I don't know a lot of the technical execution of
the the game of hockey. The technical execution of the
sex is what's driving a lot of this discourse.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Okay, I'm going to watch the trailer and the break.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Sorry, we brought you on to talk about the Palisades
after action fire report, I believe, yeah, something else on.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Fire Ooh, whoa, you're welcome. I think that was homophone.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
No, no, no, I'm just tell him how much you love
gay people, love gay people.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
I think you were very close to being gay yourself.
Wait what.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Listen, you got.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
A couple of twists of the DNA just because he's
good at show tunes.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
I'm not good at show I know, but you you.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Have that essence like I think you could kill a
show tune.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
And I know you're straight as a freaking is it arrow?
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Yeah, and I'm not doubting your sexuality at all either,
But you would have been a very good gay I
will take as a compliment. Well, I think he's he's
very clean. Yes, he is very, very clean.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
He's very organized. Have you seen his feet?
Speaker 3 (22:43):
I miss her. I missed the feet at a live event.
I missed it. You're very well moisturized.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
He is. I am not. Actually, that's kind of She
was looking at my hand.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
She goes, oh, your hands are try I don't know
why you.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Our main fight.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Well, if only you had a producer who was in
tune with the community.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
I mean to what moisturized my hands? I mean it
can give you some tips. That's the point of having
a gay guy.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Around, and he does, and he's very It used to
be that straight women gravitated towards having gay friends, but
I think there is now a space where straight guys
and gay guys can have very close friendships. Well, the
TV show that they did the Queer Eye for the
Straight Guy, which was broke a lot of ground. It
(23:35):
did break a lot of ground, that's right. And now
look where we are two hockey players having casual intercourse.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
But they can't come out right? Is that the whole?
Speaker 3 (23:43):
I mean again, I've only seen there's a couple episodes
behind I, so I don't know where they are in this.
I try and avoid the spoilers, But because I've interacted
with some tweets, I get a lot of the stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
The algorithm.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Oh my god, it's too much, but it is constant.
It is the top show that people I think are
talking about, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
I know, and it's very popular with straight women. I don't.
I don't remember feeling anything during Broke Back Mountain, but
not even heartbreak. Oh sure, yes, I remember that being
a but see that's the difference. That's what I mean.
That's what's so different about that. The women exactly.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
You felt pain for everybody involved in this because the
story was told so beautifully, it was so well written,
and you believed every single moment was.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Aaron Rodgers to get that guy. This show is a
much shallogake.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Jill and Hall and Aaron Rodgers look alike back then
they did. Oh yeah yeah, but Heath Ledger looks great.
No matter who he's interested in. He's no longer with us.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
God bless him, God bless him, bless everybody. Not Christmas
thing says, and God bless you and you, God bless
us everyone.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Yeah, the sick kid says that tiny tim this is sick.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Did you never see.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
This bush before? We've done this like four times already,
and you don't even remember the name. It's kind of
like going to church. You don't remember, you remember, but
you don't really remember. Like you're listening, but you're are
you really listening?
Speaker 2 (25:03):
If you want to go to heaven? Thank you.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
I think I've got a spot saved in purgatory. Yeah, yeah,
me too, right, I think that's most Catholics do.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
But you're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
I mean that's also part of the whole joke, is that.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
You are you are eternally optimistic about stuff. You played
a Guardian Angel last year, if I recall correctly, when
I was infamously left out of the production, I have.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Come out to say things to both of you that
are not holiday.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Like.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Hold on bill, Oh jeez.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
You should probably keep the lights on when you're in
laws in town. I didn't pay my water bill. Speaking
of payment, Yeah, okay, we're Goodlet I do that right now.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Michael Montz has joined us.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
There's a report that's been put together regarding after action report,
if you will, on the Palisades Fire and Battalion Chief
Kenneth Cook was the report writer come to find out
that his work that he thought was a final draft
was very very rough and had been edited multiple times.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
What's going on with this?
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Well, we got this after action report that the city
promised that the La Fire Department would produce related to
the Palisades fire. We did receive it, we all looked
at it, we reported on it, you talked about it
on this program. The La Times came out with a
story over the weekend that this report had been revised
many times, about seven times in fact, and they got
their hands on every single version of this as part
(26:49):
of this report that they did. Now, when you think
about the stakes that are involved with post Palisades investigations,
they're very, very high and so objective. We might be
able to think, yeah, of course you're gonna look over this,
you're gonna suggest some edits. But what the Only Times
found was a lot of the language was very very
(27:09):
softened from a more maybe confessional version that identified a
lot of the flaws in the execution of the city's
preparedness and fighting for and against the Palisades fire. So
LA FD officials remove language that said the decision not
to fully staff and pre deploy all available crews and
engines ahead of that historically strong wind forecast the day
(27:33):
of the fire. Quote did not align with the department's
procedures during red flag days, and they changed that language,
for example, to saying that the number of engine companies
put in place when above and beyond the standard fire
deployment Fire Department pre deployment matrix. That's just one example
that really stuck out to me as the most jarring
(27:54):
because again it started very confessional. We didn't do what
we as a department say we will do when the
forecast suggests this type of wind.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
And change it to good.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
We did above and beyond, above and beyond, So that
does suggest somebody felt like they needed to protect themselves
from that type of confection. Now now they also changed
like a section that had originally been called failures to
primary challenges. That's not as big a deal, right, That's
(28:29):
just a pr that's public relations. It doesn't necessarily change
the context of what you're explaining. You're just changing the
headline to be a little bit softer. So that's not
as big a deal in my view, compared to basically
saying we violated our own policy and changing that around
saying we went well above and beyond our own policy.
(28:50):
So it's a pretty significant report the only times put out.
So who's responsible for the changes? I mean, if Kenneth
Cook is the original author, who are they looking at
that may have had their fingers in the cookie chair.
The edits did not have anybody's names on them. It
looks like or they were redacted, so we don't know
exactly who did this, but or who issued the directives that, hey,
(29:14):
we maybe shouldn't put this type of wording out in public.
It's too confessional, So we don't know exactly. This was
a report that was commissioned by the fire department to
put out on its own, evaluating its own behavior and
response to the Palisades part Now. City council Woman Monica
Rodriguez put out a statement shortly after the release of
(29:35):
this story on Saturday, and she said today's reporting makes
clear that accountability is optional when after action reports are
conducted in house with oversight by political appointees, which would
seem to be a reference to a police chief. This
was done during the interim police chief era. She goes
on to say, after action reports are meant to provide
(29:55):
a comprehensive and transparent assessment of key leadership decisions to
and sure proper accountability. She says, if these reports are
purposefully watered down to cover up failures, it leaves Angelino's
firefighters and city officials without a full understanding of what
happened and what needs to change.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
You said, interim police chief, you meant fire chief. I'm
sorry I did. Thank you for correcting that. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
This is such a We've said this many times when
it comes to politicians, whether it's federal level, local level,
the cover up is so much worse.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
There's always so much worse.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
So whoever is responsible for this, the covering up of
what was a very it sounds like a very honest
and upfront, like you use the word confessional report waters
everything down, It spreads it all out, so you can't
even see where it. In a time where people are
very distrustful already about this city's response to it, for
it to have this opportunity to explain itself, the department,
(30:52):
and to find out that these serious changes were made,
it only raises that that level of distrust.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Thank you, Michael, it's my pleasure. See that's heartfelt. Yeah,
what what time is play practice?
Speaker 1 (31:09):
So, uh, I don't know. I've never been. I think
it's more of a raw experience here. We just get
in and we.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Just do it live a cold breathe on the air. Yeah, okay,
may I have a script? I do like to internalize
my it's not done yet. Okay, what time is the play?
What time are we broadcasting the Christmas pl It'll be Wednesday.
I think we'll start eleven. We have a quick prep
segment where we kind of introduce everybody what's going on,
(31:39):
and then we do it's four chapters, four staves, and
then a cast party.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
At the end. Oh I love that.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Yeah, I'm actually off on Wednesday. I'm coming in just
for the show. Am I getting Scale? Union Scale or
a Dialca?
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Cookies?
Speaker 3 (31:54):
We'll deal with your your yeah, okay, we'll take a
look at your car.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Can I bring in some kombucha? Okay? Well that'll make yeah,
I love that. Yeah, it's good. And diapers, oh dear.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
I'll bring in some champagne and bubbly Kim kombucha.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Delicious, some ciders probably of some kind. I'll bring Divinity.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
What's that? That's the candy I make?
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (32:19):
Oh yeah, Gary, I better have a bigger part than
Michael Monks.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
That's not happening. You didn't audition, You weren't here on
the auditions.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
You missed the audition gone for four and a half months.
What I didn't even know if you were going to
be back in time.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
You could have sent me a text. What is You
would not have responded to a text for me?
Speaker 3 (32:36):
And you're a different You were to lost the international
date line.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
You know, I'm not like most people. I don't really
have any boundaries.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Well, let me say this. I did leave messages for
your agent and she never got back to me.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
It's funny the two women in our program, Heather and Deborah,
both demanded that they have bigger roles than Michael Monks, and.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Yet neither of them prepared a monologue. And I did.
I auditioned last week on the DAYTA he did a
whole Shakespeare Macbeth thing. It was involved.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
We'll talk trending when we come back to Gary and Shannon.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
You've been listening to The Gary and Shannon Show.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
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