July 23, 2025 • 30 mins
#SWAMPWATCH – The House is at a standstill as Speaker Johnson’s handpicked committee rebels over Epstein. What are the odds of having a boy or girl? It's not random; a study shows. Coming up in the last two segments is #PARENTING with Justin Worsham!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon, and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app. Your baby sex may not just
be up to chance the way we always thought it was.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I thought it was the finish move. Never mind, go on.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I don't know why I paused that long to let
that comment have as much air as I allowed it
to have.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
It should have been killed on contact.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
A study published on Friday in the journal Science Advances.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Describes the odds of having a.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Boy or a girl as akin to flipping a weighted coin.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Weighted coin, okay, because.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
The infant's birth sex is associated with two things, and
we'll talk about it coming up next.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
But it's not just it's a weighted coin.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
All right.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Can we do your jeopardy question now?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Just because I am going to lose it if we
don't get it out of the way.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Okay, Ye?
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Tiny creatures for one thousand dollars creatures. In nineteen thirty,
biologist Israel Aroni went to Syria to find these small
nocturnal rodents we better know as domesticated animals. Nineteen thirty Syria.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Syria, nineteen thirty.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Oh maybe what are guinea pigs?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
How soon we forget hargsters, deer departed hamitar i, hamsters.
I didn't know hamsters were just around nineteen thirty. They
came over and hung out nineteen thirty.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I didn't know they were in Syria.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Syrian.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Okay, makes sense. It's time for swapwatch, though.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Which means I'm a cheat and a liar, and when
I'm not kissing babies, I'm stealing that lollipop we got.
Speaker 6 (01:54):
The real problem is that our leaders are dune.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
The other side never quits.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
I'm not going anywhere. So how you.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Train the swat, I can imagine what can be and
be unburdened by.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
What has been.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
You know, Americans have always been going.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
They're not stupid.
Speaker 7 (02:12):
A political flunder is when a politician actually tells the truth.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
Have the people voted for you?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
With not sap watch?
Speaker 1 (02:18):
They're all count of while officials and allies close to
the White House are detailing the mood, and it is
not good. The quote is Potus is clearly furious.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
He is angry.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Trump's team is exasperated, and the House is what they're
calling in near rebellion. They thought that they would spend
the summer taking a well earned victory lap.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
They got the big beautiful bill through. They've bullied several.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Foreign governments into a slew of new trade agreements that
no one's talking about that have benefited our country. They've
convinced NATO to spend more than they have been spending
on a collective defense when it comes to Ukraine. But
all of that is being overshadowed by this Epstein mess.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
I thought about this, I heard somebody commenting on it,
and it makes perfect sense. This is really the first
time in what is this ten years now that Donald
Trump has been on the political scene. It's the first
time that he's been unable to control, shift, bend, control something.
(03:34):
What's been going on now. That being said, obviously, there
have been media outlets that have gone after him to
successfully for many years. I mean, they use him to
get ratings, They've gone after him all of that. But
this is the first time he's seen this, you know,
building up this public sentiment about the Epstein file specifically,
(03:59):
and he hasn't been able to change turn the page.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
The thing is, it's reached a fever pitch. Long before
we were talking about this last week, this had been
percolating in the base. This had been percolating for quite
some time. I want to say four or five weeks ago.
I caught wind of it from somebody that is in
the bass, in the Maga bass and was like, we're
(04:24):
still pissed off about the Jeffrey Epstein the when is
this going to come out? I'm like, what are you
talking about? When is it going to come out? Well,
all the lies, all the things that Clinton's and Obamas
were doing, they've got they've got to tell us what's
in there? And I'm like what. And that was a
month and a half ago. So this is this is
now just entering mainstream. But this has been percolating for
(04:44):
a long time, ever since well before ten years ago.
But ever since Pam Bondi took the AG role in
February and teased the fact that she had the files
and would be releasing them, it's gotten even more overblown.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
And that's an important difference between this administration and the
previous administration.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Why didn't the Biden administration release these files they had him?
Speaker 7 (05:07):
I don't remember there being.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
A big squawk about Old Joe not releasing the file.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
And that's a good point.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
I mean, in that the Justice Department, regardless of who's
been president, has had access to these files since Jeffrey
Epstein was brought up on the federal charges. But Joe
Biden never can't now listen. I think he should have.
I think he should have released them because of the
public interest, especially after the guy suicides himself. But Joe
Biden never promised that he was going to do it,
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never made a big deal out of doing it, and
never held a dumb, unscripted and awful pr move. But
that's of releasing the binders to people.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
But that's because he's part of the Washington elite that's
been hiding this stuff for decades. And Trump and all
of Steve Bannon, all those guys said, we're he's not
going to hide that stuff anymore. Right, you put us
back in power, and we will expose all of it.
Of Course, you weren't going to have the Bidens exposed.
The Obamas and the Clintons. That was never going to
(06:10):
be a thing. Of course he didn't run on it
in their minds. That's the thinking.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah, And it's.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
It is an odd thing to see the president now
going after his own base and suggesting that they are
the ones who are in the wrong for wanting the information.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
He's trying to convince everyone there's no there there.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
A person close to the White House says Potus is
clearly furious. It's the first time I've seen them sort
of paralyzed. Talking about the mood in the West Wing.
He feels there are way bigger stories that deserve attention
than not these conspiracy theories, to which I say, then
you've got to be careful what you wish for. I
(06:52):
mean they were peddled, these theories were pedled for years,
and now the chickens have come home to roost?
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Is right saying?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Is that a correct saying? What's happening with the chickens roosting?
What does roosting mean? Not roasting? Because then the chickens
want have come home because they don't want to be roasted? Right?
What is roosting? Does that mean like caka, I don't know.
That just means that's where they live. They're roost that's
what they do. Is they roost in your house at home?
When I'm sitting watching Sullivan's crossing, I'm roosting when you're
(07:22):
straining the couch.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Yes, roosting, it's a day bed that I watch that
show on.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Well, you can't even do it day you have to No.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
I have to hide in the back bedroom.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Uh.
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Speaker 2 (07:45):
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Speaker 4 (07:48):
The odds of having the boy or girl not fifty
to fifty like you would think. Necessarily, we'll talk about
statistics and dam lies when we come back.
Speaker 6 (07:58):
You're listening to Arian Shannon on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
That re entry burn has started for that first stage
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Speaker 1 (08:21):
A study published in Have you read your journal Science Advances.
I know you're just coming back from vacation, so you
probably have a big stack of journals to get through it.
I ought to go through being a doctor as you are.
It found the evidence that an infant's birth sex is
associated with maternal age and specific genes. This finding challenges
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assumptions that birth sex is random. This is a study
that mirrors results of similar ones in Europe that have
also found that birth sex does not follow a simple
fifty to fifty distribution. Now, scientists have long said and
documented a gloe global imbalance in which slightly more boys
are born than girls, and now this study examines the
(09:07):
more murkier patterns of birth sex within individual families. So
what they did is they analyzed data from about one
hundred and fifty thousand pregnancies between nineteen fifty six and
twenty fifteen. It found they found that some families were
more likely to have children of the same sex than
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would be expected if each baby had an equal chance
of being a boy or a girl. Moms with three
or more kids were more likely to have all boys
or all girls than expected.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
That's weird.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
That is very weird. But I guess, and we know anecdotally,
we probably all know some families who have yeah kids
of all.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
One, three boys, three girls. My brother's got three boys.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
If you've had two girls or three girls and you're
trying for a boy, you should know your odds are
not fifty to fifty. You're more likely than not to
have another girl. I mean, how many families have we
known that? Like, I know my brother's wife at the time,
was she really wanted a little girl?
Speaker 4 (10:15):
There's interesting also an age aspect to this. They said
that women who start having children after the age of
twenty eight are slightly more likely to have only children
of one gender, only boys or only girls.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
They said it could reflect biological changes as women age. Well,
that's interesting you just said. And you were just telling
me off the air about what happens is a woman's
body ages.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I was man explaining women to you.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Right, Did you want to get into the differences in
vaginal acidity?
Speaker 4 (10:49):
I mean, that's an obvious I didn't feel I had to,
but just if you want to.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
I know I don't.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
I didn't think so.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Paternal factors could also play a role, because maternal and
paternal ages are often closely linked. Yeah, duh, right, But
the study did not include data on fathers because they
don't matter. Just kidding, it doesn't say that.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
That's not funny.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Researchers also identified two genes associated with giving birth to
only boys or only girls. And the professor said, we
don't know why these genes would be associated with sex
at birth, but they are, and that opens, of course,
a bunch of new questions. Another professor of genetics not
associated with the study said these should be looked at
(11:36):
pretty carefully. Said the genetic analysis is based on a
relatively small sample. It could be influenced by other factors
and that could make the results more speculative until they're
confirmed by further research. I think Adam Carolla has a
book called in fifty Years Will All Be Chicks? I
(11:58):
wonder if this has anything to do ahead of his time.
Obviously it wasn't scientific or genetic or anything like that,
just that masculinity is at the time he wrote it.
I think it's coming back. But masculinity was given was
kind of taking it in the shorts. It was not
(12:18):
as celebrated as it has been in the past. Well
when did he write that?
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Because we're in that right now, or masculinity is a
real problem. I have a story, but I shouldn't tell
it on the air.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
You should actually now that you I think I.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Can take away enough particulars. No, it's a little I can't.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Well, I'll just tell you this. I have a friend.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
It was fifteen years ago that he wrote that book.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Wow, just like Idiocracy, so prescient.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Yeah, I have a friend, a girl beautiful, who went
out on a date with a guy.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
They're hooking up or whatever.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
They're hooking up or whatever.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Taking that.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Anyway, I won't get into it.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
But he said to her subsequently, I didn't mean for
it to go that far.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
And I'm like, what, every guy shut, every guy means
for it to go that far.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
And he said the words, I mean, I was there
and I was consenting.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
But and I'm like, he said that to.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Her, Yes, And I was blown away by the new
generation in that one fell shoop of a story.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Hmmm, is that a thing that's happening?
Speaker 5 (13:41):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Maybe you know what, listen, maybe men are taking back
their their bodies and they want to Is that what
they're doing?
Speaker 3 (13:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (13:51):
Figures, you want to get a mean cat for your
station because you're too big, apps bigger than Bill Handle.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Actually, Okay, what happened?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
What did you do to him?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Let's think about what we could have possibly done.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
We may have cracked open the window in Mom's basement
and let in some pressure.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
I think that's his deal. I want to know where
we did him wrong. I think that there's a number
of labels you could put on us, but ales, isn't it.
Speaker 8 (14:20):
Dart with this figures you want to get a mean
cat for your station, you want to get a mean cats?
Speaker 2 (14:27):
He's into nice cats?
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Which of those are them? Because I've never met a
nice cat? Like that's part of the whole cat thing, right,
is that they're not nice?
Speaker 8 (14:38):
Yeah, because you're too big apps?
Speaker 2 (14:41):
WHOA?
Speaker 3 (14:42):
What did we do wrong? And collectively both of.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Us, I'm assuming it's something you did.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Does he not like happiness and joy and light?
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Well, he doesn't like mean cats. We know that, or
he thinks mean cats say something about us. I don't
know why had to drag handle into it.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
I know couldn't have happened to an icer guy.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI AM.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
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Speaker 5 (15:17):
That's not in the headline and that Justin.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Worsham joins us, Yeah, like adults can put the phone down.
He is host of the Dad podcast and joins us
to top parenting justin welcome.
Speaker 7 (15:29):
I know that Gary likes it when we talk about
the evils of phones and screens. And there's a lot
in this that I personally makes a lot of sense.
They talk about a few research that came from I
think twenty twenty two that said that forty eight percent
of children ages thirteen to seventeen said social media had
mostly negative impact on their life.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Some interesting self awareness, right, those kids.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
But like, how do you get this out of those
kids even in private? Like?
Speaker 7 (15:58):
Right, Like, I know that my kid at one point
deleted Instagram because he felt like it was a waste
of his time.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Again, it is a very mature move.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Yeah, but he's back on it. Yeah, it took a girl.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
But anybody who's deleted it and then stayed away from it.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah, that's a hard egg to order.
Speaker 7 (16:15):
Here's what I think about all of this stuff, because
I could, I mean, we could talk about a lot
of data and everything, and what the other interest in
comparison that they said was that there was a moment
in time where the argument in favor of it was
that interactivity was better than just watching television. Because I'm
gonna lump us all together. Sure, when we were kids
cable TV was the thing that was rotting our brains
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and ruining everything. My personal theory, which will probably not
be popular, is that I think there's always going to
be some kind of new thing that society is taking on,
and that it is a natural reaction for people who
that thing is new to to think that it's ruining
society as they know it, just because it's changing society
the way they know it. Kids today they don't run
around on bikes and they don't play together, but they
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get online and they on headsets and that's how they
hang out and interact. I've my sons have literally done
homework with their friends, either on FaceTime like their friends
are in the corner, or they're wearing a gaming headset
and they're just in a chat party.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
None of them are playing games.
Speaker 7 (17:13):
They're all doing homework and that's how they hang out
and do homework instead of being at my dining room
table like I would wish they were, but that's just
how they do it.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Now.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
You need to beat those children, right.
Speaker 7 (17:23):
That's what's hard is that there is a part of
me that is worried that I'm failing them because I've
never set that boundary I've only set the boundary that
if you don't get good enough grades, you don't get
to do the fun stuff. That's the closest I've come
to setting like any kind of a time limit, because
my personal theory at this point it could be wrong,
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is that they also need to learn some level of
self control and self awareness. They need to be able
to see if this is getting in the way of
their life. And I try to hold up little signs saying, hey,
do you notice that when is.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Too young or when.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Is the age where you expect self control to be
something that is learned?
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Fifty eight is what I believe exactly.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Exactly my point.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
It's a very tall order for a teenage boy.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
But arguably, who honestly, who do we know in.
Speaker 7 (18:13):
Our life that has a high level of self control?
And then compare that to how many of those people
that you know. It's not like when you hit thirty
suddenly you become a bit you become able. Like my
thing is, I'm pretty disciplined financially, but when it comes
to like eating like an a.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Hole, I'm I'm horrible at it. Like that's that is
my person?
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Can that Gary has a lot of self control?
Speaker 1 (18:33):
But you should have seen what he did to that brownie.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
Each other always feels.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
That's his only lapse in self control.
Speaker 7 (18:46):
Like brothers, he's trying to control.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
I don't know. Why do you want me to take
a brownie? U brownie? And that that's enough for ridicule.
I'm glad I'm not. I don't work with Shannon, because
maybe that's what I should do.
Speaker 7 (19:06):
I should just you should bring me in Gary on
a work release program. I just come in here for
a week and just sit and eat.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
I don't have to say anything. I'll try not to laugh.
Speaker 7 (19:14):
I'll sit over there in that new cocktail table that
I just noticed you guys have in the corner for
no reason.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Oh yeah, for some reason.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
We know the high tops.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Yeah, come in. They're like, what's with the high top?
Speaker 5 (19:25):
I'm like, I have no idea.
Speaker 7 (19:27):
There was a Christmas tree there, and now it just
felt like an empty space, so we put a tables there.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
It's the most ridiculous.
Speaker 7 (19:33):
I will I will sit there and I will eat
all my meals and I will try to bring the
snacks with me that I would enjoy during a day.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
If it raises your bar, raise my bar. No, she'll
just look at you and shame you. We do that
to you. Oh yeah, that's my.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
Wife would say, love me less.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Yeah, I appreciate that.
Speaker 7 (19:55):
So before we have to go, because I am curious
to get your phone.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
So it's my actual brother anymore, because my brother is
you could lose a couple of pounds.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
Oh boy, you just did it. I think you've no
way to do it for my hundreds of miles away.
That's impressive. And you weren't even trying, like you organically felt.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
It to that digital shape.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
I was the one who told you you just did it.
You didn't even know.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Oops.
Speaker 7 (20:18):
But what do you think of my theory of this
screen time thing like just being kind of like rock
and roll music, cable TV, gangster rap, like.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
It really is the thing that just is the new thing.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
When you say that there is, there is an aspect
of it that I struggle with. I've been a huge proponent.
We've talked about it before you got to set. You
have to be an example to your kids for the
way you want to pay. And if if we are
not willing to do that, if we're not willing to
set the boundaries, or if we're not capable of seeing
that it is a problem that they're never going to
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So it's kind of like the technology is what's the term.
The technology is downstream from culture, cure downstream for technout,
whichever one works. It's just a matter of yeah, and
trust me, I'm the guy with the nineteen point phone contract.
There's just some things that are changing about the way
that people interact. It's not for the good. It's not
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for good. I do think there are negatives, but it's
also one of those things like we're going to have
to adapt to it.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
I'm so old that I still think of a phone
as like a toy, like a video game, and so
when I see children on it, it disturbs me less
than when I see grown adults on it, like I
would a video game. Interesting I see kids playing video games,
I'm like, oh, that's just what kids do. I see
kids on phone, so that's just what kids do. I
see adults addicted to their phones, and it's troubling to me,
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just like if I saw an adult on a video
game console for eighteen hours a day, it'd be troubling.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (21:44):
But again, my wife always jokes that I'm an idealist
or an optimist that I think that the benefits of
this technology far outweigh the negatives. I know that's a
really loaded statement to say when you hear about the
kids becoming more suicidal and all that, but I personally
think that as less to do with the phones, and
I think it has more to do with what you're saying, Garry,
the example parents set with their use of the phones
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and the technology, but also parents using technology a very
young age to pacify kids so they don't know how
to deal with being bored or having any kind of
negative experience.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
It used to be television the bigger issue.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
Yeah, parents, you.
Speaker 7 (22:16):
Could put the TV with you to the Mexican foods,
right right, right.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Right, yeah, And that's a generational thing where I draw
a hard line. And when I see kids on the
screens at the restaurants, it drives me.
Speaker 7 (22:26):
That's where I go full blown, like eighty two dad,
Like you know you're not doing that. Sit there and
be quiet, sit still.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
And that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Boredom is so good for us. We need boredom, and
there's no boredom anymore.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Hendy sees it that way anymore.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
I know you're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand
from kfi Am six forty Sonny.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Might share when she was working at a Seize candy.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
Really, how do you know this much about share? She
making all this up?
Speaker 3 (22:53):
I have no idea.
Speaker 7 (22:53):
This is like you did a book report on share
in seventh grade and you're finally getting to use it and.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Things about share. You know she's a rate champion of elephants.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
No, I didn't know.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
That's why I learned that when Billy and Tina were
shipped off to.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Slash as well. Slash from Guns n' Roses also loves
the elephant.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Yes, sir. Anyway, you know what, I.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Apologize share it up old fashioned parenting beliefs.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
You just want me to stop talking.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Boomers can't seem to let go of.
Speaker 7 (23:23):
I just think this is fun for the people in
this room because some of these I think we're all
going to be in favor of. And maybe there's someone
like well, no, duh. Children should be seen and not heard.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
I got that all the time, and I get why
you get why.
Speaker 5 (23:37):
So here's my theory.
Speaker 7 (23:38):
I before reading this, I would wholeheartedly agree with the sentiment, right,
But the reality of it is is that I have
seen in my kids class and I've talked about it
before on this segment that the emotional intelligence that kids
have today I think far surpasses what we had. I
don't know if it's better or worse as far as
what it does for them, but I could tell you
(23:58):
that at least if you're not the most popular kid
in the world, chances are you're not getting like gone
after as hard as as you would have been when
you were in.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Class with us.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Does that make sense, I think, well, bullying is kind
of what you're saying.
Speaker 7 (24:11):
People wouldn't. It just feels different. It feels like it
doesn't happen as much. But maybe it's because I never
got cyber bullied, like it wasn't a thing.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
I mean, were you allowed to talk at the dinner table?
Speaker 5 (24:20):
Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Uh, yeah, I was there. I still get uncomfortable when
there are kids involved in a conversation.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
That I was probably saying anything that's bad.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
It's like you're not.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Interested the balls on that kid to think that they can.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Contribute to the conversation.
Speaker 7 (24:39):
I'm going to backtrack because I think I am that
kid and that's why I feel that way. And you
both shut up.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
Number two.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
I don't know where you are.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
I think you're going to come in here and talk
to us, spare the rod, spoil the child.
Speaker 7 (24:53):
Now, there's tons of data that says this is not
the way to go. But I think what we all
agree is that the discipline at least of the book.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
If your kids should get hit.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
Yeah, probably right, Like you know, I don't know.
Speaker 7 (25:05):
I can't wait on that, to be honest, but I
was hit, so maybe I'm also maybe what if I'm the.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Kid maybe hit more?
Speaker 5 (25:10):
Maybe more?
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Something is something is fish brain and you can't figure
out what it is.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Kids shouldn't question authority. I wholeheartedly agree with this. There's
a difference.
Speaker 7 (25:19):
Between questioning authority and like, I don't know why, but
I'm like, I'm less interested in dealing with my kids
questioning my authority, but I'm okay with them questioning the
authority of like a teacher at a certain age.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
But and that's delicate, though, Yeah, that's really delicate. Tough on.
Speaker 7 (25:37):
I feel comfortable being the guy because I've only sent
two emails during the entire time that my kids have
been in school saying they were out of line, And
it had more to do with the more to do
with the fact that I would be more worried about
them getting in trouble with another parent.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Yeah, I would say you can question authority, but you
better be able to back it up.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
Yes, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
I mean that was I had the same thing about
a protest, and it's kind of the same issue. You
can protest for whatever cause you have, you better be
able to hold up your argument, right.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
You can't just do it because it's cool.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
My problem with not questioning authority is there's a lot
of bad people in positions of authority I e. Priests,
i e. Bad teachers, i E. Bad scout leader, whatever.
There's gonna be bad apples out there that are in
the vicinity of your children. So it's a delicate thing
of do what you're told from an authority figure. But
there are things if your gut tells you to question it,
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believe in your gut.
Speaker 7 (26:35):
As my kids have gotten into teenagers, I spend more
time explaining why I'm doing the thing I'm doing, But
they also have a lot more freedom, like I tell
them a lot like listen, it is your choice. This
is what me as your father, and then the adult
I am saying, but make a choice, and let's hope
for your sake, it's the right one, but you're gonna
have to deal with the consequence of that choice.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
No kid is special or different.
Speaker 7 (26:53):
Wholeheartedly agree with this, Like I don't understand, like what,
and maybe it's because I'm biased, because in the research
I've done for my podcast and just for fun because
I'm dumb. Is that in the seventies was the beginning
of the self esteem parenting movement, and that seems to
be beginning the trajectory of people becoming hyper sensitive and
also more depressed because they have a higher expectation of
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life and the world around them.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
I'm glad my parents never fell for that stuff.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
My parents did. My brother and I have so much
unearned confidence, so much.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
Funny academic success is everything.
Speaker 7 (27:30):
This I weirdly enough kind of agree with, and it
was a thing that I think was kind of important
for my dad, Like I don't necessarily see what I
see in my kids' success academically has more to do
with their work ethic because that's their job right now,
that's my focus.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (27:46):
I would agree?
Speaker 4 (27:47):
And I am impressed by people who can say, well, wholeheartedly,
I don't care what you do as long as you
love it. And you're the best at it, or at
least you try to be the best. I heard an
interview with Anthony Mackie, the actor who grew up in
New Orleans with like five brothers and sisters. They all
(28:07):
do different all kinds of different jobs. His parents were laborers,
his dad was a roofer in New Orleans and no,
you know, no art in terms of they weren't actors
or musicians or anything like that. And his dad was
imminently proud of him because he did what he wanted
to do. He got into Juilliard, and he did these
(28:29):
things that made him put him on the path to
be the best that he could be as an actor
of all things from a guy who was a roofer,
you know.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
And I think that's a that's a but I am.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Such a small percentage of people that make it him
things like arts.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
I know.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
No, no, I'm not saying it.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
I'm just saying that you don't get to impose that
on your kid, like, yeah, you're the academics is the
only thing that's going to make you successful.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
True, But that's where like trades come in and stuff
like that.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
That makes sense.
Speaker 7 (28:58):
I think what Gary is kind of hinting at is that.
Like when I told my dad I wanted to be
a performer, he said, your first thing is going to
have to be to learn how to manage your finances
because you're never going to know when your next paycheck
is coming.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
That's a great pobby. Yeah, And what are you going
to do to make a living?
Speaker 7 (29:11):
What are you going to do to do that? How
are you going to make ends meet? It's your choice.
You get to make those sacrifices because as.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Much as we want to be the best at whatever
we choose to do.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
We're not going to be.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
Yeah, maybe not.
Speaker 7 (29:21):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
And finally, kids don't are boys don't cry?
Speaker 5 (29:24):
I think we all could agree total garbage. Boys should cry.
They should cry at any opportunity they can get. I
should cry. I think.
Speaker 7 (29:32):
I think the sign of the new toxic masculine man
is one who cries a lot and expresses him sometimes
with his friends.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
On the radio. In an afternoon on a mid week.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Day, Conway and Mark Thompson were talking about this.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
They cried together. I hope.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Thompson said he's often close to tears. Several times a day.
He'll hear a story from somebody, or I'll think about
something and.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
Bere and Conway embraced him and said, I I'm.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Con said he wished he was more like that, and
he's not.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
Yeah, see how their friendship works.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Gary, do you wish you were more like just?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
It's great to see you again.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
Always.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
I gave him, I gave him a hand out there.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
You and I both know what you did. We all
know what you did.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
I'm the bad guy.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
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on the iHeartRadio app. Your baby sex may not just
be up to chance the way we always thought it was.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I thought it was the finish move. Never mind, go on.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I don't know why I paused that long to let
that comment have as much air as I allowed it
to have.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
It should have been killed on contact.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
A study published on Friday in the journal Science Advances.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Describes the odds of having a.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Boy or a girl as akin to flipping a weighted coin.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Weighted coin, okay, because.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
The infant's birth sex is associated with two things, and
we'll talk about it coming up next.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
But it's not just it's a weighted coin.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
All right.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Can we do your jeopardy question now?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Just because I am going to lose it if we
don't get it out of the way.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Okay, Ye?
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Tiny creatures for one thousand dollars creatures. In nineteen thirty,
biologist Israel Aroni went to Syria to find these small
nocturnal rodents we better know as domesticated animals. Nineteen thirty Syria.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Syria, nineteen thirty.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Oh maybe what are guinea pigs?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
How soon we forget hargsters, deer departed hamitar i, hamsters.
I didn't know hamsters were just around nineteen thirty. They
came over and hung out nineteen thirty.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I didn't know they were in Syria.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Syrian.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Okay, makes sense. It's time for swapwatch, though.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Which means I'm a cheat and a liar, and when
I'm not kissing babies, I'm stealing that lollipop we got.
Speaker 6 (01:54):
The real problem is that our leaders are dune.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
The other side never quits.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
I'm not going anywhere. So how you.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Train the swat, I can imagine what can be and
be unburdened by.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
What has been.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
You know, Americans have always been going.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
They're not stupid.
Speaker 7 (02:12):
A political flunder is when a politician actually tells the truth.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
Have the people voted for you?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
With not sap watch?
Speaker 1 (02:18):
They're all count of while officials and allies close to
the White House are detailing the mood, and it is
not good. The quote is Potus is clearly furious.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
He is angry.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Trump's team is exasperated, and the House is what they're
calling in near rebellion. They thought that they would spend
the summer taking a well earned victory lap.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
They got the big beautiful bill through. They've bullied several.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Foreign governments into a slew of new trade agreements that
no one's talking about that have benefited our country. They've
convinced NATO to spend more than they have been spending
on a collective defense when it comes to Ukraine. But
all of that is being overshadowed by this Epstein mess.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
I thought about this, I heard somebody commenting on it,
and it makes perfect sense. This is really the first
time in what is this ten years now that Donald
Trump has been on the political scene. It's the first
time that he's been unable to control, shift, bend, control something.
(03:34):
What's been going on now. That being said, obviously, there
have been media outlets that have gone after him to
successfully for many years. I mean, they use him to
get ratings, They've gone after him all of that. But
this is the first time he's seen this, you know,
building up this public sentiment about the Epstein file specifically,
(03:59):
and he hasn't been able to change turn the page.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
The thing is, it's reached a fever pitch. Long before
we were talking about this last week, this had been
percolating in the base. This had been percolating for quite
some time. I want to say four or five weeks ago.
I caught wind of it from somebody that is in
the bass, in the Maga bass and was like, we're
(04:24):
still pissed off about the Jeffrey Epstein the when is
this going to come out? I'm like, what are you
talking about? When is it going to come out? Well,
all the lies, all the things that Clinton's and Obamas
were doing, they've got they've got to tell us what's
in there? And I'm like what. And that was a
month and a half ago. So this is this is
now just entering mainstream. But this has been percolating for
(04:44):
a long time, ever since well before ten years ago.
But ever since Pam Bondi took the AG role in
February and teased the fact that she had the files
and would be releasing them, it's gotten even more overblown.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
And that's an important difference between this administration and the
previous administration.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Why didn't the Biden administration release these files they had him?
Speaker 7 (05:07):
I don't remember there being.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
A big squawk about Old Joe not releasing the file.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
And that's a good point.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
I mean, in that the Justice Department, regardless of who's
been president, has had access to these files since Jeffrey
Epstein was brought up on the federal charges. But Joe
Biden never can't now listen. I think he should have.
I think he should have released them because of the
public interest, especially after the guy suicides himself. But Joe
Biden never promised that he was going to do it,
(05:35):
never made a big deal out of doing it, and
never held a dumb, unscripted and awful pr move. But
that's of releasing the binders to people.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
But that's because he's part of the Washington elite that's
been hiding this stuff for decades. And Trump and all
of Steve Bannon, all those guys said, we're he's not
going to hide that stuff anymore. Right, you put us
back in power, and we will expose all of it.
Of Course, you weren't going to have the Bidens exposed.
The Obamas and the Clintons. That was never going to
(06:10):
be a thing. Of course he didn't run on it
in their minds. That's the thinking.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah, And it's.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
It is an odd thing to see the president now
going after his own base and suggesting that they are
the ones who are in the wrong for wanting the information.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
He's trying to convince everyone there's no there there.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
A person close to the White House says Potus is
clearly furious. It's the first time I've seen them sort
of paralyzed. Talking about the mood in the West Wing.
He feels there are way bigger stories that deserve attention
than not these conspiracy theories, to which I say, then
you've got to be careful what you wish for. I
(06:52):
mean they were peddled, these theories were pedled for years,
and now the chickens have come home to roost?
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Is right saying?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Is that a correct saying? What's happening with the chickens roosting?
What does roosting mean? Not roasting? Because then the chickens
want have come home because they don't want to be roasted? Right?
What is roosting? Does that mean like caka, I don't know.
That just means that's where they live. They're roost that's
what they do. Is they roost in your house at home?
When I'm sitting watching Sullivan's crossing, I'm roosting when you're
(07:22):
straining the couch.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Yes, roosting, it's a day bed that I watch that
show on.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Well, you can't even do it day you have to No.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
I have to hide in the back bedroom.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Uh.
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Speaker 4 (07:48):
The odds of having the boy or girl not fifty
to fifty like you would think. Necessarily, we'll talk about
statistics and dam lies when we come back.
Speaker 6 (07:58):
You're listening to Arian Shannon on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
That re entry burn has started for that first stage
of the SpaceX rocket that went up, so you may
hear a sonic boom or booms sometime in the next
couple of minutes as that thing makes its way back
down to a landing spot there at Vandenberg.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
A study published in Have you read your journal Science Advances.
I know you're just coming back from vacation, so you
probably have a big stack of journals to get through it.
I ought to go through being a doctor as you are.
It found the evidence that an infant's birth sex is
associated with maternal age and specific genes. This finding challenges
(08:44):
assumptions that birth sex is random. This is a study
that mirrors results of similar ones in Europe that have
also found that birth sex does not follow a simple
fifty to fifty distribution. Now, scientists have long said and
documented a gloe global imbalance in which slightly more boys
are born than girls, and now this study examines the
(09:07):
more murkier patterns of birth sex within individual families. So
what they did is they analyzed data from about one
hundred and fifty thousand pregnancies between nineteen fifty six and
twenty fifteen. It found they found that some families were
more likely to have children of the same sex than
(09:29):
would be expected if each baby had an equal chance
of being a boy or a girl. Moms with three
or more kids were more likely to have all boys
or all girls than expected.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
That's weird.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
That is very weird. But I guess, and we know anecdotally,
we probably all know some families who have yeah kids
of all.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
One, three boys, three girls. My brother's got three boys.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
If you've had two girls or three girls and you're
trying for a boy, you should know your odds are
not fifty to fifty. You're more likely than not to
have another girl. I mean, how many families have we
known that? Like, I know my brother's wife at the time,
was she really wanted a little girl?
Speaker 4 (10:15):
There's interesting also an age aspect to this. They said
that women who start having children after the age of
twenty eight are slightly more likely to have only children
of one gender, only boys or only girls.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
They said it could reflect biological changes as women age. Well,
that's interesting you just said. And you were just telling
me off the air about what happens is a woman's
body ages.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I was man explaining women to you.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Right, Did you want to get into the differences in
vaginal acidity?
Speaker 4 (10:49):
I mean, that's an obvious I didn't feel I had to,
but just if you want to.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
I know I don't.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
I didn't think so.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Paternal factors could also play a role, because maternal and
paternal ages are often closely linked. Yeah, duh, right, But
the study did not include data on fathers because they
don't matter. Just kidding, it doesn't say that.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
That's not funny.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Researchers also identified two genes associated with giving birth to
only boys or only girls. And the professor said, we
don't know why these genes would be associated with sex
at birth, but they are, and that opens, of course,
a bunch of new questions. Another professor of genetics not
associated with the study said these should be looked at
(11:36):
pretty carefully. Said the genetic analysis is based on a
relatively small sample. It could be influenced by other factors
and that could make the results more speculative until they're
confirmed by further research. I think Adam Carolla has a
book called in fifty Years Will All Be Chicks? I
(11:58):
wonder if this has anything to do ahead of his time.
Obviously it wasn't scientific or genetic or anything like that,
just that masculinity is at the time he wrote it.
I think it's coming back. But masculinity was given was
kind of taking it in the shorts. It was not
(12:18):
as celebrated as it has been in the past. Well
when did he write that?
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Because we're in that right now, or masculinity is a
real problem. I have a story, but I shouldn't tell
it on the air.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
You should actually now that you I think I.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Can take away enough particulars. No, it's a little I can't.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Well, I'll just tell you this. I have a friend.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
It was fifteen years ago that he wrote that book.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Wow, just like Idiocracy, so prescient.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Yeah, I have a friend, a girl beautiful, who went
out on a date with a guy.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
They're hooking up or whatever.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
They're hooking up or whatever.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Taking that.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Anyway, I won't get into it.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
But he said to her subsequently, I didn't mean for
it to go that far.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
And I'm like, what, every guy shut, every guy means
for it to go that far.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
And he said the words, I mean, I was there
and I was consenting.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
But and I'm like, he said that to.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Her, Yes, And I was blown away by the new
generation in that one fell shoop of a story.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Hmmm, is that a thing that's happening?
Speaker 5 (13:41):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Maybe you know what, listen, maybe men are taking back
their their bodies and they want to Is that what
they're doing?
Speaker 3 (13:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (13:51):
Figures, you want to get a mean cat for your
station because you're too big, apps bigger than Bill Handle.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Actually, Okay, what happened?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
What did you do to him?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Let's think about what we could have possibly done.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
We may have cracked open the window in Mom's basement
and let in some pressure.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
I think that's his deal. I want to know where
we did him wrong. I think that there's a number
of labels you could put on us, but ales, isn't it.
Speaker 8 (14:20):
Dart with this figures you want to get a mean
cat for your station, you want to get a mean cats?
Speaker 2 (14:27):
He's into nice cats?
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Which of those are them? Because I've never met a
nice cat? Like that's part of the whole cat thing, right,
is that they're not nice?
Speaker 8 (14:38):
Yeah, because you're too big apps?
Speaker 2 (14:41):
WHOA?
Speaker 3 (14:42):
What did we do wrong? And collectively both of.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Us, I'm assuming it's something you did.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Does he not like happiness and joy and light?
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Well, he doesn't like mean cats. We know that, or
he thinks mean cats say something about us. I don't
know why had to drag handle into it.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
I know couldn't have happened to an icer guy.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI AM.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Six forty researchers are warning against techno fearance for parents
L O L.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
That's not in the headline and that Justin.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Worsham joins us, Yeah, like adults can put the phone down.
He is host of the Dad podcast and joins us
to top parenting justin welcome.
Speaker 7 (15:29):
I know that Gary likes it when we talk about
the evils of phones and screens. And there's a lot
in this that I personally makes a lot of sense.
They talk about a few research that came from I
think twenty twenty two that said that forty eight percent
of children ages thirteen to seventeen said social media had
mostly negative impact on their life.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Some interesting self awareness, right, those kids.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
But like, how do you get this out of those
kids even in private? Like?
Speaker 7 (15:58):
Right, Like, I know that my kid at one point
deleted Instagram because he felt like it was a waste
of his time.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Again, it is a very mature move.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Yeah, but he's back on it. Yeah, it took a girl.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
But anybody who's deleted it and then stayed away from it.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah, that's a hard egg to order.
Speaker 7 (16:15):
Here's what I think about all of this stuff, because
I could, I mean, we could talk about a lot
of data and everything, and what the other interest in
comparison that they said was that there was a moment
in time where the argument in favor of it was
that interactivity was better than just watching television. Because I'm
gonna lump us all together. Sure, when we were kids
cable TV was the thing that was rotting our brains
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and ruining everything. My personal theory, which will probably not
be popular, is that I think there's always going to
be some kind of new thing that society is taking on,
and that it is a natural reaction for people who
that thing is new to to think that it's ruining
society as they know it, just because it's changing society
the way they know it. Kids today they don't run
around on bikes and they don't play together, but they
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get online and they on headsets and that's how they
hang out and interact. I've my sons have literally done
homework with their friends, either on FaceTime like their friends
are in the corner, or they're wearing a gaming headset
and they're just in a chat party.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
None of them are playing games.
Speaker 7 (17:13):
They're all doing homework and that's how they hang out
and do homework instead of being at my dining room
table like I would wish they were, but that's just
how they do it.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Now.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
You need to beat those children, right.
Speaker 7 (17:23):
That's what's hard is that there is a part of
me that is worried that I'm failing them because I've
never set that boundary I've only set the boundary that
if you don't get good enough grades, you don't get
to do the fun stuff. That's the closest I've come
to setting like any kind of a time limit, because
my personal theory at this point it could be wrong,
(17:44):
is that they also need to learn some level of
self control and self awareness. They need to be able
to see if this is getting in the way of
their life. And I try to hold up little signs saying, hey,
do you notice that when is.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Too young or when.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Is the age where you expect self control to be
something that is learned?
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Fifty eight is what I believe exactly.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Exactly my point.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
It's a very tall order for a teenage boy.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
But arguably, who honestly, who do we know in.
Speaker 7 (18:13):
Our life that has a high level of self control?
And then compare that to how many of those people
that you know. It's not like when you hit thirty
suddenly you become a bit you become able. Like my
thing is, I'm pretty disciplined financially, but when it comes
to like eating like an a.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Hole, I'm I'm horrible at it. Like that's that is
my person?
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Can that Gary has a lot of self control?
Speaker 1 (18:33):
But you should have seen what he did to that brownie.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
Each other always feels.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
That's his only lapse in self control.
Speaker 7 (18:46):
Like brothers, he's trying to control.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
I don't know. Why do you want me to take
a brownie? U brownie? And that that's enough for ridicule.
I'm glad I'm not. I don't work with Shannon, because
maybe that's what I should do.
Speaker 7 (19:06):
I should just you should bring me in Gary on
a work release program. I just come in here for
a week and just sit and eat.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
I don't have to say anything. I'll try not to laugh.
Speaker 7 (19:14):
I'll sit over there in that new cocktail table that
I just noticed you guys have in the corner for
no reason.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Oh yeah, for some reason.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
We know the high tops.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Yeah, come in. They're like, what's with the high top?
Speaker 5 (19:25):
I'm like, I have no idea.
Speaker 7 (19:27):
There was a Christmas tree there, and now it just
felt like an empty space, so we put a tables there.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
It's the most ridiculous.
Speaker 7 (19:33):
I will I will sit there and I will eat
all my meals and I will try to bring the
snacks with me that I would enjoy during a day.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
If it raises your bar, raise my bar. No, she'll
just look at you and shame you. We do that
to you. Oh yeah, that's my.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
Wife would say, love me less.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Yeah, I appreciate that.
Speaker 7 (19:55):
So before we have to go, because I am curious
to get your phone.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
So it's my actual brother anymore, because my brother is
you could lose a couple of pounds.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
Oh boy, you just did it. I think you've no
way to do it for my hundreds of miles away.
That's impressive. And you weren't even trying, like you organically felt.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
It to that digital shape.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
I was the one who told you you just did it.
You didn't even know.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Oops.
Speaker 7 (20:18):
But what do you think of my theory of this
screen time thing like just being kind of like rock
and roll music, cable TV, gangster rap, like.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
It really is the thing that just is the new thing.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
When you say that there is, there is an aspect
of it that I struggle with. I've been a huge proponent.
We've talked about it before you got to set. You
have to be an example to your kids for the
way you want to pay. And if if we are
not willing to do that, if we're not willing to
set the boundaries, or if we're not capable of seeing
that it is a problem that they're never going to
(20:52):
So it's kind of like the technology is what's the term.
The technology is downstream from culture, cure downstream for technout,
whichever one works. It's just a matter of yeah, and
trust me, I'm the guy with the nineteen point phone contract.
There's just some things that are changing about the way
that people interact. It's not for the good. It's not
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for good. I do think there are negatives, but it's
also one of those things like we're going to have
to adapt to it.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
I'm so old that I still think of a phone
as like a toy, like a video game, and so
when I see children on it, it disturbs me less
than when I see grown adults on it, like I
would a video game. Interesting I see kids playing video games,
I'm like, oh, that's just what kids do. I see
kids on phone, so that's just what kids do. I
see adults addicted to their phones, and it's troubling to me,
(21:38):
just like if I saw an adult on a video
game console for eighteen hours a day, it'd be troubling.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (21:44):
But again, my wife always jokes that I'm an idealist
or an optimist that I think that the benefits of
this technology far outweigh the negatives. I know that's a
really loaded statement to say when you hear about the
kids becoming more suicidal and all that, but I personally
think that as less to do with the phones, and
I think it has more to do with what you're saying, Garry,
the example parents set with their use of the phones
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and the technology, but also parents using technology a very
young age to pacify kids so they don't know how
to deal with being bored or having any kind of
negative experience.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
It used to be television the bigger issue.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
Yeah, parents, you.
Speaker 7 (22:16):
Could put the TV with you to the Mexican foods,
right right, right.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Right, yeah, And that's a generational thing where I draw
a hard line. And when I see kids on the
screens at the restaurants, it drives me.
Speaker 7 (22:26):
That's where I go full blown, like eighty two dad,
Like you know you're not doing that. Sit there and
be quiet, sit still.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
And that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Boredom is so good for us. We need boredom, and
there's no boredom anymore.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Hendy sees it that way anymore.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
I know you're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand
from kfi Am six forty Sonny.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Might share when she was working at a Seize candy.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
Really, how do you know this much about share? She
making all this up?
Speaker 3 (22:53):
I have no idea.
Speaker 7 (22:53):
This is like you did a book report on share
in seventh grade and you're finally getting to use it and.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Things about share. You know she's a rate champion of elephants.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
No, I didn't know.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
That's why I learned that when Billy and Tina were
shipped off to.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Slash as well. Slash from Guns n' Roses also loves
the elephant.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Yes, sir. Anyway, you know what, I.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Apologize share it up old fashioned parenting beliefs.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
You just want me to stop talking.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Boomers can't seem to let go of.
Speaker 7 (23:23):
I just think this is fun for the people in
this room because some of these I think we're all
going to be in favor of. And maybe there's someone
like well, no, duh. Children should be seen and not heard.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
I got that all the time, and I get why
you get why.
Speaker 5 (23:37):
So here's my theory.
Speaker 7 (23:38):
I before reading this, I would wholeheartedly agree with the sentiment, right,
But the reality of it is is that I have
seen in my kids class and I've talked about it
before on this segment that the emotional intelligence that kids
have today I think far surpasses what we had. I
don't know if it's better or worse as far as
what it does for them, but I could tell you
(23:58):
that at least if you're not the most popular kid
in the world, chances are you're not getting like gone
after as hard as as you would have been when
you were in.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Class with us.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Does that make sense, I think, well, bullying is kind
of what you're saying.
Speaker 7 (24:11):
People wouldn't. It just feels different. It feels like it
doesn't happen as much. But maybe it's because I never
got cyber bullied, like it wasn't a thing.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
I mean, were you allowed to talk at the dinner table?
Speaker 5 (24:20):
Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Uh, yeah, I was there. I still get uncomfortable when
there are kids involved in a conversation.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
That I was probably saying anything that's bad.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
It's like you're not.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Interested the balls on that kid to think that they can.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Contribute to the conversation.
Speaker 7 (24:39):
I'm going to backtrack because I think I am that
kid and that's why I feel that way. And you
both shut up.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
Number two.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
I don't know where you are.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
I think you're going to come in here and talk
to us, spare the rod, spoil the child.
Speaker 7 (24:53):
Now, there's tons of data that says this is not
the way to go. But I think what we all
agree is that the discipline at least of the book.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
If your kids should get hit.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
Yeah, probably right, Like you know, I don't know.
Speaker 7 (25:05):
I can't wait on that, to be honest, but I
was hit, so maybe I'm also maybe what if I'm the.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Kid maybe hit more?
Speaker 5 (25:10):
Maybe more?
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Something is something is fish brain and you can't figure
out what it is.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Kids shouldn't question authority. I wholeheartedly agree with this. There's
a difference.
Speaker 7 (25:19):
Between questioning authority and like, I don't know why, but
I'm like, I'm less interested in dealing with my kids
questioning my authority, but I'm okay with them questioning the
authority of like a teacher at a certain age.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
But and that's delicate, though, Yeah, that's really delicate. Tough on.
Speaker 7 (25:37):
I feel comfortable being the guy because I've only sent
two emails during the entire time that my kids have
been in school saying they were out of line, And
it had more to do with the more to do
with the fact that I would be more worried about
them getting in trouble with another parent.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Yeah, I would say you can question authority, but you
better be able to back it up.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
Yes, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
I mean that was I had the same thing about
a protest, and it's kind of the same issue. You
can protest for whatever cause you have, you better be
able to hold up your argument, right.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
You can't just do it because it's cool.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
My problem with not questioning authority is there's a lot
of bad people in positions of authority I e. Priests,
i e. Bad teachers, i E. Bad scout leader, whatever.
There's gonna be bad apples out there that are in
the vicinity of your children. So it's a delicate thing
of do what you're told from an authority figure. But
there are things if your gut tells you to question it,
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believe in your gut.
Speaker 7 (26:35):
As my kids have gotten into teenagers, I spend more
time explaining why I'm doing the thing I'm doing, But
they also have a lot more freedom, like I tell
them a lot like listen, it is your choice. This
is what me as your father, and then the adult
I am saying, but make a choice, and let's hope
for your sake, it's the right one, but you're gonna
have to deal with the consequence of that choice.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
No kid is special or different.
Speaker 7 (26:53):
Wholeheartedly agree with this, Like I don't understand, like what,
and maybe it's because I'm biased, because in the research
I've done for my podcast and just for fun because
I'm dumb. Is that in the seventies was the beginning
of the self esteem parenting movement, and that seems to
be beginning the trajectory of people becoming hyper sensitive and
also more depressed because they have a higher expectation of
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life and the world around them.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
I'm glad my parents never fell for that stuff.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
My parents did. My brother and I have so much
unearned confidence, so much.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
Funny academic success is everything.
Speaker 7 (27:30):
This I weirdly enough kind of agree with, and it
was a thing that I think was kind of important
for my dad, Like I don't necessarily see what I
see in my kids' success academically has more to do
with their work ethic because that's their job right now,
that's my focus.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (27:46):
I would agree?
Speaker 4 (27:47):
And I am impressed by people who can say, well, wholeheartedly,
I don't care what you do as long as you
love it. And you're the best at it, or at
least you try to be the best. I heard an
interview with Anthony Mackie, the actor who grew up in
New Orleans with like five brothers and sisters. They all
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do different all kinds of different jobs. His parents were laborers,
his dad was a roofer in New Orleans and no,
you know, no art in terms of they weren't actors
or musicians or anything like that. And his dad was
imminently proud of him because he did what he wanted
to do. He got into Juilliard, and he did these
(28:29):
things that made him put him on the path to
be the best that he could be as an actor
of all things from a guy who was a roofer,
you know.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
And I think that's a that's a but I am.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Such a small percentage of people that make it him
things like arts.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
I know.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
No, no, I'm not saying it.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
I'm just saying that you don't get to impose that
on your kid, like, yeah, you're the academics is the
only thing that's going to make you successful.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
True, But that's where like trades come in and stuff
like that.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
That makes sense.
Speaker 7 (28:58):
I think what Gary is kind of hinting at is that.
Like when I told my dad I wanted to be
a performer, he said, your first thing is going to
have to be to learn how to manage your finances
because you're never going to know when your next paycheck
is coming.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
That's a great pobby. Yeah, And what are you going
to do to make a living?
Speaker 7 (29:11):
What are you going to do to do that? How
are you going to make ends meet? It's your choice.
You get to make those sacrifices because as.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Much as we want to be the best at whatever
we choose to do.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
We're not going to be.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
Yeah, maybe not.
Speaker 7 (29:21):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
And finally, kids don't are boys don't cry?
Speaker 5 (29:24):
I think we all could agree total garbage. Boys should cry.
They should cry at any opportunity they can get. I
should cry. I think.
Speaker 7 (29:32):
I think the sign of the new toxic masculine man
is one who cries a lot and expresses him sometimes
with his friends.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
On the radio. In an afternoon on a mid week.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Day, Conway and Mark Thompson were talking about this.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
They cried together. I hope.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Thompson said he's often close to tears. Several times a day.
He'll hear a story from somebody, or I'll think about
something and.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
Bere and Conway embraced him and said, I I'm.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Con said he wished he was more like that, and
he's not.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
Yeah, see how their friendship works.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Gary, do you wish you were more like just?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
It's great to see you again.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
Always.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
I gave him, I gave him a hand out there.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
You and I both know what you did. We all
know what you did.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
I'm the bad guy.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
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