December 29, 2025 • 34 mins
Gary and Shannon dive into a thought-provoking discussion about the darker side of reality TV. They revisit the infamous show "To Catch a Predator" and explore why it was so captivating, despite its disturbing content. They also discuss the documentary "Predators," which examines the show's impact and our collective fascination with public shaming. The conversation touches on the psychology behind our desire to watch others get humiliated and the blurred lines between entertainment and moral outrage. With a mix of humor and insight, Gary and Shannon tackle the complexities of human nature and the consequences of our voyeuristic tendencies.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Another death. Gosh, well, I don't know, I don't know
why I always do this, but I always do.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
This.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
One of the greatest songs ever, the guy wrote.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
Don Bryantis Malando died.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
At the age of eighty three. Don Bryant, bringing back
Sweet Memory, wrote that song I Can't Stand the Rain
back in nineteen seventy three for his singer songwriter rife
wife Anne Peebles. It was the year of your birth,
the year of my birth. John Lennon once said that
this was the greatest song ever recorded. Eight song.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I don't think I've heard this song in thirty years.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
It was redone on there was a movie The Replacements.
I think is that what it was called. It has
been redone. It's that multiple times. Yeah, they sample it
to I think Missy Elliott sampled it for a while, yeah,
or in one of her song So anyway, that's a
sad story. There is a college football game. There's an
NFL football game tonight. Of course, it's the Rams against
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the Falcons in Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
But there's some sort of weird math that has the
Falcons still potentially in the playoffs. They broke it down
at the halftime a last night's game and my head
hurt extensively after. But there's a three way situation there
in the South.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Where it would come down to records. Yeah, it's a
hole to do. The Birmingham Bowl is tonight the Georgia
Southern Eagles against the Appalachian State Mountaineers actually starts about
an hour from now, and then the Week eighteen schedule
has been announced for the final week of the NFL
regular season. The forty nine Ers are going to host
the Seahawks on Saturday night for the top seed in
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the NFC, and then the Steelers host the Ravens on
the other primetime game Sunday night. The winner there will
take the AFC North. And as you said, the loser
is out. Looks like there were alerts that came in
on Saturday for people up in the Santa Clarita Valley, Valverdi, Castaic, etc.
(02:14):
Lake Hughes area told to stay in their homes because
of this natural gas pipeline in Castaic that had ruptured
thirty four inch transmission line under about six hundred pounds
of pressure is what I saw. Exactly what broke this thing,
nobody knows, but a spokesperson for SoCal Gas says that
there was significant land movement spotted near the break. Now
(02:39):
is it the gas leak and explosion. I wouldn't call
an explosion, it didn't ignite, but the gas leak that
caused the landslide or was it the landslide that then
caused the rupture? And as of this point they do
not know the sound. Also, if you've seen some the videos,
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the sound of these very high pressure gas leaks like
this can be just as disorienting as the potential danger.
Fire and Hasmat Cruz had to work on Saturday to
try to seal the leak from transmission pipeline, as well
as the smell of the rotten eggs. The natural gas
itself doesn't smell, the smell that you associate with natural
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gas is added so you can tell when it is leaking.
Fire Department said that there were reports of an explosion
about four twenty on Saturday, right near Ridge Route Road
and Pinecrest Place, just south of the North Lake Hills
Elementary School, so it would have been on the east
side of I five, and there were orange plumes, they said,
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rising from the hillside that collapsed, but that was dust
for the most part. As of La County Fire Department
station just down the road, you could smell it, multiple
residents miles away, even in the north San Fernando Valley.
They said that they could smell all of this. No
immediate threat. They were able to close I five for
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several hours on Saturday night, but it was reopened and
again last night driving through, not a sign at all
that anything had gone gone on the night before.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
So we are going to get some weather here.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
We thought that we just had rain for Christmas Eve
and the like, and now we are going to.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Have New Year's weather.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
I was looking at the forecast in Denver because I'll
be there this weekend.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Fifty five degrees. You're going to go to Denver to
get a reprieve from the weather.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Yeah, Sonny, in fifty five degrees. No, I'm sorry, Sonny.
And sixty degrees it's even better. What Denver in January?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Maybe I'll fly to Denver just to get out of
the out of the rain. Let me play this. I
was gonna play something, but the thing I've had a
couple of years off.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
You're rusty.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Hey, guys, it's right from the South Bay. I didn't
get a chance to say that I loved the Christmas
Girl and Christmas Eve. You guys did an excellent job.
It was so funny. What made it even better was
autumn mistakes mistaken. You're the MVP. I have a great day, guys.
Speedy delivery, all right, thanks.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Ray was working Christmas Eve. Remember it was out there
delivering stuff. It was a great time.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Like it was.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
One of my girlfriends texted me like, oh, what are you.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Doing today or whatever. I was like, oh, I'm working.
Oh sorry, you have to work. I'm like, I'm not like.
I loved being here on Christmas Eve. And everybody was
here and people came in that weren't even working, and
we all got to do something live together. And you know,
we had Heather and Michael and Will and they did
their Christmas medally which was impromptu and fantastic. And then
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you know, Deborah and Amy hit it out of the park.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
With their acting.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
It was just and How's daughter was incredible, and my gosh,
she came in to be part of it. That's rare
that there's a child that wants to be with children
in here, or that they want to be in here.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
She was over the moon, you guys truly like could
not wait to get home and tell everybody.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
And so your guys's Christmas medalie like made my Christmas.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
It was so I must have watched it like A doesn't.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
It was so good.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
We were we were like.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
I feel like we should tell everybody we are not
professional singers in that way. We just literally threw something
together minutes before the air. But we had fun with it.
Poor Michael Monks, I thought he was going to pass
out when I told him. He was like, what we're singing?
And then you got Will and I who were.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Like, oh he doth protest to me?
Speaker 1 (06:46):
And then will is Elvis was just the surprise of
the season. Good.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Oh, it's so good that Amy Kills loved it. Will
I heard you mention that you're gonna have to travel.
That is it this week you're going to be flying
around or is it next week?
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Well?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Both both?
Speaker 6 (07:02):
Actually, I mean I'm doing you know, I do the
live aerials for NFL and college games, and I'm doing
a bunch of bowl games in the next week. So
Cotton Bowl, Sugar Bowl and then eventually the Fiesta Bowl.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
So well, that's fun. Yeah, it's a nice, nice problem
to have.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
Yeah, hopefully the planes just keep going where they're supposed to.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
That would be nice, would be very nice. All Right,
we'll continue, We'll come back and talk about the weather
that we can expect coming the next couple of days.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
On this Monday, December twenty ninth. We're gonna be here
for a couple of days before we get into the
new year. I would rather die than call you that.
I don't. I don't. The internationally, there's a bunch of
crap going on. We talked last hour about the met
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between President Trump and Ukrainian President Zelenski and this push
towards plans for some sort of a peace deal between
Ukraine and Russia. The President is also hosting Israeli Prime
Minister Benjamin and Yahoo today. And then in Taiwan, they
are on high alert because China has launched a whole
(08:23):
new military drill where they just you know, surround Taiwan.
The Chinese leader she ordered massive live fire exercises to
simulate what would be the seizure and the blockade of Taiwan.
They call it Justice Mission twenty five involving the Army, Navy,
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and the Air Force there for China.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
So I've got some breaking California high speed rail news.
California has ended its lawsuit challenging the termination of all
the federal money.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
What.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Yes, this was a lawsuit filed in July, I believe
because the Federal Railroad administration nixed the four billion in
grants that Obama and Biden had been forking over to California.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
This administration was like, this is ridiculous, we ain't doing
it anymore.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
So Bonta filed emotion to sue in January. Well, last
week they quietly filed emotion to dismiss that complaint that
was filed in July. So California has ended the lawsuit
challenging the termination of that four billion in federal grants.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Wow, I just I see this. Every time you drive
up Highway ninety nine, you're reminded of what an absolute
boondoggle that is. They had made slight progress on it.
There is a new viaduct over the highway in the
southern part of Fresno.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
The California High Speed Rail Authority said in a statement
that the agency has decided to cut ties with the Trumpetminister,
like ties ever existed. They had threatened to get rid
of other federal funding that was tied to the plan
rail connecting LA to the Bay Area. They say the
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move represents a major win for President Donald Trump. It
represents a huge win for California taxpayers that saw countless
dollars just going to pad the pockets of connected elite
lawmakers i e. Diane Feinstein's husband that were connected to
this thing and just made themselves rich, and the brail
never got built. It was never going to be high
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speed rail. It was going to be slow speed rail. Now, listen,
I love trains. I take a slow speed train up there,
and Jerry Brown, me and Jerry Brown, we love trains.
But this was just so corrupt and so un words
are difficult for me today because I haven't been using them.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
I haven't been using them, but not the clean words.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
It wasn't efficient. It wasn't going to be done efficiently.
It wasn't going to be done obviously in a timely manner.
There was way too much red tape from go for
this thing. Too many people with their hands in the pot,
too many stops, too many local municipalities saying what do
we get out of it? What do we get? It
wasn't going to work. It was not feasible from the
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beginning the way that it was planned. Should we have
a high speed rail from LA to San Francisco, Yeah,
we should have had it thirty years ago, at least
thirty at least, But it wasn't going to be done
in the right way, the way that they had planned
it out.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
It just wasn't. Driving home on I five yesterday, I
just thought anywhere, from say, Stockton to LA, it's two lanes,
both directions, that's it. But there's wide open space in
the median on the sides. There is plenty of room
if you added If all you did was add a
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third lane on I five in that's stretch between Sacramento
or sorry, between Stockton, say and LA, that alone would
allow for much quicker transport between LA and San Francisco.
That alone. And that's a multi million dollar plan, not
multi billion dollars.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
The original price tag was thirty three billion. Sure.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
The current price tag is one hundred and twenty eight billion.
And when I say it's a win for California taxpayers.
I should put a caveat in there if lawmakers and
the governor, who will be only here for thirty more seconds,
get rid of their fascination with this because it continues
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in Sacramento. Newsome and state lawmakers have essentially doubled down
on the project they passed to build this session. That
puts another billion in annual funding through some of greenhouse
gas fund towards this project.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
So they're not giving it.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
They haven't said they're giving up on this, but to
go to thirty three billion, which is a ridiculous amount
of money to get your head around, to one hundred
and twenty eight billion, and still what's done on it,
what has been done, what has yet to be done,
and what I don't is just irresponsible.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
So if Gavin Newsom runs for president, if one of
the questions that an a opposing candidate should ask him,
whether it's another Democrat in the primary or a Republican
nominee in the general, is why do you want to
continue pouring bad money after bad money on this high
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speed rail thing? Because and if his answer is something like, well,
Republicans keep getting us caught in red tape and they're
the ones that are driving. How in that How in
the world could he blame it on anybody other than
democratic lawmakers and democratic office and Sacramento.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
The answer now is that they are entertaining private investors.
That is their answer now, that private investors are going
to come to the table and they will select one
or a few of them or what have you.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
I'm curious as to who these people are.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
It would have been Elon Musk thirty years ago or
somebody like Elon Musk, But there's no way that he
would get involved now because he sees the fraud and
the waste that's involved with it.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
I don't know what one sees when they're on What
is he on again, Kennemine ketamine? What does Kennemine do?
Is it just like adderall?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
I have no idea. This is going to blow you away.
I've never done kennemy whoa, yeah, not even over Christmas.
I know what you think, you know, h your opinion
of me is not very high. But the ketamine things,
it's a blind spot for me.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
Anyone around here done Kennemine Oliver.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
You know, if you haven't touched a drug in your life, huh,
pretty straight out.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Ketamine. You don't you've never taken ketamine? Or have you?
It's okay. I'm on a visa, sir.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
You know wait, I have a question. Wait are there
rules connected the visa? You can't do drugs?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Illegal ones? Really well, you can't get caught.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
Have you even read the paperwork?
Speaker 2 (15:17):
All of them?
Speaker 5 (15:18):
I guess you're right.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I'm limiting myself.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
I think you're limiting yourself. This is America now, Oliver.
You do all the drugs you want.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
You changed the direction my life. I'm so glad Gary
and Shannon will continue.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
Deborah Mark the star of the show.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah, good reviews, great reviews for you. It was lots
of fun.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
I really appreciate you guys, including me. I love it.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from kfi
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Where are you guys going? Oh no, no, nowhere. We
just Gary and Shannon kfi AM. This jacket. I was
just catching a shell. I've everywhere on the Iheartradiots. It
did get colder in here, it did get well. We
walked in this morning. I don't know what Neil did
in here, but it was nice and cozy and warm.
And then it dropped out fifteen degrees.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Now it's frozen tundra again.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
President Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahoo are speaking
at mar A Lago right now. Among other things, I
mentioned that President Zelenski of Ukraine was at mar A
Lago yesterday, and it turns out that President Trump had
a phone call with a lot of Raputant to kind
of update him and said that the phone call went well.
(16:35):
They haven't given a lot of details. There's no official readout,
at least not yet from the from the White House
saw a story. American Heart Association put out this story
that we have no idea how much sugar. We ingest
that about fifty seven pounds per year per American fifty
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seven pounds. That's a pound of sugar a week, pound plus.
The culprit is not just you know, cinnamon rolls and sodas.
A lot of things can be marked healthy even if
they have as much as a tablespoon of added sugars. So,
a neuroscience psychiatry professor at Mount Sinai says that you
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should be wary of marketing terms like organic or made
with real fruit, or something that says super food because
a lot of those grocery buzzwords can cover up the
unhealthy amount of sugar. Speaking of which, oh, we finished
all the cookies. Oh no, no, I was we finished
all the cookies. All the cookies are gone. Many of
(17:44):
them we left at my sister's house and just said
they're your trouble now.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah, I've brought the cookies to my brother's house because
I needed three teenage boys, teenage adjacent boys.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
To help the cookies.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
There were so many cookies and treats this Christmas season,
weren't there, and candy and everything.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
And I will say this. We made a beef tenderloin,
and by we, you know, a beef tenderloin for Christmas.
And we had weigh too much, like five pounds. My
wife said she made the mistake of asking the butcher
how many pounds we should get for seven people, and
she ended up with five pounds and it was way
too much fantastic meat, to the point where we did
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something I didn't think we'd ever do as a married couple.
We sliced up that meat and put it in a
to go contain her base like a tupperware, and stuck
it in a cooler and ate it on the road.
We just pulled that meat out to go eat it
in the front seat of the car. Nothing wrong with
pocket hand. Halfway through Selma barreling down on Fresno and
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pre cooked meats in our face. It was really good.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
My brother made a tenderloin and a ham.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
That sounds good. There was a lot of meat going on.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Yeah, I did a I had a ROLLI beautiful roles,
this big, huge roles, and I made a where's your
extra butter joke? He didn't laugh the way that you
laugh at that. He just said, We've got some more
in the fridge. If only he knew, And he knew
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like it wasn't funny to him. I was looking for
extra butter like it was a real thing. That's how
much the cookies went over with me in my house. Okay,
So there was an article in the Atlantic and this
headline caught me. At first, I scrolled past it, and
then I couldn't stop thinking about it. And the headline
is this, why did we ever watch to catch a predator?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Interesting?
Speaker 5 (19:47):
And I started thinking about I scrolled past it and
then I.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Was like, why did why were we all so captivated
as a people watching wanna be child molesters or rapists
or what have you.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
Right, Like, we.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Went through a real dark time in reality television. They say,
the year two thousand and four situated after nine to eleven,
before Barack Obama. They said, of television, Yeah, very dark.
You had The Apprentice, You had The Swan. Remember the Swan? No,
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that's black Swan. The Swan was a reality show, Oh
oh yes, got it where everyday women looking like everyday
women would essentially get all their problem spots sharp eat
on television and their faces ripped apart by plastic surgeons
to look like they went from the ugly duff duckling
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to the beautiful swan.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
Awful, And we gobbled it up as a people.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
And that's what we had. Body just more.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
That is why we have all.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Of the disorders we have today.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Two thousand and four, man, I mean I remember watching
that show. I remember that was a time when I
didn't even I didn't have money for cable, so I
had like the rabbit ears on top of my TV
with tinfoil over the top of the antennas to make
it work better.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
And I had like three I had like three.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Channels that year, and one of them was NBC, I think,
which was the carrier of the Swan. I remember being
glued to my television watching that show. How awful, how
awful to buy into the ugly duckling mindset that women
are the ugly ducklings that will be turned into the
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swan with diets that will kill them, plastic surgery when
nothing needs like Wow, Twilight Zone, was.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
That right anyway? And we ate it up?
Speaker 5 (21:51):
It up, same thing with To Catch a Predator.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
It ran for three years and Jimmy Kimmel once jokingly
referred to it as punked for petif files. And that's
what it is like. We all sat there and we're like, no,
we're doing good. We're exposing people who would prey on children.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
We're not. We're being entertained.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
By these guys in the ways they would try to
get young girls into their clutches.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
What are they going to try tonight?
Speaker 1 (22:17):
What's this guy going to tell this little girl to
get her to the meeting spot?
Speaker 2 (22:21):
I mean it was.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Awful, well this uh and we all sat around and
watched it.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah, And I can't describe what the I don't know.
I can't describe the feeling I got while I was
watching it, But it was something akin to how can
these guys be First of all, good these get these guys,
throw them away, you know, throw away the key, lock
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them up, throw away the key. But on the other hand,
how could you be so stupid? And then when confronted
by in this case Chris Hansen, right, who walks in
and goes, wow, how are you not that he's Scott Pelly,
but but that he would walk in and catch these
guys red handed? I mean in the act almost of
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taking advantage of these kids. New Balance shoes in tac
as well, yeah, absolutely, or new Balance man.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
They say that we.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Enjoy having our basest desires appealed to. It appeals these
shows to our basest, basest desires to see people disgraced
from the comfort of our couch.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Well, how awful. I'm sure that this came out at
the same time. I don't know exactly the production years
of it, but the TV show Cheaters, where they would
catch people cheating, is not the same kind of c
W product. Sure, I don't know I ever saw it
it was. It was very much the same same kind
of thing, like Ryan's roses. Yeah, are you here? You
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hear people and you, but you get this feeling you
have no investment in these people. You don't know who
they are.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
It's not like shoten Freud, where it's like, you know,
to see the seahawks lose makes me happy.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
Right, It's a weird human thing that it.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Appeals to of watching people get humiliated for doing something wrong,
or or watching people embarrassed or you know, what is
it about the swan? Like I get watching a predator
get caught you're you're watching and get embarrassed on national
television for being a scumbag? But what is it that
appeals to my human desires? To watch a woman be
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told she's ugly and has to change the way she
looks from head to toe and go under the knife
to do so? Like what does that appeal to? And ha,
what does that say about you? What does that say
about us as a people? That that thing we watch
that as a country.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
And it becomes a point meant television.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
It was a term a law professor came up with
humil attainment, fetishization of punishment on camera. They say it
was exemplified by Abu Grabe, a template for contemporary culture
back then in two thousand and four.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Let's do more on this we come back.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Oh. This is very nice.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
This is from George.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
H Yeah, we got gifts. That's very nice. That's very cool.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
It's a speaker an AirTag.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Is this for George to track us? The AirTag kind
of confused. I don't know if it's on. I think
you have to remove the little tag before it.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
That's probably on, right, so I don't know your phone,
I mean, doude like the speaker.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
That's very nice, very nice. Ry Christmas, Rry Christmas. Thank you, George.
At the top of the hour, we're going to get
into swamp Watch. Some stuff going on in DC. One
of the one of the things that came out the
last couple of days is that apparently we have conducted
land strikes against Venezuela.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
You can take the speaker in the shower, you can.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I'm not going to. Oh, so we'll talk about that
coming up when we get into swamp Watch. Motivational Monday
is coming up late in the show. We've got Gas
Fantasy four play the recount Week seventeen. As we get
ready to wrap up the regular season of the football season,
et cetera. So we were talking about To Catch a Predator,
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and man, the way you described it, two thousand and
four in terms of reality TV was a really dark
time where we somehow fell into the glorification I suppose
of the humiliation of other people and it became such
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entertainment for us. And I mean, these were very, very
popular shows. So To Catch a Predator basically is guys
who chat online with people pretending to be.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
Kids, usually police detectives.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Police detectives usually then get invited to a house that
is rigged up with cameras and microphones, et cetera, surrounded
by officers, and they come in to what they meet
what they think is going to be the kid that
they've been chatting with, the.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
Beauty, the genius.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
The grossness of it all is that the guys that
turn up are guys that look like Gary Hoffman. Hey
wait a minute, guys that look like your kid's basketball coach.
A lot of these guys do not look they don't
arrive in the white panel van like they look like
everyday dudes. Which was the shock the shock value that
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came with this show, as it made you kind of
look around and be like.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
Huh do I really know X Y or Z.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Predators is a documentary that was released this month on
Paramount Plus and it kind of homes in on what
made To Catch a Predator a hit? What is it
about us that's into watching this and in Predators this documentary,
as the Atlantic, rights were forced to confront multiple truths
(28:35):
at once. Yes, To Catch a Predator was targeting men
who were trying to do something monstrous. Yes, the show
was raising awareness about the grooming of children online, which
was a nascent thing at that point.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Nascent.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Again, words are not my specialty. Today we were in
the very beginning of people scamming each other online.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
They said.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
It was also doing so in a way that turned
personal transgression into public drama. And that's where it appealed
to our basest desire to see people disgraced and humiliated.
The author in The Atlantic that wrote this story says,
watching this documentary and this documentary, Predator is a new one.
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I thought of Janet Malcolm's observation that every journalist who
is not too stupid or full of himself to notice
what is going on, knows that what he is doing
is morally indefensible. The maker of the documentary is interested,
they write, not only in the moral complicity of exposing
someone on camera, but also in the technical aspects of
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how that exposure is carried out, from the camera angles
and the lighting setups, from the interviews signed release forms,
they said. The documentary begins with a segment from the
dateline show. We hear a phone call an unnamed man
charms a girl, calling her so sweet, telling her that
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he has to stop at Walmart to pick up some
things so I don't get you pregnant. As the conversation
plays out, we see the house being staged as a
set lens is being adjusted, the zipper on the girl's
hoodie being pulled up. Were led to wonder what it
means to capture the worst day of someone's life on camera,
the preparation of it, and how guilty the documentarian is
(30:28):
in himself and re airing the show's footage that us
in twenty twenty five watching this documentary on to Catch
a Predator is like, oh man, this was e fed up.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
I watch we were effed up. That is very strange
and it's funny, they say, they but here's.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
The thing, I will go home and I will watch
this documentary called Predators on how we're all fascinated with
to watch watching to catch a predator because I'm still fascinated.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Well, and they says, you're going to have they want
He's gonna he wants you to have this reaction to yourself.
He wants you to have the reaction to twenty one
year old twenty one year ago, you thinking that this
was entertainment and like, I can't wait to see what
happens with that guy. Yeah. Now it's funny is they
say that our reactions today Are we really that far
(31:22):
away from it? Are we really that far away from
that type of entertainment today? The writer in The Atlantic
points out the Coldplay kiss cam fiasco from a few
months ago and how everybody jumped on them for that,
for that moment. And I would say the difference is
that was a completely unscripted, unproduced moment in time that
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just happened to be caught on. Yeah, but we.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Jumped on their public shame. True, we love that, We
love a public shaming and what it why?
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Well, but I equated to something like you set up.
We see a lot of these fake videos on social
media now where it's like, oh, the guy in the
airplane seat behind me won't stop kicking my seat, and
there's a fight and everybody gets involved when it's clearly
set up and it's fake and it's meant, but it
is meant to elicit a reaction. As opposed to those visceral,
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actual fights that take place on an airplane or a
terminal whatever, that are real and you could tell that
they're real. Those gip can give you a different kind
of reaction. The whole kiss cam Coldplay thing was they
got caught and nobody set them up, nobody invited them
to the Coldplay concert, was like, hey, you should bring
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your boyfriend just in case there's a camera there. So,
I mean, I think it's slightly different, but but it.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Is that ridiculousness of cold Play and everything so stupid.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
But it is that we are. We as a human species,
are very quick to point and shame because it's so
we feel so much.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Better about ourselves. Don't wait totally, it's awful. Let's do
better in the new year.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
We'll see what we can do. That's a lot of pressure, though.
Do you want your Jeopardy question, how many more old
these we got? I don't know. Do you not want
to do it in the New Year. No, I didn't
say that. I was just I was asking.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
When they're dumb, I discard them. But this one is
right up your alley. Hey, this is like your wheelhouse.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
I don't know what that means.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Well, I guess we'll find out. Bottled up for two
hundred dollars, this rapper jokes.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
You don't not yet.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
This rapper's debut perfume Pink Friday comes in a bottle
that looks like a bust of herself.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Bink Friday CARDI b No, yes, I see. You know
all of them. I know all of them.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
Well, Tuck Swamp watch when we come back.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Another death. Gosh, well, I don't know, I don't know
why I always do this, but I always do.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
This.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
One of the greatest songs ever, the guy wrote.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
Don Bryantis Malando died.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
At the age of eighty three. Don Bryant, bringing back
Sweet Memory, wrote that song I Can't Stand the Rain
back in nineteen seventy three for his singer songwriter rife
wife Anne Peebles. It was the year of your birth,
the year of my birth. John Lennon once said that
this was the greatest song ever recorded. Eight song.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I don't think I've heard this song in thirty years.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
It was redone on there was a movie The Replacements.
I think is that what it was called. It has
been redone. It's that multiple times. Yeah, they sample it
to I think Missy Elliott sampled it for a while, yeah,
or in one of her song So anyway, that's a
sad story. There is a college football game. There's an
NFL football game tonight. Of course, it's the Rams against
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the Falcons in Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
But there's some sort of weird math that has the
Falcons still potentially in the playoffs. They broke it down
at the halftime a last night's game and my head
hurt extensively after. But there's a three way situation there
in the South.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Where it would come down to records. Yeah, it's a
hole to do. The Birmingham Bowl is tonight the Georgia
Southern Eagles against the Appalachian State Mountaineers actually starts about
an hour from now, and then the Week eighteen schedule
has been announced for the final week of the NFL
regular season. The forty nine Ers are going to host
the Seahawks on Saturday night for the top seed in
(01:51):
the NFC, and then the Steelers host the Ravens on
the other primetime game Sunday night. The winner there will
take the AFC North. And as you said, the loser
is out. Looks like there were alerts that came in
on Saturday for people up in the Santa Clarita Valley, Valverdi, Castaic, etc.
(02:14):
Lake Hughes area told to stay in their homes because
of this natural gas pipeline in Castaic that had ruptured
thirty four inch transmission line under about six hundred pounds
of pressure is what I saw. Exactly what broke this thing,
nobody knows, but a spokesperson for SoCal Gas says that
there was significant land movement spotted near the break. Now
(02:39):
is it the gas leak and explosion. I wouldn't call
an explosion, it didn't ignite, but the gas leak that
caused the landslide or was it the landslide that then
caused the rupture? And as of this point they do
not know the sound. Also, if you've seen some the videos,
(03:01):
the sound of these very high pressure gas leaks like
this can be just as disorienting as the potential danger.
Fire and Hasmat Cruz had to work on Saturday to
try to seal the leak from transmission pipeline, as well
as the smell of the rotten eggs. The natural gas
itself doesn't smell, the smell that you associate with natural
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gas is added so you can tell when it is leaking.
Fire Department said that there were reports of an explosion
about four twenty on Saturday, right near Ridge Route Road
and Pinecrest Place, just south of the North Lake Hills
Elementary School, so it would have been on the east
side of I five, and there were orange plumes, they said,
(03:46):
rising from the hillside that collapsed, but that was dust
for the most part. As of La County Fire Department
station just down the road, you could smell it, multiple
residents miles away, even in the north San Fernando Valley.
They said that they could smell all of this. No
immediate threat. They were able to close I five for
(04:07):
several hours on Saturday night, but it was reopened and
again last night driving through, not a sign at all
that anything had gone gone on the night before.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
So we are going to get some weather here.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
We thought that we just had rain for Christmas Eve
and the like, and now we are going to.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Have New Year's weather.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
I was looking at the forecast in Denver because I'll
be there this weekend.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Fifty five degrees. You're going to go to Denver to
get a reprieve from the weather.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Yeah, Sonny, in fifty five degrees. No, I'm sorry, Sonny.
And sixty degrees it's even better. What Denver in January?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Maybe I'll fly to Denver just to get out of
the out of the rain. Let me play this. I
was gonna play something, but the thing I've had a
couple of years off.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
You're rusty.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Hey, guys, it's right from the South Bay. I didn't
get a chance to say that I loved the Christmas
Girl and Christmas Eve. You guys did an excellent job.
It was so funny. What made it even better was
autumn mistakes mistaken. You're the MVP. I have a great day, guys.
Speedy delivery, all right, thanks.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Ray was working Christmas Eve. Remember it was out there
delivering stuff. It was a great time.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Like it was.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
One of my girlfriends texted me like, oh, what are you.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Doing today or whatever. I was like, oh, I'm working.
Oh sorry, you have to work. I'm like, I'm not like.
I loved being here on Christmas Eve. And everybody was
here and people came in that weren't even working, and
we all got to do something live together. And you know,
we had Heather and Michael and Will and they did
their Christmas medally which was impromptu and fantastic. And then
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you know, Deborah and Amy hit it out of the park.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
With their acting.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
It was just and How's daughter was incredible, and my gosh,
she came in to be part of it. That's rare
that there's a child that wants to be with children
in here, or that they want to be in here.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
She was over the moon, you guys truly like could
not wait to get home and tell everybody.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
And so your guys's Christmas medalie like made my Christmas.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
It was so I must have watched it like A doesn't.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
It was so good.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
We were we were like.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
I feel like we should tell everybody we are not
professional singers in that way. We just literally threw something
together minutes before the air. But we had fun with it.
Poor Michael Monks, I thought he was going to pass
out when I told him. He was like, what we're singing?
And then you got Will and I who were.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Like, oh he doth protest to me?
Speaker 1 (06:46):
And then will is Elvis was just the surprise of
the season. Good.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Oh, it's so good that Amy Kills loved it. Will
I heard you mention that you're gonna have to travel.
That is it this week you're going to be flying
around or is it next week?
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Well?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Both both?
Speaker 6 (07:02):
Actually, I mean I'm doing you know, I do the
live aerials for NFL and college games, and I'm doing
a bunch of bowl games in the next week. So
Cotton Bowl, Sugar Bowl and then eventually the Fiesta Bowl.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
So well, that's fun. Yeah, it's a nice, nice problem
to have.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
Yeah, hopefully the planes just keep going where they're supposed to.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
That would be nice, would be very nice. All Right,
we'll continue, We'll come back and talk about the weather
that we can expect coming the next couple of days.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
On this Monday, December twenty ninth. We're gonna be here
for a couple of days before we get into the
new year. I would rather die than call you that.
I don't. I don't. The internationally, there's a bunch of
crap going on. We talked last hour about the met
(08:00):
between President Trump and Ukrainian President Zelenski and this push
towards plans for some sort of a peace deal between
Ukraine and Russia. The President is also hosting Israeli Prime
Minister Benjamin and Yahoo today. And then in Taiwan, they
are on high alert because China has launched a whole
(08:23):
new military drill where they just you know, surround Taiwan.
The Chinese leader she ordered massive live fire exercises to
simulate what would be the seizure and the blockade of Taiwan.
They call it Justice Mission twenty five involving the Army, Navy,
(08:44):
and the Air Force there for China.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
So I've got some breaking California high speed rail news.
California has ended its lawsuit challenging the termination of all
the federal money.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
What.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Yes, this was a lawsuit filed in July, I believe
because the Federal Railroad administration nixed the four billion in
grants that Obama and Biden had been forking over to California.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
This administration was like, this is ridiculous, we ain't doing
it anymore.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
So Bonta filed emotion to sue in January. Well, last
week they quietly filed emotion to dismiss that complaint that
was filed in July. So California has ended the lawsuit
challenging the termination of that four billion in federal grants.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Wow, I just I see this. Every time you drive
up Highway ninety nine, you're reminded of what an absolute
boondoggle that is. They had made slight progress on it.
There is a new viaduct over the highway in the
southern part of Fresno.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
The California High Speed Rail Authority said in a statement
that the agency has decided to cut ties with the Trumpetminister,
like ties ever existed. They had threatened to get rid
of other federal funding that was tied to the plan
rail connecting LA to the Bay Area. They say the
(10:15):
move represents a major win for President Donald Trump. It
represents a huge win for California taxpayers that saw countless
dollars just going to pad the pockets of connected elite
lawmakers i e. Diane Feinstein's husband that were connected to
this thing and just made themselves rich, and the brail
never got built. It was never going to be high
(10:35):
speed rail. It was going to be slow speed rail. Now, listen,
I love trains. I take a slow speed train up there,
and Jerry Brown, me and Jerry Brown, we love trains.
But this was just so corrupt and so un words
are difficult for me today because I haven't been using them.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
I haven't been using them, but not the clean words.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
It wasn't efficient. It wasn't going to be done efficiently.
It wasn't going to be done obviously in a timely manner.
There was way too much red tape from go for
this thing. Too many people with their hands in the pot,
too many stops, too many local municipalities saying what do
we get out of it? What do we get? It
wasn't going to work. It was not feasible from the
(11:21):
beginning the way that it was planned. Should we have
a high speed rail from LA to San Francisco, Yeah,
we should have had it thirty years ago, at least
thirty at least, But it wasn't going to be done
in the right way, the way that they had planned
it out.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
It just wasn't. Driving home on I five yesterday, I
just thought anywhere, from say, Stockton to LA, it's two lanes,
both directions, that's it. But there's wide open space in
the median on the sides. There is plenty of room
if you added If all you did was add a
(11:57):
third lane on I five in that's stretch between Sacramento
or sorry, between Stockton, say and LA, that alone would
allow for much quicker transport between LA and San Francisco.
That alone. And that's a multi million dollar plan, not
multi billion dollars.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
The original price tag was thirty three billion. Sure.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
The current price tag is one hundred and twenty eight billion.
And when I say it's a win for California taxpayers.
I should put a caveat in there if lawmakers and
the governor, who will be only here for thirty more seconds,
get rid of their fascination with this because it continues
(12:46):
in Sacramento. Newsome and state lawmakers have essentially doubled down
on the project they passed to build this session. That
puts another billion in annual funding through some of greenhouse
gas fund towards this project.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
So they're not giving it.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
They haven't said they're giving up on this, but to
go to thirty three billion, which is a ridiculous amount
of money to get your head around, to one hundred
and twenty eight billion, and still what's done on it,
what has been done, what has yet to be done,
and what I don't is just irresponsible.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
So if Gavin Newsom runs for president, if one of
the questions that an a opposing candidate should ask him,
whether it's another Democrat in the primary or a Republican
nominee in the general, is why do you want to
continue pouring bad money after bad money on this high
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speed rail thing? Because and if his answer is something like, well,
Republicans keep getting us caught in red tape and they're
the ones that are driving. How in that How in
the world could he blame it on anybody other than
democratic lawmakers and democratic office and Sacramento.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
The answer now is that they are entertaining private investors.
That is their answer now, that private investors are going
to come to the table and they will select one
or a few of them or what have you.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
I'm curious as to who these people are.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
It would have been Elon Musk thirty years ago or
somebody like Elon Musk, But there's no way that he
would get involved now because he sees the fraud and
the waste that's involved with it.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
I don't know what one sees when they're on What
is he on again, Kennemine ketamine? What does Kennemine do?
Is it just like adderall?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
I have no idea. This is going to blow you away.
I've never done kennemy whoa, yeah, not even over Christmas.
I know what you think, you know, h your opinion
of me is not very high. But the ketamine things,
it's a blind spot for me.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
Anyone around here done Kennemine Oliver.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
You know, if you haven't touched a drug in your life, huh,
pretty straight out.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Ketamine. You don't you've never taken ketamine? Or have you?
It's okay. I'm on a visa, sir.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
You know wait, I have a question. Wait are there
rules connected the visa? You can't do drugs?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Illegal ones? Really well, you can't get caught.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
Have you even read the paperwork?
Speaker 2 (15:17):
All of them?
Speaker 5 (15:18):
I guess you're right.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I'm limiting myself.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
I think you're limiting yourself. This is America now, Oliver.
You do all the drugs you want.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
You changed the direction my life. I'm so glad Gary
and Shannon will continue.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
Deborah Mark the star of the show.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah, good reviews, great reviews for you. It was lots
of fun.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
I really appreciate you guys, including me. I love it.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from kfi
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Where are you guys going? Oh no, no, nowhere. We
just Gary and Shannon kfi AM. This jacket. I was
just catching a shell. I've everywhere on the Iheartradiots. It
did get colder in here, it did get well. We
walked in this morning. I don't know what Neil did
in here, but it was nice and cozy and warm.
And then it dropped out fifteen degrees.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Now it's frozen tundra again.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
President Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahoo are speaking
at mar A Lago right now. Among other things, I
mentioned that President Zelenski of Ukraine was at mar A
Lago yesterday, and it turns out that President Trump had
a phone call with a lot of Raputant to kind
of update him and said that the phone call went well.
(16:35):
They haven't given a lot of details. There's no official readout,
at least not yet from the from the White House
saw a story. American Heart Association put out this story
that we have no idea how much sugar. We ingest
that about fifty seven pounds per year per American fifty
(17:01):
seven pounds. That's a pound of sugar a week, pound plus.
The culprit is not just you know, cinnamon rolls and sodas.
A lot of things can be marked healthy even if
they have as much as a tablespoon of added sugars. So,
a neuroscience psychiatry professor at Mount Sinai says that you
(17:23):
should be wary of marketing terms like organic or made
with real fruit, or something that says super food because
a lot of those grocery buzzwords can cover up the
unhealthy amount of sugar. Speaking of which, oh, we finished
all the cookies. Oh no, no, I was we finished
all the cookies. All the cookies are gone. Many of
(17:44):
them we left at my sister's house and just said
they're your trouble now.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah, I've brought the cookies to my brother's house because
I needed three teenage boys, teenage adjacent boys.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
To help the cookies.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
There were so many cookies and treats this Christmas season,
weren't there, and candy and everything.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
And I will say this. We made a beef tenderloin,
and by we, you know, a beef tenderloin for Christmas.
And we had weigh too much, like five pounds. My
wife said she made the mistake of asking the butcher
how many pounds we should get for seven people, and
she ended up with five pounds and it was way
too much fantastic meat, to the point where we did
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something I didn't think we'd ever do as a married couple.
We sliced up that meat and put it in a
to go contain her base like a tupperware, and stuck
it in a cooler and ate it on the road.
We just pulled that meat out to go eat it
in the front seat of the car. Nothing wrong with
pocket hand. Halfway through Selma barreling down on Fresno and
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pre cooked meats in our face. It was really good.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
My brother made a tenderloin and a ham.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
That sounds good. There was a lot of meat going on.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Yeah, I did a I had a ROLLI beautiful roles,
this big, huge roles, and I made a where's your
extra butter joke? He didn't laugh the way that you
laugh at that. He just said, We've got some more
in the fridge. If only he knew, And he knew
(19:23):
like it wasn't funny to him. I was looking for
extra butter like it was a real thing. That's how
much the cookies went over with me in my house. Okay,
So there was an article in the Atlantic and this
headline caught me. At first, I scrolled past it, and
then I couldn't stop thinking about it. And the headline
is this, why did we ever watch to catch a predator?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Interesting?
Speaker 5 (19:47):
And I started thinking about I scrolled past it and
then I.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Was like, why did why were we all so captivated
as a people watching wanna be child molesters or rapists
or what have you.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
Right, Like, we.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Went through a real dark time in reality television. They say,
the year two thousand and four situated after nine to eleven,
before Barack Obama. They said, of television, Yeah, very dark.
You had The Apprentice, You had The Swan. Remember the Swan? No,
(20:28):
that's black Swan. The Swan was a reality show, Oh
oh yes, got it where everyday women looking like everyday
women would essentially get all their problem spots sharp eat
on television and their faces ripped apart by plastic surgeons
to look like they went from the ugly duff duckling
(20:51):
to the beautiful swan.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
Awful, And we gobbled it up as a people.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
And that's what we had. Body just more.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
That is why we have all.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Of the disorders we have today.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Two thousand and four, man, I mean I remember watching
that show. I remember that was a time when I
didn't even I didn't have money for cable, so I
had like the rabbit ears on top of my TV
with tinfoil over the top of the antennas to make
it work better.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
And I had like three I had like three.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Channels that year, and one of them was NBC, I think,
which was the carrier of the Swan. I remember being
glued to my television watching that show. How awful, how
awful to buy into the ugly duckling mindset that women
are the ugly ducklings that will be turned into the
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swan with diets that will kill them, plastic surgery when
nothing needs like Wow, Twilight Zone, was.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
That right anyway? And we ate it up?
Speaker 5 (21:51):
It up, same thing with To Catch a Predator.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
It ran for three years and Jimmy Kimmel once jokingly
referred to it as punked for petif files. And that's
what it is like. We all sat there and we're like, no,
we're doing good. We're exposing people who would prey on children.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
We're not. We're being entertained.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
By these guys in the ways they would try to
get young girls into their clutches.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
What are they going to try tonight?
Speaker 1 (22:17):
What's this guy going to tell this little girl to
get her to the meeting spot?
Speaker 2 (22:21):
I mean it was.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Awful, well this uh and we all sat around and
watched it.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah, And I can't describe what the I don't know.
I can't describe the feeling I got while I was
watching it, But it was something akin to how can
these guys be First of all, good these get these guys,
throw them away, you know, throw away the key, lock
(22:48):
them up, throw away the key. But on the other hand,
how could you be so stupid? And then when confronted
by in this case Chris Hansen, right, who walks in
and goes, wow, how are you not that he's Scott Pelly,
but but that he would walk in and catch these
guys red handed? I mean in the act almost of
(23:12):
taking advantage of these kids. New Balance shoes in tac
as well, yeah, absolutely, or new Balance man.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
They say that we.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Enjoy having our basest desires appealed to. It appeals these
shows to our basest, basest desires to see people disgraced
from the comfort of our couch.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Well, how awful. I'm sure that this came out at
the same time. I don't know exactly the production years
of it, but the TV show Cheaters, where they would
catch people cheating, is not the same kind of c
W product. Sure, I don't know I ever saw it
it was. It was very much the same same kind
of thing, like Ryan's roses. Yeah, are you here? You
(24:00):
hear people and you, but you get this feeling you
have no investment in these people. You don't know who
they are.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
It's not like shoten Freud, where it's like, you know,
to see the seahawks lose makes me happy.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
Right, It's a weird human thing that it.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Appeals to of watching people get humiliated for doing something wrong,
or or watching people embarrassed or you know, what is
it about the swan? Like I get watching a predator
get caught you're you're watching and get embarrassed on national
television for being a scumbag? But what is it that
appeals to my human desires? To watch a woman be
(24:40):
told she's ugly and has to change the way she
looks from head to toe and go under the knife
to do so? Like what does that appeal to? And ha,
what does that say about you? What does that say
about us as a people? That that thing we watch
that as a country.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
And it becomes a point meant television.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
It was a term a law professor came up with
humil attainment, fetishization of punishment on camera. They say it
was exemplified by Abu Grabe, a template for contemporary culture
back then in two thousand and four.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Let's do more on this we come back.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
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Speaker 2 (25:29):
Oh. This is very nice.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
This is from George.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
H Yeah, we got gifts. That's very nice. That's very cool.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
It's a speaker an AirTag.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Is this for George to track us? The AirTag kind
of confused. I don't know if it's on. I think
you have to remove the little tag before it.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
That's probably on, right, so I don't know your phone,
I mean, doude like the speaker.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
That's very nice, very nice. Ry Christmas, Rry Christmas. Thank you, George.
At the top of the hour, we're going to get
into swamp Watch. Some stuff going on in DC. One
of the one of the things that came out the
last couple of days is that apparently we have conducted
land strikes against Venezuela.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
You can take the speaker in the shower, you can.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I'm not going to. Oh, so we'll talk about that
coming up when we get into swamp Watch. Motivational Monday
is coming up late in the show. We've got Gas
Fantasy four play the recount Week seventeen. As we get
ready to wrap up the regular season of the football season,
et cetera. So we were talking about To Catch a Predator,
(26:43):
and man, the way you described it, two thousand and
four in terms of reality TV was a really dark
time where we somehow fell into the glorification I suppose
of the humiliation of other people and it became such
(27:06):
entertainment for us. And I mean, these were very, very
popular shows. So To Catch a Predator basically is guys
who chat online with people pretending to be.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
Kids, usually police detectives.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Police detectives usually then get invited to a house that
is rigged up with cameras and microphones, et cetera, surrounded
by officers, and they come in to what they meet
what they think is going to be the kid that
they've been chatting with, the.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
Beauty, the genius.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
The grossness of it all is that the guys that
turn up are guys that look like Gary Hoffman. Hey
wait a minute, guys that look like your kid's basketball coach.
A lot of these guys do not look they don't
arrive in the white panel van like they look like
everyday dudes. Which was the shock the shock value that
(28:03):
came with this show, as it made you kind of
look around and be like.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
Huh do I really know X Y or Z.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Predators is a documentary that was released this month on
Paramount Plus and it kind of homes in on what
made To Catch a Predator a hit? What is it
about us that's into watching this and in Predators this documentary,
as the Atlantic, rights were forced to confront multiple truths
(28:35):
at once. Yes, To Catch a Predator was targeting men
who were trying to do something monstrous. Yes, the show
was raising awareness about the grooming of children online, which
was a nascent thing at that point.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Nascent.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Again, words are not my specialty. Today we were in
the very beginning of people scamming each other online.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
They said.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
It was also doing so in a way that turned
personal transgression into public drama. And that's where it appealed
to our basest desire to see people disgraced and humiliated.
The author in The Atlantic that wrote this story says,
watching this documentary and this documentary, Predator is a new one.
(29:23):
I thought of Janet Malcolm's observation that every journalist who
is not too stupid or full of himself to notice
what is going on, knows that what he is doing
is morally indefensible. The maker of the documentary is interested,
they write, not only in the moral complicity of exposing
someone on camera, but also in the technical aspects of
(29:44):
how that exposure is carried out, from the camera angles
and the lighting setups, from the interviews signed release forms,
they said. The documentary begins with a segment from the
dateline show. We hear a phone call an unnamed man
charms a girl, calling her so sweet, telling her that
(30:04):
he has to stop at Walmart to pick up some
things so I don't get you pregnant. As the conversation
plays out, we see the house being staged as a
set lens is being adjusted, the zipper on the girl's
hoodie being pulled up. Were led to wonder what it
means to capture the worst day of someone's life on camera,
the preparation of it, and how guilty the documentarian is
(30:28):
in himself and re airing the show's footage that us
in twenty twenty five watching this documentary on to Catch
a Predator is like, oh man, this was e fed up.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
I watch we were effed up. That is very strange
and it's funny, they say, they but here's.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
The thing, I will go home and I will watch
this documentary called Predators on how we're all fascinated with
to watch watching to catch a predator because I'm still fascinated.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Well, and they says, you're going to have they want
He's gonna he wants you to have this reaction to yourself.
He wants you to have the reaction to twenty one
year old twenty one year ago, you thinking that this
was entertainment and like, I can't wait to see what
happens with that guy. Yeah. Now it's funny is they
say that our reactions today Are we really that far
(31:22):
away from it? Are we really that far away from
that type of entertainment today? The writer in The Atlantic
points out the Coldplay kiss cam fiasco from a few
months ago and how everybody jumped on them for that,
for that moment. And I would say the difference is
that was a completely unscripted, unproduced moment in time that
(31:47):
just happened to be caught on. Yeah, but we.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Jumped on their public shame. True, we love that, We
love a public shaming and what it why?
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Well, but I equated to something like you set up.
We see a lot of these fake videos on social
media now where it's like, oh, the guy in the
airplane seat behind me won't stop kicking my seat, and
there's a fight and everybody gets involved when it's clearly
set up and it's fake and it's meant, but it
is meant to elicit a reaction. As opposed to those visceral,
(32:20):
actual fights that take place on an airplane or a
terminal whatever, that are real and you could tell that
they're real. Those gip can give you a different kind
of reaction. The whole kiss cam Coldplay thing was they
got caught and nobody set them up, nobody invited them
to the Coldplay concert, was like, hey, you should bring
(32:40):
your boyfriend just in case there's a camera there. So,
I mean, I think it's slightly different, but but it.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Is that ridiculousness of cold Play and everything so stupid.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
But it is that we are. We as a human species,
are very quick to point and shame because it's so
we feel so much.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Better about ourselves. Don't wait totally, it's awful. Let's do
better in the new year.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
We'll see what we can do. That's a lot of pressure, though.
Do you want your Jeopardy question, how many more old
these we got? I don't know. Do you not want
to do it in the New Year. No, I didn't
say that. I was just I was asking.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
When they're dumb, I discard them. But this one is
right up your alley. Hey, this is like your wheelhouse.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
I don't know what that means.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Well, I guess we'll find out. Bottled up for two
hundred dollars, this rapper jokes.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
You don't not yet.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
This rapper's debut perfume Pink Friday comes in a bottle
that looks like a bust of herself.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Bink Friday CARDI b No, yes, I see. You know
all of them. I know all of them.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
Well, Tuck Swamp watch when we come back.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
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