July 16, 2025 • 32 mins
#SWAMPWATCH / #PARENTING with Justin Worsham: Research suggests that raising girls is more stressful than boys. Stop Helicopter Parenting and Start Panda Parenting, Say Experts.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app. Speaker Mike Johnson calling for all
credible information on Epstein to be publicly releasing. His previous
comments were misquoted and misrepresented, so he is coming down
on the side of release the information. I guess that
(00:25):
the caveat is that they keep when I say they,
he and President Trump are saying credible information. Trump did
say that his Attorney General, Pam BONDI should release relevant
I believe or credible information as well. I guess that's
up for debate what's credible and what is not. Firestorm
continuing there. That's where we kick off swamp Watch.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I'm a politician, which means I'm a cheat and a liar,
and when I'm not kissing babies, I'm stealing their volley pops.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yeah, we got the real problem is that our leaders
are dumb.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
The other side never quits, so what I'm not going anywhere?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
So now the.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Squad, I can imagine what can be and be unburdened
by what has been.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
You know, Murvans have always been going as they're not stupid.
Speaker 6 (01:12):
A political plunder is when a politician actually tells the truth.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Why have the people voted for you with not SAP watch.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
They're all counternoed.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
So this Epstein fervor that got renewed excitement over the
weekend at the turning point Maga gen Z conference is continuing,
and now it is erupting in.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
The halls of Washington.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Like I said, Mike Johnson was just asked about it
by a.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Scrum of reporters.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
And now a leading Republican critic of Trump has begun
a long shot effort to force a vote on whether
the administration should release files related to the case of
Jeffrey Epstein, deepening this Republican rift. It's pretty foundational to
the mag of movement, isn't it bring in somebody who's
(02:00):
anti government to unearth or unveil all the corruption that
has gone on at the hands of the political elite. Now,
when you look at the Magabase, you're thinking, Okay, these
are people that have been clamoring to get all the
information about the Clintons and the Obama's out that they
think has been hidden for decades, and now you've got Trump.
(02:23):
That doesn't seem excited to do so. Kind of ran
on the same vibe Pam Bondi when she took over
an attorney general in February, same vibe there. They seemed
excited to be able to release all this Epstein information,
and the fact that they haven't is.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Not going over well.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Donald Trump, addressing the issue in the Oval Office today,
firing back at the backlash, he said that the inquiry
into Epstein is boring and of interest only to bad people.
He did say, and here's that word again, and that
he backed the release of any credible files. Trying to
(03:04):
stamp out this conspiracy among his supporters. He went on
this great, greatly long truth social post today about it,
sounding the angriest as he ever has. But last night
he told reporters, I don't understand why the Jeffrey Epstein
case would be of any interest to anybody.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
It's pretty boring stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
It's sordid, but it's boring, and I don't understand why
it keeps going, he said. I think only really bad people,
pretty bad people, excuse me, including fake news, want to
keep something like that going. But the only reason we're
talking about it is because what happened at turning point
USA over the weekend.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
This was something that I thought was buried.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
I had no idea that this was alive and well.
And then I hear all the booze at the Turning
Point conference, which was looked like a lot of fun
by the way, the pictures look great. Everyone's having a
good time, and then this issue arises and a sea
of booze throughout the crowd. And then you start digging
around on social media and you get into the algorithms
of all the people that say that this remains a
(04:08):
massive cover up. We sent this guy in there to
be transparent and let us know exactly who they've been
protecting here, so we'll see what goes on about that.
They are considering a number of options at the White
House as they try to circle the wagons and figure
this thing out. A special prosecutor has been talked about.
(04:31):
And it's not just people on Twitter and conspiracy theorists
and crazy people that are talking about this. It's a
lot of Trump's biggest fans, surrogates in his inner circle.
It is you know, Marjorie Taylor Green, It's Steve Bannon,
it's Making Kelly on her podcast. It's Dan Bongino, who's
(04:52):
squared off and shouting matches with Pam Bondi over this.
There's people in his inner circle here, so we'll see
what goes on with that. The other piece of news
that is rising to a fever pitch in Washington just
this hour is the likelihood that the President would fire
(05:15):
FED Chair Jerome Powell. Now, he said today President Trump
did it was highly unlikely he would fire Jerome.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Perrell Powell as Chair of the FED Reserve.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
But twenty four hours ago, he told a room full
of Republican lawmakers that he was considering to do so.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
So a reporter asked, are you going to do this?
Speaker 1 (05:39):
You told this room full of Republican lawmakers this was
the plan, and he said, no, we're not planning on
doing anything. I don't rule out anything, he said, but
I think it's highly unlikely unless he has to leave
for fraud. Okay, well, that's his whole bugaboo about Jerome
Powell's management of a FED renovation project that the White
House had recently flowed as a pretext for getting rid
(06:02):
of him.
Speaker 7 (06:05):
Now.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Representative Anna Paulina Luna, Republican out of Florida, posted on
x last night that Powell's firing was imminent, which prompted
to sell off in stock futures before the market opened.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Today.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Right now Nasdaq is up and up about ten points
s and P five hundred up about nine as well.
So they were in the red a little bit earlier.
So maybe the President coming out and saying it's not likely,
maybe that's kind of calming things down just a bit.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
The dow up one twenty four.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
And then you're hearing from some of the business community,
with the chair of Goldman Sachs saying we'd like to
let's see, here's this direct quote. Fed independence is something
that's very important, important and we should fight to preserve.
Jamie Diamond, head of JP Morgan Chase, offered similar, if
(06:58):
more forthright comment Terry on the topic as well. So
business leaders have been hesitant to weigh in on any
sort of criticism over Jerme Powell. This is also not
going to make the Ebstein mascow away either. That seems
to be at the forefront of what they're dealing with
there at the White House. All right, when we come
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have a new father in Hollywood. Any guesses m Justin
Bieber he already has a kid. This is somebody who
has not yet had a kid. His name is Pete Davidson. Yes,
(09:13):
Pete Davidson. Gearing up for fatherhood. TMZ has learned he's
expecting his first child with girlfriend Elsie Hewitt. She is
due this winter and the couple just started telling friends
and family. They could not be more excited. Who is
Who is Peter and Elsie? Pete and Elsie? Excuse me first?
(09:34):
Where linked? In March took their relationship to the next
level quickly, I'd say they were officially moving in together
by May.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Who is she? Who is she? Is she a famous person?
I don't know?
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Oh good, I'm so glad because I mean, I don't
keep up.
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I don't keep up.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
We're also going to hear a lot more about this
double murder in Encino.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
We touched on it in the last hour.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
This is this American Idol executive and her husband who
were shot and killed in their home and Encino, and
reports are that they were really worried about crime in
the area and neighbors included that they had a neighborhood
watched circle going on, that this was a home where
(10:34):
the cops were called out back in May because there
may have been as many as five trespassers. That after that,
this American Idol executive got serious about hiring private security.
It seemed to be a concern of theirs. And it
looks like this guy who broke into their home or
was able to gain access into their home via an
(10:57):
unlocked door, that they came home, the executive and her
husband came home to find him there and he shoots
and kills them. There's a report that, you know, the
cops were called out, but they found nothing in their investigation,
and the bodies weren't found until Monday. Apparently they were
(11:18):
shot and killed last week and then Monday the bodies
were found. New pictures are pretty wild of the suspect
being arrested with more than a dozen cops surrounding him.
Quite quite the presence there when he was taken into
custody yesterday. He's twenty two. His name is Raymond Bouderian,
(11:43):
and the pictures show him standing in front of a
row of garages as a residential complex and like I said,
numerous cops surrounding him. He's got no shirt on as
hands are cuffed behind his back and let's see his face.
I don't know if this is nearby or what have you.
(12:05):
But they did find fingerprints at the home of the
house of Robin k that's the AI executive and her husband,
Thomas de Luca, that matched this suspect. That's what led
them to arrest him. He does have a past. He's
been arrested for three different criminal battery cases, so his
fingerprints are on file, which is how they were able
(12:26):
to figure out the identity. They also use surveillance footage,
which is everywhere these days. Thankfully, doesn't do this couple
any good being murdered, but yeah, they say he's believed
to have entered their home last Thursday afternoon through an
unlocked door. They walk into the house in the midst
of what appeared to be a burglary, there was a
(12:47):
confrontation and both were shot multiple times. Officers finally connected
a welfare check at the house on Monday afternoon and
they found blood outside.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
So they went into the house and found the two
dead bodies.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Okay, okay, So here's the thing I'm wondering about the
connection between this twenty two year old and the couple
he murdered. There doesn't appear to be a connection, sources
say to the investigation. But they live close by. Their
homes are in relatively close proximity, about ten minutes door
(13:23):
to door. And again, this neighborhood in Encino had really
been had really been the target of a lot of
these break ins in recent months. I don't know if
people know where the good pickings are when it comes
to nice neighborhoods.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
That I mean.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Isn't most of Msino is gated, isn't it? But a
lot of questions going on around here. Crime is significantly
down across LA but there have been a series of
deadly burglaries inside San Fernando Valley homes. The La Times
(14:03):
brings up the story about the Valley village murder remember this,
This had everybody on edge. Two A body found in
April twenty six inside his fifth floor Valley Village apartment
after someone broke into a neighboring unit, jumped from the
balcony to his unit and attacked him. Three days before
(14:23):
that one, neighbors had called nine to one one reported
hearing shouting in a struggle coming from the apartment. Officers
responded to those calls, knocked on the door, and left
without finding anything. Twenty seven year old Eric Eskamia eventually
charged with the the killing, along with an unrelated murder
from twenty twenty two. But the same time that that
(14:45):
body was found, police discover the body of another guy
beaten to death inside his Woodland Hills home. In that case,
a woman called LAPD about three people that had broken
in the home or beating her significant other before the
call was kindly cut out nine one one operator tried
to call back multiple times without success. Officers arrive at
(15:06):
the home, no one answers the door, and his body
was later found by officers, badly beaten, traumatic brain injury.
Died from his from his injuries. But the thing about
all of these is appeared to be random. You know,
(15:27):
even if this guy lives nearby, you know, did he
have some sort of some sort of beef with them.
His history is alleged, let's see here, I'm not alleged.
Charges of battery, exhibiting a deadly weapon, threatening to commit
a crime with an intent to terrorize. Charges were later dismissed.
Who dismisses those unless it's family or something like that. Ah,
(15:49):
charges were later dismissed after hearings related to a conservatorship.
So maybe it was family related. Maybe he is in
a conservatorship by somebody and his family. But it's scary,
scary out there with these home invasions. And I think
also the police are going to have to ask some
question answer some questions about the call.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Even though what's done was done.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
It seems like on Thursday that they were called out
there on Thursday and didn't find anything, and then called
out again on Monday to find the bodies. I mean,
if you're dealing with someone who's in some sort of
mental health episode and he's killed these two people, you're
called out, you don't find anything, and then he's just
still free to do whatever other sort of crazy stuff
(16:36):
appeals to him.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
That's going to be a question as well.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
We're not done here and about this case, I would argue,
all right, Coming up next, we get to lighten it up,
parenting nice and light and easy.
Speaker 7 (16:49):
Right.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Justin Worship, host of the Dad Podcast, will join us.
We'll be talking about research that suggests raising girls is
more stressful than raising boys. Maybe because girls ask more
questions boys they like to play right, Maybe, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
We'll find out. That's what Justin's here for.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Also, he says that we've got some research that suggest
to stop helicopter parenting and start panda parenting.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
What is panda parenting? We'll get into that as well.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
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Speaker 1 (17:26):
I've been looking, and I say, I've been waiting all
night for Monday night, all right, or Sunday night whatever
the football song Sunday night. I've been waiting all night
for Justin Worsham to get here. Oh well, because I
didn't get to wait either way, it is over. I
didn't get to see you last week. I feel like
I haven't seen you forever. Yeah, and I've missed you,
and I'm glad that you are here.
Speaker 6 (17:46):
Me I'm glad to be here. It's good to see
your face as well and laugh with you.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
My friend, Justin Worsham is host of the Dad podcast.
He joins us to talk all things parenting all of
the time.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
He's a very busy man, so you are.
Speaker 6 (18:00):
I was also thinking that how uncomfortable upper management was
with us complimenting each other.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (18:05):
I think we may have talked about this, but for
whatever reason, people in radio don't seem comfortable with saying
nice things about other people for some reason that I
don't have really think that.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Yeah, I don't know this because it's so rare that
I say nice things.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
In that vein. Yeah, in that vein. I walked in
this morning and Handle gave me a compliment.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Oh god, I was speechless. I was like, what he
was sincere? Really he didn't look fever contact, eye contact who.
It was like he meant it and I still am frazzled. Yeah,
so that was like me saying something nice. So I
get how that would be. Maybe that's what it is.
(18:47):
Maybe I can't hold on to that goodwill. I've got
to get get it out. Okay, So Justin. Research suggests
that raising girls is more stressful than raising boys.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
You have two.
Speaker 6 (19:04):
Boys, so I don't really have, unfortunately perspective on this,
but here's I do. One of my favorite things that
was ever told to me was this is I'm going
to do a little name dropping. Tom Wilson, who is
a comedian but many of you know him as Biff
from Back to the Future. Which don't get me wrong,
he doesn't hate it, but he probably doesn't love the
idea that that's what everybody come up to. Imagine spending
(19:25):
most of your adult life going hy butthead people, that's
what they see all the time. But anyway, he talked
to he has four daughters and he was on my
podcast and he said that raising daughters because I asked
him and I said, is it just about like the
dating thing? And he's like, no, every day is verbal
jiu jitsu, like you're just constantly And I don't know
if he's just saying this as a you know, just
a guy in general that I can't speak to. But
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what they did was they actually tracked cortisol levels, which
is the hormone that we used to assess stress levels,
and they measured them in moms who have daughters and
moms who have sons and the moms who have daughters
have much higher levels of court.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Well that goes into that mother daughter relationship versus the
mother son relationships, and it is everybody knows this, this
is breaking news to nobody. But it's going to be
more stressful to have a daughter as a woman, you know, so,
I mean so, But for fathers, they found that as well,
that it's higher stressed for daughters aside from the dating thing.
Speaker 6 (20:23):
No, so for fathers, they actually dads have more concern
when they have a daughter versus the son. I tried
to find research that they never measured the dad's cortisol levels,
because what would be an interesting bit of research would
to say, like also for dads, they like they experienced
the same thing is that if they have a son,
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then then it's like it's really just about if your
gender like or whatever, when you're raising that child, then
that makes it more stressful.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Because I don't know from.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
What I hear from people dads who have daughters, it
seems like they're worried about dating and when the daughter
becomes like gets into adolescents more than they're worried with
they're little.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
But I don't.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
I don't spend a lot of time worrying about my
sons or stressed out about my sons.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
I don't think. No, I spend a lot I spent.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
Let me say this, I spend more time being worried
or stressful that I'm being a good father than I
do worry about my kids, my two sons in particular,
right Like, I worry more that I'm failing them than
I worry about them as people.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
They're both good dudes, like they're solid people.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
So far, then that's good. That's all I that's all
you ask for.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
And so I don't. I'm just trying to think.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Sometimes fathers at least look like with my family, I think, uh,
you know, I think fathers have a soft spot for
their daughter. Yes, and they're harder on their sons.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
And I don't know if that changes if you have
a daughter and a son, or if you have two sons,
or what have you. If dads are harder on their
sons in that situation or what have you. But mothers,
and in the same vein, mothers have a soft spot
for their sons. You cannot tell a mother that her
son has done anything wrong, ever.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
And I get it.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
I feel like this with my nephews and I'm not
their parents, the parents.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Did you see this because you grew up with a brother, I'll.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Tell you I have a recent example of this.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Oh we're at my mom's house, my brother and I
and we're in the backyard and he's drinking a beer.
And before he got there, though, he my mom says
she had potted plants, new potted plants. Oh, Shannon, I
was really hoping that this this plant would bloom by
the time that you got here.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
It's such a beautiful flower. It's such a.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Beautiful but they haven't bloomed yet. And oh, I just
can't wait. They're so beautiful. And I was like, oh, yeah,
it'll be nice. Andy comes, My brother comes in. He's
drinking a beer and he is finishing the beer but hasn't.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Completely finished it. Oh, this is getting warm, takes the beer,
pours it into.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
The pot of the plant, of the plant that she
was just like, you know, hoping it would.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Bloom, so hoping.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
He loves this flower.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
An ipa is a solid fertilizer.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
And I go Andy, and she's like no, you know, oh, Andy,
And I'm like, what the app I'm like, if I
did that, your ass would haul me up to the
top of the roof.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
And toss me off this house. There's no question.
Speaker 6 (23:12):
There's no question.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
And then my mom says to me, Oh, Shannon, don't
be mean. It's your birthday. And I'm like, okay, al right, Like, oh,
it's hilarious.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
But it's so funny, it's your birthday.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Don't root it.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Brothers beer in.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
My prize playing.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
It was so funny when he becomes less of the focus.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
This is not easy on him.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
It was the funniest example of that that I've seen
in a while.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
And Sharon, it has to be true because.
Speaker 6 (23:48):
There's a great sketch that Heidi Gardner plays a character
where she talks about how like she makes these comments
about how bad and annoying her daughters are, but she's like,
but my son, and it's always like, he's so funny.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
He stole ten thousand dollars for me. It was hilarious.
He's so adorable exactly.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
So it's comical. I mean, as a daughter, like, you
have to look at it like that, you know, you
have to look at it.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
I was always worried because there was a there was
about a five minute period where I thought my second
son was actually going to be my daughter, because in
the ultrasound they were like, I think it's a girl,
and so he had like the umbilical cord tuck between
his legs and he wasn't moving, and so they just assumed,
which was great for my wife's emotions, by the way,
But anyway, I when.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
She found out it.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Was a boy, yeah, because she.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
Got excited about a girl and then now she's having
another boy, and she just I saw, she just lowered
her chin. We almost had three kids just because of that.
Like so, but I just remember in that time thinking like,
I have to be careful not to ruin this poor
little girl's life because I was worried I would be, Oh,
it's I come in here all the time and talk
to you guys.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Like.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
I don't think I'm an overprotective father at all. It
could be argued I'm over involved, invested maybe, but not protective.
But I think I would be if I had a daughter.
I think even when she's little, regardless of the.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Dating, I think he should be right.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
Yeah, it seems to be working pretty good so far,
but over protecting in general is not like we're going
to talk about next that's not going to help out
to helicopter your kids. So well, you will do that.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
I can't wait to find out what pan the parenting
don't tick anybody?
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Well, I'll explain it.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
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Speaker 2 (25:27):
Oh damn. Mother in law's are the best.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
She didn't say that in front of you, though, Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Right to me.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
Oh oh no, you're right. I apologize. She said it
to Natalie in private at least. But there were other things,
like there's a oh, he's going to be so mad
I'm telling the story. But upstairs there's a friend of mine,
Chris Booker. Uh, he does the drive time.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
I love him.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
He's great. He's he's the guy who got me into
radio to begin I didn't know that. Yeah, he mentored
me and he's a really cool dude. Well, he came
we used to do a podcast because he's like we're
close in age, but he's been single his entire life,
doesn't want to have a kid, right, and I've got
married right out of high school and all that, and
so he came by my house to do our podcast
and my mother in law saw him and she could
not stop talking to my wife about how handsome he was. Yeah,
(26:09):
like right in front of me. It's like basically pitching him.
And he drove like a land Rover or something.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
He's kind of like a version of you that's like
single you.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
Yeah, I'm glad you said that because the whole time
we were doing the show.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
But he drives a jeep, which is cool.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yes, And everything about him is cool.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
He's handsome, it's very cool.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
He's he's like.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
You're like Dad, You're like Dad, and he's like cool.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
He's cool funny, which is super annoying because I could
never do that. I could never be cool funny. But
I crushed him in Goofy Funny. I crushed him in
Dad Funny. But he's everything about him. In fact, one
times on one of his piece of advice, when I
was trying to get on the air, he was like, well,
just gotta be cool, and you could tell he said
that as a guy who's just used to be his
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entire life, he doesn't even have to try, which also
makes you like him even more.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
He's extremely likable and a really nice guy.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
This is a very black Swan white Swan on the situation.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Again, I always thought, I'm like, he's like the.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
Multiverse of me and you're Melis.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
It's who I would want to be, right, you're the
Natalie Porter, which isn't a bad way.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
To No, it's not bad. It's just not cool. Blacks one.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Helicopter parenting.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Would love that.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Okay, yes, what is uh we know helicopter parenting. It's
where you're hovering and you're doing things for your kids
in this whole bit and panna parenting.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
What is that?
Speaker 6 (27:34):
I've combed around trying to fight because normally when they
throw out these like coined parenting style phrases they have,
they try.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
To Now there's so many of them, they're just stopping.
Speaker 6 (27:44):
They're just naming it and not explaining what pandas have
to do. So here's my guess is that it's chill
like you when you think of a panda. They just
kind of chill and hang out and they're not They
don't you don't see an anxious thing.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
They're cuddly, although they don't really like.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
To it together and mate, you remember when that was
a thing, like they couldn't get them to make more
pandas they seem to be like the most animals, lazub
you know, something to get him going. But it really
what it is is it's about letting your kids do
their own thing, like figure their own stuff out, which
I think would be any form of bear or animal
(28:19):
in the animal kingdom. Very few of them spend time
teaching anything but that. It's and it comes from this.
I can't pronounce this name correctly. It's well Jicky.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
I want to say.
Speaker 6 (28:30):
This woman is known as the godmother of ceo or
the mother of CEOs, because her two or three daughters
were all CEOs of like Silicon Valley companies.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
At one point twenty three meters she but that was
her point.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
She wasn't a tiger mom in the sense that she
had a lot of expectations. She was a pandom mom,
so she provided guidance right and bamboo, tons of bamboo.
That was my remember Jerry McGuire where he says, like
the human head weighs eight pounds or whatever.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
And all that stuff.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
My son's version of that is he used to constantly
talk about how much bamboo a panda eight in a
day because he did a book report on.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
It in like second grade. He's adorable. He's adorable anyway.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
How much bamboo?
Speaker 2 (29:10):
I think it was nine pounds, which but I think
it's because it's the head thing. I don't know.
Speaker 6 (29:14):
I'm gonna look it up. I'm gonna do that while
we're talking about this. But the she said, I want
to go back to this one little tip because I like,
she goes. I came up with a useful acronym for
panda parenting, and it's trick. So the T stands for trust,
the R stands for respect, the I stands for independence,
C for collaboration, and K for kindness. But really what
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we're talking about is the authoritarian parenting, which is the
good version. It's authoritative and authoritarian. And I might be
getting those big stuff because I don't know why they're
so close. There's one where it's like I'm a tyrant
and I rule, which is probably like a tiger mom,
and then the other one is more like panda parenting,
where it's like I'm talking to you. This is a communication,
but I'm not here to guide you through every aspect
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of your life.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
I struggle with the tr the trust, and the respec.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yeah, that has to be earned.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
It does. I mean, I'm guessing.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
If you started off young, you start building the relationship
and your child understanding that trust and respect her an
important thing, and I will trust you and respect me.
But it's a hard thing to wrap your head around
as a child. I know it's showing, not telling, but still,
what if your kid You can't trust your kid?
Speaker 4 (30:21):
They don't they're doing not.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
What I also appreciate, which very rarely comes up in
these parenting articles, is that at the end she also
circles back and says, just so we're clear, Panda parenting
is not good for kids who are saying neurodivergent or
if they're struggling psychologically in any way. That doesn't mean like, oh,
let they'll fink out.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
It's like, nice, I'm glad this Panama had the perfect kids,
so you can trust and respect it. You know, it's
eight years old. Most kids need to be slapped around
a little little.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Bit at least verfectly. I think we all could agree
on that.
Speaker 6 (30:51):
While you were gone mode and I talked about how
he thinks kids should get hit, hit like physically hit.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Oh we've done that.
Speaker 6 (30:56):
Oh my twenty six and eighty four pounds of bamboo
a day.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
That a giant panda.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
Holy hell, twenty six to eighty four pounds a day?
Speaker 1 (31:04):
So much does a giant pandaway?
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Okay, so a female one hundred and fifty to two
hundred and eighty pounds, so I guess I would make.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
No, that's more. That's like a third. That's a third.
Speaker 7 (31:21):
Lot.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
That's a lot. How many? How much do you weigh?
Speaker 2 (31:23):
I weigh two ten right now?
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Okay, two tens. You're like a big female panda.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
So how many pounds?
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Best couple that I've gotten? How many the last ten minutes?
Speaker 4 (31:36):
How many pounds of food do you eat?
Speaker 2 (31:38):
I don't know. Why would I know that? Do you
know how much you well?
Speaker 1 (31:41):
I mean I've weighed meat before I worked at the deli,
you know, I know I probably.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
I wish everybody could see her hands.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
She's got a hand like making a scale, Like, yeah,
that would be the best deli to go to get
a ham sandwich. By the way, you can feel it,
This feels like a good sixteen weigh meat.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Everyone knows what I'm doing, and they.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Can probably isn't open today?
Speaker 4 (32:03):
You can feel it's not.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
It's not out of business because you've bankrupted it.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Justin thank you. You're such a wonderful big female panda.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Oh great, now I have to go dump this kind
of someplace else.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Thank you, I appreciate it. That was so much fun.
You made my day good. We all talk trending when
we come back.
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on the iHeartRadio app. Speaker Mike Johnson calling for all
credible information on Epstein to be publicly releasing. His previous
comments were misquoted and misrepresented, so he is coming down
on the side of release the information. I guess that
(00:25):
the caveat is that they keep when I say they,
he and President Trump are saying credible information. Trump did
say that his Attorney General, Pam BONDI should release relevant
I believe or credible information as well. I guess that's
up for debate what's credible and what is not. Firestorm
continuing there. That's where we kick off swamp Watch.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I'm a politician, which means I'm a cheat and a liar,
and when I'm not kissing babies, I'm stealing their volley pops.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yeah, we got the real problem is that our leaders
are dumb.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
The other side never quits, so what I'm not going anywhere?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
So now the.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Squad, I can imagine what can be and be unburdened
by what has been.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
You know, Murvans have always been going as they're not stupid.
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A political plunder is when a politician actually tells the truth.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Why have the people voted for you with not SAP watch.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
They're all counternoed.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
So this Epstein fervor that got renewed excitement over the
weekend at the turning point Maga gen Z conference is continuing,
and now it is erupting in.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
The halls of Washington.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Like I said, Mike Johnson was just asked about it
by a.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Scrum of reporters.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
And now a leading Republican critic of Trump has begun
a long shot effort to force a vote on whether
the administration should release files related to the case of
Jeffrey Epstein, deepening this Republican rift. It's pretty foundational to
the mag of movement, isn't it bring in somebody who's
(02:00):
anti government to unearth or unveil all the corruption that
has gone on at the hands of the political elite. Now,
when you look at the Magabase, you're thinking, Okay, these
are people that have been clamoring to get all the
information about the Clintons and the Obama's out that they
think has been hidden for decades, and now you've got Trump.
(02:23):
That doesn't seem excited to do so. Kind of ran
on the same vibe Pam Bondi when she took over
an attorney general in February, same vibe there. They seemed
excited to be able to release all this Epstein information,
and the fact that they haven't is.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Not going over well.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Donald Trump, addressing the issue in the Oval Office today,
firing back at the backlash, he said that the inquiry
into Epstein is boring and of interest only to bad people.
He did say, and here's that word again, and that
he backed the release of any credible files. Trying to
(03:04):
stamp out this conspiracy among his supporters. He went on
this great, greatly long truth social post today about it,
sounding the angriest as he ever has. But last night
he told reporters, I don't understand why the Jeffrey Epstein
case would be of any interest to anybody.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
It's pretty boring stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
It's sordid, but it's boring, and I don't understand why
it keeps going, he said. I think only really bad people,
pretty bad people, excuse me, including fake news, want to
keep something like that going. But the only reason we're
talking about it is because what happened at turning point
USA over the weekend.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
This was something that I thought was buried.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
I had no idea that this was alive and well.
And then I hear all the booze at the Turning
Point conference, which was looked like a lot of fun
by the way, the pictures look great. Everyone's having a
good time, and then this issue arises and a sea
of booze throughout the crowd. And then you start digging
around on social media and you get into the algorithms
of all the people that say that this remains a
(04:08):
massive cover up. We sent this guy in there to
be transparent and let us know exactly who they've been
protecting here, so we'll see what goes on about that.
They are considering a number of options at the White
House as they try to circle the wagons and figure
this thing out. A special prosecutor has been talked about.
(04:31):
And it's not just people on Twitter and conspiracy theorists
and crazy people that are talking about this. It's a
lot of Trump's biggest fans, surrogates in his inner circle.
It is you know, Marjorie Taylor Green, It's Steve Bannon,
it's Making Kelly on her podcast. It's Dan Bongino, who's
(04:52):
squared off and shouting matches with Pam Bondi over this.
There's people in his inner circle here, so we'll see
what goes on with that. The other piece of news
that is rising to a fever pitch in Washington just
this hour is the likelihood that the President would fire
(05:15):
FED Chair Jerome Powell. Now, he said today President Trump
did it was highly unlikely he would fire Jerome.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Perrell Powell as Chair of the FED Reserve.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
But twenty four hours ago, he told a room full
of Republican lawmakers that he was considering to do so.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
So a reporter asked, are you going to do this?
Speaker 1 (05:39):
You told this room full of Republican lawmakers this was
the plan, and he said, no, we're not planning on
doing anything. I don't rule out anything, he said, but
I think it's highly unlikely unless he has to leave
for fraud. Okay, well, that's his whole bugaboo about Jerome
Powell's management of a FED renovation project that the White
House had recently flowed as a pretext for getting rid
(06:02):
of him.
Speaker 7 (06:05):
Now.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Representative Anna Paulina Luna, Republican out of Florida, posted on
x last night that Powell's firing was imminent, which prompted
to sell off in stock futures before the market opened.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Today.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Right now Nasdaq is up and up about ten points
s and P five hundred up about nine as well.
So they were in the red a little bit earlier.
So maybe the President coming out and saying it's not likely,
maybe that's kind of calming things down just a bit.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
The dow up one twenty four.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
And then you're hearing from some of the business community,
with the chair of Goldman Sachs saying we'd like to
let's see, here's this direct quote. Fed independence is something
that's very important, important and we should fight to preserve.
Jamie Diamond, head of JP Morgan Chase, offered similar, if
(06:58):
more forthright comment Terry on the topic as well. So
business leaders have been hesitant to weigh in on any
sort of criticism over Jerme Powell. This is also not
going to make the Ebstein mascow away either. That seems
to be at the forefront of what they're dealing with
there at the White House. All right, when we come
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have a new father in Hollywood. Any guesses m Justin
Bieber he already has a kid. This is somebody who
has not yet had a kid. His name is Pete Davidson. Yes,
(09:13):
Pete Davidson. Gearing up for fatherhood. TMZ has learned he's
expecting his first child with girlfriend Elsie Hewitt. She is
due this winter and the couple just started telling friends
and family. They could not be more excited. Who is
Who is Peter and Elsie? Pete and Elsie? Excuse me first?
(09:34):
Where linked? In March took their relationship to the next
level quickly, I'd say they were officially moving in together
by May.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Who is she? Who is she? Is she a famous person?
I don't know?
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Oh good, I'm so glad because I mean, I don't
keep up.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
I don't keep up.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
We're also going to hear a lot more about this
double murder in Encino.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
We touched on it in the last hour.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
This is this American Idol executive and her husband who
were shot and killed in their home and Encino, and
reports are that they were really worried about crime in
the area and neighbors included that they had a neighborhood
watched circle going on, that this was a home where
(10:34):
the cops were called out back in May because there
may have been as many as five trespassers. That after that,
this American Idol executive got serious about hiring private security.
It seemed to be a concern of theirs. And it
looks like this guy who broke into their home or
was able to gain access into their home via an
(10:57):
unlocked door, that they came home, the executive and her
husband came home to find him there and he shoots
and kills them. There's a report that, you know, the
cops were called out, but they found nothing in their investigation,
and the bodies weren't found until Monday. Apparently they were
(11:18):
shot and killed last week and then Monday the bodies
were found. New pictures are pretty wild of the suspect
being arrested with more than a dozen cops surrounding him.
Quite quite the presence there when he was taken into
custody yesterday. He's twenty two. His name is Raymond Bouderian,
(11:43):
and the pictures show him standing in front of a
row of garages as a residential complex and like I said,
numerous cops surrounding him. He's got no shirt on as
hands are cuffed behind his back and let's see his face.
I don't know if this is nearby or what have you.
(12:05):
But they did find fingerprints at the home of the
house of Robin k that's the AI executive and her husband,
Thomas de Luca, that matched this suspect. That's what led
them to arrest him. He does have a past. He's
been arrested for three different criminal battery cases, so his
fingerprints are on file, which is how they were able
(12:26):
to figure out the identity. They also use surveillance footage,
which is everywhere these days. Thankfully, doesn't do this couple
any good being murdered, but yeah, they say he's believed
to have entered their home last Thursday afternoon through an
unlocked door. They walk into the house in the midst
of what appeared to be a burglary, there was a
(12:47):
confrontation and both were shot multiple times. Officers finally connected
a welfare check at the house on Monday afternoon and
they found blood outside.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
So they went into the house and found the two
dead bodies.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Okay, okay, So here's the thing I'm wondering about the
connection between this twenty two year old and the couple
he murdered. There doesn't appear to be a connection, sources
say to the investigation. But they live close by. Their
homes are in relatively close proximity, about ten minutes door
(13:23):
to door. And again, this neighborhood in Encino had really
been had really been the target of a lot of
these break ins in recent months. I don't know if
people know where the good pickings are when it comes
to nice neighborhoods.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
That I mean.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Isn't most of Msino is gated, isn't it? But a
lot of questions going on around here. Crime is significantly
down across LA but there have been a series of
deadly burglaries inside San Fernando Valley homes. The La Times
(14:03):
brings up the story about the Valley village murder remember this,
This had everybody on edge. Two A body found in
April twenty six inside his fifth floor Valley Village apartment
after someone broke into a neighboring unit, jumped from the
balcony to his unit and attacked him. Three days before
(14:23):
that one, neighbors had called nine to one one reported
hearing shouting in a struggle coming from the apartment. Officers
responded to those calls, knocked on the door, and left
without finding anything. Twenty seven year old Eric Eskamia eventually
charged with the the killing, along with an unrelated murder
from twenty twenty two. But the same time that that
(14:45):
body was found, police discover the body of another guy
beaten to death inside his Woodland Hills home. In that case,
a woman called LAPD about three people that had broken
in the home or beating her significant other before the
call was kindly cut out nine one one operator tried
to call back multiple times without success. Officers arrive at
(15:06):
the home, no one answers the door, and his body
was later found by officers, badly beaten, traumatic brain injury.
Died from his from his injuries. But the thing about
all of these is appeared to be random. You know,
(15:27):
even if this guy lives nearby, you know, did he
have some sort of some sort of beef with them.
His history is alleged, let's see here, I'm not alleged.
Charges of battery, exhibiting a deadly weapon, threatening to commit
a crime with an intent to terrorize. Charges were later dismissed.
Who dismisses those unless it's family or something like that. Ah,
(15:49):
charges were later dismissed after hearings related to a conservatorship.
So maybe it was family related. Maybe he is in
a conservatorship by somebody and his family. But it's scary,
scary out there with these home invasions. And I think
also the police are going to have to ask some
question answer some questions about the call.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Even though what's done was done.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
It seems like on Thursday that they were called out
there on Thursday and didn't find anything, and then called
out again on Monday to find the bodies. I mean,
if you're dealing with someone who's in some sort of
mental health episode and he's killed these two people, you're
called out, you don't find anything, and then he's just
still free to do whatever other sort of crazy stuff
(16:36):
appeals to him.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
That's going to be a question as well.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
We're not done here and about this case, I would argue,
all right, Coming up next, we get to lighten it up,
parenting nice and light and easy.
Speaker 7 (16:49):
Right.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Justin Worship, host of the Dad Podcast, will join us.
We'll be talking about research that suggests raising girls is
more stressful than raising boys. Maybe because girls ask more
questions boys they like to play right, Maybe, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
We'll find out. That's what Justin's here for.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Also, he says that we've got some research that suggest
to stop helicopter parenting and start panda parenting.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
What is panda parenting? We'll get into that as well.
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I've been looking, and I say, I've been waiting all
night for Monday night, all right, or Sunday night whatever
the football song Sunday night. I've been waiting all night
for Justin Worsham to get here. Oh well, because I
didn't get to wait either way, it is over. I
didn't get to see you last week. I feel like
I haven't seen you forever. Yeah, and I've missed you,
and I'm glad that you are here.
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Me I'm glad to be here. It's good to see
your face as well and laugh with you.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
My friend, Justin Worsham is host of the Dad podcast.
He joins us to talk all things parenting all of
the time.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
He's a very busy man, so you are.
Speaker 6 (18:00):
I was also thinking that how uncomfortable upper management was
with us complimenting each other.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (18:05):
I think we may have talked about this, but for
whatever reason, people in radio don't seem comfortable with saying
nice things about other people for some reason that I
don't have really think that.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Yeah, I don't know this because it's so rare that
I say nice things.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
In that vein. Yeah, in that vein. I walked in
this morning and Handle gave me a compliment.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Oh god, I was speechless. I was like, what he
was sincere? Really he didn't look fever contact, eye contact who.
It was like he meant it and I still am frazzled. Yeah,
so that was like me saying something nice. So I
get how that would be. Maybe that's what it is.
(18:47):
Maybe I can't hold on to that goodwill. I've got
to get get it out. Okay, So Justin. Research suggests
that raising girls is more stressful than raising boys.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
You have two.
Speaker 6 (19:04):
Boys, so I don't really have, unfortunately perspective on this,
but here's I do. One of my favorite things that
was ever told to me was this is I'm going
to do a little name dropping. Tom Wilson, who is
a comedian but many of you know him as Biff
from Back to the Future. Which don't get me wrong,
he doesn't hate it, but he probably doesn't love the
idea that that's what everybody come up to. Imagine spending
(19:25):
most of your adult life going hy butthead people, that's
what they see all the time. But anyway, he talked
to he has four daughters and he was on my
podcast and he said that raising daughters because I asked
him and I said, is it just about like the
dating thing? And he's like, no, every day is verbal
jiu jitsu, like you're just constantly And I don't know
if he's just saying this as a you know, just
a guy in general that I can't speak to. But
(19:47):
what they did was they actually tracked cortisol levels, which
is the hormone that we used to assess stress levels,
and they measured them in moms who have daughters and
moms who have sons and the moms who have daughters
have much higher levels of court.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Well that goes into that mother daughter relationship versus the
mother son relationships, and it is everybody knows this, this
is breaking news to nobody. But it's going to be
more stressful to have a daughter as a woman, you know, so,
I mean so, But for fathers, they found that as well,
that it's higher stressed for daughters aside from the dating thing.
Speaker 6 (20:23):
No, so for fathers, they actually dads have more concern
when they have a daughter versus the son. I tried
to find research that they never measured the dad's cortisol levels,
because what would be an interesting bit of research would
to say, like also for dads, they like they experienced
the same thing is that if they have a son,
(20:44):
then then it's like it's really just about if your
gender like or whatever, when you're raising that child, then
that makes it more stressful.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Because I don't know from.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
What I hear from people dads who have daughters, it
seems like they're worried about dating and when the daughter
becomes like gets into adolescents more than they're worried with
they're little.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
But I don't.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
I don't spend a lot of time worrying about my
sons or stressed out about my sons.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
I don't think. No, I spend a lot I spent.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
Let me say this, I spend more time being worried
or stressful that I'm being a good father than I
do worry about my kids, my two sons in particular,
right Like, I worry more that I'm failing them than
I worry about them as people.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
They're both good dudes, like they're solid people.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
So far, then that's good. That's all I that's all
you ask for.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
And so I don't. I'm just trying to think.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Sometimes fathers at least look like with my family, I think, uh,
you know, I think fathers have a soft spot for
their daughter. Yes, and they're harder on their sons.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
And I don't know if that changes if you have
a daughter and a son, or if you have two sons,
or what have you. If dads are harder on their
sons in that situation or what have you. But mothers,
and in the same vein, mothers have a soft spot
for their sons. You cannot tell a mother that her
son has done anything wrong, ever.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
And I get it.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
I feel like this with my nephews and I'm not
their parents, the parents.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Did you see this because you grew up with a brother, I'll.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Tell you I have a recent example of this.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Oh we're at my mom's house, my brother and I
and we're in the backyard and he's drinking a beer.
And before he got there, though, he my mom says
she had potted plants, new potted plants. Oh, Shannon, I
was really hoping that this this plant would bloom by
the time that you got here.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
It's such a beautiful flower. It's such a.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Beautiful but they haven't bloomed yet. And oh, I just
can't wait. They're so beautiful. And I was like, oh, yeah,
it'll be nice. Andy comes, My brother comes in. He's
drinking a beer and he is finishing the beer but hasn't.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Completely finished it. Oh, this is getting warm, takes the beer,
pours it into.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
The pot of the plant, of the plant that she
was just like, you know, hoping it would.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Bloom, so hoping.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
He loves this flower.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
An ipa is a solid fertilizer.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
And I go Andy, and she's like no, you know, oh, Andy,
And I'm like, what the app I'm like, if I
did that, your ass would haul me up to the
top of the roof.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
And toss me off this house. There's no question.
Speaker 6 (23:12):
There's no question.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
And then my mom says to me, Oh, Shannon, don't
be mean. It's your birthday. And I'm like, okay, al right, Like, oh,
it's hilarious.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
But it's so funny, it's your birthday.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Don't root it.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Brothers beer in.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
My prize playing.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
It was so funny when he becomes less of the focus.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
This is not easy on him.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
It was the funniest example of that that I've seen
in a while.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
And Sharon, it has to be true because.
Speaker 6 (23:48):
There's a great sketch that Heidi Gardner plays a character
where she talks about how like she makes these comments
about how bad and annoying her daughters are, but she's like,
but my son, and it's always like, he's so funny.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
He stole ten thousand dollars for me. It was hilarious.
He's so adorable exactly.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
So it's comical. I mean, as a daughter, like, you
have to look at it like that, you know, you
have to look at it.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
I was always worried because there was a there was
about a five minute period where I thought my second
son was actually going to be my daughter, because in
the ultrasound they were like, I think it's a girl,
and so he had like the umbilical cord tuck between
his legs and he wasn't moving, and so they just assumed,
which was great for my wife's emotions, by the way,
But anyway, I when.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
She found out it.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Was a boy, yeah, because she.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
Got excited about a girl and then now she's having
another boy, and she just I saw, she just lowered
her chin. We almost had three kids just because of that.
Like so, but I just remember in that time thinking like,
I have to be careful not to ruin this poor
little girl's life because I was worried I would be, Oh,
it's I come in here all the time and talk
to you guys.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Like.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
I don't think I'm an overprotective father at all. It
could be argued I'm over involved, invested maybe, but not protective.
But I think I would be if I had a daughter.
I think even when she's little, regardless of the.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Dating, I think he should be right.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
Yeah, it seems to be working pretty good so far,
but over protecting in general is not like we're going
to talk about next that's not going to help out
to helicopter your kids. So well, you will do that.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
I can't wait to find out what pan the parenting
don't tick anybody?
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Well, I'll explain it.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Yeah, you're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Oh damn. Mother in law's are the best.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
She didn't say that in front of you, though, Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Right to me.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
Oh oh no, you're right. I apologize. She said it
to Natalie in private at least. But there were other things,
like there's a oh, he's going to be so mad
I'm telling the story. But upstairs there's a friend of mine,
Chris Booker. Uh, he does the drive time.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
I love him.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
He's great. He's he's the guy who got me into
radio to begin I didn't know that. Yeah, he mentored
me and he's a really cool dude. Well, he came
we used to do a podcast because he's like we're
close in age, but he's been single his entire life,
doesn't want to have a kid, right, and I've got
married right out of high school and all that, and
so he came by my house to do our podcast
and my mother in law saw him and she could
not stop talking to my wife about how handsome he was. Yeah,
(26:09):
like right in front of me. It's like basically pitching him.
And he drove like a land Rover or something.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
He's kind of like a version of you that's like
single you.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
Yeah, I'm glad you said that because the whole time
we were doing the show.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
But he drives a jeep, which is cool.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yes, And everything about him is cool.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
He's handsome, it's very cool.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
He's he's like.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
You're like Dad, You're like Dad, and he's like cool.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
He's cool funny, which is super annoying because I could
never do that. I could never be cool funny. But
I crushed him in Goofy Funny. I crushed him in
Dad Funny. But he's everything about him. In fact, one
times on one of his piece of advice, when I
was trying to get on the air, he was like, well,
just gotta be cool, and you could tell he said
that as a guy who's just used to be his
(26:51):
entire life, he doesn't even have to try, which also
makes you like him even more.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
He's extremely likable and a really nice guy.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
This is a very black Swan white Swan on the situation.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Again, I always thought, I'm like, he's like the.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
Multiverse of me and you're Melis.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
It's who I would want to be, right, you're the
Natalie Porter, which isn't a bad way.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
To No, it's not bad. It's just not cool. Blacks one.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Helicopter parenting.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Would love that.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Okay, yes, what is uh we know helicopter parenting. It's
where you're hovering and you're doing things for your kids
in this whole bit and panna parenting.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
What is that?
Speaker 6 (27:34):
I've combed around trying to fight because normally when they
throw out these like coined parenting style phrases they have,
they try.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
To Now there's so many of them, they're just stopping.
Speaker 6 (27:44):
They're just naming it and not explaining what pandas have
to do. So here's my guess is that it's chill
like you when you think of a panda. They just
kind of chill and hang out and they're not They
don't you don't see an anxious thing.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
They're cuddly, although they don't really like.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
To it together and mate, you remember when that was
a thing, like they couldn't get them to make more
pandas they seem to be like the most animals, lazub
you know, something to get him going. But it really
what it is is it's about letting your kids do
their own thing, like figure their own stuff out, which
I think would be any form of bear or animal
(28:19):
in the animal kingdom. Very few of them spend time
teaching anything but that. It's and it comes from this.
I can't pronounce this name correctly. It's well Jicky.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
I want to say.
Speaker 6 (28:30):
This woman is known as the godmother of ceo or
the mother of CEOs, because her two or three daughters
were all CEOs of like Silicon Valley companies.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
At one point twenty three meters she but that was
her point.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
She wasn't a tiger mom in the sense that she
had a lot of expectations. She was a pandom mom,
so she provided guidance right and bamboo, tons of bamboo.
That was my remember Jerry McGuire where he says, like
the human head weighs eight pounds or whatever.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
And all that stuff.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
My son's version of that is he used to constantly
talk about how much bamboo a panda eight in a
day because he did a book report on.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
It in like second grade. He's adorable. He's adorable anyway.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
How much bamboo?
Speaker 2 (29:10):
I think it was nine pounds, which but I think
it's because it's the head thing. I don't know.
Speaker 6 (29:14):
I'm gonna look it up. I'm gonna do that while
we're talking about this. But the she said, I want
to go back to this one little tip because I like,
she goes. I came up with a useful acronym for
panda parenting, and it's trick. So the T stands for trust,
the R stands for respect, the I stands for independence,
C for collaboration, and K for kindness. But really what
(29:35):
we're talking about is the authoritarian parenting, which is the
good version. It's authoritative and authoritarian. And I might be
getting those big stuff because I don't know why they're
so close. There's one where it's like I'm a tyrant
and I rule, which is probably like a tiger mom,
and then the other one is more like panda parenting,
where it's like I'm talking to you. This is a communication,
but I'm not here to guide you through every aspect
(29:56):
of your life.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
I struggle with the tr the trust, and the respec.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yeah, that has to be earned.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
It does. I mean, I'm guessing.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
If you started off young, you start building the relationship
and your child understanding that trust and respect her an
important thing, and I will trust you and respect me.
But it's a hard thing to wrap your head around
as a child. I know it's showing, not telling, but still,
what if your kid You can't trust your kid?
Speaker 4 (30:21):
They don't they're doing not.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
What I also appreciate, which very rarely comes up in
these parenting articles, is that at the end she also
circles back and says, just so we're clear, Panda parenting
is not good for kids who are saying neurodivergent or
if they're struggling psychologically in any way. That doesn't mean like, oh,
let they'll fink out.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
It's like, nice, I'm glad this Panama had the perfect kids,
so you can trust and respect it. You know, it's
eight years old. Most kids need to be slapped around
a little little.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Bit at least verfectly. I think we all could agree
on that.
Speaker 6 (30:51):
While you were gone mode and I talked about how
he thinks kids should get hit, hit like physically hit.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Oh we've done that.
Speaker 6 (30:56):
Oh my twenty six and eighty four pounds of bamboo
a day.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
That a giant panda.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
Holy hell, twenty six to eighty four pounds a day?
Speaker 1 (31:04):
So much does a giant pandaway?
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Okay, so a female one hundred and fifty to two
hundred and eighty pounds, so I guess I would make.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
No, that's more. That's like a third. That's a third.
Speaker 7 (31:21):
Lot.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
That's a lot. How many? How much do you weigh?
Speaker 2 (31:23):
I weigh two ten right now?
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Okay, two tens. You're like a big female panda.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
So how many pounds?
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Best couple that I've gotten? How many the last ten minutes?
Speaker 4 (31:36):
How many pounds of food do you eat?
Speaker 2 (31:38):
I don't know. Why would I know that? Do you
know how much you well?
Speaker 1 (31:41):
I mean I've weighed meat before I worked at the deli,
you know, I know I probably.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
I wish everybody could see her hands.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
She's got a hand like making a scale, Like, yeah,
that would be the best deli to go to get
a ham sandwich. By the way, you can feel it,
This feels like a good sixteen weigh meat.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Everyone knows what I'm doing, and they.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Can probably isn't open today?
Speaker 4 (32:03):
You can feel it's not.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
It's not out of business because you've bankrupted it.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Justin thank you. You're such a wonderful big female panda.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Oh great, now I have to go dump this kind
of someplace else.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Thank you, I appreciate it. That was so much fun.
You made my day good. We all talk trending when
we come back.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
You've been listening to The Gary and Shannon Show.
Speaker 6 (32:25):
You can always hear us live on KFI AM six
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