July 2, 2025 • 30 mins
#SWAMPWATCH / Can cheese turn your dreams into nightmares? - Why Eating Dairy, Especially Late In The Day, Could Trigger Intense Nightmares. Scientists Say Napping May Be Bad For Your Health. A Holocaust survivor and WWII vet meet 80 years later.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Big Deals. Today, a couple of courtrooms saw a lot
of activity. One of them in Manhattan, where we saw
Sean Ditty Combs found not guilty of the three worst
charges against him. He was convicted of prostitution basically across
state lines for two of his ex girlfriends. So a
bail hearing for Diddy has been set for this afternoon
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this evening, New York time, five pm, New York time.
Neil determine whether or not the judge is or the
judge will determine whether or not he's going to let
him out while he awaits sentencing. The other big court
case was in Little Town in Idaho. Brian Coberger has
finally pleaded guilty to those University of Idaho murders from
a few years ago. He will avoid the death penalty.
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In all of that, we just saw Steve Gunnsalves, one
of the five other of one of the victims, who's
been one of the more outspoken about this plea deal,
saying that the prosecutors never ask the family members whether
or they would agree with this, and he had said
that he never would have if given the opportunity. He
was walking away from the courthouse. I don't know if
they are going to speak later, but that's a couple
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of the big things that are going on today.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
President Trump has met with some groups of House Republicans
as the hard liners are digging in for a fight
over this megabell. It's where we kick off swamp Watch.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
I'm a politician. I'm a politician. I'm a politician, which
means I'm a cheat and a liar. And when I'm
not kissing babies, I'm stealing their lollipops.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Yeah, we got The real problem is that our leaders
are done.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
The other side never quits.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
So what I'm not going anywhere, So.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
That now you train the squad, I can imagine what
can be and be unburdened by what has been.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
You know, Americans have always been gone. They're not stupid.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
A political flunder is what politician actually tells the truth.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
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Speaker 1 (02:18):
So a series of votes are already underway. We've got
Republican leaders, white House officials with an all hands on
deck approach to get this megabill through the House and
to the President. Get it all done by July fourth.
There have been a lot of grievances that we told
you were coming yesterday. With the Senate pass version of
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this policy bill, it is a bit of a mess
when you dig into it. On its face, it clearly
looks like it is tax breaks for the super rich,
and it looks like a lot of the vulnerable population
will lose Medicaid and will lose health insurance to pay
for the breaks for the rich. It is hard to
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swallow for a lot of people, and it is massive.
There's a lot more in it than that. It also
expands the debt, which has been Elon Musk's bugaboo of
late calling for another party because it seems like both
parties seem okay to just expand debt all the time.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah, it's hard, that's why Elon Musk had said that
there is one party in Washington right now, and it's
the pork Party or whatever term he used. There are
deficit hawks in the House, the House Freedom Caucus. They
are upset because it doesn't do much. First of all,
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it does not stick to what they agreed to months
ago where they called for dollar for dollar spending reductions
to offset whatever tax cuts are going to exist. Andy Harris,
is the chair of the House Freedom Caucus, Republican out
of Maryland, said that without those changes, a group of
members in that Freedom Caucus will sink any person ad
will vote to tee this thing up for debate, which
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would kill it before it even gets to the floor,
which is.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
An what an absolute black eye for.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
The president if this is supposed to be his big, first,
big legislative win of his second term. Harris said, hopefully
goes to the Rules Committee, moves closer to the House position,
the Senate gets called back into town and again if
they do change this. If the House members and specifically
the Freedom Caucus, is able to change the bill that
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came over from the Senate, it has to go back
to the Senate again before it can be moved on
to the President.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Five trillion dollars. The debt limit will be raised five trillion.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
This is deficit deficit spending that we only see coming
from Democrats traditionally. If both were If Elon Musk is right,
and we've got one party of the pork people, if
both Republicans and Democrats just want to spend, spend and
go into debt, we are screwed. At least Republicans used
to hold the line.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I just would be super frustrated if I was a
member of Congress and have been told something like what
Mike Johnson told some members of that Freedom Caucus, where
he said, we got to get this thing done, we
got to move forward, because I'm sure that in regardless
of party and regardless of where you are, you get
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promised things in exchange for your yes vote, and then
you have to sit and wait for those yeses to
finally come to fruition if they ever do. And in
Congress you only got a two year term, you could
be voted out of there because you were betting on
getting payback for your yes vote and it never never came.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Mike Johnson's job is to get through whatever bill is presented,
to push it on through no matter what he thinks
about it, right, that's his job is to push it through.
And we've seen that in that position far too much,
where people it's beneficial to them politically because then they
can say, well, I get things done. Look at what
I did in Congress. I have the ability to you know,
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to to whip up the votes. And that's just unfortunate
on both sides, both sides of the aisle. When you're
pushing when your job, if you're successful at pushing through
bills and things, when when they're not good bills, you're
just looking out for number one and not for the country.
So I don't know. The other question, I think we're
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in real trouble if both parties now are okay with
pushing the debt limit by five trillion dollars.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
The other quick thing to add is it's not just
deficit and debt spending. It's the medicaid cuts in the
bill that you mentioned. Of course, at the top, there
are some moderate Republicans who have been called to either
to speak or Johnson's office or to the White House
to try to get their position more in line with
what the president wants. Again, he's looking for a big ceremonial.
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He wants to be able to sign a giant piece
of legislation on the fourth of July, with all the
pomp and circumstance that comes with that. That's an artificial deadline.
He's the only one who said it has to be
done by the fourth of July.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
So all right, up next, sleeping.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
We all love it, but there are some things that
you can do to make your sleep awful. And one
of them is the thing that we love to do
is to eat the cheese.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Well, this is really going to be hard for you
this next segment because we're going to go after cheese
and we're going to go after napping because napping also
may not be good for you. All Right, we'll get
through this together, Gary Shannon.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
So Diddy got away with the two most serious charges
at his trial, and now his attorneys are making the
case that he should be released as he awaits so
and saying the two charges they did get him on prostitution.
It looks like ten years max for each of those
two counts three and five, But he won't be sentenced
anywhere near that near that even if he gets prison
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time at all. If he gets time at all, I mean,
I don't think he has any priors. Maybe probation, I
don't know. But anyway, like I said, his defense team
is making their case to the judge, and they say
that he is not a flight risk, that he's behaved,
that he's shown up to court hearings like a model inmate.
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They say that reasonable conditions would ensure that Diddy would
not have the ability to arrange meetings with escorts. That's
in the court papers. The conditions the defense proposes. They
lay out a million dollar bond, drug testing, travel restricted
to Florida, California, New York, and surrendering his passport. Prosecutors
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of course went him locked up before sentencing, but defense
say it is rare for man Act convictions to warrant
detention pending sentencing, and that is true. So they say
that the final decision will come down around three o'clock
hour time or two o'cloxuse me two o'clock our time.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
So, some new research published in the journal Frontiers in
Psychology opens a little door into our late night eating
habits and what those late night eating habits cause us
to think about when.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
We are asleep.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
There's a study a thousand college students found that people
with lactose intolerance are significantly more likely to experience nightmares,
with dairy products ranking as the second most common food
blamed for disturbing dreams like nightmares. Now, that part of
it doesn't surprise me. If you're lactose intolerant and you're
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chugging a glass of milk before you go to bed,
yeah you're gonna have nightmares. You might even have gonna
have die crap in the bed, right.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
I think that's the loudest and the most emphatically I've
ever said. Diarrhea.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Well, it's a good.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Thing that you are at your mom's house so she
knows that you're okay the But that's not a surprise.
This also points, I you know, it's got a point
perhaps to the connection between whatever's going on in your gut,
your belly and below to your brain that if if
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the the four or five is jammed up down south,
then your head is going to be going through some
stuff in the middle.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Of the ninder. Also, I haven't read the research, but
I wonder also, like, if you have a spike in
blood sugar. Like if you're like me and you're eating
ice cream in bed, if you have a spike in blood, sugar,
glucose or what have you, and then you go to bed.
How that screws with and I mean, not your gut,
but you're you're just your overall rhythms.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Yes, there is another potential cause for this that they
don't really explain, and that is why are you eating
late at night anyway?
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Because it's delicious?
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Have you ever had the Trader Joe's ice cream sandwiches?
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Yes? And I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I'm not saying that, but but they are saying that
if some people have whatever, some sort of anxiety, some
sort of uncomfortability.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
That they know what helps with anxiety ice cream sandwiches.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
No, I totally agree with you, but I'm saying that
anxiety that drives you to the ice cream sandwich may
also be the anxiety that drives whatever nightmare you're about
to have.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
You're giving me anxiety.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Sorry, are you eating ice cream right now?
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Not yet?
Speaker 3 (11:47):
How quickly can you run down and get some ice cream?
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Though? I could get some right now? Should we see
how quick it's you can have ice cream? Just for
the sake of the experiment.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Oh is that? Why is that? Why?
Speaker 4 (11:59):
No?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
I don't want to, but I'll do it. Just I
don't want but I could have it if I need it.
I mean, gosh, I just wanted to see. Yeah, you're
your mom asks you why you're Why are you taking
the entire box of ice cream? It's for the show, mom, Gosh,
it's research.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Good.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Can I get a bigger spoon?
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Please?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
What do you miniature midget mouths around here? I need
a big spoon, Mom?
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Where are the big spoons?
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Do we have any extra ice cream?
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Where's the extra butter?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
All right?
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (12:45):
The other the other research we'll talk about on the
other side of this is why taking a nap is
bad for you.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
This is blasphemy.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
It's going to hurt you. This is just, this is heresy.
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Speaker 4 (13:20):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
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Speaker 1 (13:27):
We haven't tweeted a lot. We could. We could get
into tweeting some more. But Heather wonders. Didn't you used
to have a show lounge lizard, Leamur, Larry. Something sounds
vaguely familiar, some sort of lizard or liam.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Oh, we had a leamer. We had a ringtail leamer.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I thought we gave him away. I think hope Pongo
or Pogo Hogo the lemur?
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Yeah something?
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Is this like a blake thing?
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Probably?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
You know we we let people work on this show
that probably we shouldn't. Uh, present company excluded.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Sorry, just I'll go my oh mer, Do you have
any weird animals you want us to adopt?
Speaker 5 (14:11):
No? I have a cat and a dog, pretty normal.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
What are your what are their names?
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Actually, there was a really big cockroach in my apartment
yesterday and it's still in the trash.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
So could what do you mean it's still in the trash?
You let it live?
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Well, I kind of. I sprayed it a bunch and then.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
You sprayed it with what windex freeze? Yes, whatever you have,
it's alive, lavender, lavender missed. Yeah, I've noticed that over
in my lifetime. It's like whatever has a spray nozzle,
that's what the insector bug gets. It could be anything.
But as long as I don't have to like get
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close to it, I can spray it. It's it's whatsever
in the spray bottle. So you breed the cockroach to death?
Speaker 3 (14:56):
You hope?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
I did I did to death? Or did you just
make it smell good?
Speaker 5 (15:03):
Both? I feel because it was like it was doing
some movie. I felt really bad. Honestly, I was hungy
to die.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
I would. I did feel awful.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
I had a broom and like a scooper, and I
picked it up with that. Then I threw it in
the garbage.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Then it kept elmer. You served in the military, sir.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
I know, but it's just I had a spiritual awakening.
I'm very zen. I don't like killing bugs.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
If you're very zen, you for breeze the cockroach to death.
For the love of God, What do you think the
universe has to say about that? Not good?
Speaker 5 (15:35):
So I feel so bad.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Because that's a slow death too. Man.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
I know then someone told me it's like just kill
it quickly, and I just you know, yeah, it's just true.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
I was I was torn.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
You went for like you went for like what's like
the uh, what's a slow death? Like a slow death penalty.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
A slow death penalty.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yeah, like one of the ones about like the olymtric
chair is pretty quick in Jection's probably this gas maybe
the gas chamber. Yeah, you put that cockroach in the
for breeze gas chamber instead of you know, the firing squad.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
It smelled so.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
Good though, like when I closed it, I was like, hmm,
this is yep.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Oh man, I know.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Sorry, yeah, I'm sorry you had to go through that.
Were you alone?
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Oh boy, that's even harder. But then I threw like.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
A bunch of breakfasts, like you know, like shells and what.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
You threw breakfast shells at.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
The eggs, and like, I don't know, I was thinking
in my head, maybe because it's eating all of this
stuff that I'm throwing away, it's getting stronger if it's.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Still having eggs right now scrambled mm hmm. Yes, they're delicious.
They taste even better because I haven't been sprayed to
death with for breeze.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
If you are a napper. If you are a naper,
you are not alone.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
I don't want to do this story because you know what,
like people like their naps and I don't want to
be the person to tell them that that's bad.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Well, I want to point out you can do it,
so it's not bad.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Okay, you do it.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
That's that's the important way to think about it. There
are there are ways that you can nap and it's
not negative. Some people want to do a quick power nap,
think like twenty thirty maybe forty minutes. And there is
a problem that says that if you nap early in
the day that could be connected with a higher rate
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of mortality in certain groups.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
And they're not there.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
They're saying that if you nap too late in the
morning or early in the afternoon, right as opposed to
like us, I don't know two thirds of the way
through the day. Longer naps can increase individual very. The
longer nap itself, the increased individual variability in the length
of your nap, and then napping around noon, all of
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those things associated with the greater risk of mortality. Longer
daytime napping could be a sign that you're not getting
enough sleep at night.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Insomnia, sleep apnea.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Those can be associated with worse health trajectories and increase
mortality risk if left untreated. So it's not that the
nap in the middle of the day is causing you
bad health. It's that your bad health makes you sleepy
and makes you nap during the middle of the day.
Also reciprocal relationship between napping and the worse health outcomes
and mortality. Certain nap patterns and older adults have been
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associated with increased low grade inflammation that plays a role
in some other medical conditions obesity, diabetes, stroke, hypertension, osteoporosis.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
So I think if you want to eat ice cream
in bed and you want to nap the afternoon away,
you should be able to You.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Know why, Gary, I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Because this is America, oh An American people always the
right to eat ice cream in bed, to kill cockroaches
with for breeze, and to nap the afternoon right away.
Mortality be damned.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Because you got to have a little bit of risk, right,
Those good things always come with a little.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Bit of risk, That's right.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
That's what I think every time I lay my head
down for an afternoon nap.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
I said, I'm with a bull ice cream on your chest.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
I am rolling the dice.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
I don't know how this is God, that is it.
I don't know how this is going to end. That's
what you say to yourself.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah, how sad is it? That? That is now the
risk we take in life. It's like, I don't know
what this ice cream is gonna do. I might have
crazy dreams. I don't know about this nap this afternoon.
It could be shortening my life span.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yeah, your call to action is now, diaper up. We're
going in for some ice cream.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
You know, it used to be fireball downtown at the
d till all hours the night. Now it's should I
really have this ice cream and take an app sad
state of affairs?
Speaker 3 (20:06):
We've done to ourselves?
Speaker 1 (20:08):
What have we done?
Speaker 3 (20:09):
How about a great story.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
I want to introduce you to Jack and Andrew, two
guys who met eighty years met up again eighty years
after they met the first time.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I got to say, I read this story this morning
and I got a little weepy. It's a good one.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
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Speaker 2 (20:36):
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the iHeartRadio app. Hamas has suggested that it's open to
a ceasefire agreement with Israel. They have not yet said
they agreed to this proposal that was announced by President Trump,
but the Israeli Prime Minister and at Yahoo has vowed
there will be no Hamas in Gaza after the war,
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and Trump said that Israel had agreed on terms for
a sixty day ceasefire in Gazen is urging Hamas to
accept the deal before things get any worse. We know
that Netanyahu is supposed to be visiting Washington, d C.
Coming up next Monday.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
I believe it is did you the store?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Oh, go ahead?
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Did you see the fireworks?
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Explosion?
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Explosion in the warehouse?
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Last? Did this would have been like Yolo or something?
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Yeah, Yolo County near Esparto and Madison.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Listen, not a lot to do in Yolo County. Apparently
we'll the trigger a little early on the fireworks sometimes
for some fun.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Yeah, but a pretty dramatic video of these fireworks just
cooking off left and right through the night.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
All right, So this is the story of two men.
Jack Moran was born in Wisconsin, Superior, Wisconsin in nineteen
twenty five, and Andrew Roth was born on the other
side of the world, in Hungary a couple years later,
in nineteen twenty seven, and the two finally met earlier
this month here in Los Angeles. It wasn't the first
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time the two were in the same place. Andrew Roth
is in a wheelchair and he reaches his hand out
to Jack, and Andrew says, are you the soldier who?
And Jack says, you don't have to get up. But
Andrew leaned on his cane from his wheelchair and stood
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and the two men embraced. And Andrew says to Jack,
I was much younger, so were you, Jack, telling Andrew
how wonderful that you survived.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
The first time they were in the same place at
the same time was April eleventh, nineteen forty five, at
Bukenvald the concentration camp now the road to get both
of them there to book involved.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
It was also dramatic.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Jack jars enlisted in the army when he was seventeen
and was deployed to the battlefields of Western Europe in
nineteen forty four. And you know you talked to World
War Two veterans, and it's wild how many of them
were already in the service sixteen, seventeen years old. You
look at a seventeen year old today, it blows your mind.
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But anyway, decades later, what is most vivid in Jack's
memory is the overwhelming loss he and his fellow soldiers endured.
Jack saying, I saw so many nice young fellows laying
in the ditches of France and in the snow of Belgium,
in the woods of Germany, nineteen years old, twenty years old,
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and their lives just cut short, just like that. In
one battle, Jack lost four of his best friends. He said,
God spared me for some reason. Life was so cheap
and death came so easy.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
He was also in the Battle of the Bulge, the
winner of forty four forty five, stuck in a fox
hole for days, surrounded by the German military, didn't have
any food, and he said, thank God for the snow,
because that was obviously what gave them water. And he says,
even to this day, he says, I saw grown men
who after a battle would be crying like baby, saying
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I can't take this anymore. But to him, a grown
man would maybe have been twenty five years old, right.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
So as the army advanced into Germany, he began seeing
more horrific scenes, but different than the ones you just described.
He started seeing box cars in railroad yards. He says,
we'd open up the door and inside would be six
or seven hundred suitcases that the owners never got back,
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because obviously the Nazis were confiscating all the belongings of
Jewish people and used them for the German war efforts.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
We told you that Andrew Roth was born in Hungary
in nineteen twenty seven, and in nineteen forty four he's
just seventeen, almost the same age as Jack Moran. When
Jack Moran enlisted in the army. The Nazis took Andrew
Roth and his family, all Orthodox Jews from their Hungarian
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town and concentrated them into urban ghettos. He and his
family were deported in nineteen forty four to Auschwitz, and
which obviously was the center I guess you could say,
at least in terms of name recognition, of all of
these concentration camps.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
So he and his family get to Auschwitz and he
remembers that the concentration campguard was separating new arrivals into
two lines, sending people right or left. Me to go right,
he says, to follow his mother and siblings, But he
saw his uncle and cousin going to the left, and
without thinking, he said, he decided to follow his uncle.
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Not realizing, Andrew says that I made a life and
death choice. All those who went to the right were
gassed the same night. I went with my uncle the
other way, and here I am.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
While he's in Auschwitz.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
The Soviet army approaches al Schwitz and the Nazis basically
clear that place out. So they send Andrew Roth and
his uncle other inmates to that concentration camp in Germany
and Bukenvald, and he would obviously meet with the other
people in the camp. He happened to be there at
(26:46):
the same time that Elie Veazel was there, of course,
the Nobel Peace Prize winner who died a few years ago.
And he said, survival at Bukenvald a lot of times
just came down to fighting again against freezing and starvation.
And at one point he was stealing a dog food
(27:06):
that the Germans were feeding the German shepherds that were
guarding the camp. He would steal some of that dog food,
but just enough to stay alive.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
So it's April nineteen forty five. At this time, the
Nazi regime is collapsing, and that is when Andrew and
Jack are brought together by fate. As you mentioned, it
was April eleventh. Inmates began to overtake the camp. The
guards took off. US forces soon arrived and liberated the area.
There were twenty one thousand inmates who remained alive there.
(27:36):
Twenty one thousand, nine hundred of them were children. Andrew
says the experience that day, it meant so much to him.
He now celebrates April eleventh is his birthday.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
So when these two guys get together, by the way,
just a couple of days ago, they're there because they're
sharing their story is with the USC Show of Foundation,
the largest audio visual archive of Holocaust survivor and witness testimonies.
And one of the things that Jack Moran brings to him,
(28:13):
or one of the things that was shared with these
guys when they got together, was an official questionnaire that
was filled out for the US military government. And Andrew
said he had never seen it, but it was a
questionnaire that says the military government of Germany and it's
written in German concentration camp inmates questionnaire and under under
(28:40):
the question of reason or under the line reason for arrest,
the statement or the document clearly states being a Jew,
that's the reason for this guy's arrest. And it's Andrew
Roth's questionnairescifically with all of his information on it.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
They're both approaching one hundred years old, as you can imagine.
And these stories not that any of the other stories
we've heard mean less, but it feels like they mean
so much more since they are so few these days,
because this generation is passing. So these stories are just fascinating.
I mean, for so many reasons. But the fact that
(29:26):
these two men were teenagers, yeah, when this was going on.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Yeah, while we kind of missed that.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
When I think for us, for you and me, the
age that we are, we see man, even images that
would come back from the eighties and nineties of people
coming home from Vietnam, we just assumed that they were older.
Everybody was forty, and it's just not the case. It's
hard to kind of wrap your head around a kid
(30:00):
who at the age of twenty had probably seen multiple
deployments or was in the European theater for a year
or two by the time the war ended and then
got out and was still twenty one years old and
had already seen that much action, right, all.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Right, Oh my god, is it already here?
Speaker 3 (30:20):
It's here. It's huge.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
I can't believe it. Round, I cannot, it's huge. Big.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Twelve o'clock hour is coming up next on The Gary
and Shannon Show. Holy hell, you've been listening to The
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Big Deals. Today, a couple of courtrooms saw a lot
of activity. One of them in Manhattan, where we saw
Sean Ditty Combs found not guilty of the three worst
charges against him. He was convicted of prostitution basically across
state lines for two of his ex girlfriends. So a
bail hearing for Diddy has been set for this afternoon
(00:33):
this evening, New York time, five pm, New York time.
Neil determine whether or not the judge is or the
judge will determine whether or not he's going to let
him out while he awaits sentencing. The other big court
case was in Little Town in Idaho. Brian Coberger has
finally pleaded guilty to those University of Idaho murders from
a few years ago. He will avoid the death penalty.
(00:56):
In all of that, we just saw Steve Gunnsalves, one
of the five other of one of the victims, who's
been one of the more outspoken about this plea deal,
saying that the prosecutors never ask the family members whether
or they would agree with this, and he had said
that he never would have if given the opportunity. He
was walking away from the courthouse. I don't know if
they are going to speak later, but that's a couple
(01:18):
of the big things that are going on today.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
President Trump has met with some groups of House Republicans
as the hard liners are digging in for a fight
over this megabell. It's where we kick off swamp Watch.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
I'm a politician. I'm a politician. I'm a politician, which
means I'm a cheat and a liar. And when I'm
not kissing babies, I'm stealing their lollipops.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Yeah, we got The real problem is that our leaders
are done.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
The other side never quits.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
So what I'm not going anywhere, So.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
That now you train the squad, I can imagine what
can be and be unburdened by what has been.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
You know, Americans have always been gone. They're not stupid.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
A political flunder is what politician actually tells the truth.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
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Speaker 1 (02:18):
So a series of votes are already underway. We've got
Republican leaders, white House officials with an all hands on
deck approach to get this megabill through the House and
to the President. Get it all done by July fourth.
There have been a lot of grievances that we told
you were coming yesterday. With the Senate pass version of
(02:38):
this policy bill, it is a bit of a mess
when you dig into it. On its face, it clearly
looks like it is tax breaks for the super rich,
and it looks like a lot of the vulnerable population
will lose Medicaid and will lose health insurance to pay
for the breaks for the rich. It is hard to
(03:01):
swallow for a lot of people, and it is massive.
There's a lot more in it than that. It also
expands the debt, which has been Elon Musk's bugaboo of
late calling for another party because it seems like both
parties seem okay to just expand debt all the time.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah, it's hard, that's why Elon Musk had said that
there is one party in Washington right now, and it's
the pork Party or whatever term he used. There are
deficit hawks in the House, the House Freedom Caucus. They
are upset because it doesn't do much. First of all,
(03:40):
it does not stick to what they agreed to months
ago where they called for dollar for dollar spending reductions
to offset whatever tax cuts are going to exist. Andy Harris,
is the chair of the House Freedom Caucus, Republican out
of Maryland, said that without those changes, a group of
members in that Freedom Caucus will sink any person ad
will vote to tee this thing up for debate, which
(04:02):
would kill it before it even gets to the floor,
which is.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
An what an absolute black eye for.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
The president if this is supposed to be his big, first,
big legislative win of his second term. Harris said, hopefully
goes to the Rules Committee, moves closer to the House position,
the Senate gets called back into town and again if
they do change this. If the House members and specifically
the Freedom Caucus, is able to change the bill that
(04:32):
came over from the Senate, it has to go back
to the Senate again before it can be moved on
to the President.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Five trillion dollars. The debt limit will be raised five trillion.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
This is deficit deficit spending that we only see coming
from Democrats traditionally. If both were If Elon Musk is right,
and we've got one party of the pork people, if
both Republicans and Democrats just want to spend, spend and
go into debt, we are screwed. At least Republicans used
to hold the line.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I just would be super frustrated if I was a
member of Congress and have been told something like what
Mike Johnson told some members of that Freedom Caucus, where
he said, we got to get this thing done, we
got to move forward, because I'm sure that in regardless
of party and regardless of where you are, you get
(05:27):
promised things in exchange for your yes vote, and then
you have to sit and wait for those yeses to
finally come to fruition if they ever do. And in
Congress you only got a two year term, you could
be voted out of there because you were betting on
getting payback for your yes vote and it never never came.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Mike Johnson's job is to get through whatever bill is presented,
to push it on through no matter what he thinks
about it, right, that's his job is to push it through.
And we've seen that in that position far too much,
where people it's beneficial to them politically because then they
can say, well, I get things done. Look at what
I did in Congress. I have the ability to you know,
(06:09):
to to whip up the votes. And that's just unfortunate
on both sides, both sides of the aisle. When you're
pushing when your job, if you're successful at pushing through
bills and things, when when they're not good bills, you're
just looking out for number one and not for the country.
So I don't know. The other question, I think we're
(06:29):
in real trouble if both parties now are okay with
pushing the debt limit by five trillion dollars.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
The other quick thing to add is it's not just
deficit and debt spending. It's the medicaid cuts in the
bill that you mentioned. Of course, at the top, there
are some moderate Republicans who have been called to either
to speak or Johnson's office or to the White House
to try to get their position more in line with
what the president wants. Again, he's looking for a big ceremonial.
(07:00):
He wants to be able to sign a giant piece
of legislation on the fourth of July, with all the
pomp and circumstance that comes with that. That's an artificial deadline.
He's the only one who said it has to be
done by the fourth of July.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
So all right, up next, sleeping.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
We all love it, but there are some things that
you can do to make your sleep awful. And one
of them is the thing that we love to do
is to eat the cheese.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Well, this is really going to be hard for you
this next segment because we're going to go after cheese
and we're going to go after napping because napping also
may not be good for you. All Right, we'll get
through this together, Gary Shannon.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
So Diddy got away with the two most serious charges
at his trial, and now his attorneys are making the
case that he should be released as he awaits so
and saying the two charges they did get him on prostitution.
It looks like ten years max for each of those
two counts three and five, But he won't be sentenced
anywhere near that near that even if he gets prison
(08:15):
time at all. If he gets time at all, I mean,
I don't think he has any priors. Maybe probation, I
don't know. But anyway, like I said, his defense team
is making their case to the judge, and they say
that he is not a flight risk, that he's behaved,
that he's shown up to court hearings like a model inmate.
(08:35):
They say that reasonable conditions would ensure that Diddy would
not have the ability to arrange meetings with escorts. That's
in the court papers. The conditions the defense proposes. They
lay out a million dollar bond, drug testing, travel restricted
to Florida, California, New York, and surrendering his passport. Prosecutors
(08:58):
of course went him locked up before sentencing, but defense
say it is rare for man Act convictions to warrant
detention pending sentencing, and that is true. So they say
that the final decision will come down around three o'clock
hour time or two o'cloxuse me two o'clock our time.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
So, some new research published in the journal Frontiers in
Psychology opens a little door into our late night eating
habits and what those late night eating habits cause us
to think about when.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
We are asleep.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
There's a study a thousand college students found that people
with lactose intolerance are significantly more likely to experience nightmares,
with dairy products ranking as the second most common food
blamed for disturbing dreams like nightmares. Now, that part of
it doesn't surprise me. If you're lactose intolerant and you're
(09:53):
chugging a glass of milk before you go to bed,
yeah you're gonna have nightmares. You might even have gonna
have die crap in the bed, right.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
I think that's the loudest and the most emphatically I've
ever said. Diarrhea.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Well, it's a good.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Thing that you are at your mom's house so she
knows that you're okay the But that's not a surprise.
This also points, I you know, it's got a point
perhaps to the connection between whatever's going on in your gut,
your belly and below to your brain that if if
(10:32):
the the four or five is jammed up down south,
then your head is going to be going through some
stuff in the middle.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Of the ninder. Also, I haven't read the research, but
I wonder also, like, if you have a spike in
blood sugar. Like if you're like me and you're eating
ice cream in bed, if you have a spike in blood, sugar,
glucose or what have you, and then you go to bed.
How that screws with and I mean, not your gut,
but you're you're just your overall rhythms.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Yes, there is another potential cause for this that they
don't really explain, and that is why are you eating
late at night anyway?
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Because it's delicious?
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Have you ever had the Trader Joe's ice cream sandwiches?
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Yes? And I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I'm not saying that, but but they are saying that
if some people have whatever, some sort of anxiety, some
sort of uncomfortability.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
That they know what helps with anxiety ice cream sandwiches.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
No, I totally agree with you, but I'm saying that
anxiety that drives you to the ice cream sandwich may
also be the anxiety that drives whatever nightmare you're about
to have.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
You're giving me anxiety.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Sorry, are you eating ice cream right now?
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Not yet?
Speaker 3 (11:47):
How quickly can you run down and get some ice cream?
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Though? I could get some right now? Should we see
how quick it's you can have ice cream? Just for
the sake of the experiment.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Oh is that? Why is that? Why?
Speaker 4 (11:59):
No?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
I don't want to, but I'll do it. Just I
don't want but I could have it if I need it.
I mean, gosh, I just wanted to see. Yeah, you're
your mom asks you why you're Why are you taking
the entire box of ice cream? It's for the show, mom, Gosh,
it's research.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Good.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Can I get a bigger spoon?
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Please?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
What do you miniature midget mouths around here? I need
a big spoon, Mom?
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Where are the big spoons?
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Do we have any extra ice cream?
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Where's the extra butter?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
All right?
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (12:45):
The other the other research we'll talk about on the
other side of this is why taking a nap is
bad for you.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
This is blasphemy.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
It's going to hurt you. This is just, this is heresy.
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Speaker 4 (13:20):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
We haven't tweeted a lot. We could. We could get
into tweeting some more. But Heather wonders. Didn't you used
to have a show lounge lizard, Leamur, Larry. Something sounds
vaguely familiar, some sort of lizard or liam.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Oh, we had a leamer. We had a ringtail leamer.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I thought we gave him away. I think hope Pongo
or Pogo Hogo the lemur?
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Yeah something?
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Is this like a blake thing?
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Probably?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
You know we we let people work on this show
that probably we shouldn't. Uh, present company excluded.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Sorry, just I'll go my oh mer, Do you have
any weird animals you want us to adopt?
Speaker 5 (14:11):
No? I have a cat and a dog, pretty normal.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
What are your what are their names?
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Actually, there was a really big cockroach in my apartment
yesterday and it's still in the trash.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
So could what do you mean it's still in the trash?
You let it live?
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Well, I kind of. I sprayed it a bunch and then.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
You sprayed it with what windex freeze? Yes, whatever you have,
it's alive, lavender, lavender missed. Yeah, I've noticed that over
in my lifetime. It's like whatever has a spray nozzle,
that's what the insector bug gets. It could be anything.
But as long as I don't have to like get
(14:49):
close to it, I can spray it. It's it's whatsever
in the spray bottle. So you breed the cockroach to death?
Speaker 3 (14:56):
You hope?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
I did I did to death? Or did you just
make it smell good?
Speaker 5 (15:03):
Both? I feel because it was like it was doing
some movie. I felt really bad. Honestly, I was hungy
to die.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
I would. I did feel awful.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
I had a broom and like a scooper, and I
picked it up with that. Then I threw it in
the garbage.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Then it kept elmer. You served in the military, sir.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
I know, but it's just I had a spiritual awakening.
I'm very zen. I don't like killing bugs.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
If you're very zen, you for breeze the cockroach to death.
For the love of God, What do you think the
universe has to say about that? Not good?
Speaker 5 (15:35):
So I feel so bad.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Because that's a slow death too. Man.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
I know then someone told me it's like just kill
it quickly, and I just you know, yeah, it's just true.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
I was I was torn.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
You went for like you went for like what's like
the uh, what's a slow death? Like a slow death penalty.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
A slow death penalty.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yeah, like one of the ones about like the olymtric
chair is pretty quick in Jection's probably this gas maybe
the gas chamber. Yeah, you put that cockroach in the
for breeze gas chamber instead of you know, the firing squad.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
It smelled so.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
Good though, like when I closed it, I was like, hmm,
this is yep.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Oh man, I know.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Sorry, yeah, I'm sorry you had to go through that.
Were you alone?
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Oh boy, that's even harder. But then I threw like.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
A bunch of breakfasts, like you know, like shells and what.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
You threw breakfast shells at.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
The eggs, and like, I don't know, I was thinking
in my head, maybe because it's eating all of this
stuff that I'm throwing away, it's getting stronger if it's.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Still having eggs right now scrambled mm hmm. Yes, they're delicious.
They taste even better because I haven't been sprayed to
death with for breeze.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
If you are a napper. If you are a naper,
you are not alone.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
I don't want to do this story because you know what,
like people like their naps and I don't want to
be the person to tell them that that's bad.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Well, I want to point out you can do it,
so it's not bad.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Okay, you do it.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
That's that's the important way to think about it. There
are there are ways that you can nap and it's
not negative. Some people want to do a quick power nap,
think like twenty thirty maybe forty minutes. And there is
a problem that says that if you nap early in
the day that could be connected with a higher rate
(17:37):
of mortality in certain groups.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
And they're not there.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
They're saying that if you nap too late in the
morning or early in the afternoon, right as opposed to
like us, I don't know two thirds of the way
through the day. Longer naps can increase individual very. The
longer nap itself, the increased individual variability in the length
of your nap, and then napping around noon, all of
(18:03):
those things associated with the greater risk of mortality. Longer
daytime napping could be a sign that you're not getting
enough sleep at night.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Insomnia, sleep apnea.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Those can be associated with worse health trajectories and increase
mortality risk if left untreated. So it's not that the
nap in the middle of the day is causing you
bad health. It's that your bad health makes you sleepy
and makes you nap during the middle of the day.
Also reciprocal relationship between napping and the worse health outcomes
and mortality. Certain nap patterns and older adults have been
(18:41):
associated with increased low grade inflammation that plays a role
in some other medical conditions obesity, diabetes, stroke, hypertension, osteoporosis.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
So I think if you want to eat ice cream
in bed and you want to nap the afternoon away,
you should be able to You.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Know why, Gary, I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Because this is America, oh An American people always the
right to eat ice cream in bed, to kill cockroaches
with for breeze, and to nap the afternoon right away.
Mortality be damned.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Because you got to have a little bit of risk, right,
Those good things always come with a little.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Bit of risk, That's right.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
That's what I think every time I lay my head
down for an afternoon nap.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
I said, I'm with a bull ice cream on your chest.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
I am rolling the dice.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
I don't know how this is God, that is it.
I don't know how this is going to end. That's
what you say to yourself.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah, how sad is it? That? That is now the
risk we take in life. It's like, I don't know
what this ice cream is gonna do. I might have
crazy dreams. I don't know about this nap this afternoon.
It could be shortening my life span.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yeah, your call to action is now, diaper up. We're
going in for some ice cream.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
You know, it used to be fireball downtown at the
d till all hours the night. Now it's should I
really have this ice cream and take an app sad
state of affairs?
Speaker 3 (20:06):
We've done to ourselves?
Speaker 1 (20:08):
What have we done?
Speaker 3 (20:09):
How about a great story.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
I want to introduce you to Jack and Andrew, two
guys who met eighty years met up again eighty years
after they met the first time.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I got to say, I read this story this morning
and I got a little weepy. It's a good one.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
Am six forty.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Gary and Shannon Kfi AM six forty live everywhere on
the iHeartRadio app. Hamas has suggested that it's open to
a ceasefire agreement with Israel. They have not yet said
they agreed to this proposal that was announced by President Trump,
but the Israeli Prime Minister and at Yahoo has vowed
there will be no Hamas in Gaza after the war,
(20:57):
and Trump said that Israel had agreed on terms for
a sixty day ceasefire in Gazen is urging Hamas to
accept the deal before things get any worse. We know
that Netanyahu is supposed to be visiting Washington, d C.
Coming up next Monday.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
I believe it is did you the store?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Oh, go ahead?
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Did you see the fireworks?
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Explosion?
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Explosion in the warehouse?
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Last? Did this would have been like Yolo or something?
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Yeah, Yolo County near Esparto and Madison.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Listen, not a lot to do in Yolo County. Apparently
we'll the trigger a little early on the fireworks sometimes
for some fun.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Yeah, but a pretty dramatic video of these fireworks just
cooking off left and right through the night.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
All right, So this is the story of two men.
Jack Moran was born in Wisconsin, Superior, Wisconsin in nineteen
twenty five, and Andrew Roth was born on the other
side of the world, in Hungary a couple years later,
in nineteen twenty seven, and the two finally met earlier
this month here in Los Angeles. It wasn't the first
(22:06):
time the two were in the same place. Andrew Roth
is in a wheelchair and he reaches his hand out
to Jack, and Andrew says, are you the soldier who?
And Jack says, you don't have to get up. But
Andrew leaned on his cane from his wheelchair and stood
(22:29):
and the two men embraced. And Andrew says to Jack,
I was much younger, so were you, Jack, telling Andrew
how wonderful that you survived.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
The first time they were in the same place at
the same time was April eleventh, nineteen forty five, at
Bukenvald the concentration camp now the road to get both
of them there to book involved.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
It was also dramatic.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Jack jars enlisted in the army when he was seventeen
and was deployed to the battlefields of Western Europe in
nineteen forty four. And you know you talked to World
War Two veterans, and it's wild how many of them
were already in the service sixteen, seventeen years old. You
look at a seventeen year old today, it blows your mind.
(23:28):
But anyway, decades later, what is most vivid in Jack's
memory is the overwhelming loss he and his fellow soldiers endured.
Jack saying, I saw so many nice young fellows laying
in the ditches of France and in the snow of Belgium,
in the woods of Germany, nineteen years old, twenty years old,
(23:49):
and their lives just cut short, just like that. In
one battle, Jack lost four of his best friends. He said,
God spared me for some reason. Life was so cheap
and death came so easy.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
He was also in the Battle of the Bulge, the
winner of forty four forty five, stuck in a fox
hole for days, surrounded by the German military, didn't have
any food, and he said, thank God for the snow,
because that was obviously what gave them water. And he says,
even to this day, he says, I saw grown men
who after a battle would be crying like baby, saying
(24:25):
I can't take this anymore. But to him, a grown
man would maybe have been twenty five years old, right.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
So as the army advanced into Germany, he began seeing
more horrific scenes, but different than the ones you just described.
He started seeing box cars in railroad yards. He says,
we'd open up the door and inside would be six
or seven hundred suitcases that the owners never got back,
(24:55):
because obviously the Nazis were confiscating all the belongings of
Jewish people and used them for the German war efforts.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
We told you that Andrew Roth was born in Hungary
in nineteen twenty seven, and in nineteen forty four he's
just seventeen, almost the same age as Jack Moran. When
Jack Moran enlisted in the army. The Nazis took Andrew
Roth and his family, all Orthodox Jews from their Hungarian
(25:27):
town and concentrated them into urban ghettos. He and his
family were deported in nineteen forty four to Auschwitz, and
which obviously was the center I guess you could say,
at least in terms of name recognition, of all of
these concentration camps.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
So he and his family get to Auschwitz and he
remembers that the concentration campguard was separating new arrivals into
two lines, sending people right or left. Me to go right,
he says, to follow his mother and siblings, But he
saw his uncle and cousin going to the left, and
without thinking, he said, he decided to follow his uncle.
(26:10):
Not realizing, Andrew says that I made a life and
death choice. All those who went to the right were
gassed the same night. I went with my uncle the
other way, and here I am.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
While he's in Auschwitz.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
The Soviet army approaches al Schwitz and the Nazis basically
clear that place out. So they send Andrew Roth and
his uncle other inmates to that concentration camp in Germany
and Bukenvald, and he would obviously meet with the other
people in the camp. He happened to be there at
(26:46):
the same time that Elie Veazel was there, of course,
the Nobel Peace Prize winner who died a few years ago.
And he said, survival at Bukenvald a lot of times
just came down to fighting again against freezing and starvation.
And at one point he was stealing a dog food
(27:06):
that the Germans were feeding the German shepherds that were
guarding the camp. He would steal some of that dog food,
but just enough to stay alive.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
So it's April nineteen forty five. At this time, the
Nazi regime is collapsing, and that is when Andrew and
Jack are brought together by fate. As you mentioned, it
was April eleventh. Inmates began to overtake the camp. The
guards took off. US forces soon arrived and liberated the area.
There were twenty one thousand inmates who remained alive there.
(27:36):
Twenty one thousand, nine hundred of them were children. Andrew
says the experience that day, it meant so much to him.
He now celebrates April eleventh is his birthday.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
So when these two guys get together, by the way,
just a couple of days ago, they're there because they're
sharing their story is with the USC Show of Foundation,
the largest audio visual archive of Holocaust survivor and witness testimonies.
And one of the things that Jack Moran brings to him,
(28:13):
or one of the things that was shared with these
guys when they got together, was an official questionnaire that
was filled out for the US military government. And Andrew
said he had never seen it, but it was a
questionnaire that says the military government of Germany and it's
written in German concentration camp inmates questionnaire and under under
(28:40):
the question of reason or under the line reason for arrest,
the statement or the document clearly states being a Jew,
that's the reason for this guy's arrest. And it's Andrew
Roth's questionnairescifically with all of his information on it.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
They're both approaching one hundred years old, as you can imagine.
And these stories not that any of the other stories
we've heard mean less, but it feels like they mean
so much more since they are so few these days,
because this generation is passing. So these stories are just fascinating.
I mean, for so many reasons. But the fact that
(29:26):
these two men were teenagers, yeah, when this was going on.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Yeah, while we kind of missed that.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
When I think for us, for you and me, the
age that we are, we see man, even images that
would come back from the eighties and nineties of people
coming home from Vietnam, we just assumed that they were older.
Everybody was forty, and it's just not the case. It's
hard to kind of wrap your head around a kid
(30:00):
who at the age of twenty had probably seen multiple
deployments or was in the European theater for a year
or two by the time the war ended and then
got out and was still twenty one years old and
had already seen that much action, right, all.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Right, Oh my god, is it already here?
Speaker 3 (30:20):
It's here. It's huge.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
I can't believe it. Round, I cannot, it's huge. Big.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
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