March 25, 2025 • 31 mins
SwampWatch: Greenland ‘unacceptable pressure’ / WhiteHouse Egg Roll Sponsor / People don’t want to pay taxes. Shrooms going public in Colorado. Strange popularity of the Unabomber.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
A M six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on
demand on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
The shrooms, right, the shrooms? What about them? I threw
them out? Oh the story got it? I know, shut,
you don't actually have magic mushrooms.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
One of the shows that I've been watching is Clarkson's Farm.
It's Jeremy Clarkson. He guys mushrooms on his farm and
he had so many mushrooms that he was selling them
to different bars and pubs and stuff like that. And
he was making lunches for the crew, the film crew,
and it was mushrooms on toast, and it sounded awful.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Well, you don't like mushrooms, I think if you do,
that probably sounds good. Who likes mushrooms? Like everybody like, who, Debra,
do you like mushrooms?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I do like mushrooms. I'm very picky about the kind
of mushrooms that I like, though. Yeah, there's there's some
that I that I do enjoy. I like porcini. Porcini.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Yeah, if I chop them up because my husband loves mushrooms,
So if I chop them up real thin, like I
put them in lasagna and stuff. But I also hide
zucchini in there as well. But like if I if I,
if I really mince them, I don't mind them.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
What about on a pizza and pasta pizza things like that.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yeah, but it's like there's something I'm a verse too
when I see the mushroom or the shape of the mushroom,
like a slice of a mushroom.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Well, big thick mushroom turns me off. Yeah, it's time
for small flatch politician, which means I'm a cheat and
a liar. And when I'm not kissing babies, I'm stealing
their lollipops.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Yeah, we got The real problem is that our leaders
are dumb.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
The other side never quits, so.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
What I'm not going anywhere.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
So that is how you drain the swat.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I can imagine what can be and be unburden. You know,
NERVs have always been gone.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
A political blunder is what a politician actually tells the.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Truth whether people voted for you with Masked watch, Yeah,
I will say it happens most days.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
There's one moment of this show where I'm like, that's
why I woke up this morning, Like that is what
was worth getting out of bed for, and that moment
just happened.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
You got to come back.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
A limited ceasefire deal is being finalized between Russia and Ukraine.
This is according to the White House. The two countries
have been holed up in Saudi Arabia for about a week.
They've agreed to stop fighting in the Black Sea. They'll
work to agree to halt any strikes on energy infrastructure.
There have been three days of recent negotiations there as
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Ukrainian and Russian delegations met with our mediators US mediators separately.
Ukrainian presidents Lensky says a ceasefire in the Black Sea
is already in effect.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
M and Trump stood by his national security advisor today.
President Trump stood by his national security advisor, Mike Walls.
Mike Walls was the one who set up this chat
group in the Signal app that included the Atlantic magazine's
editor in chief. It was intended to be a private,
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very high level, cabinet level chat on the messaging app Signal,
and apparently some military plans were being discussed. Jeffrey Goldberg,
the editor, broke the story, talked about it yesterday in
a very lengthy article that he thought Originally it was
a trick.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
He thought it wasn't real, and when he.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Realized it was real, he realized he had a treasure
trove of information that he wasn't supposed to be privy to.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
And again I think about how fun that thought exercise
is is does he play his hand now, which he did,
or does he use that information for leverage with this
administration where I don't think you would get anywhere this
particular administration. So I think it was smart for Jeffrey
Goldberg to play his hand and run with this while
he had it.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Pete Hegseth, I will say the Secretary of Defense said
there were no war plans that were discussed. Caroline Levitt,
the White House Press Secretary, said there was no classified
material it was ever sent to the thread.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
But that goes again.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Sorry, but Caroline Levitt, like she can say the sky
is blue, and I'm going to need four other people
to tell me the sky is blue, her word has
zero weight with me.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Jeffrey Jeffrey Goldberg, again the writer, the editor in chief.
He explained what he saw without getting into too many
specifics that were very detailed, according to him, about what
the plan was, to the point when to the point
where I should say he knew down to the minute
when these attacks were supposed to happen.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
So yeah, I mean they were clearly planning, but it
was a mistake.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
They've said it was a mistake.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
The FBI today has announced is looking to crack down
on recent attacks against Tesla. They're going to create a
new task force. The FBI is urging the public to
exercise vigilance look out for suspicious activity where several incidents
around the country have been involving Tesla's charging stations, dealerships
and things like that ever since Trump began working with
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Elon Musk. But the US Attorney General, Pam Bondi is
called the attacks domestic terrorism.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yeah, they've said that they're going to set up task force.
It must be nice.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
What about all the stolen catalytic converters. There should be
a task force about that, shouldn't there.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Well, remember, according to the La City Council, it was
Toyota's fault for putting the catalytic converter in a place
where it was easy to steal. We mentioned yesterday that
Usha Vance, the second Lady of the United States, is
going to be along with Mike Waltz, assuming he's still
on the travel docket, headed to Greenland later this week,
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and Jative Fredericson, the Danish Prime minister, says the United
States has been putting unacceptable pressure on Greenland before this visit.
They didn't ask for, by the way, and in fact
Metta Fredericson, Prime Minister has vowed that she will be
resisting all of this pressure. She said, I have to
say it is unacceptable being placed on Greenland and Denmark
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in the situation, and it is pressure that we will resist.
She I dismissed the idea of the trip being a
private visit, saying you cannot make a private visit with
official representatives from another country. Of course, this is all
going to President Trump's ongoing discussion about taking over Greenland
somehow because of its geo graphic importance to US.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Chris Little texted me, I'm never eating your lasagna portrait news.
Are we ready for some Trump portrait news? Where we
last found the portrait in the Colorado State House is
where Trump saw and did not like it.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I don't like Puffy. It no longer hangs there.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
The portrait was removed at the request of Republican leaders
in the legislature after the President claimed it was purposefully distorted.
It had been hanging there since twenty nineteen. Colorado Republicans
raised more than ten thousand dollars to commission the oil painting.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I've never commissioned a painting before.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
But in the event that I did, and I dropped
ten grand on it, wouldn't I have final say about
whether or not it's a good painting.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Well, the Republicans in Colorado thought it was fine, because
they were the ones.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Who put this in thout. That's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
They thought it was fine. He just didn't like it.
You've seen pictures of yourself that people thought were fine
that you probably didn't like.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yeah, the one that you always want to post about
me in the mess shirt. I don't want to always
post that. Are you kidding? Do you think I want
to see that again? Ever?
Speaker 1 (07:52):
No, I do not, I feel or whatever the one
that I post never mind. The Kremlin has confirmed that
Vladimir Putin has gifted to Trump a portrait he commissioned
of Trump.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
I don't know how much that.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Was, but a spokesperson for Putin says that he gave
the pen the painting to Trump's Special Envoy Steve Whitkoff
earlier this month. The gift was first mentioned last week
in an interview with Fox News host Tucker Carlson, former
I should say he told, uh, Tucker Carlson Witcoff did that.
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Trump was clearly touched by the portrait. He's not the
first setting the sitting president to receive a gift from Putin.
In twenty twenty one, Putin gave Joe Biden a writing
box and a pen. He sent Barack Obama porcelain plates
and espresso cups in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Well, look at that.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
How extensive do you think they tear apart a writing
box to see if it's bugged or it's Somehow.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Would that be too naive? Maybe that's too many movies.
I feel like that's like a movie from one hundred
years ago. That's very possible.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
They don't need little wooden boxes to bug our presidents
with anyone.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
April twenty first is the day after ep the day
after Easter. It's the traditional day of the White House
Easter egg roll, and this year, according to The New
York Times, the White House is allowing companies to have
corporate sponsorship now ships for the White House egg role.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
I saw this this morning, and there'll be people like,
oh my gosh, oh the horror putting a sponsorship on
something as.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Sacred as the egg roll.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Where is all the decorum and just the sense of
doing something for tradition. Washington has been bought and sold
for since its inception.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
There it is filled with whores. It is a swamp
filled with whoes.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
And to think that the egg roll isn't sponsored by X,
Y and Z as being naive.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Well, and isn't it hasn't It been traditionally sponsored by
the American egg Board forever. Now you're going to get
some oil company, in a tobacco company or whatever.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Why are we thing is, why are we hiding the
whoring that we know exists right?
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Act, act like it doesn't happen, But when it's out
in the open, come on all right, tax revenues? Are
you going to pay your taxes this year? The answer
should be yes, but so many people are like, well,
I'm going to wait and see what happens. That's a
good way to get yourself in trouble. We'll talk about
that we come back.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on Demand from KFI
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Speaker 2 (10:28):
Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
I think Conway will start a segment and then like
go run errands and then.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Come back.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
And pick it right back up. It's brilliant, really freaking brilliant.
The beauty of living in burbank. Right, you start the segment,
you go home, left, the water gets or the long
gets watered. Sure, the laundry gets done. See were doing
laundry right.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Gerard Deppardieu is on trial right now for what he
sitting slumped in a special orthopedic stool in a Paris
courtroom today, faces too counts of sexual assault. If convicted,
faces up to five years in prison find of eighty
one thousand.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
They all kind of blend together, don't they. I don't
remember what his particular offense was.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
His was that he was rubbing up against female Parisians
on the metro and you go to trial for that.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
If you're Gerard depart, do you wow that's it? Huh?
Speaker 3 (11:35):
I guess yeah. Wildfires continue back east to dry conditions.
Wind trees down by a Hurricane Helene are fueling these
wildfires in North and South Carolina, so evacuation orders are
in effect today. In some parts of the states while
they continue to monitor the fires, three of them burning
in rural North Caro in a rural North Carolina county
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about eighty miles west of Charlotte.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
N see Double a men's basketball tournament seeing its highest
viewership in decades. Games through the second round are averaging
nine point four million viewers. That makes this year's tournament
the most watched in thirty two years. Why, I wonder why?
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Because you can? I mean, there's so many ways that
you can watch it now. I guess I don't know.
I mean, it used to be if you were at work,
you couldn't watch it. Now everybody's got a phone or
a computer that they could watch it, and they're both.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Able to compile all of that in the data right away.
Viewership peaked Sunday with an average what.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Are you saying? I have no idea? Do you your
Jeopardy question? Oh, I'd love it. I'd love it. It
would be a great day for that.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Jesus ends with oh, for six hundred dollars. Food and
Wine magazine says, not distress about constantly stirring this Italian
rice dish every thirty seconds should be okay orzo.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
No, but you're kind.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I mean, I like where your head at Risotto?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
You know it tastes good in Risotta's mushroom cheese and cheese. Yeah, cheese,
Risotto and cheese.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
I was talking about NCAA viewership, right, But yeah? And
then also, what would you say is summer's most anticipated
release for a movie?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Can you think of any of them? Saw eleven? Is that?
Is that coming out? I actually think they pulled it
from the release schedule they were working on it. Jurassic
World's rebirth?
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Did we just have a rebirth of Jurassic World? We
always do.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Those dinosaurs keep getting reborn. They live life on the edge,
and they got to keep dipping their head in the water.
Put on that white shirt. The Fantastic Four, First Steps
of Mission Impossible, The Final Reckoning, Superman, Thunder, and from
the World of John Wick. Ballerina made up the rest
of the.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Top five most interested in that Mission Impossible thing.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
And talk to me about John I know I should.
You've told me I should watch the John Wick movies.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
I don't think I would have.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Well, you should in the same way that that Moe
wants you to watch Escape from New York. Ah just
so you know what you're talking about. I don't think
you're gonna like it. Ah, I don't think it's gonna
be your lane.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Okay, But what's he doing with a ballerina that it's
not even worth The explanation is she's a character that
exists in that world. It's one of those things where
there's a world or a universe or a multiverse or something.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
I wouldn't it's not science fiction like that. It's not
like fantasy world. But yes, there, it's got its own universe.
I mean not that it's not your universe. I mean
there's people in the story that could break off and
do their own stories and this.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, and it's Keanu Reeves. That's
exactly right. That is John Wick.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
I don't think, all right, we'll get into our mushroom
story when we come back. Oh, I just want to say.
Treasury Department in the IRS, they predict a decrease of
about ten percent fewer tax receipts by the April fifteenth
deadline compared to last week, and a lot of them
have to a lot of those people have said that
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they will not be filing taxes because they want to
wait and see what happens with Doge. Like somehow Doze
is going to prevent the irs from finding you.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
That's not how it's going to work. Gary and Shannon
will continued.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from kfi
AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Gary and Shannon kfi AM six forty five, everywhere in
the iHeartRadio app gotten mushrooms for this just to do
this segment. You mean, yes, National Weather Services today is
not going to be quite as warm as it was yesterday.
There were a handful of records that were set. Woodland
Hills was ninety five that broke the daily record by
six degrees, Palmdale tied to record at eighty forty yesterday,
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and Passer Robles at eighty six bested its own record
by one degree.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
This trip to Greenland is getting a little dice heer,
isn't it.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
It was never going to be very great.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
A number of delegations, delegates from the Trump administration going
over to Greenland Thursday to Saturday, including White House National
Security Advisor Mike Waltz.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah, if if he's still on the travel plans, They said, yeah,
They said it was a private visit. But the head of.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Denmark. The Danish Prime Minister says, no, there's no way
that this is a private visit. He said, you cannot
make a private visit with official representatives from another country.
He went on to say, I have to say it
is unacceptable pressure being placed on Greenland and Denmark in
this situation, and it is pressure that we will resist.
Poor asha USh Advance. USh Advance is going to be
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take all the heat for this.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Mentioned the NCAA tournament and how it's getting pretty crazy
ratings this year. The women's side was rocked. I think
you could say USC's Juju Watkins out sophomore scoring guard.
They said that she is one of those transformative players,
if not just for the school, maybe for the entire game. Yeah,
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season ending injury last night. They probably tore she probably
tore her ACL in her right leg. But USC, and
that was in the first quarter. They were able to
come back. USC overcame the injury. They won ninety six
to fifty nine last night. They will face the number
five seed Kansas State Kansas State Jayhawks.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah jay howks Kansas not Kansas State. Kansas State is
something different.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
That's what I'm looking for, is that becificity Kansas state.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Gosh, there's people scream at the radio right now, and
I'll find it here in just a second.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Wildcats, wildcats, of course, everybody's a wildcat.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
That should just be our first go to the guests.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
All right, Well, Colorado has always led the nation when
it comes to drugs. Well not really, but you know
what the pod and the legalizing of the pod and
the pot everywhere. Well now they're doing that with mushrooms.
State regulated psychedelic mushrooms have arrived in Colorado nearly two
years after Oregon began offering them.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
These mushrooms are a Schedule one drug.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
They are a legal under federal law except for clinical research.
William Smith is an assistant professor of psychiatry at the
University of North Carolina. He says, in Oregon and Colorado,
we're going to learn a lot about administration of psychedelics
outside of clinical, religious, and underground settings. Because they're the
first to try this in the country. We know what
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they do.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
William, Well, this isn't a new thing.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
There have been the specifically about what psilocybin does and
the potential to treat people with depression, with anxiety, with
PTSD and things like that especially those that are unresponsive
to other treatments, other therapies. RFK Junior had said that
he his mind is open to the idea of psychedelics
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when it comes to treatment, but they don't come without
side effects. That's the biggest issue, they said, headache, nausea.
Usually those go away within a couple of days, but
there are extended difficulties from using psychedelics that can last
weeks or months or years. I met Timothy Leary one
time when he came to speak at Chico State, and
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it was clear, very clear that decades of psychedelics will
completely destroy your brain completely. And I know that he
was held up as one of the guys. It's like
the forefront of psychedelics and he's a groundbreaking.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
You do that, LSD. He was gone, he was gone.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
He could not hold a conversation, and for some reason
we paid him to speak for forty minutes or whatever
it was. Again, this proposition Prop One twenty two in
Colorado is similar to the one that was passed in
Oregon a few years ago, but Colorado's program sets up.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
These treatment centers.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
As of right now, the state has received applications for
at least fifteen healing center, licenses nine cultivation four more
manufacturer one for a testing facility.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Man, you got.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Timothy Leary right before he died. Yeah, died in ninety six.
You must have been that must have been early nineties.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Probably ninety three.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Yeah, you got him three years before he died. Way
to go Chico. Trust me, that was the weirdest. That
was one of the weirdest events that we ever did
because we my roommate and I were both on the
programming board or whatever they called it at the time
for what they associated students. Ah, so it's the student government.
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We were the programming end of it. So we would
bring in bands and speakers and things like that, and
on the off chance that we got somebody like Spike
Lee to come in. It was kind of a cool event.
I got to meet people that you didn't you know,
high profile people. In this case, we met Timothy Leary
and we were he had a helper, like, he had
an assistant that was with him, but we're the ones
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that were kind of escorting him around and people would
walk up to him and offer to smoke pot with him,
and it was just these and we'd have to go
hay Man like, but that'd be a great story. I
smoke weed with Timothy Larry, which is why they did it.
I mean they knew that his end was near as well.
I mean he was a frail old man.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
I'm looking at a picture of him from nineteen eighty
nine and there's no there behind those eyes.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
No.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Yeah, anyway, in this case, mushrooms themselves are not expensive.
What's going to make this whole thing expensive is the
fees that go into setting up the practice facilitators. Who
facilitators those who would be helping you through your psilocybin trip, right,
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they sit next to you and make sure you don't vomit.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah. The trustworthy individual Not only.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Do they have to have they should have experience in
mental health training and emergencies. They need screening, informed consent,
post session monitoring, some first aid, et cetera. They are
going to have to pay about four hundred and twenty
bucks for the training that all, I'll sit.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Next to you while you're high on mushrooms.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Yeah, what a racket that allows them to get the
necessary consultation hours. They're gonna have to pay nine hundred
bucks a year basically for the license the healing center
has to pay somewhere between three and six thousand dollars
for the license in Colorado.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
What a racket, turning drugs into this organized freaking racket machine.
I mean, mushrooms, for my recollection, were some of the
cheapest things to get your hands on.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Well it is, like they said, it's it's cheap to do.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
But I mean back when in the early nineties, I
can't imagine what the quality control was. Like You're buying
mushrooms off a guy who thinks he's doing.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
It right, I have no idea. I mean that was
back in the day.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I only did them once and and I just remember
people at school would do them, but they would always
put them in like a hamburger or something because supposed
to the awful. And we didn't have any money at
this concert we were at, but we had the mushrooms
and we all ate them with just we had one
bottle of water to share between like four of us,
just like a twelve ounds a bottle of water. I
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remember like choking those mushrooms down with just water. Oh,
it's the worst taste ever and a stupid, stupid high.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Like it was awful.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
It was just stupid and a stupid thing to do
in at a concert with like a bunch of people
and they're in your space in Golden Gate.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Park and concert. Ben Harper was a different time. Kids
don't do Kids who was stupid, like what a wasted
day just running around in the grass. I saw this
article the other day and it intrigued me.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
One of the first stories I covered as a reporter
was the lead up to what was going to be
the trial of Ted Kazinski, the unibomber. And one of
the things that one of the things that that I
did was read his his big manifesto that was sent out.
Originally it was done an anonymously, unanimously moron anonymously. Remember
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they published it and they're.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Trying to That's why you said unanimous. That's what I so.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
But there are people who are looking at this now
and saying to themselves, yeah, he's a horrible guy, murderer,
but he.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Had a point.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Some of the things you was saying, you know, were
John and Ken in the manifesto.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
No, that was the different. That was different, guy, Gary.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
How many manifestos do you think John and Ken were in?
It wasn't just the one.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
I would say a good thirty to forty percent of
manifestos that are written include the names John and Kenn.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
We will continue in a moment.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
The Paper Trail.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
It is a new newspaper, an in house newspaper written
and written and edited by incarcerated people, the first effort
of its kind at a prison in the US. Women's
prison in the US will tell you the story coming
up in True Crime Tuesday on the twelve o'clock hour.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
This story is.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
A little bit weird because some people will automatically jump
to conclusions about Ted Kaczinski, the unibomber. How we feel
about him, I'm just telling you. In the New York
Times they wrote an article called the post part the
strange postpartisan popularity of the Unibomber and.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
The basics of it.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
If you're under the age of say thirty, you don't
remember this guy. Ted Kaczinski, before anybody knew who he was,
wrote this manifesto called Industrial Society and its Future, and
he sent it to the New York Times and the
Washington Post. And at the time there was somebody who
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was sending mail bombs to people, most of them here
in California, and the writer of this manifesto sent it
to those two major newspapers and asked them to print it,
and if they printed it, he would stop killing people.
I think he killed three and then eventually three twenty three,
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mark twenty three. It was from nineteen seventy eight to
nineteen ninety five. This was for people he believed to
be advancing modern technology. He was kind of a live
off the land guy interested in nature.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
The very first sentence of Industrial Society and its Future says,
the Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster
for the human race. A guy named James Fitzgerald is
a retired FBI agent, found himself rereading this manifesto that
(27:23):
was written by Ted Kazinsky back when he was a
UC math professor, and right after Kazinsky sent this typewritten
manuscript to the Times into the Washington Post, he demanded
that it was published. Like I said, and the original
copy that this now retired FBI agent has is dog geared,
It's marked up with color coded annotations.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
He's trying.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
He was one of the guys trying to figure out
who this was based simply on his writing style and
to this day, retired agent Fitzgerald says he doesn't have
any sympathy for Ted Kazinski. But and that's the gigantic
butt he goes. I really don't disagree with some of
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the things that he says.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
We've talked repeatedly how crazy and remarkably brilliant go hand
in hand. It's a very thin line between brilliant and crazy,
and sometimes you go back and forth. And there's several
examples through time of people like that.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
And sometimes, just like Christopher.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Dorner had a point when he talked about John and
Ken being right about a lot of stuff, crazy people
do make good salient points from time to time.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
Well, listen to this, Fitzgerald. This at THEIYE agent remembered
and then reconsidered, especially during the COVID vaccine mandate push.
This ATBI agent was reluctant. Ted Kazinski wrote, quote, Thus
science marches on blindly without regard to the real welfare
of the human race or to any other standard, obedient
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only to the psychological needs of the science tests and
of the government officials and cooperation corporation executives who provide
the funds for research. The agent says, you know what,
old Ted might have been onto something there. They refer
to this experience as being ted pilled, as opposed to
(29:18):
red pilled. Ted pilled means that you read through all
of this and think to yourself, Yeah, maybe the industrial
revolution has made life unfulfilling. Maybe it has led to
widespread psychological suffering. Maybe it has inflicted severe damage on
the natural world, And you think yourself, oh.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
I'm gonna throw this in there, take with it what
you will leave. A penny, take a penny. But prior
to all this, in the late sixties, Ted Kaczynski.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Took massive amounts what go on, I was gonna say,
probably LSD and likely mushrooms or a sweet combination thereof.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
He went through several phases of undergoing a gender transition
in the late sixties. What he had numerous fantasies about
being female, went to a psychiatrist, was going to have
the transition, went to the point of having the surgery,
left when he was in the waiting room.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
I don't think I ever knew that. If I did,
I have completely blocked it out. I had also completely
forgotten that Ted Kaczinski hanged himself in his cell two
years ago.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
When you said that off the air, did we know
that he killed himself? And I was like, that checks out.
I was thinking he killed himself like in two thousand
and five.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
This was like a year ago, two years ago, March
of twenty three. Why would we have.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Done that on the show or are we gone like
we would have done a deep dive on him?
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Right there was a week. No, that would have been
a different year.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
I don't know why that wasn't a big deal.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
We would have done something. Yeah, huh.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Again, that was one of the first trial that I
was supposed to cover as a reporter, was going to
be his trial.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Wow, all right, coming up next it is you've made
it this long and now you're going to be rewarded
with Deborah Marks twelve o'clock news. Yeah, bring it, bring it,
and then our massive twelve o'clock hour. It's all coming
up next. Something to be excited about right here on
Gary and Shannon.
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
The shrooms, right, the shrooms? What about them? I threw
them out? Oh the story got it? I know, shut,
you don't actually have magic mushrooms.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
One of the shows that I've been watching is Clarkson's Farm.
It's Jeremy Clarkson. He guys mushrooms on his farm and
he had so many mushrooms that he was selling them
to different bars and pubs and stuff like that. And
he was making lunches for the crew, the film crew,
and it was mushrooms on toast, and it sounded awful.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Well, you don't like mushrooms, I think if you do,
that probably sounds good. Who likes mushrooms? Like everybody like, who, Debra,
do you like mushrooms?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I do like mushrooms. I'm very picky about the kind
of mushrooms that I like, though. Yeah, there's there's some
that I that I do enjoy. I like porcini. Porcini.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Yeah, if I chop them up because my husband loves mushrooms,
So if I chop them up real thin, like I
put them in lasagna and stuff. But I also hide
zucchini in there as well. But like if I if I,
if I really mince them, I don't mind them.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
What about on a pizza and pasta pizza things like that.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yeah, but it's like there's something I'm a verse too
when I see the mushroom or the shape of the mushroom,
like a slice of a mushroom.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Well, big thick mushroom turns me off. Yeah, it's time
for small flatch politician, which means I'm a cheat and
a liar. And when I'm not kissing babies, I'm stealing
their lollipops.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Yeah, we got The real problem is that our leaders
are dumb.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
The other side never quits, so.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
What I'm not going anywhere.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
So that is how you drain the swat.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I can imagine what can be and be unburden. You know,
NERVs have always been gone.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
A political blunder is what a politician actually tells the.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Truth whether people voted for you with Masked watch, Yeah,
I will say it happens most days.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
There's one moment of this show where I'm like, that's
why I woke up this morning, Like that is what
was worth getting out of bed for, and that moment
just happened.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
You got to come back.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
A limited ceasefire deal is being finalized between Russia and Ukraine.
This is according to the White House. The two countries
have been holed up in Saudi Arabia for about a week.
They've agreed to stop fighting in the Black Sea. They'll
work to agree to halt any strikes on energy infrastructure.
There have been three days of recent negotiations there as
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Ukrainian and Russian delegations met with our mediators US mediators separately.
Ukrainian presidents Lensky says a ceasefire in the Black Sea
is already in effect.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
M and Trump stood by his national security advisor today.
President Trump stood by his national security advisor, Mike Walls.
Mike Walls was the one who set up this chat
group in the Signal app that included the Atlantic magazine's
editor in chief. It was intended to be a private,
(03:23):
very high level, cabinet level chat on the messaging app Signal,
and apparently some military plans were being discussed. Jeffrey Goldberg,
the editor, broke the story, talked about it yesterday in
a very lengthy article that he thought Originally it was
a trick.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
He thought it wasn't real, and when he.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Realized it was real, he realized he had a treasure
trove of information that he wasn't supposed to be privy to.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
And again I think about how fun that thought exercise
is is does he play his hand now, which he did,
or does he use that information for leverage with this
administration where I don't think you would get anywhere this
particular administration. So I think it was smart for Jeffrey
Goldberg to play his hand and run with this while
he had it.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Pete Hegseth, I will say the Secretary of Defense said
there were no war plans that were discussed. Caroline Levitt,
the White House Press Secretary, said there was no classified
material it was ever sent to the thread.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
But that goes again.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Sorry, but Caroline Levitt, like she can say the sky
is blue, and I'm going to need four other people
to tell me the sky is blue, her word has
zero weight with me.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Jeffrey Jeffrey Goldberg, again the writer, the editor in chief.
He explained what he saw without getting into too many
specifics that were very detailed, according to him, about what
the plan was, to the point when to the point
where I should say he knew down to the minute
when these attacks were supposed to happen.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
So yeah, I mean they were clearly planning, but it
was a mistake.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
They've said it was a mistake.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
The FBI today has announced is looking to crack down
on recent attacks against Tesla. They're going to create a
new task force. The FBI is urging the public to
exercise vigilance look out for suspicious activity where several incidents
around the country have been involving Tesla's charging stations, dealerships
and things like that ever since Trump began working with
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Elon Musk. But the US Attorney General, Pam Bondi is
called the attacks domestic terrorism.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yeah, they've said that they're going to set up task force.
It must be nice.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
What about all the stolen catalytic converters. There should be
a task force about that, shouldn't there.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Well, remember, according to the La City Council, it was
Toyota's fault for putting the catalytic converter in a place
where it was easy to steal. We mentioned yesterday that
Usha Vance, the second Lady of the United States, is
going to be along with Mike Waltz, assuming he's still
on the travel docket, headed to Greenland later this week,
(05:58):
and Jative Fredericson, the Danish Prime minister, says the United
States has been putting unacceptable pressure on Greenland before this visit.
They didn't ask for, by the way, and in fact
Metta Fredericson, Prime Minister has vowed that she will be
resisting all of this pressure. She said, I have to
say it is unacceptable being placed on Greenland and Denmark
(06:21):
in the situation, and it is pressure that we will resist.
She I dismissed the idea of the trip being a
private visit, saying you cannot make a private visit with
official representatives from another country. Of course, this is all
going to President Trump's ongoing discussion about taking over Greenland
somehow because of its geo graphic importance to US.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Chris Little texted me, I'm never eating your lasagna portrait news.
Are we ready for some Trump portrait news? Where we
last found the portrait in the Colorado State House is
where Trump saw and did not like it.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I don't like Puffy. It no longer hangs there.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
The portrait was removed at the request of Republican leaders
in the legislature after the President claimed it was purposefully distorted.
It had been hanging there since twenty nineteen. Colorado Republicans
raised more than ten thousand dollars to commission the oil painting.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I've never commissioned a painting before.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
But in the event that I did, and I dropped
ten grand on it, wouldn't I have final say about
whether or not it's a good painting.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Well, the Republicans in Colorado thought it was fine, because
they were the ones.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Who put this in thout. That's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
They thought it was fine. He just didn't like it.
You've seen pictures of yourself that people thought were fine
that you probably didn't like.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yeah, the one that you always want to post about
me in the mess shirt. I don't want to always
post that. Are you kidding? Do you think I want
to see that again? Ever?
Speaker 1 (07:52):
No, I do not, I feel or whatever the one
that I post never mind. The Kremlin has confirmed that
Vladimir Putin has gifted to Trump a portrait he commissioned
of Trump.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
I don't know how much that.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Was, but a spokesperson for Putin says that he gave
the pen the painting to Trump's Special Envoy Steve Whitkoff
earlier this month. The gift was first mentioned last week
in an interview with Fox News host Tucker Carlson, former
I should say he told, uh, Tucker Carlson Witcoff did that.
(08:29):
Trump was clearly touched by the portrait. He's not the
first setting the sitting president to receive a gift from Putin.
In twenty twenty one, Putin gave Joe Biden a writing
box and a pen. He sent Barack Obama porcelain plates
and espresso cups in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Well, look at that.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
How extensive do you think they tear apart a writing
box to see if it's bugged or it's Somehow.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Would that be too naive? Maybe that's too many movies.
I feel like that's like a movie from one hundred
years ago. That's very possible.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
They don't need little wooden boxes to bug our presidents
with anyone.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
April twenty first is the day after ep the day
after Easter. It's the traditional day of the White House
Easter egg roll, and this year, according to The New
York Times, the White House is allowing companies to have
corporate sponsorship now ships for the White House egg role.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
I saw this this morning, and there'll be people like,
oh my gosh, oh the horror putting a sponsorship on
something as.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Sacred as the egg roll.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Where is all the decorum and just the sense of
doing something for tradition. Washington has been bought and sold
for since its inception.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
There it is filled with whores. It is a swamp
filled with whoes.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
And to think that the egg roll isn't sponsored by X,
Y and Z as being naive.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Well, and isn't it hasn't It been traditionally sponsored by
the American egg Board forever. Now you're going to get
some oil company, in a tobacco company or whatever.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Why are we thing is, why are we hiding the
whoring that we know exists right?
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Act, act like it doesn't happen, But when it's out
in the open, come on all right, tax revenues? Are
you going to pay your taxes this year? The answer
should be yes, but so many people are like, well,
I'm going to wait and see what happens. That's a
good way to get yourself in trouble. We'll talk about
that we come back.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on Demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
I think Conway will start a segment and then like
go run errands and then.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Come back.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
And pick it right back up. It's brilliant, really freaking brilliant.
The beauty of living in burbank. Right, you start the segment,
you go home, left, the water gets or the long
gets watered. Sure, the laundry gets done. See were doing
laundry right.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Gerard Deppardieu is on trial right now for what he
sitting slumped in a special orthopedic stool in a Paris
courtroom today, faces too counts of sexual assault. If convicted,
faces up to five years in prison find of eighty
one thousand.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
They all kind of blend together, don't they. I don't
remember what his particular offense was.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
His was that he was rubbing up against female Parisians
on the metro and you go to trial for that.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
If you're Gerard depart, do you wow that's it? Huh?
Speaker 3 (11:35):
I guess yeah. Wildfires continue back east to dry conditions.
Wind trees down by a Hurricane Helene are fueling these
wildfires in North and South Carolina, so evacuation orders are
in effect today. In some parts of the states while
they continue to monitor the fires, three of them burning
in rural North Caro in a rural North Carolina county
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about eighty miles west of Charlotte.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
N see Double a men's basketball tournament seeing its highest
viewership in decades. Games through the second round are averaging
nine point four million viewers. That makes this year's tournament
the most watched in thirty two years. Why, I wonder why?
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Because you can? I mean, there's so many ways that
you can watch it now. I guess I don't know.
I mean, it used to be if you were at work,
you couldn't watch it. Now everybody's got a phone or
a computer that they could watch it, and they're both.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Able to compile all of that in the data right away.
Viewership peaked Sunday with an average what.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Are you saying? I have no idea? Do you your
Jeopardy question? Oh, I'd love it. I'd love it. It
would be a great day for that.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Jesus ends with oh, for six hundred dollars. Food and
Wine magazine says, not distress about constantly stirring this Italian
rice dish every thirty seconds should be okay orzo.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
No, but you're kind.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I mean, I like where your head at Risotto?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
You know it tastes good in Risotta's mushroom cheese and cheese. Yeah, cheese,
Risotto and cheese.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
I was talking about NCAA viewership, right, But yeah? And
then also, what would you say is summer's most anticipated
release for a movie?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Can you think of any of them? Saw eleven? Is that?
Is that coming out? I actually think they pulled it
from the release schedule they were working on it. Jurassic
World's rebirth?
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Did we just have a rebirth of Jurassic World? We
always do.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Those dinosaurs keep getting reborn. They live life on the edge,
and they got to keep dipping their head in the water.
Put on that white shirt. The Fantastic Four, First Steps
of Mission Impossible, The Final Reckoning, Superman, Thunder, and from
the World of John Wick. Ballerina made up the rest
of the.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Top five most interested in that Mission Impossible thing.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
And talk to me about John I know I should.
You've told me I should watch the John Wick movies.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
I don't think I would have.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Well, you should in the same way that that Moe
wants you to watch Escape from New York. Ah just
so you know what you're talking about. I don't think
you're gonna like it. Ah, I don't think it's gonna
be your lane.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Okay, But what's he doing with a ballerina that it's
not even worth The explanation is she's a character that
exists in that world. It's one of those things where
there's a world or a universe or a multiverse or something.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
I wouldn't it's not science fiction like that. It's not
like fantasy world. But yes, there, it's got its own universe.
I mean not that it's not your universe. I mean
there's people in the story that could break off and
do their own stories and this.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, and it's Keanu Reeves. That's
exactly right. That is John Wick.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
I don't think, all right, we'll get into our mushroom
story when we come back. Oh, I just want to say.
Treasury Department in the IRS, they predict a decrease of
about ten percent fewer tax receipts by the April fifteenth
deadline compared to last week, and a lot of them
have to a lot of those people have said that
(15:18):
they will not be filing taxes because they want to
wait and see what happens with Doge. Like somehow Doze
is going to prevent the irs from finding you.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
That's not how it's going to work. Gary and Shannon
will continued.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from kfi
AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Gary and Shannon kfi AM six forty five, everywhere in
the iHeartRadio app gotten mushrooms for this just to do
this segment. You mean, yes, National Weather Services today is
not going to be quite as warm as it was yesterday.
There were a handful of records that were set. Woodland
Hills was ninety five that broke the daily record by
six degrees, Palmdale tied to record at eighty forty yesterday,
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and Passer Robles at eighty six bested its own record
by one degree.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
This trip to Greenland is getting a little dice heer,
isn't it.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
It was never going to be very great.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
A number of delegations, delegates from the Trump administration going
over to Greenland Thursday to Saturday, including White House National
Security Advisor Mike Waltz.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah, if if he's still on the travel plans, They said, yeah,
They said it was a private visit. But the head of.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Denmark. The Danish Prime Minister says, no, there's no way
that this is a private visit. He said, you cannot
make a private visit with official representatives from another country.
He went on to say, I have to say it
is unacceptable pressure being placed on Greenland and Denmark in
this situation, and it is pressure that we will resist.
Poor asha USh Advance. USh Advance is going to be
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take all the heat for this.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Mentioned the NCAA tournament and how it's getting pretty crazy
ratings this year. The women's side was rocked. I think
you could say USC's Juju Watkins out sophomore scoring guard.
They said that she is one of those transformative players,
if not just for the school, maybe for the entire game. Yeah,
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season ending injury last night. They probably tore she probably
tore her ACL in her right leg. But USC, and
that was in the first quarter. They were able to
come back. USC overcame the injury. They won ninety six
to fifty nine last night. They will face the number
five seed Kansas State Kansas State Jayhawks.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah jay howks Kansas not Kansas State. Kansas State is
something different.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
That's what I'm looking for, is that becificity Kansas state.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Gosh, there's people scream at the radio right now, and
I'll find it here in just a second.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Wildcats, wildcats, of course, everybody's a wildcat.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
That should just be our first go to the guests.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
All right, Well, Colorado has always led the nation when
it comes to drugs. Well not really, but you know
what the pod and the legalizing of the pod and
the pot everywhere. Well now they're doing that with mushrooms.
State regulated psychedelic mushrooms have arrived in Colorado nearly two
years after Oregon began offering them.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
These mushrooms are a Schedule one drug.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
They are a legal under federal law except for clinical research.
William Smith is an assistant professor of psychiatry at the
University of North Carolina. He says, in Oregon and Colorado,
we're going to learn a lot about administration of psychedelics
outside of clinical, religious, and underground settings. Because they're the
first to try this in the country. We know what
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they do.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
William, Well, this isn't a new thing.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
There have been the specifically about what psilocybin does and
the potential to treat people with depression, with anxiety, with
PTSD and things like that especially those that are unresponsive
to other treatments, other therapies. RFK Junior had said that
he his mind is open to the idea of psychedelics
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when it comes to treatment, but they don't come without
side effects. That's the biggest issue, they said, headache, nausea.
Usually those go away within a couple of days, but
there are extended difficulties from using psychedelics that can last
weeks or months or years. I met Timothy Leary one
time when he came to speak at Chico State, and
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it was clear, very clear that decades of psychedelics will
completely destroy your brain completely. And I know that he
was held up as one of the guys. It's like
the forefront of psychedelics and he's a groundbreaking.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
You do that, LSD. He was gone, he was gone.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
He could not hold a conversation, and for some reason
we paid him to speak for forty minutes or whatever
it was. Again, this proposition Prop One twenty two in
Colorado is similar to the one that was passed in
Oregon a few years ago, but Colorado's program sets up.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
These treatment centers.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
As of right now, the state has received applications for
at least fifteen healing center, licenses nine cultivation four more
manufacturer one for a testing facility.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Man, you got.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Timothy Leary right before he died. Yeah, died in ninety six.
You must have been that must have been early nineties.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Probably ninety three.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Yeah, you got him three years before he died. Way
to go Chico. Trust me, that was the weirdest. That
was one of the weirdest events that we ever did
because we my roommate and I were both on the
programming board or whatever they called it at the time
for what they associated students. Ah, so it's the student government.
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We were the programming end of it. So we would
bring in bands and speakers and things like that, and
on the off chance that we got somebody like Spike
Lee to come in. It was kind of a cool event.
I got to meet people that you didn't you know,
high profile people. In this case, we met Timothy Leary
and we were he had a helper, like, he had
an assistant that was with him, but we're the ones
(21:20):
that were kind of escorting him around and people would
walk up to him and offer to smoke pot with him,
and it was just these and we'd have to go
hay Man like, but that'd be a great story. I
smoke weed with Timothy Larry, which is why they did it.
I mean they knew that his end was near as well.
I mean he was a frail old man.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
I'm looking at a picture of him from nineteen eighty
nine and there's no there behind those eyes.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
No.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Yeah, anyway, in this case, mushrooms themselves are not expensive.
What's going to make this whole thing expensive is the
fees that go into setting up the practice facilitators. Who
facilitators those who would be helping you through your psilocybin trip, right,
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they sit next to you and make sure you don't vomit.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah. The trustworthy individual Not only.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Do they have to have they should have experience in
mental health training and emergencies. They need screening, informed consent,
post session monitoring, some first aid, et cetera. They are
going to have to pay about four hundred and twenty
bucks for the training that all, I'll sit.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Next to you while you're high on mushrooms.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Yeah, what a racket that allows them to get the
necessary consultation hours. They're gonna have to pay nine hundred
bucks a year basically for the license the healing center
has to pay somewhere between three and six thousand dollars
for the license in Colorado.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
What a racket, turning drugs into this organized freaking racket machine.
I mean, mushrooms, for my recollection, were some of the
cheapest things to get your hands on.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Well it is, like they said, it's it's cheap to do.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
But I mean back when in the early nineties, I
can't imagine what the quality control was. Like You're buying
mushrooms off a guy who thinks he's doing.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
It right, I have no idea. I mean that was
back in the day.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I only did them once and and I just remember
people at school would do them, but they would always
put them in like a hamburger or something because supposed
to the awful. And we didn't have any money at
this concert we were at, but we had the mushrooms
and we all ate them with just we had one
bottle of water to share between like four of us,
just like a twelve ounds a bottle of water. I
(23:40):
remember like choking those mushrooms down with just water. Oh,
it's the worst taste ever and a stupid, stupid high.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Like it was awful.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
It was just stupid and a stupid thing to do
in at a concert with like a bunch of people
and they're in your space in Golden Gate.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Park and concert. Ben Harper was a different time. Kids
don't do Kids who was stupid, like what a wasted
day just running around in the grass. I saw this
article the other day and it intrigued me.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
One of the first stories I covered as a reporter
was the lead up to what was going to be
the trial of Ted Kazinski, the unibomber. And one of
the things that one of the things that that I
did was read his his big manifesto that was sent out.
Originally it was done an anonymously, unanimously moron anonymously. Remember
(24:39):
they published it and they're.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Trying to That's why you said unanimous. That's what I so.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
But there are people who are looking at this now
and saying to themselves, yeah, he's a horrible guy, murderer,
but he.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Had a point.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Some of the things you was saying, you know, were
John and Ken in the manifesto.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
No, that was the different. That was different, guy, Gary.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
How many manifestos do you think John and Ken were in?
It wasn't just the one.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
I would say a good thirty to forty percent of
manifestos that are written include the names John and Kenn.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
We will continue in a moment.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
The Paper Trail.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
It is a new newspaper, an in house newspaper written
and written and edited by incarcerated people, the first effort
of its kind at a prison in the US. Women's
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Speaker 2 (25:43):
This story is.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
A little bit weird because some people will automatically jump
to conclusions about Ted Kaczinski, the unibomber. How we feel
about him, I'm just telling you. In the New York
Times they wrote an article called the post part the
strange postpartisan popularity of the Unibomber and.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
The basics of it.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
If you're under the age of say thirty, you don't
remember this guy. Ted Kaczinski, before anybody knew who he was,
wrote this manifesto called Industrial Society and its Future, and
he sent it to the New York Times and the
Washington Post. And at the time there was somebody who
(26:26):
was sending mail bombs to people, most of them here
in California, and the writer of this manifesto sent it
to those two major newspapers and asked them to print it,
and if they printed it, he would stop killing people.
I think he killed three and then eventually three twenty three,
(26:48):
mark twenty three. It was from nineteen seventy eight to
nineteen ninety five. This was for people he believed to
be advancing modern technology. He was kind of a live
off the land guy interested in nature.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
The very first sentence of Industrial Society and its Future says,
the Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster
for the human race. A guy named James Fitzgerald is
a retired FBI agent, found himself rereading this manifesto that
(27:23):
was written by Ted Kazinsky back when he was a
UC math professor, and right after Kazinsky sent this typewritten
manuscript to the Times into the Washington Post, he demanded
that it was published. Like I said, and the original
copy that this now retired FBI agent has is dog geared,
It's marked up with color coded annotations.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
He's trying.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
He was one of the guys trying to figure out
who this was based simply on his writing style and
to this day, retired agent Fitzgerald says he doesn't have
any sympathy for Ted Kazinski. But and that's the gigantic
butt he goes. I really don't disagree with some of
(28:08):
the things that he says.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
We've talked repeatedly how crazy and remarkably brilliant go hand
in hand. It's a very thin line between brilliant and crazy,
and sometimes you go back and forth. And there's several
examples through time of people like that.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
And sometimes, just like Christopher.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Dorner had a point when he talked about John and
Ken being right about a lot of stuff, crazy people
do make good salient points from time to time.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
Well, listen to this, Fitzgerald. This at THEIYE agent remembered
and then reconsidered, especially during the COVID vaccine mandate push.
This ATBI agent was reluctant. Ted Kazinski wrote, quote, Thus
science marches on blindly without regard to the real welfare
of the human race or to any other standard, obedient
(28:57):
only to the psychological needs of the science tests and
of the government officials and cooperation corporation executives who provide
the funds for research. The agent says, you know what,
old Ted might have been onto something there. They refer
to this experience as being ted pilled, as opposed to
(29:18):
red pilled. Ted pilled means that you read through all
of this and think to yourself, Yeah, maybe the industrial
revolution has made life unfulfilling. Maybe it has led to
widespread psychological suffering. Maybe it has inflicted severe damage on
the natural world, And you think yourself, oh.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
I'm gonna throw this in there, take with it what
you will leave. A penny, take a penny. But prior
to all this, in the late sixties, Ted Kaczynski.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Took massive amounts what go on, I was gonna say,
probably LSD and likely mushrooms or a sweet combination thereof.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
He went through several phases of undergoing a gender transition
in the late sixties. What he had numerous fantasies about
being female, went to a psychiatrist, was going to have
the transition, went to the point of having the surgery,
left when he was in the waiting room.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
I don't think I ever knew that. If I did,
I have completely blocked it out. I had also completely
forgotten that Ted Kaczinski hanged himself in his cell two
years ago.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
When you said that off the air, did we know
that he killed himself? And I was like, that checks out.
I was thinking he killed himself like in two thousand
and five.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
This was like a year ago, two years ago, March
of twenty three. Why would we have.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Done that on the show or are we gone like
we would have done a deep dive on him?
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Right there was a week. No, that would have been
a different year.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
I don't know why that wasn't a big deal.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
We would have done something. Yeah, huh.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Again, that was one of the first trial that I
was supposed to cover as a reporter, was going to
be his trial.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Wow, all right, coming up next it is you've made
it this long and now you're going to be rewarded
with Deborah Marks twelve o'clock news. Yeah, bring it, bring it,
and then our massive twelve o'clock hour. It's all coming
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