September 12, 2025 • 27 mins
Suspect arrested, identified in shooting of Charlie Kirk, officials say. What Some of the Bullet Casing Engravings in the Charlie Kirk Shooting Mean. Charlie Kirk's assassination sparks grief and rage online.
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so it's so cool to hear you all the time.
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Speaker 2 (01:08):
First of all, he is incapable of texting anybody, so
I know that that's a lot. Who is that I
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Well, thanks for coming in.
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You're gonna be here for the whole show, So we
have a lot to get to and I know that you.
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Know because you listen so religiously.
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But we have what you learned this week on the
Gary and Shannon Show that's coming up late. We're gonna
do our news nuggets to kind of end the week
and wrap this soule. I mean, this has been arguably
one of the busier weeks that we've seen in.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Years. Things.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Man, it is really heavy. It is a heavy one.
I told you that yesterday.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
There's a story we're gonna do a little bit later
actually about anxiety that comes up with people being notified
about news all the time. This is one of those
weeks where if you do subscribe to notifications for different
news outlets, it's constantly your phone is constantly reminding you
that there's new stuff going on. And yesterday I just
had to just tune out. You did it and just
(02:05):
went and played golf. I mean, that's it. Conversation had
nothing to do with anything pertinent to anything at all.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
You need it because, especially if you work in it,
you feel like obligated to be aware all the time
of what's happening, And especially yesterday, we were listening for
this press conference that didn't come until seven o'clock at night,
I think because we were hoping to get some more
information about this suspected shooter who we now know is
in custody. But the feeling I think of overwhelm with this,
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and I don't think that it's just this is unusual,
the sense of the weight of what happened this week
and the exposure to the actual event, starting from the
videos that circulated everywhere, the incredibly graphic video immediately that
play over and over and over on auto play. I
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think the psychological toil that that takes, especially if you
just are in it all the time, is not to
be underestimated.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Well, you mentioned Governor Spencer Cox of Utah came out
and he was the one who was kind of handling
most of the information today from this news conference this
morning and said good.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Morning, ladies and gentlemen, we got him. On the evening
of September eleventh, a family member of Tyler Robinson reached
out to a family friend who contacted the Washington County
Sheriff's office with information that Robinson had confessed to them
or implied that he had committed the incident.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
I'll get into Spencer Cox.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
He kind of went off on the more general aspect
of what this felt like, what it meant, what it
means for all of us. A couple of indications, though,
are a couple of interesting things about the actual evidence
in this case.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Investigators noted inscriptions that had been engraved on casings found
with the rifle. Inscriptions on a fired casing read notices
bulge's capitalwo's this question mark. Inscriptions on the three unfired
casings read hey fascist, exclamation point, catch, exclamation point, up
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arrow symbol, right arrow and symbol, and three down arrow symbols.
A second unfired casing read oh bellichow bella chow bella
chow chow chow. And a third unfired casing red if
you read this you are gay. LMAO.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Okay, there's something that is so weird about a sane
cogent person reading Oh yeah, the scribblings of an insane person.
And it's really odd when the inscription or whatever this
engraving how it was done, We don't know. I think
you mentioned that it would have been really difficult even
if it's a large sharpie, and that all of that
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also is Internet speak. It's all sort of coded like
it's four chan or read it, or even like references
to Konami code like I don't know the up up,
down down thing. I don't know what's speci typically there
are what other things he was referencing, but.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
It it is.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
It's just this really strange sense of this like meta
brain rotted version of a manifesto where back in the day,
even like go back to Dorner, Christopher Dorner, where there
was a many page long manifesto where I knew and
there may be one that comes out in this in
this instance, but where you see these signs in this
sort of meta narrative, it kind of reminds you of
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toxic fandom in general and sort of like identity, how
we add our identity to these actions that we do.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
It was funny yesterday I was doing a story.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
One aspect of it was that actual snipers, I mean
people who did that had commented on the location, the setup,
et cetera, and referred to this guy as an internet
shooter as opposed to a you know, actual qualified hunter
shooter because he would learn these things on the Internet,
which now we clearly know right like you said, the
brain was by discord and four chan and all that stuff.
(06:02):
All right, so we will continue this. We'll talk a
little bit more about this. There's specific impacts on our
freedom of speech. What that means is more speech good
is less speech good? However, we're going to do that
and then listen, we are going to move on. There
is other stuff that's going on, and we all need
an opportunity to kind of purge this and get through
a lot. Amd Andy Reesmeyer has joined us filling in
(06:24):
for Shannon today.
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just listened to it over and over and over again,
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from KTLA and also Sundays here on KFI. A couple
(06:53):
stories that we're following.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
We'll get back here to the Charlie Kirk investigation and
the arrest of a guy who apparently has confessed to
the shooting.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
We'll talk about that.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
But police in Colorado, you know, there's a school shooting
that happened almost exactly the same time that the assassination
of Charlie Kirk did. Police in Colorado have revealed the name.
They've also put out the driver's license photo of the
sixteen year old shooter at Ingoland High School. He shot
fellow a shot at fellow students before he killed himself,
(07:24):
and they said the motive in that has not been disclosed.
But in a news conference yesterday, they described the sixteen
year old as having been radicalized by some extremist network
and that they would offer some more explanation of that
at some point. But he did shoot two other kids
before he shot himself. One of those kids still in
(07:47):
the hospital.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
What's strange is that you can very very little read
into what that even means these days, as far as
radicalized by some extremist network, because as we know, especially
in the wake of the Charlie Kirk shooting, the amount
of vitriol and discourse is out of control and it's
crazy if you go far enough on either side. And
(08:10):
those are the voices obviously that always get amplified. It
is now a world of clout because I have this opinion,
I've got a crazy idea about this. Here's this conspiracy
theory that has a maybe kernel of truth to it.
I'm rewarded for having these views. It makes those outside views,
(08:31):
I think, seem more important or more relevant.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
In the old days, if you stood on the street
corner you were espousing some ridiculously radical theology of you know,
political I don't know, upheaval, whatever it is, people would
laugh at you. Yeah, and you and they would drive by.
You would never find anybody that would echo that same sentiment.
And I but now, because if you if you post
that on the Internet, the way algorithms work, the way
(08:55):
that they feed you what it is that they know
will attract you and keep you on social media sites,
think to yourself, oh, there are a lot of people
out there who think just like me.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
There was a day in the pandemic. I don't remember
how far, but it was deep in where I realized
that I was checking my phone constantly and I had
this like epiphany that it wasn't This phone was not
meant the apps everything, it's not meant to inform. No,
social media is not actually keeping me informed, it's keeping
(09:25):
me on the app.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah, we're talking about the arrest of a twenty two
year old guy named Tyler Robinson. Not going to spend
a lot of time on him or trying to glorify him.
But Spencer Cox, the governor of Utah, was the one
who came out and explained the arrest today, how he
came about being the suspect in the first place. Basically,
(09:47):
the tracking of the movements. They even have video now
that they can see this guy jumping off of the
roof where he was perched in order to peel off
that single shot that killed Charlie Kirk. And he explained
that this twenty two year old had become more and
more political recently.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
Investigators interviewed a family member of Robinson, who stated that
Robinson had become more political in recent years. The family
member referenced a recent incident in which Robinson came to
dinner prior to September tenth, and in the conversation with
another family member, Robinson mentioned Charlie Kirk was coming to UVU.
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They talked about why they didn't like him and the
viewpoints that he had. The family member also stated Kirk
was full of hate and spreading hate.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
I feel awful for the two other people who at
one point were detained and considered people of interest. I mean,
listen the fog of an event like that. It's not
unusual for somebody to be caught up and detained. But
the internet works too fast totally in times like that,
and we saw I mean, I remember covering this on
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Wednesday when it happened and seeing the images of wait
a minute, there's an old guy, old baring, white guy,
be in hell, you know, hold off and dragged off
by a series of you know, by a bunch of cops.
That well that I guess that could be a suspect.
That doesn't make any sense. It wouldn't fit anywhere. I mean,
I mean, didn't feel like no fit.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Wasn't wasn't like the idea that we had. I think
that people kind of suspected that the guy who they
ended up getting was what the guy.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Would have been.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Definitely fit the profile right away, and I think that
guy had just been known to disrupt political events in
Utah in the past. But I am amazed at which
the sort of uh hobbled response from the FBI, And
you've got the President coming out and basically being the
pio here who is who announcing the.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Delphin news this morning that they had arrestedself way before.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
And it just looks like, I don't know if he
stepped in and said, this is my thing, I'm taking
over now. Sorry, But you look at cash Mattel there
and the press conferences that we were told were gonna
happen yesterday, they got pushed way later, and you just think,
like did they were they really behind the ball on this?
And now it does seem like there was a lot
at least that was figured out overnight.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
All right, There's more to this we'll get into in
the next segment. Here what Spencer Cox says about this attack.
I mean, he got a lot of credit for Wednesday
when he kind of gave an impromptu reaction to this
very heartfelt reaction. He's had a little bit more time
to craft his message we'll play a little bit of
that for you. But also people now suggesting that, ironically
(12:29):
the speech that has come as a result of this
might be dangerous, and that's something that Charlie Kirk was
not afraid of. He was not afraid of dangerous speech necessarily.
So we'll talk about that.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
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Speaker 3 (12:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
I think we're gonna have disagreement about that. I say
it to troll you completely good. Of course, we are
talking about what no one can agree on. Yes, in America,
the best pace was the best you know space.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Congress, right, that's always hot space c Span. Russia and
Belarus nothing to see here have launched a major joint
military exercise today. Europe is still on high alert, of course,
because of the drone intrusion into Poland. The Zopod twenty
twenty five drills Zapod is Russian for the word West
(13:28):
being held in Russia and Belarus on the border with
NATO's Eastern flank in Moscow. The Defense Ministry said barks
of exercise will be held on Russian territory. Speaking of
Republicans have triggered the nuclear option to change some of
the rules in the Senate. It's not a sexy story,
but it is one of those that could come back
and bite Republicans in the ass, absolutely when there's a
(13:51):
democratic president anyway. So we'll talk about that when we
get into swamp Watch. We've been talking about the arrest
now of a suspect in Charlie kirk murder from just
the other day, and Spencer Cox, the governor in the
state of Utah, had an opportunity to kind of expand
on his comments from a couple of days ago when
(14:12):
he talked about the hurt that he felt the place
that we have found ourselves in society when it comes
to political violence.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
This is certainly about the tragic death assassination political assassination
of Charlie Kirk, but it is also much bigger than
an attack on an individual. It is an attack on
all of us. It is an attack on the American experiment,
(14:43):
It is an attack on our ideals. This cuts to
the very foundation of who we are, of who we
have been, and who we could be in better times.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
He's probably one of the more eloquent speakers in a
very tragic moment and has been able to encapsulate some
of that because listen, I don't know if he knew
Charlie Kirk personally, I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
But he strikes me as a guy who.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Realizes the grave nature of what this is and this
continuation of a string of violent acts driven solely by politics.
The New York Times talked to people, well, I guess
this morning, probably or at least in the past couple
days after this, no matter who they polled, no matter
(15:36):
what their politics were, people say they were deeply unsettled
after the killing of Charlie Kirk. And I think that
that is at least a little bit nice to hear
a sense of normalcy, because if you go and see
the way people reacting to it on the internet, it
is incredibly polarizing. I think you see people on the
(15:58):
left who are gleeful about this. It's a small representation,
I think of the way that most people are saying, well,
we are feeling.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
We mentioned that in that first segment, the idea that
the outsized attention that the margins get when it comes
to these things. There are plenty of videos out there
people cheering this or saying things like you brought this
upon yourself or at the very least and something like
I have zero sympathy for that guy. I do think
(16:26):
that those numbers are relatively small, but because of the
amplification of social media, we are afraid that there are
more people like that.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
I don't think we live in a world where people
want chaos. I think that was evidence by the lockdowns.
It's like there was this thought we were all going
to descend into civil war, right, But I think most
people just want to go about their day to day
existence and feel okay, and go home and take care
of their kids and go to dinner and watch their shows.
I don't think we are primed we have the stomach
(16:56):
for civil war. I hope nice. I would not I
don't really want the civil war wouldn't be.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
It'd be nice though, if we didn't have the I
got to clarify that people running down the clip it
Congressman Clay Higgins Ada Louisiana, I think is doing a
disservice to the idea of the ideals. I should say
that Charlie Kirk lived up to he wants to have
social media companies put lifetime bands on people who celebrated
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this act, and he wrote in a post on X Ironically,
I'm going to use congressional authority and every influence with
big tech platforms to mandate immediate band for life of
every post or commenter that belittled the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
I agree with.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Higgins in that that is an absolute asinine thing to
celebrate the death of another person in almost any context.
That just makes zero sense. You're inhumane if you do that.
But Clay Higgins, sitting in Congress, should know better than
to say we're going to use congressional power to do this.
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This is what's It's different if he says totally, if
he goes to Facebook and calls Mark Zuckerberg or gets
Elon Musk on the horn and goes, listen, I think
these guys are despicable and they should be banned from
your platform. And if Elon Musk makes that decision, fine,
he then lives with the consequences of censorship, or Mark
Zuckerberg the same thing, or whoever it might be that
(18:26):
runs these social media companies. But the whole, the whole
apple of this, the center of this is that Charlie
Kirk believed more speech was better than less speech.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
I mean the idea was this is exactly I hate
to say this phrase, but I've seen it a couple
of times now. He died doing what he loved, which
was speaking and having that dialogue we.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Were talking about earlier.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
It's very rare that a person in this day and
age just does that, goes somewhere where they go into
quote unquote enemy territory and they take time with other
people to challenge their beliefs, to talk about them. I mean,
the whole point of it was a celebration of the
thing that makes this country unique. And as soon as
you start to say, hey, I'm the government and I
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don't like the way people are saying things, it is
wholly un American. It's a complete affront to the idea
of free speech and a democracy. Elon Musk, like you said,
can choose to do that on his own. It's Twitter,
it's his ex excuse me. But when you're at a
point where it's like, are you missing what we're talking
about here? Is like missing the entire point of what
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I think we were celebrating by having this discourse. And
there's nobody I don't think, at least there's no other
influencers political influencers on the left who are doing this
kind of thing, who are going other places and trying
to have conversations.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
With definitely not to the scale that he was doing it,
and to you know, he kind of turned it into
an art form, if you will, and then made a
bunch of money on it.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Yeah, I mean he was doing fine.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
So anyway, if we get more updates, that is the
basic update on what's going on. They've arrested a guy,
twenty two year old man. They're out of Utah, and
if there's more details about his life or anything. You know,
you mentioned that the possibility of manifesto. If any of
that comes out, we'll break in all right, totally shifting
gears AI can help you relive your past in a
(20:29):
very very weirdly creative way.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
It's so interesting. We are just our matrix is real
and we are just descending in. We're just just plug
it right in the back.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
We were just like here we go. Baby.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
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Speaker 3 (20:48):
Gas.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
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Speaker 3 (21:20):
Very fun lots going on. Okay, there's a there's a
new would you say trend?
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Perhaps, Yeah, you could call this a trend and a
although I'll tell you what now that the New York
Times has it, it's it's probably it's probably done.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Video creators around social media are using video AI generative
generative tools like mid Journey and Da Vinci to make
i mean, spectacularly disturbingly realistic videos and if you're not
looking closely, I mean, thank god, my parents have can
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watch all of this from the Great bark a lounger
in the sky. They don't have to, they don't have
to try to determine if these things are real or not,
because I guarantee they wouldn't be able.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Well, that's what a lot of the conversation was that, Oh,
kids are getting tricked by this stuff. It's like no, no, no,
it's people who have lived most of their lives without
having to think that the video or the photo that
they're looking at is fake.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
They say that these AI hallucinations can sneak into shots.
You'll see six fingers on someone's hand or two or
something like that, right when you.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Didn't ask for it.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Tiny little, tiny little pieces that might give you an
indication that it's not necessarily real.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
It's a general sense of uncanny valley, if you're familiar
with the term, where you look at it and it
looks sort of plasticcene. It looks a little bit too
pristine and too nice.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
You can't tell what's what's wrong, but you know, you
know that's not a real person. So an AI generated
post from an Instagram account called Purist Nostalgia shows a
just a guy walking to work at like with a briefcase,
and the image of the text says, a peaceful Tuesday
morning in the nineteen eighties, just.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
A guy whose shortsleeve shirt walking down a street.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
I mean, it's nothing that would be different than if
that were an oil painting necessarily, but it's generated by
AI and it kind of goes back to this time, ironically,
when technology did not dominate our lives.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
There's a lot of this golden washed the feeling of
nostalgia is actually pumped into the sound. It's almost like
it's a filter. It's a filter of nostalgia of this
thing that was never real, that didn't happen, but people
are looking at it and sort of reminiscing as if
it was real, which is a weird sort of cognitive dissonance.
(23:47):
But I guess it's not terribly different than someone looking
at a piece of fiction saying, you know, you watch
liquoric pizza, for instance, the Paul Thomas Ammersteert Anderson movie.
Obviously that didn't happen. It's not factual. It existed in
a manufactured version of the nineteen seventies. A lot of
people who lived in the valley in the seventies look
at that and say, that brought me back to that time.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
It made me feel good.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
And I think nostalgia is such a powerful tool for
people who feel so lost today.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Well, I mean your point of we're just descending deeper
into the matrix. Now though whatever the plug is it's
in the back of our heads, is getting a higher
BOD rate than it had in the past.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Well, and the difference is that this stuff is able
to be created at such a scale so quickly.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
And on what turns out to be a relatively simple prompt. Usually,
you know, if you've used any of these image generators,
the video generators, it does not take a lot of
creativity on your part to come up with create a
bugle boy jeans ad from nineteen ninety four, and it
nails it.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
That's why is that on your mind? Oh?
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Because of the image here?
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Oh okay, this one on the front that's associated with this
article that's not just bumping.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Around Gary's brain. Bugle boy gens, google boy jeans. I
still I have some, do you?
Speaker 5 (25:00):
No?
Speaker 2 (25:01):
I don't, But I mean, doesn't that exactly look like
a bugle boy jeans?
Speaker 3 (25:04):
It does?
Speaker 5 (25:05):
You?
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Guys stylishly dressed, one white, one black. They're kind of
kicking it.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Oh, it's very Land's End, It's very French connection, United Kingdom.
I love this, I will say, because to me, this
is innocuous This is the kind of AI that I
want it used for low effort content that does not
radicalize anybody, that just exists sort of to pascify you
and chill you out and make you feel like, hey,
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things are not as crazy. I will take these videos
a million to one over all, the videos that have
populated my feed the last four days, three days.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
That is probably a good point.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
But then you're dealing with AI as our dopamine.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Well, you know, and that's true, I suppose.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
I mean, that is better than it being the gasoline
that's thrown onto the societal fire.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
But it is a weird.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I've tried to use it a couple of times I
kind of run out of.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
I will.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
For example, I was going to have AI generate an
old poster, like a seventy posture for this show, and
I could never get it.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
I could never take the time to manipulate it just right,
wait so prompt.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Even it doing it all for you was too much
effort for you. It's not that it was effort, it
was that I started feeling gross. I started realizing, wait
a minute, I could have a friend or a graphic
designer or somebody like could actually have a human do this,
but I'm trying to manipulate the computer into doing it.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
No, I think that that's a really fair thing.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
And I think especially if you look at this stuff
and it's being passed off as real, it's a very
unsettling feeling. It goes back to the Uncanny Valley thing
where you think AI can be used for slop. No
one is doing this because they're trying to make art.
They're trying to get followers and sort of build a
community on the internet. But I think that there is
a world where I don't like the idea of it
being used AI being used to replace things that people
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do because they're passionate about them.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Yeah, I love it being a good calculator.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
I like it figuring out how to organize my slippers,
sure of which I have so many.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
I was just gonna say that's a heavy task. It's
a there's a dream in terry cloth. I'll say that much.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
But I don't like that there's people who maybe could
have done this on their own and made money doing it,
but there's no way they can do it because they
can't keep up with all the other AI creators who
are doing it.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
All right, when we come back an update on the
Ben Carlson Foundation. We introduced you to the Ben Carlson
Foundation last year at one of our News and Bruce
and they have an event coming up also Tearing the Skies.
Just around the corner. Gary and Shannon will continue right
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Shannon still out, should be back on the show on Monday.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
So in herstead today we have.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Elmer give me that little computer that's got all the
funny sounds on it.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Today. Andy Reesmeyer, whoa but also from KFI.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Yeah, yeah, Andy, if you've been hearing, has been doing
the show on Sunday afternoons from two to four. But
fulfilling that time, by the way, because we were having
a really hard to Two hours of silence on a
Sunday afternoon still sets the alarms off, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
And honestly sets the barrier to entry is very low there.
You know, the expectation for me to just make sure
that it's not silent for two hours. I can do that.
I cannot promise anything else. But it is really fun.
I love KFI and I've loved this radio station for
a long time.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Love radio.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
My aunt was in radio, and it's been really fun
and I'm very appreciative that you and somebody other people
have welcomed me here. Handle especially he just he texts
me all the time and He's like, Man, I'm just
so it's so cool to hear you all the time.
I love what you did that bit about.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
First of all, he is incapable of texting anybody, so
I know that that's a lot. Who is that I
have no idea, but it's not him.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Well, thanks for coming in.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
You're gonna be here for the whole show, So we
have a lot to get to and I know that you.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Know because you listen so religiously.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
But we have what you learned this week on the
Gary and Shannon Show that's coming up late. We're gonna
do our news nuggets to kind of end the week
and wrap this soule. I mean, this has been arguably
one of the busier weeks that we've seen in.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Years. Things.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Man, it is really heavy. It is a heavy one.
I told you that yesterday.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
There's a story we're gonna do a little bit later
actually about anxiety that comes up with people being notified
about news all the time. This is one of those
weeks where if you do subscribe to notifications for different
news outlets, it's constantly your phone is constantly reminding you
that there's new stuff going on. And yesterday I just
had to just tune out. You did it and just
(02:05):
went and played golf. I mean, that's it. Conversation had
nothing to do with anything pertinent to anything at all.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
You need it because, especially if you work in it,
you feel like obligated to be aware all the time
of what's happening, And especially yesterday, we were listening for
this press conference that didn't come until seven o'clock at night,
I think because we were hoping to get some more
information about this suspected shooter who we now know is
in custody. But the feeling I think of overwhelm with this,
(02:34):
and I don't think that it's just this is unusual,
the sense of the weight of what happened this week
and the exposure to the actual event, starting from the
videos that circulated everywhere, the incredibly graphic video immediately that
play over and over and over on auto play. I
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think the psychological toil that that takes, especially if you
just are in it all the time, is not to
be underestimated.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Well, you mentioned Governor Spencer Cox of Utah came out
and he was the one who was kind of handling
most of the information today from this news conference this
morning and said good.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Morning, ladies and gentlemen, we got him. On the evening
of September eleventh, a family member of Tyler Robinson reached
out to a family friend who contacted the Washington County
Sheriff's office with information that Robinson had confessed to them
or implied that he had committed the incident.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
I'll get into Spencer Cox.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
He kind of went off on the more general aspect
of what this felt like, what it meant, what it
means for all of us. A couple of indications, though,
are a couple of interesting things about the actual evidence
in this case.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Investigators noted inscriptions that had been engraved on casings found
with the rifle. Inscriptions on a fired casing read notices
bulge's capitalwo's this question mark. Inscriptions on the three unfired
casings read hey fascist, exclamation point, catch, exclamation point, up
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arrow symbol, right arrow and symbol, and three down arrow symbols.
A second unfired casing read oh bellichow bella chow bella
chow chow chow. And a third unfired casing red if
you read this you are gay. LMAO.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Okay, there's something that is so weird about a sane
cogent person reading Oh yeah, the scribblings of an insane person.
And it's really odd when the inscription or whatever this
engraving how it was done, We don't know. I think
you mentioned that it would have been really difficult even
if it's a large sharpie, and that all of that
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also is Internet speak. It's all sort of coded like
it's four chan or read it, or even like references
to Konami code like I don't know the up up,
down down thing. I don't know what's speci typically there
are what other things he was referencing, but.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
It it is.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
It's just this really strange sense of this like meta
brain rotted version of a manifesto where back in the day,
even like go back to Dorner, Christopher Dorner, where there
was a many page long manifesto where I knew and
there may be one that comes out in this in
this instance, but where you see these signs in this
sort of meta narrative, it kind of reminds you of
(05:29):
toxic fandom in general and sort of like identity, how
we add our identity to these actions that we do.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
It was funny yesterday I was doing a story.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
One aspect of it was that actual snipers, I mean
people who did that had commented on the location, the setup,
et cetera, and referred to this guy as an internet
shooter as opposed to a you know, actual qualified hunter
shooter because he would learn these things on the Internet,
which now we clearly know right like you said, the
brain was by discord and four chan and all that stuff.
(06:02):
All right, so we will continue this. We'll talk a
little bit more about this. There's specific impacts on our
freedom of speech. What that means is more speech good
is less speech good? However, we're going to do that
and then listen, we are going to move on. There
is other stuff that's going on, and we all need
an opportunity to kind of purge this and get through
a lot. Amd Andy Reesmeyer has joined us filling in
(06:24):
for Shannon today.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
If there's a way to wear grooves into a seducity,
you did, We did that, Lauren Hill Lasers. I believe
one was stuck in my babysitters Ford Explorer in the
CD changer and it would never come out. So we
just listened to it over and over and over again,
makes sense the good record. Andy Reesmeyer has joined us
from KTLA and also Sundays here on KFI. A couple
(06:53):
stories that we're following.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
We'll get back here to the Charlie Kirk investigation and
the arrest of a guy who apparently has confessed to
the shooting.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
We'll talk about that.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
But police in Colorado, you know, there's a school shooting
that happened almost exactly the same time that the assassination
of Charlie Kirk did. Police in Colorado have revealed the name.
They've also put out the driver's license photo of the
sixteen year old shooter at Ingoland High School. He shot
fellow a shot at fellow students before he killed himself,
(07:24):
and they said the motive in that has not been disclosed.
But in a news conference yesterday, they described the sixteen
year old as having been radicalized by some extremist network
and that they would offer some more explanation of that
at some point. But he did shoot two other kids
before he shot himself. One of those kids still in
(07:47):
the hospital.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
What's strange is that you can very very little read
into what that even means these days, as far as
radicalized by some extremist network, because as we know, especially
in the wake of the Charlie Kirk shooting, the amount
of vitriol and discourse is out of control and it's
crazy if you go far enough on either side. And
(08:10):
those are the voices obviously that always get amplified. It
is now a world of clout because I have this opinion,
I've got a crazy idea about this. Here's this conspiracy
theory that has a maybe kernel of truth to it.
I'm rewarded for having these views. It makes those outside views,
(08:31):
I think, seem more important or more relevant.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
In the old days, if you stood on the street
corner you were espousing some ridiculously radical theology of you know,
political I don't know, upheaval, whatever it is, people would
laugh at you. Yeah, and you and they would drive by.
You would never find anybody that would echo that same sentiment.
And I but now, because if you if you post
that on the Internet, the way algorithms work, the way
(08:55):
that they feed you what it is that they know
will attract you and keep you on social media sites,
think to yourself, oh, there are a lot of people
out there who think just like me.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
There was a day in the pandemic. I don't remember
how far, but it was deep in where I realized
that I was checking my phone constantly and I had
this like epiphany that it wasn't This phone was not
meant the apps everything, it's not meant to inform. No,
social media is not actually keeping me informed, it's keeping
(09:25):
me on the app.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah, we're talking about the arrest of a twenty two
year old guy named Tyler Robinson. Not going to spend
a lot of time on him or trying to glorify him.
But Spencer Cox, the governor of Utah, was the one
who came out and explained the arrest today, how he
came about being the suspect in the first place. Basically,
(09:47):
the tracking of the movements. They even have video now
that they can see this guy jumping off of the
roof where he was perched in order to peel off
that single shot that killed Charlie Kirk. And he explained
that this twenty two year old had become more and
more political recently.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
Investigators interviewed a family member of Robinson, who stated that
Robinson had become more political in recent years. The family
member referenced a recent incident in which Robinson came to
dinner prior to September tenth, and in the conversation with
another family member, Robinson mentioned Charlie Kirk was coming to UVU.
(10:24):
They talked about why they didn't like him and the
viewpoints that he had. The family member also stated Kirk
was full of hate and spreading hate.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
I feel awful for the two other people who at
one point were detained and considered people of interest. I mean,
listen the fog of an event like that. It's not
unusual for somebody to be caught up and detained. But
the internet works too fast totally in times like that,
and we saw I mean, I remember covering this on
(10:57):
Wednesday when it happened and seeing the images of wait
a minute, there's an old guy, old baring, white guy,
be in hell, you know, hold off and dragged off
by a series of you know, by a bunch of cops.
That well that I guess that could be a suspect.
That doesn't make any sense. It wouldn't fit anywhere. I mean,
I mean, didn't feel like no fit.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Wasn't wasn't like the idea that we had. I think
that people kind of suspected that the guy who they
ended up getting was what the guy.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Would have been.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Definitely fit the profile right away, and I think that
guy had just been known to disrupt political events in
Utah in the past. But I am amazed at which
the sort of uh hobbled response from the FBI, And
you've got the President coming out and basically being the
pio here who is who announcing the.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Delphin news this morning that they had arrestedself way before.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
And it just looks like, I don't know if he
stepped in and said, this is my thing, I'm taking
over now. Sorry, But you look at cash Mattel there
and the press conferences that we were told were gonna
happen yesterday, they got pushed way later, and you just think,
like did they were they really behind the ball on this?
And now it does seem like there was a lot
at least that was figured out overnight.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
All right, There's more to this we'll get into in
the next segment. Here what Spencer Cox says about this attack.
I mean, he got a lot of credit for Wednesday
when he kind of gave an impromptu reaction to this
very heartfelt reaction. He's had a little bit more time
to craft his message we'll play a little bit of
that for you. But also people now suggesting that, ironically
(12:29):
the speech that has come as a result of this
might be dangerous, and that's something that Charlie Kirk was
not afraid of. He was not afraid of dangerous speech necessarily.
So we'll talk about that.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
I think we're gonna have disagreement about that. I say
it to troll you completely good. Of course, we are
talking about what no one can agree on. Yes, in America,
the best pace was the best you know space.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Congress, right, that's always hot space c Span. Russia and
Belarus nothing to see here have launched a major joint
military exercise today. Europe is still on high alert, of course,
because of the drone intrusion into Poland. The Zopod twenty
twenty five drills Zapod is Russian for the word West
(13:28):
being held in Russia and Belarus on the border with
NATO's Eastern flank in Moscow. The Defense Ministry said barks
of exercise will be held on Russian territory. Speaking of
Republicans have triggered the nuclear option to change some of
the rules in the Senate. It's not a sexy story,
but it is one of those that could come back
and bite Republicans in the ass, absolutely when there's a
(13:51):
democratic president anyway. So we'll talk about that when we
get into swamp Watch. We've been talking about the arrest
now of a suspect in Charlie kirk murder from just
the other day, and Spencer Cox, the governor in the
state of Utah, had an opportunity to kind of expand
on his comments from a couple of days ago when
(14:12):
he talked about the hurt that he felt the place
that we have found ourselves in society when it comes
to political violence.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
This is certainly about the tragic death assassination political assassination
of Charlie Kirk, but it is also much bigger than
an attack on an individual. It is an attack on
all of us. It is an attack on the American experiment,
(14:43):
It is an attack on our ideals. This cuts to
the very foundation of who we are, of who we
have been, and who we could be in better times.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
He's probably one of the more eloquent speakers in a
very tragic moment and has been able to encapsulate some
of that because listen, I don't know if he knew
Charlie Kirk personally, I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
But he strikes me as a guy who.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Realizes the grave nature of what this is and this
continuation of a string of violent acts driven solely by politics.
The New York Times talked to people, well, I guess
this morning, probably or at least in the past couple
days after this, no matter who they polled, no matter
(15:36):
what their politics were, people say they were deeply unsettled
after the killing of Charlie Kirk. And I think that
that is at least a little bit nice to hear
a sense of normalcy, because if you go and see
the way people reacting to it on the internet, it
is incredibly polarizing. I think you see people on the
(15:58):
left who are gleeful about this. It's a small representation,
I think of the way that most people are saying, well,
we are feeling.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
We mentioned that in that first segment, the idea that
the outsized attention that the margins get when it comes
to these things. There are plenty of videos out there
people cheering this or saying things like you brought this
upon yourself or at the very least and something like
I have zero sympathy for that guy. I do think
(16:26):
that those numbers are relatively small, but because of the
amplification of social media, we are afraid that there are
more people like that.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
I don't think we live in a world where people
want chaos. I think that was evidence by the lockdowns.
It's like there was this thought we were all going
to descend into civil war, right, But I think most
people just want to go about their day to day
existence and feel okay, and go home and take care
of their kids and go to dinner and watch their shows.
I don't think we are primed we have the stomach
(16:56):
for civil war. I hope nice. I would not I
don't really want the civil war wouldn't be.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
It'd be nice though, if we didn't have the I
got to clarify that people running down the clip it
Congressman Clay Higgins Ada Louisiana, I think is doing a
disservice to the idea of the ideals. I should say
that Charlie Kirk lived up to he wants to have
social media companies put lifetime bands on people who celebrated
(17:26):
this act, and he wrote in a post on X Ironically,
I'm going to use congressional authority and every influence with
big tech platforms to mandate immediate band for life of
every post or commenter that belittled the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
I agree with.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Higgins in that that is an absolute asinine thing to
celebrate the death of another person in almost any context.
That just makes zero sense. You're inhumane if you do that.
But Clay Higgins, sitting in Congress, should know better than
to say we're going to use congressional power to do this.
(18:03):
This is what's It's different if he says totally, if
he goes to Facebook and calls Mark Zuckerberg or gets
Elon Musk on the horn and goes, listen, I think
these guys are despicable and they should be banned from
your platform. And if Elon Musk makes that decision, fine,
he then lives with the consequences of censorship, or Mark
Zuckerberg the same thing, or whoever it might be that
(18:26):
runs these social media companies. But the whole, the whole
apple of this, the center of this is that Charlie
Kirk believed more speech was better than less speech.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
I mean the idea was this is exactly I hate
to say this phrase, but I've seen it a couple
of times now. He died doing what he loved, which
was speaking and having that dialogue we.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Were talking about earlier.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
It's very rare that a person in this day and
age just does that, goes somewhere where they go into
quote unquote enemy territory and they take time with other
people to challenge their beliefs, to talk about them. I mean,
the whole point of it was a celebration of the
thing that makes this country unique. And as soon as
you start to say, hey, I'm the government and I
(19:16):
don't like the way people are saying things, it is
wholly un American. It's a complete affront to the idea
of free speech and a democracy. Elon Musk, like you said,
can choose to do that on his own. It's Twitter,
it's his ex excuse me. But when you're at a
point where it's like, are you missing what we're talking
about here? Is like missing the entire point of what
(19:39):
I think we were celebrating by having this discourse. And
there's nobody I don't think, at least there's no other
influencers political influencers on the left who are doing this
kind of thing, who are going other places and trying
to have conversations.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
With definitely not to the scale that he was doing it,
and to you know, he kind of turned it into
an art form, if you will, and then made a
bunch of money on it.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Yeah, I mean he was doing fine.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
So anyway, if we get more updates, that is the
basic update on what's going on. They've arrested a guy,
twenty two year old man. They're out of Utah, and
if there's more details about his life or anything. You know,
you mentioned that the possibility of manifesto. If any of
that comes out, we'll break in all right, totally shifting
gears AI can help you relive your past in a
(20:29):
very very weirdly creative way.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
It's so interesting. We are just our matrix is real
and we are just descending in. We're just just plug
it right in the back.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
We were just like here we go. Baby.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Gas.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Fantasy four Players coming up in the twelve o'clock hour.
There's a four games on the NFL doc at this
weekend that we are going to try to pick the
winners for We did have a couple of winners last
week in Week one, and we'll give you the idea.
We'll give you the four games as we get a
little bit closer. Packers beat the Commanders last night twenty
seven eighteen on primetime football. Angels fell to the Mariners.
(21:11):
It took twelve innings, but the Mariners won seven to six.
Last night up in Seattle and the Dodgers in San
Francisco for a weekend series against the Giants.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Very fun lots going on. Okay, there's a there's a
new would you say trend?
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Perhaps, Yeah, you could call this a trend and a
although I'll tell you what now that the New York
Times has it, it's it's probably it's probably done.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Video creators around social media are using video AI generative
generative tools like mid Journey and Da Vinci to make
i mean, spectacularly disturbingly realistic videos and if you're not
looking closely, I mean, thank god, my parents have can
(22:00):
watch all of this from the Great bark a lounger
in the sky. They don't have to, they don't have
to try to determine if these things are real or not,
because I guarantee they wouldn't be able.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Well, that's what a lot of the conversation was that, Oh,
kids are getting tricked by this stuff. It's like no, no, no,
it's people who have lived most of their lives without
having to think that the video or the photo that
they're looking at is fake.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
They say that these AI hallucinations can sneak into shots.
You'll see six fingers on someone's hand or two or
something like that, right when you.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Didn't ask for it.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Tiny little, tiny little pieces that might give you an
indication that it's not necessarily real.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
It's a general sense of uncanny valley, if you're familiar
with the term, where you look at it and it
looks sort of plasticcene. It looks a little bit too
pristine and too nice.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
You can't tell what's what's wrong, but you know, you
know that's not a real person. So an AI generated
post from an Instagram account called Purist Nostalgia shows a
just a guy walking to work at like with a briefcase,
and the image of the text says, a peaceful Tuesday
morning in the nineteen eighties, just.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
A guy whose shortsleeve shirt walking down a street.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
I mean, it's nothing that would be different than if
that were an oil painting necessarily, but it's generated by
AI and it kind of goes back to this time, ironically,
when technology did not dominate our lives.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
There's a lot of this golden washed the feeling of
nostalgia is actually pumped into the sound. It's almost like
it's a filter. It's a filter of nostalgia of this
thing that was never real, that didn't happen, but people
are looking at it and sort of reminiscing as if
it was real, which is a weird sort of cognitive dissonance.
(23:47):
But I guess it's not terribly different than someone looking
at a piece of fiction saying, you know, you watch
liquoric pizza, for instance, the Paul Thomas Ammersteert Anderson movie.
Obviously that didn't happen. It's not factual. It existed in
a manufactured version of the nineteen seventies. A lot of
people who lived in the valley in the seventies look
at that and say, that brought me back to that time.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
It made me feel good.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
And I think nostalgia is such a powerful tool for
people who feel so lost today.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Well, I mean your point of we're just descending deeper
into the matrix. Now though whatever the plug is it's
in the back of our heads, is getting a higher
BOD rate than it had in the past.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Well, and the difference is that this stuff is able
to be created at such a scale so quickly.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
And on what turns out to be a relatively simple prompt. Usually,
you know, if you've used any of these image generators,
the video generators, it does not take a lot of
creativity on your part to come up with create a
bugle boy jeans ad from nineteen ninety four, and it
nails it.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
That's why is that on your mind? Oh?
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Because of the image here?
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Oh okay, this one on the front that's associated with this
article that's not just bumping.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Around Gary's brain. Bugle boy gens, google boy jeans. I
still I have some, do you?
Speaker 5 (25:00):
No?
Speaker 2 (25:01):
I don't, But I mean, doesn't that exactly look like
a bugle boy jeans?
Speaker 3 (25:04):
It does?
Speaker 5 (25:05):
You?
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Guys stylishly dressed, one white, one black. They're kind of
kicking it.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Oh, it's very Land's End, It's very French connection, United Kingdom.
I love this, I will say, because to me, this
is innocuous This is the kind of AI that I
want it used for low effort content that does not
radicalize anybody, that just exists sort of to pascify you
and chill you out and make you feel like, hey,
(25:30):
things are not as crazy. I will take these videos
a million to one over all, the videos that have
populated my feed the last four days, three days.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
That is probably a good point.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
But then you're dealing with AI as our dopamine.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Well, you know, and that's true, I suppose.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
I mean, that is better than it being the gasoline
that's thrown onto the societal fire.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
But it is a weird.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I've tried to use it a couple of times I
kind of run out of.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
I will.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
For example, I was going to have AI generate an
old poster, like a seventy posture for this show, and
I could never get it.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
I could never take the time to manipulate it just right,
wait so prompt.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Even it doing it all for you was too much
effort for you. It's not that it was effort, it
was that I started feeling gross. I started realizing, wait
a minute, I could have a friend or a graphic
designer or somebody like could actually have a human do this,
but I'm trying to manipulate the computer into doing it.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
No, I think that that's a really fair thing.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
And I think especially if you look at this stuff
and it's being passed off as real, it's a very
unsettling feeling. It goes back to the Uncanny Valley thing
where you think AI can be used for slop. No
one is doing this because they're trying to make art.
They're trying to get followers and sort of build a
community on the internet. But I think that there is
a world where I don't like the idea of it
being used AI being used to replace things that people
(27:00):
do because they're passionate about them.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Yeah, I love it being a good calculator.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
I like it figuring out how to organize my slippers,
sure of which I have so many.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
I was just gonna say that's a heavy task. It's
a there's a dream in terry cloth. I'll say that much.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
But I don't like that there's people who maybe could
have done this on their own and made money doing it,
but there's no way they can do it because they
can't keep up with all the other AI creators who
are doing it.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
All right, when we come back an update on the
Ben Carlson Foundation. We introduced you to the Ben Carlson
Foundation last year at one of our News and Bruce
and they have an event coming up also Tearing the Skies.
Just around the corner. Gary and Shannon will continue right
after this. You've been listening to The Gary and Shannon Show.
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