December 3, 2025 • 31 mins
It’s a packed episode of #SwampWatch, breaking down the latest political shake-ups. Then we pivot to one of the wildest stories of the week—a drunk raccoon in Virginia that had an entire neighborhood talking. And rounding it all out, Justin Worsham joins for another sharp, funny session of Parenting, offering insights and laughs every parent can relate to.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
A M six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on
demand on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
A bunch of stuff going on Ukraine and it's European
allies have accused Russian President Putin of feigning interest in
these peace efforts, and in fact a lot of it
is being driven by Washington, DC.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
So let's start there with the swamp Watch. Swamp Watch,
I'm a cheat and a liar, and when I'm not
kissing babies, I'm stealing that lollipops.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Here we got.
Speaker 5 (00:34):
The real problem is that our leaders are done.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
The other side never quits what.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
I'm not going anywhere. So now you train the.
Speaker 6 (00:44):
Squat, I can imagine what can be and be unburdened
by what has been.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
You know, Murvans have always been going at President. They're
not stupid.
Speaker 7 (00:52):
A political plunder is when a politician actually tells the truth.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Have people voted for.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
You were not swamp watch, They're all condonoing.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
We know the peace plan continues to make its way
through the leadership in both Ukraine and Russia, and we
do know that there are very high level talks going on.
Steve Witkoff and Dimple's Kushner, along with Secretary of State
Marco Rubio. We're all going to be in Moscow as
they try to get some sort of plan ready to
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present to both Ukraine and Russia as they try to
get to this peace deal. But Vladimir Putin has been
I guess you could say, at least sounding the alarm
for potential conflict with NATO. He said that Europe is
threatening war and in fact Ukraine peace talks could falter.
(01:43):
He said, this is Putin. We agree on some things
while others. This is one of the presidential aids. We
agreed on some things while others cause criticism. President Putin
also made no secret of our critical, even negative attitude
towards a number of proposals.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
But the main thing is.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
That we had a very useful discussion, constructive, highly informative
as well, still miles apart when it comes to both
sides agreeing to all of this, specifically because the twenty
eight point plan that we have now in front of
us Moscow is demanding that Kiev give up a bunch
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of the occupied territory in the eastern half of Ukraine.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
The very latest on the boat strike in the Caribbean
is all centered around Defense Secretary Pete haig Seth, and
he said for the first time at a cabinet meeting
yesterday that that second strike that's in question, the second strike,
did it come when they knew there were survivors and
struck anyway? He said, and this was his verbiage, which
is important, that they sunk the boat with that second
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strike and eliminated the threat.
Speaker 6 (02:48):
In framing the strike.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
As sinking the boat specifically targeting the boat, what they're
doing is they're mirror mirroring the language used in a
Justice Department official use when it comes to the Office
of Legal Counsel. The memo basically blessing the strikes, saying
that this was an official use of a strike to
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sink that boat as opposed to kill those people, technically
putting the attack on the firmist legal ground. The watchers
are saying legal watchers, since questions surfaced about the incident,
that if you can make it about the boat and
not the people clinging to life, that you're on firmer
legal ground and you'll see how this plays out.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
We also brought up the earlier when we were talking
about it, the Secretary Defense did use the term fog
of war. He was describing that he himself didn't see
two survivors of the original attack clinging to the boat wreckage,
and that it was fog of war because of the
grainy footage, etc.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
That was available to him.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
And it would be curious to see if that even
if it's a mistake, if it goes so far as
to say that it was a mistake to order that
second and strike.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Is that enough of a defense?
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Right?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Can you claim fog of war when you're watching behind
a computer screen, not in the arena of said war.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
The admiral, by the way that they are pinning this
on Frank Bradley, Frank Mitchell Bradley, I believe his name is.
He is expected to be on Capitol Hill tomorrow answering
questions from lawmakers about all of this. Yesterday special election
in the seventh district in Tennessee seventh Congressional District, Republican
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Matt Van Epps held off a challenge from Democrat Afton
Baine in this special election, And this was one of
those closely watched things before we get to the midterms
next year because of the potential for it to have
an impact or at least be a bellweather for what
we saw going into, sorry, going into the next year's elections.
(04:55):
And to give an idea at this, we know that
President Trump won seventh District in Tennessee by twenty two
points last year. She the Democrat Afton Baine, was pulling
very closely to the Republican and he only ended up
winning by about nine points.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
This was Matt Vanipps last night.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
Thank you to President Trump for his early and strong endorsement.
It made all the difference in this race. It carried
us to victory and we could not be happier with
this resounding win.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
But you can't ignore it.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
That's a thirteen point shift in towards the Democrats in
that district. Those kinds of gains by the opposition party
in special elections have often shown that the sitting party
or the party with the control at least in the
White House is going to get absolutely spanned next year
(05:45):
in the midterm. So we shall see where how it
plays out. But at this point, a thirteen point swing
from President Trump winning the seventh district by twenty two
points to this Republican winning by just nine points in
yesterday's yesterday special election.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
All right, coming up next. Have you heard about this squirrel?
I'm sorry, it was a raccoon. I keep thinking it's
a squirrel, But it's a raccoon, a more dangerous, more aggressive.
Albeit sometimes squirrels can be equally aggressive as a raccoon.
But this raccoon is really all of us during the holidays,
family drives us to.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
Drink. Frankly, period, I.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
See in your eyes some memories that are very Yeah,
I close to the surface.
Speaker 6 (06:27):
This raccoon was going through it.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
You know.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
The raccoon was tired of the holidays already. He realizes
that it's a short time till Christmas. In between Thanksgiving
and Christmas, he's maybe not ready with all his Christmas shopping.
He's overwhelmed, frankly, and we'll tell you what he did
in response when we return.
Speaker 8 (06:43):
Hey, good morning, guys. Hey, speaking of pictures, just came
across a couple of pictures of you guys yesterday at
the White House. Gary, you clean up very nicely, Shannon,
you look fantastic, brand new jeans out of the box,
lipstick that was to die for. And I'm glad you guys.
We had a good time and things went well.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yes, the postathon was spectacular. Were those brand new genes?
Speaker 6 (07:06):
Those were not?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
I didn't think so, but hey, they were new to him.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
I mean there was holes in them all over the place.
Should have been a tip off.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Another round of Santa Ana winds returns to southern California.
The wind advisory is going to be in effect through
three o'clock tomorrow tomorrow afternoons. Some of the impacted areas
include Ventura County, the coast right along Malibu, their San
Gabriel Mountains, and the Santa Karita Valley as well.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
There was a raccoon. This was sent to us by
eight or nine people. People saw this story and they
thought of us, And I don't know.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Why, because it's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
We do like small, furry, aggressive animals. We've spent a
lot of time on this show talking about squirrels and
the like.
Speaker 6 (08:01):
Have we not sure?
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Tis you hate them?
Speaker 6 (08:04):
Yeah? I have a family of raccoons that prefers to do.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
I don't know if they're a family. They may just
be a group of friends friend group of raccoons.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Maybe they're stranger raccoons that just get together to crap
on my roof. But nevertheless, that's what they do. They
prefer to do their business on the roof. Sometimes you
can hear them hopping up to the roof.
Speaker 6 (08:23):
You can hear them.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Little roll of raccoon.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Toilet paper, and then they drop their things and then
they go away. Never really encounter them. Maybe once encountered
a raccoon in the backyard. But there's there's they prefer. Listen,
you have a favorite toilet, don't.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
You No, it's the closest one.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I guess that's my favorite. There you go, Okay, there
you go. So that's kind of my experience with raccoons.
But I've heard of people encountering raccoons and they can
be very mean.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
Now are they mean? Are they just aggressive to survive?
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Is it?
Speaker 6 (08:59):
Are they just a mean people?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
I mean, we used to have raccoons in our yard
all the time in Seattle when we were living just
outside of Seattle, and my son used to love sitting
by the sliding glass door and watch them. They'd walk
across the deck and sometimes they'd stop and kind of
play right in front of him. They never they never
appeared mean, But then again, we're separated by a quarter
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inch of glass, so it's not like.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
And your son's very cute, right, well, you know when
he was a child. It's weird now that he's twenty
five from you to say it's cut twenty six.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Stop it.
Speaker 6 (09:32):
I'm not willing to admit.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
But yes, so I never experienced them being mean, but
I've heard a lot of stories about how they can
just they'll tear you up if you get because each
of their little human like hands has the claws on
them that will destroy a nice sweater.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Well, this raccoon was dealing with the holidays and it
found itself passed out in the bathroom. After breaking into
and ransacking a liquor store, this raccoon went for it.
This raccoon did not break into the liquor store just
to browse this liquor store. This raccoon did not break
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into the liquor store just to break in and take
a couple of those little baby airplane bottles, you know
up front. No, he got into the aisles and from footage,
he was mixing browns and clears and wines and malt liquor,
and he was breaking all the liquor rules by himself.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
In the South, they say he was getting after it,
and he was getting after all of it.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
In this case, I mean he did not discriminate whiskey
to kil a kalua all of the bottles. And the
thing is is he wasn't polite about it. These bottles
that this raccoon got into are littering the entire liquor store,
broken glass everywhere. And there he is in the bathroom
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where he found The officers found him passed out.
Speaker 6 (11:04):
This is a drunk ass raccoon.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I have questions about that. Did the raccoon go into
the bathroom like all of us would because he had the.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
Yak in his favorite toilet?
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah, and I just think he broke the celia.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
I think he just passed that before.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
So Yeah, and he is fully spluted.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
He has spluted.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
That means that he is on his belly.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
He's got his front paws out and his back paws
out as well. He is Maybe he just needed the
cool feeling of the tile floor there in the west.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
What sent this raccoon over the edge? Was it Thanksgiving?
Was it a mother in law who stayed inside the
raccoon nest? Maybe more than seventy two hours.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Yeah, because he was out by himself. I mean, he
had to get out.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
He had to get out.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Where do raccoons live? Do they live in raccoon nests?
Do they live in do they have little caves that
they make? Where do they sleep? Do they sleep altogether?
Like a raccoon den? How does it work? In the cartoons?
Speaker 2 (12:02):
It would be in a hollowed out tree, I assume,
So maybe a hollowed out tree to a raccoon is
like a condo of some kind.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah, hollow trees, ground burrows, brush piles, rock crevices. When
I'm looking at these hollowed out tree holes, there's not
a lot of room in there. It's kind of like
my house, which is very small. If somebody comes and
stays with us, it's like a hollowed out tree. And
I often do feel like a raccoon.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
You know that makes sense?
Speaker 6 (12:33):
Why you haven't invited me over it? I haven't.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
They have not a few years? Was it because of
the last time.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
I don't know what will happened the last time?
Speaker 5 (12:45):
I Yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Invited you so long. I really took that COVID ball
and ran with it.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
I was like, no again, I still don't. You could come,
but you're gonna have to wear a mask if you
come over.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
That's what you've said. So that's why we haven't, uh,
that's why we haven't been able to come over. The
raccoon did recover it the shelter there in Hannover, Virginia.
They said one of the animal control officers quote safely
secured our masked bandit transported him back to the shelter
to sober up before questioning. Ultimately didn't show any signs
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of injury. Everybody has had one of those nights and
then the back end of it. You give yourself a
few hours and you're gonna be okay. They did say
that he was safely released back into the wild, hopefully
having learned that breaking and.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Entering is not the answer. He'll be back at betty
Ford soon.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Is there what would be the raccoon equivalent of the
Betty Ford Clinic, The Rocky Raccoon Clinic or something like that.
I think of all the famous raccoons that we've had. Hey,
by the way, Justin Herbert and the Chargers are going
to take on Jalen Hurts and the Eagles on Monday Night.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Football God, what's the matter.
Speaker 6 (13:56):
Oh nothing, you worried, well stressed.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
You could be there live.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
At SOFI Stadium, just like Shannon is probably different seating arrangements,
but you could be there as well. Get your tickets
at Chargers dot com slash tickets and you can listen
to all the Chargers games on KFI A M six
forty go bolts, of course. And we will be giving
away a couple of pairs of tickets to the Chargers
game this week.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
So when are we going to do that?
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I think we should give one pair away tomorrow and
one pair away on Friday.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
I love that idea.
Speaker 6 (14:23):
We'll do that.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Let's do that one pair tomorrow, one pair on Friday.
But you're gonna have to listen to to get involved. Boom,
we come back, justin Worsham. You know what, justin brings.
Speaker 6 (14:33):
Light and joy and sunshine and happiness.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
And sometimes Eminem's.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
That was the biggest bag of Eminem's that someone gave
me yesterday.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
And it wasn't that big. It wasn't that big of
a bag. I've seen bigger.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
That was more than just one of those measly little uh.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
It was obviously bigger than a fine side.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
I'd be saying that because I made quick work of that.
Know what, you watch your mouth when you're talking to
me about my eminem's.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI.
A M six forty.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Might be the biggest one all year. Justin Wharshman had
joined us. We talked about parenting with Justin.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
I'm sweating, cry, I'm sweating and crying.
Speaker 7 (15:29):
Funny, you guys don't know. But she was screaming at
me off the air, and I was laughing at it.
And then there was just this pause after she finished
yelling at me, and then should Gary n.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Change on a time calling me a horrible father?
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Because I allowed the.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Ram understood but I didn't say it out loud, but
it was understood. It was implied bad.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Yes, it's right.
Speaker 7 (15:51):
She said you were worried about the well being of
my children and that they should have had a choice.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
No choice, there's sorryre this new issue of parenting seven
thirty parenting?
Speaker 3 (16:01):
What is this supposed to?
Speaker 4 (16:02):
So it's I already don't like it. I'm seventy thirty.
I'm not in favor of it. I think is what
I am?
Speaker 7 (16:09):
Is that really? What it is is this mom was like,
you look online and everybody's talking about how much they're
nailing parenting, and so it sets this in your head
expectation that you have to be perfect. So she decided like,
I'm only going to tryumph why this makes me laugh,
but I'm only going to try to be perfect seventy
percent of the time and thirty percent of the time
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I'm going to just let.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
It go them as Mel Robbins would scream at you.
Speaker 7 (16:33):
So I am like, what's weird about this is that
My initial reaction to reading this was like, what are
you this garbage like? But then at the same time
I get the concept, like, really, what people are saying
is like, don't worry about being perfect. What was really
interesting is that, and I did hear this from the
experts that I interviewed on the Dad podcast, is that
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you really only have to be good thirty percent of
the time to be effective as a parent.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
So you can fail seventy percent of the time.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Well, it's like it's batting average in baseball three is
pretty good.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Okay, all right, Yeah, you're right, good point by you.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yeah, And it also can get can depend on how
how your kid is if your kids constantly I'm failing
to come up with the word, but your kids stick
touitiveness when it comes to wanting to get their own
way and doing whatever they want to do, right.
Speaker 7 (17:23):
Like they want to root for a local football team constantly,
and they're persistently.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Constantly saying I want to root for the Niners, or
root for the Niners or work for the Nights.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
You're like, no, root for Rams, root for the Rams.
Root for the Rams.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
And then like, if they're persistent about it, that's the
word I was looking for. It is thirty percent of
the time you go, okay, root for the Niners. I'm tired,
all right, just do what you're gonna do. Yes, since
it's in your DNA, it is right for the water Niners.
Like my mom was like that because I was probably
an annoying child. You know, once in a while she'd
be like, okay, whatever, Shannon, whatever you know, you do
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you kind of thing. It's kind of like eating right
seventy you write, seventy percent of the time you can
have the cupcake or the cookies.
Speaker 6 (18:04):
You know you're gonna be all right.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
It is that okay.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
That is a perfect analogy because I think there are
times when we've said many times on this segment, people
are too hard on themselves in the in those tough times.
And it doesn't have to be like a massive tough
time like the death of grandparents. Maybe it's a tough
time like you had a really long effing day at
work and you want just thirty five minutes of quiet
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time you pop your kid in front of the TV
or from the iPad, which listen, I hate the idea
of it, but I totally understand that every once in
a while you got to have a break, and that's
one of those.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
And then stop beating yourself up.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Over it, because because you'd rather thank you for this
my shade, the for those moments when you just need
that break, it's gonna be better for you on the
back end of that thirty five minutes to be refreshed,
to every set, to be nice, to be cause than
it is to just you know, then to blow up
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at your kid because they're whatever, being loud or needy
or whatever.
Speaker 7 (19:06):
It is the two biggest things in my like reading
and talking to experts on this subject, the two biggest
things that go to the wayside when you have a
kid is number one, self care and number two, your
relationship with your partner in raising these children. Right, So
you have to focus on those because when you focus
on those, you have the energy to put into the kids.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
And so I think you're right.
Speaker 7 (19:29):
Like whenever you start to feel like you're you got
a little bit of a like you're burnt out, put
on a movie and just relax, cut yourself some slack,
order pizza whatever, like do breakfast for dinner, something to
try to like shake it up a little bit and
don't worry like it doesn't nothing not everything has to
be perfect. And I think I'm a little guilty of
this too, even like I'm I don't know, I worry.
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I worry all even now, I still like.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
Worry about like kim ca routine is on phone.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
Oh my gosh, Yeah, I have to do. You do
the self care I do.
Speaker 7 (19:57):
And it's obvious those mask things though I don't understand
and them, but I.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Do really well. You can't you're glowing.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Is that why it smells when I do it?
Speaker 6 (20:04):
I don't know, it.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Doesn't smell, it's it's not going to adhere to your
skin the way you need.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Oh no, I do those light ones, like the light yeah,
red light.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
There, can't you tell it's glowing?
Speaker 7 (20:16):
Yes, Garry, it's the Christmas lights. I think the lights
off the Christmas tree are probably messing it up a
little bit because Shannon gets it from like the right angle.
Speaker 6 (20:24):
Right, you're really good light.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
You're staring too much into the sun. That's what it is.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
Yeah, you should touch it. Gary touches to.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Touch my face.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
Not how smooth that is.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
That's not ann oily tea zone. That's a solid like.
Speaker 6 (20:36):
It's a cared for tea zone.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
It is, But the tea was down here?
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Oh really, I thought it was eyebrow to nose.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
I don't know either.
Speaker 7 (20:45):
Well we can when we come back. We're going to
give you guys all an update on where the T
zone is on your.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
Justice.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
It's very smooth. It's top notch. Gary is so uncomfortable
and I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
But this is.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Is because she keeps touching my eyebrow. Is that what's
weird for you? Part of that? I don't know. It's
it gonna make Gary feel uncomfortable. Oh, Shannon's is top
notch too. Have you ever touched that? Oh?
Speaker 5 (21:13):
I have not?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
In what do you think she would do if I
walked over and put my finger on her forehead.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
I honestly think she would freeze. I think she would
stare at you in curiosity, in wonderment.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (21:26):
And then and if you just did that and walked away,
she would immediately find a mirror, like thought you smudged.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
Something on her, probably like what my forehead's fat?
Speaker 8 (21:35):
Now?
Speaker 7 (21:36):
And then if she and then, the only way to
save herself from spiraling too much is she would start
to figure out how she was going to counterattack like that.
That's how she would keep herself sane. Plotting hers to
try to figure out why you did it? Is a
is a lost leader at this point. She just got
a return five.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
I love this article.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
I didn't read it, but I assume I'm making an assumption.
It's from fatherly dot com and the headline is are
our children really so mentally unwell?
Speaker 6 (22:03):
And I'm hoping the takeaway is no, they're not.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
You're just dramatitized, dramatizing, yes, persistently all.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
Of just normal childhood.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Yeah, we got to throw labels on everything. Yeah, make
him feel funny?
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Right, Well, I hope I can give you good news.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
I can't wait for clarity.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from kfi
AM six forty. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Again, a big thank you to everybody showed up to
Pastathon yesterday out at the Anaheim White House Restaurant. Great
to see Bruno and Silvano, everybody from the restaurant, but
also everybody who came out to Tony.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, and a shout out to Carl. I love Carl.
Carl's the mainstay, but Carlo knows how to treat women.
Carl showed up with roses and chocolate. That is what
I needed in my day, and there should be more
men like Carla out there.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Nine hundred and fifty five thousand dollars raised just yesterday,
along with ninety two thousand pounds of pasta and saw
us and again a great day still to be.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
The doors are not closed yet.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
You can still donate when you go to KFIAM six
forty dot com slash Pastathon. Also at Wendy's Restaurants and
the smartin Final stores. They will be accepting donations through Sunday.
So are our children really as mentally unwell as we
think they are?
Speaker 6 (23:22):
Justin Wersam joins us, host of the Dad Podcast and
what say you justin.
Speaker 7 (23:26):
According to this guy who's started looking into the research,
and I think he does a really good job of
kind of balancing this is that And I'm sorry I
don't have his name, but anyway, he said that the
problem is that, unlike a medical diagnosis, we're still trying
to figure out mental health. So, like he gives the
example of like when he was a kid, if he
got diagnosed with chemo or chemo leukemia, he would have
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a twenty percent chance of survival. Today that's around eighty percent.
He said, there is no brain scan that we could
do that says this person has ADHD or depression. Like
it's really hard to like medic pinpoint those. And so
while everybody kind of agrees with it being nice that
we're being more tolerant and accepting that, he kind of
says that this pendulum might be overswinging where we're starting
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to see teenagers kind of self diagnose, and there's this
movement on social media where people are focusing on their
you know, mental health issues, and it's all under this
idea of like the more awareness we have, the better.
But then it seems like as a society we have
to stumble through this part of going well, now that
I'm aware of it, everybody first has to have it,
and then it kind of dwindles down to the people
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who really.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Have the pendulum will swing back the other way.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
And I also feel like there's an aspect of parents
labeling their kids in a certain way so that then
they can wear the badge of honor, like, well, I
struggle with two kids with ADHD, or I'm such a
you know, I have to champion my way through a
kid who fights day anxiety because of picture day at
school or something like that.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
And that's the other example he gives too, is that
he says in treating these mental illnesses, he said, whatever
we're doing isn't working because the numbers are growing, whereas
his example with leukemia, he says we're getting better at that.
And so clearly there's something about our approach as a
society that isn't right and we need just we just
need to.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Look at it and be aware of it. What's wrong
with your kids? Nothing unfortunately mentally unwell in any way.
Speaker 7 (25:21):
No, but I mean I'll be honest, it's not without
like it's nowhere near like depression or ADHD or anything.
But the fights that I have with my wife is
that she is insistent that one of my sons isn't
my younger son Jack, he's not good at math and
it's just hard for him.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
And I go, no, not it.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
He just doesn't care enough to do it. I know,
because I'm that kids.
Speaker 7 (25:41):
I feel like I feel like I need to have
like Shannon on my phone or something whenever I talk
to my wife and go, hold on, that's a great idea.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
You're right, never mind like that. Can we drop that
dump that?
Speaker 6 (25:52):
Please?
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Just when I met Jack and he was five, I
looked into his eyes and I saw myself, you.
Speaker 7 (26:00):
Are very kindred like you said things about my son
that have kind of blown my mind. And maybe this
makes a lot of sense. Just a week and a
half ago he ran Every once in a while he
brings up you and going to your birthday and gambling
on horses. Yeah, and that came up just recently again.
He was like, remember that time that I won like
sixty bucks betting on horses.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
But my mom would never let me get away with it.
That would have been nice. Yes, my mom would not
hear anything like I'm just bad at math. She'd be like,
that's not an excuse. If you're bad at math, then
just study harder. Then just try harder. That's what I
then studied into being.
Speaker 6 (26:33):
Not bad at it.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
I say, it's it's hard work.
Speaker 7 (26:36):
See.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
The thing for him is everything probably comes easy for him, right,
and then you get to math, and math's not one
of those things that just comes easy to most people
unless you're a beautiful mind guy. So you got to
actually work at it. And then you have to work
hard at something it's annoying. He doesn't much easier to
get the B plus C plus kind of grades and
not try it all.
Speaker 7 (26:54):
The bigger issue that child has is that the minute
something like if there's an obstacle or adversity, he's like,
he just sits down.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
He just unless it's something he really wants.
Speaker 7 (27:05):
That's the other part that's what makes me not so
worried about him in adulthood, is that if it's something.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
He really truly wants, he will stop at nothing to
get it.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
It is where I was reading about that the other day,
just in terms of especially in boys, there's this fear
of failure, uh, and that if a speed bump comes
up anywhere in that pursuit of perfection and whatever they're doing, sports, computers, girls,
whatever it is, the fear of failure will outweigh any
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benefit they get from actually achieving whatever goal it is,
So they'll stop long before they achieve whatever they want
because they do not want to fail at it.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Because if they can say, oh, I stopped, you know
I'm going to want to quit.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
I never failed at it, then then it's going to
be easier on their psyche.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
I guess.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
And I'm not saying that's a I think we all
probably have that to some degree, but that for some
reason it has it has been more evident in young
men these days.
Speaker 7 (28:04):
I had to throw it in both of their faces
at the same time over dinner because my wife was like,
he's like me, we both struggle on math. And I
was like, neither one of you struggled in math. I go,
neither one of you wanted to do it. And I said,
and at least one of you didn't have a parent
who's like, no, you have to do it. I'm the
only one obviously my family is like, no, you're good
at this. You just have to apply yourself. You also
have parents who like I've now hired a tutor who's
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working with him to get a little more extra practice
studying and all of that stuff. But I threw it
in my wife's face and said, you did home loans
for fifteen years where I could just I could rattle
off a purchase price and interest rate and down payment,
and you could kind of mentally round about calculate their
monthly payment into your.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Head within the you know bucks, yeah, something like that.
Speaker 7 (28:47):
Like she would just crush it, and I go, that's
and she was like, oh, yeah, I guess you're right.
I said, right, it's all of it is just incentive.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
If it matters to you, you'll do it.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
There's also, yes, I think you're right. There's also practical
math and then co sign tangents and all of that.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Sure, he's not.
Speaker 7 (29:03):
Doing geometry, he's doing algebra, and they're trying to act
like it's not important.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
I go, what do you mean?
Speaker 6 (29:08):
It's algebra is important.
Speaker 7 (29:09):
Algebra is everything, like, and it's also basic arithmetic with
a letter maybe two, like what age.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
Was the last one that really you need? And then
everything else.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Is you're showing off at that. Yeah, you're just showing
off calculous.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
I mean, come on, come on, I was going.
Speaker 7 (29:26):
To school to be an elementary school teacher because I
wanted to be at the time, and I was taking
this intro to like math education where it was like
it would teach you it was weird.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
It would review basic arithmetic, which is.
Speaker 7 (29:37):
A weird thing to do when you're twenty, and then
it would tell you how to teach it and model
it right.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
So we were going through this class and we took
this big test and.
Speaker 7 (29:44):
We go into and the teacher is going to go
over and he was like, at this point, if you're
struggling with the material in this class, it might be
a good idea to take a different career path, because
everybody in that room was going to school to be
a teacher. And there was a gasp, an audible gasp
from about eight people in the front of the classroom,
and he was like what then, And I had to
go I laughed for the back because I just saw
(30:04):
this scene play out. And he goes what And she goes,
how dare you think that you could tell me what
I can or can't do for a living, And he
was like.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
It was so great. He goes, Oh, it's not me,
it's society.
Speaker 7 (30:13):
We decided as a society that math is how we
measure intelligence. He goes go to your doctor and ask
him the last time they use calculus, and they'll say
med school.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Not because they need to have calculus to be a doctor.
Speaker 7 (30:25):
It's because we have decided if you're going to be
a doctor, we want you to at least be smart
enough to understand calculus, that's it.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
Or to try Yeah, sure, push through, persevere.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
I understand that it's going to take work to perfect
that thing.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
An operation isn't gonna go right in the first thirty seconds,
so you're gonna be there for twelve.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Hours, boneheads with communications.
Speaker 6 (30:43):
I don't want. I don't want your son or operating
on people.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
Watch it.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
You've been listening to The Gary and Shannon Show.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
A bunch of stuff going on Ukraine and it's European
allies have accused Russian President Putin of feigning interest in
these peace efforts, and in fact a lot of it
is being driven by Washington, DC.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
So let's start there with the swamp Watch. Swamp Watch,
I'm a cheat and a liar, and when I'm not
kissing babies, I'm stealing that lollipops.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Here we got.
Speaker 5 (00:34):
The real problem is that our leaders are done.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
The other side never quits what.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
I'm not going anywhere. So now you train the.
Speaker 6 (00:44):
Squat, I can imagine what can be and be unburdened
by what has been.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
You know, Murvans have always been going at President. They're
not stupid.
Speaker 7 (00:52):
A political plunder is when a politician actually tells the truth.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Have people voted for.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
You were not swamp watch, They're all condonoing.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
We know the peace plan continues to make its way
through the leadership in both Ukraine and Russia, and we
do know that there are very high level talks going on.
Steve Witkoff and Dimple's Kushner, along with Secretary of State
Marco Rubio. We're all going to be in Moscow as
they try to get some sort of plan ready to
(01:22):
present to both Ukraine and Russia as they try to
get to this peace deal. But Vladimir Putin has been
I guess you could say, at least sounding the alarm
for potential conflict with NATO. He said that Europe is
threatening war and in fact Ukraine peace talks could falter.
(01:43):
He said, this is Putin. We agree on some things
while others. This is one of the presidential aids. We
agreed on some things while others cause criticism. President Putin
also made no secret of our critical, even negative attitude
towards a number of proposals.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
But the main thing is.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
That we had a very useful discussion, constructive, highly informative
as well, still miles apart when it comes to both
sides agreeing to all of this, specifically because the twenty
eight point plan that we have now in front of
us Moscow is demanding that Kiev give up a bunch
(02:20):
of the occupied territory in the eastern half of Ukraine.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
The very latest on the boat strike in the Caribbean
is all centered around Defense Secretary Pete haig Seth, and
he said for the first time at a cabinet meeting
yesterday that that second strike that's in question, the second strike,
did it come when they knew there were survivors and
struck anyway? He said, and this was his verbiage, which
is important, that they sunk the boat with that second
(02:46):
strike and eliminated the threat.
Speaker 6 (02:48):
In framing the strike.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
As sinking the boat specifically targeting the boat, what they're
doing is they're mirror mirroring the language used in a
Justice Department official use when it comes to the Office
of Legal Counsel. The memo basically blessing the strikes, saying
that this was an official use of a strike to
(03:11):
sink that boat as opposed to kill those people, technically
putting the attack on the firmist legal ground. The watchers
are saying legal watchers, since questions surfaced about the incident,
that if you can make it about the boat and
not the people clinging to life, that you're on firmer
legal ground and you'll see how this plays out.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
We also brought up the earlier when we were talking
about it, the Secretary Defense did use the term fog
of war. He was describing that he himself didn't see
two survivors of the original attack clinging to the boat wreckage,
and that it was fog of war because of the
grainy footage, etc.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
That was available to him.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
And it would be curious to see if that even
if it's a mistake, if it goes so far as
to say that it was a mistake to order that
second and strike.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Is that enough of a defense?
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Right?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Can you claim fog of war when you're watching behind
a computer screen, not in the arena of said war.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
The admiral, by the way that they are pinning this
on Frank Bradley, Frank Mitchell Bradley, I believe his name is.
He is expected to be on Capitol Hill tomorrow answering
questions from lawmakers about all of this. Yesterday special election
in the seventh district in Tennessee seventh Congressional District, Republican
(04:33):
Matt Van Epps held off a challenge from Democrat Afton
Baine in this special election, And this was one of
those closely watched things before we get to the midterms
next year because of the potential for it to have
an impact or at least be a bellweather for what
we saw going into, sorry, going into the next year's elections.
(04:55):
And to give an idea at this, we know that
President Trump won seventh District in Tennessee by twenty two
points last year. She the Democrat Afton Baine, was pulling
very closely to the Republican and he only ended up
winning by about nine points.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
This was Matt Vanipps last night.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
Thank you to President Trump for his early and strong endorsement.
It made all the difference in this race. It carried
us to victory and we could not be happier with
this resounding win.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
But you can't ignore it.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
That's a thirteen point shift in towards the Democrats in
that district. Those kinds of gains by the opposition party
in special elections have often shown that the sitting party
or the party with the control at least in the
White House is going to get absolutely spanned next year
(05:45):
in the midterm. So we shall see where how it
plays out. But at this point, a thirteen point swing
from President Trump winning the seventh district by twenty two
points to this Republican winning by just nine points in
yesterday's yesterday special election.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
All right, coming up next. Have you heard about this squirrel?
I'm sorry, it was a raccoon. I keep thinking it's
a squirrel, But it's a raccoon, a more dangerous, more aggressive.
Albeit sometimes squirrels can be equally aggressive as a raccoon.
But this raccoon is really all of us during the holidays,
family drives us to.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
Drink. Frankly, period, I.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
See in your eyes some memories that are very Yeah,
I close to the surface.
Speaker 6 (06:27):
This raccoon was going through it.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
You know.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
The raccoon was tired of the holidays already. He realizes
that it's a short time till Christmas. In between Thanksgiving
and Christmas, he's maybe not ready with all his Christmas shopping.
He's overwhelmed, frankly, and we'll tell you what he did
in response when we return.
Speaker 8 (06:43):
Hey, good morning, guys. Hey, speaking of pictures, just came
across a couple of pictures of you guys yesterday at
the White House. Gary, you clean up very nicely, Shannon,
you look fantastic, brand new jeans out of the box,
lipstick that was to die for. And I'm glad you guys.
We had a good time and things went well.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yes, the postathon was spectacular. Were those brand new genes?
Speaker 6 (07:06):
Those were not?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
I didn't think so, but hey, they were new to him.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
I mean there was holes in them all over the place.
Should have been a tip off.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Another round of Santa Ana winds returns to southern California.
The wind advisory is going to be in effect through
three o'clock tomorrow tomorrow afternoons. Some of the impacted areas
include Ventura County, the coast right along Malibu, their San
Gabriel Mountains, and the Santa Karita Valley as well.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
There was a raccoon. This was sent to us by
eight or nine people. People saw this story and they
thought of us, And I don't know.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Why, because it's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
We do like small, furry, aggressive animals. We've spent a
lot of time on this show talking about squirrels and
the like.
Speaker 6 (08:01):
Have we not sure?
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Tis you hate them?
Speaker 6 (08:04):
Yeah? I have a family of raccoons that prefers to do.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
I don't know if they're a family. They may just
be a group of friends friend group of raccoons.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Maybe they're stranger raccoons that just get together to crap
on my roof. But nevertheless, that's what they do. They
prefer to do their business on the roof. Sometimes you
can hear them hopping up to the roof.
Speaker 6 (08:23):
You can hear them.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Little roll of raccoon.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Toilet paper, and then they drop their things and then
they go away. Never really encounter them. Maybe once encountered
a raccoon in the backyard. But there's there's they prefer. Listen,
you have a favorite toilet, don't.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
You No, it's the closest one.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I guess that's my favorite. There you go, Okay, there
you go. So that's kind of my experience with raccoons.
But I've heard of people encountering raccoons and they can
be very mean.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
Now are they mean? Are they just aggressive to survive?
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Is it?
Speaker 6 (08:59):
Are they just a mean people?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
I mean, we used to have raccoons in our yard
all the time in Seattle when we were living just
outside of Seattle, and my son used to love sitting
by the sliding glass door and watch them. They'd walk
across the deck and sometimes they'd stop and kind of
play right in front of him. They never they never
appeared mean, But then again, we're separated by a quarter
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inch of glass, so it's not like.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
And your son's very cute, right, well, you know when
he was a child. It's weird now that he's twenty
five from you to say it's cut twenty six.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Stop it.
Speaker 6 (09:32):
I'm not willing to admit.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
But yes, so I never experienced them being mean, but
I've heard a lot of stories about how they can
just they'll tear you up if you get because each
of their little human like hands has the claws on
them that will destroy a nice sweater.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Well, this raccoon was dealing with the holidays and it
found itself passed out in the bathroom. After breaking into
and ransacking a liquor store, this raccoon went for it.
This raccoon did not break into the liquor store just
to browse this liquor store. This raccoon did not break
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into the liquor store just to break in and take
a couple of those little baby airplane bottles, you know
up front. No, he got into the aisles and from footage,
he was mixing browns and clears and wines and malt liquor,
and he was breaking all the liquor rules by himself.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
In the South, they say he was getting after it,
and he was getting after all of it.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
In this case, I mean he did not discriminate whiskey
to kil a kalua all of the bottles. And the
thing is is he wasn't polite about it. These bottles
that this raccoon got into are littering the entire liquor store,
broken glass everywhere. And there he is in the bathroom
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where he found The officers found him passed out.
Speaker 6 (11:04):
This is a drunk ass raccoon.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I have questions about that. Did the raccoon go into
the bathroom like all of us would because he had the.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
Yak in his favorite toilet?
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah, and I just think he broke the celia.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
I think he just passed that before.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
So Yeah, and he is fully spluted.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
He has spluted.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
That means that he is on his belly.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
He's got his front paws out and his back paws
out as well. He is Maybe he just needed the
cool feeling of the tile floor there in the west.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
What sent this raccoon over the edge? Was it Thanksgiving?
Was it a mother in law who stayed inside the
raccoon nest? Maybe more than seventy two hours.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Yeah, because he was out by himself. I mean, he
had to get out.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
He had to get out.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Where do raccoons live? Do they live in raccoon nests?
Do they live in do they have little caves that
they make? Where do they sleep? Do they sleep altogether?
Like a raccoon den? How does it work? In the cartoons?
Speaker 2 (12:02):
It would be in a hollowed out tree, I assume,
So maybe a hollowed out tree to a raccoon is
like a condo of some kind.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah, hollow trees, ground burrows, brush piles, rock crevices. When
I'm looking at these hollowed out tree holes, there's not
a lot of room in there. It's kind of like
my house, which is very small. If somebody comes and
stays with us, it's like a hollowed out tree. And
I often do feel like a raccoon.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
You know that makes sense?
Speaker 6 (12:33):
Why you haven't invited me over it? I haven't.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
They have not a few years? Was it because of
the last time.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
I don't know what will happened the last time?
Speaker 5 (12:45):
I Yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Invited you so long. I really took that COVID ball
and ran with it.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
I was like, no again, I still don't. You could come,
but you're gonna have to wear a mask if you
come over.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
That's what you've said. So that's why we haven't, uh,
that's why we haven't been able to come over. The
raccoon did recover it the shelter there in Hannover, Virginia.
They said one of the animal control officers quote safely
secured our masked bandit transported him back to the shelter
to sober up before questioning. Ultimately didn't show any signs
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of injury. Everybody has had one of those nights and
then the back end of it. You give yourself a
few hours and you're gonna be okay. They did say
that he was safely released back into the wild, hopefully
having learned that breaking and.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Entering is not the answer. He'll be back at betty
Ford soon.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Is there what would be the raccoon equivalent of the
Betty Ford Clinic, The Rocky Raccoon Clinic or something like that.
I think of all the famous raccoons that we've had. Hey,
by the way, Justin Herbert and the Chargers are going
to take on Jalen Hurts and the Eagles on Monday Night.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Football God, what's the matter.
Speaker 6 (13:56):
Oh nothing, you worried, well stressed.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
You could be there live.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
At SOFI Stadium, just like Shannon is probably different seating arrangements,
but you could be there as well. Get your tickets
at Chargers dot com slash tickets and you can listen
to all the Chargers games on KFI A M six
forty go bolts, of course. And we will be giving
away a couple of pairs of tickets to the Chargers
game this week.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
So when are we going to do that?
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I think we should give one pair away tomorrow and
one pair away on Friday.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
I love that idea.
Speaker 6 (14:23):
We'll do that.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Let's do that one pair tomorrow, one pair on Friday.
But you're gonna have to listen to to get involved. Boom,
we come back, justin Worsham. You know what, justin brings.
Speaker 6 (14:33):
Light and joy and sunshine and happiness.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
And sometimes Eminem's.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
That was the biggest bag of Eminem's that someone gave
me yesterday.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
And it wasn't that big. It wasn't that big of
a bag. I've seen bigger.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
That was more than just one of those measly little uh.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
It was obviously bigger than a fine side.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
I'd be saying that because I made quick work of that.
Know what, you watch your mouth when you're talking to
me about my eminem's.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI.
A M six forty.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Might be the biggest one all year. Justin Wharshman had
joined us. We talked about parenting with Justin.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
I'm sweating, cry, I'm sweating and crying.
Speaker 7 (15:29):
Funny, you guys don't know. But she was screaming at
me off the air, and I was laughing at it.
And then there was just this pause after she finished
yelling at me, and then should Gary n.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Change on a time calling me a horrible father?
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Because I allowed the.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Ram understood but I didn't say it out loud, but
it was understood. It was implied bad.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Yes, it's right.
Speaker 7 (15:51):
She said you were worried about the well being of
my children and that they should have had a choice.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
No choice, there's sorryre this new issue of parenting seven
thirty parenting?
Speaker 3 (16:01):
What is this supposed to?
Speaker 4 (16:02):
So it's I already don't like it. I'm seventy thirty.
I'm not in favor of it. I think is what
I am?
Speaker 7 (16:09):
Is that really? What it is is this mom was like,
you look online and everybody's talking about how much they're
nailing parenting, and so it sets this in your head
expectation that you have to be perfect. So she decided like,
I'm only going to tryumph why this makes me laugh,
but I'm only going to try to be perfect seventy
percent of the time and thirty percent of the time
(16:29):
I'm going to just let.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
It go them as Mel Robbins would scream at you.
Speaker 7 (16:33):
So I am like, what's weird about this is that
My initial reaction to reading this was like, what are
you this garbage like? But then at the same time
I get the concept, like, really, what people are saying
is like, don't worry about being perfect. What was really
interesting is that, and I did hear this from the
experts that I interviewed on the Dad podcast, is that
(16:54):
you really only have to be good thirty percent of
the time to be effective as a parent.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
So you can fail seventy percent of the time.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Well, it's like it's batting average in baseball three is
pretty good.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Okay, all right, Yeah, you're right, good point by you.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yeah, And it also can get can depend on how
how your kid is if your kids constantly I'm failing
to come up with the word, but your kids stick
touitiveness when it comes to wanting to get their own
way and doing whatever they want to do, right.
Speaker 7 (17:23):
Like they want to root for a local football team constantly,
and they're persistently.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Constantly saying I want to root for the Niners, or
root for the Niners or work for the Nights.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
You're like, no, root for Rams, root for the Rams.
Root for the Rams.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
And then like, if they're persistent about it, that's the
word I was looking for. It is thirty percent of
the time you go, okay, root for the Niners. I'm tired,
all right, just do what you're gonna do. Yes, since
it's in your DNA, it is right for the water Niners.
Like my mom was like that because I was probably
an annoying child. You know, once in a while she'd
be like, okay, whatever, Shannon, whatever you know, you do
(17:56):
you kind of thing. It's kind of like eating right
seventy you write, seventy percent of the time you can
have the cupcake or the cookies.
Speaker 6 (18:04):
You know you're gonna be all right.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
It is that okay.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
That is a perfect analogy because I think there are
times when we've said many times on this segment, people
are too hard on themselves in the in those tough times.
And it doesn't have to be like a massive tough
time like the death of grandparents. Maybe it's a tough
time like you had a really long effing day at
work and you want just thirty five minutes of quiet
(18:30):
time you pop your kid in front of the TV
or from the iPad, which listen, I hate the idea
of it, but I totally understand that every once in
a while you got to have a break, and that's
one of those.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
And then stop beating yourself up.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Over it, because because you'd rather thank you for this
my shade, the for those moments when you just need
that break, it's gonna be better for you on the
back end of that thirty five minutes to be refreshed,
to every set, to be nice, to be cause than
it is to just you know, then to blow up
(19:03):
at your kid because they're whatever, being loud or needy
or whatever.
Speaker 7 (19:06):
It is the two biggest things in my like reading
and talking to experts on this subject, the two biggest
things that go to the wayside when you have a
kid is number one, self care and number two, your
relationship with your partner in raising these children. Right, So
you have to focus on those because when you focus
on those, you have the energy to put into the kids.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
And so I think you're right.
Speaker 7 (19:29):
Like whenever you start to feel like you're you got
a little bit of a like you're burnt out, put
on a movie and just relax, cut yourself some slack,
order pizza whatever, like do breakfast for dinner, something to
try to like shake it up a little bit and
don't worry like it doesn't nothing not everything has to
be perfect. And I think I'm a little guilty of
this too, even like I'm I don't know, I worry.
(19:49):
I worry all even now, I still like.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
Worry about like kim ca routine is on phone.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
Oh my gosh, Yeah, I have to do. You do
the self care I do.
Speaker 7 (19:57):
And it's obvious those mask things though I don't understand
and them, but I.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Do really well. You can't you're glowing.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Is that why it smells when I do it?
Speaker 6 (20:04):
I don't know, it.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Doesn't smell, it's it's not going to adhere to your
skin the way you need.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Oh no, I do those light ones, like the light yeah,
red light.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
There, can't you tell it's glowing?
Speaker 7 (20:16):
Yes, Garry, it's the Christmas lights. I think the lights
off the Christmas tree are probably messing it up a
little bit because Shannon gets it from like the right angle.
Speaker 6 (20:24):
Right, you're really good light.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
You're staring too much into the sun. That's what it is.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
Yeah, you should touch it. Gary touches to.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Touch my face.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
Not how smooth that is.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
That's not ann oily tea zone. That's a solid like.
Speaker 6 (20:36):
It's a cared for tea zone.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
It is, But the tea was down here?
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Oh really, I thought it was eyebrow to nose.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
I don't know either.
Speaker 7 (20:45):
Well we can when we come back. We're going to
give you guys all an update on where the T
zone is on your.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
Justice.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
It's very smooth. It's top notch. Gary is so uncomfortable
and I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
But this is.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Is because she keeps touching my eyebrow. Is that what's
weird for you? Part of that? I don't know. It's
it gonna make Gary feel uncomfortable. Oh, Shannon's is top
notch too. Have you ever touched that? Oh?
Speaker 5 (21:13):
I have not?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
In what do you think she would do if I
walked over and put my finger on her forehead.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
I honestly think she would freeze. I think she would
stare at you in curiosity, in wonderment.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (21:26):
And then and if you just did that and walked away,
she would immediately find a mirror, like thought you smudged.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
Something on her, probably like what my forehead's fat?
Speaker 8 (21:35):
Now?
Speaker 7 (21:36):
And then if she and then, the only way to
save herself from spiraling too much is she would start
to figure out how she was going to counterattack like that.
That's how she would keep herself sane. Plotting hers to
try to figure out why you did it? Is a
is a lost leader at this point. She just got
a return five.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
I love this article.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
I didn't read it, but I assume I'm making an assumption.
It's from fatherly dot com and the headline is are
our children really so mentally unwell?
Speaker 6 (22:03):
And I'm hoping the takeaway is no, they're not.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
You're just dramatitized, dramatizing, yes, persistently all.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
Of just normal childhood.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Yeah, we got to throw labels on everything. Yeah, make
him feel funny?
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Right, Well, I hope I can give you good news.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
I can't wait for clarity.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from kfi
AM six forty. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Again, a big thank you to everybody showed up to
Pastathon yesterday out at the Anaheim White House Restaurant. Great
to see Bruno and Silvano, everybody from the restaurant, but
also everybody who came out to Tony.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, and a shout out to Carl. I love Carl.
Carl's the mainstay, but Carlo knows how to treat women.
Carl showed up with roses and chocolate. That is what
I needed in my day, and there should be more
men like Carla out there.
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along with ninety two thousand pounds of pasta and saw
us and again a great day still to be.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
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Speaker 2 (23:05):
You can still donate when you go to KFIAM six
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So are our children really as mentally unwell as we
think they are?
Speaker 6 (23:22):
Justin Wersam joins us, host of the Dad Podcast and
what say you justin.
Speaker 7 (23:26):
According to this guy who's started looking into the research,
and I think he does a really good job of
kind of balancing this is that And I'm sorry I
don't have his name, but anyway, he said that the
problem is that, unlike a medical diagnosis, we're still trying
to figure out mental health. So, like he gives the
example of like when he was a kid, if he
got diagnosed with chemo or chemo leukemia, he would have
(23:49):
a twenty percent chance of survival. Today that's around eighty percent.
He said, there is no brain scan that we could
do that says this person has ADHD or depression. Like
it's really hard to like medic pinpoint those. And so
while everybody kind of agrees with it being nice that
we're being more tolerant and accepting that, he kind of
says that this pendulum might be overswinging where we're starting
(24:11):
to see teenagers kind of self diagnose, and there's this
movement on social media where people are focusing on their
you know, mental health issues, and it's all under this
idea of like the more awareness we have, the better.
But then it seems like as a society we have
to stumble through this part of going well, now that
I'm aware of it, everybody first has to have it,
and then it kind of dwindles down to the people
(24:33):
who really.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Have the pendulum will swing back the other way.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
And I also feel like there's an aspect of parents
labeling their kids in a certain way so that then
they can wear the badge of honor, like, well, I
struggle with two kids with ADHD, or I'm such a
you know, I have to champion my way through a
kid who fights day anxiety because of picture day at
school or something like that.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
And that's the other example he gives too, is that
he says in treating these mental illnesses, he said, whatever
we're doing isn't working because the numbers are growing, whereas
his example with leukemia, he says we're getting better at that.
And so clearly there's something about our approach as a
society that isn't right and we need just we just
need to.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Look at it and be aware of it. What's wrong
with your kids? Nothing unfortunately mentally unwell in any way.
Speaker 7 (25:21):
No, but I mean I'll be honest, it's not without
like it's nowhere near like depression or ADHD or anything.
But the fights that I have with my wife is
that she is insistent that one of my sons isn't
my younger son Jack, he's not good at math and
it's just hard for him.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
And I go, no, not it.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
He just doesn't care enough to do it. I know,
because I'm that kids.
Speaker 7 (25:41):
I feel like I feel like I need to have
like Shannon on my phone or something whenever I talk
to my wife and go, hold on, that's a great idea.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
You're right, never mind like that. Can we drop that
dump that?
Speaker 6 (25:52):
Please?
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Just when I met Jack and he was five, I
looked into his eyes and I saw myself, you.
Speaker 7 (26:00):
Are very kindred like you said things about my son
that have kind of blown my mind. And maybe this
makes a lot of sense. Just a week and a
half ago he ran Every once in a while he
brings up you and going to your birthday and gambling
on horses. Yeah, and that came up just recently again.
He was like, remember that time that I won like
sixty bucks betting on horses.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
But my mom would never let me get away with it.
That would have been nice. Yes, my mom would not
hear anything like I'm just bad at math. She'd be like,
that's not an excuse. If you're bad at math, then
just study harder. Then just try harder. That's what I
then studied into being.
Speaker 6 (26:33):
Not bad at it.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
I say, it's it's hard work.
Speaker 7 (26:36):
See.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
The thing for him is everything probably comes easy for him, right,
and then you get to math, and math's not one
of those things that just comes easy to most people
unless you're a beautiful mind guy. So you got to
actually work at it. And then you have to work
hard at something it's annoying. He doesn't much easier to
get the B plus C plus kind of grades and
not try it all.
Speaker 7 (26:54):
The bigger issue that child has is that the minute
something like if there's an obstacle or adversity, he's like,
he just sits down.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
He just unless it's something he really wants.
Speaker 7 (27:05):
That's the other part that's what makes me not so
worried about him in adulthood, is that if it's something.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
He really truly wants, he will stop at nothing to
get it.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
It is where I was reading about that the other day,
just in terms of especially in boys, there's this fear
of failure, uh, and that if a speed bump comes
up anywhere in that pursuit of perfection and whatever they're doing, sports, computers, girls,
whatever it is, the fear of failure will outweigh any
(27:34):
benefit they get from actually achieving whatever goal it is,
So they'll stop long before they achieve whatever they want
because they do not want to fail at it.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Because if they can say, oh, I stopped, you know
I'm going to want to quit.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
I never failed at it, then then it's going to
be easier on their psyche.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
I guess.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
And I'm not saying that's a I think we all
probably have that to some degree, but that for some
reason it has it has been more evident in young
men these days.
Speaker 7 (28:04):
I had to throw it in both of their faces
at the same time over dinner because my wife was like,
he's like me, we both struggle on math. And I
was like, neither one of you struggled in math. I go,
neither one of you wanted to do it. And I said,
and at least one of you didn't have a parent
who's like, no, you have to do it. I'm the
only one obviously my family is like, no, you're good
at this. You just have to apply yourself. You also
have parents who like I've now hired a tutor who's
(28:26):
working with him to get a little more extra practice
studying and all of that stuff. But I threw it
in my wife's face and said, you did home loans
for fifteen years where I could just I could rattle
off a purchase price and interest rate and down payment,
and you could kind of mentally round about calculate their
monthly payment into your.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Head within the you know bucks, yeah, something like that.
Speaker 7 (28:47):
Like she would just crush it, and I go, that's
and she was like, oh, yeah, I guess you're right.
I said, right, it's all of it is just incentive.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
If it matters to you, you'll do it.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
There's also, yes, I think you're right. There's also practical
math and then co sign tangents and all of that.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Sure, he's not.
Speaker 7 (29:03):
Doing geometry, he's doing algebra, and they're trying to act
like it's not important.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
I go, what do you mean?
Speaker 6 (29:08):
It's algebra is important.
Speaker 7 (29:09):
Algebra is everything, like, and it's also basic arithmetic with
a letter maybe two, like what age.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
Was the last one that really you need? And then
everything else.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Is you're showing off at that. Yeah, you're just showing
off calculous.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
I mean, come on, come on, I was going.
Speaker 7 (29:26):
To school to be an elementary school teacher because I
wanted to be at the time, and I was taking
this intro to like math education where it was like
it would teach you it was weird.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
It would review basic arithmetic, which is.
Speaker 7 (29:37):
A weird thing to do when you're twenty, and then
it would tell you how to teach it and model
it right.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
So we were going through this class and we took
this big test and.
Speaker 7 (29:44):
We go into and the teacher is going to go
over and he was like, at this point, if you're
struggling with the material in this class, it might be
a good idea to take a different career path, because
everybody in that room was going to school to be
a teacher. And there was a gasp, an audible gasp
from about eight people in the front of the classroom,
and he was like what then, And I had to
go I laughed for the back because I just saw
(30:04):
this scene play out. And he goes what And she goes,
how dare you think that you could tell me what
I can or can't do for a living, And he
was like.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
It was so great. He goes, Oh, it's not me,
it's society.
Speaker 7 (30:13):
We decided as a society that math is how we
measure intelligence. He goes go to your doctor and ask
him the last time they use calculus, and they'll say
med school.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Not because they need to have calculus to be a doctor.
Speaker 7 (30:25):
It's because we have decided if you're going to be
a doctor, we want you to at least be smart
enough to understand calculus, that's it.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
Or to try Yeah, sure, push through, persevere.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
I understand that it's going to take work to perfect
that thing.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
An operation isn't gonna go right in the first thirty seconds,
so you're gonna be there for twelve.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Hours, boneheads with communications.
Speaker 6 (30:43):
I don't want. I don't want your son or operating
on people.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
Watch it.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
You've been listening to The Gary and Shannon Show.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
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