Teens Are Texting AI Chatbots

#SWAMPWATCH / #PARENTING – Teens Are Texting AI Chatbots 10x More Than Their Friends / The Underestimated “Price of Parenting”

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app. I don't know why this struck
me as so humorous today, but one of the names
that came up when I was a teenager was Oliver North.
Of course because of the Iran contra affair. Well, Oliver

(00:24):
North married his former secretary Fawn Hall when not like
nineteen ninety seven, two weeks ago. Two weeks ago, Oliver
North married his former secretary Fawn Hall in where they
live in Virginia, according to a copy of a marriage certificate.
And when CNN called Oliver North to ask for a comment,

(00:46):
all he said was, frankly, my dear, I don't give
a damn Oliver North.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
By the way, it doesn't matter, just curiosity.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
He's eighty one and she is sixty six years old.
We're gonna hear from Justin Warsham here in just a
few minutes about a couple of different things. We do
always talk with parenting, but he is also real estate guy,
and we'll be talking about some real estate stuff to
keep you updated on what's going on in the housing
market around here.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
But it is time first for swamp watch. I'm a politician,
which means I'm a cheat and a liar, and when
I'm not kissing babies, I'm stealing the lollipops.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
Here we got the real problem is that our leaders
are done.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
The other side never quits.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
So what what, I'm not going anywhere, so that now
you train the squad.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
I can imagine what can be and be unburdened by
what has been.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
You know, Americans have always been gone as they're not stupid.

Speaker 4 (01:37):
A political flunder is what a politician actually tells the truth.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Have people voted for you with not swamp watch? They're
all counteralling.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
All right, let's start with what's going on in Washington,
DC in response to Russian drones flying into Polish airspace,
prompting Polish fighter jets, Danish fighter jets, German area assets
of other kinds to come in and shoot those things down.

Speaker 5 (02:01):
Top officials here in Europe calling this the biggest violation
of NATO airspace by Russia since the War in Ukraine began,
and for the first time Poland, the key NATO ally
of the US, shooting down Russian drones breaching its airspace,
calling some of those drones a direct threat that breach
of Polish airspace, sparking condemnation from European leaders. Poland holding

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emergency meetings this morning, consulting with NATO allies, calling it
a deliberate provocation, saying Moscow is waging war with the
whole Western world and warning of the risk of open
conflict with Russia.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
That's Tom surfy Burge from London reporting for ABC News.
This idea of Russian aircraft or Russian drones making their
way into Allied territories, NATO allied territories, that's not new.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
There's a handful of incidents in the past.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Ukrainian officials have been saying for a long time that
NATO has been turning a blind and an eye to
these previous incursions because of a lack of desire to
get involved. Obviously, NATO not want war, just like the
apes in Planet of the Apes. They don't want war,
but if it comes to their doorstep, they're going to

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turn around and kick somebody's ass. In late August, there
was an Iranian made drone that crashed into a cornfield
in eastern Poland. A Russian KH one oh one missile
briefly appeared over Poland in early last year. Russian drones
aimed for Ukrainian ports that have been intercepted and even
landed across the river in Romania. Finland had recently accused

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Russia violating its airspace with military aircraft in May and
in June. Estonia also made similar accusations about Russian incursions
into their airspace earlier this month. That's kind of what
you can expect when there's a war zone next door.
Someone's gonna screw something up every once in a while,
especially when you consider how many aerial attacks Russia has

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perpetrated against Ukraine. There will be mistakes, and that up
to this point appears to be what they have been.
This is different. This wasn't a Onesie or a Tusie.
The Belarussians, who are on Russia's side, by the way,
had suggested that this was somehow NATO's fault, that NATO
radar NATO jamming equipment caused these drones to go off course.

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NATO experts have been saying that that's technically possible but
highly highly unlikely that nineteen or twenty of these drones
would all fall subject to this navigational error and cross
into Polish territory. They're saying that this was an absolutely

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purposeful act on behalf of Russia. The drone barrage did
force Polish airports to close. The President of Poland, Carol
no Waki, said this was an unprecedented moment in the
history of NATO and in Poland. In a speech to parliament,
the Prime minister called for full mobilization of NATO members.

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Reprimanded those that are prone to criticize yourinepe and countries
rather than Russia. They said, at a time when Russian
aggression aggressive intentions leave no doubt, do not look for
an enemy in the West. We are waiting to see
what the White House is going to do about this.
President Trump did take the truth social. All he wrote
was what's with Russia violating Poland's airspace with drones? Here

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we go with an exclamation point. We do know the
White House is planning to speak at some point today
with Poland's President Donald Tusk, who he met in the
Oval Office just last week. Trump did say during his
talks with Carol Milwauki will put more. I'm sorry the
president of Milwauki, the Prime Minister is Tusk Milwauki said,

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we'll put more there if they want, referring to an
American military presence in Poland. But he says, but they've
long wanted to have a larger president. We have presence.
We have some countries that have more, but not too many.
But no, they'll be staying in Poland. We are very
much aligned with Poland, where with Poland all the way,
and we will help.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Poland protect itself.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
One of the other deals in DC right now is
a federal judge has ruled that President Trump at least
now cannot remove Lisa Cook from the Fed Reserve's Board
of Governors.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
This is the.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Woman who had been accused of, not charged with any crime,
but accused of some sort of mortgage fraud that she
had falsified documents related to her mortgages. Even though she's
not been charged or, like I said, convicted of a crime.
The question for the courts to figure out is the
president does have the power to fire a board of

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governor's governor with cause. The question is is an accusation
of crime enough of a cause.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on Demand from KFI
AM six forty.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
If you missed it, today. By the way, that first
hour was an absolute blast. Conan Nolan, the chief political
reporter for KNBC for Channel four here in town, sat
in and just hung out for an hour and a
great conversation with him about all kinds of stuff, stuff
that's going on now in politics, locally, in state, et cetera.
But he's just he's been around for I mean, he's
been at KNBC for thirty nine years.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
And he is a wealth of knowledge. And it was
a good conversation plus some of the other stuff that
you know. He was in San Francisco during the nineteen
eighty nine earthquake. He was there to watch the World
Series and ended up reporting for two weeks on the
earthquake that stopped Game three of the World He just
happened to be there at the game, and so just
happened to be there, wow. And he was a longtime

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NBC employees, so he was there. But it was ABC
that was broadcasting the game. So while ABC had all
of their resources there, NBC had maybe one or two.
So he was able to walk out into the parking
lot basically and find a satellite truck and convince them
to let him go on. And I promise you the
network will pay for this and then to do live

(08:13):
shots from that. So anyway that's gonna be up on
the podcast. You can always listen to the podcast at
I don't know wherever you find your podcast.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Just type in Gary.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
Works on the iHeart app. I know that because I've
listened to it there Apple Podcasts. I bet you can
even find it on Spotify. Find it on Spotify, you
can find a spreaker. I think there's a bunch of
stuff that you can find it on. So just type in
Gary and Shannon and you'll find it. One of the
big stories today is that multiple Russian drones did cross
into Poland. European officials have said this was a deliberate
provocation on behalf of Russia that's going to potentially cause

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some NATO retaliation of some kind. We don't know what
it means exactly.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
We do know that President Trump is supposed to talk
with Poland's president and Poland's Prime minister at some point today.
We haven't seen specific schedule from the White House, but
that will be taking place. Justin Warsham joins us. Among
other things, Justin is a friend of the show. What
other title would you like, would you like licensed reeltor

(09:13):
in the state of California. Yeah, license broker, license broker.

Speaker 4 (09:16):
Yeah, I'm a broker, owner of my own real estate
company here in southern California.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
And we talk about the two places that you are
an expert. Relationship with your wife.

Speaker 6 (09:27):
That's probably we should put that bumped that down. Okay, Well,
no particular order, sure, no particular order. Relationship with your wife,
I'll allow it. Father to two teenage boys. True, it's
about to get messy from you, and how.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
It's supposed to go by the way, Sorry, that's supposed
to be done almost Yeah, you know where they go. Okay.
And then license brokers. Well, so we've talked.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
We've talked before with parents, and we'll get to some
of those topics as well. There was an article that
came out though ap specifically here in southern California, in
the housing market in southern California, and since your neck
deep in it as well, it says that the the
home values and the shortage of homes on the market
usually gives a seller the upper hand obviously when it

(10:07):
comes time to sell, but that that is no longer
necessarily true.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
I don't so this is the second time.

Speaker 4 (10:13):
There was an article like earlier this year from the
La Times that said, somebody from Zillo said it's a
buyer's market.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
I'm not seeing it. Trust me.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
I would love for us to experience like a five
to ten percent drop in home values, just because unaffordability
is such a humongous issue for the state of California,
but especially here in southern California. But I just the
only segment of the market that I'm seeing this be
very obvious is in condos. Condos and townhomes are struggling.
And my guess is that with the higher interest rates

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and then you tack on on average in the San
Fernando Valley, the h away dues are somewhere between four
hundred and six hundred dollars a month. I've had listings
as high as nine hundred, and then I have one
that's right now in the sevens seven hundred range.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
To tell you that you can't hang a flag on
your window.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
To pay for a gardener or a pool service or
but if.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
They're not stealing the money for outright from the paint.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
So that's what I mean, Like I pay one hundred
and thirty dollars a month for a gardener to take
care of my yard in my single family home. These
these two buildings up top. One of them had that
had nine hundred was like a resort in the Hollywood Hills.
Like it had three or two pools, a clubhouse, and
like a ton of greens and had a private hiking
trail up into the hillside behind it. Like there was

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a lot going on for this property. So I could
see that kind of making sense for a higher dues.
But I just I think it's hard for buyers right
now to justify the expense. I mean, you're paying seven
thousand dollars a month for a maybe one to two
bedroom condo.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
That's insane.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
So if someone comes to you today and they say, hey,
we're in no rush, but we'd like to sell the house,
we're going to move out of state or whatever, what's
the better attitude. I mean, is it to just say
we're gonna be patient and we're gonna wait until the
price is I'm in or is it?

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Does it make a difference.

Speaker 4 (12:01):
So I got my license at twenty thirteen. I did
a lot of property management. I became a full time
realtor in twenty eighteen. I got my broker's license and
started my own company in twenty twenty one or I
think it was twenty twenty one, maybe it was twenty twenty,
I can't remember. I was in the top six percent
of realtors in all of La County. So I give
you all that context because I want you to know
where I'm coming from. Like you could say that's not

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enough perspective, or you could say that's enough perspective. What
I tell people is that if you can afford to
buy a house, you should buy a house. I think
you're better off trying to buy a single family home
than a condo or town home. I would tell them
even if that wasn't the market we're in now. But
I've told that people people that for the past seven years.
That's what I have been preaching. It's what people have

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been trying to do, is find this market like timing
the market, and I would like in it to the
research I did about like stocks and investing in that
world where inherently when people try to time the market,
more often than not they're wrong. So I've seen so
many people say, well, I'm going to wait for the
rates to come up, and then the prices will come down,
and unfortunately the rates went up in twenty twenty two,
but the prices didn't really come down in Los Angeles area,

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like it stayed the same or went up. Orange County
had like a twenty percent appreciation the year after the
rates went up. And that's insane that those are pandemic
numbers of appreciation. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. Well
everywhere else. Knoxville, Tennessee, I had a client do the
wrong thing in my opinion. They moved from Noxville to
Southern California, and they paid twice what they paid for
their house in Knoxville for house that's not as big,

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it's a little newer, but there. When I talked to
realtors trying to help them find a listing agent, they
were saying prices were going down. My mom has a
house in Phoenix. The value of her house has gone
down in the last four years. That's what's supposed to
happen when rates go up. The problem in Southern California
we don't ever have enough houses for the many, for
the people that want them. We cannot find a way
for the demand to meet the supply or the supply

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to meet demand.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
Sorry. And then with well, we're gonna we'll come back. Okay.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
I have a question because there's a lot of talk lately,
of course about Fed Reserve government all that sort of thing.
In terms of just interest rates, I'm curious about how
much you pay attention to that kind of I mean,
that's one of the factors that obviously goes into the equation,
but but it's the one that probably gets more headlines
than anything else does. All right, Gary and Shanner will continue.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Justin and I were talking about just contractors, dealing with
guys coming in giving you estimates and stuff like that,
and there's there's something to be said.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
In fact, I was talking to my friend who.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
Was a hobby woodworker and he's had to deal with
a bunch of contractors since he retired out of law enforcement.
He got into a lot of you know, doing some
stuff around the house. And there's something about contractors that
the rare person will come in and just be completely

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honest with you, like, hey, you probably honestly you don't
want to do that. You're going to, you know, decrease
of the integrity of this wall. Or that fence or whatever.
A better option might be to do this, and we're
not really the guys that do that. So many times
it's like, oh, not only do you want to replace
that fence, you should replace every post down that side

(15:12):
of the house. And let me add something to it.
You don't want just cedar, want you want Canadian cedar,
and you want Canadian cedar specifically from the Manitoba area
because that's the best weather resistant. And I can get
it for you. I mean, it's gonna cost, but I
can get it for you. Let me call my uncle,
And I mean the hard part.

Speaker 4 (15:31):
In my like, I do a lot of this when
working with clients, where I kind of, for lack of
a better way of putting a mediator slash translator, where like,
I speak construction to the contractor and then I translate
layperson to the homeowner. And the reason I do that
is because my dad was a contractor, and so I
grew up around it. So I can't build a house
my dad could. I could not, but I at least

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know what they're talking about the language. And so I've
worked with contractors that I would trust to watch my children,
right and so, but and they're being honest, but I've
also seen them when I refer them out to clients,
and you have people who have no idea what it
takes to do any of this work, but inherently go
into the process by saying like I can't trust you.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
And it's because a lot of them can't be trusted. Unfortunately.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
I had a brief moment where I was trying to
develop a part of my real estate business where I
would manage construction, Like if you called me and said
we want to do a major overall on our house,
like I would bring the guys, I would give you
a budget, and I think I was charging at this time.
It was like I think it was like twenty five
k is what I was just charging just for my
consulting services. And what that concluded was you never had

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to talk to the contractor. I kept them on track,
I kept you updated, I was visiting the site, I
was doing all of that stuff for like a three
month six month renovation. And then the client who I
kept saying, what's your budget? What's your budget, They're like,
we'd have no idea what any of this costs, so
we don't even know. I said, Okay, well, we'll talk
through what you want. I talked to them about the price.
The price was fair, but when they saw my ticket

(16:56):
of twenty five K for my services, they're like, that's
too much. And the guy who had kind of set
me up with was like, well, do you want to
drop your price? And I was like no, and he's like,
what do you mean? And I said, first of all,
the clients start off by saying they have no idea
what it costs. Now suddenly they've been less ideal. It's
us too that they know, well, that's too much. And
I said, so that says to me that this is
about a negotiation. And I said, if I drop my price,

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then I'm inherently saying that I gouge them.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
And I know I'm not.

Speaker 4 (17:21):
I know I believe I'm offering my services already at
a discount, so I'm not interested in negotiating with it.
And it's hard, Like I always tell clients, you want
to talk to at least three or four different contractors.
You never want to go with the cheapest, in my opinion,
unless you have lots of people who have used them
and they trust them, like maybe that would be the difference,
because usually there's a guy who talks about in lending.

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He said, you can get it fast or you can
get it cheap, but you can't get it fast and cheap, right,
And so usually when you get it cheap, and when
we flipped houses, we've gone with contractors that have bid
things less and they just they need so much more babysitting,
like there's just so much watching.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
And then you want a client communication, are you coming
today to be there?

Speaker 4 (18:00):
You want to find the person, in my opinion, that
you that you that they care, they're passionate about their craft.
Like the guy that I refer out the most rich,
Alcunteara with H two construction him.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
I've used that guy.

Speaker 4 (18:12):
Yeah, I've referred him to anybody because I've tried to say, like.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
We need to not spend this much money on this thing.

Speaker 4 (18:18):
Because we did this, and he has literally looked me
in the eye and go, I'm not even going to
charge you, but I'm not going to do that because
that's not the right way to do it.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
And I went, you know what, you're right, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
We were talking about the housing market. What's going on
with this in terms of availability of for sale properties
here in southern California, and I being the outside guy.
I mean, I have bought and sold homes before, but
I don't do it but once every fifteen years, thankfully,
I would meet the eye. I just it's such a

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nightmare sometimes in my mind that I'm glad that people
like you are dumb.

Speaker 4 (18:55):
Three times is the average number somebody buys or sells
a house in their lifetime in the US.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Bought a hole, sold a home, bought a condo, sold
a kando of average right there, I'm right about average
average realtor does about fourteen to seventeen transactions in a year. Well,
and that's another one of those things that you are paying.
Like if I'm going to have somebody coming in tile,
I don't know the kitchen. I want somebody who does
it every day. I could do it. I'm pally capable

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of You can watch YouTube. You could figure it out.
Maybe you've done it before. Who's going to take me
four weeks to do it and rip it down a
couple of times because I screwed it up. Interest rates,
in terms of with the big headline interest rates, the
Fed Reserve is supposed to meet based on the way
the economic numbers are pointing it looks as if it's
more likely that the Fed Reserve is going to cut
interest rates this next time that they meet later this month.

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When you know that, when you see that, do you
do you just rub your hands together, You go, oh, mama,
it's going to start rolling in as an agent as
a broker or do you think that's just one of
the many things that goes into the housing market and
will push one way or the other.

Speaker 4 (20:02):
I don't get me wrong, I like making money. But
and I know this is going to make it sound
like I'm being disingenuous, like I know you know me
well enough, but maybe the people listening, like I'm honest
to a flaw. And I think that dropping interest rates
is not a solution to the problem, at least in
southern California. Now, the problem that I see is that
the FED is for the overall country. The overall country

(20:22):
has seen price drops in other markets. We just haven't
seen it here significantly enough, in my opinion, like it's
segments of the market. And so therefore what we all
know is that when the interest rates drop. I actually
was just talking to my lender today and she was
at a networking group, and she said that with the
interest rates dropping to what they're saying they've dropped on,
I think it was Friday, or it's either the last

(20:44):
Friday or it's coming Friday. To your question, this is
how little I pay attention to the rates because I
don't think it really should be moving the needle as
much as people's eve. They're expecting five point five million
buyers to enter the market nationwide when those interest rates drop,
so in Southern California, the more buyers for anybody who
bought their house from twenty twenty one or twenty twenty
to twenty twenty two, you know what it's like when

(21:05):
there's a lot of people out there who can throw
a lot of money at a house, and it gets
really competitive, and you're making multimillion dollar decisions or over
a million dollar decision in fifteen to twenty minutes by
looking at a house like that's that's insane. And you
get to see it once and if you're like, but
I want to see it again, I'm like, well, they're
probably going to go with somebody else who doesn't want
to see it twice.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Right now, you have time. Now.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
The average days on the market is twenty eight during
the pandemic. It was seven so most houses half the
house is sold in the state of California near twenty
twenty and twenty twenty one sold in less than a week,
And by sold, I mean they got it under contract.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Obviously it took twenty to thirty days before it was
a done deal.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
But they have a buyer, they have multiple They were
always double digit offers, and now on average, I think
most listing agents some might call me and say that's garbage.
I get more, and good for you, but I think
you're lucky to get like three to five offers on
a fair to mid level house. Condos, You're just you're
sitting for months and months and months.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
Do you ever see a day when real estate like
that goes the way of say buying a Tesla, where
you can do it entirely on your phone or on
your computer without involving.

Speaker 4 (22:11):
There's been lots of talk, like everybody says AI is
going to ruin my job, don't I've never been worried
about AI. There's been so many When I first started
doing I became an agent in twenty eighteen Purple Bricks,
which is I believe if I remember an Australian based
real estate company. It's like Zillow in Australia. And they
came and brought their Australian commission model to the US

(22:31):
and everybody's like, oh no, because they always love to
talk about how agents in America make more than agents elsewhere,
but there's so many factors that they never talk about
the fact that agents elsewhere also get salaries.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
They don't talk about that anyway.

Speaker 4 (22:44):
So they came here and all the realtors that I
know people have been doing this for since the seventies were.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Like, oh crap, we're screwed, we're hoes. And I just
was like, I don't know, I'm still new.

Speaker 4 (22:53):
And what I very quickly learned they went away within
a year and a half because it was they couldn't
afford it. It just didn't work out that that model
does not function in the US. I'm not smart enough
to tell you why. I just know that I've seen
lots of people say the sky is falling and it
never fell, and so I think AI is the same thing.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Sure, if you are what I love about real estate
is you could be.

Speaker 4 (23:12):
A churn and burn realtor, and that's you're just in
it for the numbers, you discount your commission because you
don't care about the person. You're just onto the next.
And you have this machine of generating leads and you're
doing a sales job. You can absolutely build a business
that way and be very successful and arguably maybe even
effective if your client knows a little bit about what
they're doing.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
But most people that I interact with have no clue.
They have no clue about.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
What it takes to build a house, what involved in
the house, what the what the legalities are. So I
just don't see it being automated or like a tesla
where you go in. I mean, it's hard enough to
buy a car like you can't. It's a hassle. I mean,
imagine if you more than trip Well no, it's like
ten times the price as a car. Well are you okay? Yeah, yeah,
you started getting a little red there. Yes, your glasses.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
I've never seen this before, but your glasses started fogging
up from the inside.

Speaker 4 (23:58):
So I guess because you read stuff that says that, like,
real estate agents are ranked up there with used car salesman,
and I'm sure that there are used car salesmen out
there too. Are offended by that because it's like, well,
I know there are people out there who do things
unethical most of it. In my experience, most realtors out
there that do a bad job is out of ignorance,
not out of like malicious intent. They're not trying to
host people. They just don't know anything, and there's not

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the industry is bad. You could take a three month
online class answer about a little over one hundred questions
with the state, and you can help people make multimillion
dollar decisions.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
And that doesn't seem right.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
When we come back, we'll switch gears a little bit
and talk about parenting because I'm curious about what you
know about your kids and their phones oh so little.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
We are following a breaking story out of Utah Valley University.
It looks as if Charlie Kirk, an activist executive director
of Turning Point USA. He's been making a name for
himself around conservative circles. He was the one that was
interviewed Gavin Newsom's first podcast, among other things, may have
been shot while hosting a debate there in Utah. There

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is a video that has posted on social media that
shows from a very far distance, looks like maybe about
one hundred yards. Whoever's holding the phone, we assume and
taking this video looks into a big crowd of people,
hundreds of people surrounding this tent that is housing Charlie Kirk,

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just kind of a pop up tent and shading him
from the sunshine, beautiful day there in Utah, and he's
talking about something. According to Fox News, who has spoken
to former Congressman Jason Chafitz who is at the event,
that Charlie Kirk was talking literally talking about mass shootings
perpetrated by people who are transgender.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
When a shot rang out.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
I'm a play for you, just a quick eight second
or so video the audio that you'll be able to
hear obviously, and you can hear a single gunshot.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
Counting not for a game on the stoh.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Now again that's you hear the single shot. And in
the video you can actually see some sort of a
reaction that Charlie Kirk is clearly hit by something. From
the video, you can't see where where on his body
he's hit, exactly what it was that happened. But again
he's sitting under a pop up tent. There is a

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backdrop behind him that says the American Comeback Tour, which
is the name of this debate tour that he's been on.
He's got some merch on the table in front of him.
He's holding a microphone and sitting in a chair. There
is armed security. I mean, you could just see even
in the picture, there's security right in front of his desk,

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between he and the crowd. There's a couple of security guards,
one off of the stage left and then one on
the stage with him.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
But he is.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
There's just an awful image of him. It appears to
be right after he's shot, leaning back in his chair.
If he's going to fall off the chair, it's hard
to tell. Once that shot rang out, whoever's taken this
video immediately zoomed out and panned to the right, and
you could hear it was a bunch of guys that
was in this group recording this video.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
They look to the right now.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
I don't know if it's because that's where they may
have heard the original gun shot from, or if that
was just an involuntary reaction, but you can hear those
guys react to what happened with exclaim and then the
holy whatever they were going to say, it cuts off
right before that. So I'll play this again just so
that you have an idea of what's going on. I

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don't think I'm gonna play it a whole lot more
than that. But already we're starting to see some very
high profile leaders come out and basically praying for Charlie
Kirk again, shot while doing a debate today at Utah
Valley University. JD Vance has come out and said that

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his heart and his prayers are with Charlie Kirk and
his family. To FBI Director Cash Pttel said they're monitoring
reports of this shooting, the thoughts are with Charlie, his
loved ones, and everyone affected. Agents will be on the
scene very quickly, and that the FBI stands in full
support of the ongoing response and investigation. Again, this is
a developing story, very little information right now, but it

(28:35):
appears that activist and executive director of Atturning Point USA, Charlie
Kirk appears to have been shot while hosting a debate
today at Utah Valley University. Sorry you taught, yeah, Utah
Valley University. And we'll get some more information, including an
update from a congressman who was on the scene. Let

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me play that video the audio of it. Once again,
we're not on a GameLine this story. And again you
can see his body react as if he was hit
by something. But we don't know the exact details as
of yet. We'll try to get some more information, all right,
We'll come back and bring you any updates that we
can out of Utah. In the meantime, we're gonna have

(29:17):
an update on some news, Gary and Shannon.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
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