October 7, 2025 • 28 mins
Gary and Shannon kick off the hour diving into today’s biggest stories: a miraculous survival after a medical helicopter crash on Highway 50, Trump distancing himself from Ghislaine Maxwell and Diddy, and gold hitting a record-breaking $4,000 per ounce.Then, as storms Jerry and Priscilla swirl in the Atlantic, Gary gets one last chance to drop his favorite phrase—“the Fujiwara effect.”Later, Atlantic writer Spencer Kornhaber joins the show to unpack his viral piece “Taylor Swift’s Fairy Tale Is Over” and what her new album says about the pop icon’s next chapter. Finally, Gary and Shannon close out the day with #TrueCrimeTuesday, diving into Ryan Murphy’s chilling new Monsters series about serial killer Ed Gein.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
What else is going on?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Twenty four there?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Exactly meant like you're back in the seventies or what.
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
Well, we mentioned the helicopter that went down on Highway
fifty in Sacramento. This was a massive response, as you
can imagine, shutting down all eastbound traffic last night. The
helicopter apparently lifted off from UC Davis Medcenter when it crashed.
This was just an awful scene with at least one
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person being trapped underneath the helicopter.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, I mean it went down in the lanes of traffic,
and you could see in the video that the fire
suppression system immediately went off to prevent any fire from spreading.
So that they're saying is probably one of the reasons
why the three were able to survive the crash. Now,
all three of the crew members, the pilot, a nurse
and a paramedic who were on board. They are all
(01:15):
in critical condition. Back at UC Davis Medical.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Center, it was half a dozen bysanders or a dozen
bystanders that ended up rushing over to lift the helicopter
off the female victim. Three people are in critical condition,
another man a woman pulled from the wreck. Again, it
happened about seven pm. But you don't hear about medical
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helicopters all the time either.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Will President Trump pass out pardons like to Diddy and
to Gallaine Maxwell? He was asked about them in an
Oval office moment yesterday. He was asked about Gallaine Maxwell
after the Supreme Court's refused to hear her appeal, and
he said, I'll take a look at it. I'll speak
to the DoD. I wouldn't consider it or not considerate.
I don't know anything about it. He also said at
(02:05):
some point, I haven't heard her name in a while,
so he's not been reading any of the headlines. But
that would for a lot of people, even in his camp,
that would be a bridge too far for him to
give any sort of a pardon to a woman who
is convicted of child sex trafficking.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Well, and he said no to Ditty, Apparently during a
newsmac's interview, he said, yeah, it's hard. You know, we're
just like human beings. We don't like to have things.
Cloud are judgment right. I don't know what the hell
that that means. But there was a lot more than
clouds that got in the way of Ditty's judgment calls.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Gold has been above four thousand dollars today for the
first time ever, four thousand dollars and ounce climb fifty
one percent just this year on central bank buying, on
increased demand for goldbacked exchange traded fund a week or dollar,
all of these things pushing gold up over four thousand
dollars for the first time. Right now, it's at four
(03:06):
thousand and five dollars an ounce.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Tropical Storm Jerry is farmed in the Atlanta. We've got
Priscilla in the Pacific, but they're saying Jerry could become
the season's next hurricane. Is there any chance we get
another storm develops and we get a fuji ujiara?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Does one day go by without us thinking about it? Fujiwara?
I think about it more in interpersonal relationships. Sometimes when
two people are just gigantic storms of a mess they
create an even bigger mess together. That's the Fujiwara. That's beautiful. Well,
if the Dodgers are gonna make it to the World
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Series and win it, they're gonna need their bullpen to
do what the bullpen did last night, which is bend
not break. The Dodgers held on to beat the Phillies
four to three, even though they tried everything they could
in that night thinning to give it up, including Tommy
Edmund throwing a ball about sixty four feet instead of
the seventy five feet that was necessary to get it
(04:08):
to first Baseman Freddy Freeman.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Really bad disease all throughout California. That's poisoning sea lions.
And the reason that you care other than you care
about sea lions and they're so cute and what is
hurting them? But it could spread toward to your pet.
You've got pets, you're walking near the beach areas. They
say that unheard of levels in the Bay Area about
(04:31):
one hundred and six sea lions suffering from the bacterial
disease leptosporosis, and it's killing them. They've known about this
disease for over fifty years, but the current outbreak is
not following usual patterns with this unprecedented attack and outbreak.
But yeah, they don't know why this is happening now,
(04:56):
but maybe weather patterns and things like that. If contracted,
disease can be harmful to humans and animals. So your
curious dog interacts with a six sea lion at the beach,
comes home, it can hurt you, It can hurt your dog.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
You can all die from it.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I would click on the number of Southern California issues
that we've had, but they're all paywalls, so I can't.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
The family of Mark Sanchez has put out a statement
after his arrest and of course, the now felony charges
against him. He had initially faced misdemeanors for his role
in this fight that took place near a downtown hotel
in Indianapolis early Saturday morning. The family Mark's brothers, specifically Nick, wrote,
this has been a deeply dissing, distressing time for everyone involved.
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Mark and our family are incredibly grateful for the concern, love,
and support we've received over the last few days. Mark
remains medical care for the serious injuries he sustained and
has focused on his recovery as the legal process continues.
Police have said that Mark Sanchez was the one who
started the fight with a truck driver. The truck driver
then pepper sprayed Mark Sanchez and pulled out a knife
(06:04):
to try to defend himself. He has pleaded not guilty
to all charges including unauthorized entry of a motor vehicle,
public intoxication, battery, and battery resulting in serious bodily injury.
He threw the man into a wall and onto the ground.
The man told the police in a statement that he
feared for his life and that's why he used the
knife in self defense. There was a courtinate that was
(06:27):
scheduled for today, but it has been rescheduled to November.
And we also understand that guy, the victim in this
case has sued Mark Sanchez and Fox the network. I
don't know what they think Fox has responsibility, except that
I guess why not. It's a money ground.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
It is mind and they can show pattern of behavior if.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
The exists, and Fox ignored it.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
They knew it and they were signing off on him. Yeah,
all right. Also was odd is that Mark Sanchez went
to the playoffs with the Jets, I believe in twenty nineteen.
I think it was his rookie year and they lost
in Indianapolis, and that was like his the height of
his NFL success, but he lost anyway. I don't know
if that has anything to do with your with your
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mental where your mind's at when you're back in the city.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
It certainly would not explain the wind sprints in the
alley at twelve thirty in the morning that.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I could that I could see explaining that I still
got it all right. We got a writer coming up
who says the Taylor Swift fairytale is over.
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Speaker 2 (08:16):
I mean want think about your HMO or PPO options,
stuff like that. That just seems more realistic for a
thirty seven year old. My argument was that she's kind
of it's arrested development. We see it in a very
different way, but in Britney Spears also where she doesn't well.
And I know they're different people and they're obviously very
different circumstances, but it feels like Taylor's stuck in the
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twenty four year old Taylor stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Well, and I mentioned, you know, Madonna put out version
two of Confessions on a dance floor and she's sixty seven.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Who's asking for that? Spencer Cornhaber wrote a piece in
The Atlantic, Taylor Swift's fairy Tale is Over. I might
echo some of some of the things that we were
talking about.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Spencer, what's worse putting out this article or are you
putting out a hit piece on scientology?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
How much blowback have you gotten?
Speaker 1 (09:06):
You know?
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I'm doing okay, I've written some mixed things about Taylor
over the years, and I was saying, getting less blowbacks
to this one than some of the other pieces I've
written that path. I feel like a lot of the
Swifties are having mixed feelings themselves, ais and sort of
surprising being received. They're not known for expressing criticism of
their girls, but I've heard a lot from even some
(09:27):
for Diehard this time, a lot of people saying this
one the album they expected, and they're feeling.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
A little left down. Well, And we talked a little
bit about this yesterday and we've kind of laughed, had
fun with the idea that some Swifties who are twenty five,
twenty seven, twenty nine years old now grew up with this,
but they're starting to experience life as an adult that's
not always encapsulated in a three and a half minute
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pop song about breaking up with the guy that cheated
on you with your best friend.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
That's so true. I mean, the idea of the girl
one case song is really, I guess, terrifying and sort
of intriguing. But but you know the thing about her
is that she's taken these universal scenes and shown how
complex and rich they really are for people, and she's
found ways of making you know, the same old love
(10:21):
story that heard time and time again sound fresh and
unique and funny and witty and me and all these
different things of the course of her career, but just
you know, being a pretty smart songwriter, you know, being
kind of someone who tries different things, and the kind
of production she is is but I can't say that
she's quite living up to that standard with this one.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yeah, you mentioned some uninspired writing, and I think that
that kind of is the way that I was feeling too.
I think she's more inspired when she's pissed off.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
That might be true. That might be true. She sounds
a little pissed off on some of these songs. You know,
there's one song it's kind of like going after some
other pop star who apparently has been talking trash about
her behind her back.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
You know this Charlie.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Well, I couldn't possibly speculate, but some people are saying,
Charlie xx.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Yeah, she's looking at me now like I'm crazy. Now
I was able to spend out the.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Time, No, I'm looking at you like did he say
he can't say it?
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Like?
Speaker 1 (11:21):
There's some sort of controversy as a journalist where you
can't you can't bring up Charlie s e X and
in the in the in the Taylor Swift sphere, that's funny.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
You have to you just have to put an alleged
before it. Allegedly the song is about Charlie XCX, you know,
and saying that that, you know, Charlie Kicks put out
a song last year it was kind of about feeling
insecure next some more famous pop star, and everyone assumed
that song was about Taylor Swift, and Taylor apparently, if
you read between the lines on this song, took that
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song as sort of an aufront. It was like Charlie
was saying that. Allegedly Charlie saying that she felt sick
at seeing Taylor's face. And what Taylor basically says in
the song is why are you so obsessed with me?
You're like a tiny toy toy chahuaala that sparkeding a purse.
That's how much you threatened me. And it's actually kind
of sweet and it's actually kind of romantic how much
you're thinking about me. It's kind of like a fun
(12:17):
mean girl moment. I don't know if I don't know
if it's like she needed to put down into the world.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Yeah, but why.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Would you put down Charlie sex. It just sounds kind
of kind of juvenile, right, aren't there bigger fish fry?
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Yeah, it's a little it might be a little punching down,
but you know, people love the drama that. You know,
Kedrick and versus Drake was one of the the you know,
the most important popular culture moments last year. So maybe
she's thinking she didn't get a popping with the pop
worlds this year.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Did she take a hit at Travis's ex girlfriend? I
think I saw something that alluded to.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
That some people think. So there's one song where she's
talking to her lover and saying, you know you felt
lone being a LAS relationship becaus your girlfriend was just
like looking her phone all the time, And so that's
I think that's pretty clearly as an allusion to Taylor's
past relation Travis's past relationship.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Yeah, there's a video of Travis with the ex girlfriend
in question, and she's kind of drinking a glass of
wine and he's like, get off your phone. She's just
looking at her phone the whole time when they're there,
and that resurfaced. It's the whole thing. How much time
does your wife look at her phone when she's with.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
You, Gary, I don't. She usually does it behind my back. Oh, okay,
only when I'm trying to say things to her. Spencer
Cornhaber wrote in The Atlanta You can follow him s
Cornhaber on x Spencer. Thanks for taking time for us today.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Thanks a lot.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
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You're projecting, Oh, is that what I'm doing? That is
not what I am doing. Twelve FA facilities saw staffing
shortages last night. Burbank, Phoenix, Denver also had called staffing
triggers in the FAA operations plan. Some other facilities that
handle air traffic around airports in New Jersey and Florida
(14:13):
and Washington and Indianapolis were also short staffed. You mentioned this,
and this could be the beginning of some significant pressure
on politicians to get past this government shutdown. We'll see
if it actually materializes.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Kamala Harris was in La yesterday on her book tour.
They're saying she's going full on anti mode, anti mode.
She's been touring promoting the book one hundred and seven
days and yesterday, she said to the audience here in
Los Angeles. And I'm quoting here and I can't read
the whole thing. There's so much about this moment that
is trying to make people feel like they've lost their minds,
(14:48):
when in fact, these mfors are crazy.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
She said, mfers the whole word. Really.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Apparently people loved it, because people love it when you
say things like mfor in public.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I've heard each day say those words you have not, yes,
I have, you have yeah, And it had a delighted
response Yes, really yeah, because it's so sparing, so unusual.
You've only heard her say that once. Probably I've heard
Elmer say some bad words on the radio. Now, Israelis
are mourning the dead, fearing for the remaining hostages. They
(15:20):
are marking today two years since Amasa's October seventh attack.
The commemorations today come as Israel and Hamas are continuing
those indirect negotiations in Egypt. I was about to say
Europe for some reason. Well, it's Tuesday, it's twelve thirty,
it's time for true crime Tuesday. The story is true?
(15:41):
Sound true?
Speaker 4 (15:44):
No, it sounds made up. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Barry and Shannon Present True Crime. Before we get into
the specifics of this show monster the ed Geene story,
I'll stick with Gene. I think you're probably right there.
I have a question that has bothered me since I
started thinking about who makes movies? Do you have any
hand cream? No?
Speaker 4 (16:13):
No?
Speaker 2 (16:14):
No?
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Oh, okay, I've made some hand cream. I left it
at home.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
I was going to say, you look pretty flaky today.
The question of who rights the scariest movies that you
can think of?
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Right?
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Are they movies or are they books? That's also that's
fine too, But whoever creates this type of thing. I
think it really came to a head when the Saw
movies were so popular that there are people out there
who have really sick, demented thoughts about humanity and us
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as bags of meat and bone, and that they want
to put it on paper or they want to put
it on celluloid. They want to show other people the crazy,
praved things that go on in their heads. And I
always wonder what didn't make the cut, What are the
craziest murder scenes in movies and TV and books? Also
(17:14):
what was edited out? Because some of these I'm not
a shrinking violet, but some of them are completely unnecessary.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
And to that point, when I'm watching the latest Ryan
Murphy show about ed Geen, I'm thinking to myself, why
didn't you just stick with what you had?
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Why add more?
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Instead of leaving something on the cutting room floor, he
added things to make the plot even scarier, or more gruesome,
or worse.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Ed Gean is a.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Guy I guess grew up in the forties Plainfield, Wisconsin.
He's torn between his perverse instincts. I guess there's an
autoerotic asphyxiation scene right off the bat, and his devotion
to his mother right off the bat.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
In the show, I'm not spoiling anything. If you spent
more than five minutes watching this, he's caught wearing his
mother's underwear, hanging from a belt, standing on a chair
in his room, and masturbating, to which I asked my husband,
who happened to be walking by in the home. How
many serial killers were caught masturbating by their mother?
Speaker 2 (18:22):
All of them? Probably right, But that's not to say
that everybody who's been caught masturbating by the treadn't.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
That's what he said, which really troubles me. That Bothia
did that really trouble.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Okay, that's funny. But this guy, the mom in this case,
played by Laurie Metcalf.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
And the whole time, you're like, Aunt, Becky, Oh, I
heard you.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Say that earlier.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
You know what that meant?
Speaker 2 (18:50):
All right? So in this case, this super religious mother
abhors sex and sin and women. And I guess the
older son had already gone away with a woman, so.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
The older son had at least in the first episode,
she was upset with the older son because he had
been getting close to a woman. And in fact, he
tells Ed, his younger brother, that he's going to marry
this girl, and you got to get away from mom.
And Ed doesn't like that. His older brother said he
got to get away from mom. So there we are.
Here's what we know about the true story. This isn't
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a spoiler. This is just what happened in history. And
like I said, Ryan Murphy takes liberties and how and
this is no different. It's kind of the trouble that
everyone got into with the Menendez brothers. Remember it was
Ryan Murphy second season of the show Monster where he
profiled the Menedez brothers, and he took liberties and he
took the molestation thread a lot further than it ever
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went in real life, and that's when people started calling
for new trial and you know, victims' rights and all
of this stuff. Where it was Ryan Murphy's own adaptation
of that story was the reason why there was renewed
attention to the Menenda's brothers. So here he is with
ed Gean taking different liberties, making something out of nothing here,
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but here is the true story. Ed Gean was born
in nineteen o six to his parents, George and Augusta.
He had one brother, Henry. They moved to the farm
in Plainfield, Wisconsin when Ed was young. They lived mostly
in isolation. He attended school, Ed did, but was said
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to be punished by his mother if he tried to
make friends. Grew up in a strict and religious household.
One of the things and producer Matt chimed in on
this as well. One of the hurdles you have to
get over is Ed's voice in the show. Now he
is played by the Sons of Anarchy, haughty guy Charlie Hunum. Yeah,
(20:50):
really yes, which is why I think a lot of
people had fascination about it. At least I had fascination
through the whole first episode that he's able to transform
himself into this character.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Oh but okay, go on.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Yeah, and his voice in this is so chilling and
so eerie. It's hard to take. You're just kind of
cringing the whole time when he's speaking. Anyway, we'll get
into more of this when we come back about what
happened in the real life story of ed Geen, what
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went on with his parents and abuse and the farm
where I mean the whole like isolated on a farm
in a religious household.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
What scary movie isn't that? It seems pretty cut cookie cutters.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
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It's okay if you like that, that's cool. It's your birthday.
You love it, love it? Okay, Okay, I'll give it
a second middle school, you know, high school middle school. Yeah,
so it's like vintage Jonas.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Okay, all right, I get it explains a lot. I
get like Disney Disney like you know, Okay. Edward Theodorgan
born in Wisconsin in nineteen o six. Came from a
fervently religious from the Lutheran family there, and is the
subject of Ryan Murphy's latest season of Monsters.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Lutherans used to be more hardcore because the Lutherans, I know,
it's like a Catholic light. They're a lovely people. I
love the services. Uh it's it's lovely. You can be
married and.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Be a priest. Well a big fan of the luther
Throw whatever flavor it is, throw into the mix. That
dad was an absolutely raging, violent alcoholic. So edwar rows
up in a at the very least confusing home and
in all honesty, I mean the he was put in
jail for exhuming corpses from graveyards and it gets gross.
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He was fashioning keepsakes from their bones and their skin.
He confessed only to killing two women nineteen fifty four
and nineteen fifty seven.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
He made a lamp shade from human skin'sah.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
I mean that's resourceful.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
One word well, I mean, if you're living in Plainfield, Wisconsin,
on a farm, you're not going to go down to
the target and buy a lamp shade. You're gonna make
one out of animal skin.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Are you not, or you decide you probably don't need
a lamp shade, that you don't need it that much
that you would use human skin for it's well, you.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Could use animal skin, right, yeah, a deer as possible.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
So one of the issues that you have.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
I'm gonna google this and this may be one of
my worst googles. Can you make a lamp shade out
of skin?
Speaker 2 (24:07):
I thought you said he already did. I just want
to see if it's common.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
It is not.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
It is not good. None of it is good common.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
I just meant like to make it out of like
deer skin, Like if you lived off the land, did
you make things for your.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Home with like you know, I get where you're coming.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Thank you. I was dying out here for like right, yeah,
like a goat. Goat skin would be probably a lamp shade. Okay,
I'll move on. You know, your birthdays not until July.
I'm going to have a hard time remembering that between
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now and then you have to find a goat and then.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
It will not be homemade, trust me. But one of
the issues that is that ed Gean eventually, I mean
that he was confessed to killing a couple of women.
He was eventually found unfit to stand trial, but he
was dealing with hallucinations. And one of the things that
happens in this show is Ryan Murphy kind of blurs
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the line between what actually happened and the hallucinations. So
he is basically crediting Ed Gean with killing more people
than he might have actually killed, right.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Because you got to know what's hallucination and what's not.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
And since he's doing it from Ed's perspective here, that's
why the line is blurred because even Ed didn't know
apparently what was going on.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Yes, an untrustworthy narrator, he did tell investigators this was
in real life, that his desire to kill and keep
human flesh was driven by his deep connection with his mother,
his desire to be more like a woman by wearing
their skin. So this is kind of like a now
(26:01):
silence of the lamb. You're right, Buffalo Bill. Yeah, but
you told me was not real not that long ago.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Well, it's that case is not real. But I'm sure
that people took the writer's creators took some sort of
liberties with past serial killer cases. Yeah, I'm worried about Well,
I'll tell you what I was gonna say. I'm worried
about you because you watched this show. I'm not. I'm
worried about this woman who watched this show. Stand by,
(26:32):
she's gonna how are you guys? Good? Fine, fantastic to hear.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
This is Karen. And in regard to Monster the Gean story,
I all of a sudden blanked on his first name.
I think it's Ed Geen. I am a true crime
enthusiast as well with Hugh Shannon, but I couldn't stop
watching it. I blew through all the episodes so.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Well, I get that, like I started it after that
Chargers game on Sunday, so I had already had my
fill of horror D and darkness and complete depravity, like
I had sat through four hours of it already on
that day. I don't know why I decided to put
sprinkles on top of my disastrous day with more disaster
(27:26):
and detritus, which was this show, but I did. And
I am going to give because you said that, I'm
going to give it another try. I'm going to try
episode two today because I haven't watched four hours of
complete disappointment already.
Speaker 5 (27:40):
So.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
You don't think this was four hours of complete disappointment no, oh,
and not after that game I watched on Sunday. Now
you have some truth full yeah text, do you have
a measuring stick?
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Sometimes when you're you're going through it and you're watching it,
much like you know, hell, you don't realize what you're in.
You're just kind of getting through it. I just got
to get through it and just get your body's getting
through it. It's like it's just like a survival thing.
And then once it's over, you're like, what was that?
Then it hits you right, that's the stage. IMN got it.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
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Well, we mentioned the helicopter that went down on Highway
fifty in Sacramento. This was a massive response, as you
can imagine, shutting down all eastbound traffic last night. The
helicopter apparently lifted off from UC Davis Medcenter when it crashed.
This was just an awful scene with at least one
(00:50):
person being trapped underneath the helicopter.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, I mean it went down in the lanes of traffic,
and you could see in the video that the fire
suppression system immediately went off to prevent any fire from spreading.
So that they're saying is probably one of the reasons
why the three were able to survive the crash. Now,
all three of the crew members, the pilot, a nurse
and a paramedic who were on board. They are all
(01:15):
in critical condition. Back at UC Davis Medical.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Center, it was half a dozen bysanders or a dozen
bystanders that ended up rushing over to lift the helicopter
off the female victim. Three people are in critical condition,
another man a woman pulled from the wreck. Again, it
happened about seven pm. But you don't hear about medical
(01:40):
helicopters all the time either.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Will President Trump pass out pardons like to Diddy and
to Gallaine Maxwell? He was asked about them in an
Oval office moment yesterday. He was asked about Gallaine Maxwell
after the Supreme Court's refused to hear her appeal, and
he said, I'll take a look at it. I'll speak
to the DoD. I wouldn't consider it or not considerate.
I don't know anything about it. He also said at
(02:05):
some point, I haven't heard her name in a while,
so he's not been reading any of the headlines. But
that would for a lot of people, even in his camp,
that would be a bridge too far for him to
give any sort of a pardon to a woman who
is convicted of child sex trafficking.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Well, and he said no to Ditty, Apparently during a
newsmac's interview, he said, yeah, it's hard. You know, we're
just like human beings. We don't like to have things.
Cloud are judgment right. I don't know what the hell
that that means. But there was a lot more than
clouds that got in the way of Ditty's judgment calls.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Gold has been above four thousand dollars today for the
first time ever, four thousand dollars and ounce climb fifty
one percent just this year on central bank buying, on
increased demand for goldbacked exchange traded fund a week or dollar,
all of these things pushing gold up over four thousand
dollars for the first time. Right now, it's at four
(03:06):
thousand and five dollars an ounce.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Tropical Storm Jerry is farmed in the Atlanta. We've got
Priscilla in the Pacific, but they're saying Jerry could become
the season's next hurricane. Is there any chance we get
another storm develops and we get a fuji ujiara?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Does one day go by without us thinking about it? Fujiwara?
I think about it more in interpersonal relationships. Sometimes when
two people are just gigantic storms of a mess they
create an even bigger mess together. That's the Fujiwara. That's beautiful. Well,
if the Dodgers are gonna make it to the World
(03:46):
Series and win it, they're gonna need their bullpen to
do what the bullpen did last night, which is bend
not break. The Dodgers held on to beat the Phillies
four to three, even though they tried everything they could
in that night thinning to give it up, including Tommy
Edmund throwing a ball about sixty four feet instead of
the seventy five feet that was necessary to get it
(04:08):
to first Baseman Freddy Freeman.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Really bad disease all throughout California. That's poisoning sea lions.
And the reason that you care other than you care
about sea lions and they're so cute and what is
hurting them? But it could spread toward to your pet.
You've got pets, you're walking near the beach areas. They
say that unheard of levels in the Bay Area about
(04:31):
one hundred and six sea lions suffering from the bacterial
disease leptosporosis, and it's killing them. They've known about this
disease for over fifty years, but the current outbreak is
not following usual patterns with this unprecedented attack and outbreak.
But yeah, they don't know why this is happening now,
(04:56):
but maybe weather patterns and things like that. If contracted,
disease can be harmful to humans and animals. So your
curious dog interacts with a six sea lion at the beach,
comes home, it can hurt you, It can hurt your dog.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
You can all die from it.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I would click on the number of Southern California issues
that we've had, but they're all paywalls, so I can't.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
The family of Mark Sanchez has put out a statement
after his arrest and of course, the now felony charges
against him. He had initially faced misdemeanors for his role
in this fight that took place near a downtown hotel
in Indianapolis early Saturday morning. The family Mark's brothers, specifically Nick, wrote,
this has been a deeply dissing, distressing time for everyone involved.
(05:42):
Mark and our family are incredibly grateful for the concern, love,
and support we've received over the last few days. Mark
remains medical care for the serious injuries he sustained and
has focused on his recovery as the legal process continues.
Police have said that Mark Sanchez was the one who
started the fight with a truck driver. The truck driver
then pepper sprayed Mark Sanchez and pulled out a knife
(06:04):
to try to defend himself. He has pleaded not guilty
to all charges including unauthorized entry of a motor vehicle,
public intoxication, battery, and battery resulting in serious bodily injury.
He threw the man into a wall and onto the ground.
The man told the police in a statement that he
feared for his life and that's why he used the
knife in self defense. There was a courtinate that was
(06:27):
scheduled for today, but it has been rescheduled to November.
And we also understand that guy, the victim in this
case has sued Mark Sanchez and Fox the network. I
don't know what they think Fox has responsibility, except that
I guess why not. It's a money ground.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
It is mind and they can show pattern of behavior if.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
The exists, and Fox ignored it.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
They knew it and they were signing off on him. Yeah,
all right. Also was odd is that Mark Sanchez went
to the playoffs with the Jets, I believe in twenty nineteen.
I think it was his rookie year and they lost
in Indianapolis, and that was like his the height of
his NFL success, but he lost anyway. I don't know
if that has anything to do with your with your
(07:14):
mental where your mind's at when you're back in the city.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
It certainly would not explain the wind sprints in the
alley at twelve thirty in the morning that.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I could that I could see explaining that I still
got it all right. We got a writer coming up
who says the Taylor Swift fairytale is over.
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Oh one k?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
I mean want think about your HMO or PPO options,
stuff like that. That just seems more realistic for a
thirty seven year old. My argument was that she's kind
of it's arrested development. We see it in a very
different way, but in Britney Spears also where she doesn't well.
And I know they're different people and they're obviously very
different circumstances, but it feels like Taylor's stuck in the
(08:40):
twenty four year old Taylor stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Well, and I mentioned, you know, Madonna put out version
two of Confessions on a dance floor and she's sixty seven.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Who's asking for that? Spencer Cornhaber wrote a piece in
The Atlantic, Taylor Swift's fairy Tale is Over. I might
echo some of some of the things that we were
talking about.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Spencer, what's worse putting out this article or are you
putting out a hit piece on scientology?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
How much blowback have you gotten?
Speaker 1 (09:06):
You know?
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I'm doing okay, I've written some mixed things about Taylor
over the years, and I was saying, getting less blowbacks
to this one than some of the other pieces I've
written that path. I feel like a lot of the
Swifties are having mixed feelings themselves, ais and sort of
surprising being received. They're not known for expressing criticism of
their girls, but I've heard a lot from even some
(09:27):
for Diehard this time, a lot of people saying this
one the album they expected, and they're feeling.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
A little left down. Well, And we talked a little
bit about this yesterday and we've kind of laughed, had
fun with the idea that some Swifties who are twenty five,
twenty seven, twenty nine years old now grew up with this,
but they're starting to experience life as an adult that's
not always encapsulated in a three and a half minute
(09:54):
pop song about breaking up with the guy that cheated
on you with your best friend.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
That's so true. I mean, the idea of the girl
one case song is really, I guess, terrifying and sort
of intriguing. But but you know the thing about her
is that she's taken these universal scenes and shown how
complex and rich they really are for people, and she's
found ways of making you know, the same old love
(10:21):
story that heard time and time again sound fresh and
unique and funny and witty and me and all these
different things of the course of her career, but just
you know, being a pretty smart songwriter, you know, being
kind of someone who tries different things, and the kind
of production she is is but I can't say that
she's quite living up to that standard with this one.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yeah, you mentioned some uninspired writing, and I think that
that kind of is the way that I was feeling too.
I think she's more inspired when she's pissed off.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
That might be true. That might be true. She sounds
a little pissed off on some of these songs. You know,
there's one song it's kind of like going after some
other pop star who apparently has been talking trash about
her behind her back.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
You know this Charlie.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Well, I couldn't possibly speculate, but some people are saying,
Charlie xx.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Yeah, she's looking at me now like I'm crazy. Now
I was able to spend out the.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Time, No, I'm looking at you like did he say
he can't say it?
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Like?
Speaker 1 (11:21):
There's some sort of controversy as a journalist where you
can't you can't bring up Charlie s e X and
in the in the in the Taylor Swift sphere, that's funny.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
You have to you just have to put an alleged
before it. Allegedly the song is about Charlie XCX, you know,
and saying that that, you know, Charlie Kicks put out
a song last year it was kind of about feeling
insecure next some more famous pop star, and everyone assumed
that song was about Taylor Swift, and Taylor apparently, if
you read between the lines on this song, took that
(11:54):
song as sort of an aufront. It was like Charlie
was saying that. Allegedly Charlie saying that she felt sick
at seeing Taylor's face. And what Taylor basically says in
the song is why are you so obsessed with me?
You're like a tiny toy toy chahuaala that sparkeding a purse.
That's how much you threatened me. And it's actually kind
of sweet and it's actually kind of romantic how much
you're thinking about me. It's kind of like a fun
(12:17):
mean girl moment. I don't know if I don't know
if it's like she needed to put down into the world.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Yeah, but why.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Would you put down Charlie sex. It just sounds kind
of kind of juvenile, right, aren't there bigger fish fry?
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Yeah, it's a little it might be a little punching down,
but you know, people love the drama that. You know,
Kedrick and versus Drake was one of the the you know,
the most important popular culture moments last year. So maybe
she's thinking she didn't get a popping with the pop
worlds this year.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Did she take a hit at Travis's ex girlfriend? I
think I saw something that alluded to.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
That some people think. So there's one song where she's
talking to her lover and saying, you know you felt
lone being a LAS relationship becaus your girlfriend was just
like looking her phone all the time, And so that's
I think that's pretty clearly as an allusion to Taylor's
past relation Travis's past relationship.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Yeah, there's a video of Travis with the ex girlfriend
in question, and she's kind of drinking a glass of
wine and he's like, get off your phone. She's just
looking at her phone the whole time when they're there,
and that resurfaced. It's the whole thing. How much time
does your wife look at her phone when she's with.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
You, Gary, I don't. She usually does it behind my back. Oh, okay,
only when I'm trying to say things to her. Spencer
Cornhaber wrote in The Atlanta You can follow him s
Cornhaber on x Spencer. Thanks for taking time for us today.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Thanks a lot.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Absolutely, you're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
You're projecting, Oh, is that what I'm doing? That is
not what I am doing. Twelve FA facilities saw staffing
shortages last night. Burbank, Phoenix, Denver also had called staffing
triggers in the FAA operations plan. Some other facilities that
handle air traffic around airports in New Jersey and Florida
(14:13):
and Washington and Indianapolis were also short staffed. You mentioned this,
and this could be the beginning of some significant pressure
on politicians to get past this government shutdown. We'll see
if it actually materializes.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Kamala Harris was in La yesterday on her book tour.
They're saying she's going full on anti mode, anti mode.
She's been touring promoting the book one hundred and seven
days and yesterday, she said to the audience here in
Los Angeles. And I'm quoting here and I can't read
the whole thing. There's so much about this moment that
is trying to make people feel like they've lost their minds,
(14:48):
when in fact, these mfors are crazy.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
She said, mfers the whole word. Really.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Apparently people loved it, because people love it when you
say things like mfor in public.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I've heard each day say those words you have not, yes,
I have, you have yeah, And it had a delighted
response Yes, really yeah, because it's so sparing, so unusual.
You've only heard her say that once. Probably I've heard
Elmer say some bad words on the radio. Now, Israelis
are mourning the dead, fearing for the remaining hostages. They
(15:20):
are marking today two years since Amasa's October seventh attack.
The commemorations today come as Israel and Hamas are continuing
those indirect negotiations in Egypt. I was about to say
Europe for some reason. Well, it's Tuesday, it's twelve thirty,
it's time for true crime Tuesday. The story is true?
(15:41):
Sound true?
Speaker 4 (15:44):
No, it sounds made up. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Barry and Shannon Present True Crime. Before we get into
the specifics of this show monster the ed Geene story,
I'll stick with Gene. I think you're probably right there.
I have a question that has bothered me since I
started thinking about who makes movies? Do you have any
hand cream? No?
Speaker 4 (16:13):
No?
Speaker 2 (16:14):
No?
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Oh, okay, I've made some hand cream. I left it
at home.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
I was going to say, you look pretty flaky today.
The question of who rights the scariest movies that you
can think of?
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Right?
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Are they movies or are they books? That's also that's
fine too, But whoever creates this type of thing. I
think it really came to a head when the Saw
movies were so popular that there are people out there
who have really sick, demented thoughts about humanity and us
(16:50):
as bags of meat and bone, and that they want
to put it on paper or they want to put
it on celluloid. They want to show other people the crazy,
praved things that go on in their heads. And I
always wonder what didn't make the cut, What are the
craziest murder scenes in movies and TV and books? Also
(17:14):
what was edited out? Because some of these I'm not
a shrinking violet, but some of them are completely unnecessary.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
And to that point, when I'm watching the latest Ryan
Murphy show about ed Geen, I'm thinking to myself, why
didn't you just stick with what you had?
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Why add more?
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Instead of leaving something on the cutting room floor, he
added things to make the plot even scarier, or more gruesome,
or worse.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Ed Gean is a.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Guy I guess grew up in the forties Plainfield, Wisconsin.
He's torn between his perverse instincts. I guess there's an
autoerotic asphyxiation scene right off the bat, and his devotion
to his mother right off the bat.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
In the show, I'm not spoiling anything. If you spent
more than five minutes watching this, he's caught wearing his
mother's underwear, hanging from a belt, standing on a chair
in his room, and masturbating, to which I asked my husband,
who happened to be walking by in the home. How
many serial killers were caught masturbating by their mother?
Speaker 2 (18:22):
All of them? Probably right, But that's not to say
that everybody who's been caught masturbating by the treadn't.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
That's what he said, which really troubles me. That Bothia
did that really trouble.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Okay, that's funny. But this guy, the mom in this case,
played by Laurie Metcalf.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
And the whole time, you're like, Aunt, Becky, Oh, I
heard you.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Say that earlier.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
You know what that meant?
Speaker 2 (18:50):
All right? So in this case, this super religious mother
abhors sex and sin and women. And I guess the
older son had already gone away with a woman, so.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
The older son had at least in the first episode,
she was upset with the older son because he had
been getting close to a woman. And in fact, he
tells Ed, his younger brother, that he's going to marry
this girl, and you got to get away from mom.
And Ed doesn't like that. His older brother said he
got to get away from mom. So there we are.
Here's what we know about the true story. This isn't
(19:23):
a spoiler. This is just what happened in history. And
like I said, Ryan Murphy takes liberties and how and
this is no different. It's kind of the trouble that
everyone got into with the Menendez brothers. Remember it was
Ryan Murphy second season of the show Monster where he
profiled the Menedez brothers, and he took liberties and he
took the molestation thread a lot further than it ever
(19:47):
went in real life, and that's when people started calling
for new trial and you know, victims' rights and all
of this stuff. Where it was Ryan Murphy's own adaptation
of that story was the reason why there was renewed
attention to the Menenda's brothers. So here he is with
ed Gean taking different liberties, making something out of nothing here,
(20:07):
but here is the true story. Ed Gean was born
in nineteen o six to his parents, George and Augusta.
He had one brother, Henry. They moved to the farm
in Plainfield, Wisconsin when Ed was young. They lived mostly
in isolation. He attended school, Ed did, but was said
(20:28):
to be punished by his mother if he tried to
make friends. Grew up in a strict and religious household.
One of the things and producer Matt chimed in on
this as well. One of the hurdles you have to
get over is Ed's voice in the show. Now he
is played by the Sons of Anarchy, haughty guy Charlie Hunum. Yeah,
(20:50):
really yes, which is why I think a lot of
people had fascination about it. At least I had fascination
through the whole first episode that he's able to transform
himself into this character.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Oh but okay, go on.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Yeah, and his voice in this is so chilling and
so eerie. It's hard to take. You're just kind of
cringing the whole time when he's speaking. Anyway, we'll get
into more of this when we come back about what
happened in the real life story of ed Geen, what
(21:27):
went on with his parents and abuse and the farm
where I mean the whole like isolated on a farm
in a religious household.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
What scary movie isn't that? It seems pretty cut cookie cutters.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from kfi
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It's okay if you like that, that's cool. It's your birthday.
You love it, love it? Okay, Okay, I'll give it
a second middle school, you know, high school middle school. Yeah,
so it's like vintage Jonas.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Okay, all right, I get it explains a lot. I
get like Disney Disney like you know, Okay. Edward Theodorgan
born in Wisconsin in nineteen o six. Came from a
fervently religious from the Lutheran family there, and is the
subject of Ryan Murphy's latest season of Monsters.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Lutherans used to be more hardcore because the Lutherans, I know,
it's like a Catholic light. They're a lovely people. I
love the services. Uh it's it's lovely. You can be
married and.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Be a priest. Well a big fan of the luther
Throw whatever flavor it is, throw into the mix. That
dad was an absolutely raging, violent alcoholic. So edwar rows
up in a at the very least confusing home and
in all honesty, I mean the he was put in
jail for exhuming corpses from graveyards and it gets gross.
(23:14):
He was fashioning keepsakes from their bones and their skin.
He confessed only to killing two women nineteen fifty four
and nineteen fifty seven.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
He made a lamp shade from human skin'sah.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
I mean that's resourceful.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
One word well, I mean, if you're living in Plainfield, Wisconsin,
on a farm, you're not going to go down to
the target and buy a lamp shade. You're gonna make
one out of animal skin.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Are you not, or you decide you probably don't need
a lamp shade, that you don't need it that much
that you would use human skin for it's well, you.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Could use animal skin, right, yeah, a deer as possible.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
So one of the issues that you have.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
I'm gonna google this and this may be one of
my worst googles. Can you make a lamp shade out
of skin?
Speaker 2 (24:07):
I thought you said he already did. I just want
to see if it's common.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
It is not.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
It is not good. None of it is good common.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
I just meant like to make it out of like
deer skin, Like if you lived off the land, did
you make things for your.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Home with like you know, I get where you're coming.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Thank you. I was dying out here for like right, yeah,
like a goat. Goat skin would be probably a lamp shade. Okay,
I'll move on. You know, your birthdays not until July.
I'm going to have a hard time remembering that between
(24:49):
now and then you have to find a goat and then.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
It will not be homemade, trust me. But one of
the issues that is that ed Gean eventually, I mean
that he was confessed to killing a couple of women.
He was eventually found unfit to stand trial, but he
was dealing with hallucinations. And one of the things that
happens in this show is Ryan Murphy kind of blurs
(25:18):
the line between what actually happened and the hallucinations. So
he is basically crediting Ed Gean with killing more people
than he might have actually killed, right.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Because you got to know what's hallucination and what's not.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
And since he's doing it from Ed's perspective here, that's
why the line is blurred because even Ed didn't know
apparently what was going on.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Yes, an untrustworthy narrator, he did tell investigators this was
in real life, that his desire to kill and keep
human flesh was driven by his deep connection with his mother,
his desire to be more like a woman by wearing
their skin. So this is kind of like a now
(26:01):
silence of the lamb. You're right, Buffalo Bill. Yeah, but
you told me was not real not that long ago.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Well, it's that case is not real. But I'm sure
that people took the writer's creators took some sort of
liberties with past serial killer cases. Yeah, I'm worried about Well,
I'll tell you what I was gonna say. I'm worried
about you because you watched this show. I'm not. I'm
worried about this woman who watched this show. Stand by,
(26:32):
she's gonna how are you guys? Good? Fine, fantastic to hear.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
This is Karen. And in regard to Monster the Gean story,
I all of a sudden blanked on his first name.
I think it's Ed Geen. I am a true crime
enthusiast as well with Hugh Shannon, but I couldn't stop
watching it. I blew through all the episodes so.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Well, I get that, like I started it after that
Chargers game on Sunday, so I had already had my
fill of horror D and darkness and complete depravity, like
I had sat through four hours of it already on
that day. I don't know why I decided to put
sprinkles on top of my disastrous day with more disaster
(27:26):
and detritus, which was this show, but I did. And
I am going to give because you said that, I'm
going to give it another try. I'm going to try
episode two today because I haven't watched four hours of
complete disappointment already.
Speaker 5 (27:40):
So.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
You don't think this was four hours of complete disappointment no, oh,
and not after that game I watched on Sunday. Now
you have some truth full yeah text, do you have
a measuring stick?
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Sometimes when you're you're going through it and you're watching it,
much like you know, hell, you don't realize what you're in.
You're just kind of getting through it. I just got
to get through it and just get your body's getting
through it. It's like it's just like a survival thing.
And then once it's over, you're like, what was that?
Then it hits you right, that's the stage. IMN got it.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
If you miss any part of our show, you congratulations.
But you can always go back and check out the
podcast we posted right after the show. All four hours
are available. Just type in Gary and Shannon wherever you
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the comments, share it, all of that good stuff. John
(28:35):
Cobel shows up next. We'll see you tomorrow. Stay drive.
Everybody you've been listening to The Gary and Shannon Show,
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