December 12, 2025 • 32 mins
Gary & Shannon open with #SwampWatch, covering newly released Democratic Epstein-related photos and the political fallout they’re sparking.
Heather Brooker joins for the #EntertainmentReport, previewing the weekend box office and highlighting surprises and snubs from the 2025 Golden Globe nominations.
Gary then talks with tech journalist David Imel for a curated holiday tech gift guide featuring only gear he truly recommends, followed by an accessible, in-depth look at how AI works and where it’s headed — turning the segment into one of the show’s most insightful tech discussions.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
We'll be doing a gift guide coming up at the
bottom of the hour.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
You got still some things on that Christmas gift that
you need to you need to check off. We have
some ideas for some tech gifts if you will. We're
going to do an entertainment report with Heather Broker coming up. Also,
Gas Fantasy for Play is back. We'll do that in
the twelve o'clock hour, as well as the What you
Learned this week on The Gary and Shannon Show.
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Just leave us a talkback message let us know what.
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You learned while you were listening to The Gary and
Shannon Show this week, and we'll get into that. Coming
up at twelve thirty. In the mettime, it's time for
swamp Watch.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
I'm a politician, which means I'm a cheat and a
liar and when I'm not kissing babies, I'm stealing that
lollipops here we.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Got the real problem is that our leaders are done.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
The other side never quits, so what I'm not going anywhere?
Speaker 5 (00:58):
So that no great the slaw I can imagine what
can be and be unburdened by what has been.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
You know, Americans have always been gone.
Speaker 6 (01:07):
That stupid.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
A political plunder is what a politician actually tells the truth.
Whether people voted for you with not swap watch, they're
all canioid. Well, the issue of artificial intelligence is the
subject of the latest executive order to be signed by
President Trump.
Speaker 6 (01:21):
You want to have.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
One central source of approval, and we have I think
great Republican support. I think we probably have Democrats support too,
because it's common sense. When you can't go to every
time you make a change, and it could be a
very reasonable change, you still won't get it approved if
you have to go to fifty states. So this centralizes it.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
It centralizes He's trying to make sure that individual states
don't come up with laws that just create a patchwork
quilt of different regulations and laws that oversee artificial intelligence,
the development of it, the execution of it, et cetera.
He said he wants to challenge onerous and excessive AI
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regulations that are issued by the states. It also directs
the administration to begin developing a National Framework for Artificial Intelligence, or,
as he likes to say, supreme intelligence.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
We have a tremendous industry where we're leading by a lot.
It's the AI artificial intelligence. I always thought it should
be a SI supreme intelligence, but I guess somewhere along
the line they decided to under word artificial and that's
okay with me. That's up to them.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
So this executive Order establishes a task force, an AI
litigation task Force, to challenge any state laws that would
be considered overly burdensome. Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnik would
be the one in charge of all of this. Also
would propose restrictions on federal funding. You don't get any
federal money if you enact certain policies. The biggest question is, well,
(02:52):
I shouldn't say the biggest one of the questions is
what kind of protections can the states carve out OPI.
For example, the maker of chat GPT has been trying
to get a proposition on our ballot here in California
about protections for kids, et cetera. Listen, I think it's
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a matter of fox in the henhouse. I don't think
that the open AI people are going to have the
full what's the word, the full idea that kids are
the ones that need to be protected.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
They shouldn't be the ones that write their own laws.
Speaker 7 (03:29):
But the.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Sacks, who is David Sachs one of this big crypto
guys that has made all kinds of money. He noted
that the administration and this executive order would not push
back against any state that has passed laws specifically to
protect children in this case. So there is that ability,
I guess, for individual states to come up with laws
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if in fact they are there to protect kids.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Oversight Committee.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Democrats on the House Oversight Committee have released a second
batch of pictures from the late convicted sex offender Jeffrey
Epstein's estate. This is again not part of the Department
of Justice filing that is supposed to come out by
next Friday about all of the investigation files they have
on Epstein, But in this case, Democrats released a bunch
(04:21):
of pictures, about ninety five thousand pictures. About nineteen of
them are significant because they include faces that you would recognize,
and I don't mean I mean outside of the Jeffrey
Epstein is probably in all of the pictures you've got
President Trump, President Clinton, former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers, Bill Gates,
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Steve Bannon, Woody Allen, Richard Branson, Alan Dershowitz. None of
the pictures there are nineteen of those that include those guys.
None of those pictures show any actual illegal activity by
all of this. Robert Garcia, however, congressman out of here
in California, says that this is a cover up. He said,
(05:03):
these disturbing photos raise more questions about Epstein and his
relationships with some of the most powerful men in the world.
We will not rest into the American people get the truth.
The Department of Justice must release all the files now,
which is him yelling into the wind, because that's already
a law that they do have to release the files
by Friday. Each of them, Each of these pictures is described.
(05:24):
There's a couple of them with Trump posing for photos
with women, photos with Epstein and a woman. There's one
with Bill Clinton posting with Jeffrey Epstein and Kallaine Maxwell.
That one apparently is signed by Bill Clinton. Of all
of all things. Steve Bannon is in there. He's sitting
behind a desk, Bannon sitting on the opposite side. You've
(05:47):
got the ones with Woody Allen in a director's chair,
one with Bill Gates is like, all this is just
first of all, these are all names that we know
have been associated with WHI Jeffrey Epstein, the So that's
not groundbreaking. None of that is groundbreak. The images I
haven't seen any of those images before. The ones that
(06:08):
we are seeing on TV already, I've never seen them before.
But it doesn't break any new ground yet. I'm hoping
that the Department of Justice filing, once it comes down,
is the thing that's going to probably give us at
least some more information about how extensive Jeffrey Epstein's network was.
And then an unusual loss for President Trump. Indiana's governor,
(06:33):
a guy named Mike Braun, Republican, blasted the Republicans in
his state Senate because they voted against a redistricting proposal,
and the governor again of Indiana, has vowed to help
President Trump launch primary challenges against the misguided state senators.
Mike Brown is a former Senator from the state of
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Indiana's working in his first term as governor. He said,
there's a small group of Republicans who is working with
Democrats there in Indiana to stop the new congressional map
that would have probably flipped a couple of more House
seats to the GOP. The redistricting proposal failed in a
nineteen to thirty one vote yesterday. Twenty one of the
forty Republican state senators opposed this thing. Now listen again,
(07:19):
twenty one, so there are only ten Democrats who voted
against it and twenty one Republicans who voted against it.
One of the senators, a woman named Sue Glick, voted
against this said you have to know who's yours. We
can't be bullied. Another senator said the map is unconstitutional. Now,
the Republican majority floor leader there in Indiana said, some
(07:42):
will say these maps are political. Let me be clear.
You are damn right they are political. Policy is political.
Save streets are political. Look at Indianapolis. Affordable electricity is political.
A drug free Indiana is political. Explaining all of that
as to why they want to have these he wanted
(08:03):
to have these maps redrawn to benefit Republicans, But again,
more Republicans voted against this redistricting proposal than voted in
favor of It's saying that they will not be bullied.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
All right.
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Just tell us what you've learned while you were listening
to the Garyan Shanmon Show this week. Last night, there
was a natural gas leak at a home in Hayward.
I believe it is up in a Bay area. Six
people were hurt.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Several other properties were damaged when the house blew up.
At least one person was inside the house. The house
itself was leveled and the person inside not hurt. Six others,
though outside, were hurt. Three suffered what they said were
serious injuries. Washington, in state right now is absolutely getting
blasted by rain. Several days torrential rain has caused historic flooding.
(09:07):
Thousands of people have been forced to evacuate their homes.
The Scadget and Snowhomish counties right now are under level
three evacuation orders, many of their residents being told to leave,
not wait for the water to rise completely. Today is
you're seeing some of those rivers hitting flood historic flood
(09:28):
stages today. The governor up there in Washington, Bob Ferguson
is telling everybody to follow the evacuation instructions. They're saying
that it could be catastrophic today. And then a quick
college football note. Bill Belichick awful first year at North Carolina.
They went four and eight. He fired his offensive coordinator
and his special teams coordinator. I think there will be
(09:49):
other people who go as well. But Heather Brooker has
joined us.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Hello, Hello, Happy entertainment Friday. You always bring a smile
and fun when you come in here. I hope so
I tried you. Entertainment is fun times, a fun time.
Speaker 7 (10:04):
Yes, the.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Channel, this is entertainment news. What are we going to
watch this weekend?
Speaker 8 (10:20):
So there's a couple of really interesting and fun choices
at the movies this weekend. You know, some of the
bigger titles are still coming out in the next couple
of weeks. But this weekend you've got a cute movie
called a Tropia. It stars Alia Shawcat. She was in
Arrested Development, remember maybe yes, yeah, yeah, she was in
Arrested Development.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
She's very funny in this movie.
Speaker 8 (10:41):
It's a dark comedy about a fictional country called a Tropia,
which is a simulated country created by the US military
for training exercises, and she's an actress in this weird
training exercise world where she's also doing some tapes on
the side, and then she has to come out and
(11:03):
be like, you know, uh, explain tape is, oh yes,
oh my gosh, I forget.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
People are not in the industry like you are. They
don't they don't get like I am got it.
Speaker 8 (11:13):
So a self tape, a self tape is what actors
have to do when they get an audition now because
a lot of casting is not done in person anymore.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Thanks COVID, Thanks COVID.
Speaker 8 (11:23):
So we have to set up a backdrop and a
camera and lighting in our house and we read the scenes,
you know, and then we turn it in and.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Hope for the best. So that's a self tape.
Speaker 8 (11:30):
So you, basically, as an actor, tape an audition wherever
you are, whenever you can. And in this movie, she's
an actor who is filming her self tapes in this
fictional country which is like a Middle Eastern kind of country.
And she's like she's got like, you know, headscarf on
and like you know, Middle Eastern garb, and she's like, hello,
my name is and she's saying her name Anyway, it's
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a very funny, quirky, dark comedy, very unusual, very different.
If you want to go check out out of the
box office. The last thing I saw her in was
The Old Man.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
I think, I don't think I saw that, Jeff Bridges.
Speaker 8 (12:05):
She's a really talented actress and she's been acting for
a very long time. So I hope that people will
go and see this movie and support it because it's unusual,
it's different, and I think it's squirky. It's got Chloe
seventy eight in it, so it's a little artier. It's
called a trop Tropia. Yeah, so check that out. Also
something unusual at the box off this weekend. Brian Fuller
(12:27):
has a new movie out called Dust Bunny, and critics
are describing it as whimsical horror.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Oh great, I know, right at a little like Home Murder.
Speaker 8 (12:39):
It's about a little girl who hires a hitman, an assassin,
essentially her neighbor to kill the monster under her bed.
So it then very much takes us on sort of
this creepy, whimsical childhood. But it has definitely got darker
themes in a darker, darker moments in it. It's getting
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a lot of great reviews for Mads Michelson.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
That's all I say.
Speaker 8 (13:04):
His name, right, Mad Michelson. Yeah, he's in it. Everyone
says he's great. This is a not your typical horror movie.
Definitely one you want to check out.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I have there.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
I know there are a bunch of movies that are
streaming now that I've seen the trailers for that are
going to be this weekend. And this is actually a
pretty rich time. There are some great movies. F won
the movie I keep seeing and I've been total seeing.
I haven't seen it yet, I was told. Originally, Shannon
saw it. She got a preview of it before it
came out over the summer and said, the best way
(13:35):
to watch this thing is going to be IMAX or
some very large format in a movie theater.
Speaker 8 (13:42):
I agree with her. It's the sound is epic. The cinema,
the cinematography is epic. It's a really great movie to
watch in the theater.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
What if I sit in the middle of my couch,
it works as opposed to one side or the other.
Speaker 8 (13:54):
Just in the middle, just plopped out right in the middle,
and then you're like close, make sure you're like inches away.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Maybe I'll put a chair in the middle of the room.
Then you will be fully immersed in the world of coffee.
Take one.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
The other one that I saw that I'm interested in
is Jay Kelly. This is George Clooney and Adam Sandler.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Have you seen this one?
Speaker 4 (14:14):
No?
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Okay, please put it on your list for multiple reasons.
Speaker 8 (14:18):
This is very It's an inside baseball movie about an actor.
And I know you know, we've talked about this before
where sometimes it's like a do we really need Hollywood
movies about Hollywood? What's different and really special about this
is one. George Clooney's performance is wonderful. He is playing
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a version of himself. The story is written by Noah
Bambach and he is loosely based on his life and
a little bit of George Clooney's life, and it takes
us on a somewhat heartbreaking journey about somebody who has
chosen their career over their family and then at the
end of their career is having regrets about that and
(15:00):
desperately trying to make it right. And it's Adam Sandler,
isn't it beautifully subtly acted by Adam Sandler and George Clooney.
Truly at the end of the movie, I was tearing up.
I was like, this is this is strong. These are
both strong performances. I'm not at all surprise that they
were nominated for Golden Globes. I've always liked Adam Sandler
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and his serious stuff. Yeah right, spanglished. I mean everything
that he's shrunk.
Speaker 7 (15:28):
Love that.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
I feel like the first one, Uh what was the jewels?
Speaker 6 (15:35):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Some jewels, jewels, dirty jewels, magical jewels, magical jewels, dark jewels,
uncut gems. Thank you the voice of reason.
Speaker 8 (15:45):
I was like, if we fully we're playing mad libs,
some one of us will get there eventually.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Olmer is the adult in the room, apparently.
Speaker 8 (15:53):
Listen. I don't know if I'm going through the change
or what, but sometimes I literally forget words like.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
You'll see me.
Speaker 8 (15:58):
I look like I'm having some kind of stroke. I'll
just pause in the middle of a sentence and be like,
I cannot remember what this word is, so thank you womanhood.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
The other one that I'm interested in is the new
Knives Out movie. This, of course a Ryan Johnson product,
but Daniel Craig comes back as Ben wi Blanc, the
detective in the Knives Out what's it called, Wake Up
Dead Man?
Speaker 8 (16:20):
Yes, this movie did so dives out originally. I think
caught a lot of people off guard. They weren't expecting
it to be so good. Yeah, and you know, with Hollywood,
if it does well once, let's make another and then
Heard and then they're just going to keep beating it
into the ground. But it's gonna be good. I think
you should definitely check add that one to your list.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
I show. Yeah, what are you going to do this weekend?
Speaker 8 (16:40):
So I'm gonna be here at caf I knew so
anchoring in the early wee morning hours when everyone tunes
in at five in the morning. But other than that,
my daughter is actually starring in a play. This is
our musical this weekend. She's an Annie, and so I'm
going to be going to all her performances. So working
in the morning and then stage mom in the afternoon
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and evening.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Uh. The picture that you sent of you as.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Annie, wasn't that that's on our Instagram. It's an earlier post.
But yeah, taking pictures of us as you know, younger people. Yes,
my mom did that to me.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
My mom when Annie did that, she did it to me.
Speaker 8 (17:19):
It's why I probably should be in therapy. When I
was little, Annie came out and it was very popular,
and she was like, I have a little redheaded girl,
I'm gonna perm her. She permed my hair. She had
a friend of hers make the little Annie dress, and
she bought the black pat and leather shoes.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
And my dad was.
Speaker 8 (17:35):
Bald, so like literally he was Daddy Warbucks one thousand percent.
Everywhere I went, people would whisper and they would point.
But see I was a ham, so I loved it.
I'd be like that that I'll comma. I would just
break honey, this is Ralph's we don't need to do.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
I'd be like, I'll show you, mom. But that was
the Oklahoma what you were in Oklahoma.
Speaker 8 (17:56):
I was in Oklahoma at the time, so we had
like safeway, okay. But I would sing in dance anywhere anywhere.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Heather, thank you as always.
Speaker 8 (18:03):
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (18:05):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
A bunch of stories that are going on today.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy says that New York State routinely
issues commercials driver's licenses to immigrants that may be valid
long after they're legally authorized to be in the United States.
He's threatened to withhold millions of dollars in highway funds
unless they get that fixed. State officials said they are
following all of the rules, all the federal rules. He
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did announce that they were going to be looking into this,
similar to an investigation that he wants to launch here
in California as well about similar problems. La Mayor Karen
Bass calling on the city council to increase the lped's
funds for hiring. She sent a letter to the city
council urging them to prioritize safety and advocate for sorry
allocate four point four million dollars to the LAPD so
(18:58):
that they can hire additional office. She said the funding
would allow the lp to hire more than four hundred
officers for the fiscal year that ends next June. She
said without that, the LAPD might have to stop stop
hiring in January.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
Hello, Gary and Shannon, this is a doctor LaRue. Hey,
this is my first time calling. I enjoy the way
that you all work together. It's very entertaining and for
a guy in his sixties. Keep on doing what you're doing,
all right, Talk to you guys. Later, have a wonderful day.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Thank you you too.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Let's talk about Christmas or holidays, however you want to
celebrate the last couple.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Of weeks of December.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Gift giving is a priority, and we live in twenty
twenty five, which means every gift that you give outside
of a pack at number two pencils is going to
have some sort of technology involved with it, and we
wanted to bring on one of the tech journalists and
producers that we pay attention to to talk more about it.
David Immel is actually a co host of the Waveform
(19:59):
podcast and also producer for the YouTube channel MKBHD talks
all about technology and innovation, et cetera, and David is
joining us now with more.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
David, what's going.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
On, how's it going? Thanks for bringing me on.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Well, I'm glad to meet you. I've been a fan.
I've read some of your stuff. I like the attitude,
the idea that AI, of course is going to be
involved in just about everything that we do in the
next couple of years. But we'll get to the general
AI discussion later. I want to go through some of
the things that you think might make great gifts. As
we get into the holiday season technology wise, sure.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
So you know what's been funny this year is I
think the things that are slowing me down a little
bit more or that are kind of getting me off
of all of the technology, have been better things that
I've been consuming. E readers are really great gifts right now.
There is a particular one called the Books Palma two
that is from a company called Books. You can find
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them online and it's the size of the smartphone, so
it fits in your pocket in the same way that
your phone does, but it can run your kindle. It
can run pretty much any eReader type app Libby. If
you have a library card, you can download free audiobooks
and ebooks from your library straight on to it. But
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it does run androids, so if you need to be
able to access things like Spotify, if you want to
listen to music while you're reading, or if you need
to look something up on the Internet. I just think
that that's a really good gift. Something else, the Aura Frame.
There's this company called Aura that makes smart frames, and
smart frames are not a new concept. They've definitely been
out around for quite a while, but these are great
(21:39):
because they come with very long cables. They have about
thirty day battery life or sorry, three month battery life,
which is much longer. You can text photos directly to
the frame, so if you're setting it up for a
family member, you can just text new photos to a
specific phone number and it'll automatically start rotating those photos
on the frame. Build a really nice I've seen those.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
We actually bought one for my parents probably ten years ago,
but we had to upload on a thumb drive and
keep that thing stuck in there. Now you're saying you
can update them regularly.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Yes, one hundred percent, So there are both.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
There are a couple of ways you can add You
can add photos through the app, or if your parent
takes a photo or your kid takes a photo, you
can now just text to a specific phone number and
it'll automatically add it to the library of rotating photos.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
So those are that's pretty awesome.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yeah, let's see. That is one of those.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Good improvements when it comes to technology on something that's
been around for a while.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
Yes, yes, exactly, definitely, definitely, just like updating with more
cloud infrastructure.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
So what else? What else is going on in terms
of gifts?
Speaker 6 (22:47):
Oh, man, I guess it sort of depends on who
you're buying for if you're buying for a younger person.
I've been really into these emulator devices, which are basically
a little micro computers that can play old video games.
The company an Urnick an b E r n i C.
They make really really cool little handheld devices. They only
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cost like seventy dollars, but they can play pretty much
every video game console up to like PlayStation two on them.
So if you either know someone who is very nostalgic
for those consoles and wants to be playing them again
later on, or if you have a younger kid who
you want to, like, you know, engage in your childhood
or the things that you were into, those are really
(23:29):
great gifts. They come in very a bunch of different
screen sizes and shapes too, and again they're like all
under one hundred.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Bucks, so they're like pretty solid gifts.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Sure, that's one of those things.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
There used to be probably about ten years ago, there
would be I don't even know if you're old enough
to know what the Atari twenty six hundred was, but
the old joystick, and the joystick itself was the computer
that you could just hook up to a TV with
little LARCAA or whatever it was, and you could play
some of those old games. This sounds like that on
steroids and would I would. Part of the reason I
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would love that is because I played all those games
as a kid, but when my son grew up, all
of his games were way too advanced for me, and
that this might bring us back to some level playing
field when it comes to picking up these games and
having some sort of competition.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Oh definitely.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
And what's cool about them too is that they have
much improved screens. You know, so instead of like playing
on an old Game Boy Advance or like a Game
Boy Color, you're playing like a much more modern LCD
display or even an O LED display. They have arm processors,
so similar processors that are going into your phone, so
it can emulate games pretty much no problem, from pretty
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much up until PlayStation two or even a little bit later.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
And they do that seamlessly, so super easy.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
The last big thing that I wanted to shout out
there's a company called fair Phone, which they make very
sustainable technology products. So they make phones that are very
repairable that you can you know, you can replace the better,
you can replace the camera modules, you can replace the
USB sport, all this kind of stuff. But they just
released some over ear headphones called the fair Buds XL
(25:11):
and they've They're a French company that has been selling
in Europe for quite a while, but they just announced
last week that they're coming to America via Amazon in
the next month or so, so they'll both be selling
their phone as well as their headphones on there. I've
been using their new headphones for a couple of months now,
and they're very comfortable, they sound great, and I just
(25:33):
really like that you can six and repair every little
segment of them, so if the speaker driver breaks, you
can just buy new speaker drivers to put in them.
If they release a new version of them that have
better speakers, you can buy those speakers and put them
in your headphones, so you don't have to just keep
buying new stuff all the time.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
That's awesome nice.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
It would be a great business model if others catch
on to that. So we're talking with David Italy totally
technology journalists. When we come back, can we I'd love
to ask you more general questions about AI and where
we're going with that.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
Sure, I'm sure we can do that.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
David, stick around for here just a second.
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Speaker 2 (26:20):
David Immol is a tech journalist.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
You see him as a producer on the mkabhd YouTube
channel co host of the Waveform podcast. We're talking about
some of the headlines when it comes to AI. Specifically
big story that came out yesterday it means a lot
here in Hollywood is that Disney has teamed up with
open Ai because they're going to allow a bunch of
people to use a bunch of a couple hundred Disney
(26:46):
trademarked characters in these little Sora videos that are that
you can make. When you saw this, how did this
news strike you?
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Really not surprising at all.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
The thing about these AI companies is that they've been
scraping all of this information without permission for the last
three years now. So really all that's happening here is
that Disney probably kind of lawyered up and went to
open Ai and said, hey, we need to figure something out,
because we know that everybody's doing this, but we need
to figure out a way for it to work for
both of us. The day after that they made that
(27:21):
announcement with open Ai, they actually sorry, Disney actually sued
Google for the exact same thing. So what they're pretty
much doing is they're like, all right, we know that
all the AI companies are going to be doing this,
we need to get our end of the bargain out
of it. And now they're basically just trying to get
Google to do the exact same thing that open ai
(27:44):
did for them.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Is this Do you think this is kind of the
future of these deals, these types of deals like this
because a I mean, I think it's The New York
Times has also sued because of the potential, or or
because they believe that these companies have gone back in
scrape ther information without uh, without paying attention to copyright issues.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
Yeah, so this is kind of the big question mark.
There is no way to actually look inside the training
data and see what is in the training data. The
only way that you can be for sure that something
is in that training data is that it produces your likeness.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Or your character.
Speaker 6 (28:22):
Right. If you can go on open aye Sora and
say Mickey Mouse, you know, going on a beach vacation,
and it produces Mickey Mouse exactly, you know that Mickey
Mouse is in the training data. So it's pretty obvious
that these companies have been scraping the entire Internet, and
there is all there are all these arguments about oh well,
if I can read it with my eyes, then why
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I can't a machine read it? But that's exactly what
copyright is. So I think in the future you're going
to see a lot of these giant companies going to
open AI, going to Google and saying, hey, we need
to work at a deal here because we know you're
not going to stop doing this, but we can make
this work for both of us.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
How often do you use AI in your work?
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Just about never good.
Speaker 6 (29:07):
The thing that I believe, yeah, the thing that I
believe is a bit of a misdemeanor that is being
sold to everybody is that AI is changing the infrastructure
of the Internet and that we are interfacing with computers
a little bit differently. You know, you're using natural language
to engage with things. Now Google is trying to make
(29:28):
an answer machine. Plenty of people are moving over to
chadjpt instead.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
Of using Google.
Speaker 6 (29:33):
But this kind of notion that that AI is going
to be in your life and you're going to have
to use it is really just these companies trying to
push their products to actually get people to use them
so they can be profitable. You know, Open Ai has
burned more capital than uber, Tesla, Netflix combined before they
(29:53):
actually became profitable, and more than the third of the
US economy is currently being propped up by AI companies.
So if they i don't show a profit within the
next couple of years, a lot of those investors are
kind of come singing and we're going to go into recessions.
So these these companies are very anxious that they need
to actually make AI happen, But in order to do that,
they have to convince everyone that it's actually going to
(30:14):
be something they have to use.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
That just isn't true.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
And that's probably the best explanation of what I've I've
been hearing a lot of fluff about the potential for
an AI bubble to burst, but that your explanation of
it as probably the simplified version of it as opposed
to something I'd find in Wall Street Journal or CNBC.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
Yeah, you know, they'll they'll have a lot of out
the information on the edges there. I just think at
the end of the day, if you're being told you
have to use this, you have to learn this. It's
the future. It's just because they want you to use
their product, but like the infrastructure is really the only
thing that is shifting, And at the end of the day,
things like this Disney deal. You know, Bob Biger said, oh,
(30:58):
now we're going to put Sora video on Disney Plus.
It's like, can anyone actually show me any value there
besides making slot videos. You know, Bob Iger has an
incentive to say that Disney is highly invested in artificial
intelligence because it makes his stock go up. And that
happens for every corporation. If you say that you're an
AI company, your stock will go up. There are plenty
(31:20):
of companies that basically do nothing AI related, or we're
already doing machine learning, which is what we called AI
before AI became a buzzword. Who have been doing that
forever and now they're calling it artificial intelligence, or they're
trying to find ways to slam in generative AI into
their products. But at the end of the day, all
that's doing is taking away jobs from people like people
(31:41):
in Hollywood. So I don't think it's really good for
anyone except the billionaires that are lining their pocketbooks.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
That's probably true, David, thanks for your time today. Appreciated.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Yeah, no problem.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
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Twitter if you wish. Dervid iml our vid eml but
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A political plunder is what a politician actually tells the truth.
Whether people voted for you with not swap watch, they're
all canioid. Well, the issue of artificial intelligence is the
subject of the latest executive order to be signed by
President Trump.
Speaker 6 (01:21):
You want to have.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
One central source of approval, and we have I think
great Republican support. I think we probably have Democrats support too,
because it's common sense. When you can't go to every
time you make a change, and it could be a
very reasonable change, you still won't get it approved if
you have to go to fifty states. So this centralizes it.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
It centralizes He's trying to make sure that individual states
don't come up with laws that just create a patchwork
quilt of different regulations and laws that oversee artificial intelligence,
the development of it, the execution of it, et cetera.
He said he wants to challenge onerous and excessive AI
(02:01):
regulations that are issued by the states. It also directs
the administration to begin developing a National Framework for Artificial Intelligence, or,
as he likes to say, supreme intelligence.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
We have a tremendous industry where we're leading by a lot.
It's the AI artificial intelligence. I always thought it should
be a SI supreme intelligence, but I guess somewhere along
the line they decided to under word artificial and that's
okay with me. That's up to them.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
So this executive Order establishes a task force, an AI
litigation task Force, to challenge any state laws that would
be considered overly burdensome. Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnik would
be the one in charge of all of this. Also
would propose restrictions on federal funding. You don't get any
federal money if you enact certain policies. The biggest question is, well,
(02:52):
I shouldn't say the biggest one of the questions is
what kind of protections can the states carve out OPI.
For example, the maker of chat GPT has been trying
to get a proposition on our ballot here in California
about protections for kids, et cetera. Listen, I think it's
(03:12):
a matter of fox in the henhouse. I don't think
that the open AI people are going to have the
full what's the word, the full idea that kids are
the ones that need to be protected.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
They shouldn't be the ones that write their own laws.
Speaker 7 (03:29):
But the.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Sacks, who is David Sachs one of this big crypto
guys that has made all kinds of money. He noted
that the administration and this executive order would not push
back against any state that has passed laws specifically to
protect children in this case. So there is that ability,
I guess, for individual states to come up with laws
(03:54):
if in fact they are there to protect kids.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Oversight Committee.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Democrats on the House Oversight Committee have released a second
batch of pictures from the late convicted sex offender Jeffrey
Epstein's estate. This is again not part of the Department
of Justice filing that is supposed to come out by
next Friday about all of the investigation files they have
on Epstein, But in this case, Democrats released a bunch
(04:21):
of pictures, about ninety five thousand pictures. About nineteen of
them are significant because they include faces that you would recognize,
and I don't mean I mean outside of the Jeffrey
Epstein is probably in all of the pictures you've got
President Trump, President Clinton, former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers, Bill Gates,
(04:42):
Steve Bannon, Woody Allen, Richard Branson, Alan Dershowitz. None of
the pictures there are nineteen of those that include those guys.
None of those pictures show any actual illegal activity by
all of this. Robert Garcia, however, congressman out of here
in California, says that this is a cover up. He said,
(05:03):
these disturbing photos raise more questions about Epstein and his
relationships with some of the most powerful men in the world.
We will not rest into the American people get the truth.
The Department of Justice must release all the files now,
which is him yelling into the wind, because that's already
a law that they do have to release the files
by Friday. Each of them, Each of these pictures is described.
(05:24):
There's a couple of them with Trump posing for photos
with women, photos with Epstein and a woman. There's one
with Bill Clinton posting with Jeffrey Epstein and Kallaine Maxwell.
That one apparently is signed by Bill Clinton. Of all
of all things. Steve Bannon is in there. He's sitting
behind a desk, Bannon sitting on the opposite side. You've
(05:47):
got the ones with Woody Allen in a director's chair,
one with Bill Gates is like, all this is just
first of all, these are all names that we know
have been associated with WHI Jeffrey Epstein, the So that's
not groundbreaking. None of that is groundbreak. The images I
haven't seen any of those images before. The ones that
(06:08):
we are seeing on TV already, I've never seen them before.
But it doesn't break any new ground yet. I'm hoping
that the Department of Justice filing, once it comes down,
is the thing that's going to probably give us at
least some more information about how extensive Jeffrey Epstein's network was.
And then an unusual loss for President Trump. Indiana's governor,
(06:33):
a guy named Mike Braun, Republican, blasted the Republicans in
his state Senate because they voted against a redistricting proposal,
and the governor again of Indiana, has vowed to help
President Trump launch primary challenges against the misguided state senators.
Mike Brown is a former Senator from the state of
(06:55):
Indiana's working in his first term as governor. He said,
there's a small group of Republicans who is working with
Democrats there in Indiana to stop the new congressional map
that would have probably flipped a couple of more House
seats to the GOP. The redistricting proposal failed in a
nineteen to thirty one vote yesterday. Twenty one of the
forty Republican state senators opposed this thing. Now listen again,
(07:19):
twenty one, so there are only ten Democrats who voted
against it and twenty one Republicans who voted against it.
One of the senators, a woman named Sue Glick, voted
against this said you have to know who's yours. We
can't be bullied. Another senator said the map is unconstitutional. Now,
the Republican majority floor leader there in Indiana said, some
(07:42):
will say these maps are political. Let me be clear.
You are damn right they are political. Policy is political.
Save streets are political. Look at Indianapolis. Affordable electricity is political.
A drug free Indiana is political. Explaining all of that
as to why they want to have these he wanted
(08:03):
to have these maps redrawn to benefit Republicans, But again,
more Republicans voted against this redistricting proposal than voted in
favor of It's saying that they will not be bullied.
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Speaker 2 (09:53):
Hello, Hello, Happy entertainment Friday. You always bring a smile
and fun when you come in here. I hope so
I tried you. Entertainment is fun times, a fun time.
Speaker 7 (10:04):
Yes, the.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Channel, this is entertainment news. What are we going to
watch this weekend?
Speaker 8 (10:20):
So there's a couple of really interesting and fun choices
at the movies this weekend. You know, some of the
bigger titles are still coming out in the next couple
of weeks. But this weekend you've got a cute movie
called a Tropia. It stars Alia Shawcat. She was in
Arrested Development, remember maybe yes, yeah, yeah, she was in
Arrested Development.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
She's very funny in this movie.
Speaker 8 (10:41):
It's a dark comedy about a fictional country called a Tropia,
which is a simulated country created by the US military
for training exercises, and she's an actress in this weird
training exercise world where she's also doing some tapes on
the side, and then she has to come out and
(11:03):
be like, you know, uh, explain tape is, oh yes,
oh my gosh, I forget.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
People are not in the industry like you are. They
don't they don't get like I am got it.
Speaker 8 (11:13):
So a self tape, a self tape is what actors
have to do when they get an audition now because
a lot of casting is not done in person anymore.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Thanks COVID, Thanks COVID.
Speaker 8 (11:23):
So we have to set up a backdrop and a
camera and lighting in our house and we read the scenes,
you know, and then we turn it in and.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Hope for the best. So that's a self tape.
Speaker 8 (11:30):
So you, basically, as an actor, tape an audition wherever
you are, whenever you can. And in this movie, she's
an actor who is filming her self tapes in this
fictional country which is like a Middle Eastern kind of country.
And she's like she's got like, you know, headscarf on
and like you know, Middle Eastern garb, and she's like, hello,
my name is and she's saying her name Anyway, it's
(11:51):
a very funny, quirky, dark comedy, very unusual, very different.
If you want to go check out out of the
box office. The last thing I saw her in was
The Old Man.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
I think, I don't think I saw that, Jeff Bridges.
Speaker 8 (12:05):
She's a really talented actress and she's been acting for
a very long time. So I hope that people will
go and see this movie and support it because it's unusual,
it's different, and I think it's squirky. It's got Chloe
seventy eight in it, so it's a little artier. It's
called a trop Tropia. Yeah, so check that out. Also
something unusual at the box off this weekend. Brian Fuller
(12:27):
has a new movie out called Dust Bunny, and critics
are describing it as whimsical horror.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Oh great, I know, right at a little like Home Murder.
Speaker 8 (12:39):
It's about a little girl who hires a hitman, an assassin,
essentially her neighbor to kill the monster under her bed.
So it then very much takes us on sort of
this creepy, whimsical childhood. But it has definitely got darker
themes in a darker, darker moments in it. It's getting
(12:59):
a lot of great reviews for Mads Michelson.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
That's all I say.
Speaker 8 (13:04):
His name, right, Mad Michelson. Yeah, he's in it. Everyone
says he's great. This is a not your typical horror movie.
Definitely one you want to check out.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I have there.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
I know there are a bunch of movies that are
streaming now that I've seen the trailers for that are
going to be this weekend. And this is actually a
pretty rich time. There are some great movies. F won
the movie I keep seeing and I've been total seeing.
I haven't seen it yet, I was told. Originally, Shannon
saw it. She got a preview of it before it
came out over the summer and said, the best way
(13:35):
to watch this thing is going to be IMAX or
some very large format in a movie theater.
Speaker 8 (13:42):
I agree with her. It's the sound is epic. The cinema,
the cinematography is epic. It's a really great movie to
watch in the theater.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
What if I sit in the middle of my couch,
it works as opposed to one side or the other.
Speaker 8 (13:54):
Just in the middle, just plopped out right in the middle,
and then you're like close, make sure you're like inches away.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Maybe I'll put a chair in the middle of the room.
Then you will be fully immersed in the world of coffee.
Take one.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
The other one that I saw that I'm interested in
is Jay Kelly. This is George Clooney and Adam Sandler.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Have you seen this one?
Speaker 4 (14:14):
No?
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Okay, please put it on your list for multiple reasons.
Speaker 8 (14:18):
This is very It's an inside baseball movie about an actor.
And I know you know, we've talked about this before
where sometimes it's like a do we really need Hollywood
movies about Hollywood? What's different and really special about this
is one. George Clooney's performance is wonderful. He is playing
(14:39):
a version of himself. The story is written by Noah
Bambach and he is loosely based on his life and
a little bit of George Clooney's life, and it takes
us on a somewhat heartbreaking journey about somebody who has
chosen their career over their family and then at the
end of their career is having regrets about that and
(15:00):
desperately trying to make it right. And it's Adam Sandler,
isn't it beautifully subtly acted by Adam Sandler and George Clooney.
Truly at the end of the movie, I was tearing up.
I was like, this is this is strong. These are
both strong performances. I'm not at all surprise that they
were nominated for Golden Globes. I've always liked Adam Sandler
(15:24):
and his serious stuff. Yeah right, spanglished. I mean everything
that he's shrunk.
Speaker 7 (15:28):
Love that.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
I feel like the first one, Uh what was the jewels?
Speaker 6 (15:35):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Some jewels, jewels, dirty jewels, magical jewels, magical jewels, dark jewels,
uncut gems. Thank you the voice of reason.
Speaker 8 (15:45):
I was like, if we fully we're playing mad libs,
some one of us will get there eventually.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Olmer is the adult in the room, apparently.
Speaker 8 (15:53):
Listen. I don't know if I'm going through the change
or what, but sometimes I literally forget words like.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
You'll see me.
Speaker 8 (15:58):
I look like I'm having some kind of stroke. I'll
just pause in the middle of a sentence and be like,
I cannot remember what this word is, so thank you womanhood.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
The other one that I'm interested in is the new
Knives Out movie. This, of course a Ryan Johnson product,
but Daniel Craig comes back as Ben wi Blanc, the
detective in the Knives Out what's it called, Wake Up
Dead Man?
Speaker 8 (16:20):
Yes, this movie did so dives out originally. I think
caught a lot of people off guard. They weren't expecting
it to be so good. Yeah, and you know, with Hollywood,
if it does well once, let's make another and then
Heard and then they're just going to keep beating it
into the ground. But it's gonna be good. I think
you should definitely check add that one to your list.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
I show. Yeah, what are you going to do this weekend?
Speaker 8 (16:40):
So I'm gonna be here at caf I knew so
anchoring in the early wee morning hours when everyone tunes
in at five in the morning. But other than that,
my daughter is actually starring in a play. This is
our musical this weekend. She's an Annie, and so I'm
going to be going to all her performances. So working
in the morning and then stage mom in the afternoon
(17:01):
and evening.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Uh. The picture that you sent of you as.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Annie, wasn't that that's on our Instagram. It's an earlier post.
But yeah, taking pictures of us as you know, younger people. Yes,
my mom did that to me.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
My mom when Annie did that, she did it to me.
Speaker 8 (17:19):
It's why I probably should be in therapy. When I
was little, Annie came out and it was very popular,
and she was like, I have a little redheaded girl,
I'm gonna perm her. She permed my hair. She had
a friend of hers make the little Annie dress, and
she bought the black pat and leather shoes.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
And my dad was.
Speaker 8 (17:35):
Bald, so like literally he was Daddy Warbucks one thousand percent.
Everywhere I went, people would whisper and they would point.
But see I was a ham, so I loved it.
I'd be like that that I'll comma. I would just
break honey, this is Ralph's we don't need to do.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
I'd be like, I'll show you, mom. But that was
the Oklahoma what you were in Oklahoma.
Speaker 8 (17:56):
I was in Oklahoma at the time, so we had
like safeway, okay. But I would sing in dance anywhere anywhere.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Heather, thank you as always.
Speaker 8 (18:03):
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (18:05):
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Speaker 2 (18:11):
A bunch of stories that are going on today.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy says that New York State routinely
issues commercials driver's licenses to immigrants that may be valid
long after they're legally authorized to be in the United States.
He's threatened to withhold millions of dollars in highway funds
unless they get that fixed. State officials said they are
following all of the rules, all the federal rules. He
(18:34):
did announce that they were going to be looking into this,
similar to an investigation that he wants to launch here
in California as well about similar problems. La Mayor Karen
Bass calling on the city council to increase the lped's
funds for hiring. She sent a letter to the city
council urging them to prioritize safety and advocate for sorry
allocate four point four million dollars to the LAPD so
(18:58):
that they can hire additional office. She said the funding
would allow the lp to hire more than four hundred
officers for the fiscal year that ends next June. She
said without that, the LAPD might have to stop stop
hiring in January.
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Hello, Gary and Shannon, this is a doctor LaRue. Hey,
this is my first time calling. I enjoy the way
that you all work together. It's very entertaining and for
a guy in his sixties. Keep on doing what you're doing,
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Of weeks of December.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Gift giving is a priority, and we live in twenty
twenty five, which means every gift that you give outside
of a pack at number two pencils is going to
have some sort of technology involved with it, and we
wanted to bring on one of the tech journalists and
producers that we pay attention to to talk more about it.
David Immel is actually a co host of the Waveform
(19:59):
podcast and also producer for the YouTube channel MKBHD talks
all about technology and innovation, et cetera, and David is
joining us now with more.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
David, what's going.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
On, how's it going? Thanks for bringing me on.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Well, I'm glad to meet you. I've been a fan.
I've read some of your stuff. I like the attitude,
the idea that AI, of course is going to be
involved in just about everything that we do in the
next couple of years. But we'll get to the general
AI discussion later. I want to go through some of
the things that you think might make great gifts. As
we get into the holiday season technology wise, sure.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
So you know what's been funny this year is I
think the things that are slowing me down a little
bit more or that are kind of getting me off
of all of the technology, have been better things that
I've been consuming. E readers are really great gifts right now.
There is a particular one called the Books Palma two
that is from a company called Books. You can find
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them online and it's the size of the smartphone, so
it fits in your pocket in the same way that
your phone does, but it can run your kindle. It
can run pretty much any eReader type app Libby. If
you have a library card, you can download free audiobooks
and ebooks from your library straight on to it. But
(21:17):
it does run androids, so if you need to be
able to access things like Spotify, if you want to
listen to music while you're reading, or if you need
to look something up on the Internet. I just think
that that's a really good gift. Something else, the Aura Frame.
There's this company called Aura that makes smart frames, and
smart frames are not a new concept. They've definitely been
out around for quite a while, but these are great
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because they come with very long cables. They have about
thirty day battery life or sorry, three month battery life,
which is much longer. You can text photos directly to
the frame, so if you're setting it up for a
family member, you can just text new photos to a
specific phone number and it'll automatically start rotating those photos
on the frame. Build a really nice I've seen those.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
We actually bought one for my parents probably ten years ago,
but we had to upload on a thumb drive and
keep that thing stuck in there. Now you're saying you
can update them regularly.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Yes, one hundred percent, So there are both.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
There are a couple of ways you can add You
can add photos through the app, or if your parent
takes a photo or your kid takes a photo, you
can now just text to a specific phone number and
it'll automatically add it to the library of rotating photos.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
So those are that's pretty awesome.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yeah, let's see. That is one of those.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Good improvements when it comes to technology on something that's
been around for a while.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
Yes, yes, exactly, definitely, definitely, just like updating with more
cloud infrastructure.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
So what else? What else is going on in terms
of gifts?
Speaker 6 (22:47):
Oh, man, I guess it sort of depends on who
you're buying for if you're buying for a younger person.
I've been really into these emulator devices, which are basically
a little micro computers that can play old video games.
The company an Urnick an b E r n i C.
They make really really cool little handheld devices. They only
(23:07):
cost like seventy dollars, but they can play pretty much
every video game console up to like PlayStation two on them.
So if you either know someone who is very nostalgic
for those consoles and wants to be playing them again
later on, or if you have a younger kid who
you want to, like, you know, engage in your childhood
or the things that you were into, those are really
(23:29):
great gifts. They come in very a bunch of different
screen sizes and shapes too, and again they're like all
under one hundred.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Bucks, so they're like pretty solid gifts.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Sure, that's one of those things.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
There used to be probably about ten years ago, there
would be I don't even know if you're old enough
to know what the Atari twenty six hundred was, but
the old joystick, and the joystick itself was the computer
that you could just hook up to a TV with
little LARCAA or whatever it was, and you could play
some of those old games. This sounds like that on
steroids and would I would. Part of the reason I
(24:01):
would love that is because I played all those games
as a kid, but when my son grew up, all
of his games were way too advanced for me, and
that this might bring us back to some level playing
field when it comes to picking up these games and
having some sort of competition.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Oh definitely.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
And what's cool about them too is that they have
much improved screens. You know, so instead of like playing
on an old Game Boy Advance or like a Game
Boy Color, you're playing like a much more modern LCD
display or even an O LED display. They have arm processors,
so similar processors that are going into your phone, so
it can emulate games pretty much no problem, from pretty
(24:41):
much up until PlayStation two or even a little bit later.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
And they do that seamlessly, so super easy.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
The last big thing that I wanted to shout out
there's a company called fair Phone, which they make very
sustainable technology products. So they make phones that are very
repairable that you can you know, you can replace the better,
you can replace the camera modules, you can replace the
USB sport, all this kind of stuff. But they just
released some over ear headphones called the fair Buds XL
(25:11):
and they've They're a French company that has been selling
in Europe for quite a while, but they just announced
last week that they're coming to America via Amazon in
the next month or so, so they'll both be selling
their phone as well as their headphones on there. I've
been using their new headphones for a couple of months now,
and they're very comfortable, they sound great, and I just
(25:33):
really like that you can six and repair every little
segment of them, so if the speaker driver breaks, you
can just buy new speaker drivers to put in them.
If they release a new version of them that have
better speakers, you can buy those speakers and put them
in your headphones, so you don't have to just keep
buying new stuff all the time.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
That's awesome nice.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
It would be a great business model if others catch
on to that. So we're talking with David Italy totally
technology journalists. When we come back, can we I'd love
to ask you more general questions about AI and where
we're going with that.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
Sure, I'm sure we can do that.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
David, stick around for here just a second.
Speaker 7 (26:12):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
David Immol is a tech journalist.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
You see him as a producer on the mkabhd YouTube
channel co host of the Waveform podcast. We're talking about
some of the headlines when it comes to AI. Specifically
big story that came out yesterday it means a lot
here in Hollywood is that Disney has teamed up with
open Ai because they're going to allow a bunch of
people to use a bunch of a couple hundred Disney
(26:46):
trademarked characters in these little Sora videos that are that
you can make. When you saw this, how did this
news strike you?
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Really not surprising at all.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
The thing about these AI companies is that they've been
scraping all of this information without permission for the last
three years now. So really all that's happening here is
that Disney probably kind of lawyered up and went to
open Ai and said, hey, we need to figure something out,
because we know that everybody's doing this, but we need
to figure out a way for it to work for
both of us. The day after that they made that
(27:21):
announcement with open Ai, they actually sorry, Disney actually sued
Google for the exact same thing. So what they're pretty
much doing is they're like, all right, we know that
all the AI companies are going to be doing this,
we need to get our end of the bargain out
of it. And now they're basically just trying to get
Google to do the exact same thing that open ai
(27:44):
did for them.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Is this Do you think this is kind of the
future of these deals, these types of deals like this
because a I mean, I think it's The New York
Times has also sued because of the potential, or or
because they believe that these companies have gone back in
scrape ther information without uh, without paying attention to copyright issues.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
Yeah, so this is kind of the big question mark.
There is no way to actually look inside the training
data and see what is in the training data. The
only way that you can be for sure that something
is in that training data is that it produces your likeness.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Or your character.
Speaker 6 (28:22):
Right. If you can go on open aye Sora and
say Mickey Mouse, you know, going on a beach vacation,
and it produces Mickey Mouse exactly, you know that Mickey
Mouse is in the training data. So it's pretty obvious
that these companies have been scraping the entire Internet, and
there is all there are all these arguments about oh well,
if I can read it with my eyes, then why
(28:43):
I can't a machine read it? But that's exactly what
copyright is. So I think in the future you're going
to see a lot of these giant companies going to
open AI, going to Google and saying, hey, we need
to work at a deal here because we know you're
not going to stop doing this, but we can make
this work for both of us.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
How often do you use AI in your work?
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Just about never good.
Speaker 6 (29:07):
The thing that I believe, yeah, the thing that I
believe is a bit of a misdemeanor that is being
sold to everybody is that AI is changing the infrastructure
of the Internet and that we are interfacing with computers
a little bit differently. You know, you're using natural language
to engage with things. Now Google is trying to make
(29:28):
an answer machine. Plenty of people are moving over to
chadjpt instead.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
Of using Google.
Speaker 6 (29:33):
But this kind of notion that that AI is going
to be in your life and you're going to have
to use it is really just these companies trying to
push their products to actually get people to use them
so they can be profitable. You know, Open Ai has
burned more capital than uber, Tesla, Netflix combined before they
(29:53):
actually became profitable, and more than the third of the
US economy is currently being propped up by AI companies.
So if they i don't show a profit within the
next couple of years, a lot of those investors are
kind of come singing and we're going to go into recessions.
So these these companies are very anxious that they need
to actually make AI happen, But in order to do that,
they have to convince everyone that it's actually going to
(30:14):
be something they have to use.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
That just isn't true.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
And that's probably the best explanation of what I've I've
been hearing a lot of fluff about the potential for
an AI bubble to burst, but that your explanation of
it as probably the simplified version of it as opposed
to something I'd find in Wall Street Journal or CNBC.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
Yeah, you know, they'll they'll have a lot of out
the information on the edges there. I just think at
the end of the day, if you're being told you
have to use this, you have to learn this. It's
the future. It's just because they want you to use
their product, but like the infrastructure is really the only
thing that is shifting, And at the end of the day,
things like this Disney deal. You know, Bob Biger said, oh,
(30:58):
now we're going to put Sora video on Disney Plus.
It's like, can anyone actually show me any value there
besides making slot videos. You know, Bob Iger has an
incentive to say that Disney is highly invested in artificial
intelligence because it makes his stock go up. And that
happens for every corporation. If you say that you're an
AI company, your stock will go up. There are plenty
(31:20):
of companies that basically do nothing AI related, or we're
already doing machine learning, which is what we called AI
before AI became a buzzword. Who have been doing that
forever and now they're calling it artificial intelligence, or they're
trying to find ways to slam in generative AI into
their products. But at the end of the day, all
that's doing is taking away jobs from people like people
(31:41):
in Hollywood. So I don't think it's really good for
anyone except the billionaires that are lining their pocketbooks.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
That's probably true, David, thanks for your time today. Appreciated.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Yeah, no problem.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
David imil again tech journalist. You can follow him on
Twitter if you wish. Dervid iml our vid eml but
his name is David, But dervit. Hey, you get it.
When we come back, huge twelve o'clock hour, all of
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