October 8, 2025 • 32 mins
Gary and Shannon start Hour 3 with updates from the DOJ’s Palisades Fire press conference, where KFI’s Michael Monks joins the show to break down new details on the 29-year-old arson suspect behind the devastating blaze.Then it’s time for #SwampWatch, with fresh headlines out of D.C.: including reports that former Special Counsel Jack Smith spied on a dozen Republican Senators, and a new poll revealing where voters stand on President Trump.The hour closes with #Parenting as Justin Worsham joins the show to talk about what parents do with their kids’ art projects and whether AI could soon be raising our children…literally.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
App Big News.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
You heard right at the top of the show, twenty
nine year old out of Florida has been arrested in
charge with starting the Palisades fire from back in January
that destroyed eight thousand structures, killed twelve people. Kfi's Michael
Monks was at that news conference and is going to
be covering this story throughout the day today.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Michael, what's going on?
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Well, this was quite a significant announcement because we're eight months,
nine months removed from that destructive Palisades fire, with all
of the questions, all of the speculation around what happened,
what started it. We learned recently that the federal government
is going after a utility because of the Eton fire,
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and we were wondering whether something similar would happen here.
But that's not the case. One guy, one guy now
in custody all the way in Florid, Jonathan render Neck.
As you said, a twenty nine year old accused of
starting a fire on New Year's Day up in the
Palisades where he lived. Incidentally, and that fire was put out.
They called it the Lockman fire. It wasn't completely put out.
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It was suppressed, as firefighters say. It was suppressed, but
it smoldered very quietly underground until those Santa Ana wins
blew in and that little fire became the Palisades Fire.
And that's why Jonathan Rinderneck is now in custody.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
The details.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Have we seen anything about him in court in Florida
yet and anything out of that.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Not yet.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
But what I thought was the most striking was the
way federal prosecutors described the approach to.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
The allegations around starting this fire.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Render Neck apparently.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Had a little bit of curiosity or interest in fires,
particularly fires that could cause destruction. Here is Acting US
Attorney Bill say Dailey describing some of those early moments.
Speaker 6 (02:03):
After dropping off at Passenger in Pacific Palisades, Rinderneck parked
his car and tried and failed to contact.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
A former friend.
Speaker 6 (02:12):
He exited the car, walked up a nearby trail, took
iPhone videos at a nearby hilltop, and listened to a
rap song whose music video including objects being lit on fire.
The defendant had listened to this song and watched its
music video repeatedly in the days leading up to the
Lochman fire.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
So Rinderneck was an uber driver and some passengers told
investigators that that day New Year's Eve, in the New
Year's Day, that he was irritable and grumpy and not
a pleasant guy to be around in the car. So
it was in kind of a bad mood. Apparently was
listening to this video of a song over and over.
The video features fires. And we also learned that he
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did a prompt on chant GPT asking that artificial intelligence
to create an image for him of a city burning
with people fleeing from that scene. And that's exactly what
ended up happening days after the Lackman fire when the
Palisades fire came to fruition.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
So it makes an appearance today. This goes to a
grand jury. Further charges, including murder are on the table
here and could be reached now. This afternoon LA City
council people, at least one councilwoman has called a news
conference that you will be in attendance anything anticipating anything
you anticipate out of this.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
One Michael councilwoman Tracy Park, who represents specific Palisades has
announced this press conference along with other neighborhood leaders. We
know that in addition to the tragedy of losing homes
and businesses like so many in the Palisades did, there
has been a sense of anger over the lack of
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a response, a response, a lack of accountability. What started it,
who started it, what could have been better? So I
expect that we'll see a flurry of emotions because it's
it's got to feel good knowing that there is an
explanation allegedly as to the origins of this fire. But really,
when you think about one guy in a bad mood
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parking an uber, crawling up a hill and using some
sort of open flame to start what was kind of
a small fire. Firefighters thought they put it out, then
it becomes this big, massive thing when the Santa Ana
wins go. I can't imagine what people in the Palisades
are feeling about this announcement.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Michael Monk's there from KFIE News. Thank you so much
for the coverage. You'll hear him live on with John
at one o'clock right out of Deborah's News for all
of the latest about what has gone on and what
will continue to go on. No doubt, the Internet will
do its thing, and we'll hear all about this guy.
By this time tomorrow. We'll hear from people who knew him.
We'll hear what he was into. Right now, as Michael mentioned,
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the only thing we really know is he was in
a bad mood.
Speaker 7 (04:53):
He was an Uber driver.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
His customers reported that he was off or in a
bad mood or angry. We know he had a that
lived in the area. We know he took off to
Florida and he drove for Uber. He liked chat GPT.
But so far that's all we got on this guy.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
It's time for swamp watch. I'm a politician, which means
I'm a cheat and a liar, and when I'm not
kissing babies, I'm stealing the lollipops.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Here we got the real problem is that our.
Speaker 7 (05:18):
Leaders are done. The other side never quits.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
So what I'm not going anywhere.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
So now you train the.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Squad, I can imagine what can be and be unburdened
by what has been. You know, Americans have always been
gone at president.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
They're not stupid.
Speaker 8 (05:33):
A political flunder is when a politician actually tells the truth.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Have the people voted for you with not swap watch
they're all countering. Well, a couple of things going on
in DC.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
One of the stories that came out late yesterday that
we didn't get a chance to talk about during the
show is that former Special Counsel Jack Smith was allegedly
tracking communications and phone calls of about a dozen Republican
senators as he was looking into the January sixth riot
at the Capitol. According to this document, Smith and the
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Arctic Frost team were tracking the phone calls of Senators
Lindsey Graham, Marsha Blackburn, Ron Johnson, Josh Holly, Cynthia Lummis,
Bill Haggerty, Dan Sullivan, Tommy Tubberville, and Congressman Mike Kelly
out of Pennsylvania. It says the names of the lawmakers.
The FBI special agent on the team conducted a preliminary
(06:25):
toll analysis of toll records associated with those lawmakers. The
team apparently was able to see which phone numbers these
senators were calling, the location the phone call originated from,
and the location where it was received. Of course, after
months of investigation, Smith did charge President Trump in d
(06:48):
C Court in the twenty twenty elections case, but after
he was elected President, Smith then sought to dismiss that case.
That was one of the revelations that came out just
a yesterday. I don't realize what time I was. We
have more, we do, we do, We'll come back and
do a little bit more. Also a chance at one
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Speaker 9 (07:12):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 10 (07:18):
Hey, Gary, I need you to check your start time
for the Dodgers today. I believe you said it was
at five pm, and I think it's at six oh
eight something like that. Please check because I'm on the
road and I want to watch the game.
Speaker 7 (07:32):
Okay, I did say six o eight? Love your show.
Did you say five? Good kids?
Speaker 4 (07:36):
I pitched time for Dodger Baseball?
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I may have said five, and if so, I apologize
just after six.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Yeah no, If I had heard him say that, I
would have corrected him. But you know what, listen, we
are good kids. First pitch.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Noon two four and six today for the four Division
Series baseball games that are going on noon two four
and six.
Speaker 7 (07:59):
Do we have that game?
Speaker 1 (08:00):
It's not on till noon, okay, but we can get
it on one of the screens. Oh, Yeah, you're not
just gonna put it on your private screen over there like.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
There, you can't see anything.
Speaker 7 (08:08):
So ch you ever noticed that? I just like watch
TV while you're doing the show.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
I do, I do? I notice it all the time.
You don't, I sure do. No, you don't I know
about your secret baseball screen.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
It's fifty eight percent of Americans. I think President Trump
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Again, the keyword is credit. Go on that website. So
this poll came out from Reuters IPSOS ran Friday through Tuesday.
Earlier this week, and from last week showed the Republican
approval rate. Sorry, the president's approval rating ticked down down
to forty percent, which is one point lower than it
was in late September. But again, the seven fifty eight
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percent of Americans, including seven to ten Democrats, fifty eight
percent overall think the president should send armed troops only
to face external threats. Now, this has come up because
of the tension over deployment of National Guard troops to
places like Portland and Chicago, and in fact, this morning
he ramped it up a little bit by suggesting that
(09:41):
Illinois Governor JB. Pritzker and Chicago Mayor Brandjon Johnson should
be put in jail. He said it's because they Pritzker
and Johnson have not protected ICE agents who are conducting
operations in the city. National Guard troops from Texas have
arrived in Chicago, at least in the area, and they
(10:02):
have not yet mobilized into the neighborhoods, but that they
are going. They are going to Tomorrow, by the way,
is a federal court hearing on the deployment of National
Guard troops to Portland and to Chicago.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Attorney General Pam Bondi spent more than four hours yesterday
testifying with the Senate Judiciary Committee. She held her own
in the clips that I've heard combative. Yes, repeatedly sparred
with Democrats over her handling of the Justice Department. But
talk about no shrinking Violet.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
She is not afraid of confrontation with members of the Senate,
that's for sure. While all that's of course going on,
we are still in our government shutdown. The Senate failed
to pass a Democrat version of an alternative stopgap funding
bill a sixth time. They said they've been voting now
on the Republican led bill, and the way that they
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describe it, the way Republicans have described it is that
this is a clean bill. All it does is keep
all of the current spending plans in place, funds the
government until the right around Thanksgiving and gives them the
time to work out and negotiate the healthcare issues that they.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Are talking about.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
But at this point they haven't passed anything. Former FBI
Director James Comy pleaded not guilty in DC area today
the charges of making a false statement to Congress an
obstruction of a congressional proceeding. Charges were brought against him
after the campaign, of course by President Trump to persecute
James Comy, and the charges were filed just a couple
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of days actually before the statute of limitations would have
run out. But as we talked about it early on
in the show, this is not the strongest case, and
in fact, there is an expectation when the charges were
first filed, there were a couple of people Andy McCarthy,
former US attorney now a writer, has said he expects
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this thing to absolutely fall apart before it ever gets
to trial.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Do you remember the story we talked about yesterday about
the attorney general candidate in Virginia, Democrat who j Jones,
Jay Jones, who sent some awful text messages around threatening
death and death to family members of Republicans And anyway,
I'm not going to relive the text messages. But apparently
this is getting even more traction because and I did
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not know this when we spoke about it yesterday. The
Democrats in Virginia's inability to seize ties.
Speaker 7 (12:35):
With this guy.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
The woman running for governor has yet to distance herself,
the lieutenant governor has yet to distance herself. Now they've
got a Democratic Senator, Mark Warner's campaign contributing twenty five
thousand dollars to this guy. There's no rush for Democrats
leading the state of Virginia or hoping to to distance
themselves from this guy. And now the Republicans are seizing
(12:59):
on that. It's a bell weather state. If the Republicans
can pick up the I should say not if the
Republicans are picking up huge traction off this guy because
the Democrats won't cut ties with him.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Yeah, and listen, it's not again. What he said was
that if he had two bullets, he would use both.
If it was Hitler Polepot and the speaker of the
Virginia delegation, the Speaker of the House, I believe it
is he would have used both bullets on the speaker,
not one on Polepot, not one on Hitler. He also
said that the speaker in this case, Gilbert, Speaker Gilbert
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and his wife should have to watch quote their fascist
children die.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Now this goes beyond like again, it's not funny.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
It goes beyond an attempt at humor is probably the
better way to put it.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Between buddies. It's private text messages.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
But the person that he was sending this to even said, Hey,
you got to knock that off.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, that's ridiculous. You're way too far, too much.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Yeah, while we're in the mud, let's address this one.
The White House has now responded to Kamala Harris's book
Tour Stop Here in La. We talked about it yesterday
about here was her quote from the book, Tour Stop
Here in La. There's so much about this moment that
is trying to make people feel like they've lost their minds,
when in fact, these MFAs are crazy. So now the
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Trump administration, the White House spokesperson has fired back. I
don't know why you would, but why would you lend
credence to anything that's going on there? But they did,
and this spokesperson cushed a sigh, said Kamala Harris should
listen to an audio recording of her cackle of a
laugh before calling anyone crazy.
Speaker 7 (14:42):
Oh wow, yeah, all right.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Let's dig ourselves out of the mud, shall we. My goodness,
where's a hose?
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Were you ever an artist in grade school? The macaroni
or the finger painting? Or right would your parents do.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
With that stuff?
Speaker 9 (14:58):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (14:58):
My parents thrown everything I ever did, probably within the
calendar day.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Before the paint was even dry. We'll talk about that.
Justin Warsham was going to join us we'll talk about parenting,
what parents do with their kids' art.
Speaker 9 (15:14):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from kfi
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Speaker 7 (15:22):
And I ain't the whole thing. Bet you're gonna be
disappointed in me twenty two pounds.
Speaker 8 (15:26):
Because I feel like that's all one big onion and
how that makes it. It's got to be multiple onion.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
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Speaker 2 (15:36):
That big is it? Yeah, it's pretty big. It's pretty sise.
Speaker 7 (15:39):
I haven't seen one in a long time.
Speaker 9 (15:41):
Hey.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
An arrest announced this morning, twenty nine year old Jonathan
rinder Necked arrested and charged with starting the Palisades fire.
Actually is charged with starting the Lochman fire, which started
up in that same area back on January first, and
then that fire was never fully put outrently and reignited
of course when the winds picked up on January seventh,
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resulting in the massive Palisades fire that destroyed thousands of
structures and and killed.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
A dozen people.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
So he will be coming back to California as the
expectation also to face more charges.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Justin Worsham has joined us host of the Dad Podcast.
Speaker 8 (16:20):
I'm starting to feel like I should start to pay
you guys to be here because I just have so
much fun.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
Like that?
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Is that a thing like the earlier where we were like, we.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Think this is the greatest time of our week because
you're always happy.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
You didn't hear us do what we did a bunch
of stuff you wedays.
Speaker 8 (16:40):
But said there was something that happened that the listeners
should be aware of. That makes it seem like this
is not true.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
No, it was.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
I was making sure she didn't say something inappropriate, which
is a.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Very hard task. I tell you, and you that's a
good signal. You were like a third base coach. Yeah,
and he freaking nailed.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
It, just icon enough for you to stay at second.
Yeah a second.
Speaker 8 (17:03):
As a guy on the other team, I have no
idea what the signal meant. I just knew something was up,
but I didn't.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Know what it was.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Anyway, I did yeah, no for it.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
But but we've said, we've known you for years now,
and the even in those dark times that you've had,
because you've had some dark times, you've had a family
stuff go on, we all have you still come in happy,
even through tears at times.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
You're still a happy person.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
You're lucky.
Speaker 7 (17:24):
You're lucky.
Speaker 8 (17:26):
To be honest, it's not it's it's not like that
outside of here, like I enjoyed the I enjoyed this
seems like a fun time to play there. When I
first started doing this full on it like every day
I would leave here, I would leave here miserable with
anxiety that I felt like I ruined your show.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
And then I just reached.
Speaker 8 (17:41):
The level of not caring. I guess because I was like, well,
if they really didn't like it, they would tell me
to remember what I would say every year. I would say,
just so you know, if you want.
Speaker 7 (17:48):
To you are a delight, we said earlier, You're a gift.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
Therefore, if there's.
Speaker 8 (17:54):
One thing I've learned about radio, they don't like it
when you compliment each other. Yeah, they get very angry.
Upper management gets upset.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
We were talking about art when it comes to kids
and the things that they draw and what we do
with them. I have a soft spot for art that
my kids do. I still have some of the stuff
that they the cheesy stuff that they made in elementary school.
One specific that I can remember two things. One of
his my daughter made a Father's day thing was like
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the last project they did in school that year, and
it was her wearing a big fake paper tie. They
all made fake paper ties and then took this big
picture with like a collared shirt, so it's supposed to
look like she's wearing my shirt with a tie. This
is his happy Father's Day. It was really nice. I
still have that. And the other one is my son
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made a newspaper one time, full articles, comics, articles, pictures, everything,
and he called it the Calvin Times. I love this,
and I mean, you made a big, big pieces of
paper and everything.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
We folded it up and it's stuck in.
Speaker 7 (18:59):
A clai An aspect? Was he when he did that.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Nine ten eleven.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
That's very cool.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
I oppressive. I did not think.
Speaker 8 (19:10):
It was just, but he thought it was like a
like an antique. I this is something. I did not
think of this when I brought this in. But because really,
what they're talking about in this article is like having
to save all four hundred pieces of art that your
kid made, because and I think what you've brought to
my attention is that that is definitely like a modern
parents perspective is that everything has to be celebrated, which,
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when you really break it down, like the three of
us often talk about, that's not the case. I had
two things. One I did I almost borderline traced it.
But I got this cartoon book at the school library
and I made a Beetle Bailey because my dad one
time showed me a cartoon in the paper that Beatle
Bailey that made him laugh, and I thought that meant
it was his favorite cartoon.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
And I drew it.
Speaker 8 (19:53):
And I'd given my dad things that we make in
school for Father's Day for years. This was the only thing.
He's like, Wow, that's cool. That's all he said. And
my father was not a guy who with held affection
or love or praise. But and he stuck it up
next to his desk in his office and it stayed
there for decades. For decades he had this thing. But
and then the other thing was after he passed away,
they did these workshops at the school where you would
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make and I made a button for him and colored
it in and it said World's number one Dad. And
when he passed away, by mom it is so weird
to say out loud, but my mom put off his
stuff in a bin and go here, this is yours now,
and I was digging through some old stuff that he
had from his childhood. But that bin, it's like an idiot.
It made me cry like a baby, like it did.
Speaker 7 (20:31):
Of course it did that he kept that.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
He kept that thing. The Beetle Bailey didn't survive.
Speaker 8 (20:36):
If he was still with us, or if I could
to speak to someone who could speak to the afterworld,
I have some words I'd like.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
To share with you.
Speaker 7 (20:42):
Dad wasn't soft and mushy like you are. It wouldn't
be rare.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
For you to keep that, But it is rare that
the way the kind of guy your dad was that
he kept that pin is a really big deal.
Speaker 8 (20:53):
I think so, Like, and it's funny because not that
this is what we're here to talk about, but recently,
like I've had the lots of conversations with my sons
about their life and school and relationships, and it's brought
this like new level of mourning for me, Like with
my dad, because I had so many conversations with him
about parenting, so many and it was so helpful. And
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this was like a gut punch in the last week
of like I can't I can't call him up and
go what do you think of this? Like, am I
doing this right? Or am I doing this wrong?
Speaker 7 (21:25):
And one of my girlfriends the same thing.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Her dad died a couple of years ago, and recently
she's been texting me like, I just wish I could
call my dad, yeah and ask him. You know, my
daughter's being a little bee and I just want to
call my dad and ask him because she did the
same thing.
Speaker 7 (21:40):
He was a great outlet. He had great advice all
the time.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Oh, he was so good at it.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
I just don't know if my kids would ever call
and ask us about stuff like that.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
They will, I really think they will.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
It's hard, I really I think your daughter will definitely
call your wife when things come up.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
They have that relationship. I guess yeah, I think they're
going to call both tree.
Speaker 8 (22:00):
I just again, I'm looking at it from the outside
and and I've seen this in multiple I love to
talk about this stuff.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
Clearly.
Speaker 8 (22:06):
This is why I like coming in here to talk
about it is that I talked to so many people
about the dynamics with each other and their spouse and
their kids and all of that stuff.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
I'm fascinated by it.
Speaker 8 (22:14):
And what's interesting is you look at it from the
outside and while you're in it, you can't see it.
I really think because I have the same fears I have,
Like my new fear is that my kids are going
to grow up and they're not going to want to
hang out with me and talk to me. And I'm
the guy that's been joking about them moving out since
they were like little. Like I told my I try
saying happy birthday to my eight year old son who's
(22:34):
now seventeen. I said, ten more years and then his
friend's spirit was like, what does that mean? He goes
till I have to move out and he's seventeen. He'll
be eighteen next September.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
The self preservation though, for you to say make jokes
like that, yeah, because I think when they leave.
Speaker 8 (22:49):
But I'm one hundred I don't disagree with you, like
I think again, to my point, you're seeing something in
me that I don't see from the outside, just like
I think I could. I would be dumbfounded if Gary's
kids as adults, especially when they start having kids, if
they don't come back and talk to you, like bounce
things off of you. Because I was not joking, I
thought the best thing. This is what I talked to
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my son about last night. I go, when your kids
are young, right, you have this idea of what is
the best thing for them, and you're but you have
this weird conflict of going everything in my gut says
that this is what is right for you, but it
doesn't always feel good and so but and you never
know without a shadow of a doubt, like you you
know it, but you don't know it. And that's the
best way I could describe it. And he looked at
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me with his perpets look, and I said, that's what's crazy.
In my opinion about parenting is I could say these
things that make sense to me perfectly, but until you
have that kid and you start holding your own child,
none of this makes any sense to you. But the minute,
I'm telling you, the minute you hold that baby, all
of this stuff starts to click and you understand my
perspective from a whole different level that you didn't didn't understand.
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And that's why it's important to throw away.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Your kid's art.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
I thought you kids, I was like that just took
pint dark turn in the dark, never hold on too tight,
hold on there was how much art do you have
from your kids?
Speaker 2 (24:07):
There's one I saw in the article.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
There's one thing that I didn't think of that I
think is actually a good idea if if if you
were to think of it now, is you can take
pictures of all of the art and then use a
photo site like shutterfly or snapfish or something like that,
upload all those pictures of the art and turn it
into its own screen.
Speaker 8 (24:26):
We started doing we have a bin for each kid
in the garage, and when it doesn't fit in that bin,
it has to go somewhere. And so I that's what
I pitched my wife because she wants to keep everything
that's good. That's organizing it by year and stuff is
what I wouldn't have thought of either. But we've been taking.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Photos of stuff. Very cool.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
All right, coming back, yep, you do this on AI
parenting Toolsy is gonna blow it.
Speaker 9 (24:51):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from kf
I am six forty.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
Of the hour.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
We're going to get another update from kfi's Michael Monks
regarding the arrest of a twenty nine year old guy
out of Florida for starting the Palisades fire back in January.
It's more details, but in the meantime, we're talking with
Justin Warsham. Justin joins us on Wednesdays and we talk
a lot about parenting and sometimes he puts things in
here just to see if I'll get triggered and punch something.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
The rise of AI powered nannies.
Speaker 8 (25:27):
And this article comes from I think it's the India
Times or something. And what I found interesting is that
they have a twenty twenty survey that they quote that
found that eighty one percent of eighty Indian parents were
comfortable using robot nannies for homework and seventy six percent
trusted them with children under two, highlighting strong acceptance in
Asia homework.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
I get because reintroducing yourself to middle school math and
things of that nature will make you end up punching
someone or banging your head against a wall. There's a
place for robots in that space.
Speaker 7 (26:00):
I believe.
Speaker 8 (26:01):
Here's the part that I think is going to set
Gary off and make him afraid for the future of society.
A twenty twenty five report by the AI and Childcare
and Parenting Market valued the global market at four point
seven billion dollars in twenty twenty four. It has a
projected growth to thirty five point two billion dollars by
twenty thirty four.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
This is well quiet, Yeah, he's got nonverbals, he said, yeah,
when this is an obvious not that we didn't see
this coming, the idea that AI would be used as
a nanny, because we've been using it for everything else.
There was a headline just the other day Elon Musk
is pushing more sexualized AI chatbots because he thinks there's
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a market for it, and that he actually believes that
there would be not just a market for people wanting it,
but that some people need it. They need to have
those kind of conversations with something. If they don't, they're
going to go crazy and potentially hurt others.
Speaker 8 (27:02):
I think I brought a story, but that was the
day that unfortunately, Charlie Kirk was assassinated. And what it
was is that it was about the growth of sexual
relationships of teenagers with AI. Yeah, and personal relationships, but
the growth of sexual specifically is happening curtly.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
So the idea of first of all, outsourcing parenting. If
you are in a position where you're both working, there's
going to be some compromises that you're going to make,
and other people are going to be involved in your
kids' lives.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
I'm not passing judgment on that. That's just the reality
of the way it is.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
But introducing something like this to be part of your
kid's life when it doesn't have to be parenting is
not It's not easy. There's no no one has ever
said it's easy. And you know that going into it,
which is why not everybody has babies popping out of themselves.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah wait, they put it.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
Yeah they're doing great.
Speaker 7 (27:51):
Sure, I'm not going to disagree with them right now,
are you?
Speaker 5 (27:56):
I think I have to know I'm not.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
But there's there's no care.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
There are ways that you can make it easier without
giving up on the parenting.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
And this is to me giving up on the parents.
Speaker 8 (28:06):
And this is when I was reading this, It's I
have this conversation because I have a Tesla and it
has that self driving thing.
Speaker 7 (28:11):
We get it.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
I'm successful, I work in real.
Speaker 8 (28:15):
Estate in the pupa because I'm attractive, cab these are.
Speaker 7 (28:21):
The points their wife is hot.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
Gosh, man, my life is great. Anyway.
Speaker 8 (28:26):
People are always saying like, how could you trust? I
could never trust because and then they always want to say,
did you hear that one story about the tesla. It
mowed down some old lady somewhere there. Listen, I'm not
happy that that happened, But just to be clear, let's
talk about the stories of people who mowed.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
De people, like potentially or unintentionally.
Speaker 8 (28:42):
Like if you compare the stats the actual data, it's
still safer. It's still better than having a human behind
the wheel. But here's where I get hypocriticals that I
don't know if parenting is the same thing, right, but
we also are comfortable outsourcing it to a human. But
maybe some people also have different levels of comfort with
that as well. I don't know it's but it's what's
(29:03):
scary about this is that it seems to be a
trend that society is going towards, much like phones and
screen time, and you know, before is rock and roll music,
and then cable TV and video games and gangster rap music.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Now it's gonna be wrap and then and then you
take two steps back and you look at society and.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
You go, no, we're killing it right now. We're doing great.
Everything's fine.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
We're never We've never been more politically divided, we've never
been more physically unhealthy, we've never suffered more mental health
challenges than we do now, and we go wonder if
we should just keep going on the same road and
sucked the fun out of our brains.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
But just plut ai chat.
Speaker 7 (29:41):
The thing.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
It's do you honestly think that?
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Hold on, I get a text message, so the GPT.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
So perfect?
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Do you?
Speaker 5 (29:57):
But I've never thought of that?
Speaker 8 (29:58):
What is the political a visive nature of at least
American society? We could say, is that really based on
like a dwining or dwindling, dwindling of social skills?
Speaker 5 (30:09):
Is it in it? Bitterly of dwining. It's the it's
doing what the rock would do?
Speaker 2 (30:12):
How many times?
Speaker 3 (30:14):
How many times have you you actually canceled a friendship,
quit a friendship because of someone's political beliefs.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Never but you would do it online.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
She wouldn't even do that.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
I don't think I have friendships on this saying that
people would be I'm never going to talk to them.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
You can give them, you can mute them and.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Hide their comments whatever it is you want to do.
But when you when you rely on that form of communication,
this digital form of communication, you don't know how to
do it face.
Speaker 7 (30:41):
You become more of a hateful person.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 8 (30:44):
So one of the things that blew my mind was
the pediatrician that the boys had. We took them in,
and she she always asked how much time do you
spend on screens? Right, And we were very honest, like,
I've never limited the screen time of my kids. And
she pointed out this thing. She goes, you know their
actual studies, she said, your brain And she explains to
my kids, your brain is much like a gym, like
if there are certain aspects of your brain that you
use consistently, those aspects of your brain become stronger. And
(31:06):
if you don't use, like, for in her example, motor skills,
if you're not using motor skills, those dwindle and they
don't or dwane and.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
They don't stay strong.
Speaker 8 (31:15):
And she goes, we're starting to see studies that people
are struggling with three dimensional objects.
Speaker 7 (31:19):
And you texted her mind your own damn business talking.
Speaker 8 (31:22):
To my children, and but what if that's it? By
by having these things where you can mute we think
of I've said it, social media helps people like be
more connected, but in reality, like your point what you've
been saying this whole time, they're not connected because it's
selective connection. Even the algorithm itself presents to you what
you want to hear. So you're not actually able to
deal with critical thinking or disagreement in any way, shape
(31:45):
or form, because you're building this bubble around your slit.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
It's like eating processed foods. You think you're eating food,
but you're not eating.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
You can fill up, right, you can get full.
Speaker 7 (31:53):
I mean you get the you're getting no nutrients. Though.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
I think we did it.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
I think we saved the world in this one right,
one step closer to saving.
Speaker 7 (32:01):
The Okay, where's that asteroid come in? Is it closer?
Speaker 2 (32:04):
I gotta get an update on that.
Speaker 7 (32:05):
I don't know, It's just I've been counting on that
for a while. Now. Do I have food on my faces?
Has been sitting here?
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Just let me do that?
Speaker 5 (32:12):
Yeah? Did we in the segment too? Certain?
Speaker 7 (32:14):
Have I had food on my face?
Speaker 3 (32:16):
You're just like cool Mongus twelve o'clock hour is coming
up next on Gary Show.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
You've been listening to The Gary and Shannon Show.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
You can always hear us live on KFI AM six
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
App Big News.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
You heard right at the top of the show, twenty
nine year old out of Florida has been arrested in
charge with starting the Palisades fire from back in January
that destroyed eight thousand structures, killed twelve people. Kfi's Michael
Monks was at that news conference and is going to
be covering this story throughout the day today.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Michael, what's going on?
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Well, this was quite a significant announcement because we're eight months,
nine months removed from that destructive Palisades fire, with all
of the questions, all of the speculation around what happened,
what started it. We learned recently that the federal government
is going after a utility because of the Eton fire,
(00:51):
and we were wondering whether something similar would happen here.
But that's not the case. One guy, one guy now
in custody all the way in Florid, Jonathan render Neck.
As you said, a twenty nine year old accused of
starting a fire on New Year's Day up in the
Palisades where he lived. Incidentally, and that fire was put out.
They called it the Lockman fire. It wasn't completely put out.
(01:14):
It was suppressed, as firefighters say. It was suppressed, but
it smoldered very quietly underground until those Santa Ana wins
blew in and that little fire became the Palisades Fire.
And that's why Jonathan Rinderneck is now in custody.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
The details.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Have we seen anything about him in court in Florida
yet and anything out of that.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Not yet.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
But what I thought was the most striking was the
way federal prosecutors described the approach to.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
The allegations around starting this fire.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Render Neck apparently.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Had a little bit of curiosity or interest in fires,
particularly fires that could cause destruction. Here is Acting US
Attorney Bill say Dailey describing some of those early moments.
Speaker 6 (02:03):
After dropping off at Passenger in Pacific Palisades, Rinderneck parked
his car and tried and failed to contact.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
A former friend.
Speaker 6 (02:12):
He exited the car, walked up a nearby trail, took
iPhone videos at a nearby hilltop, and listened to a
rap song whose music video including objects being lit on fire.
The defendant had listened to this song and watched its
music video repeatedly in the days leading up to the
Lochman fire.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
So Rinderneck was an uber driver and some passengers told
investigators that that day New Year's Eve, in the New
Year's Day, that he was irritable and grumpy and not
a pleasant guy to be around in the car. So
it was in kind of a bad mood. Apparently was
listening to this video of a song over and over.
The video features fires. And we also learned that he
(02:53):
did a prompt on chant GPT asking that artificial intelligence
to create an image for him of a city burning
with people fleeing from that scene. And that's exactly what
ended up happening days after the Lackman fire when the
Palisades fire came to fruition.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
So it makes an appearance today. This goes to a
grand jury. Further charges, including murder are on the table
here and could be reached now. This afternoon LA City
council people, at least one councilwoman has called a news
conference that you will be in attendance anything anticipating anything
you anticipate out of this.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
One Michael councilwoman Tracy Park, who represents specific Palisades has
announced this press conference along with other neighborhood leaders. We
know that in addition to the tragedy of losing homes
and businesses like so many in the Palisades did, there
has been a sense of anger over the lack of
(03:48):
a response, a response, a lack of accountability. What started it,
who started it, what could have been better? So I
expect that we'll see a flurry of emotions because it's
it's got to feel good knowing that there is an
explanation allegedly as to the origins of this fire. But really,
when you think about one guy in a bad mood
(04:12):
parking an uber, crawling up a hill and using some
sort of open flame to start what was kind of
a small fire. Firefighters thought they put it out, then
it becomes this big, massive thing when the Santa Ana
wins go. I can't imagine what people in the Palisades
are feeling about this announcement.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Michael Monk's there from KFIE News. Thank you so much
for the coverage. You'll hear him live on with John
at one o'clock right out of Deborah's News for all
of the latest about what has gone on and what
will continue to go on. No doubt, the Internet will
do its thing, and we'll hear all about this guy.
By this time tomorrow. We'll hear from people who knew him.
We'll hear what he was into. Right now, as Michael mentioned,
(04:51):
the only thing we really know is he was in
a bad mood.
Speaker 7 (04:53):
He was an Uber driver.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
His customers reported that he was off or in a
bad mood or angry. We know he had a that
lived in the area. We know he took off to
Florida and he drove for Uber. He liked chat GPT.
But so far that's all we got on this guy.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
It's time for swamp watch. I'm a politician, which means
I'm a cheat and a liar, and when I'm not
kissing babies, I'm stealing the lollipops.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Here we got the real problem is that our.
Speaker 7 (05:18):
Leaders are done. The other side never quits.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
So what I'm not going anywhere.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
So now you train the.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Squad, I can imagine what can be and be unburdened
by what has been. You know, Americans have always been
gone at president.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
They're not stupid.
Speaker 8 (05:33):
A political flunder is when a politician actually tells the truth.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Have the people voted for you with not swap watch
they're all countering. Well, a couple of things going on
in DC.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
One of the stories that came out late yesterday that
we didn't get a chance to talk about during the
show is that former Special Counsel Jack Smith was allegedly
tracking communications and phone calls of about a dozen Republican
senators as he was looking into the January sixth riot
at the Capitol. According to this document, Smith and the
(06:04):
Arctic Frost team were tracking the phone calls of Senators
Lindsey Graham, Marsha Blackburn, Ron Johnson, Josh Holly, Cynthia Lummis,
Bill Haggerty, Dan Sullivan, Tommy Tubberville, and Congressman Mike Kelly
out of Pennsylvania. It says the names of the lawmakers.
The FBI special agent on the team conducted a preliminary
(06:25):
toll analysis of toll records associated with those lawmakers. The
team apparently was able to see which phone numbers these
senators were calling, the location the phone call originated from,
and the location where it was received. Of course, after
months of investigation, Smith did charge President Trump in d
(06:48):
C Court in the twenty twenty elections case, but after
he was elected President, Smith then sought to dismiss that case.
That was one of the revelations that came out just
a yesterday. I don't realize what time I was. We
have more, we do, we do, We'll come back and
do a little bit more. Also a chance at one
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Speaker 9 (07:12):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 10 (07:18):
Hey, Gary, I need you to check your start time
for the Dodgers today. I believe you said it was
at five pm, and I think it's at six oh
eight something like that. Please check because I'm on the
road and I want to watch the game.
Speaker 7 (07:32):
Okay, I did say six o eight? Love your show.
Did you say five? Good kids?
Speaker 4 (07:36):
I pitched time for Dodger Baseball?
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I may have said five, and if so, I apologize
just after six.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Yeah no, If I had heard him say that, I
would have corrected him. But you know what, listen, we
are good kids. First pitch.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Noon two four and six today for the four Division
Series baseball games that are going on noon two four
and six.
Speaker 7 (07:59):
Do we have that game?
Speaker 1 (08:00):
It's not on till noon, okay, but we can get
it on one of the screens. Oh, Yeah, you're not
just gonna put it on your private screen over there like.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
There, you can't see anything.
Speaker 7 (08:08):
So ch you ever noticed that? I just like watch
TV while you're doing the show.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
I do, I do? I notice it all the time.
You don't, I sure do. No, you don't I know
about your secret baseball screen.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
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Again, the keyword is credit. Go on that website. So
this poll came out from Reuters IPSOS ran Friday through Tuesday.
Earlier this week, and from last week showed the Republican
approval rate. Sorry, the president's approval rating ticked down down
to forty percent, which is one point lower than it
was in late September. But again, the seven fifty eight
(09:20):
percent of Americans, including seven to ten Democrats, fifty eight
percent overall think the president should send armed troops only
to face external threats. Now, this has come up because
of the tension over deployment of National Guard troops to
places like Portland and Chicago, and in fact, this morning
he ramped it up a little bit by suggesting that
(09:41):
Illinois Governor JB. Pritzker and Chicago Mayor Brandjon Johnson should
be put in jail. He said it's because they Pritzker
and Johnson have not protected ICE agents who are conducting
operations in the city. National Guard troops from Texas have
arrived in Chicago, at least in the area, and they
(10:02):
have not yet mobilized into the neighborhoods, but that they
are going. They are going to Tomorrow, by the way,
is a federal court hearing on the deployment of National
Guard troops to Portland and to Chicago.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Attorney General Pam Bondi spent more than four hours yesterday
testifying with the Senate Judiciary Committee. She held her own
in the clips that I've heard combative. Yes, repeatedly sparred
with Democrats over her handling of the Justice Department. But
talk about no shrinking Violet.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
She is not afraid of confrontation with members of the Senate,
that's for sure. While all that's of course going on,
we are still in our government shutdown. The Senate failed
to pass a Democrat version of an alternative stopgap funding
bill a sixth time. They said they've been voting now
on the Republican led bill, and the way that they
(11:00):
describe it, the way Republicans have described it is that
this is a clean bill. All it does is keep
all of the current spending plans in place, funds the
government until the right around Thanksgiving and gives them the
time to work out and negotiate the healthcare issues that they.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Are talking about.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
But at this point they haven't passed anything. Former FBI
Director James Comy pleaded not guilty in DC area today
the charges of making a false statement to Congress an
obstruction of a congressional proceeding. Charges were brought against him
after the campaign, of course by President Trump to persecute
James Comy, and the charges were filed just a couple
(11:39):
of days actually before the statute of limitations would have
run out. But as we talked about it early on
in the show, this is not the strongest case, and
in fact, there is an expectation when the charges were
first filed, there were a couple of people Andy McCarthy,
former US attorney now a writer, has said he expects
(12:01):
this thing to absolutely fall apart before it ever gets
to trial.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Do you remember the story we talked about yesterday about
the attorney general candidate in Virginia, Democrat who j Jones,
Jay Jones, who sent some awful text messages around threatening
death and death to family members of Republicans And anyway,
I'm not going to relive the text messages. But apparently
this is getting even more traction because and I did
(12:27):
not know this when we spoke about it yesterday. The
Democrats in Virginia's inability to seize ties.
Speaker 7 (12:35):
With this guy.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
The woman running for governor has yet to distance herself,
the lieutenant governor has yet to distance herself. Now they've
got a Democratic Senator, Mark Warner's campaign contributing twenty five
thousand dollars to this guy. There's no rush for Democrats
leading the state of Virginia or hoping to to distance
themselves from this guy. And now the Republicans are seizing
(12:59):
on that. It's a bell weather state. If the Republicans
can pick up the I should say not if the
Republicans are picking up huge traction off this guy because
the Democrats won't cut ties with him.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Yeah, and listen, it's not again. What he said was
that if he had two bullets, he would use both.
If it was Hitler Polepot and the speaker of the
Virginia delegation, the Speaker of the House, I believe it
is he would have used both bullets on the speaker,
not one on Polepot, not one on Hitler. He also
said that the speaker in this case, Gilbert, Speaker Gilbert
(13:33):
and his wife should have to watch quote their fascist
children die.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Now this goes beyond like again, it's not funny.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
It goes beyond an attempt at humor is probably the
better way to put it.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Between buddies. It's private text messages.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
But the person that he was sending this to even said, Hey,
you got to knock that off.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, that's ridiculous. You're way too far, too much.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Yeah, while we're in the mud, let's address this one.
The White House has now responded to Kamala Harris's book
Tour Stop Here in La. We talked about it yesterday
about here was her quote from the book, Tour Stop
Here in La. There's so much about this moment that
is trying to make people feel like they've lost their minds,
when in fact, these MFAs are crazy. So now the
(14:23):
Trump administration, the White House spokesperson has fired back. I
don't know why you would, but why would you lend
credence to anything that's going on there? But they did,
and this spokesperson cushed a sigh, said Kamala Harris should
listen to an audio recording of her cackle of a
laugh before calling anyone crazy.
Speaker 7 (14:42):
Oh wow, yeah, all right.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Let's dig ourselves out of the mud, shall we. My goodness,
where's a hose?
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Were you ever an artist in grade school? The macaroni
or the finger painting? Or right would your parents do.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
With that stuff?
Speaker 9 (14:58):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (14:58):
My parents thrown everything I ever did, probably within the
calendar day.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Before the paint was even dry. We'll talk about that.
Justin Warsham was going to join us we'll talk about parenting,
what parents do with their kids' art.
Speaker 9 (15:14):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from kfi
AM six forty.
Speaker 7 (15:22):
And I ain't the whole thing. Bet you're gonna be
disappointed in me twenty two pounds.
Speaker 8 (15:26):
Because I feel like that's all one big onion and
how that makes it. It's got to be multiple onion.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
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Speaker 2 (15:36):
That big is it? Yeah, it's pretty big. It's pretty sise.
Speaker 7 (15:39):
I haven't seen one in a long time.
Speaker 9 (15:41):
Hey.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
An arrest announced this morning, twenty nine year old Jonathan
rinder Necked arrested and charged with starting the Palisades fire.
Actually is charged with starting the Lochman fire, which started
up in that same area back on January first, and
then that fire was never fully put outrently and reignited
of course when the winds picked up on January seventh,
(16:04):
resulting in the massive Palisades fire that destroyed thousands of
structures and and killed.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
A dozen people.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
So he will be coming back to California as the
expectation also to face more charges.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Justin Worsham has joined us host of the Dad Podcast.
Speaker 8 (16:20):
I'm starting to feel like I should start to pay
you guys to be here because I just have so
much fun.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
Like that?
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Is that a thing like the earlier where we were like, we.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Think this is the greatest time of our week because
you're always happy.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
You didn't hear us do what we did a bunch
of stuff you wedays.
Speaker 8 (16:40):
But said there was something that happened that the listeners
should be aware of. That makes it seem like this
is not true.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
No, it was.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
I was making sure she didn't say something inappropriate, which
is a.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Very hard task. I tell you, and you that's a
good signal. You were like a third base coach. Yeah,
and he freaking nailed.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
It, just icon enough for you to stay at second.
Yeah a second.
Speaker 8 (17:03):
As a guy on the other team, I have no
idea what the signal meant. I just knew something was up,
but I didn't.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Know what it was.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Anyway, I did yeah, no for it.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
But but we've said, we've known you for years now,
and the even in those dark times that you've had,
because you've had some dark times, you've had a family
stuff go on, we all have you still come in happy,
even through tears at times.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
You're still a happy person.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
You're lucky.
Speaker 7 (17:24):
You're lucky.
Speaker 8 (17:26):
To be honest, it's not it's it's not like that
outside of here, like I enjoyed the I enjoyed this
seems like a fun time to play there. When I
first started doing this full on it like every day
I would leave here, I would leave here miserable with
anxiety that I felt like I ruined your show.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
And then I just reached.
Speaker 8 (17:41):
The level of not caring. I guess because I was like, well,
if they really didn't like it, they would tell me
to remember what I would say every year. I would say,
just so you know, if you want.
Speaker 7 (17:48):
To you are a delight, we said earlier, You're a gift.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
Therefore, if there's.
Speaker 8 (17:54):
One thing I've learned about radio, they don't like it
when you compliment each other. Yeah, they get very angry.
Upper management gets upset.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
We were talking about art when it comes to kids
and the things that they draw and what we do
with them. I have a soft spot for art that
my kids do. I still have some of the stuff
that they the cheesy stuff that they made in elementary school.
One specific that I can remember two things. One of
his my daughter made a Father's day thing was like
(18:21):
the last project they did in school that year, and
it was her wearing a big fake paper tie. They
all made fake paper ties and then took this big
picture with like a collared shirt, so it's supposed to
look like she's wearing my shirt with a tie. This
is his happy Father's Day. It was really nice. I
still have that. And the other one is my son
(18:42):
made a newspaper one time, full articles, comics, articles, pictures, everything,
and he called it the Calvin Times. I love this,
and I mean, you made a big, big pieces of
paper and everything.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
We folded it up and it's stuck in.
Speaker 7 (18:59):
A clai An aspect? Was he when he did that.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Nine ten eleven.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
That's very cool.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
I oppressive. I did not think.
Speaker 8 (19:10):
It was just, but he thought it was like a
like an antique. I this is something. I did not
think of this when I brought this in. But because really,
what they're talking about in this article is like having
to save all four hundred pieces of art that your
kid made, because and I think what you've brought to
my attention is that that is definitely like a modern
parents perspective is that everything has to be celebrated, which,
(19:33):
when you really break it down, like the three of
us often talk about, that's not the case. I had
two things. One I did I almost borderline traced it.
But I got this cartoon book at the school library
and I made a Beetle Bailey because my dad one
time showed me a cartoon in the paper that Beatle
Bailey that made him laugh, and I thought that meant
it was his favorite cartoon.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
And I drew it.
Speaker 8 (19:53):
And I'd given my dad things that we make in
school for Father's Day for years. This was the only thing.
He's like, Wow, that's cool. That's all he said. And
my father was not a guy who with held affection
or love or praise. But and he stuck it up
next to his desk in his office and it stayed
there for decades. For decades he had this thing. But
and then the other thing was after he passed away,
they did these workshops at the school where you would
(20:14):
make and I made a button for him and colored
it in and it said World's number one Dad. And
when he passed away, by mom it is so weird
to say out loud, but my mom put off his
stuff in a bin and go here, this is yours now,
and I was digging through some old stuff that he
had from his childhood. But that bin, it's like an idiot.
It made me cry like a baby, like it did.
Speaker 7 (20:31):
Of course it did that he kept that.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
He kept that thing. The Beetle Bailey didn't survive.
Speaker 8 (20:36):
If he was still with us, or if I could
to speak to someone who could speak to the afterworld,
I have some words I'd like.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
To share with you.
Speaker 7 (20:42):
Dad wasn't soft and mushy like you are. It wouldn't
be rare.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
For you to keep that, But it is rare that
the way the kind of guy your dad was that
he kept that pin is a really big deal.
Speaker 8 (20:53):
I think so, Like, and it's funny because not that
this is what we're here to talk about, but recently,
like I've had the lots of conversations with my sons
about their life and school and relationships, and it's brought
this like new level of mourning for me, Like with
my dad, because I had so many conversations with him
about parenting, so many and it was so helpful. And
(21:16):
this was like a gut punch in the last week
of like I can't I can't call him up and
go what do you think of this? Like, am I
doing this right? Or am I doing this wrong?
Speaker 7 (21:25):
And one of my girlfriends the same thing.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Her dad died a couple of years ago, and recently
she's been texting me like, I just wish I could
call my dad, yeah and ask him. You know, my
daughter's being a little bee and I just want to
call my dad and ask him because she did the
same thing.
Speaker 7 (21:40):
He was a great outlet. He had great advice all
the time.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Oh, he was so good at it.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
I just don't know if my kids would ever call
and ask us about stuff like that.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
They will, I really think they will.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
It's hard, I really I think your daughter will definitely
call your wife when things come up.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
They have that relationship. I guess yeah, I think they're
going to call both tree.
Speaker 8 (22:00):
I just again, I'm looking at it from the outside
and and I've seen this in multiple I love to
talk about this stuff.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
Clearly.
Speaker 8 (22:06):
This is why I like coming in here to talk
about it is that I talked to so many people
about the dynamics with each other and their spouse and
their kids and all of that stuff.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
I'm fascinated by it.
Speaker 8 (22:14):
And what's interesting is you look at it from the
outside and while you're in it, you can't see it.
I really think because I have the same fears I have,
Like my new fear is that my kids are going
to grow up and they're not going to want to
hang out with me and talk to me. And I'm
the guy that's been joking about them moving out since
they were like little. Like I told my I try
saying happy birthday to my eight year old son who's
(22:34):
now seventeen. I said, ten more years and then his
friend's spirit was like, what does that mean? He goes
till I have to move out and he's seventeen. He'll
be eighteen next September.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
The self preservation though, for you to say make jokes
like that, yeah, because I think when they leave.
Speaker 8 (22:49):
But I'm one hundred I don't disagree with you, like
I think again, to my point, you're seeing something in
me that I don't see from the outside, just like
I think I could. I would be dumbfounded if Gary's
kids as adults, especially when they start having kids, if
they don't come back and talk to you, like bounce
things off of you. Because I was not joking, I
thought the best thing. This is what I talked to
(23:10):
my son about last night. I go, when your kids
are young, right, you have this idea of what is
the best thing for them, and you're but you have
this weird conflict of going everything in my gut says
that this is what is right for you, but it
doesn't always feel good and so but and you never
know without a shadow of a doubt, like you you
know it, but you don't know it. And that's the
best way I could describe it. And he looked at
(23:31):
me with his perpets look, and I said, that's what's crazy.
In my opinion about parenting is I could say these
things that make sense to me perfectly, but until you
have that kid and you start holding your own child,
none of this makes any sense to you. But the minute,
I'm telling you, the minute you hold that baby, all
of this stuff starts to click and you understand my
perspective from a whole different level that you didn't didn't understand.
(23:53):
And that's why it's important to throw away.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Your kid's art.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
I thought you kids, I was like that just took
pint dark turn in the dark, never hold on too tight,
hold on there was how much art do you have
from your kids?
Speaker 2 (24:07):
There's one I saw in the article.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
There's one thing that I didn't think of that I
think is actually a good idea if if if you
were to think of it now, is you can take
pictures of all of the art and then use a
photo site like shutterfly or snapfish or something like that,
upload all those pictures of the art and turn it
into its own screen.
Speaker 8 (24:26):
We started doing we have a bin for each kid
in the garage, and when it doesn't fit in that bin,
it has to go somewhere. And so I that's what
I pitched my wife because she wants to keep everything
that's good. That's organizing it by year and stuff is
what I wouldn't have thought of either. But we've been taking.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Photos of stuff. Very cool.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
All right, coming back, yep, you do this on AI
parenting Toolsy is gonna blow it.
Speaker 9 (24:51):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from kf
I am six forty.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
Of the hour.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
We're going to get another update from kfi's Michael Monks
regarding the arrest of a twenty nine year old guy
out of Florida for starting the Palisades fire back in January.
It's more details, but in the meantime, we're talking with
Justin Warsham. Justin joins us on Wednesdays and we talk
a lot about parenting and sometimes he puts things in
here just to see if I'll get triggered and punch something.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
The rise of AI powered nannies.
Speaker 8 (25:27):
And this article comes from I think it's the India
Times or something. And what I found interesting is that
they have a twenty twenty survey that they quote that
found that eighty one percent of eighty Indian parents were
comfortable using robot nannies for homework and seventy six percent
trusted them with children under two, highlighting strong acceptance in
Asia homework.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
I get because reintroducing yourself to middle school math and
things of that nature will make you end up punching
someone or banging your head against a wall. There's a
place for robots in that space.
Speaker 7 (26:00):
I believe.
Speaker 8 (26:01):
Here's the part that I think is going to set
Gary off and make him afraid for the future of society.
A twenty twenty five report by the AI and Childcare
and Parenting Market valued the global market at four point
seven billion dollars in twenty twenty four. It has a
projected growth to thirty five point two billion dollars by
twenty thirty four.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
This is well quiet, Yeah, he's got nonverbals, he said, yeah,
when this is an obvious not that we didn't see
this coming, the idea that AI would be used as
a nanny, because we've been using it for everything else.
There was a headline just the other day Elon Musk
is pushing more sexualized AI chatbots because he thinks there's
(26:47):
a market for it, and that he actually believes that
there would be not just a market for people wanting it,
but that some people need it. They need to have
those kind of conversations with something. If they don't, they're
going to go crazy and potentially hurt others.
Speaker 8 (27:02):
I think I brought a story, but that was the
day that unfortunately, Charlie Kirk was assassinated. And what it
was is that it was about the growth of sexual
relationships of teenagers with AI. Yeah, and personal relationships, but
the growth of sexual specifically is happening curtly.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
So the idea of first of all, outsourcing parenting. If
you are in a position where you're both working, there's
going to be some compromises that you're going to make,
and other people are going to be involved in your
kids' lives.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
I'm not passing judgment on that. That's just the reality
of the way it is.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
But introducing something like this to be part of your
kid's life when it doesn't have to be parenting is
not It's not easy. There's no no one has ever
said it's easy. And you know that going into it,
which is why not everybody has babies popping out of themselves.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah wait, they put it.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
Yeah they're doing great.
Speaker 7 (27:51):
Sure, I'm not going to disagree with them right now,
are you?
Speaker 5 (27:56):
I think I have to know I'm not.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
But there's there's no care.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
There are ways that you can make it easier without
giving up on the parenting.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
And this is to me giving up on the parents.
Speaker 8 (28:06):
And this is when I was reading this, It's I
have this conversation because I have a Tesla and it
has that self driving thing.
Speaker 7 (28:11):
We get it.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
I'm successful, I work in real.
Speaker 8 (28:15):
Estate in the pupa because I'm attractive, cab these are.
Speaker 7 (28:21):
The points their wife is hot.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
Gosh, man, my life is great. Anyway.
Speaker 8 (28:26):
People are always saying like, how could you trust? I
could never trust because and then they always want to say,
did you hear that one story about the tesla. It
mowed down some old lady somewhere there. Listen, I'm not
happy that that happened, But just to be clear, let's
talk about the stories of people who mowed.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
De people, like potentially or unintentionally.
Speaker 8 (28:42):
Like if you compare the stats the actual data, it's
still safer. It's still better than having a human behind
the wheel. But here's where I get hypocriticals that I
don't know if parenting is the same thing, right, but
we also are comfortable outsourcing it to a human. But
maybe some people also have different levels of comfort with
that as well. I don't know it's but it's what's
(29:03):
scary about this is that it seems to be a
trend that society is going towards, much like phones and
screen time, and you know, before is rock and roll music,
and then cable TV and video games and gangster rap music.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Now it's gonna be wrap and then and then you
take two steps back and you look at society and.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
You go, no, we're killing it right now. We're doing great.
Everything's fine.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
We're never We've never been more politically divided, we've never
been more physically unhealthy, we've never suffered more mental health
challenges than we do now, and we go wonder if
we should just keep going on the same road and
sucked the fun out of our brains.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
But just plut ai chat.
Speaker 7 (29:41):
The thing.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
It's do you honestly think that?
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Hold on, I get a text message, so the GPT.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
So perfect?
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Do you?
Speaker 5 (29:57):
But I've never thought of that?
Speaker 8 (29:58):
What is the political a visive nature of at least
American society? We could say, is that really based on
like a dwining or dwindling, dwindling of social skills?
Speaker 5 (30:09):
Is it in it? Bitterly of dwining. It's the it's
doing what the rock would do?
Speaker 2 (30:12):
How many times?
Speaker 3 (30:14):
How many times have you you actually canceled a friendship,
quit a friendship because of someone's political beliefs.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Never but you would do it online.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
She wouldn't even do that.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
I don't think I have friendships on this saying that
people would be I'm never going to talk to them.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
You can give them, you can mute them and.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Hide their comments whatever it is you want to do.
But when you when you rely on that form of communication,
this digital form of communication, you don't know how to
do it face.
Speaker 7 (30:41):
You become more of a hateful person.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 8 (30:44):
So one of the things that blew my mind was
the pediatrician that the boys had. We took them in,
and she she always asked how much time do you
spend on screens? Right, And we were very honest, like,
I've never limited the screen time of my kids. And
she pointed out this thing. She goes, you know their
actual studies, she said, your brain And she explains to
my kids, your brain is much like a gym, like
if there are certain aspects of your brain that you
use consistently, those aspects of your brain become stronger. And
(31:06):
if you don't use, like, for in her example, motor skills,
if you're not using motor skills, those dwindle and they
don't or dwane and.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
They don't stay strong.
Speaker 8 (31:15):
And she goes, we're starting to see studies that people
are struggling with three dimensional objects.
Speaker 7 (31:19):
And you texted her mind your own damn business talking.
Speaker 8 (31:22):
To my children, and but what if that's it? By
by having these things where you can mute we think
of I've said it, social media helps people like be
more connected, but in reality, like your point what you've
been saying this whole time, they're not connected because it's
selective connection. Even the algorithm itself presents to you what
you want to hear. So you're not actually able to
deal with critical thinking or disagreement in any way, shape
(31:45):
or form, because you're building this bubble around your slit.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
It's like eating processed foods. You think you're eating food,
but you're not eating.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
You can fill up, right, you can get full.
Speaker 7 (31:53):
I mean you get the you're getting no nutrients. Though.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
I think we did it.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
I think we saved the world in this one right,
one step closer to saving.
Speaker 7 (32:01):
The Okay, where's that asteroid come in? Is it closer?
Speaker 2 (32:04):
I gotta get an update on that.
Speaker 7 (32:05):
I don't know, It's just I've been counting on that
for a while. Now. Do I have food on my faces?
Has been sitting here?
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Just let me do that?
Speaker 5 (32:12):
Yeah? Did we in the segment too? Certain?
Speaker 7 (32:14):
Have I had food on my face?
Speaker 3 (32:16):
You're just like cool Mongus twelve o'clock hour is coming
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