July 9, 2025 • 33 mins
SwampWatch – Trump got green light to fire federal workers. Parenting w/ Justin Worshim – 10 parenting habits from the 80s that would spark outrage now / empty nesters reveal what it’s really like when kids move out in 2025.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
A M six forty, The Gary and Shannon Show on
demand on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Now on garyan Shannon is time for swamp Watch.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
I'm a politician, which means I'm a cheat and a
liar and when I'm not kissing babies, I'm stealing their
lolleypops here we got.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
The real problem is that our leaders are dumb.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
The other side never quit, so.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
I'm not going anywhere. So now you train the swat,
I can imagine what can be and be unburdened by
what has been. You know, murvants have always been going
at president. They're not stupid.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
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Speaker 2 (00:59):
I got to ask you a question, how well do
you know your civics? How well do you know how
your own country works? You know, three ring circus, three
branches of government, that kind of stuff. And I think
a lot of times we get married about stuff because
we don't know how things actually work. Donald Trump is
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our president. He was elected by more people is than
the popular vote, and he amassed more Electoral College votes.
He is the president and to the victor go the spoils.
And although many people may not agree with his legislative agenda,
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he has the right to enact it. Now, there are
ways in which you can push back against that in
the legal sense. You can offer legal challenges, you can
try to force it up the court system, the pellet
courts and appeals court, and then it goes to the
Supreme Court, then the Supreme Court rules, and after that
it's done. One of those examples is having to do
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with firing federal workers. There was a challenge to what
Doeze was doing. Whether they could the Trump administration legally
fire federal workers. And that's separate and distinct from whether
they had the autonomy and the power to move different
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budget items around, in other words, take federal funding. Just
talking about firing federal workers, and for weeks now we've
waited on the Supreme Court to make a decision whether
the Trump administration had the power, the legal right to
fire federal workers. Scota said, yes, the president has that power,
and the Trump administration is going to move ahead with
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these mass layoffs. This is what I would say, and
this goes back to what I said earlier about the
federal government versus state and local governments. I look at
the federal government as the insurance policy. The reason why
we have the FD is it's an insurance policy to
make sure that bad actors aren't messing with our food,
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for example. The reason why we had the EPA, and
I say had as in past tense, because it's been
basically dismantled, is to make sure that we're not doing
things to environment which long term could really really be
bad for us, be bad for us individually, be bad
for us collectively and as a community. The reason why
we have these federal agencies because it's not realistic to
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have states monitor quote unquote the environment, the food, and
so forth. That's why you have these federal agencies. The
Trump administration has come from the standpoint that there's too
much blow. We don't need to have these agencies. We
don't need to have the Department of education. I personally
disagree with that. I'm really big on education. But the
Trump administration has taken the stand that there is too
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much bloat and we don't need this size of federal government,
and so pursuant to the election, and so that we
are in a democracy, Well let me stop right there. Yes,
I know we're in a constitutional republic. But constitutional republic
is a form of democracy. It's a representative democracy. It's shorthand. Okay,
so you can use either interchangeably. It's not a true
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democracy is one person in one vote and so forth.
But a constitutional republic is a form of democracy. We
use democracy as a shorthand. I don't need you to
correct me. Can't stand that. Learn your civics. But my
point is since Donald Trump won and became president, these
are some of the steps that he is taking as president.
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And they're moving ahead with these mass layoffs, going back
to my analogy of how the federal government, I believe
is an insurance policy. We won't see the direct and
indirect effect of these mass layoffs until down the road.
We talked earlier about how FEMA has a role and
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to what extent a role it should play in the
management of disasters when states themselves are unable to handle
the size of them. If you think that Mississippi can
handle a hurricane disaster in the same way that maybe
Texas could, you're deluding yourself.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
There is a role for the federal government to play.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
But we won't see the true effects of a diminished
or an eradicated FEMA in the short term. Most likely
we would see it in the long term when we
have a mass casualty event or some sort of a
disaster of mother nature and thousands of people have been impacted,
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and oh like, for example, what's going on in North
Carolina right now and how they're trying to rebuild, and
they have been petitioning the federal government. Alabama's been petitioning
the federal government for more aid in light of the tornadoes.
This is something that could impact states and communities for years.
We think about what happened with Hurricane Katrina in the
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city of New Orleans, and I visited New Orleans, and
it took New Orleans at least ten years with the
help of FEMA the federal government to get back to
some sense of normality. But we won't know the importance
of FEMA until down the road.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
We won't know.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Until we have an issue which impacts tens of thousands
of people, we won't know. And so in the short
term the Trump administration, they will be firing people left
and right, thousands and thousands of people. And there's an
argument to be made, a good argument as far as
whether all these federal employees are necessary.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
That is a good argument.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
There is an argument to be made about our budgeting,
whether we are spending the money in the right way,
on the right things, on the right people, at the
right time and under the right circumstances. Those are legitimate arguments.
But there's also a legitimate argument as to whether this
wholesale slashing of departments and agencies with that real analysis
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of their impact and import has undattended consequences down the road.
And again, I like the insurance analogy because I remember,
and if you're over the age of forty, you remember
as well. Elmar I think you're under the age of forty.
So he may not be there yet, but I remember
when I was twenty one twenty two years old, I
never got sick. I was in perfect health. I was
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working out every day. The whole idea of carrying health
insurance is like, you want me to pay for health
insurance when I'm healthy all the time. I don't need
health insurance. And this is actually before they even mandated
car insurance. I said, I don't need car insurance. You
know how much money I could save waste, fraud, and abuse.
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You know how much money I could save if I
didn't pay for health insurance, if I didn't pay for
car insurance. My car is just fine.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
I'm a good driver.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I'm not gonna get any accidents, and I'm not gonna
get sick. I don't need long term disability on my insurance.
I don't need any of that. And then you get
a little older, and then you start understanding how and
why you need it there just in case you need
it there for actual disasters or emergencies. And you get
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older and you understand the long term applications of not
having health insurance, not having car insurance, whether you can
afford it or not, but not having it can make
a disaster even worse. And this is what I think
may happen here in America with all this wholesale cutting
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of agencies and employees for the sake of numerology, for
the sake of budgets for the sake of line items
saving money. Sometimes you can cut off an arm and
a leg and then you end up killing the body
all together. Gary Shannon Show, I'm o Kelly here.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
And the second portion of Swamp Watch. I want to
talk about tariffs generally and specifically. We know our president
is really focusing on using tariffs to i'll say realign
our trade relationships all around the world. Originally he had
talked about some ninety trade deals in ninety days, didn't
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quite make it there. He has the framework on three
different trade deals and maybe one another in the pipeline.
But for any trade deal to be consummated has to
be passed by Congress, going back to Civics first and foremost,
So saying we have a deal, and even the announcement
of a deal does not mean we actually have a
deal until the deal is consummated via of Congress. And
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when you watch these things, when you listen to things,
I always want to make sure that people know what
they're listening to or what's being told to them. You
can come to your own conclusion, but you should know
what is factual and what is fiction. And as far
as tariffs are concerned, I hope people know. Like, let's
say Elmer. I'm gonna pick on Elmer for a second.
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And Elmer has his business, Elmer's Widgets. Elmer's widgets is
doing real well, and he sells widgets for maybe a
dollar each. And President Trump has said, we're putting a
tariff on all widgets. But Elmer has to buy his
widgets from China in this hypothetical, So for you, Elmer,
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you sell your widgets at a dollar each. Yeah, you
buy excuse me, you sell them. You have to buy
them for a dollar each. Okay, you purchase each unit
a dollar each. And then the President says we're gonna
put a twenty five percent tariff on your widgets, which
means you, as Elmer's widgets, have to pay the dollar
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twenty five for each widget wholesale costs. No, you, because
that's how you get your widgets from China. That twenty
five percent is a cost that you have to incur.
China's not paying it. China is saying, hey, Elmer, if
you want these widgets, they're going to cost more because
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there's a tariff, which means the importer. You as the importer,
you're bringing the widgets into the country, you have to
pay for them. Now you have a decision to make elmore.
You can purchase those widgets at a dollar twenty five
and either eat it or pass it along.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
To the consumer. That's up to you.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Oh, I see, but China does not pay that tariff.
China is only offering you the opportunity to purchase your
goods from China. The whole point of a tariff is
to make or i should say, level a competitive playing
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field where let's say you have United States manufacturers domestic
manufacturers of widgets. Then you can say, okay, since it's
more expensive to import your widgets, you may look for
an American supplier of widgets and let's say a cost
maybe a dollar fifteen to provide that same widget to you,
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and you know, USA widgets is now a better option.
But as far as paying the tariff, China doesn't pay it.
Anyone who would then want to import those widgets pays
the tariff. So when someone says China's going to pay
the tariff for these other countries is going to pay
the tariff, that is actually not true, the importer pays
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the tariff, and the importer then has to make a
decision whether the importer Elmer's Widgets, is going to pass
that on to me as a consumer who wants to
buy Widget or Elmer's Widgets can eat that and just
still sell it at a dollar. That means you're losing
money because you're paying more than what you're selling it for.
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Whatever your margins were beforehand, you may even shrink your margins.
Let's say you were selling that widget at a dollar fifty.
Originally you're paying for it for a dollar per unit
and selling it for a dollar fifty. Now you're paying
a dollar twenty five per unit. You can still sell
it for a dollar fifty. That would mean you're eating
the cost the price increase because of the tariff. Or
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you can say, now I'm going to sell it for
a dollar seventy five and get my twenty five cents
back twenty five cents extra. And that is how we
should look at these stories about teriffs. When the President
says that a fifty percent tariff on copper imports is coming,
and he threatens a two hundred percent want on pharmaceuticals,
that only matters relative to what the importer decides to do.
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He said at the Cabinet meeting yesterday, quote, we're doing copper,
and the added they who believe the rate would be
fifty percent. And we know that most imported cars in
car parts are facing a twenty five percent tariff. Imported
steel and aluminum both face fifty percent tariffs. So importers,
car companies, or any company which uses copper now has
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to make a decision. They can either purchase and import
the copper or the other parts for cars at the
increased price point and then decide to pass that on
to consumers like you and me, or they can find
an American supplier to get their copper from and depending
on the raw goods and materials. We don't have that
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in America, but if you have the option, then you
can look to an American supplier and buy from them.
The thinking behind the tariff is if you put a
high enough tariff, then people will have no choice but
to buy American. That works in theory provided you can
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buy American. Like for example, if you have a smartphone.
Everybody has a smartphone. You might be listening on the
iHeartRadio app. Those chips, those semiconductor chips are all made
in China and Taiwan, so that phone is most likely
going to cost more no matter what. China's not paying
for that, Taiwan is not paying for that. You as
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a consumer are most likely going to.
Speaker 6 (15:29):
Pay that unless Apple or Google decide to eat that
tariff because the smart the smartphone semiconductor chips now cost
more because of these tariffs.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
It's complicated and at the same time it's simple. The
tariffs are going to be passed on to us most likely,
and we're going to be paying more for the goods
and services. But it does open up the door the
possibility in certain industries, depending on what it is, for
us to instead buy American. But they're almost virtually no
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products which are completely constructed and manufactured here in America.
You can go get a Ford, which is a quote
unquote American made car, and that crosses the border many times.
It has all sorts of parts which are made outside
the country, which are brought into the country, which are
which will have a tariff put on them, and it
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still makes the final product, the Ford automobile, which is
quote unquote an American company. That car is still going
to cost more because it's its internal parts were made
overseas and they're not made here. They still cross the
border from maybe Canada, and they go back and forth
in their tariff each time that they cross the border.
So even though you may be buying American, not every
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part in it is made in America or is available
to be purchased in America.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
This is another thing.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Where it's going to take I would say months, maybe
even years to see the full impact of this tariff war,
if you will, and see whether it's good for economy
or not. If you're trying to make a decision right now,
you're not really paying attention because it's going to take
some time for the markets to settle and decide whether
we want to pay the prices that importers are passing
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along to us, or whether we're going to just not
buy anything at all. So keep on watching. It's a
garyan Shannon show. O Kelly, Here, I am six forty.
We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. And I love
the opportunity. If I should be filling in for Gary
and Shannon to talk to people like Justin Worsham. Uh,
because not only do they sometimes forget how fricking funny
you are.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Oh that's very kind, but you're a good.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Dude, and we need to talk more just in general.
So let's talk about parenting with Justin Worsham. Yeah, do
you want to start today?
Speaker 5 (18:01):
I think you're I think you and I are gonna
have a lot of mileage in these eighties tropes of
parenting that are long gone that they would be illegal
today because when I first saw this, I didn't know
you were filling in, and I like to find things
that will sometimes trigger Gary. But when I found out
you were here, I'm like, this is gonna more than
trigger MO, Like, I think this is this excites you
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like it.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Does because I was a kid who was raised on
the belt, and I'm a firm believer of physical discipline.
Beat your kids before they grow up and break in
my house.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
I'm serious. I would rather That's part of why it's
so funny.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
I'm not.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
I'm so serious.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
I would rather they learn strict physical discipline than smash
again grabbing right.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
I wonder you know that is interesting.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
I wonder what the over under is on people who
are incarcerated of like if they had physical discipline in
their like. I also like they call it corporal punishment,
which I think is interesting.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Teachers wrap my knuckle with a ruler. Yeah, in school,
but I'm a firm believe it to be real serious
and not taken away from you. My father was very
strict with me, and he was teaching me parameters boundaries
that the world. If it were to treat teach me later,
I would end up in jail or did He was
saying that I need you to teach you this. If
you do this and go too far and you get
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your ass whipped by me, is because I'd rather it
come from me than the prison.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Or the morgue or both. Yep.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
Yeah, well here let's go down these. Just to give
you some more rant stuff. Is letting kids ride in
the front seat just at General.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
I was always so bad.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
I told you before we came back that I had
my son was maybe five months old.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
We're going to a road trip to Denver to take
my son to sea. Young child. Oh, he was very young.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
But I'm saying this is anybody, But I'm just giving
the example as an extreme example. We were driving through
a snowstorm. I was doing maybe fifteen to twenty miles
an hour. My son was five months old. He needed
either a diaper change or to eat, and my wife's like,
you got to pull over so I could feed him
or whatever. I was like, no, I go just do
it in the car. We're barely moving. She's like, we
can't do that, that's illegal. I'm like you and I
didn't have car seats. We we sat like. I did
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a three day road trip to Texas where they just
put like a spot where a suitcase would go in
the trunk of a station wagon, and that is where
I lived for three days.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
I will do you one better. I bet you have
far father's car. It had a bench as a back seat,
and a bench is a front seat. Didn't have bucket seats.
I don't think it even it had a lap seat belt.
It didn't have a shoulder seat belt.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Swinging loose. Nobody woreried. It was just while you're rolling
in the.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Skid and he stamled the brakes and I'd bounce off
the front bench.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
Seat like the old con put you off jarm out.
That was your parental seat belt smoking around the kid
This was my entire childhood to the point where my
dad passed away.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
I took up smoking again just as a way of remembering.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Both my parents smoked until they were forty and my
father's mother had come to live with us, my grandmother,
and she smoked until the day she died. She would
smoke in the car with the window rolled up, and
I'm the kids she picked me up from school, and
I'm thinking, Wow, this is what it's like to smoke,
because the whole car was filled with smoke. Talk about
second half of smoke. I should be dead at lump
cancer by that head turn while you're kindergarten.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
This is one that I think is interesting, but because
there's no like a physic like official age in the law,
but letting kids stay home alone at a very young
age like I was in third grade, probably seven eight
years old, when I was home alone after school.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
For a while, how about you.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
I got two words for you, LA's key.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Kid.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
If you were home and could lock the door, you
were good because the instructions were don't open the door
for anyone and don't turn on the stove.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
But I was like today's kids, I think they feel
traumatized if they get left alone.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
I thought it was magical.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
I could watch whatever I wanted on TV, I could
eat whatever I wanted. I never felt neglected at.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
All by it.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
What did you do for sick days? My parents went
to work, I was home sick or sick air quotes.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
You know.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
And many times I was maybe four or five years old.
Now today they would look at that as like parental neglect. Yeah, me,
it was like, hey, cartoon, this is great show, right,
it's a win.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
This This is where maybe I get too bubble. Maybe
you'll disagree with me.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
But leaving kids in the car while running errands, like
going into the store, like that's pretty especially it's other California.
That's not a good idea.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
It's not a good idea then or now.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
But when they did it back in the day, we
had vinyl seats, which were like, oh yeah, say leather,
I said, vinyl and those things and the dashboard it
would start cracking over there. It's just from the heat.
It was much more dangerous than than now.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
Yeah, I didn't know this was a thing. But I
just don't even remember having car set. But it says
no car seats after age three. I don't ever remember
there being a car seat, like I think.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
You have car seats like up until like they're twelve,
their feet gotta be all today.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yeah, today they're.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
Almost like thirteen fourteen, like I took it out of ten,
Like I just said, you're done, We're done here.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
This fine.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
I never sat in a car seat in my life. No,
me neither, So I don't know when the law changed.
But you know, I thought, if they could sit in
the seat belt and the lap excuse me, the cross
belt didn't cut their neck off their circulation, they're good enough.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
The biggest tragedy the kids today is letting them play
outside all day without checking in. Remember when the street
lights came in, that was the international sign you had
to go home.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
I had to check in every two and a half hours. Really, yes,
Oh I had to call in obviously from a landfill. Yeah,
I remember my mother called the police. I mean when
I didn't check in after five hours, I rode my
bike from Harbor City to Torrents and I said, I'm
not going to check in, and then I was gone.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
I missed my check in. It's almost like proof of
life concept.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
I didn't call in, so they called LAPD on me
and put in a missing person's report. So when I
came home at five o'clock, true story, and I and
all the kids in neighborhood they saw him. It's like
where you been? And I said, ride in my bike?
Speaker 3 (23:37):
What? What the f and deal? What do you care?
Speaker 2 (23:39):
He said, don't go home home.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
That's not your home anymore. You're on the lamb.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
And I turned to hit the corner and I saw
a lapd in my driveway and I speed up, thinking
like what did someone gets shot?
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Did they robbed the house? It was a burglary.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
And I got home and my mother's looking like, bring
your black ass.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
This is what you spanking in public already talked about
that you're a fan of that. This is when I
get so much flak, even from my kids. Pediatrician letting
kids drink soda all day. I never touched water as
a kid, stayed alive. My parents didn't allow me to
drink soda. For you, and to their credit, I do
not drink any soda now. So that was a good
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habit they instilled in me. I'll do this last one
because I just love the way it's written. No sunscreen,
helmets or safety cure, just.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Vibes like I like that they modernized it.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
I lost a couple of baby teeth riding my bike, Yeah,
and fell in the street, knocked my teeth out right
in front of my house. My mother lost her mind.
I remember kicking a bottle and cutting my foot open.
Didn't get stitches. Yeah, you know, I drank water on
the hose. I did all those things, all those dangerous,
stupid things. I played ding dong ditch toilet paper people's houses.
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They shoot you for that now, Yeah, but I can
say I've lived now.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
They come and they come to your door and they
just spray you a silly string. That's the extent of
the prank.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Oh no, I wouldn't even do that now because it's dangerous.
You know, they shoot people through doors, being very serious.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
I wouldn't know. It's crazy. But yeah, that's all the
stuff from that.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
I think the big thing, like, the biggest thing that
we're taking away from these young kids is that they
don't have any awareness. Like I'm not saying I want
kids to get hurt or I want them to be
in dangerous situations, but when everything is a bubble, like
if you go to a pickup at a middle school,
or a high school.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Those kids just walk.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
Into a crosswalk and they don't even look paying attention
their phones.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
They're just looking at the ground. Yeah, it's it's amazingly
you just assume that to stop.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Yeah, we got to pick this up on the other side,
I think so we were born the same day, same place,
ye lived in the same house. Are you should You're
not my brother?
Speaker 3 (25:37):
I would be so great if I was. This would
be a great day to find out and be done. Look, daddy,
you got something explaining to do. I would be so
happy to be able to use the phrase brother from
another mother.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Forty okey, like infiguring Shannon just today, just today, It'll
be all right?
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Talking parenting with what.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
You get those messages like what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Why are you here?
Speaker 5 (26:13):
That it's true about radio listeners specifically, I feel like
any deviation from the pattern and it's my fault.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
It's like why because they called me. I promise you
all would have been snoring right now.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
I didn't plan to be I'm the night guy. I
don't want to be here. I'm just keeping the chair warm.
That's great.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
But it's almost there's almost like a correlation here. We
talk about parenting and kids.
Speaker 7 (26:39):
These expectations that kids have, They just expect things. They
expect that you're going to pay for their lifestyle, and
to some degree, at some ages that's accurate. After a
certain point, it's not accurate and they start taking liberties.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
I heard an interesting stat that this generation of children
is going to be the first generation that is less
well off than their parents were financially.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
And part of that is not their fault. Like, for example,
when I moved out an owl's mouthing off to my mother,
she kicked me out and I deserved it. No point there,
But I moved in with my friends into a three
bedroom apartment. This is nineteen ninety one, No. Ninety two.
Moved into a three bedroom apartment in Torrents. We all
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paid four hundred dollars each. So it's twelve hundred dollars
for a three bedroom in nineteen ninety two and a
good part of Torrents, yes, at least four thousand.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Dollars now at least. It's crazy.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
It's h's We've even talked about the idea of maybe
leaving southern California when my kids are done with high
school because I don't. They can't just get a regular
job here in southern California and get a house, like,
there's no way they can afford it.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Like I have so many parents.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
Who have to kick in at least a quarter of
a million dollars in some cases as much as seven
hundred and fifty thousand dollars, or even one case where
a parent paid one point three million dollars just paid
for the house because the kids.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
There's no way that a kid could afford it. You
would appreciate this. My parents, my father's passed on, but
they bought this house that they live in, my mother
lives in now to this date, they've lived in more
than fifty years. They bought it in harber City in
nineteen seventy five for fifty four thousand dollars, a four
bedroom house, two person, two parent salary. They're both teachers,
so moderate middle income. But they could buy a four
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bedroom house for fifty four thousand dollars in nineteen seventy five.
Now the house now is probably worth more than a million. Oh,
it doesn't matter where you are, Okay, Yeah, that time
is never coming back, and I'm not going to blame
people who were just born later in the timeline of history.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
Yeah, because inflation doesn't caught up with wages, haven't caught
up with the inflation of those prices, not at all.
In fact, part of what the other segment I want
to talk about was empty nests, and they talk about
that more than half of kids that are eighteen to
twenty nine either live at home or are supported by
their parents in some way financially, where in nineteen sixty
was twenty five percent.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
We do the latter.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
In other words, you have to show the initiative.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
And will help you.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Relative to the initiatives the show. You got to make
sure that you're at least gainfully employed. I want to
know that you're working in the right direction, that you're
playing Paying for a modicum of your bills, like you're
paying for your car will help you with your insurance.
You're paying for rent, will help you with your rent.
In other words, if you're trying to do the right thing,
then my wife and I can see a way to
help you. But if you're just sitting on your ass
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and seeing like, hey, everything's so expensive out there, you're
leaving us no choice but to ignore you, yeah, because
and you can't live here.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
Like we talked about the last sec are a possible
mutual father.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
It seems my dad said to me at one point
where I.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
Said I needed some help for some money, He's like,
I've helped you before, it doesn't seem to work, So
you're gonna figure this one out on your own. Best
thing you ever did for me, like best thing he
ever did. Now, again, I'm not trying to imply that
people need just to throw their kids out of the house,
but there is there's a middle of the road. There's
a middle of the road between like no help whatsoever,
regardless of the circumstance. To me, that's not what family
is for, and then covering everything with it very little
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to no expectation on the kid, Like how do you
expect them to rise that expectation if you don't have one.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
This is something that I actually had to argue and
fight with my wife over because when I have blended
family stepsons, but I had them as teenagers, and so
I look at it through a different lens, and I
was brought up in this way. My parents were firm
in the idea of giving me a bill, giving me
something that I was responsible for. In today's world, that
translates to paying for their cell phone. So they have
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to show a level of responsibility to keep something which
is important to them. And then by the time they're
at nineteen twenty twenty one, they're hopefully a better manager
of money and understand that with choices come consequence as
far as how they spend their money, and maybe they're
better prepared to handle multiple bills.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
Because it's becoming a growing trend, they call it multi
generational housing where kids are staying in.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
This was also I did some research in it.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
This was common in other cultures, just not the Caucasian culture.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Evidently, we want our kids to hell out of the house.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
But there's something to tell you about black Okay, these
mother fathers need to get out.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
I will help you. And my wife said it. She
made it very clear.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
She said, you were above eighteen, I don't need a roommate,
So you're gonna either go to school or are you gonna.
Speaker 5 (31:15):
Go I told my dad at one time, I don't
know why. I was halfway through my senior year. I
turned eighteen, and then the dynamic changed. We were always
very close. He was like my best friend, my entire life,
not in the friend way like he was a dad, right,
but still like I love talking to him, I love
hanging out with him. And I took me until I
was like twenty one, like everybody, and I look back
and I was like, Hey, were you like an a
(31:35):
hole on purpose when I turned eighteen? Because you wanted
me to leave? And this is he said, A great line.
He goes, I didn't want you to be comfortable?
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Yes, no, I said to technical to my wife, I said.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
They're too comfortable. There's no reason to leave. If you're
paying for their food, they're sheltered, their clothing, their phone bill,
their car note, their car insurance.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
That's a great life and we could get it. Who
would want to leave that? I would love a sugar mama, right,
I said my wife. I said, you don't even do
that for me. Why are we gonna do it for
these crumb snatchers? They don't even do dishes. It's so true,
so true. Last word is yours?
Speaker 5 (32:09):
Just empty nesting is what we were trying to talk about.
The point is make sure you stay connected as a
couple because eventually all the kids leave and you don't
want to be distracted. So if you got a youngest
kid who's going to be leaving soon. Start having some
date nights because a lot of people find themselves struggling
when they're like, we don't.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Have that buffer or distraction of kids, and this is
you and me again.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
The best thing about being empty nestress because all the
sons have left is I had to let them know.
It's like, yes, you may know the code to walk
in the house, digital locks and that kind of thing,
but do not, under any circumstances walk in this house unnounced. Okay,
because I like to walk around bucket ass naked. So
if you want to go against that, that's on you.
That's on you. What you see is what you see.
(32:49):
You don't live here anymore, okay.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
My friend had to live.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
With her in laws because their house is getting worked on.
And one day they came home and her mom and
dad were on the couch having a all time.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
And she's said, oh, and her husband was like, that's great.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
I'm so happy for them, like at their age especially,
and now every time she would come home, she'd shake
her keys and keep her like.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
We're there. You learn your lesson? Did you? Justin?
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Is always good to see you better see you man.
Thank you, Gary Shannon Show, Mokelly here. KFIM six forty
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
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Speaker 3 (00:13):
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lolleypops here we got.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
The real problem is that our leaders are dumb.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
The other side never quit, so.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
I'm not going anywhere. So now you train the swat,
I can imagine what can be and be unburdened by
what has been. You know, murvants have always been going
at president. They're not stupid.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
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Speaker 2 (00:59):
I got to ask you a question, how well do
you know your civics? How well do you know how
your own country works? You know, three ring circus, three
branches of government, that kind of stuff. And I think
a lot of times we get married about stuff because
we don't know how things actually work. Donald Trump is
(01:20):
our president. He was elected by more people is than
the popular vote, and he amassed more Electoral College votes.
He is the president and to the victor go the spoils.
And although many people may not agree with his legislative agenda,
(01:42):
he has the right to enact it. Now, there are
ways in which you can push back against that in
the legal sense. You can offer legal challenges, you can
try to force it up the court system, the pellet
courts and appeals court, and then it goes to the
Supreme Court, then the Supreme Court rules, and after that
it's done. One of those examples is having to do
(02:02):
with firing federal workers. There was a challenge to what
Doeze was doing. Whether they could the Trump administration legally
fire federal workers. And that's separate and distinct from whether
they had the autonomy and the power to move different
(02:23):
budget items around, in other words, take federal funding. Just
talking about firing federal workers, and for weeks now we've
waited on the Supreme Court to make a decision whether
the Trump administration had the power, the legal right to
fire federal workers. Scota said, yes, the president has that power,
and the Trump administration is going to move ahead with
(02:45):
these mass layoffs. This is what I would say, and
this goes back to what I said earlier about the
federal government versus state and local governments. I look at
the federal government as the insurance policy. The reason why
we have the FD is it's an insurance policy to
make sure that bad actors aren't messing with our food,
(03:05):
for example. The reason why we had the EPA, and
I say had as in past tense, because it's been
basically dismantled, is to make sure that we're not doing
things to environment which long term could really really be
bad for us, be bad for us individually, be bad
for us collectively and as a community. The reason why
we have these federal agencies because it's not realistic to
(03:27):
have states monitor quote unquote the environment, the food, and
so forth. That's why you have these federal agencies. The
Trump administration has come from the standpoint that there's too
much blow. We don't need to have these agencies. We
don't need to have the Department of education. I personally
disagree with that. I'm really big on education. But the
Trump administration has taken the stand that there is too
(03:51):
much bloat and we don't need this size of federal government,
and so pursuant to the election, and so that we
are in a democracy, Well let me stop right there. Yes,
I know we're in a constitutional republic. But constitutional republic
is a form of democracy. It's a representative democracy. It's shorthand. Okay,
so you can use either interchangeably. It's not a true
(04:13):
democracy is one person in one vote and so forth.
But a constitutional republic is a form of democracy. We
use democracy as a shorthand. I don't need you to
correct me. Can't stand that. Learn your civics. But my
point is since Donald Trump won and became president, these
are some of the steps that he is taking as president.
(04:34):
And they're moving ahead with these mass layoffs, going back
to my analogy of how the federal government, I believe
is an insurance policy. We won't see the direct and
indirect effect of these mass layoffs until down the road.
We talked earlier about how FEMA has a role and
(04:55):
to what extent a role it should play in the
management of disasters when states themselves are unable to handle
the size of them. If you think that Mississippi can
handle a hurricane disaster in the same way that maybe
Texas could, you're deluding yourself.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
There is a role for the federal government to play.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
But we won't see the true effects of a diminished
or an eradicated FEMA in the short term. Most likely
we would see it in the long term when we
have a mass casualty event or some sort of a
disaster of mother nature and thousands of people have been impacted,
(05:39):
and oh like, for example, what's going on in North
Carolina right now and how they're trying to rebuild, and
they have been petitioning the federal government. Alabama's been petitioning
the federal government for more aid in light of the tornadoes.
This is something that could impact states and communities for years.
We think about what happened with Hurricane Katrina in the
(06:01):
city of New Orleans, and I visited New Orleans, and
it took New Orleans at least ten years with the
help of FEMA the federal government to get back to
some sense of normality. But we won't know the importance
of FEMA until down the road.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
We won't know.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Until we have an issue which impacts tens of thousands
of people, we won't know. And so in the short
term the Trump administration, they will be firing people left
and right, thousands and thousands of people. And there's an
argument to be made, a good argument as far as
whether all these federal employees are necessary.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
That is a good argument.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
There is an argument to be made about our budgeting,
whether we are spending the money in the right way,
on the right things, on the right people, at the
right time and under the right circumstances. Those are legitimate arguments.
But there's also a legitimate argument as to whether this
wholesale slashing of departments and agencies with that real analysis
(07:02):
of their impact and import has undattended consequences down the road.
And again, I like the insurance analogy because I remember,
and if you're over the age of forty, you remember
as well. Elmar I think you're under the age of forty.
So he may not be there yet, but I remember
when I was twenty one twenty two years old, I
never got sick. I was in perfect health. I was
(07:23):
working out every day. The whole idea of carrying health
insurance is like, you want me to pay for health
insurance when I'm healthy all the time. I don't need
health insurance. And this is actually before they even mandated
car insurance. I said, I don't need car insurance. You
know how much money I could save waste, fraud, and abuse.
(07:44):
You know how much money I could save if I
didn't pay for health insurance, if I didn't pay for
car insurance. My car is just fine.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
I'm a good driver.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I'm not gonna get any accidents, and I'm not gonna
get sick. I don't need long term disability on my insurance.
I don't need any of that. And then you get
a little older, and then you start understanding how and
why you need it there just in case you need
it there for actual disasters or emergencies. And you get
(08:15):
older and you understand the long term applications of not
having health insurance, not having car insurance, whether you can
afford it or not, but not having it can make
a disaster even worse. And this is what I think
may happen here in America with all this wholesale cutting
(08:35):
of agencies and employees for the sake of numerology, for
the sake of budgets for the sake of line items
saving money. Sometimes you can cut off an arm and
a leg and then you end up killing the body
all together. Gary Shannon Show, I'm o Kelly here.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
And the second portion of Swamp Watch. I want to
talk about tariffs generally and specifically. We know our president
is really focusing on using tariffs to i'll say realign
our trade relationships all around the world. Originally he had
talked about some ninety trade deals in ninety days, didn't
(09:25):
quite make it there. He has the framework on three
different trade deals and maybe one another in the pipeline.
But for any trade deal to be consummated has to
be passed by Congress, going back to Civics first and foremost,
So saying we have a deal, and even the announcement
of a deal does not mean we actually have a
deal until the deal is consummated via of Congress. And
(09:47):
when you watch these things, when you listen to things,
I always want to make sure that people know what
they're listening to or what's being told to them. You
can come to your own conclusion, but you should know
what is factual and what is fiction. And as far
as tariffs are concerned, I hope people know. Like, let's
say Elmer. I'm gonna pick on Elmer for a second.
(10:07):
And Elmer has his business, Elmer's Widgets. Elmer's widgets is
doing real well, and he sells widgets for maybe a
dollar each. And President Trump has said, we're putting a
tariff on all widgets. But Elmer has to buy his
widgets from China in this hypothetical, So for you, Elmer,
(10:31):
you sell your widgets at a dollar each. Yeah, you
buy excuse me, you sell them. You have to buy
them for a dollar each. Okay, you purchase each unit
a dollar each. And then the President says we're gonna
put a twenty five percent tariff on your widgets, which
means you, as Elmer's widgets, have to pay the dollar
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twenty five for each widget wholesale costs. No, you, because
that's how you get your widgets from China. That twenty
five percent is a cost that you have to incur.
China's not paying it. China is saying, hey, Elmer, if
you want these widgets, they're going to cost more because
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there's a tariff, which means the importer. You as the importer,
you're bringing the widgets into the country, you have to
pay for them. Now you have a decision to make elmore.
You can purchase those widgets at a dollar twenty five
and either eat it or pass it along.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
To the consumer. That's up to you.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Oh, I see, but China does not pay that tariff.
China is only offering you the opportunity to purchase your
goods from China. The whole point of a tariff is
to make or i should say, level a competitive playing
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field where let's say you have United States manufacturers domestic
manufacturers of widgets. Then you can say, okay, since it's
more expensive to import your widgets, you may look for
an American supplier of widgets and let's say a cost
maybe a dollar fifteen to provide that same widget to you,
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and you know, USA widgets is now a better option.
But as far as paying the tariff, China doesn't pay it.
Anyone who would then want to import those widgets pays
the tariff. So when someone says China's going to pay
the tariff for these other countries is going to pay
the tariff, that is actually not true, the importer pays
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the tariff, and the importer then has to make a
decision whether the importer Elmer's Widgets, is going to pass
that on to me as a consumer who wants to
buy Widget or Elmer's Widgets can eat that and just
still sell it at a dollar. That means you're losing
money because you're paying more than what you're selling it for.
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Whatever your margins were beforehand, you may even shrink your margins.
Let's say you were selling that widget at a dollar fifty.
Originally you're paying for it for a dollar per unit
and selling it for a dollar fifty. Now you're paying
a dollar twenty five per unit. You can still sell
it for a dollar fifty. That would mean you're eating
the cost the price increase because of the tariff. Or
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you can say, now I'm going to sell it for
a dollar seventy five and get my twenty five cents
back twenty five cents extra. And that is how we
should look at these stories about teriffs. When the President
says that a fifty percent tariff on copper imports is coming,
and he threatens a two hundred percent want on pharmaceuticals,
that only matters relative to what the importer decides to do.
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He said at the Cabinet meeting yesterday, quote, we're doing copper,
and the added they who believe the rate would be
fifty percent. And we know that most imported cars in
car parts are facing a twenty five percent tariff. Imported
steel and aluminum both face fifty percent tariffs. So importers,
car companies, or any company which uses copper now has
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to make a decision. They can either purchase and import
the copper or the other parts for cars at the
increased price point and then decide to pass that on
to consumers like you and me, or they can find
an American supplier to get their copper from and depending
on the raw goods and materials. We don't have that
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in America, but if you have the option, then you
can look to an American supplier and buy from them.
The thinking behind the tariff is if you put a
high enough tariff, then people will have no choice but
to buy American. That works in theory provided you can
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buy American. Like for example, if you have a smartphone.
Everybody has a smartphone. You might be listening on the
iHeartRadio app. Those chips, those semiconductor chips are all made
in China and Taiwan, so that phone is most likely
going to cost more no matter what. China's not paying
for that, Taiwan is not paying for that. You as
(15:27):
a consumer are most likely going to.
Speaker 6 (15:29):
Pay that unless Apple or Google decide to eat that
tariff because the smart the smartphone semiconductor chips now cost
more because of these tariffs.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
It's complicated and at the same time it's simple. The
tariffs are going to be passed on to us most likely,
and we're going to be paying more for the goods
and services. But it does open up the door the
possibility in certain industries, depending on what it is, for
us to instead buy American. But they're almost virtually no
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products which are completely constructed and manufactured here in America.
You can go get a Ford, which is a quote
unquote American made car, and that crosses the border many times.
It has all sorts of parts which are made outside
the country, which are brought into the country, which are
which will have a tariff put on them, and it
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still makes the final product, the Ford automobile, which is
quote unquote an American company. That car is still going
to cost more because it's its internal parts were made
overseas and they're not made here. They still cross the
border from maybe Canada, and they go back and forth
in their tariff each time that they cross the border.
So even though you may be buying American, not every
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part in it is made in America or is available
to be purchased in America.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
This is another thing.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Where it's going to take I would say months, maybe
even years to see the full impact of this tariff war,
if you will, and see whether it's good for economy
or not. If you're trying to make a decision right now,
you're not really paying attention because it's going to take
some time for the markets to settle and decide whether
we want to pay the prices that importers are passing
(17:18):
along to us, or whether we're going to just not
buy anything at all. So keep on watching. It's a
garyan Shannon show. O Kelly, Here, I am six forty.
We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. And I love
the opportunity. If I should be filling in for Gary
and Shannon to talk to people like Justin Worsham. Uh,
because not only do they sometimes forget how fricking funny
you are.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Oh that's very kind, but you're a good.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Dude, and we need to talk more just in general.
So let's talk about parenting with Justin Worsham. Yeah, do
you want to start today?
Speaker 5 (18:01):
I think you're I think you and I are gonna
have a lot of mileage in these eighties tropes of
parenting that are long gone that they would be illegal
today because when I first saw this, I didn't know
you were filling in, and I like to find things
that will sometimes trigger Gary. But when I found out
you were here, I'm like, this is gonna more than
trigger MO, Like, I think this is this excites you
(18:22):
like it.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Does because I was a kid who was raised on
the belt, and I'm a firm believer of physical discipline.
Beat your kids before they grow up and break in
my house.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
I'm serious. I would rather That's part of why it's
so funny.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
I'm not.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
I'm so serious.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
I would rather they learn strict physical discipline than smash
again grabbing right.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
I wonder you know that is interesting.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
I wonder what the over under is on people who
are incarcerated of like if they had physical discipline in
their like. I also like they call it corporal punishment,
which I think is interesting.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Teachers wrap my knuckle with a ruler. Yeah, in school,
but I'm a firm believe it to be real serious
and not taken away from you. My father was very
strict with me, and he was teaching me parameters boundaries
that the world. If it were to treat teach me later,
I would end up in jail or did He was
saying that I need you to teach you this. If
you do this and go too far and you get
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your ass whipped by me, is because I'd rather it
come from me than the prison.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Or the morgue or both. Yep.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
Yeah, well here let's go down these. Just to give
you some more rant stuff. Is letting kids ride in
the front seat just at General.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
I was always so bad.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
I told you before we came back that I had
my son was maybe five months old.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
We're going to a road trip to Denver to take
my son to sea. Young child. Oh, he was very young.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
But I'm saying this is anybody, But I'm just giving
the example as an extreme example. We were driving through
a snowstorm. I was doing maybe fifteen to twenty miles
an hour. My son was five months old. He needed
either a diaper change or to eat, and my wife's like,
you got to pull over so I could feed him
or whatever. I was like, no, I go just do
it in the car. We're barely moving. She's like, we
can't do that, that's illegal. I'm like you and I
didn't have car seats. We we sat like. I did
(20:08):
a three day road trip to Texas where they just
put like a spot where a suitcase would go in
the trunk of a station wagon, and that is where
I lived for three days.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
I will do you one better. I bet you have
far father's car. It had a bench as a back seat,
and a bench is a front seat. Didn't have bucket seats.
I don't think it even it had a lap seat belt.
It didn't have a shoulder seat belt.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Swinging loose. Nobody woreried. It was just while you're rolling
in the.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Skid and he stamled the brakes and I'd bounce off
the front bench.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
Seat like the old con put you off jarm out.
That was your parental seat belt smoking around the kid
This was my entire childhood to the point where my
dad passed away.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
I took up smoking again just as a way of remembering.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Both my parents smoked until they were forty and my
father's mother had come to live with us, my grandmother,
and she smoked until the day she died. She would
smoke in the car with the window rolled up, and
I'm the kids she picked me up from school, and
I'm thinking, Wow, this is what it's like to smoke,
because the whole car was filled with smoke. Talk about
second half of smoke. I should be dead at lump
cancer by that head turn while you're kindergarten.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
This is one that I think is interesting, but because
there's no like a physic like official age in the law,
but letting kids stay home alone at a very young
age like I was in third grade, probably seven eight
years old, when I was home alone after school.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
For a while, how about you.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
I got two words for you, LA's key.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Kid.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
If you were home and could lock the door, you
were good because the instructions were don't open the door
for anyone and don't turn on the stove.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
But I was like today's kids, I think they feel
traumatized if they get left alone.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
I thought it was magical.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
I could watch whatever I wanted on TV, I could
eat whatever I wanted. I never felt neglected at.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
All by it.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
What did you do for sick days? My parents went
to work, I was home sick or sick air quotes.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
You know.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
And many times I was maybe four or five years old.
Now today they would look at that as like parental neglect. Yeah, me,
it was like, hey, cartoon, this is great show, right,
it's a win.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
This This is where maybe I get too bubble. Maybe
you'll disagree with me.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
But leaving kids in the car while running errands, like
going into the store, like that's pretty especially it's other California.
That's not a good idea.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
It's not a good idea then or now.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
But when they did it back in the day, we
had vinyl seats, which were like, oh yeah, say leather,
I said, vinyl and those things and the dashboard it
would start cracking over there. It's just from the heat.
It was much more dangerous than than now.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
Yeah, I didn't know this was a thing. But I
just don't even remember having car set. But it says
no car seats after age three. I don't ever remember
there being a car seat, like I think.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
You have car seats like up until like they're twelve,
their feet gotta be all today.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yeah, today they're.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
Almost like thirteen fourteen, like I took it out of ten,
Like I just said, you're done, We're done here.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
This fine.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
I never sat in a car seat in my life. No,
me neither, So I don't know when the law changed.
But you know, I thought, if they could sit in
the seat belt and the lap excuse me, the cross
belt didn't cut their neck off their circulation, they're good enough.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
The biggest tragedy the kids today is letting them play
outside all day without checking in. Remember when the street
lights came in, that was the international sign you had
to go home.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
I had to check in every two and a half hours. Really, yes,
Oh I had to call in obviously from a landfill. Yeah,
I remember my mother called the police. I mean when
I didn't check in after five hours, I rode my
bike from Harbor City to Torrents and I said, I'm
not going to check in, and then I was gone.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
I missed my check in. It's almost like proof of
life concept.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
I didn't call in, so they called LAPD on me
and put in a missing person's report. So when I
came home at five o'clock, true story, and I and
all the kids in neighborhood they saw him. It's like
where you been? And I said, ride in my bike?
Speaker 3 (23:37):
What? What the f and deal? What do you care?
Speaker 2 (23:39):
He said, don't go home home.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
That's not your home anymore. You're on the lamb.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
And I turned to hit the corner and I saw
a lapd in my driveway and I speed up, thinking
like what did someone gets shot?
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Did they robbed the house? It was a burglary.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
And I got home and my mother's looking like, bring
your black ass.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
This is what you spanking in public already talked about
that you're a fan of that. This is when I
get so much flak, even from my kids. Pediatrician letting
kids drink soda all day. I never touched water as
a kid, stayed alive. My parents didn't allow me to
drink soda. For you, and to their credit, I do
not drink any soda now. So that was a good
(24:18):
habit they instilled in me. I'll do this last one
because I just love the way it's written. No sunscreen,
helmets or safety cure, just.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Vibes like I like that they modernized it.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
I lost a couple of baby teeth riding my bike, Yeah,
and fell in the street, knocked my teeth out right
in front of my house. My mother lost her mind.
I remember kicking a bottle and cutting my foot open.
Didn't get stitches. Yeah, you know, I drank water on
the hose. I did all those things, all those dangerous,
stupid things. I played ding dong ditch toilet paper people's houses.
(24:50):
They shoot you for that now, Yeah, but I can
say I've lived now.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
They come and they come to your door and they
just spray you a silly string. That's the extent of
the prank.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Oh no, I wouldn't even do that now because it's dangerous.
You know, they shoot people through doors, being very serious.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
I wouldn't know. It's crazy. But yeah, that's all the
stuff from that.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
I think the big thing, like, the biggest thing that
we're taking away from these young kids is that they
don't have any awareness. Like I'm not saying I want
kids to get hurt or I want them to be
in dangerous situations, but when everything is a bubble, like
if you go to a pickup at a middle school,
or a high school.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Those kids just walk.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
Into a crosswalk and they don't even look paying attention
their phones.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
They're just looking at the ground. Yeah, it's it's amazingly
you just assume that to stop.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Yeah, we got to pick this up on the other side,
I think so we were born the same day, same place,
ye lived in the same house. Are you should You're
not my brother?
Speaker 3 (25:37):
I would be so great if I was. This would
be a great day to find out and be done. Look, daddy,
you got something explaining to do. I would be so
happy to be able to use the phrase brother from
another mother.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Forty okey, like infiguring Shannon just today, just today, It'll
be all right?
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Talking parenting with what.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
You get those messages like what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Why are you here?
Speaker 5 (26:13):
That it's true about radio listeners specifically, I feel like
any deviation from the pattern and it's my fault.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
It's like why because they called me. I promise you
all would have been snoring right now.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
I didn't plan to be I'm the night guy. I
don't want to be here. I'm just keeping the chair warm.
That's great.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
But it's almost there's almost like a correlation here. We
talk about parenting and kids.
Speaker 7 (26:39):
These expectations that kids have, They just expect things. They
expect that you're going to pay for their lifestyle, and
to some degree, at some ages that's accurate. After a
certain point, it's not accurate and they start taking liberties.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
I heard an interesting stat that this generation of children
is going to be the first generation that is less
well off than their parents were financially.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
And part of that is not their fault. Like, for example,
when I moved out an owl's mouthing off to my mother,
she kicked me out and I deserved it. No point there,
But I moved in with my friends into a three
bedroom apartment. This is nineteen ninety one, No. Ninety two.
Moved into a three bedroom apartment in Torrents. We all
(27:21):
paid four hundred dollars each. So it's twelve hundred dollars
for a three bedroom in nineteen ninety two and a
good part of Torrents, yes, at least four thousand.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Dollars now at least. It's crazy.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
It's h's We've even talked about the idea of maybe
leaving southern California when my kids are done with high
school because I don't. They can't just get a regular
job here in southern California and get a house, like,
there's no way they can afford it.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Like I have so many parents.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
Who have to kick in at least a quarter of
a million dollars in some cases as much as seven
hundred and fifty thousand dollars, or even one case where
a parent paid one point three million dollars just paid
for the house because the kids.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
There's no way that a kid could afford it. You
would appreciate this. My parents, my father's passed on, but
they bought this house that they live in, my mother
lives in now to this date, they've lived in more
than fifty years. They bought it in harber City in
nineteen seventy five for fifty four thousand dollars, a four
bedroom house, two person, two parent salary. They're both teachers,
so moderate middle income. But they could buy a four
(28:18):
bedroom house for fifty four thousand dollars in nineteen seventy five.
Now the house now is probably worth more than a million. Oh,
it doesn't matter where you are, Okay, Yeah, that time
is never coming back, and I'm not going to blame
people who were just born later in the timeline of history.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
Yeah, because inflation doesn't caught up with wages, haven't caught
up with the inflation of those prices, not at all.
In fact, part of what the other segment I want
to talk about was empty nests, and they talk about
that more than half of kids that are eighteen to
twenty nine either live at home or are supported by
their parents in some way financially, where in nineteen sixty
was twenty five percent.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
We do the latter.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
In other words, you have to show the initiative.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
And will help you.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Relative to the initiatives the show. You got to make
sure that you're at least gainfully employed. I want to
know that you're working in the right direction, that you're
playing Paying for a modicum of your bills, like you're
paying for your car will help you with your insurance.
You're paying for rent, will help you with your rent.
In other words, if you're trying to do the right thing,
then my wife and I can see a way to
help you. But if you're just sitting on your ass
(29:23):
and seeing like, hey, everything's so expensive out there, you're
leaving us no choice but to ignore you, yeah, because
and you can't live here.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
Like we talked about the last sec are a possible
mutual father.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
It seems my dad said to me at one point
where I.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
Said I needed some help for some money, He's like,
I've helped you before, it doesn't seem to work, So
you're gonna figure this one out on your own. Best
thing you ever did for me, like best thing he
ever did. Now, again, I'm not trying to imply that
people need just to throw their kids out of the house,
but there is there's a middle of the road. There's
a middle of the road between like no help whatsoever,
regardless of the circumstance. To me, that's not what family
is for, and then covering everything with it very little
(30:00):
to no expectation on the kid, Like how do you
expect them to rise that expectation if you don't have one.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
This is something that I actually had to argue and
fight with my wife over because when I have blended
family stepsons, but I had them as teenagers, and so
I look at it through a different lens, and I
was brought up in this way. My parents were firm
in the idea of giving me a bill, giving me
something that I was responsible for. In today's world, that
translates to paying for their cell phone. So they have
(30:26):
to show a level of responsibility to keep something which
is important to them. And then by the time they're
at nineteen twenty twenty one, they're hopefully a better manager
of money and understand that with choices come consequence as
far as how they spend their money, and maybe they're
better prepared to handle multiple bills.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
Because it's becoming a growing trend, they call it multi
generational housing where kids are staying in.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
This was also I did some research in it.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
This was common in other cultures, just not the Caucasian culture.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Evidently, we want our kids to hell out of the house.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
But there's something to tell you about black Okay, these
mother fathers need to get out.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
I will help you. And my wife said it. She
made it very clear.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
She said, you were above eighteen, I don't need a roommate,
So you're gonna either go to school or are you gonna.
Speaker 5 (31:15):
Go I told my dad at one time, I don't
know why. I was halfway through my senior year. I
turned eighteen, and then the dynamic changed. We were always
very close. He was like my best friend, my entire life,
not in the friend way like he was a dad, right,
but still like I love talking to him, I love
hanging out with him. And I took me until I
was like twenty one, like everybody, and I look back
and I was like, Hey, were you like an a
(31:35):
hole on purpose when I turned eighteen? Because you wanted
me to leave? And this is he said, A great line.
He goes, I didn't want you to be comfortable?
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Yes, no, I said to technical to my wife, I said.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
They're too comfortable. There's no reason to leave. If you're
paying for their food, they're sheltered, their clothing, their phone bill,
their car note, their car insurance.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
That's a great life and we could get it. Who
would want to leave that? I would love a sugar mama, right,
I said my wife. I said, you don't even do
that for me. Why are we gonna do it for
these crumb snatchers? They don't even do dishes. It's so true,
so true. Last word is yours?
Speaker 5 (32:09):
Just empty nesting is what we were trying to talk about.
The point is make sure you stay connected as a
couple because eventually all the kids leave and you don't
want to be distracted. So if you got a youngest
kid who's going to be leaving soon. Start having some
date nights because a lot of people find themselves struggling
when they're like, we don't.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Have that buffer or distraction of kids, and this is
you and me again.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
The best thing about being empty nestress because all the
sons have left is I had to let them know.
It's like, yes, you may know the code to walk
in the house, digital locks and that kind of thing,
but do not, under any circumstances walk in this house unnounced. Okay,
because I like to walk around bucket ass naked. So
if you want to go against that, that's on you.
That's on you. What you see is what you see.
(32:49):
You don't live here anymore, okay.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
My friend had to live.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
With her in laws because their house is getting worked on.
And one day they came home and her mom and
dad were on the couch having a all time.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
And she's said, oh, and her husband was like, that's great.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
I'm so happy for them, like at their age especially,
and now every time she would come home, she'd shake
her keys and keep her like.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
We're there. You learn your lesson? Did you? Justin?
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Is always good to see you better see you man.
Thank you, Gary Shannon Show, Mokelly here. KFIM six forty
We're live everywhere in the i Heeart radio app.
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