March 25, 2025 • 28 mins
What is Signal, the messaging app where Trump officials texted war plans to a journalist? Canadians boycott US Vacations.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
I'll just everywhere on the iHeartRadio that as.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
You get older, you learn to appreciate the very things
that she is pooh poohing at this stage.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Differences.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Differences, Differences are great and also nice and smart goes
much further than a spark right away.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Than a hat.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
I mean, you need a spark, but not like you
don't need you know, he doesn't need to be you know, well,
I won't paint that picture.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Speaking of sparks.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
The Senate right now is one of the committees is
going after some of our intelligence leaders. Director of National
Intelligence is up there, Telsea Gabbard, the head of the CIA,
Cash Betel, the director of the The.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Lighting, the lighting is not going away.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
It's the apprentice lighting from the reality show of twenty Years.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
This is Michael Bennett, Senator from Colorado.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Sloppiness, this incompetence, this disrespect for our intelligence agencies and
the personnel who work for him is entirely on amable.
It's an embarrassment. Seive, Senator, you need to do better.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
You're talking about the intelligence meeting. I was talking about
the Oh that's still the Capitol.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Why does the lighting look dimmer there too? A different channel.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
But anyway, I wonder if the lighting from yesterday at
the White House is going to continue.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
That's what I thought I was looking at.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
But yes, the fact that this is so political, right
like had it been the Democrats that had been talking
on Signal the app or whatever their own private emails,
same damn thing. It's just maddening the how hypocritical everything
is in Washington.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
So you broke this at least on our show yesterday,
we talked about this where it turns out that a reporter,
actually the editor in chief now for the Atlantic magazine,
Jeffrey Goldberg, was included in a text chain of the
highest level cabinet members that exist, basically Secretary of Defense,
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Secretary of State, Vice President of the United States, the
director of the CIA, the Director of National Intelligence, and
all of them discussing our upcoming actions against Hohothi's in Yemen.
And when Jeffrey Goldberg I read through this whole piece
that he put in the Atlantic yesterday explaining it. When
Jeffrey Goldberg got a notification that he had been involved
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in the houthy PC small group. He immediately thought, this
has got to be fake. Not only is it fake,
it's probably a trap. He thought it was going to
be one of those finger quotes journalist groups that goes
out and tries to catch reporters and prove that they're
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left leaning tools or something like that. So he did
nothing as part of this group. He didn't respond, he
didn't add any input. He didn't go, hey, guys, it's
Jeffrey Goldberg from The Atlantic. You probably don't want me
in here. He didn't do anything because he thought it
was fake.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Eric Leonard was the first reporter that I remember before
even apps were a thing, at least not a thing
like they are now.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Who used this.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I believe it was Signal and the very infancy as
a way to communicate with sources in LA and.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Elsewhere, because it's end to end ENCRYPTID, right, so it
would be harder for someone to tap into and find
your secrets.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Exactly, So it wouldn't be out of the realm of
possibility that a trusted reporter would be on your signal
contact lists or whatever the hell it is.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I don't know I've never used it.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
I have no sources, but you know what I mean, Like,
it wouldn't be out of the realm that he would
be added to the group chat if he was in
contact with these people off the record, on the record.
Wink wink, it's not It's not like it's not like
Joe Blow in Peoria is getting the war plans. It's
people that are probably trusted with high level information anyway
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in this group, like Jeffrey Goldberg. And yes, he should
not have been included, and should war plans be talked
about on an app These are all discussions to have.
But it's not like some massive breach of information got
into the wrong hands. It's not like China was made
privy to this.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
So and I told you that that when when he
first was realized that he'd been included in this chat,
he thought it was fake. And then he thought, oh,
maybe I was included on this by one of either
one of these high level cabinet members or one of
their you know, direct underlings who would have set up
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the meeting because they wanted to leak the information to
the guy he who would write it up in the
in the Atlantic magazine. Now he still hadn't come to
any conclusion about exactly what it was, and the information
back and forth was pretty interesting, just in terms of
the difference of opinion between say, the Vice President and
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the Secretary of Defense when it came to the actual
attack that was supposed to take place on the hoo
Thi's in Yemen because of their attacks on maritime and military.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Assets, and that to me is a fascinating part of
the story. And we'll get into that coming up next
because that is interesting how they communicate with each other
when it comes down to things like this. The President,
by the way, did tell NBC News today that National
Security Advisor Mike Waltz has learned a lesson.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yeah, he's supposedly the guy that set the whole thing up,
invited the members to the group, and it would have
been Michael Waltz who had Jeffrey Goldberg's number or contact
information and somehow in included him in the text chain
to begin with. So, like I said, Tulsi Gabbard, Michael Ratcliffe,
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Director CIA Cash Bettel from FBI, the Defense Intelligence Agency,
they were all talking before a Senate committee this morning,
and this was one of the main topics. So we'll
play some of that and what Pete Hegseeth says about
what happened. He made some comments today about Jeffrey Goldberg
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basically calling him a flat out liar about what was
in Well.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
I don't look to Pete hag Seth as the bastion.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
But he's the Secretary of Defense. He should be.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
He should be, but he's not. Did you expect him
to be? Come on, but the pearl clutching on Capitol
Hill is rich.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Well, just say that Gary and Shannon will continue.
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Speaker 3 (06:59):
As Amy just mentioned getting word out of Washington that
there are now separate agreements between Ukraine and the United
States and Russia and the United States to ensure safe
navigation in the Black Sea, to try to implement a
ban against strikes against energy facilities in those two countries.
White House said in a statement today that Washington's going
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to try to help restore Russia's access to the world
market for agriculture and fertilizer exports and will continue facilitating
talks on both sides as they try to come somewhere
something a little bit closer, perhaps to some sort of
ceasefire in that area. We've been following the story top
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national security officials, including the Defense Secretary. We're texting war
plans for upcoming military strikes in Yemen to a group
chat in what is otherwise a secure messaging app that
includes editor in chief of the Atlantic. Unfortunately for them,
Jeffrey Goldberg wrote a huge piece in what was going
On sorry, in the Atlantic magazine about what was going
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on on this text chain, and the Secretary of Defense
Pete Hegseth had said that this, in fact was not
a war plan. He said so on the tarmac after
he got off an airplane earlier today and then sorry,
it was yesterday that he said that. At the writer
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for the piece itself, again, Jeffrey Goldberg had said, that's
a complete lie. This was one hundred percent a war plan,
to the point where I recognized it and knew I
shouldn't publish it.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
We heard from Secretary heg set They were saying that
nobody was texting war plans, given you were privated this
group chat, is that how you saw it?
Speaker 5 (08:45):
No, that's a lie. He was texting war plans. He
was texting attack plans when targets were going to be targeted,
how they were going to be targeted, who was at
the targets, when the next sequence of attacks for happening.
I didn't publish this, and I continue not to publish
it because it felt like it was too confidential.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
In fact, there were certain things the other things that
Jeffrey Goldberg did not put in his Atlantic piece, some names,
for example, of what he believed were active CIA intelligence agents,
So he had at least the wherewithal the smarts to
not include some of that stuff.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yes, I mean, you can frame it however you want
to frame it. You can say these weren't war plans specifically.
If they were war plans, they would be official war plans,
and they would be done this way, and they would
go through Congress. And you can absolutely make that argument
and be considered not lying. But you can also make
the argument that justin PTE. Hagseth's communicate alone, you're absolutely
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planning for war action.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Well, and it was whatever it was, war plan, not
war plan, kind of war plan. It was specific enough
that Jeffrey Goldberg knew when this was going to happen.
So if nothing else, even if they didn't get into
the details of the actual bombs that they were going
to use, or where these assets were going to be
coming from, et cetera. He knew the timing of it,
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which is also an important aspect when it comes to
the intelligence to keep classified.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
He knew enough to.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Sit in a grocery store parking lot and look at
Twitter a few minutes after this thing was scheduled to
begin and realize that bombs had started falling throughout Yemen.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
I guess I should understand that in twenty twenty five
we communicate via text, and why I should expect something
more at this level, I don't know. But it's very
odd to see this conversation in text form in an app. Yeah,
like you and I texting balls jokes. They're talking about
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green lighting war plans, so it be attacked like it's
odd to.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Me the way it was described in that hearing today
in the Senate. Specifically, it was Michael Ratcliffe, the director
of the CIA, who talked about the use of this
specific app and apps like it that are otherwise encrypted.
It's not iPhone messaging, it's not you know, back and
forth with the green bubbles, but he said that it's
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very common for people in government, even in intelligence agencies,
to use this app, but they use it to kind
of direct people to other aspects of information. For example,
he said that they would use the Signal app maybe
to set up meetings or use the Signal app to
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give people a heads up, Hey, I've got a classified
document that's headed your way. In the regular classified document
email system that we use that this kind of information,
even if it's low level or or not granular level
warp plans, that's not the kind of stuff that they
would normally share on that kind of an app.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Pete hag Seth, by the way, make some good points
I mean, hate him, love him whatever. In this communicay
he talks about Pete haig Seth says VP obviously Vice president.
I understand your concerns, fully support you're raising this with
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potus important considerations, much of which are tough to know
how they play out parentheses, economy, Ukraine, piece, gods, et cetera.
I think messaging is going to be tough no matter what.
Nobody knows who the who the these are, which is
why we need to stay focused on number one Biden
failed and number two Ron funded waiting a few weeks
or a month does not fundamentally change the calculus. Two
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immediate risks on waiting. Number one, this leaks and we
look indecisive. Number two, Israel takes action first or Godza
cease fire falls apart and we don't get to start
this on our own terms. We can manage both were
prepared to execute. I mean, I'm more confident in Pete
Haigesath upon reading this than I have been. Well, he's
making great point logical points of how they should move
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forward with this.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
And like you said, I mean the idea that jd
Vance for example, Again, the way that Jeffrey Goldberg wrote
this was he was still doubting whether this was even real,
so he would say stuff like the account that was
labeled jd Vance.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
He didn't say. The vice president then text, well.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Jd Vance comes across as a dip ass. Again, I
mean I thought he came across as a dipss in
that Oval Office meeting. And again I haven't always thought
that way about jd Vance. My thinking has evolved. He
came across as a child in that Oval office meeting
with Zelenski.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Have you even said thank you?
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I mean, come on, you sound like a kid on
the playground, and he comes across similarly in this text chain.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Well, but what I I don't disagree with that necessarily,
but you've got to have somebody in the group that's
going to say no, or at least raise their hand
and go, wait a minute, we should we.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Need to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
We need to ask the questions of if we bomb
Yemen into last Tuesday, then we need to make sure
that we know our European allies are going to are
gonna have some reaction to this, the oil markets are
going to have some reaction to this, like have that
open discussion before you simply pull the trigger on something
like that. And I don't I don't mind that kind
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if somebody in the room is going to do it.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
If you put it that way, that's one thing. But
jd Vance puts it in here, I just hate bailing
out Europe again again sounding like a child.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Well, and then Pete Hexeth, Yeah, he says.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
I share your loathing of European free loading. It's pathetic.
But and then he goes on to be the adult
in the chat.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Frankly, again, it was crazy that Jeffrey Gold they use.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
They're using emojis, you guys like it's it's troubling, it's
I do not want to see text chains of the
major players in intelligence and defense now setting each other
emojis like fire American flag, happy face.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
No, and a fist. Good lord listen. And the White
House has confirmed this is legit. Those are the people
that they say they were. They all admitted they.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Did learn their lessons.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Tulci Gabbert today didn't specifically say she was involved with
the chat, but the director of the CIA was like, yeah,
I'm Michael Ratliffe, A Ratcliffe, the guy who's in this
text chain.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
So the White House has said it was true.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
But like you said, President Trump, if Michael Wallace was
the guy who originated this text chain and put the
group together, he was the one responsible. And President Trump
just basically said he's learned his lesson.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
He's a good guy.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
What a fun exercise to go through. Though, If you're
Jeffrey Goldberg, you're privy to this, You've got this on
your phone, you've got this whole thing. Do you use
it as leverage in the future, or do you play
your hand now? Obviously he played his hand now, and
I think that that will I think that was the
correct play with this crew. Interesting but a fun exercise
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to go through if you are privy to that information.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
And guys, guys, before you put the text chain together,
make sure you know who everybody's number is.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Well, that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Sometimes I'm in a group text with a couple of
my girlfriends and we've got like three group texts and
one of them involves husbands and one of them does not,
And sometimes we think we're talking on the one that
does not involve the husbands, and we.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Say like awful things like about the husband.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
No, no, no, no no, things like no, it took
me four hours to shave my legs.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Who I'm so fat today?
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Like stuff like that, and then we're like, oops, rum chain,
Like I.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Want to be part of that text chain, though, do
you really funny?
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Oh, I'll add to you. We'll see how long you last.
All right, Canadians are now pissed off of the US.
They don't want to come here for vacation. Even Gary
and Shannon will continue.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
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Speaker 1 (17:12):
Getting some heat on the whole. The texting of the
warplans is odd. I don't like to see it in text.
Whatever I said, had somebody call in saying that it's illegal.
Oh my god, something that is going on in Washington
between the powers that b is illegal.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
New stop it. Of course it's illegal.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Of course, using apps that are not encrypted and don't
protect government information is illegal. Of Course, it was probably
illegal when Hillary Clinton used her BlackBerry.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Okay, do you want to go down this road. I'll
go down this road.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
The rules back then with the State Department were very
lax when it came to personal email. The rules didn't
keep up with the technology. But the idea that this
is the first illegal communicate on an app that government
officials have been caught in or engaged in, is freaking
Pollyanna crap.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Well, and here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Come on, if you and I talk about the content, the.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Content stupid enough to put it in a text conversation
is what I'm saying that That's what I'm saying is that, yes,
I understand the conversations happened. This conversation happens. It should
be happening in person, not over text, and not over
tax That's my point.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
And you and I again, we can spend an entire
twenty minutes talking about how stupid this was, how Michael
Walls could easily lose his job for being So, what's the.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Word I'm looking for? Careless? Careless? Thank you, that's you say,
that's what careless? Hillary Clinton? Okay to include a.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Journalist as part of this text Chaine, Yes, that's ridiculous
and idiocy. Then if you talk about the content of
the messages and you go, ah, I like to see
that someone raises their hand and says, hey, let's pump
the brakes on this, or I like to see PTGX
say something smart about the then it becomes somehow we're
whitewashing the idiocy that brought us the information in the
first place.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
And that's not what we're doing now.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
I'm just finding things that are more interesting than they
got caught using this so called encrypted app to talk
about war plans, asked and answered that was news, like
you said, we broke yesterday on this show. Now we're
hearing the substance of the text chain, and that stuff's
more interesting to me than sitting there.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
And crying on to the top of my mountain and saying,
oh my god, you're horrible, illgal.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
But what can we learn from the communication from the
powers that be, from the people that are making intelligence decisions.
How about that's interesting. Yes it was wrong, Yes it
was illegal.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
All of that. This is nothing new for Washington. You
know what is new. The weather was warm yesterday. Woodland
Hills said it you trying to put lips to gone up?
Trying to put beef tallow on my face? Did you
put it on this? I did not put it on
this morning. I can tell, can't you. I didn't. I
look pretty scraggly.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
The importance of a skincare routine. Oh dear, it's consistency.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Honey pants.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
My wife asked me why I wasn't going to put
it on last night? Yeah, did you watch your face?
You put on beef tallow And I said, no, I'm
it's not like a beef towel all over my pillow,
in my NEETs, and.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Your face absorbs it, especially when it's that dehydrated.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Woodland Hills had a record it's ninety five degrees yesterday.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
That was being joke. Your skin does not look dehydrated.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Balm Dale hit eighty four degrees that tied the record.
Pass Robles hit a record of eighty six degrees.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
It wasn't about the milk. Apparently not. I was about
the beef tallow.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
But you should put it on in the evening and
in the morning if you want it to work, if
you want, there's a reason you have it. If you
only use it intermittently, you're not going to see the
results that you want to see. All right, we'll talk
about the Canadians.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
I want to see. Yeah, I want.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Sometimes you don't know what you want until we tell you. Yes,
you want to talk Canadians or mushroom. Okay, we'll boot
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Speaker 2 (21:36):
Gary and Channon will continue.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
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Speaker 3 (21:46):
Yeah, we teased it. Davids coming up at the bottom
of the hour. I mean, we'll see, but that's what
we have planned right now, David Dodgers, reporter and clubhouse favorite,
we'll be here to talk about what.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
He's not coming in. Oh I just saw his phone
number on here. Oh if that guy doesn't Keana is
to be here or is he on the phone. He's
on the phone.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
He's on the phone, literally phoning it in big time
in it.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Okay, that's fine, that's fine.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
I have a.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Serious I have an alternate slate of questions that I
would like to ask him.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Then if he can't even he can't even make his
way in what I.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
What I'm gonna text Petres and money, You're gonna get
him in trouble.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
The developing story that we just found out this hour
is that negotiators for the USA there are now agreements
with Ukraine and Russia to ensure safe navigation in the
Black Sea and to implement a ban on strikes against
energy facilities in those two countries. That is a that
is a good step, although not complete step, towards a
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ceasefire between the two. So Canada doesn't like us very
much right now because they think that our president wants
to own them, which he has said multiple times he
does well Canadians think the way to pay back that
is to not be so nice sorry by not coming
to the United States. The New York Times actually looked
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at the numbers and said about four million Canadians visited
New York State in twenty twenty three. That would be
the most recent data available, and Canadians spent, specifically in
New York State one point seven billion.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Dollars just in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
School groups have called off end of semester trips, so
have busloads of retirees, newlyweds planning honeymoon's friend celebrating birthdays
of family from Quebec that planned to visit twice this year.
Apparently Justin Trudeau said something to the effect of don't
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go to America for vacation. I had missed that completely.
I'm also not part of the Justin Trudeau newsletter.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
A boycott by the top international visitor. That's Canadians, so
the most common visitor to the United States. They said,
we'll upend local economies throughout the United States. Canadians make
about twenty million visits to the United States every year,
and even just a ten percent reduction in that could
mean about two billion in lost spending and fourteen thousand
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job losses around the country.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Okay, so you said ten percent. Let's look at the
numbers as they are right now. Last month compared with
the same period last year, the number of Canadians flying
into three airports in and around New York fell eleven percent.
A vehicle traffic over the four international bridges there that
spanned the Niagara River near Buffalo fell fourteen percent compared
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with the previous year. Traffic on one thousand Islands Bridge
dropped night nineteen percent last month. Again, though it's February,
but if you're just looking at February between this year
and last year, that's a significant decline.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
And back to Justin Trudeau, this was his line.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
He explicitly urged Canadians to reconsider international trips to America.
He said, now is the time to choose Canada, which
is not unlike something you would hear from President Trump America. First, right,
I'm sure America, this administration would much rather us spend
our travel dollars here in this country as opposed to
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going to Canada, for instance, or anywhere else.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
But that's a pretty big difference there.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Eleven fourteen, nineteen percent from just the same month last year.
They said that in recent weeks, Canadians have been noticeably
absent from the Ontario bar Brooklyn Dive, devoted to all
things Canada. The Bat Blue, which is my favorite beer
of all time. Blue is on draft. Moosehead Canadian Logger
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is available in bottles. They've got some rye whiskeys behind
the bar, but the mood inside has been dour somber.
He said that they always ask for ketchup chips or
comment on the Canadian beers, and there's less of.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
That that I think you're going to see. The specific
or those geographic areas, the ones that are closest to
the border, the ones obviously going to be the most impacted.
Whitefish Montana is sixty miles away from the border of BC.
Spending by Canadians was down fourteen percent in January compared
to a year ago.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
See I heard people I had heard in two different
places right before I went to Mexico Port of Iarta
last month, or around that time. Whenever I went recently,
two people in two different locations were like, oh, well,
Mexico's really challenging right now because of the tariff situation
and this administration and they're not looking kindly on Americans.
There's no change whatsoever for me and my trip to
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Port of Iarta.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Other thing that that I think a lot of people
assume is that as much noise is made by the
guy who's in the White House or the guy who's
in the head of Canadian government, they make a lot
of noise, But in general, your trip to Whistler is
not going to be impacted.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
You think about who you're engaging with when you travel.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
The service industry, Yeah, I mean, and they know that
you're there to vacation. They know why you're there. You're
there to spend money and keep them employed.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Exactly, So they're happy to see you. They're very happy
to see you.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Still in Mexico and Canada all right, coming well, I
don't know about Canada. I remember going to Canada as
a child and being I felt they were very rude
in Quebec because of the French.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
It's the French. It just comes across very terse. Interesting
when you're a dumb American kid. You didn't see it
as the language of love.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
No. No, I saw people looking at me like you
dumb American kid.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
That hurts, doesn't it? All right up.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Next, why malls around southern California look like nobody lives
there because nobody lives there.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
I'll just everywhere on the iHeartRadio that as.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
You get older, you learn to appreciate the very things
that she is pooh poohing at this stage.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Differences.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Differences, Differences are great and also nice and smart goes
much further than a spark right away.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Than a hat.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
I mean, you need a spark, but not like you
don't need you know, he doesn't need to be you know, well,
I won't paint that picture.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Speaking of sparks.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
The Senate right now is one of the committees is
going after some of our intelligence leaders. Director of National
Intelligence is up there, Telsea Gabbard, the head of the CIA,
Cash Betel, the director of the The.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Lighting, the lighting is not going away.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
It's the apprentice lighting from the reality show of twenty Years.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
This is Michael Bennett, Senator from Colorado.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Sloppiness, this incompetence, this disrespect for our intelligence agencies and
the personnel who work for him is entirely on amable.
It's an embarrassment. Seive, Senator, you need to do better.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
You're talking about the intelligence meeting. I was talking about
the Oh that's still the Capitol.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Why does the lighting look dimmer there too? A different channel.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
But anyway, I wonder if the lighting from yesterday at
the White House is going to continue.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
That's what I thought I was looking at.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
But yes, the fact that this is so political, right
like had it been the Democrats that had been talking
on Signal the app or whatever their own private emails,
same damn thing. It's just maddening the how hypocritical everything
is in Washington.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
So you broke this at least on our show yesterday,
we talked about this where it turns out that a reporter,
actually the editor in chief now for the Atlantic magazine,
Jeffrey Goldberg, was included in a text chain of the
highest level cabinet members that exist, basically Secretary of Defense,
(02:15):
Secretary of State, Vice President of the United States, the
director of the CIA, the Director of National Intelligence, and
all of them discussing our upcoming actions against Hohothi's in Yemen.
And when Jeffrey Goldberg I read through this whole piece
that he put in the Atlantic yesterday explaining it. When
Jeffrey Goldberg got a notification that he had been involved
(02:38):
in the houthy PC small group. He immediately thought, this
has got to be fake. Not only is it fake,
it's probably a trap. He thought it was going to
be one of those finger quotes journalist groups that goes
out and tries to catch reporters and prove that they're
(03:01):
left leaning tools or something like that. So he did
nothing as part of this group. He didn't respond, he
didn't add any input. He didn't go, hey, guys, it's
Jeffrey Goldberg from The Atlantic. You probably don't want me
in here. He didn't do anything because he thought it
was fake.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Eric Leonard was the first reporter that I remember before
even apps were a thing, at least not a thing
like they are now.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Who used this.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I believe it was Signal and the very infancy as
a way to communicate with sources in LA and.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Elsewhere, because it's end to end ENCRYPTID, right, so it
would be harder for someone to tap into and find
your secrets.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Exactly, So it wouldn't be out of the realm of
possibility that a trusted reporter would be on your signal
contact lists or whatever the hell it is.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I don't know I've never used it.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
I have no sources, but you know what I mean, Like,
it wouldn't be out of the realm that he would
be added to the group chat if he was in
contact with these people off the record, on the record.
Wink wink, it's not It's not like it's not like
Joe Blow in Peoria is getting the war plans. It's
people that are probably trusted with high level information anyway
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in this group, like Jeffrey Goldberg. And yes, he should
not have been included, and should war plans be talked
about on an app These are all discussions to have.
But it's not like some massive breach of information got
into the wrong hands. It's not like China was made
privy to this.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
So and I told you that that when when he
first was realized that he'd been included in this chat,
he thought it was fake. And then he thought, oh,
maybe I was included on this by one of either
one of these high level cabinet members or one of
their you know, direct underlings who would have set up
(04:55):
the meeting because they wanted to leak the information to
the guy he who would write it up in the
in the Atlantic magazine. Now he still hadn't come to
any conclusion about exactly what it was, and the information
back and forth was pretty interesting, just in terms of
the difference of opinion between say, the Vice President and
(05:17):
the Secretary of Defense when it came to the actual
attack that was supposed to take place on the hoo
Thi's in Yemen because of their attacks on maritime and military.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Assets, and that to me is a fascinating part of
the story. And we'll get into that coming up next
because that is interesting how they communicate with each other
when it comes down to things like this. The President,
by the way, did tell NBC News today that National
Security Advisor Mike Waltz has learned a lesson.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yeah, he's supposedly the guy that set the whole thing up,
invited the members to the group, and it would have
been Michael Waltz who had Jeffrey Goldberg's number or contact
information and somehow in included him in the text chain
to begin with. So, like I said, Tulsi Gabbard, Michael Ratcliffe,
(06:08):
Director CIA Cash Bettel from FBI, the Defense Intelligence Agency,
they were all talking before a Senate committee this morning,
and this was one of the main topics. So we'll
play some of that and what Pete Hegseeth says about
what happened. He made some comments today about Jeffrey Goldberg
(06:31):
basically calling him a flat out liar about what was
in Well.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
I don't look to Pete hag Seth as the bastion.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
But he's the Secretary of Defense. He should be.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
He should be, but he's not. Did you expect him
to be? Come on, but the pearl clutching on Capitol
Hill is rich.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Well, just say that Gary and Shannon will continue.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
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Speaker 3 (06:59):
As Amy just mentioned getting word out of Washington that
there are now separate agreements between Ukraine and the United
States and Russia and the United States to ensure safe
navigation in the Black Sea, to try to implement a
ban against strikes against energy facilities in those two countries.
White House said in a statement today that Washington's going
(07:20):
to try to help restore Russia's access to the world
market for agriculture and fertilizer exports and will continue facilitating
talks on both sides as they try to come somewhere
something a little bit closer, perhaps to some sort of
ceasefire in that area. We've been following the story top
(07:40):
national security officials, including the Defense Secretary. We're texting war
plans for upcoming military strikes in Yemen to a group
chat in what is otherwise a secure messaging app that
includes editor in chief of the Atlantic. Unfortunately for them,
Jeffrey Goldberg wrote a huge piece in what was going
On sorry, in the Atlantic magazine about what was going
(08:02):
on on this text chain, and the Secretary of Defense
Pete Hegseth had said that this, in fact was not
a war plan. He said so on the tarmac after
he got off an airplane earlier today and then sorry,
it was yesterday that he said that. At the writer
(08:26):
for the piece itself, again, Jeffrey Goldberg had said, that's
a complete lie. This was one hundred percent a war plan,
to the point where I recognized it and knew I
shouldn't publish it.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
We heard from Secretary heg set They were saying that
nobody was texting war plans, given you were privated this
group chat, is that how you saw it?
Speaker 5 (08:45):
No, that's a lie. He was texting war plans. He
was texting attack plans when targets were going to be targeted,
how they were going to be targeted, who was at
the targets, when the next sequence of attacks for happening.
I didn't publish this, and I continue not to publish
it because it felt like it was too confidential.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
In fact, there were certain things the other things that
Jeffrey Goldberg did not put in his Atlantic piece, some names,
for example, of what he believed were active CIA intelligence agents,
So he had at least the wherewithal the smarts to
not include some of that stuff.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yes, I mean, you can frame it however you want
to frame it. You can say these weren't war plans specifically.
If they were war plans, they would be official war plans,
and they would be done this way, and they would
go through Congress. And you can absolutely make that argument
and be considered not lying. But you can also make
the argument that justin PTE. Hagseth's communicate alone, you're absolutely
(09:51):
planning for war action.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Well, and it was whatever it was, war plan, not
war plan, kind of war plan. It was specific enough
that Jeffrey Goldberg knew when this was going to happen.
So if nothing else, even if they didn't get into
the details of the actual bombs that they were going
to use, or where these assets were going to be
coming from, et cetera. He knew the timing of it,
(10:13):
which is also an important aspect when it comes to
the intelligence to keep classified.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
He knew enough to.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Sit in a grocery store parking lot and look at
Twitter a few minutes after this thing was scheduled to
begin and realize that bombs had started falling throughout Yemen.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
I guess I should understand that in twenty twenty five
we communicate via text, and why I should expect something
more at this level, I don't know. But it's very
odd to see this conversation in text form in an app. Yeah,
like you and I texting balls jokes. They're talking about
(10:52):
green lighting war plans, so it be attacked like it's
odd to.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Me the way it was described in that hearing today
in the Senate. Specifically, it was Michael Ratcliffe, the director
of the CIA, who talked about the use of this
specific app and apps like it that are otherwise encrypted.
It's not iPhone messaging, it's not you know, back and
forth with the green bubbles, but he said that it's
(11:19):
very common for people in government, even in intelligence agencies,
to use this app, but they use it to kind
of direct people to other aspects of information. For example,
he said that they would use the Signal app maybe
to set up meetings or use the Signal app to
(11:42):
give people a heads up, Hey, I've got a classified
document that's headed your way. In the regular classified document
email system that we use that this kind of information,
even if it's low level or or not granular level
warp plans, that's not the kind of stuff that they
would normally share on that kind of an app.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Pete hag Seth, by the way, make some good points
I mean, hate him, love him whatever. In this communicay
he talks about Pete haig Seth says VP obviously Vice president.
I understand your concerns, fully support you're raising this with
(12:27):
potus important considerations, much of which are tough to know
how they play out parentheses, economy, Ukraine, piece, gods, et cetera.
I think messaging is going to be tough no matter what.
Nobody knows who the who the these are, which is
why we need to stay focused on number one Biden
failed and number two Ron funded waiting a few weeks
or a month does not fundamentally change the calculus. Two
(12:48):
immediate risks on waiting. Number one, this leaks and we
look indecisive. Number two, Israel takes action first or Godza
cease fire falls apart and we don't get to start
this on our own terms. We can manage both were
prepared to execute. I mean, I'm more confident in Pete
Haigesath upon reading this than I have been. Well, he's
making great point logical points of how they should move
(13:10):
forward with this.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
And like you said, I mean the idea that jd
Vance for example, Again, the way that Jeffrey Goldberg wrote
this was he was still doubting whether this was even real,
so he would say stuff like the account that was
labeled jd Vance.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
He didn't say. The vice president then text, well.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Jd Vance comes across as a dip ass. Again, I
mean I thought he came across as a dipss in
that Oval Office meeting. And again I haven't always thought
that way about jd Vance. My thinking has evolved. He
came across as a child in that Oval office meeting
with Zelenski.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Have you even said thank you?
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I mean, come on, you sound like a kid on
the playground, and he comes across similarly in this text chain.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Well, but what I I don't disagree with that necessarily,
but you've got to have somebody in the group that's
going to say no, or at least raise their hand
and go, wait a minute, we should we.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Need to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
We need to ask the questions of if we bomb
Yemen into last Tuesday, then we need to make sure
that we know our European allies are going to are
gonna have some reaction to this, the oil markets are
going to have some reaction to this, like have that
open discussion before you simply pull the trigger on something
like that. And I don't I don't mind that kind
(14:28):
if somebody in the room is going to do it.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
If you put it that way, that's one thing. But
jd Vance puts it in here, I just hate bailing
out Europe again again sounding like a child.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Well, and then Pete Hexeth, Yeah, he says.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
I share your loathing of European free loading. It's pathetic.
But and then he goes on to be the adult
in the chat.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Frankly, again, it was crazy that Jeffrey Gold they use.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
They're using emojis, you guys like it's it's troubling, it's
I do not want to see text chains of the
major players in intelligence and defense now setting each other
emojis like fire American flag, happy face.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
No, and a fist. Good lord listen. And the White
House has confirmed this is legit. Those are the people
that they say they were. They all admitted they.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Did learn their lessons.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Tulci Gabbert today didn't specifically say she was involved with
the chat, but the director of the CIA was like, yeah,
I'm Michael Ratliffe, A Ratcliffe, the guy who's in this
text chain.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
So the White House has said it was true.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
But like you said, President Trump, if Michael Wallace was
the guy who originated this text chain and put the
group together, he was the one responsible. And President Trump
just basically said he's learned his lesson.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
He's a good guy.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
What a fun exercise to go through. Though, If you're
Jeffrey Goldberg, you're privy to this, You've got this on
your phone, you've got this whole thing. Do you use
it as leverage in the future, or do you play
your hand now? Obviously he played his hand now, and
I think that that will I think that was the
correct play with this crew. Interesting but a fun exercise
(16:10):
to go through if you are privy to that information.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
And guys, guys, before you put the text chain together,
make sure you know who everybody's number is.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Well, that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Sometimes I'm in a group text with a couple of
my girlfriends and we've got like three group texts and
one of them involves husbands and one of them does not,
And sometimes we think we're talking on the one that
does not involve the husbands, and we.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Say like awful things like about the husband.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
No, no, no, no no, things like no, it took
me four hours to shave my legs.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Who I'm so fat today?
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Like stuff like that, and then we're like, oops, rum chain,
Like I.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Want to be part of that text chain, though, do
you really funny?
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Oh, I'll add to you. We'll see how long you last.
All right, Canadians are now pissed off of the US.
They don't want to come here for vacation. Even Gary
and Shannon will continue.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Getting some heat on the whole. The texting of the
warplans is odd. I don't like to see it in text.
Whatever I said, had somebody call in saying that it's illegal.
Oh my god, something that is going on in Washington
between the powers that b is illegal.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
New stop it. Of course it's illegal.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Of course, using apps that are not encrypted and don't
protect government information is illegal. Of Course, it was probably
illegal when Hillary Clinton used her BlackBerry.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Okay, do you want to go down this road. I'll
go down this road.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
The rules back then with the State Department were very
lax when it came to personal email. The rules didn't
keep up with the technology. But the idea that this
is the first illegal communicate on an app that government
officials have been caught in or engaged in, is freaking
Pollyanna crap.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Well, and here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Come on, if you and I talk about the content, the.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Content stupid enough to put it in a text conversation
is what I'm saying that That's what I'm saying is that, yes,
I understand the conversations happened. This conversation happens. It should
be happening in person, not over text, and not over
tax That's my point.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
And you and I again, we can spend an entire
twenty minutes talking about how stupid this was, how Michael
Walls could easily lose his job for being So, what's the.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Word I'm looking for? Careless? Careless? Thank you, that's you say,
that's what careless? Hillary Clinton? Okay to include a.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Journalist as part of this text Chaine, Yes, that's ridiculous
and idiocy. Then if you talk about the content of
the messages and you go, ah, I like to see
that someone raises their hand and says, hey, let's pump
the brakes on this, or I like to see PTGX
say something smart about the then it becomes somehow we're
whitewashing the idiocy that brought us the information in the
first place.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
And that's not what we're doing now.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
I'm just finding things that are more interesting than they
got caught using this so called encrypted app to talk
about war plans, asked and answered that was news, like
you said, we broke yesterday on this show. Now we're
hearing the substance of the text chain, and that stuff's
more interesting to me than sitting there.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
And crying on to the top of my mountain and saying,
oh my god, you're horrible, illgal.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
But what can we learn from the communication from the
powers that be, from the people that are making intelligence decisions.
How about that's interesting. Yes it was wrong, Yes it
was illegal.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
All of that. This is nothing new for Washington. You
know what is new. The weather was warm yesterday. Woodland
Hills said it you trying to put lips to gone up?
Trying to put beef tallow on my face? Did you
put it on this? I did not put it on
this morning. I can tell, can't you. I didn't. I
look pretty scraggly.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
The importance of a skincare routine. Oh dear, it's consistency.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Honey pants.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
My wife asked me why I wasn't going to put
it on last night? Yeah, did you watch your face?
You put on beef tallow And I said, no, I'm
it's not like a beef towel all over my pillow,
in my NEETs, and.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Your face absorbs it, especially when it's that dehydrated.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Woodland Hills had a record it's ninety five degrees yesterday.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
That was being joke. Your skin does not look dehydrated.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Balm Dale hit eighty four degrees that tied the record.
Pass Robles hit a record of eighty six degrees.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
It wasn't about the milk. Apparently not. I was about
the beef tallow.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
But you should put it on in the evening and
in the morning if you want it to work, if
you want, there's a reason you have it. If you
only use it intermittently, you're not going to see the
results that you want to see. All right, we'll talk
about the Canadians.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
I want to see. Yeah, I want.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Sometimes you don't know what you want until we tell you. Yes,
you want to talk Canadians or mushroom. Okay, we'll boot
mushrooms for the next hour. Story you thought you thought
that Denver was all about weed and dispensaries on every corner.
(21:21):
While what's weed is always the gateway drug. Right when
we're in high school, it was weed first and then
usually what followed weed, at least in the nineties was
the shrooms was the next level. And so that's what
that's the step they're taking, and we'll talk about it
in the next hour.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Gary and Channon will continue.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
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AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Yeah, we teased it. Davids coming up at the bottom
of the hour. I mean, we'll see, but that's what
we have planned right now, David Dodgers, reporter and clubhouse favorite,
we'll be here to talk about what.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
He's not coming in. Oh I just saw his phone
number on here. Oh if that guy doesn't Keana is
to be here or is he on the phone. He's
on the phone.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
He's on the phone, literally phoning it in big time
in it.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Okay, that's fine, that's fine.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
I have a.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Serious I have an alternate slate of questions that I
would like to ask him.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Then if he can't even he can't even make his
way in what I.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
What I'm gonna text Petres and money, You're gonna get
him in trouble.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
The developing story that we just found out this hour
is that negotiators for the USA there are now agreements
with Ukraine and Russia to ensure safe navigation in the
Black Sea and to implement a ban on strikes against
energy facilities in those two countries. That is a that
is a good step, although not complete step, towards a
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ceasefire between the two. So Canada doesn't like us very
much right now because they think that our president wants
to own them, which he has said multiple times he
does well Canadians think the way to pay back that
is to not be so nice sorry by not coming
to the United States. The New York Times actually looked
(23:20):
at the numbers and said about four million Canadians visited
New York State in twenty twenty three. That would be
the most recent data available, and Canadians spent, specifically in
New York State one point seven billion.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Dollars just in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
School groups have called off end of semester trips, so
have busloads of retirees, newlyweds planning honeymoon's friend celebrating birthdays
of family from Quebec that planned to visit twice this year.
Apparently Justin Trudeau said something to the effect of don't
(24:00):
go to America for vacation. I had missed that completely.
I'm also not part of the Justin Trudeau newsletter.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
A boycott by the top international visitor. That's Canadians, so
the most common visitor to the United States. They said,
we'll upend local economies throughout the United States. Canadians make
about twenty million visits to the United States every year,
and even just a ten percent reduction in that could
mean about two billion in lost spending and fourteen thousand
(24:32):
job losses around the country.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Okay, so you said ten percent. Let's look at the
numbers as they are right now. Last month compared with
the same period last year, the number of Canadians flying
into three airports in and around New York fell eleven percent.
A vehicle traffic over the four international bridges there that
spanned the Niagara River near Buffalo fell fourteen percent compared
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with the previous year. Traffic on one thousand Islands Bridge
dropped night nineteen percent last month. Again, though it's February,
but if you're just looking at February between this year
and last year, that's a significant decline.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
And back to Justin Trudeau, this was his line.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
He explicitly urged Canadians to reconsider international trips to America.
He said, now is the time to choose Canada, which
is not unlike something you would hear from President Trump America. First, right,
I'm sure America, this administration would much rather us spend
our travel dollars here in this country as opposed to
(25:33):
going to Canada, for instance, or anywhere else.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
But that's a pretty big difference there.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Eleven fourteen, nineteen percent from just the same month last year.
They said that in recent weeks, Canadians have been noticeably
absent from the Ontario bar Brooklyn Dive, devoted to all
things Canada. The Bat Blue, which is my favorite beer
of all time. Blue is on draft. Moosehead Canadian Logger
(26:03):
is available in bottles. They've got some rye whiskeys behind
the bar, but the mood inside has been dour somber.
He said that they always ask for ketchup chips or
comment on the Canadian beers, and there's less of.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
That that I think you're going to see. The specific
or those geographic areas, the ones that are closest to
the border, the ones obviously going to be the most impacted.
Whitefish Montana is sixty miles away from the border of BC.
Spending by Canadians was down fourteen percent in January compared
to a year ago.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
See I heard people I had heard in two different
places right before I went to Mexico Port of Iarta
last month, or around that time. Whenever I went recently,
two people in two different locations were like, oh, well,
Mexico's really challenging right now because of the tariff situation
and this administration and they're not looking kindly on Americans.
There's no change whatsoever for me and my trip to
(26:59):
Port of Iarta.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Other thing that that I think a lot of people
assume is that as much noise is made by the
guy who's in the White House or the guy who's
in the head of Canadian government, they make a lot
of noise, But in general, your trip to Whistler is
not going to be impacted.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
You think about who you're engaging with when you travel.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
The service industry, Yeah, I mean, and they know that
you're there to vacation. They know why you're there. You're
there to spend money and keep them employed.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Exactly, So they're happy to see you. They're very happy
to see you.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Still in Mexico and Canada all right, coming well, I
don't know about Canada. I remember going to Canada as
a child and being I felt they were very rude
in Quebec because of the French.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
It's the French. It just comes across very terse. Interesting
when you're a dumb American kid. You didn't see it
as the language of love.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
No. No, I saw people looking at me like you
dumb American kid.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
That hurts, doesn't it? All right up.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Next, why malls around southern California look like nobody lives
there because nobody lives there.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Next on Gary and Shannon, you've been listening to The
Gary and Shannon Show.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
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