July 10, 2025 • 34 mins
#SWAMPWATCH – Trump to Impose 50% Brazil Tariff, Citing Bolsonaro Trial. A new Scott Peterson mystery: Why is the Innocence Project trying to set him free?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app. We have a story about how
all those short videos we love are cooking our brains,
you know. And I thought I was doing well when
I fell into the whole of TikTok or Instagram reels
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of I'm only wasting a small amount of time watching
these videos eight seconds or so, bite sized wasting of time. Well,
it's wreaking havoc on your tension span in your mind,
and it is showing its face in other areas of
your life. So we'll talk about that, the danger of
those baby videos, which we thought were so innocuous. Eleven
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o'clock is when we talk swamp watch, and before we
do a couple things for Deborah Mark while I have her, Deborah,
I texted you yesterday. I saw on Netflix there was
a show that was being advertised to me.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I think it was number two.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
On the Netflix most watched, you know whatever shows of
that day. It's called Sullivan's Crossing, and it looked like
something that you and I would enjoy. I'll of Virgin River,
softly lit, feel good, small Town familial drama, a love connection,
and I started watching it and man hook line and
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sinkered with bra.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Oh, I'm so excited because you know, I'm in a
drought right now. I am watching Ginny and Georgia.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Yeah you recommended. Yeah, it's different, it's different. It's so good.
I didn't love it.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
It doesn't give you the same feel good vibe that
virgin soft lighting do. And so I sent you a
text yesterday, I'm just starting this show that we may like,
and so I got I think I got two episodes in.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
It's so good, like I can't wait to continue it.
I'm gonna watch it tonight. Yeah, you're gonna love it.
I'm so excited. I know.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
I was so excited to tell you. And then also, uh,
you texted this morning that you thought we had an earthquake.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
I can't find it though I've looked everywhere. My house
shook and my dogs freaked out and they came running
to me.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Could it have been construction or something? Maybe? Maybe?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I don't know, but it really did feel like an earthquake,
and it was really quick, and I spent so much
time going through all the you know, the different places
on social media that I look for earthquake information.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
So apparently maybe you're right.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
It was in some construction something rather, but it scared the.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
You know what out of us. Well you're okay now,
I'm okay now. But we do have Lucy Jones's cell
phone number. Really, oh god, she would hate me.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
You could just shoot her a text every time this happens, like, hey,
it's me, Deborah.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Was that a thing? Hey, Louis.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
She would block me so fast she would think I
was a psycho.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
No, yeah, all right, we'll get into Washington.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Now.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
I'm a politician, which means I'm a cheat and a liar.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
And when I'm not kissing babies, I'm stealing that.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Here we got the real problem is that our leaders
are done.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
The other side never quits. I'm not going anywhere.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
So that is how you train the squad.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I can imagine what can be and be unburdened by
what has been.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
You know, Americans have always been going at They're not stupid.
A political plunder is what a politician actually tells the.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Truth, whether people voted for you when not. Swamp watch
they're all count on federal judge in New Hampshire.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Is I'm not going to spend a lot of time
on this hard swamp watch news because well I'm having
a good time and it's going to rowin up. A
federal judge in New Hampshire has issued a nationwide block today.
This is on Trump's attempt to end birthright citizenship just weeks,
I believe, after the Supreme Court lifted several similar orders
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defining them as too broad. This is a district judge
I believe, appointed by George W and pose the new
injunction today. This was a hearing where he allowed a
Penning lawsuit to proceed as a class action. This is
a pathway that justices have said remains plausible after their
ruling back the Supreme Court justices after their ruling that
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curtailed judge is power to block the government from enforcing
a policy altogether. That if you take it as a
class action and the rules change a little bit. But
this judge ruled that class petitioners likely to suffer reparable
harm if the order is not granted. The people that
have a problem with birthright citizenship being retroactively wiped out.
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That's going to hurt the people petitioning more so than
the harm to respondence. If the order is granted, the
people that want to do away with it would not
be hurt the way the people that don't want to
do away with it would be. While this plays out,
So this ruling is on hold for seven days to
allow the Trump administration to respond. What they'll do is
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they'll file an emergency appeal, probably to the First Court
Circuit Court of Appeals there. So that is the housekeeping
on birthright citizenship to Brazil we go. This was the
headline early this morning when the President threatened Brazil with
what many are calling a crippling tariff of fifty percent.
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This would start August first. This is one of those
letters that he has been sending. He alleged that the
Brazilian president is undertaking a witch hunt that should end immediately.
And this is overcharges against their former right wing president,
who was a Trump guy.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
They are their buddies.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
He's facing trial for attempting to stage a coup against
the current president. So Trump is trying to hit him
where it hurts with this fifty percent tariff. Already people
are panicking when it comes to getting coffee, biggest export
there out of Brazil. In that vein, we have a
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special giveaway for you coming up in the show. I'm
not going to tell you when, so you got to
keep it right here because that's the kind of terrorist
I am. But we will be giving you away a
coffee related treat coming up later on in the show,
so stay tuned for that. Have you heard about Gallaine
Maxwell's plea to Trump and the White House? This is
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coming fresh off the news that Trump's Department of Justice said, Hey,
there's no Epstein client list. Why are they getting heat?
Well because of his former buddy Elon Musk. Elon Musk
won't let the Epstein story die, most recently this weekend,
posting another picture of Trump and Epstein together. Remember dropped
that huge bomb of a tweet to when they first
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had their breakup, like the truth will come out soon.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I'm paraphrasing, but.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Intimating that there was something else that we don't know
about Trump's relationship with Epstein. Well, there was no there
there thus far, and the Department of Justice has been
kind of put in the hot seat on well, weren't
you supposed to come up with this client list? Weren't
you supposed to tell the public all the things that
you found out about, all the big names that we're
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supposed to hear about all the big names that are
supposed to drop. What does the Department of Justice know?
And they came out and said this week there is
no client list.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
We don't have it. There is none, No, they're there.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
So now Gleainne Maxwell, of course, Jeffrey Epstein's right hand woman,
who arranged for all of these young girls to be
in the presence of the power hungry men, including Epstein.
Young girls the honey pot as they call her. They
call them that to make women. They are the device
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that make women feel more comfortable. If you are going
into a meeting or a massage or any sort of
job with a high powered man, if there's a woman
in the room, you're going to let your defenses down,
You're gonna let your guard down, You're gonna feel more comfortable. Well,
if there's a woman in the room, thing bad can
happen to me, goes the thought process that was Glene Maxwell,
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who turned the other way when young girls were being
whatever you believe happened, trafficked, sold think Diddy freakoffs before
Diddy hell do his freakoffs. I don't know what went
on on Epstein's private islands, but you give money money,
or you give you private islands. Two men who have
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money and power, and you don't know what they're going
to do left to their own devices. Well, she now
and her attorneys are asking the President to review her
case and pardon her. The President's response to reporters asking
was basically hell no. In the wake of Trump's Department
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of Justice debunking Epstein's so called client list, the British
heiress and former Epstein partner is hopeful Trump will spring
her from the joint. The White House says that this
is not a legitimate option. There have been no discussions
or considerations of a pardon for Glane and there never
will be. She if you're just playing catchup, was sentenced
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to twenty years behind bars a couple of years ago.
She was convicted of aiding Epstein and the sexual exploitation
and abuse of multiple miners over the course of a decade.
She is currently in prison in Florida. Apparently after this
week's official announcement about the Epstein files, people infuriated about
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the outcome have raged online, demanding to know why is
she in prison?
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Then?
Speaker 1 (09:35):
I wonder who those people actually exist or if those
are just people that her lawyers have hired to post things.
TMZ reports that the Department of Justice never worked with
Glaine despite her offering to cooperate. After Epstein was arrested
for trafficking. It was reported she'd been seeking to cut
a plea deal with the FEDS, but they apparently said no.
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In April, she asked the Supreme Court to overturn her
sex trafficking conviction. You know, Trump knew Gallane. You knew that,
and does she know enough? There may be no client list,
but what does she know? I bet there's not a
lot of people with power lining up to let Glaine
maxwell out.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Hell no, to use the words out of the administration.
All right?
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Coming up next, a new Scott Peterson mystery is the
La Times wrote and its headline the mystery being this,
why is the Innocence Project trying to set him free?
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land there. I love the way Harriet Ryan and The
La Times wrote this about the Scott Peterson story should
be called the Lacy Peterson story because it's what happened
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to her at the hands of him. She writes a
story that seems an artifact of the pre smartphone era,
when society's attention was not yet fractured and the search
for a pretty young woman could captivate the nation. I
love the way she put that, the pre smartphone era,
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when society's attention was not yet fractured. We still had
attention span, We could still focus, We could still focus
on one thing for longer than seven or eight seconds.
We've programmed our brains to move.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
On after that. And this was before.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Those hands landed, or those phones landed in our hot
little hands. The Innocence Project has since set out to
exus honerate Scott Peterson, and I have had a bad
feeling in my stomach ever since I first heard of this,
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because the two shan't not meet. The Innocence Project in
Scott Peterson. The very goal of the Innocence Project back
at its inception in the early nineties was to provide
a defense, sometimes after the fact, after a conviction, most
of the time after a conviction, to the people who
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could not afford a proper defense, to the people who
did not know better. In those interrogation rooms to people
in marginalized communities, people who could not pay for the
type of legal power that Scott Peterson paid for. Scott
Peterson came from a wealthy family in La Joya. Scott
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Peterson had everything he ever wanted in his whole life.
That was not my opinion. That was testimony that came
out at trial. Scott Peterson was a spoiled brat from
start to finish, and some of that played in to
how he thought he could get away with things, including
the murder of his wife an unborn child. I have
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a connection to this case because I was working at
KFBK and Sacramento over the holidays when we first realized
that there was a young mom to be missing at
a nearby modesto and it was Christmas Eve, and if
you're a young person in news, you know that you're working.
And I remember being one of the only people at
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the station going on the air with a story about
this young mom to be Lacy Peterson, eight months pregnant
is missing on Christmas. And as that dead week between
Christmas and New Year's went on, it became a national story.
It was everywhere. It was the equivalent of opening up
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Instagram and scrolling in every story seeing Lacy Peterson's face
or Scott Peterson's face. It was the only thing people
were talking about. And for the Innocence Project to get
involved with a case that was so heavily scrutinized by
not just legal experts but by the entire country, for
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them to say something went wrong in this guy's innocent
after all of the questions raised before the trial, during
the trial, after the trial, the appeals process, all of it,
and everybody every final answer is he's guilty. For the
Innocence Project to take this up was a mismatch for me,
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and it was a mismatch for a lot of people
scratching their heads. What because the Innocence Project is not
hurting for work. As you can imagine, there are many
people all over the country who do not have the
means to hire a Mark Gerragis they might get a
public defere And I'm not knocking public defenders. There's a
lot of people who are true believers who do the
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work of public defenders for this very reason. They know
that there's many people, the most people in this country
that can't afford the high name, the big name attorneys,
the high profile attorneys. They can't hire the Mark Garragases
of the world. And so even though they could go
and work at firms and make six figures, eight figures
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out of law school, what have you, they don't do
that because they know that there are people that need
them and need their expertise, and they're great education who
don't have that kind of money. But public defenders they're
really busy too. They're a lot busier than the Mark
Garragases of the world, and they don't always get to
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pour everything into each case that they are tasked with,
and things fall behind, the cracks fall in the cracks,
and some people just have attorneys. And the Innocence Project
is there to review cases and see, well, is this
person wrongly convicted?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Were they coerced into that confession?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Were the arresting investigating officers dealing with tunnel vision?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Did they look at anybody else?
Speaker 1 (17:21):
These are all valuable questions, viable questions, I should say,
But Scott Peterson, that ask clown, he's going to get
a second look, or a third, or fourth or fifth
look by.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
The Innocence Project.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Come on, So we'll get into the Lacy Peterson case.
Because it was a long time ago.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Man.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
It was twenty three years ago now when Lacy Peterson
vanished from her home two thousand and four, when the
jury sentence Scott Peterson to death, So twenty one years since.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I'm going to talk about a little bit about the case.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
And there's one piece of evidence that at a woman
at a local innocence project from Loyola Loyol Loyola.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
This is a very tough thing for me to say.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Loyola Law School, Loyola Law School say it's low. She
seems to be obsessed with this one piece of evidence
and has gone to great lengths to get it examined
and get it publicized.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
And I just wonder why we'll talk about that and.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Where this case stands now in terms of setting Scott
Peterson free.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Question Mark.
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We are in the.
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Midst of talking about the new Scott Peterson mystery. The
mystery is why is the Innocence project trying to set
Scott Peterson free? As I mentioned the La Times Harriet
ryan Is, the Reporter, wrote about the Scott Peterson story
like this, it was an artifact of the pre smartphone era,
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when society's attention was not yet fractured and the search
for a pretty young woman could captivate the nation.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
And that it did.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
It was two thousand and two when Lacy Peterson vanished
from her home, two thousand and four when Scott Peterson
was sentenced to death. Every twist and turn was covered
ad nauseum by every news report, night or day.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Overnight.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Nancy Grace made a lot of hay off of this one.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
The mass appeal was not.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Just the beautiful picture of a very pregnant Lacy Peterson.
It was the near comical, damning evidence that pointed to
Scott Peterson. Now, it wasn't the evidence that you're going
to hear in a law and order, a CSI or
anything else that wraps up in sixty minutes. It was
largely a circumstantial evidence case, yes, But boy was that
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just massive. That pool of circumstantial evidence was deep. The
bodies of Lacey and her child, Connor, a boy, washed
up separately about four months after her disappearance. For four months,
her mother, Sharon her family would hold press conferences, they
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would go on any show, they would do anything. Sharon
Rocha often appeared like she hadn't been sleeping since her
daughter went missing that Christmas Eve. She looked awful, beautiful,
beautiful woman, but looked you could tell you could tell
she wasn't sleeping, that every fiber of her being was
going into figuring out what happened to her daughter and
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her first grandson. I remember covering the first press conference.
I mentioned that I was very young. There was nobody
working between Christmas and New Year's in my newsroom and Sacramento,
and I was sent to Modesto to cover the first
press conference. That happened just a couple of days, I believe,
after Christmas, and Scott Peterson was there and Sharon was there,
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Lacey's mom, and you could tell that there was tension
between the two. And at the time, Scott Peterson was
like this good looking guy, right, and he was just
like this superpower, like he would walk in and all
of Lacey's friends were making sure he had what he needed.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Oh do you need water, Oh Scott, are you okay?
Oh Scott.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Everything was like catering towards this poor young husband whose
wife was missing and his first child, and oh God,
is Scott okay? And you could just feel the tension.
The mother knows, doesn't she? Anyway, four months go by
since she's missing, when the bodies wash up. And this
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was on the shores of San Francisco Bay, not far
from Modesto, about ninety miles away. And this was also
where Scott Peterson made this impromptu Christmas Eve fishing trip,
because who doesn't leave their eight month pregnant wife on
Christmas Eve to go fishing.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Then there was also the affair with the massage therapist
from Fresno.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Hell hath no fury?
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Then somebody in Modesto talking about somebody in Fresno. I
mean that was like that was the B team, all right.
Fresno was very JV if you were in Modesto at
the time. And this was a Fresno massage therapist, no
doubt from the seedy part of the tracks named amber Fry,
and Amber Fry was a hot blonde mess until Gloria
already got her hands on her and did the makeover
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of the century and turned Amber Fry into an upstanding
young woman who looked like she was more like from Modesto.
Two weeks before Lacey went missing, Scott Peterson had told
this woman he was having an affair with, that he
had lost his wife, and that he was preparing for
his first Christmas alone. This is what I'm talking about
when I say circumstantial evidence was deep, as deep as
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a swimming pool. You mean to tell me about your
missing wife that two weeks ago you told the white
the woman you're banging, that your wife was dead and
that you were gonna have your first Christmas alone. And
then Christmas comes in, huh, wife's missing? Please search for Lacey.
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And Scott Peterson was active. This is kind of like
what the Menendez brothers were doing after their parents were
shot and killed. When and when they were saying it
was in you know, the mafia, the Cuban mafia, what
have you, or somebody broke in and shot and killed them,
and the Menendez brothers were going on shopping sprays. They
were buying rolexes on Rodeo Drive, they were buying cars.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
They were having a blast with their parents' money.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Scott Peterson did the same thing in the days and
the weeks that Lacy Peterson was missing. He traded in
her car. He traded in her land Rover for a
pickup truck. He traded in the mom vehicle for the
single dude vehicle. He planned the sale of their home,
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their couches, their furnishings he was trying to sell. If
your wife was truly missing and you were frantic to
find her, you won't spend thirty seconds thinking about trading
in her vehicle or selling the home where you're going
to raise your son that you're still looking for. He
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remade the nursery in fact as a storage area. He
added Pornhub at the time to their cable lineup on
the television. Prosecutors said the evidence of his guilt was
compelling and undeniable, and a jury agreed. Now, as this
innocence project, a single person, a woman by the name
of Paula Mitchell, has taken up this case the Stanislaus
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County where Modesta is. Stanislaus County DA's office has pulled
people out of retirement, has called two of the original
prosecutors and pulled them out of RETI and I gotta
say they probably jumped at the chance. Lacy Peterson's mom, Sharon,
who was so tired in those first months of her
daughter being missing. She has returned to the courtroom. At
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a hearing in San Mateo Superior Court last summer, she
asked the judge when will this end? The Supreme Court
in California did examine this case five years ago in
an initial appeal of his conviction, and the High Court
found considerable circumstantial evidence to support his conviction. Everyone who's
taken a look at this have said, hmm, yeah, no,
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open and shut and guilt. This woman, Paula Mitchell, is
her name. She is a veteran of Loyola Law School's
well respected innocence program, and she has access to federal
grant money for DNA testing and has a b in
her bonnet over this potential piece of evidence. It's a
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mattress pulled from a van that was torched in Modesto
the day after Lacey was reported missing. Prosecutors have addressed this,
They have introduced this. They have said the vehicle was
unrelated to the murders. They have tested the mattress fabric
for DNA. It turned up male DNA. But this woman,
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Paula Mitchell, who is running the La Innocence Project and
still has federal funding at her fingertips is not giving
up the ghost. And there's also another piece of I
think real problem evidence, or I guess you could just
say that's subjective about the timeline of when Connor the
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baby was killed, because this is coming from an expert
that did not testify at trial that has a different timeline.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
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Speaker 1 (27:01):
I remember being outside because the media camped out in
front of their home. Forever is Scott Peterson was going
and living his life like his wife and unborn child
weren't missing. He was just like dude to do, going
about his day, you know, playing golf. Just the behavior
that is not consistent with my wife is missing. It's
consistent with my wife is dead, and I don't care
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because I'm a psychopath. And I remember reporting from outside
of there, and you know, being a young reporter at
the time and seeing hearing John, certainly John and Ken,
but certainly John, and.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Thinking, who the hell is that guy? What's he doing
with the bullhorn?
Speaker 3 (27:43):
You know that scene is in the that's in all
those things, yeah, Netflix documents, right.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
But I mean I remember going, what the hell crazy?
People are out here. I didn't think he was part
of the media. I thought he was just like a
crazy person off the street.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
He is, and he's part of the media. Who knew
I ended up working for him? Oh my god, so funny.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
But yes, we are talking about why the Innocence Project
is set on trying to free Scott Peterson, and I
was talking about a piece of evidence. This is the
only thing that seems problematic, the mattress in the van
that goes along the lines of the old Mark garragus. Oh,
there were gypsies in the area, and they probably wanted
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a pregnant woman to do some sort of sacrifice that
never really held any water. No, but the most significant
development by far in the La Innocence Project's reinvestigation of
this came from a phone call to a Harvard radiology
professor named Peter Dublay, a fetal biometrics expert. This is
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a guy who normally spends his days interpreting ob ultrasounds,
and he had not followed the Peterson case closely back then,
and he did calculations using data sets compiled in the
intervening years since the trial. Now here's the thing about
the timing of Connor's death the unborn baby. His remains
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were found a day before Lacey's on the Bay Shore.
There autopsis indicated she had died while still pregnant, and
that his body had remained in her womb for some time.
In fact, a prosecuted a prosecution expert testified based on
the length of his femur, Connor likely died inside Lacey
December twenty third, the last day date Lacey was seen alive. Now,
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this biometrics expert did calculations and he concluded that Connor
had died five to thirteen days later, between December twenty
eighth and January fifth. Now, this is exonerating if you
believe it, because Scott Peterson at the time of December
twenty eighth to January fifth, was under law enforcement surveillance.
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John and Kat were outside of his home shouting at
him with a bullhorn. By that time, he was not
in a position to have murdered his pregnant wife, which
gives eadents to the Scott didn't do it campaign.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
He's not getting paid for this, by the way, that
expert he did it gratis.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
There was another filing from the La Innocence Project this
year that suggested possible involvement of a gang called the
Modesto hardcore Skinheads that apparently a prisoner recalled a conversation
a few years ago in which the shot caller that
he was inside with Bragg that his homeboys did it.
Peterson is innocent. My homeboys did it. But here's the problem.
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If there was some sort of motive for stealing a
eight obviously pregnant, very pregnant woman off the street and
then holding her without ransom anything, what's some motive for that. Furthermore,
that means a lot of people knew about it. A
lot of people that are in vulnerable societies, some of
them not very smart, that knew that there was gang
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members holding Lacey.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Somebody would have rolled on it.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
There was a five hundred thousand dollars reward at the
time that went unclaimed. If people knew about this, they
would totally roll on others for five hundred thousand. Jurors
that voted for guilts have been told about all of
this and said, nope, it all goes back to Scott.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
There's no way anyone could have done it.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
So far, the La Innocence Project has not been really
successful when it comes to court filings and hearings. Superior
Court Judge Elizabeth Hill is her named night thirteen of
their recent fourteen requests. The one item she permitted to
be tested with a fifteen inch piece of duct tape,
adhere to the maternity pants Lacey was wearing when her
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body washed ashore. But the results are under seal, they
do not appear to be earth shattering. The Innocence Project
did not mention DNA on the duct tape in the
petition they filed in April, and that petition was dismissed
by an appellate court with the direction that it be
refiled in San Mateo. La Innocent's Product expected to do
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that later this summer, but there are a lot of
cases that the Innocence Project should be focused on. Ellen
Agers is a retired state public defender has helped free
eight men from prison since twenty eleven. She says there's
no freaking way on paraphrasing, that she would have taken
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this case. Her words were these, It's not anything I
would ever do. She says, this is not about prioritizing
the people who are white and wealthy, and I've had
lots and lots of bites at the apple with the
most expensive attorneys that money can buy, and that's exactly
what he has had a seven figure sum at least
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to Mark Gerragis. At the onset of this one, Ellen
Agers says that the Innocence Project is from people that
come from poor neighborhoods, no resources. Maybe, like I said,
you have a public defender, court appointed attorney. That's what
the Innocence Project is for. And by the way, the
demand is massive. Thousands of prisoners every week seek representation
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from a handful of nonprofit profits, Innocence Project being at
the top of the list. One of the private attorneys says,
people's families call us, inmates write to us. We get
text messages, phone calls, emails, letters. I've had people who
have been after me for years trying to get me
to look at their case.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
She, by the way, to weed.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
People out, has potential clients all take polygraphs.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
As well.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Scott Peterson, for his comments from his sell at Mule
Creek State Prison, he praised the work of the Innocence Project,
telling the LA Times they are selfless and take on
what others will not try to make things right for
everybody in our society. Oh, that's so beautiful, Scott, just beautiful.
I see you're the same psychopath who murdered his wife
an unborn child. We will talk trending when we come
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back to Gary and Shannon.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
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This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app. We have a story about how
all those short videos we love are cooking our brains,
you know. And I thought I was doing well when
I fell into the whole of TikTok or Instagram reels
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of I'm only wasting a small amount of time watching
these videos eight seconds or so, bite sized wasting of time. Well,
it's wreaking havoc on your tension span in your mind,
and it is showing its face in other areas of
your life. So we'll talk about that, the danger of
those baby videos, which we thought were so innocuous. Eleven
(00:45):
o'clock is when we talk swamp watch, and before we
do a couple things for Deborah Mark while I have her, Deborah,
I texted you yesterday. I saw on Netflix there was
a show that was being advertised to me.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I think it was number two.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
On the Netflix most watched, you know whatever shows of
that day. It's called Sullivan's Crossing, and it looked like
something that you and I would enjoy. I'll of Virgin River,
softly lit, feel good, small Town familial drama, a love connection,
and I started watching it and man hook line and
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sinkered with bra.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Oh, I'm so excited because you know, I'm in a
drought right now. I am watching Ginny and Georgia.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Yeah you recommended. Yeah, it's different, it's different. It's so good.
I didn't love it.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
It doesn't give you the same feel good vibe that
virgin soft lighting do. And so I sent you a
text yesterday, I'm just starting this show that we may like,
and so I got I think I got two episodes in.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
It's so good, like I can't wait to continue it.
I'm gonna watch it tonight. Yeah, you're gonna love it.
I'm so excited. I know.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
I was so excited to tell you. And then also, uh,
you texted this morning that you thought we had an earthquake.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
I can't find it though I've looked everywhere. My house
shook and my dogs freaked out and they came running
to me.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Could it have been construction or something? Maybe? Maybe?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I don't know, but it really did feel like an earthquake,
and it was really quick, and I spent so much
time going through all the you know, the different places
on social media that I look for earthquake information.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
So apparently maybe you're right.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
It was in some construction something rather, but it scared the.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
You know what out of us. Well you're okay now,
I'm okay now. But we do have Lucy Jones's cell
phone number. Really, oh god, she would hate me.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
You could just shoot her a text every time this happens, like, hey,
it's me, Deborah.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Was that a thing? Hey, Louis.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
She would block me so fast she would think I
was a psycho.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
No, yeah, all right, we'll get into Washington.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Now.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
I'm a politician, which means I'm a cheat and a liar.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
And when I'm not kissing babies, I'm stealing that.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Here we got the real problem is that our leaders
are done.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
The other side never quits. I'm not going anywhere.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
So that is how you train the squad.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I can imagine what can be and be unburdened by
what has been.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
You know, Americans have always been going at They're not stupid.
A political plunder is what a politician actually tells the.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Truth, whether people voted for you when not. Swamp watch
they're all count on federal judge in New Hampshire.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Is I'm not going to spend a lot of time
on this hard swamp watch news because well I'm having
a good time and it's going to rowin up. A
federal judge in New Hampshire has issued a nationwide block today.
This is on Trump's attempt to end birthright citizenship just weeks,
I believe, after the Supreme Court lifted several similar orders
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defining them as too broad. This is a district judge
I believe, appointed by George W and pose the new
injunction today. This was a hearing where he allowed a
Penning lawsuit to proceed as a class action. This is
a pathway that justices have said remains plausible after their
ruling back the Supreme Court justices after their ruling that
(04:15):
curtailed judge is power to block the government from enforcing
a policy altogether. That if you take it as a
class action and the rules change a little bit. But
this judge ruled that class petitioners likely to suffer reparable
harm if the order is not granted. The people that
have a problem with birthright citizenship being retroactively wiped out.
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That's going to hurt the people petitioning more so than
the harm to respondence. If the order is granted, the
people that want to do away with it would not
be hurt the way the people that don't want to
do away with it would be. While this plays out,
So this ruling is on hold for seven days to
allow the Trump administration to respond. What they'll do is
(04:57):
they'll file an emergency appeal, probably to the First Court
Circuit Court of Appeals there. So that is the housekeeping
on birthright citizenship to Brazil we go. This was the
headline early this morning when the President threatened Brazil with
what many are calling a crippling tariff of fifty percent.
(05:18):
This would start August first. This is one of those
letters that he has been sending. He alleged that the
Brazilian president is undertaking a witch hunt that should end immediately.
And this is overcharges against their former right wing president,
who was a Trump guy.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
They are their buddies.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
He's facing trial for attempting to stage a coup against
the current president. So Trump is trying to hit him
where it hurts with this fifty percent tariff. Already people
are panicking when it comes to getting coffee, biggest export
there out of Brazil. In that vein, we have a
(05:59):
special giveaway for you coming up in the show. I'm
not going to tell you when, so you got to
keep it right here because that's the kind of terrorist
I am. But we will be giving you away a
coffee related treat coming up later on in the show,
so stay tuned for that. Have you heard about Gallaine
Maxwell's plea to Trump and the White House? This is
(06:21):
coming fresh off the news that Trump's Department of Justice said, Hey,
there's no Epstein client list. Why are they getting heat?
Well because of his former buddy Elon Musk. Elon Musk
won't let the Epstein story die, most recently this weekend,
posting another picture of Trump and Epstein together. Remember dropped
that huge bomb of a tweet to when they first
(06:43):
had their breakup, like the truth will come out soon.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I'm paraphrasing, but.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Intimating that there was something else that we don't know
about Trump's relationship with Epstein. Well, there was no there
there thus far, and the Department of Justice has been
kind of put in the hot seat on well, weren't
you supposed to come up with this client list? Weren't
you supposed to tell the public all the things that
you found out about, all the big names that we're
(07:10):
supposed to hear about all the big names that are
supposed to drop. What does the Department of Justice know?
And they came out and said this week there is
no client list.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
We don't have it. There is none, No, they're there.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
So now Gleainne Maxwell, of course, Jeffrey Epstein's right hand woman,
who arranged for all of these young girls to be
in the presence of the power hungry men, including Epstein.
Young girls the honey pot as they call her. They
call them that to make women. They are the device
(07:43):
that make women feel more comfortable. If you are going
into a meeting or a massage or any sort of
job with a high powered man, if there's a woman
in the room, you're going to let your defenses down,
You're gonna let your guard down, You're gonna feel more comfortable. Well,
if there's a woman in the room, thing bad can
happen to me, goes the thought process that was Glene Maxwell,
(08:04):
who turned the other way when young girls were being
whatever you believe happened, trafficked, sold think Diddy freakoffs before
Diddy hell do his freakoffs. I don't know what went
on on Epstein's private islands, but you give money money,
or you give you private islands. Two men who have
(08:24):
money and power, and you don't know what they're going
to do left to their own devices. Well, she now
and her attorneys are asking the President to review her
case and pardon her. The President's response to reporters asking
was basically hell no. In the wake of Trump's Department
(08:47):
of Justice debunking Epstein's so called client list, the British
heiress and former Epstein partner is hopeful Trump will spring
her from the joint. The White House says that this
is not a legitimate option. There have been no discussions
or considerations of a pardon for Glane and there never
will be. She if you're just playing catchup, was sentenced
(09:10):
to twenty years behind bars a couple of years ago.
She was convicted of aiding Epstein and the sexual exploitation
and abuse of multiple miners over the course of a decade.
She is currently in prison in Florida. Apparently after this
week's official announcement about the Epstein files, people infuriated about
(09:31):
the outcome have raged online, demanding to know why is
she in prison?
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Then?
Speaker 1 (09:35):
I wonder who those people actually exist or if those
are just people that her lawyers have hired to post things.
TMZ reports that the Department of Justice never worked with
Glaine despite her offering to cooperate. After Epstein was arrested
for trafficking. It was reported she'd been seeking to cut
a plea deal with the FEDS, but they apparently said no.
(09:58):
In April, she asked the Supreme Court to overturn her
sex trafficking conviction. You know, Trump knew Gallane. You knew that,
and does she know enough? There may be no client list,
but what does she know? I bet there's not a
lot of people with power lining up to let Glaine
maxwell out.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Hell no, to use the words out of the administration.
All right?
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Coming up next, a new Scott Peterson mystery is the
La Times wrote and its headline the mystery being this,
why is the Innocence Project trying to set him free?
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as we get ready to see Superman in theaters this weekend.
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check that junk folder two because sometimes that notification will
land there. I love the way Harriet Ryan and The
La Times wrote this about the Scott Peterson story should
be called the Lacy Peterson story because it's what happened
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to her at the hands of him. She writes a
story that seems an artifact of the pre smartphone era,
when society's attention was not yet fractured and the search
for a pretty young woman could captivate the nation. I
love the way she put that, the pre smartphone era,
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when society's attention was not yet fractured. We still had
attention span, We could still focus, We could still focus
on one thing for longer than seven or eight seconds.
We've programmed our brains to move.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
On after that. And this was before.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Those hands landed, or those phones landed in our hot
little hands. The Innocence Project has since set out to
exus honerate Scott Peterson, and I have had a bad
feeling in my stomach ever since I first heard of this,
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because the two shan't not meet. The Innocence Project in
Scott Peterson. The very goal of the Innocence Project back
at its inception in the early nineties was to provide
a defense, sometimes after the fact, after a conviction, most
of the time after a conviction, to the people who
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could not afford a proper defense, to the people who
did not know better. In those interrogation rooms to people
in marginalized communities, people who could not pay for the
type of legal power that Scott Peterson paid for. Scott
Peterson came from a wealthy family in La Joya. Scott
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Peterson had everything he ever wanted in his whole life.
That was not my opinion. That was testimony that came
out at trial. Scott Peterson was a spoiled brat from
start to finish, and some of that played in to
how he thought he could get away with things, including
the murder of his wife an unborn child. I have
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a connection to this case because I was working at
KFBK and Sacramento over the holidays when we first realized
that there was a young mom to be missing at
a nearby modesto and it was Christmas Eve, and if
you're a young person in news, you know that you're working.
And I remember being one of the only people at
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the station going on the air with a story about
this young mom to be Lacy Peterson, eight months pregnant
is missing on Christmas. And as that dead week between
Christmas and New Year's went on, it became a national story.
It was everywhere. It was the equivalent of opening up
(15:00):
Instagram and scrolling in every story seeing Lacy Peterson's face
or Scott Peterson's face. It was the only thing people
were talking about. And for the Innocence Project to get
involved with a case that was so heavily scrutinized by
not just legal experts but by the entire country, for
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them to say something went wrong in this guy's innocent
after all of the questions raised before the trial, during
the trial, after the trial, the appeals process, all of it,
and everybody every final answer is he's guilty. For the
Innocence Project to take this up was a mismatch for me,
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and it was a mismatch for a lot of people
scratching their heads. What because the Innocence Project is not
hurting for work. As you can imagine, there are many
people all over the country who do not have the
means to hire a Mark Gerragis they might get a
public defere And I'm not knocking public defenders. There's a
lot of people who are true believers who do the
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work of public defenders for this very reason. They know
that there's many people, the most people in this country
that can't afford the high name, the big name attorneys,
the high profile attorneys. They can't hire the Mark Garragases
of the world. And so even though they could go
and work at firms and make six figures, eight figures
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out of law school, what have you, they don't do
that because they know that there are people that need
them and need their expertise, and they're great education who
don't have that kind of money. But public defenders they're
really busy too. They're a lot busier than the Mark
Garragases of the world, and they don't always get to
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pour everything into each case that they are tasked with,
and things fall behind, the cracks fall in the cracks,
and some people just have attorneys. And the Innocence Project
is there to review cases and see, well, is this
person wrongly convicted?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Were they coerced into that confession?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Were the arresting investigating officers dealing with tunnel vision?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Did they look at anybody else?
Speaker 1 (17:21):
These are all valuable questions, viable questions, I should say,
But Scott Peterson, that ask clown, he's going to get
a second look, or a third, or fourth or fifth
look by.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
The Innocence Project.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Come on, So we'll get into the Lacy Peterson case.
Because it was a long time ago.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Man.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
It was twenty three years ago now when Lacy Peterson
vanished from her home two thousand and four, when the
jury sentence Scott Peterson to death, So twenty one years since.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I'm going to talk about a little bit about the case.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
And there's one piece of evidence that at a woman
at a local innocence project from Loyola Loyol Loyola.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
This is a very tough thing for me to say.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Loyola Law School, Loyola Law School say it's low. She
seems to be obsessed with this one piece of evidence
and has gone to great lengths to get it examined
and get it publicized.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
And I just wonder why we'll talk about that and.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Where this case stands now in terms of setting Scott
Peterson free.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Question Mark.
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We are in the.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Midst of talking about the new Scott Peterson mystery. The
mystery is why is the Innocence project trying to set
Scott Peterson free? As I mentioned the La Times Harriet
ryan Is, the Reporter, wrote about the Scott Peterson story
like this, it was an artifact of the pre smartphone era,
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when society's attention was not yet fractured and the search
for a pretty young woman could captivate the nation.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
And that it did.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
It was two thousand and two when Lacy Peterson vanished
from her home, two thousand and four when Scott Peterson
was sentenced to death. Every twist and turn was covered
ad nauseum by every news report, night or day.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Overnight.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Nancy Grace made a lot of hay off of this one.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
The mass appeal was not.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Just the beautiful picture of a very pregnant Lacy Peterson.
It was the near comical, damning evidence that pointed to
Scott Peterson. Now, it wasn't the evidence that you're going
to hear in a law and order, a CSI or
anything else that wraps up in sixty minutes. It was
largely a circumstantial evidence case, yes, But boy was that
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just massive. That pool of circumstantial evidence was deep. The
bodies of Lacey and her child, Connor, a boy, washed
up separately about four months after her disappearance. For four months,
her mother, Sharon her family would hold press conferences, they
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would go on any show, they would do anything. Sharon
Rocha often appeared like she hadn't been sleeping since her
daughter went missing that Christmas Eve. She looked awful, beautiful,
beautiful woman, but looked you could tell you could tell
she wasn't sleeping, that every fiber of her being was
going into figuring out what happened to her daughter and
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her first grandson. I remember covering the first press conference.
I mentioned that I was very young. There was nobody
working between Christmas and New Year's in my newsroom and Sacramento,
and I was sent to Modesto to cover the first
press conference. That happened just a couple of days, I believe,
after Christmas, and Scott Peterson was there and Sharon was there,
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Lacey's mom, and you could tell that there was tension
between the two. And at the time, Scott Peterson was
like this good looking guy, right, and he was just
like this superpower, like he would walk in and all
of Lacey's friends were making sure he had what he needed.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Oh do you need water, Oh Scott, are you okay?
Oh Scott.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Everything was like catering towards this poor young husband whose
wife was missing and his first child, and oh God,
is Scott okay? And you could just feel the tension.
The mother knows, doesn't she? Anyway, four months go by
since she's missing, when the bodies wash up. And this
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was on the shores of San Francisco Bay, not far
from Modesto, about ninety miles away. And this was also
where Scott Peterson made this impromptu Christmas Eve fishing trip,
because who doesn't leave their eight month pregnant wife on
Christmas Eve to go fishing.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Then there was also the affair with the massage therapist
from Fresno.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Hell hath no fury?
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Then somebody in Modesto talking about somebody in Fresno. I
mean that was like that was the B team, all right.
Fresno was very JV if you were in Modesto at
the time. And this was a Fresno massage therapist, no
doubt from the seedy part of the tracks named amber Fry,
and Amber Fry was a hot blonde mess until Gloria
already got her hands on her and did the makeover
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of the century and turned Amber Fry into an upstanding
young woman who looked like she was more like from Modesto.
Two weeks before Lacey went missing, Scott Peterson had told
this woman he was having an affair with, that he
had lost his wife, and that he was preparing for
his first Christmas alone. This is what I'm talking about
when I say circumstantial evidence was deep, as deep as
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a swimming pool. You mean to tell me about your
missing wife that two weeks ago you told the white
the woman you're banging, that your wife was dead and
that you were gonna have your first Christmas alone. And
then Christmas comes in, huh, wife's missing? Please search for Lacey.
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And Scott Peterson was active. This is kind of like
what the Menendez brothers were doing after their parents were
shot and killed. When and when they were saying it
was in you know, the mafia, the Cuban mafia, what
have you, or somebody broke in and shot and killed them,
and the Menendez brothers were going on shopping sprays. They
were buying rolexes on Rodeo Drive, they were buying cars.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
They were having a blast with their parents' money.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Scott Peterson did the same thing in the days and
the weeks that Lacy Peterson was missing. He traded in
her car. He traded in her land Rover for a
pickup truck. He traded in the mom vehicle for the
single dude vehicle. He planned the sale of their home,
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their couches, their furnishings he was trying to sell. If
your wife was truly missing and you were frantic to
find her, you won't spend thirty seconds thinking about trading
in her vehicle or selling the home where you're going
to raise your son that you're still looking for. He
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remade the nursery in fact as a storage area. He
added Pornhub at the time to their cable lineup on
the television. Prosecutors said the evidence of his guilt was
compelling and undeniable, and a jury agreed. Now, as this
innocence project, a single person, a woman by the name
of Paula Mitchell, has taken up this case the Stanislaus
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County where Modesta is. Stanislaus County DA's office has pulled
people out of retirement, has called two of the original
prosecutors and pulled them out of RETI and I gotta
say they probably jumped at the chance. Lacy Peterson's mom, Sharon,
who was so tired in those first months of her
daughter being missing. She has returned to the courtroom. At
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a hearing in San Mateo Superior Court last summer, she
asked the judge when will this end? The Supreme Court
in California did examine this case five years ago in
an initial appeal of his conviction, and the High Court
found considerable circumstantial evidence to support his conviction. Everyone who's
taken a look at this have said, hmm, yeah, no,
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open and shut and guilt. This woman, Paula Mitchell, is
her name. She is a veteran of Loyola Law School's
well respected innocence program, and she has access to federal
grant money for DNA testing and has a b in
her bonnet over this potential piece of evidence. It's a
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mattress pulled from a van that was torched in Modesto
the day after Lacey was reported missing. Prosecutors have addressed this,
They have introduced this. They have said the vehicle was
unrelated to the murders. They have tested the mattress fabric
for DNA. It turned up male DNA. But this woman,
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Paula Mitchell, who is running the La Innocence Project and
still has federal funding at her fingertips is not giving
up the ghost. And there's also another piece of I
think real problem evidence, or I guess you could just
say that's subjective about the timeline of when Connor the
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baby was killed, because this is coming from an expert
that did not testify at trial that has a different timeline.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
And in summer you're listening to Gary and Shannon on
demand from KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
I remember being outside because the media camped out in
front of their home. Forever is Scott Peterson was going
and living his life like his wife and unborn child
weren't missing. He was just like dude to do, going
about his day, you know, playing golf. Just the behavior
that is not consistent with my wife is missing. It's
consistent with my wife is dead, and I don't care
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because I'm a psychopath. And I remember reporting from outside
of there, and you know, being a young reporter at
the time and seeing hearing John, certainly John and Ken,
but certainly John, and.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Thinking, who the hell is that guy? What's he doing
with the bullhorn?
Speaker 3 (27:43):
You know that scene is in the that's in all
those things, yeah, Netflix documents, right.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
But I mean I remember going, what the hell crazy?
People are out here. I didn't think he was part
of the media. I thought he was just like a
crazy person off the street.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
He is, and he's part of the media. Who knew
I ended up working for him? Oh my god, so funny.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
But yes, we are talking about why the Innocence Project
is set on trying to free Scott Peterson, and I
was talking about a piece of evidence. This is the
only thing that seems problematic, the mattress in the van
that goes along the lines of the old Mark garragus. Oh,
there were gypsies in the area, and they probably wanted
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a pregnant woman to do some sort of sacrifice that
never really held any water. No, but the most significant
development by far in the La Innocence Project's reinvestigation of
this came from a phone call to a Harvard radiology
professor named Peter Dublay, a fetal biometrics expert. This is
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a guy who normally spends his days interpreting ob ultrasounds,
and he had not followed the Peterson case closely back then,
and he did calculations using data sets compiled in the
intervening years since the trial. Now here's the thing about
the timing of Connor's death the unborn baby. His remains
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were found a day before Lacey's on the Bay Shore.
There autopsis indicated she had died while still pregnant, and
that his body had remained in her womb for some time.
In fact, a prosecuted a prosecution expert testified based on
the length of his femur, Connor likely died inside Lacey
December twenty third, the last day date Lacey was seen alive. Now,
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this biometrics expert did calculations and he concluded that Connor
had died five to thirteen days later, between December twenty
eighth and January fifth. Now, this is exonerating if you
believe it, because Scott Peterson at the time of December
twenty eighth to January fifth, was under law enforcement surveillance.
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John and Kat were outside of his home shouting at
him with a bullhorn. By that time, he was not
in a position to have murdered his pregnant wife, which
gives eadents to the Scott didn't do it campaign.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
He's not getting paid for this, by the way, that
expert he did it gratis.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
There was another filing from the La Innocence Project this
year that suggested possible involvement of a gang called the
Modesto hardcore Skinheads that apparently a prisoner recalled a conversation
a few years ago in which the shot caller that
he was inside with Bragg that his homeboys did it.
Peterson is innocent. My homeboys did it. But here's the problem.
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If there was some sort of motive for stealing a
eight obviously pregnant, very pregnant woman off the street and
then holding her without ransom anything, what's some motive for that. Furthermore,
that means a lot of people knew about it. A
lot of people that are in vulnerable societies, some of
them not very smart, that knew that there was gang
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members holding Lacey.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Somebody would have rolled on it.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
There was a five hundred thousand dollars reward at the
time that went unclaimed. If people knew about this, they
would totally roll on others for five hundred thousand. Jurors
that voted for guilts have been told about all of
this and said, nope, it all goes back to Scott.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
There's no way anyone could have done it.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
So far, the La Innocence Project has not been really
successful when it comes to court filings and hearings. Superior
Court Judge Elizabeth Hill is her named night thirteen of
their recent fourteen requests. The one item she permitted to
be tested with a fifteen inch piece of duct tape,
adhere to the maternity pants Lacey was wearing when her
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body washed ashore. But the results are under seal, they
do not appear to be earth shattering. The Innocence Project
did not mention DNA on the duct tape in the
petition they filed in April, and that petition was dismissed
by an appellate court with the direction that it be
refiled in San Mateo. La Innocent's Product expected to do
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that later this summer, but there are a lot of
cases that the Innocence Project should be focused on. Ellen
Agers is a retired state public defender has helped free
eight men from prison since twenty eleven. She says there's
no freaking way on paraphrasing, that she would have taken
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this case. Her words were these, It's not anything I
would ever do. She says, this is not about prioritizing
the people who are white and wealthy, and I've had
lots and lots of bites at the apple with the
most expensive attorneys that money can buy, and that's exactly
what he has had a seven figure sum at least
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to Mark Gerragis. At the onset of this one, Ellen
Agers says that the Innocence Project is from people that
come from poor neighborhoods, no resources. Maybe, like I said,
you have a public defender, court appointed attorney. That's what
the Innocence Project is for. And by the way, the
demand is massive. Thousands of prisoners every week seek representation
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from a handful of nonprofit profits, Innocence Project being at
the top of the list. One of the private attorneys says,
people's families call us, inmates write to us. We get
text messages, phone calls, emails, letters. I've had people who
have been after me for years trying to get me
to look at their case.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
She, by the way, to weed.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
People out, has potential clients all take polygraphs.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
As well.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Scott Peterson, for his comments from his sell at Mule
Creek State Prison, he praised the work of the Innocence Project,
telling the LA Times they are selfless and take on
what others will not try to make things right for
everybody in our society. Oh, that's so beautiful, Scott, just beautiful.
I see you're the same psychopath who murdered his wife
an unborn child. We will talk trending when we come
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