September 5, 2025 • 32 mins
Weak summer labor market flashes warning signs for the economy. US deploying stealth fighter jets to Caribbean for drug fight as tensions with Venezuela rise. North Korea Seal Team 6 Mission.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty, The Gary and Shannon Show on demand
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Welcome to Friday. First Friday in September. Feels good, doesn't it.
Marla Teas is here.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Shannon is in Brazil for tonight's Chargers Chiefs game. We'll
talk with Shannon a little bit later in the show.
How things are going on the inside of that hotel.
It's a dark hotel room that she's been stuck in
for a while for A friend of mine actually asked
about the why go to sal Polo, Like, why is
the NFL so excited about these foreign markets and doing
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games in Mexico City.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
They're doing five different international cities this year.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Yeah, yeah, So the question is why, what is it
specifically about those things? And I heard Rich Eisen, who
is now back with ESPN as part of the NFL
Network since ESPN brought up the NFL Argisans also doing
the game tonight, I guess calling the game from sal Polo,
and he's done a handful of them. His argument is
there is a massive, massive appetite for American football in
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these other markets, and the NFL would be foolish not
to do these kinds of games. I just find it
hard to believe that a place like Sal Paulo, Brazil,
or even Mexico City, this is not their main sport.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
No, it's the other football, Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
So why I mean, And I don't know outside of
the America, American football is not easy to understand.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
You know, I mean, think of I think of those.
Have you ever sat and watched cricket? No, okay, it's
not easy. I don't even know.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
I know a lot about it. No, I shouldn't say
I know a lot. I know enough about it to
know what's going on. I don't, but I don't. And
I can see how it kind of correlates with with baseball,
and there are similar terms, and you know, innings and
home not home runs what do they call them? Anyway,
I understand enough of it to watch it. I don't
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appreciate it because I don't know the nuance of it.
But American football does not doesn't even translate like like
cricket does to baseball. Soccer what we call it does
not translate to American football.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
No, not not even close. And barely rugby well, and.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Now new technology thanks to AI and all that. The
chain gang that's going away. I think just for the
first down, if I'm not mistaken first down measurements.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
If you're learning it there, I mean it's and I
will push back on Rich Eisenham. Of course he's going
to say that there's a big appetite for it down there.
So Christine Devine, my colleague at Box eleven, her father
lives in Brazil. She just got back literally last week,
and she did a little story about, you know, the
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fanfare of Chargers going down there for this big game tonight.
And I asked her, you know, is there a big
does your dad, for instance, follow the NFL and zero interest?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yeah, no interest? What I mean, I don't know. I
think they just want an excuse to travel. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Well, and South Polo. I'm not sure it is the
largest city in Brazil. Yeah, but is it the place
that you'd want to go if you went to Brazil?
I mean, why couldn't they do it somewhere on the
Copa Cabana.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Beachers, Copa Cobama.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
The big Jobs numbers report came in this morning and
it was pretty dismal.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Abysmal.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Economists had expected about eighty thousand new jobs. Last month,
they got just over twenty thousand, Yeah, twenty two thousand.
According to the Labor Department. The revised data showed that
employers actually lost thirteen thousand jobs in June, rather than
adding the fourteen thousand that had been reported a month earlier.
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That's the first decline since late twenty twenty. Some companies
are cutting back on hiring pans plans because the on again,
off again tariff issue that's going on, and now that
that is being caught up in the courts, that could
become a problem.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Well and then sort of the irony, not sort of
the irony. According to the agency, gains made in healthcare
were offset by losses in federal government employee employment. So,
in other words, the job cuts for doze if you will.
Oh yeah, right, that's that's taking a hit on the report.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Last night, before the numbers came out, the President was
at the White House with a whole bunch of tech
people and was asked specifically about, Okay, you fired the
head of the Bureau of.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Labor because you didn't like the numbers.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Because you didn't like the numbers, are you going to
trust the numbers that come out tomorrow, which is today.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
There, Elmer, give me this turning there, it is right there.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
A lot of people will be turning to you to
see if you believe the data that's released.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Can you commit to.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Say the data will the number I don't know they
come out tomorrow, but the real numbers that I'm talking
about are going to be whatever it is, but will
be any from now. One of these monstrous, huge, beautiful places,
the Palaces of Genius, And when they start opening up,
you're seeing, uh, I think you'll see job numbers that
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are going to be absolutely incredible. Right now, it's a
lot of construction numbers, but you're gonna see job numbers
like our country has never seen before, Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
No one's quite sure what he means by the Palace
of Genius. I was going to ask you if you
knew what he was referring to. I know that he's
talked about tech companies and building up infrastructure, but he
didn't get.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Specifical, and he had all the heads of tech with
him yesterday.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
So he is blaming this on pal On.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Jerome Palell, the head of the Reserve, and he took
a true social today and wrote, Jerome quote too late.
Pal should have lowered rates long ago as usual, he's
quote too late.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yeah, and this, I suppose the irony of this, even
though it's bad news jobs numbers wise, it does put
more pressure on the FED to lower.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Those interest ructure. It does, right, so he may get
what he wants, despite the fact he wanted better job numbers.
But the question becomes, who's going to take the fall
for this? Well, anybody is there? Anybody there? We shall see.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
The other irony is he talks about this being I
mean he referred to in that comment there the jobs
numbers are going to be what they be. They're going
to be what they are, but the big numbers are
going to come in next year. And he's talking about
the infrastructure, the investments that have already been pledged by
big companies, the billions of dollars it takes time, and
that it's going to take time, but that they will
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pick up. I just don't think if you trust the
CBS poll that says that Americans continue to rate the
economy negatively, most respondents either pick the word uncertain or
struggling to describe its current state or their current state.
People don't want to wait a year they want, especially
when it comes to economically. They don't want to sit
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back and wait for something good to happen. They want
it to be happening right now.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
I'm curious. Have we seen a response from Powell. I
haven't seen that yet.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
I haven't seen anything he's not I don't think it's
very common for him to speak out on something like this.
He doesn't fall for the bait. How's that as much
as Trump wantsam too, as much as he wants to
get into it all right? Up next, the things are
heating up down in the southern part of the Caribbean.
Venezuela apparently decided that flying a couple of F sixteen's,
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by the way, made in America against an American Navy ship.
They thought that was the right response to us blowing
a Narco traffic Conte boat out of the water.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
That's not a good step, not a good move.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
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Speaker 2 (07:49):
If you're a are you a White Lotus fan? I
am so. I heard about the new season. It's gonna
be in France and France does that mean in Paris?
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Will we.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
There's a show I never really can have. Oh really,
last season was slow until the end. I was on
my phone, you know during the episodes. My husband's really
into it.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
But it did get a little more intense towards the end,
So I'll give it another run.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Okay, Yeah, Season four at some point comes out, but
it's going to be set in France.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Is the big news today.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
I'm just excited for Landman that November, right, Yeah, we
talked about that yesterday.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Yes, Chiefs Chargers Week one matchup is tonight. You're gonna
hear it live here on kfive. Pregame starts at four o'clock.
Shannon of course gonna be on the sidelines. Matt and
DJ up in the booth and we'll talk with Shannon
coming up in the twelve o'clock hour for our Gas
Fantasy warplay.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Coming back.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
A reminder that News and Bruce is coming up Monday,
September twenty second. We're gonna be a BJ's Restaurant in
brew House live on Eastland Center Drive there in West Covina.
Monday the twenty second and tomorrow American Vision Windows doing
their big twenty five year anniversary grand reopening party at
their Semi Valley showroom. It's going to be from eleven
(09:09):
to three. We'll be out there. I'll be out there.
Tim Conway Junior is going to be out there. Dean
Sharp is going to be out there for some food
and fun and prizes again at celebrating American Vision Windows
twenty five years at their Semi Valley location. Would it
be weird if I shut up to not at all
if you showed up. Marco Rubio, Secretary of State, among
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other things, talking about the American strike on a drug
boat that was making its way out of Venezuela.
Speaker 6 (09:37):
I think as long as those vessels are in the region,
and as long as the President's in the White House,
he's made very clear he's not going to allow the
United States to continue to be flooded with cocaine and
fentanyl and other drugs coming from different places. This one
from Venezuela, which it's a common route, but by the way,
some of it ends up in Europe, a lot of
it ends up in Puerto Rico and then on into
the United States.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
This is President Trump talking about the same subject.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
Venezuela has been a very bad actor. They've been as
you know, they've been sending millions of people into our country.
Many of them trend de Aragua. Some of the worst gangs,
some of the worst people anywhere in the world in
terms of gangs, and we had some in Washington, d
You see. We took care of them very quickly. But
they're out of here.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
They've gone all right.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
So yesterday a couple of F sixteens from Venezuela flew
over a US Navy warship. This, of course, follows that
strike from Tuesday. Eleven people were killed when the Navy,
we believe hit that Venezuelan boat that the Pentagon has
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said was carrying eleven people and a bunch of drugs.
The Venezuelan F sixteens that flew over, I think it
was the USS Dunham.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
The USS Jason Dunham, USS Jason Dunham.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
They didn't do anything, but you don't get to fly
F sixteen's over an American Navy ship without being or
at least trying to send a clear message that you
didn't like what happened.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Now, and this ship was carrying more than forty five
hundred sailors and marines.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
The in response, although it may have been more of
a timing than a response, to the F sixteens. The
United States has ordered deployment of ten F thirty fives
down to Puerto Rico to conduct operations against cartels.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
This is.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Considering there's already eight massive American warships in the Caribbean
or the Pacific. As part of this increased presence there
ten F thirty fives is I mean, it's a big arsenal.
It's a huge arsenal. And those F thirty fives, in
the event that they ever had to go up against
an F sixteen from Venezuela, we would win. We would handily,
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and we would win quickly. To use vernacular from the President,
the question I think that people are not quite are
the question that has to be asked here is are
we outside the bounds of what we do as the
United States?
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Well to that point. Rep.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Representative elon Omar, a Democrat, of course, from Minnesota, she
condemned this, saying that Congress has not declared war on
Venezuela or Trende Arragua, and the mere designation of a
group as a terrorist organization does not give any president
carte blanche to ignore Congress's clear constitutional authority on matters
of war and peace.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
So that is to your point there.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Yeah, and there are arguments that this. Well, first of all,
it goes completely against what our previous policy has been,
which is if we find boats like this that are
carrying what we believe to be drugs headed for the
United States or other territories, we interdict, we stop the boat,
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we shoot people if we have to, but we don't
often do that. We stop the boat, we take the drugs,
we take everybody into custody, and then do a normal
court procedure. That's the way it's been done for a
very long time. This president has declared that this is
in his mind, this is a war on the United States,
this war of bringing in massive quantities of drugs that
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do nothing to help the United States and in fact
kill many people every single year. And that Venezuela, not
just the location, but Venezuela, the government is acting as
one of the largest drug cartels in the entire Western hemisphere.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Well, and the gang Trende Aragua.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
This is the same gang, if I'm not mistaken, that
took over an apartment complex in Colorado. Yeah, okay, so
there's that tie in. And then yesterday the Defense Secretary
Pete Hegseth. He defended the deadly strike, saying that the
poisoning of the American people is over, and we haven't
talked about this yet. The Defense Secretary the Department of Defense,
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Trump yesterday said that today he is in for an
executive order to rename the Department of Defense the Department
of War.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Yeah, back in the old days, but you can't officially
do that without an Act of Congress. You can do that.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Where it's just sort of this is what we're going
to call it, sort of like the Gulf of America.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Yeah, it's one of smiler.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
It's one of those things that he I understand completely
why he's doing it.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
He wants in his description of it.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
A couple of weeks ago, when when this topic first
came up of changing the name, it seemed like it
was kind of off the top of his head, like,
wait a minute, why do we call it defense? Who
were we defending? We should be the Department of War
like we were in the old days. So there was
originally aggressive stands. Yeah, yeah, until until just after World
War two forty seven, forty eight something like that is
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when they changed it. Because there was a there was
a feeling of this new era of peace that was
upon us, that a Department of War probably was a
little too aggressive for the times, and that we wanted
to pull back from, you know, this war that we
didn't want to have anything to do with for a
long time, World War two. We did not want to
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get involved. And it took the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbor
for us to really get, you know, any sort of
public sentiment behind it. And even then it was still
we weren't. There wasn't there wasn't overwhelming support right away
for us to get involved.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Yeah, I mean, this is a flex for President Trump.
He wants to flex our military prowess, and this is
one way that he thinks that'll be done.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
I don't know. I don't even know if I have.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
The right to to determine my opinion on whether we
call it the Department of Defense or Department of War.
My thought is that the American military, and I've said
this many times, we don't have to show the size
of our.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Units. Perhaps that's what it's just, it's just a known thing.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
And I mean that's actually coming up also in this
The next story is about this secret Sealed Team six mission.
We do things around the world every single day. By we,
I mean the American military, which I'm not a part of,
but I have great respect for.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Do we need to change it? Is?
Speaker 3 (16:20):
It is like, is this what's going to make the
difference between terrorists liking us and not liking us? What
is it going to make a difference in the policies
that we institute when it comes to defending countries around
the world, defending our own interests around the world.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
It's just to me, it's like a silly It's a headline.
It's as it grabs headlines, we're talking about it. When
I first heard this yesterday, I thought.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Why why are we Why? Why? It's an unnecessary thing.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
It's unnecessary, just like the golf in my opinion of America.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Uh, but it's your I mean, you're right, it's a distract.
It's a flex.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
It's a guy standing in the mirror at the gym
after he rips out forty curls with you know, ten
pound weights. He's like, I'm vainy now.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
I mean, I think it would be more of a
flex if he did what he said he was going
to do on day one, and that is to end
the war in Ukraine.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Yeah, that'd be nice.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Yeah, speaking of North Korea was the site of a
Seal Team six operation that ended almost as quickly as
it began. A new report about some of the details
of that has come out today, and we'll talk about
it and we come back.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
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Speaker 3 (17:39):
I think eighty eight is our flashback Friday ye in
nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
I picked that. I figured it take us back back
back in time. That is very true.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Next segment, we're going to talk about Elon Musk and
the potential for him to become the we, as far
as we know, the world's first trillion air.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
What does not even mean? How many zeros? Is that many?
How many? That's four? That's twelve zero, which reminds me
power Ball just went up.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
To not We were reporting one point seven and is
now one point eight million.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I think it goes up even more by the time
they draw tomorrow night.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Tomorrow night, the entire BART system is down up in
the Bay Area.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Did you see this. I didn't see that. This morning.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
There were computer equipment problems. According to Bay Area Rapid Transit.
This is this is their version of I guess commuter
subway if you want to call it that, even though
some of the tracks are elevated, but one hundred and
eighty thousand people daily use Bay Area Rapid Transit and
to this morning they had exactly zero trains running because
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of them.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
That does a number on the road.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Yeah, because a lot of people they'll live in the
East Bay and they'll take bart over to San Francisco and.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Without that option, Oh, work from home, work from home,
I suppose.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Weatherwise, Hurricane Kiko has been downgraded to a Category three storm.
It is continuing to move towards Hawaii, and then Loraina
has been downgraded to a tropical storm. It continues to
roll along the coast of Baja, but is probably going
to be heading out to the open ocean relatively soon.
So The New York Times has a very well put
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together piece which might have a little bit too much information,
and regarding a twenty nineteen military operation to get a
listening device into North Korea.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
The details are incredible. It's like reading a movie script.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
And I'm sure it's going to be optioned at some point.
There's a couple of things that go on when a
major news outlet like this has details as specific as
these are.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Because this is the first time publicly reported. Yes, they
had some great intelligence. I'm sorry, they had great sources well,
and they also say, to be clear, we report and
we don't report everything that we have. But it's a
long detailed article, so it's hard to imagine what else
they know. But this is the same Seal Team six
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Red Squadron, of course, the same unit that killed Osama
Bin Laden, and what they were up against to plant
this electronic device to be able to record communications with
Kim Jong un.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
The details are just mind blowing. If one thing goes.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Wrong, the whole thing's going well, and the retaliation dead
seals that and they have missiles that can hit the US.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
So the leading up to this, the saber rattling that
was North Korea. I mean, I don't think we were
threatening North Korea, but they were definitely threatening US. And
President Trump had made it one of his plans to
get closer to Kim Jong un. Relations seemed to be
moving a bit towards peace. North Korea was suspending nuclear
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missile tests, negotiations had begun, but still mystery surrounding exactly
what goes on and intelligence it goes on in North Korea,
and we have such a tough time getting intelligent sources
from North Korea. We don't have a lot of listening
devices there. Literally, we don't have a lot of human
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intelligence coming out of North Korea. So there's a huge
mystery as to what's really going on. So this plan
was to put a listening device somewhere. They don't get
into the details about what it was or what they
were going to do with it, but it was supposed
to be able to give them insight into all of
the conversations that Kim Jong un had been having leading
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up to the meeting with President Trump.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Can I get into some of these details, you get it.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
The plan called for the Navy to sneak a nuclear
powered submarine nearly two football fields long into the waters
off North Korea, and then deploy a small team of
seals and two mini subs, each about the size of
a killer whale, that would motor silently to the shore.
The mini subs were wet subs, which meant the seals
would ride immersed in forty degree ocean water for about
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two hours to reach the shore, using scuba gear and
heated suits to survive.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Now, the movie version of this is they go in,
they install the device, they get back in those mini subs,
and they go back to the Big Mama. What really
happened was the too mini subs get close to shore
and one of them overshoots the little landing spot or
stop spot, whatever you want to call it, so they
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have to kind of do a U turn. Now you've
got too many subs facing opposite directions, and they say
basically like and we'll fix it.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
On the way out.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
They get to this seal team gets to shore and
they see nearby that there is a North Korean fishing boat.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
There appeared out of the dark.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Out of the dark because the night vision goggles that
the seal team was using looks for heat signatures, and
in this case, the wet suits that the North Koreans
were wearing were cold because the sea is cold forty degrees,
so they didn't notice those guys. Finally, and they said,
probably a third mistake of the three outside the parking
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and then not seeing these guys was the boats started
moving towards the boat. The North Korean boat started moving
towards the mini subs, and they were flashing flashlights as
if they were searching for something, they may have noticed
something right now. That leaves the Seals at this point
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with a decision. Well, the commanding officer, whoever it had
happened to be, they thought they had been spotted.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
So when one of the North Koreans gets into the water,
what do you do?
Speaker 3 (23:58):
The Seals open fire and they shoot and kill all
of the of the North Koreans. Basically the mission is
over at that point. They're not going to be able
to plant this device. They're not going to be able
to complete it. They go back to the subs. We
don't find out about it for six years.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Yeah, they didn't plant the device, as you said.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
And in reporting this, several of the people who spoke
on anonymity to The New York Times in discussing the details,
they were concerned that special operations failures are often hidden
by government secrecy. If the public and policymakers become aware
only of high profile successes, such as the raid that
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killed Bin Laden in Pakistan, they may underestimate the extreme
risks that American forces undertake.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Let's continue this because I want to go more into
that aspect of it.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Well, okay, you're.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
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Shannon is in Brazil for tonight's Chargers game.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
You'll hear it.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Pregame starts at four kickoff just after five o'clock tonight.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
As we start the NFL week, and we're talking to
Shannon in the twelve o'clock she'll.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Be with us in the twelve o'clock hour, which I
believe is four o'clock South Pollo time, so hopefully she'll
be up from her nap by then. We were talking
about The New York Times and their lengthy article on
a top secret Sealed Team six mission into North Korea
and the care with which they say they were reporting
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on it. Again, The New York Times uses an entire
paragraph in their story to say that they're very careful,
they proceed cautiously when talking about classified military operations, and
The New York Times says that they withheld some sensitive
information on this mission, specifically that could affect future operations,
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could affect intelligence gathering missions, et cetera. And what I
love is the next paragraph starts with it is unclear
how much North Korea was able to discover about the mission.
I have a sneaking suspicion that someone in North Korea
has a subscription to The New York Times and they
now know a metric asketn more than they did about
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this mission.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
But when it was going on.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
You make a great point, Gary, and this mission, this
failed mission, happened just before Trump.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
We remember when Trump met with Kim Jong un.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Yeah, that was at the end of February of twenty nineteen,
and it was soon after that that North Korea resumed
missile tests.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
I have to imagine that if you're North Korea and
you know that this big, unprecedented meeting is taking place
between you, the North Korean leader, and the leader of
the Free world, and there's mysteriously bodies of fishermen on
the shore of one of the quietest parts of North Korea.
Somebody in the intelligence agency would say, well, you know,
(27:35):
if I was the Americans, this is the kind of
area that I would come into to try to sneak
into the country. And it's mysterious that these six or
however many North Koreans just happened to show up dead
with bullet holes in them.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Well, and then also the reporting notes that the reason
why the seal team said, you know what, we can
do this, and they had so much confidence, well, a,
they're seals, so this is what they do. But in
two thousand and five, the reporting shows that they used
a mini sub to go ashore in North Korea and
leave unnoticed.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
And this two.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Thousand and five operation was carried out during the presidency
of George W. Bush, has never been publicly reported either.
So now we're saying, look, we do this to you,
mister Kim Jong own.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah, you know, you can't stop it. Yeah, And that's
one of the things this has been.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
It's funny because as I was reading through this, I
couldn't tell you who wrote it or what the name
of the book was. But I love these kinds of
military thriller books, I eat them up. And there have
been multiple storylines of operations just like this into North Korea,
specifically in these novels. So whoever's writing these novels may
(28:49):
or may not have some shades of intelligence that they
know about these types of things that go on on
a regular basis.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Now, interestingly though, it also talks about sort of having
this uneven track record. And the aborted Seal mission prompted
a series of military reviews during Trump's first term, and
they found that the killing of the civilians was justified
under the rules of engagement, and that the mission was
undone by a collision of unfortunate occurrences that could not
(29:17):
have been foreseen or avoided, and the findings were classified.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
It also, and I mean to the comment that you
made right before that you read right before the break,
was about what we know about military operations, and we
always celebrate the success, right, but there are I'm sure
plenty of operations where it is on everything must go right,
and in the first instance of something going wrong, the
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mission is aborted.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Now is that a waste of money? Is it a
waste of resources? Is it a waste of time?
Speaker 3 (29:50):
We're obviously doing we obviously set up those rules so
that we protect American men and women who would be
in harm's way.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
It's got to be perfect for this.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Ac because like this also, it's not just the death
of an American soldier, sailor marine what that's not just
what could happen. It could become a major international incident.
And that's one of the reasons why we don't hear
the the failures or the aborted missions.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
And of course we only learned about what could have
been the failure when going after bidden laden when they
tried to get entry, gain entry into the compound.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Remember that the helicopter came down hard, Oh my goodness.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
And then you know they realized we actually don't have
to try that hard. There's there's there's the open gate,
and they went in.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
But that could have been the end of it right
then and there.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
And listen, we don't we don't need Pakistan angry with us.
It's probably we don't care. But they are a nuclear
armed country, so it's nice to have at least some communication.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
But God bless our military.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
And may I say for a moment I each Friday,
as uh, what's the word, I'm frivolous? No, not the
word I'm looking for, as silly, No, not the word
I'm looking for. You'll you'll help me out. You're encyclopedia.
I wear red every Friday. You're wearing red today.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
I am.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
It is Friday, and red is the acronym to remember
everyone deployed. And I've been doing it for years, and
so it may seem like inconsequential that's the word I
guess I was looking for.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
But I do it every every Friday.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
And you know, give shout outs on the air to
our military service members near and far and the families
that support them because they're a huge part of the equation.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
So this gives me an opportunity to let our.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Listeners know that I'm in red today and you can
throw on some red and just take part in the
Red Friday movement.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Oh you do, and notice.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
And it's a it's an anchor, I guess, not not
not me, not an anchor, not a news anchor, but
an actual, an actual anchor.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Gary and Shaddon will continue right after this. You've been
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Welcome to Friday. First Friday in September. Feels good, doesn't it.
Marla Teas is here.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Shannon is in Brazil for tonight's Chargers Chiefs game. We'll
talk with Shannon a little bit later in the show.
How things are going on the inside of that hotel.
It's a dark hotel room that she's been stuck in
for a while for A friend of mine actually asked
about the why go to sal Polo, Like, why is
the NFL so excited about these foreign markets and doing
(00:38):
games in Mexico City.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
They're doing five different international cities this year.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Yeah, yeah, So the question is why, what is it
specifically about those things? And I heard Rich Eisen, who
is now back with ESPN as part of the NFL
Network since ESPN brought up the NFL Argisans also doing
the game tonight, I guess calling the game from sal Polo,
and he's done a handful of them. His argument is
there is a massive, massive appetite for American football in
(01:06):
these other markets, and the NFL would be foolish not
to do these kinds of games. I just find it
hard to believe that a place like Sal Paulo, Brazil,
or even Mexico City, this is not their main sport.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
No, it's the other football, Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
So why I mean, And I don't know outside of
the America, American football is not easy to understand.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
You know, I mean, think of I think of those.
Have you ever sat and watched cricket? No, okay, it's
not easy. I don't even know.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
I know a lot about it. No, I shouldn't say
I know a lot. I know enough about it to
know what's going on. I don't, but I don't. And
I can see how it kind of correlates with with baseball,
and there are similar terms, and you know, innings and
home not home runs what do they call them? Anyway,
I understand enough of it to watch it. I don't
(01:59):
appreciate it because I don't know the nuance of it.
But American football does not doesn't even translate like like
cricket does to baseball. Soccer what we call it does
not translate to American football.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
No, not not even close. And barely rugby well, and.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Now new technology thanks to AI and all that. The
chain gang that's going away. I think just for the
first down, if I'm not mistaken first down measurements.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
If you're learning it there, I mean it's and I
will push back on Rich Eisenham. Of course he's going
to say that there's a big appetite for it down there.
So Christine Devine, my colleague at Box eleven, her father
lives in Brazil. She just got back literally last week,
and she did a little story about, you know, the
(02:52):
fanfare of Chargers going down there for this big game tonight.
And I asked her, you know, is there a big
does your dad, for instance, follow the NFL and zero interest?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yeah, no interest? What I mean, I don't know. I
think they just want an excuse to travel. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Well, and South Polo. I'm not sure it is the
largest city in Brazil. Yeah, but is it the place
that you'd want to go if you went to Brazil?
I mean, why couldn't they do it somewhere on the
Copa Cabana.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Beachers, Copa Cobama.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
The big Jobs numbers report came in this morning and
it was pretty dismal.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Abysmal.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Economists had expected about eighty thousand new jobs. Last month,
they got just over twenty thousand, Yeah, twenty two thousand.
According to the Labor Department. The revised data showed that
employers actually lost thirteen thousand jobs in June, rather than
adding the fourteen thousand that had been reported a month earlier.
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That's the first decline since late twenty twenty. Some companies
are cutting back on hiring pans plans because the on again,
off again tariff issue that's going on, and now that
that is being caught up in the courts, that could
become a problem.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Well and then sort of the irony, not sort of
the irony. According to the agency, gains made in healthcare
were offset by losses in federal government employee employment. So,
in other words, the job cuts for doze if you will.
Oh yeah, right, that's that's taking a hit on the report.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Last night, before the numbers came out, the President was
at the White House with a whole bunch of tech
people and was asked specifically about, Okay, you fired the
head of the Bureau of.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Labor because you didn't like the numbers.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Because you didn't like the numbers, are you going to
trust the numbers that come out tomorrow, which is today.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
There, Elmer, give me this turning there, it is right there.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
A lot of people will be turning to you to
see if you believe the data that's released.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Can you commit to.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Say the data will the number I don't know they
come out tomorrow, but the real numbers that I'm talking
about are going to be whatever it is, but will
be any from now. One of these monstrous, huge, beautiful places,
the Palaces of Genius, And when they start opening up,
you're seeing, uh, I think you'll see job numbers that
(05:10):
are going to be absolutely incredible. Right now, it's a
lot of construction numbers, but you're gonna see job numbers
like our country has never seen before, Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
No one's quite sure what he means by the Palace
of Genius. I was going to ask you if you
knew what he was referring to. I know that he's
talked about tech companies and building up infrastructure, but he
didn't get.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Specifical, and he had all the heads of tech with
him yesterday.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
So he is blaming this on pal On.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Jerome Palell, the head of the Reserve, and he took
a true social today and wrote, Jerome quote too late.
Pal should have lowered rates long ago as usual, he's
quote too late.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yeah, and this, I suppose the irony of this, even
though it's bad news jobs numbers wise, it does put
more pressure on the FED to lower.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Those interest ructure. It does, right, so he may get
what he wants, despite the fact he wanted better job numbers.
But the question becomes, who's going to take the fall
for this? Well, anybody is there? Anybody there? We shall see.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
The other irony is he talks about this being I
mean he referred to in that comment there the jobs
numbers are going to be what they be. They're going
to be what they are, but the big numbers are
going to come in next year. And he's talking about
the infrastructure, the investments that have already been pledged by
big companies, the billions of dollars it takes time, and
that it's going to take time, but that they will
(06:36):
pick up. I just don't think if you trust the
CBS poll that says that Americans continue to rate the
economy negatively, most respondents either pick the word uncertain or
struggling to describe its current state or their current state.
People don't want to wait a year they want, especially
when it comes to economically. They don't want to sit
(06:58):
back and wait for something good to happen. They want
it to be happening right now.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
I'm curious. Have we seen a response from Powell. I
haven't seen that yet.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
I haven't seen anything he's not I don't think it's
very common for him to speak out on something like this.
He doesn't fall for the bait. How's that as much
as Trump wantsam too, as much as he wants to
get into it all right? Up next, the things are
heating up down in the southern part of the Caribbean.
Venezuela apparently decided that flying a couple of F sixteen's,
(07:29):
by the way, made in America against an American Navy ship.
They thought that was the right response to us blowing
a Narco traffic Conte boat out of the water.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
That's not a good step, not a good move.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
If you're a are you a White Lotus fan? I
am so. I heard about the new season. It's gonna
be in France and France does that mean in Paris?
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Will we.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
There's a show I never really can have. Oh really,
last season was slow until the end. I was on
my phone, you know during the episodes. My husband's really
into it.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
But it did get a little more intense towards the end,
So I'll give it another run.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Okay, Yeah, Season four at some point comes out, but
it's going to be set in France.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Is the big news today.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
I'm just excited for Landman that November, right, Yeah, we
talked about that yesterday.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Yes, Chiefs Chargers Week one matchup is tonight. You're gonna
hear it live here on kfive. Pregame starts at four o'clock.
Shannon of course gonna be on the sidelines. Matt and
DJ up in the booth and we'll talk with Shannon
coming up in the twelve o'clock hour for our Gas
Fantasy warplay.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Coming back.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
A reminder that News and Bruce is coming up Monday,
September twenty second. We're gonna be a BJ's Restaurant in
brew House live on Eastland Center Drive there in West Covina.
Monday the twenty second and tomorrow American Vision Windows doing
their big twenty five year anniversary grand reopening party at
their Semi Valley showroom. It's going to be from eleven
(09:09):
to three. We'll be out there. I'll be out there.
Tim Conway Junior is going to be out there. Dean
Sharp is going to be out there for some food
and fun and prizes again at celebrating American Vision Windows
twenty five years at their Semi Valley location. Would it
be weird if I shut up to not at all
if you showed up. Marco Rubio, Secretary of State, among
(09:30):
other things, talking about the American strike on a drug
boat that was making its way out of Venezuela.
Speaker 6 (09:37):
I think as long as those vessels are in the region,
and as long as the President's in the White House,
he's made very clear he's not going to allow the
United States to continue to be flooded with cocaine and
fentanyl and other drugs coming from different places. This one
from Venezuela, which it's a common route, but by the way,
some of it ends up in Europe, a lot of
it ends up in Puerto Rico and then on into
the United States.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
This is President Trump talking about the same subject.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
Venezuela has been a very bad actor. They've been as
you know, they've been sending millions of people into our country.
Many of them trend de Aragua. Some of the worst gangs,
some of the worst people anywhere in the world in
terms of gangs, and we had some in Washington, d
You see. We took care of them very quickly. But
they're out of here.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
They've gone all right.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
So yesterday a couple of F sixteens from Venezuela flew
over a US Navy warship. This, of course, follows that
strike from Tuesday. Eleven people were killed when the Navy,
we believe hit that Venezuelan boat that the Pentagon has
(10:39):
said was carrying eleven people and a bunch of drugs.
The Venezuelan F sixteens that flew over, I think it
was the USS Dunham.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
The USS Jason Dunham, USS Jason Dunham.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
They didn't do anything, but you don't get to fly
F sixteen's over an American Navy ship without being or
at least trying to send a clear message that you
didn't like what happened.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Now, and this ship was carrying more than forty five
hundred sailors and marines.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
The in response, although it may have been more of
a timing than a response, to the F sixteens. The
United States has ordered deployment of ten F thirty fives
down to Puerto Rico to conduct operations against cartels.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
This is.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Considering there's already eight massive American warships in the Caribbean
or the Pacific. As part of this increased presence there
ten F thirty fives is I mean, it's a big arsenal.
It's a huge arsenal. And those F thirty fives, in
the event that they ever had to go up against
an F sixteen from Venezuela, we would win. We would handily,
(11:46):
and we would win quickly. To use vernacular from the President,
the question I think that people are not quite are
the question that has to be asked here is are
we outside the bounds of what we do as the
United States?
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Well to that point. Rep.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Representative elon Omar, a Democrat, of course, from Minnesota, she
condemned this, saying that Congress has not declared war on
Venezuela or Trende Arragua, and the mere designation of a
group as a terrorist organization does not give any president
carte blanche to ignore Congress's clear constitutional authority on matters
of war and peace.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
So that is to your point there.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Yeah, and there are arguments that this. Well, first of all,
it goes completely against what our previous policy has been,
which is if we find boats like this that are
carrying what we believe to be drugs headed for the
United States or other territories, we interdict, we stop the boat,
(12:50):
we shoot people if we have to, but we don't
often do that. We stop the boat, we take the drugs,
we take everybody into custody, and then do a normal
court procedure. That's the way it's been done for a
very long time. This president has declared that this is
in his mind, this is a war on the United States,
this war of bringing in massive quantities of drugs that
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do nothing to help the United States and in fact
kill many people every single year. And that Venezuela, not
just the location, but Venezuela, the government is acting as
one of the largest drug cartels in the entire Western hemisphere.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Well, and the gang Trende Aragua.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
This is the same gang, if I'm not mistaken, that
took over an apartment complex in Colorado. Yeah, okay, so
there's that tie in. And then yesterday the Defense Secretary
Pete Hegseth. He defended the deadly strike, saying that the
poisoning of the American people is over, and we haven't
talked about this yet. The Defense Secretary the Department of Defense,
(13:57):
Trump yesterday said that today he is in for an
executive order to rename the Department of Defense the Department
of War.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Yeah, back in the old days, but you can't officially
do that without an Act of Congress. You can do that.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Where it's just sort of this is what we're going
to call it, sort of like the Gulf of America.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Yeah, it's one of smiler.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
It's one of those things that he I understand completely
why he's doing it.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
He wants in his description of it.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
A couple of weeks ago, when when this topic first
came up of changing the name, it seemed like it
was kind of off the top of his head, like,
wait a minute, why do we call it defense? Who
were we defending? We should be the Department of War
like we were in the old days. So there was
originally aggressive stands. Yeah, yeah, until until just after World
War two forty seven, forty eight something like that is
(14:50):
when they changed it. Because there was a there was
a feeling of this new era of peace that was
upon us, that a Department of War probably was a
little too aggressive for the times, and that we wanted
to pull back from, you know, this war that we
didn't want to have anything to do with for a
long time, World War two. We did not want to
(15:12):
get involved. And it took the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbor
for us to really get, you know, any sort of
public sentiment behind it. And even then it was still
we weren't. There wasn't there wasn't overwhelming support right away
for us to get involved.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Yeah, I mean, this is a flex for President Trump.
He wants to flex our military prowess, and this is
one way that he thinks that'll be done.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
I don't know. I don't even know if I have.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
The right to to determine my opinion on whether we
call it the Department of Defense or Department of War.
My thought is that the American military, and I've said
this many times, we don't have to show the size
of our.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Units. Perhaps that's what it's just, it's just a known thing.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
And I mean that's actually coming up also in this
The next story is about this secret Sealed Team six mission.
We do things around the world every single day. By we,
I mean the American military, which I'm not a part of,
but I have great respect for.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Do we need to change it? Is?
Speaker 3 (16:20):
It is like, is this what's going to make the
difference between terrorists liking us and not liking us? What
is it going to make a difference in the policies
that we institute when it comes to defending countries around
the world, defending our own interests around the world.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
It's just to me, it's like a silly It's a headline.
It's as it grabs headlines, we're talking about it. When
I first heard this yesterday, I thought.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Why why are we Why? Why? It's an unnecessary thing.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
It's unnecessary, just like the golf in my opinion of America.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Uh, but it's your I mean, you're right, it's a distract.
It's a flex.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
It's a guy standing in the mirror at the gym
after he rips out forty curls with you know, ten
pound weights. He's like, I'm vainy now.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
I mean, I think it would be more of a
flex if he did what he said he was going
to do on day one, and that is to end
the war in Ukraine.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Yeah, that'd be nice.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Yeah, speaking of North Korea was the site of a
Seal Team six operation that ended almost as quickly as
it began. A new report about some of the details
of that has come out today, and we'll talk about
it and we come back.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
I think eighty eight is our flashback Friday ye in
nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
I picked that. I figured it take us back back
back in time. That is very true.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Next segment, we're going to talk about Elon Musk and
the potential for him to become the we, as far
as we know, the world's first trillion air.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
What does not even mean? How many zeros? Is that many?
How many? That's four? That's twelve zero, which reminds me
power Ball just went up.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
To not We were reporting one point seven and is
now one point eight million.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I think it goes up even more by the time
they draw tomorrow night.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Tomorrow night, the entire BART system is down up in
the Bay Area.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Did you see this. I didn't see that. This morning.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
There were computer equipment problems. According to Bay Area Rapid Transit.
This is this is their version of I guess commuter
subway if you want to call it that, even though
some of the tracks are elevated, but one hundred and
eighty thousand people daily use Bay Area Rapid Transit and
to this morning they had exactly zero trains running because
(18:45):
of them.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
That does a number on the road.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Yeah, because a lot of people they'll live in the
East Bay and they'll take bart over to San Francisco and.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Without that option, Oh, work from home, work from home,
I suppose.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Weatherwise, Hurricane Kiko has been downgraded to a Category three storm.
It is continuing to move towards Hawaii, and then Loraina
has been downgraded to a tropical storm. It continues to
roll along the coast of Baja, but is probably going
to be heading out to the open ocean relatively soon.
So The New York Times has a very well put
(19:21):
together piece which might have a little bit too much information,
and regarding a twenty nineteen military operation to get a
listening device into North Korea.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
The details are incredible. It's like reading a movie script.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
And I'm sure it's going to be optioned at some point.
There's a couple of things that go on when a
major news outlet like this has details as specific as
these are.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Because this is the first time publicly reported. Yes, they
had some great intelligence. I'm sorry, they had great sources well,
and they also say, to be clear, we report and
we don't report everything that we have. But it's a
long detailed article, so it's hard to imagine what else
they know. But this is the same Seal Team six
(20:11):
Red Squadron, of course, the same unit that killed Osama
Bin Laden, and what they were up against to plant
this electronic device to be able to record communications with
Kim Jong un.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
The details are just mind blowing. If one thing goes.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Wrong, the whole thing's going well, and the retaliation dead
seals that and they have missiles that can hit the US.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
So the leading up to this, the saber rattling that
was North Korea. I mean, I don't think we were
threatening North Korea, but they were definitely threatening US. And
President Trump had made it one of his plans to
get closer to Kim Jong un. Relations seemed to be
moving a bit towards peace. North Korea was suspending nuclear
(21:00):
missile tests, negotiations had begun, but still mystery surrounding exactly
what goes on and intelligence it goes on in North Korea,
and we have such a tough time getting intelligent sources
from North Korea. We don't have a lot of listening
devices there. Literally, we don't have a lot of human
(21:22):
intelligence coming out of North Korea. So there's a huge
mystery as to what's really going on. So this plan
was to put a listening device somewhere. They don't get
into the details about what it was or what they
were going to do with it, but it was supposed
to be able to give them insight into all of
the conversations that Kim Jong un had been having leading
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up to the meeting with President Trump.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Can I get into some of these details, you get it.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
The plan called for the Navy to sneak a nuclear
powered submarine nearly two football fields long into the waters
off North Korea, and then deploy a small team of
seals and two mini subs, each about the size of
a killer whale, that would motor silently to the shore.
The mini subs were wet subs, which meant the seals
would ride immersed in forty degree ocean water for about
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two hours to reach the shore, using scuba gear and
heated suits to survive.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Now, the movie version of this is they go in,
they install the device, they get back in those mini subs,
and they go back to the Big Mama. What really
happened was the too mini subs get close to shore
and one of them overshoots the little landing spot or
stop spot, whatever you want to call it, so they
(22:41):
have to kind of do a U turn. Now you've
got too many subs facing opposite directions, and they say
basically like and we'll fix it.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
On the way out.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
They get to this seal team gets to shore and
they see nearby that there is a North Korean fishing boat.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
There appeared out of the dark.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Out of the dark because the night vision goggles that
the seal team was using looks for heat signatures, and
in this case, the wet suits that the North Koreans
were wearing were cold because the sea is cold forty degrees,
so they didn't notice those guys. Finally, and they said,
probably a third mistake of the three outside the parking
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and then not seeing these guys was the boats started
moving towards the boat. The North Korean boat started moving
towards the mini subs, and they were flashing flashlights as
if they were searching for something, they may have noticed
something right now. That leaves the Seals at this point
(23:46):
with a decision. Well, the commanding officer, whoever it had
happened to be, they thought they had been spotted.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
So when one of the North Koreans gets into the water,
what do you do?
Speaker 3 (23:58):
The Seals open fire and they shoot and kill all
of the of the North Koreans. Basically the mission is
over at that point. They're not going to be able
to plant this device. They're not going to be able
to complete it. They go back to the subs. We
don't find out about it for six years.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Yeah, they didn't plant the device, as you said.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
And in reporting this, several of the people who spoke
on anonymity to The New York Times in discussing the details,
they were concerned that special operations failures are often hidden
by government secrecy. If the public and policymakers become aware
only of high profile successes, such as the raid that
(24:40):
killed Bin Laden in Pakistan, they may underestimate the extreme
risks that American forces undertake.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Let's continue this because I want to go more into
that aspect of it.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Well, okay, you're.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Let us know. If you're listening on the app, you
can leave us at talkback. Just when you're listening to KFI.
There's a little red button with a white microphone on it,
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(25:22):
That was pretty funny. Marloteas from Fox eleven is in today.
Shannon is in Brazil for tonight's Chargers game.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
You'll hear it.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Pregame starts at four kickoff just after five o'clock tonight.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
As we start the NFL week, and we're talking to
Shannon in the twelve o'clock she'll.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Be with us in the twelve o'clock hour, which I
believe is four o'clock South Pollo time, so hopefully she'll
be up from her nap by then. We were talking
about The New York Times and their lengthy article on
a top secret Sealed Team six mission into North Korea
and the care with which they say they were reporting
(25:59):
on it. Again, The New York Times uses an entire
paragraph in their story to say that they're very careful,
they proceed cautiously when talking about classified military operations, and
The New York Times says that they withheld some sensitive
information on this mission, specifically that could affect future operations,
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could affect intelligence gathering missions, et cetera. And what I
love is the next paragraph starts with it is unclear
how much North Korea was able to discover about the mission.
I have a sneaking suspicion that someone in North Korea
has a subscription to The New York Times and they
now know a metric asketn more than they did about
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this mission.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
But when it was going on.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
You make a great point, Gary, and this mission, this
failed mission, happened just before Trump.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
We remember when Trump met with Kim Jong un.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Yeah, that was at the end of February of twenty nineteen,
and it was soon after that that North Korea resumed
missile tests.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
I have to imagine that if you're North Korea and
you know that this big, unprecedented meeting is taking place
between you, the North Korean leader, and the leader of
the Free world, and there's mysteriously bodies of fishermen on
the shore of one of the quietest parts of North Korea.
Somebody in the intelligence agency would say, well, you know,
(27:35):
if I was the Americans, this is the kind of
area that I would come into to try to sneak
into the country. And it's mysterious that these six or
however many North Koreans just happened to show up dead
with bullet holes in them.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Well, and then also the reporting notes that the reason
why the seal team said, you know what, we can
do this, and they had so much confidence, well, a,
they're seals, so this is what they do. But in
two thousand and five, the reporting shows that they used
a mini sub to go ashore in North Korea and
leave unnoticed.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
And this two.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Thousand and five operation was carried out during the presidency
of George W. Bush, has never been publicly reported either.
So now we're saying, look, we do this to you,
mister Kim Jong own.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah, you know, you can't stop it. Yeah, And that's
one of the things this has been.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
It's funny because as I was reading through this, I
couldn't tell you who wrote it or what the name
of the book was. But I love these kinds of
military thriller books, I eat them up. And there have
been multiple storylines of operations just like this into North Korea,
specifically in these novels. So whoever's writing these novels may
(28:49):
or may not have some shades of intelligence that they
know about these types of things that go on on
a regular basis.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Now, interestingly though, it also talks about sort of having
this uneven track record. And the aborted Seal mission prompted
a series of military reviews during Trump's first term, and
they found that the killing of the civilians was justified
under the rules of engagement, and that the mission was
undone by a collision of unfortunate occurrences that could not
(29:17):
have been foreseen or avoided, and the findings were classified.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
It also, and I mean to the comment that you
made right before that you read right before the break,
was about what we know about military operations, and we
always celebrate the success, right, but there are I'm sure
plenty of operations where it is on everything must go right,
and in the first instance of something going wrong, the
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mission is aborted.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Now is that a waste of money? Is it a
waste of resources? Is it a waste of time?
Speaker 3 (29:50):
We're obviously doing we obviously set up those rules so
that we protect American men and women who would be
in harm's way.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
It's got to be perfect for this.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Ac because like this also, it's not just the death
of an American soldier, sailor marine what that's not just
what could happen. It could become a major international incident.
And that's one of the reasons why we don't hear
the the failures or the aborted missions.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
And of course we only learned about what could have
been the failure when going after bidden laden when they
tried to get entry, gain entry into the compound.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Remember that the helicopter came down hard, Oh my goodness.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
And then you know they realized we actually don't have
to try that hard. There's there's there's the open gate,
and they went in.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
But that could have been the end of it right
then and there.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
And listen, we don't we don't need Pakistan angry with us.
It's probably we don't care. But they are a nuclear
armed country, so it's nice to have at least some communication.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
But God bless our military.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
And may I say for a moment I each Friday,
as uh, what's the word, I'm frivolous? No, not the
word I'm looking for, as silly, No, not the word
I'm looking for. You'll you'll help me out. You're encyclopedia.
I wear red every Friday. You're wearing red today.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
I am.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
It is Friday, and red is the acronym to remember
everyone deployed. And I've been doing it for years, and
so it may seem like inconsequential that's the word I
guess I was looking for.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
But I do it every every Friday.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
And you know, give shout outs on the air to
our military service members near and far and the families
that support them because they're a huge part of the equation.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
So this gives me an opportunity to let our.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Listeners know that I'm in red today and you can
throw on some red and just take part in the
Red Friday movement.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Oh you do, and notice.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
And it's a it's an anchor, I guess, not not
not me, not an anchor, not a news anchor, but
an actual, an actual anchor.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Gary and Shaddon will continue right after this. You've been
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