December 31, 2025 • 36 mins
Gary and Shannon share their personal stories, from Gary's failed attempt to go viral with the "Dougie" dance to Shannon's successful business ventures. The conversation touches on topics like the resurgence of nicotine pouches, the decline of public dancing, and the power of food noise.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon, and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app. I saw this article in the
Wall Street Journal, and I thought, how opro po, Because
if you didn't watch the forty nine Ers Bears game.
Many people did not watch that game, you probably missed
(00:21):
rock Perty doing the Dougie. I came in here on
Monday and I said, I think we should have Gary
do the dougie. I think it'll go viral. It'll be
a viral sensation. We'll teach him Gary can move. It'll
be a shock for most people to know that he
can dance, and it'll be fun. And then we kind
of we didn't do it. There wasn't a lot of
enthusiasm from Gary, and now I think I know why.
(00:42):
Apparently it's an epidemic. Everyone is scared to dance at
concerts and clubs because they're afraid that it will live
everywhere in the video form.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Yeah, it's if it's done poorly. You can't just express
yourself through free dance anymore.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
People critical.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yeah, another thing that just goes by the wayside. We're
just shackled by social media.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
I think you can still express yourself here if I
do on a regular basis. Good.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Just wait for you to leave the room so that
you don't have to endure because you don't appreciate the arts.
It is December thirty first looking back at twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Good morning, Gary and Shannon. I Am not even going
to bother with any of the.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Low lights, because we all feel low sometimes. But I'm
going to say that the best highlight of this year
was recognizing that, after being a survivor of domestic violence
and raising my kids as a single mom in San Diego,
that I successfully built my own cleaning business. And wow,
I'm able to sustain my family, my household and everything
(01:47):
in that sense. So let's go twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Go with this twenty twenty six. Hi, Shanon, Gary, Bye.
My highlights for twenty twenty five. We're a shoulder full
shoulder I cataract surgery and a couple shots for the psoriasis.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Now that all sounds like painfully a hard thing to
go through, but but they're all doing well.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Good, Thank goodness for the medical profession. Yes, it's wonderful.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
Happy New Year, guests, fam. This is Claire and Irvine.
A couple of days after Thanksgiving, I sent you all
talk back about how my boyfriend wanted a break, So
today I wanted to give.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
You full circle update.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
A couple of days for Thanksgiving, he decided that it
wasn't a break to break up. So that's been fun
a couple of days trying to figure that out. But
I wanted to give a special shout out to my mom,
who's helped me pick up some of the pieces and
is in fact coming to Pasadena with me tonight to
run the run with the Roses five k that run
with me.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Thanks Mom, running a five k in the rain, That's cool,
that's cool. F that guy you know that's that's five
k of F that guy that guys to mom. Yeah,
moms are great, are great, especially in breakups.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yeah, they'll talk s, but they're also careful in case
they're going to come back.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
This is their fault. How is it a mom's fault?
I don't know. People all have stories. I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
No, it's never mom's fault. It's it's time for swamp watch.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I'm a politician, which means I'm a cheat and a liar.
And when I'm not kissing babies. I'm stealing their lollipops
here we.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
Got the real problem is that our leaders are done.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
The other side never quits.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
So what what, I'm not going anywhere, So that.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Now you train the swat, I can imagine what can
be and be unburdened by what has been.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
You know, Americans have always been gone at present, but
they're not stupid.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
A political plunder is when a politician actually tells the.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Truth that people voted for you were not swamp watch.
They're all count of knowing. A couple of things going on.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Follow up to what we talked about yesterday with this
Minnesota alleged nine billion ish dollars worth of fraud that's
going on, the Trump administration says it's freezing federal childcare
funding to Minnesota because of these allegations of years long
fraud schemes that have existed in the social services system
in the state of Minnesota. Jim O'Neil is, Deputy Secretary
(04:12):
at Health and Human Services, posted in a video that
the federal government is going to impose additional national requirements
for childcare payments issued through the Administration for Children and Families,
which is a division within HHS. As of right now,
ACF sends Minnesota about one hundred and eighty five million
dollars a year in childcare funding. The Governor Tim Walls,
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who by the way, has been invited to sit before
Congress and answer a few uncomfortable questions about all of this,
says that the Trump administration is using the investigations as
an excuse to cut federal assistance programs this massive multi
year social services fraud scandal. By the way, when you
(04:54):
see write ups about this ongoing problem, very few of
them are talking about it as if it's a made
up thing. There are some people who would like to
believe that this is a made up thing. But this
has continued to unfold in Minnesota, and it seems like
every layer that we get deeper into it, it gets worse.
(05:16):
Whether it's a higher number total, the widespread nature of
how it is. If it was in fact one specific
group of people that was doing this.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Here's a problem with government fraud. If you sat down
and you went through how much people take advantage of
government programs, you would be floored.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
But who cares. Yes, certainly we all are paying for this.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
It's taxpayer dollars that are going into these people's pockets.
But because the government is so hateable and so loathsome,
it is so easy to sit back and say good
for them, good for them, to say you were able
to swindle the government. Government doesn't know what it's doing.
It should not have access to all of our money anyway.
(06:02):
You know, there's a big population that don't think the
government should have all of the money that we.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Give it, period. And so the fact that.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
It's inept at managing it, the fact that it sucks
at realizing what's in its account what should be in
its account is.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Is people sitting back and say, see, I told you.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
And that's why this stuff is able to go on
because there's not a lot of people that are screaming
in the streets.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
I can't believe this well.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
And it's so we're so easily distracted by other things,
whether it's Taylor Swift and Travis Kelcey or whatever. But
you know, we the number, the nine billion dollar number,
if that is in fact true in Minnesota, pales in
comparison to the numbers here in California. And as as
an example of it, Rocanna, the Congressman has gone after
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the fraud and abuse and waste and every scams that
have taken place in Sacramento and specifically called out Governor
Newsom for all of that sort of stuff.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
But we're so easily distracted by things.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Speaking of Governor Newsom, Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy said Newsom
is lying for saying that the state has offered an
extension for a commercial driver's license that have been found
in violation of legal authorization requirements. Back in November, DMV
notified seventeen thousand commercial driver license holders that their license
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would become void Monday on the fifth because there was
a discrepancy between their work authorization status and their legal status.
This has been one of those issues that has been
brought to light because of a series of accidents. Gavin Newsom, However,
according to Sean Duffy, this Transportation Secretary is lying. Shawn
Duffy on Twitter today said the deadline to revoke illegally
(07:44):
issued unvetted foreign trucker licenses is still January fifth. California
does not have an extension to keep breaking the law
and putting Americans at risk on the roads. Miss the deadline,
he says, and the Secretary of Transportation will stop all
of the fire including cutting nearly one hundred and sixty
million dollars in federal funding.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Politico did a fun little multiple choice quiz for What's
to Come Politics Wise in twenty twenty six, and this
is their lead question. What Washington landmark will Donald Trump
name after himself in conjunction with America's two hundred and
fiftieth birthday. I thought, what a question. Here are the selections,
(08:25):
Dallas Airport, the Dallas Airport, people movers, Arlington Memorial Bridge,
or the National Mall.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I would say the airport is the most likely. Yeah,
definitely named after a former secretary of State.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
But the bridge Arlington would lead to the Arc de Trump,
the arc that he wants to fill out.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
So then you get the bridge leading to the arc.
Get the whole Why not just.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
The Potomac, Just take the whole river. Damn idea. That's
pretty good. Nobody called me, he can call me. It's
pretty good. I'll take your call. Hey.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
A reminder that next week, at seven o'clock next Wednesday,
is a matter of fact, KFI is going to be
airing a new special La Fires one year later.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Hosted by Michael Lunks.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
It's going to include reports from our news team talking
about the fires that hit almost exactly one year ago,
their aftermath, the lasting impact, and of course how Southern
California's doing when it comes to the recot the road
to recovery. And again that's next Wednesday night, starting at
seven pm.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
TOCI was fun this year. Enjoy heard Gary and Shannon
go on sorry, say their part and then I'll finish.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
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Speaker 3 (09:51):
She was in the Grammys. If I'm not mistaken, that's
when I don't watch any of those shows.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Parents and one of the Okay, I hear your message
loud and clear.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
But I like her too. In fact, hers was one
of the top songs they said of the year. There
was I think a writer for the USA Today that
came out with their own list. Some of them were
completely awful, but DOCI had a song called Denial as
a River I think is what it was.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
I liked it very much, one of my favorite.
Speaker 7 (10:28):
Ns.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Down so good.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
We can't play a lot of it because they'll pull
the finger on the dumble thank you three?
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Or first, Oliver's the law around here?
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Cast God's are don't Oliver let us write basically burn
the place down in the last hour.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
That's a great question. Where were you, Yeah, Oliver, I
was in the other room, just smelling everything. Okay. By
the way, do you.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Know people who I don't even know how to say it,
use nicotine pouches, chew nicotine, suck on nicotine pouches?
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Do the nicotine pouch thing?
Speaker 8 (11:03):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yeah, It's a popular on the sidelines a lot of
I guess, because you can't smoke, you can't chew.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Can't chew. That's a good point too.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
I mean you can, but it's frowned upon. But city's outlaw, right,
But I mean, wink wink, nod nods. Some people still
do it. But yeah, then the zen is it zen
z zen.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
The zen pouches are very big, Yeah, and they come
in different strengths. I believe, so numbers.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
It's basically when I was reading through this article about
about nicotine patches, it was just kind of the creative
nature of the nicotine industry. I mean, we've talked about
how they pivoted from from cigarettes to processed foods. A
lot of the higher ups in the in the nicotine
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industry just changed the drug they're selling. They're changed the
thing they're trying to get everybody addicted to younger and younger,
and that's processed foods. But you know, the nicotine pouches
have kind of had this resurgence as an okay way
to do the smoking, to do the nicotine. You know,
it harkens back the headlines I'm saying about nicotine patches,
(12:15):
specifically the tech industry using nicotine patches and promoting them
and handing them out like candy to promote productivity. They
make you more productive. It harkens back to the time
when you had doctors and I don't remember this time,
but I've read about it, when you had doctors on
television smoking cigarette saying it's good for your digestion. It
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was good for your digestion. I smoked for years, bad
for your luck. I loved his cigarette after a meal.
It really did make everything just kind of sit and settle.
It was great for your digestion. It also killed you.
And so, yes, is are those nicotine pouches great for productivity? Yes,
they give you a joltus a buzz they you know,
(13:01):
a little bit of a myth there, a little meth pouch.
It makes you focused. Sure they're good at that, but
what else are they good at? Are they also still
good at killing you? Is it the same buzz that
you'd get from chewing.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
I don't know. I've never done either one of them.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I've chewed before, and it'll be if especially if you
don't do it very often.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Yeah, it'll get you pretty good, right, So I'm assume
it's the same thing.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
I'm assuming you treat the nicotine pouch the same way
you would with dip, right, you just stick it in
your lip there and then you know, spit or what
have you.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
I but it's not as gross. It's acceptable.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
It's like, you know, like I think the vape pens
and all that have caught on, certainly for the younger
people and some people who were trying to quit smoking,
But the nicotine pouches kind of scare me because they're
given the treatment like it's good for you. Yeah, you know,
the vaping was never good for you. It was just
kind of like, oh, this is a new thing to do.
Now you're seeing headlines like it ups your productivity, does it?
(14:00):
I mean, I'm sure it does, but I'm sure it
also does other harmful things.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
If it got nicotine.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
If it's a there's a good thing, there's always a
bad thing. There's nothing that comes like Eminem's. You know,
I would say there's more potential downside than would you.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Eminem put it depends on how.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Much you're packing away, how much are you how big
is your problem.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
I don't feel like I'm in a space to talk
about this.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
I think Alex Cohen started a company in Austin, Texas,
and said he was first exposed to nicotine pouchers in
the workplace after seeing tins of Zin's on the desks
of his engineers. The software engineer so his company, which
makes AI powered healthcare something something. He said, they were
so they were very productive, So I thought maybe there's
(14:48):
something here. And those engineers soon asked him if they
if he would buy nicotine for the office. Could you
imagine if we had said to our boss, hey, you
know what really cranks our creativity is like, you know,
a bottle of red wine something like that, I mean,
(15:09):
not crazy, one each per day. That's only ten bottles
of wine for the week, Like that might be something
that you guys want to look into.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
But see, it is acceptable for us to do that.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
We had an office full of liquor nobody had a
problem with.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
But the company didn't buy it for us. And that's
that's the difference between that and this.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
I mean, I guess I don't know. I think we
had some bottles in there that we didn't buy any
of it. It was bought through through the company kind
of through what we do. But I mean it's acceptable,
that's the thing. It was acceptable, Like liquor is acceptable
to have her on the office. Sure, nicotine patches now
apparently acceptable just to like, you know, but you're right
(15:51):
to your point to boost productivity, right, it'd be weird
for them to hand out liquor if you boosts productivity.
I mean, we've gotten people drunk, so they'd be fun
on the air.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
G I's in World War Two used to get cigarettes
as part of their care packages.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Very common.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Sure, Well, obviously we don't do that anymore, not that
they're not allowed to smoke, but and nicotine patches and
vaping are probably pretty high in an environment where you've
you find some way to beat the stress or stay
focused or however, take.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
A minute for yourself.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Yeah, I mean, and that was really the thing that
I that I realized about smoking is I really liked
that take five minutes for yourself kind of thing. Like
you're going crazy at work, You're work work, working, you're
on a deadline, and you're getting sound together and you know,
and it'd be like, Okay, I gotta go have a cigarette,
you know, walk outside. You know, I had that like
back you worked at KFBK, you know, I like that
(16:45):
back cubicle right like right next to KSTE And I'd
be like, Okay, I'm getting things together. I'm putting together
this story or the series or whatever. Okay, I go
out that back door right there, have my cigarette and
just have like three to four minutes of just calm,
silence and breathing. Now I'm breathing in cancer, but you're
still breathing in, breathing out. And how powerful that is
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without the cigarette, It's big deal once you realize, like, hey,
I just need to take a three minute break in
my day just to chill, move away from whatever assignment
I'm doing, or whatever you're doing around the house or
with the kids or what have you, and just breathe
and just chill for three or four minutes.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
It works just as well as a cigarette.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Did you have I think we've talked about this before,
probably multiple times, did you have a smoking section of
high school?
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Yeah, like a section right here auto shop. It's exactly
where ours was too.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah, the literally the most flammable portion of the entire campus.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Let's put people out there with cigarettes. I don't. I
don't know if they do that anymore.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
No, I don't.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
I don't think my kids ever had that.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
No, because by the time I got to high school,
it was kind of like that was the smoking section,
and people would still smoke cigarettes there, but it wasn't
it wasn't celebrated.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
It was like, hey, you can't do you know there
are times it was busy. Yeah, I mean it was busy.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
And even if you were out of class for whatever reason,
you know, you're going to the bathroom or whatever, there
were there would be people there in non break times, right,
you know, a half a dozen people standing out there smoking,
and then during breaks, whether it's lunchtime or whatever, there
would be fifty or sixty people there. Yeah, And I
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just remember that being such a weird.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I remember a couple of seniors just being like, well,
you know, I'm eighteen or whatever, you and what are
they going to do?
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Come over here and check our ideas. Now.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Obviously, the smoking, the researchers have said that the path
for quitting smoking a nicotine patch is probably your healthy
your option. It's not healthy, but it is healthier because
nicotine itself is not necessarily innocuous. High blood pressure that
puts you at high risk for heart attacks and the strokes,
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and in nicotine addicts who eventually try to stop, it
can also cause and hedonia, which is which is an
inability to experience pleasure. How all, I guess you don't
know it until it's too late.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I suppose Michelle was filling in today for Richie and
she gave us all of these paper clips because she
doesn't know.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
She doesn't know the rule, which is don't give Shannon anything.
Speaker 8 (19:24):
Throw you.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I believe it applies to the whole show because you
were throwing paper clips earlier.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
We're not allowed. This is me Jack Childs destruction.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
I don't know if you've seen war games, yeah, no, clear,
warhead fires off.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
We fire it off as well. Yeah, you already started
throwing it.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
You threw me.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
You threw paper clips at me in the last hour
you started it. Social media is killing dancing. Yeah, it's
robbing our art.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
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Speaker 8 (19:55):
Maybe if you dance like that it it would not
sit well with future you when it doesn't disappear from
the internet.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
That took a lot out of me. I didn't think,
I know.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I mean it started strong and then it got away
from you a little bit.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Well, my pants started falling off. Well, I don't think
i've felt today.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
I don't think I've seen you dance in about ten years,
and something happens, you know, in those ten years.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
I think that I've been stretching a lot lately. So
is it the flexibility that's thrown you off little? I
think it's the choreo. It's dated.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Well that I will, I will totally admit to that.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
I am like Britney Spears and Instagram.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Yeah, it's kind of my thing. But I mean, she
owns that choreo.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
You do something to that choreo paid her bills? Yes
it did, Yes, it did. Dance like nobody's watching. Everybody
has heard that old trope right, let loose.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Nobody cares. And here's the other thing, nobody is watching.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
I wish that when I although I never cared, but
people should know when they go to the club that
most of the time you can do whatever you want
to do. You want to express yourself, you want to dance,
Nobody cares. They're too worried about themselves. Do you do you?
Speaker 2 (21:19):
But I saw this just recently, within the last five weeks,
I had some relatives celebrate a twenty first birthday. And
I'm not going to get too specific, but I'll say this.
The person whose twenty first birthday was was dancing in
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a video that was taken surreptitiously. Not even surreptitiously. She
knew that she was being recorded eventually, and she's not
a great dancer. Now I'm not saying she wasn't having
a time of her life, because she told me it
was fantastic, and nobody that she was with saw her
and thought.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Hugh, at least stop moving like that.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
But she was embarrassed that the video was then sent anywhere,
even if it were just to friends and family members,
because you're just self conscious about that.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Everyone is apparently nobody's moving anymore. Tyler the Creator has
released four straight number one albums, and he said back
in July that the threat of constant surveillance is killing
dance for his generation. He wrote on Instagram, he said,
I asked some friends why they don't dance in public,
and some said because of the fear of being filmed.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
And I thought, damn. A natural form of.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Expression and a certain connection they all have with music
is now a ghost is the audience is like is
being described as at a chamber music recital with a
sizeable marijuana budget. They say, it says, the stillness isn't
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app it's self Preservation's that's too bad.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
They reference Elaine from Seinfeld and her famous dance that
I guess at the time you could say went viral
because it was so awkward, And it points to exactly
that she thought she's having a.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Great time, and she probably was. That's the thing.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
We probably all think we're better dancers than we actually
are one hundred percent. But for me, I think that
I I mean, I thought I could be on in
Living Color. I really did. And then that one and
then that one blonde girl ruined it. She got the
one blonde girl job. I didn't get it. I was
too young to get that job. But yeah, I mean
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I think and I think that's part of it is
you should have confidence, you should have fun, and you're
expressing yourself. You're having a good time, getting a good workout.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Ps. By the way, I remember.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Going out to the clubs and like being soaked with
sweat because I was dancing for like three straight hours.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
In my girl friend, I went to we went to
we my wife and I went to SKA shows and
Sacramento back in the day.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
And finally calves hurt the next day. From right, yeah
that would work. You drink less because you're constantly dancing.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yeah, but maybe maybe he'll come back, you know. I
I think of when I think of awkward people dancing,
I think of the video that Will Not Die.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
But it's so good and it.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I like it because these people are usually so buttoned
up and they're just they look goofy, but they're having
a good time. And it's that Silicon Valley video of
those guys on the stage dancing, oh the Microsoft guys. Yeah, yeah,
you know Balmer and the and it's it's awful dancing,
but it's like, how cool that like guys that are
usually just nerds and you know, into just being nerds
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can just let loose like that on stage and not
have a care in the world.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
And proof that it is just an innate thing in
human beings. That's one of the ways that we would
express ourselves. Is I'm moving like that, right, not like this?
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Do you want to learn Thunderstruck in the break and
perform it?
Speaker 3 (25:05):
No? For a video?
Speaker 7 (25:07):
No?
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Because do you know what would happen to me? Just
to give you an idea.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
You've been stretching your handlet Yes, yeah, I have, but
I would do something wrong and I would pop a hamstring,
and I would try to drive to Arizona to do
baseball for a week and they're like, hey, you're a
little tender on that left side.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
What's going on?
Speaker 2 (25:24):
And I go, well, my friend was trying to teach
me Thunderstruck by the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders. And guess what,
I am not a Dallas Cowboy cheerleader.
Speaker 7 (25:34):
Good morning, Gary and Shannon Vanessa from the oc here.
Highlight of the year is I got a new job.
I was a stay at home mom for eighteen years.
The kids are older now, so I went back to work.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
Low light of the year.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
I went back to work. There you go. Let us
know what your highlights. Hi, guys, Happy New Year.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
So this year I lost one hundred and eighty five pound.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Whoa, I showed that bastard at the door. Happy New Year.
Oh guy, dude, it took me a while.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
It took me longer than it should have to zero
two Yeah, that took me too long too.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
How far past.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
The If you miss Michael's cleansing of Deborah Mark that
sounds weird, but if you know, you know. We posted
it on Instagram at Gary and Shannon and at one
point he says, now, I want you to think of
this number, these numbers to zero two six, and Debora
and I both were like, okay, to zero two six.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
And Gary goes, that's the year, you guys.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Oh, Happy New Year, Gary and Shannon By Bob from
Pasadena formerly out Didino.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Hey Bob.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Our low light for the year was definitely losing our house.
Speaker 6 (26:48):
In the fire.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Oh yeah, but it was well.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Made up for by all the family.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
And friends who gave us support. Well we really needed it.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Plus the biggest highlight of the year our.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
First grand daughter.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Oh god, she is so freaking cute. Yeah, I love
you guys. Hard to beat that.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah, when are you going to have a grandchild? Maybe
this year? Boy, I'm just kidding, it's not time yet.
You know how many times you'd have to babysit if
you wish anything like that?
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Can't wait.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
I'm super excited for whoever brings a baby into our lives.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Oliver. How close are you to getting married? Give me
about five years? Five years? Okay, thank you, that's good.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
All right, Well, technically you're on the clock. You know
that now, now that you've announced a time.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Oh, that's fine. I'd want to do sooner, but I know, yeah,
I'm waiting for her. But I mean, you could just
put a baby in there.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Yeah, let's get a break, all right.
Speaker 6 (27:51):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
I just want to bring this up. It was brought
up earlier in the show someone's favorite moment.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Of Oh this is going to cause me pain. It
was May eighth.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
It was right at the beginning of the show when
we saw smoke coming out of the Systeine Chapanee.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Oh, there's smoke coming from the Systeine chair. Is that white?
It's hard to say that's white. Bro, No, that is relax.
Relax until bro, that's white. I say they are cheering.
There's people cheering that is white. That is white. Smoke.
Well it's not. You can't even here.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
I don't remember exactly how it goes from this point.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Oh I do we get a new pope up in here?
God an idiot. A few minutes later, we're.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
The one point four billion Catholics out there, we have
a new pope.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Yes, we don't know who he is. Will he from America?
Speaker 5 (29:02):
No?
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Will he be from France? Probably? Okay? But then an
hour later, Oh, wait, we got it. It's us. We
got it.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
It's the Cardinal Robert Provost of the United States.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Wow, holy crap, you guys, we what That's not how
it works.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness, this is huge.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
So I don't think there's anything that really encapsulates this
show more than what we just did. Because a we
were on top of absolute breaking news. It was happening
in the moments that we were talking about it.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
I think we do that.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Well, you get things right and I tell you you're wrong.
I told you to relax. Calm down is basically what
I said, And you were a thousand percent right, and
then you were one thousand percent wrong when you said
it wouldn't be an American, and then when it was
an American, you draped yourself off of the American flag
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and said we won. I think that's a good encapsulation
of our year.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
There was a lot going on there.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
I think because it was April, there were no sports on.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah, right, well baseball it started, but it was it
was in early May, so it was.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Spring training really the beginning, the beginning of the season
month in full month in point. I needed some sort
of blood. I think I needed some sort of victory
in tough time of year. But what an ass, What
an absolute ass. I am thank you for highlighting that.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Oh it wasn't me.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Somebody else just reminded me that that was part of
their favorite.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
But it is.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
It is nice to hear sheer joy, and I was
clearly very joyful.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Do you know what food noise is?
Speaker 2 (30:48):
I think we all you mentioned food noise this morning
when you were referring to the thoughts of having an
entire box of cheese. It's later today, Yeah, and I
just turned up the a little bit when I.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Said that for you. Yeah, the food noise is.
Speaker 7 (31:07):
Tough.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
University talks about it as a NonStop mental conversation about food.
It doesn't shut up. And in some people the drive
is very, very strong. It drives a person to eat
when they're not hungry, to obsess over meals they've had
or will have, and to feel shame or guilt about
sometimes their eating habits.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Oprah Winfrey, I think we can all agree, is a
great person to listen to when it comes to diets.
We've all seen her go up and down and up
and down and try everything our whole lives. She's talked
about weight loss and weight gain. Remember when she had
that whole wagon full of how all thes that she
(31:51):
had lost? And she says, this time around, it is
different because of the lack of that food noise. You
were talking about the GLP ones signed lens that food noise.
And the headline is for Oprah, a croissant is now
just a croissant. You're not obsessing about the croissant. And
I love this because a croissant is exactly where my
(32:12):
food noise will begin in the morning. Because I love
a croissant and it's not just a croissant, right, It
goes with the whole thing like, well, do you really
need a croissant?
Speaker 3 (32:24):
No, I don't need it, but that's not the point
kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
And you start like having these conversations in your head
of like, well there's no there's no real nutrients in
a croissant, Like what are you even getting out of that?
Speaker 7 (32:33):
You know?
Speaker 1 (32:34):
And if she can just have a croissant and just
have their croissant, that to me is huge.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
It becomes it becomes utilitarian. I mean, you need food.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Everybody needs food, right, but you're not thinking of it
with all the extra baggage that comes along with it.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Like I never want to be one of those people
who just considers food to be fuel, like just treats
it as fuel. I just need some fuel in the
tank so I can get this machine going.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Just see neutral of at that point, if that's what
you're Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
I remember I interviewed Jack Lalaine before he died, and
it was so cool and he before he died, yeah,
as opposed to after, you're right, what a dumb thing
to say? And and as evidenced, I say dumb things
all the time. And he said the whole thing and correct, No,
that's okay. And he said something to the if it
(33:26):
tastes good, spit it out, and I remember thinking, yeah,
he's in great shape. Yeah he's got perfect body. Everything
is perfectly done. But I never want to think, oh,
if it tastes good, spit it out. Like that sounds
like a joyless eating life.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Also, where is he now? He's dead, but he died
at like nineties. Well true, I mean he was in
extra eating.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
But uh, but you know, there's a there's a happy
medium between food is fuel and that's it only and
if it tastes good, spit it out and obsessing over
a croissant.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Right, there's a nice little middle area there.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
One of the things that's come out about these DLP
ones as well is that this it has the same
impact on It's not just it's not just the obsession
over food.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
It's the obsession over stuff that you can ingest.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Because a lot of alcoholics are people who thought they
had alcohol issues or thought about alcohol. A lot say
that's one of the things that they also don't think
about anymore. They're not drawn to it, they don't think
about it. It's not a deal. They don't think about
the last time they blacked out. They don't think about
the next time they're going to have a beer. It
just removes that layer of thinking to whatever they happen
(34:35):
to be doing.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
What a magical thing.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Yeah, and for you know, there are plenty of people
we talk about the potential side effects. There are obviously
plenty of people who are on these They don't have
the negative side effects that can be associated with them,
and so they get the all the benefit without the downside.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Well, and like food or alcohol or drugs, it's like
so many people out on the outside looking in, go, well,
where's your willpower?
Speaker 3 (34:59):
It's like, well, that's not a thing, and my brain
chemistry is different. Yeah, it's not that. That's not what
it's not.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
It's not what's missing. Yeah, okay, what else do we
have here? Oh my god, look at that?
Speaker 3 (35:11):
What happened? It is noon already.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
It is the last high noon or noon of this
year right now, right now, well not right now, in
about two minutes specifically, but we're getting close.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
Dance you want to do? I don't know, careful moving.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
That thing, but okay, see now, and we just did
the food stuff.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
I didn't bring up cheese. It's you did. Gary and
Shannon will continue, I'm not going to be as nice
to you when she leaves you.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Right after this, you've been listening to The Gary and
Shannon Show. You can always hear us live on KFI
AM six forty nine am to one pm every Monday
through Friday, and anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app
This is Gary and Shannon, and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app. I saw this article in the
Wall Street Journal, and I thought, how opro po, Because
if you didn't watch the forty nine Ers Bears game.
Many people did not watch that game, you probably missed
(00:21):
rock Perty doing the Dougie. I came in here on
Monday and I said, I think we should have Gary
do the dougie. I think it'll go viral. It'll be
a viral sensation. We'll teach him Gary can move. It'll
be a shock for most people to know that he
can dance, and it'll be fun. And then we kind
of we didn't do it. There wasn't a lot of
enthusiasm from Gary, and now I think I know why.
(00:42):
Apparently it's an epidemic. Everyone is scared to dance at
concerts and clubs because they're afraid that it will live
everywhere in the video form.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Yeah, it's if it's done poorly. You can't just express
yourself through free dance anymore.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
People critical.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yeah, another thing that just goes by the wayside. We're
just shackled by social media.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
I think you can still express yourself here if I
do on a regular basis. Good.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Just wait for you to leave the room so that
you don't have to endure because you don't appreciate the arts.
It is December thirty first looking back at twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Good morning, Gary and Shannon. I Am not even going
to bother with any of the.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Low lights, because we all feel low sometimes. But I'm
going to say that the best highlight of this year
was recognizing that, after being a survivor of domestic violence
and raising my kids as a single mom in San Diego,
that I successfully built my own cleaning business. And wow,
I'm able to sustain my family, my household and everything
(01:47):
in that sense. So let's go twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Go with this twenty twenty six. Hi, Shanon, Gary, Bye.
My highlights for twenty twenty five. We're a shoulder full
shoulder I cataract surgery and a couple shots for the psoriasis.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Now that all sounds like painfully a hard thing to
go through, but but they're all doing well.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Good, Thank goodness for the medical profession. Yes, it's wonderful.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
Happy New Year, guests, fam. This is Claire and Irvine.
A couple of days after Thanksgiving, I sent you all
talk back about how my boyfriend wanted a break, So
today I wanted to give.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
You full circle update.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
A couple of days for Thanksgiving, he decided that it
wasn't a break to break up. So that's been fun
a couple of days trying to figure that out. But
I wanted to give a special shout out to my mom,
who's helped me pick up some of the pieces and
is in fact coming to Pasadena with me tonight to
run the run with the Roses five k that run
with me.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Thanks Mom, running a five k in the rain, That's cool,
that's cool. F that guy you know that's that's five
k of F that guy that guys to mom. Yeah,
moms are great, are great, especially in breakups.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yeah, they'll talk s, but they're also careful in case
they're going to come back.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
This is their fault. How is it a mom's fault?
I don't know. People all have stories. I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
No, it's never mom's fault. It's it's time for swamp watch.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I'm a politician, which means I'm a cheat and a liar.
And when I'm not kissing babies. I'm stealing their lollipops
here we.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
Got the real problem is that our leaders are done.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
The other side never quits.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
So what what, I'm not going anywhere, So that.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Now you train the swat, I can imagine what can
be and be unburdened by what has been.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
You know, Americans have always been gone at present, but
they're not stupid.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
A political plunder is when a politician actually tells the.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Truth that people voted for you were not swamp watch.
They're all count of knowing. A couple of things going on.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Follow up to what we talked about yesterday with this
Minnesota alleged nine billion ish dollars worth of fraud that's
going on, the Trump administration says it's freezing federal childcare
funding to Minnesota because of these allegations of years long
fraud schemes that have existed in the social services system
in the state of Minnesota. Jim O'Neil is, Deputy Secretary
(04:12):
at Health and Human Services, posted in a video that
the federal government is going to impose additional national requirements
for childcare payments issued through the Administration for Children and Families,
which is a division within HHS. As of right now,
ACF sends Minnesota about one hundred and eighty five million
dollars a year in childcare funding. The Governor Tim Walls,
(04:34):
who by the way, has been invited to sit before
Congress and answer a few uncomfortable questions about all of this,
says that the Trump administration is using the investigations as
an excuse to cut federal assistance programs this massive multi
year social services fraud scandal. By the way, when you
(04:54):
see write ups about this ongoing problem, very few of
them are talking about it as if it's a made
up thing. There are some people who would like to
believe that this is a made up thing. But this
has continued to unfold in Minnesota, and it seems like
every layer that we get deeper into it, it gets worse.
(05:16):
Whether it's a higher number total, the widespread nature of
how it is. If it was in fact one specific
group of people that was doing this.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Here's a problem with government fraud. If you sat down
and you went through how much people take advantage of
government programs, you would be floored.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
But who cares. Yes, certainly we all are paying for this.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
It's taxpayer dollars that are going into these people's pockets.
But because the government is so hateable and so loathsome,
it is so easy to sit back and say good
for them, good for them, to say you were able
to swindle the government. Government doesn't know what it's doing.
It should not have access to all of our money anyway.
(06:02):
You know, there's a big population that don't think the
government should have all of the money that we.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Give it, period. And so the fact that.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
It's inept at managing it, the fact that it sucks
at realizing what's in its account what should be in
its account is.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Is people sitting back and say, see, I told you.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
And that's why this stuff is able to go on
because there's not a lot of people that are screaming
in the streets.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
I can't believe this well.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
And it's so we're so easily distracted by other things,
whether it's Taylor Swift and Travis Kelcey or whatever. But
you know, we the number, the nine billion dollar number,
if that is in fact true in Minnesota, pales in
comparison to the numbers here in California. And as as
an example of it, Rocanna, the Congressman has gone after
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the fraud and abuse and waste and every scams that
have taken place in Sacramento and specifically called out Governor
Newsom for all of that sort of stuff.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
But we're so easily distracted by things.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Speaking of Governor Newsom, Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy said Newsom
is lying for saying that the state has offered an
extension for a commercial driver's license that have been found
in violation of legal authorization requirements. Back in November, DMV
notified seventeen thousand commercial driver license holders that their license
(07:22):
would become void Monday on the fifth because there was
a discrepancy between their work authorization status and their legal status.
This has been one of those issues that has been
brought to light because of a series of accidents. Gavin Newsom, However,
according to Sean Duffy, this Transportation Secretary is lying. Shawn
Duffy on Twitter today said the deadline to revoke illegally
(07:44):
issued unvetted foreign trucker licenses is still January fifth. California
does not have an extension to keep breaking the law
and putting Americans at risk on the roads. Miss the deadline,
he says, and the Secretary of Transportation will stop all
of the fire including cutting nearly one hundred and sixty
million dollars in federal funding.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Politico did a fun little multiple choice quiz for What's
to Come Politics Wise in twenty twenty six, and this
is their lead question. What Washington landmark will Donald Trump
name after himself in conjunction with America's two hundred and
fiftieth birthday. I thought, what a question. Here are the selections,
(08:25):
Dallas Airport, the Dallas Airport, people movers, Arlington Memorial Bridge,
or the National Mall.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I would say the airport is the most likely. Yeah,
definitely named after a former secretary of State.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
But the bridge Arlington would lead to the Arc de Trump,
the arc that he wants to fill out.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
So then you get the bridge leading to the arc.
Get the whole Why not just.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
The Potomac, Just take the whole river. Damn idea. That's
pretty good. Nobody called me, he can call me. It's
pretty good. I'll take your call. Hey.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
A reminder that next week, at seven o'clock next Wednesday,
is a matter of fact, KFI is going to be
airing a new special La Fires one year later.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Hosted by Michael Lunks.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
It's going to include reports from our news team talking
about the fires that hit almost exactly one year ago,
their aftermath, the lasting impact, and of course how Southern
California's doing when it comes to the recot the road
to recovery. And again that's next Wednesday night, starting at
seven pm.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
TOCI was fun this year. Enjoy heard Gary and Shannon
go on sorry, say their part and then I'll finish.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Okay, Gary and Shannon kf I AM six forty live
everywhere on the iHeartRadio app We are Live Today.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
She was in the Grammys. If I'm not mistaken, that's
when I don't watch any of those shows.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Parents and one of the Okay, I hear your message
loud and clear.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
But I like her too. In fact, hers was one
of the top songs they said of the year. There
was I think a writer for the USA Today that
came out with their own list. Some of them were
completely awful, but DOCI had a song called Denial as
a River I think is what it was.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
I liked it very much, one of my favorite.
Speaker 7 (10:28):
Ns.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Down so good.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
We can't play a lot of it because they'll pull
the finger on the dumble thank you three?
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Or first, Oliver's the law around here?
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Cast God's are don't Oliver let us write basically burn
the place down in the last hour.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
That's a great question. Where were you, Yeah, Oliver, I
was in the other room, just smelling everything. Okay. By
the way, do you.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Know people who I don't even know how to say it,
use nicotine pouches, chew nicotine, suck on nicotine pouches?
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Do the nicotine pouch thing?
Speaker 8 (11:03):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yeah, It's a popular on the sidelines a lot of
I guess, because you can't smoke, you can't chew.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Can't chew. That's a good point too.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
I mean you can, but it's frowned upon. But city's outlaw, right,
But I mean, wink wink, nod nods. Some people still
do it. But yeah, then the zen is it zen
z zen.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
The zen pouches are very big, Yeah, and they come
in different strengths. I believe, so numbers.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
It's basically when I was reading through this article about
about nicotine patches, it was just kind of the creative
nature of the nicotine industry. I mean, we've talked about
how they pivoted from from cigarettes to processed foods. A
lot of the higher ups in the in the nicotine
(11:51):
industry just changed the drug they're selling. They're changed the
thing they're trying to get everybody addicted to younger and younger,
and that's processed foods. But you know, the nicotine pouches
have kind of had this resurgence as an okay way
to do the smoking, to do the nicotine. You know,
it harkens back the headlines I'm saying about nicotine patches,
(12:15):
specifically the tech industry using nicotine patches and promoting them
and handing them out like candy to promote productivity. They
make you more productive. It harkens back to the time
when you had doctors and I don't remember this time,
but I've read about it, when you had doctors on
television smoking cigarette saying it's good for your digestion. It
(12:36):
was good for your digestion. I smoked for years, bad
for your luck. I loved his cigarette after a meal.
It really did make everything just kind of sit and settle.
It was great for your digestion. It also killed you.
And so, yes, is are those nicotine pouches great for productivity? Yes,
they give you a joltus a buzz they you know,
(13:01):
a little bit of a myth there, a little meth pouch.
It makes you focused. Sure they're good at that, but
what else are they good at? Are they also still
good at killing you? Is it the same buzz that
you'd get from chewing.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
I don't know. I've never done either one of them.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I've chewed before, and it'll be if especially if you
don't do it very often.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Yeah, it'll get you pretty good, right, So I'm assume
it's the same thing.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
I'm assuming you treat the nicotine pouch the same way
you would with dip, right, you just stick it in
your lip there and then you know, spit or what
have you.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
I but it's not as gross. It's acceptable.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
It's like, you know, like I think the vape pens
and all that have caught on, certainly for the younger
people and some people who were trying to quit smoking,
But the nicotine pouches kind of scare me because they're
given the treatment like it's good for you. Yeah, you know,
the vaping was never good for you. It was just
kind of like, oh, this is a new thing to do.
Now you're seeing headlines like it ups your productivity, does it?
(14:00):
I mean, I'm sure it does, but I'm sure it
also does other harmful things.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
If it got nicotine.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
If it's a there's a good thing, there's always a
bad thing. There's nothing that comes like Eminem's. You know,
I would say there's more potential downside than would you.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Eminem put it depends on how.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Much you're packing away, how much are you how big
is your problem.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
I don't feel like I'm in a space to talk
about this.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
I think Alex Cohen started a company in Austin, Texas,
and said he was first exposed to nicotine pouchers in
the workplace after seeing tins of Zin's on the desks
of his engineers. The software engineer so his company, which
makes AI powered healthcare something something. He said, they were
so they were very productive, So I thought maybe there's
(14:48):
something here. And those engineers soon asked him if they
if he would buy nicotine for the office. Could you
imagine if we had said to our boss, hey, you
know what really cranks our creativity is like, you know,
a bottle of red wine something like that, I mean,
(15:09):
not crazy, one each per day. That's only ten bottles
of wine for the week, Like that might be something
that you guys want to look into.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
But see, it is acceptable for us to do that.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
We had an office full of liquor nobody had a
problem with.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
But the company didn't buy it for us. And that's
that's the difference between that and this.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
I mean, I guess I don't know. I think we
had some bottles in there that we didn't buy any
of it. It was bought through through the company kind
of through what we do. But I mean it's acceptable,
that's the thing. It was acceptable, Like liquor is acceptable
to have her on the office. Sure, nicotine patches now
apparently acceptable just to like, you know, but you're right
(15:51):
to your point to boost productivity, right, it'd be weird
for them to hand out liquor if you boosts productivity.
I mean, we've gotten people drunk, so they'd be fun
on the air.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
G I's in World War Two used to get cigarettes
as part of their care packages.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Very common.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Sure, Well, obviously we don't do that anymore, not that
they're not allowed to smoke, but and nicotine patches and
vaping are probably pretty high in an environment where you've
you find some way to beat the stress or stay
focused or however, take.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
A minute for yourself.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Yeah, I mean, and that was really the thing that
I that I realized about smoking is I really liked
that take five minutes for yourself kind of thing. Like
you're going crazy at work, You're work work, working, you're
on a deadline, and you're getting sound together and you know,
and it'd be like, Okay, I gotta go have a cigarette,
you know, walk outside. You know, I had that like
back you worked at KFBK, you know, I like that
(16:45):
back cubicle right like right next to KSTE And I'd
be like, Okay, I'm getting things together. I'm putting together
this story or the series or whatever. Okay, I go
out that back door right there, have my cigarette and
just have like three to four minutes of just calm,
silence and breathing. Now I'm breathing in cancer, but you're
still breathing in, breathing out. And how powerful that is
(17:08):
without the cigarette, It's big deal once you realize, like, hey,
I just need to take a three minute break in
my day just to chill, move away from whatever assignment
I'm doing, or whatever you're doing around the house or
with the kids or what have you, and just breathe
and just chill for three or four minutes.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
It works just as well as a cigarette.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Did you have I think we've talked about this before,
probably multiple times, did you have a smoking section of
high school?
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Yeah, like a section right here auto shop. It's exactly
where ours was too.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah, the literally the most flammable portion of the entire campus.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Let's put people out there with cigarettes. I don't. I
don't know if they do that anymore.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
No, I don't.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
I don't think my kids ever had that.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
No, because by the time I got to high school,
it was kind of like that was the smoking section,
and people would still smoke cigarettes there, but it wasn't
it wasn't celebrated.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
It was like, hey, you can't do you know there
are times it was busy. Yeah, I mean it was busy.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
And even if you were out of class for whatever reason,
you know, you're going to the bathroom or whatever, there
were there would be people there in non break times, right,
you know, a half a dozen people standing out there smoking,
and then during breaks, whether it's lunchtime or whatever, there
would be fifty or sixty people there. Yeah, And I
(18:24):
just remember that being such a weird.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I remember a couple of seniors just being like, well,
you know, I'm eighteen or whatever, you and what are
they going to do?
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Come over here and check our ideas. Now.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Obviously, the smoking, the researchers have said that the path
for quitting smoking a nicotine patch is probably your healthy
your option. It's not healthy, but it is healthier because
nicotine itself is not necessarily innocuous. High blood pressure that
puts you at high risk for heart attacks and the strokes,
(18:54):
and in nicotine addicts who eventually try to stop, it
can also cause and hedonia, which is which is an
inability to experience pleasure. How all, I guess you don't
know it until it's too late.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I suppose Michelle was filling in today for Richie and
she gave us all of these paper clips because she
doesn't know.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
She doesn't know the rule, which is don't give Shannon anything.
Speaker 8 (19:24):
Throw you.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I believe it applies to the whole show because you
were throwing paper clips earlier.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
We're not allowed. This is me Jack Childs destruction.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
I don't know if you've seen war games, yeah, no, clear,
warhead fires off.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
We fire it off as well. Yeah, you already started
throwing it.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
You threw me.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
You threw paper clips at me in the last hour
you started it. Social media is killing dancing. Yeah, it's
robbing our art.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 8 (19:55):
Maybe if you dance like that it it would not
sit well with future you when it doesn't disappear from
the internet.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
That took a lot out of me. I didn't think,
I know.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I mean it started strong and then it got away
from you a little bit.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Well, my pants started falling off. Well, I don't think
i've felt today.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
I don't think I've seen you dance in about ten years,
and something happens, you know, in those ten years.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
I think that I've been stretching a lot lately. So
is it the flexibility that's thrown you off little? I
think it's the choreo. It's dated.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Well that I will, I will totally admit to that.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
I am like Britney Spears and Instagram.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Yeah, it's kind of my thing. But I mean, she
owns that choreo.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
You do something to that choreo paid her bills? Yes
it did, Yes, it did. Dance like nobody's watching. Everybody
has heard that old trope right, let loose.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Nobody cares. And here's the other thing, nobody is watching.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
I wish that when I although I never cared, but
people should know when they go to the club that
most of the time you can do whatever you want
to do. You want to express yourself, you want to dance,
Nobody cares. They're too worried about themselves. Do you do you?
Speaker 2 (21:19):
But I saw this just recently, within the last five weeks,
I had some relatives celebrate a twenty first birthday. And
I'm not going to get too specific, but I'll say this.
The person whose twenty first birthday was was dancing in
(21:39):
a video that was taken surreptitiously. Not even surreptitiously. She
knew that she was being recorded eventually, and she's not
a great dancer. Now I'm not saying she wasn't having
a time of her life, because she told me it
was fantastic, and nobody that she was with saw her
and thought.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Hugh, at least stop moving like that.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
But she was embarrassed that the video was then sent anywhere,
even if it were just to friends and family members,
because you're just self conscious about that.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Everyone is apparently nobody's moving anymore. Tyler the Creator has
released four straight number one albums, and he said back
in July that the threat of constant surveillance is killing
dance for his generation. He wrote on Instagram, he said,
I asked some friends why they don't dance in public,
and some said because of the fear of being filmed.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
And I thought, damn. A natural form of.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Expression and a certain connection they all have with music
is now a ghost is the audience is like is
being described as at a chamber music recital with a
sizeable marijuana budget. They say, it says, the stillness isn't
(22:59):
app it's self Preservation's that's too bad.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
They reference Elaine from Seinfeld and her famous dance that
I guess at the time you could say went viral
because it was so awkward, And it points to exactly
that she thought she's having a.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Great time, and she probably was. That's the thing.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
We probably all think we're better dancers than we actually
are one hundred percent. But for me, I think that
I I mean, I thought I could be on in
Living Color. I really did. And then that one and
then that one blonde girl ruined it. She got the
one blonde girl job. I didn't get it. I was
too young to get that job. But yeah, I mean
(23:45):
I think and I think that's part of it is
you should have confidence, you should have fun, and you're
expressing yourself. You're having a good time, getting a good workout.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Ps. By the way, I remember.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Going out to the clubs and like being soaked with
sweat because I was dancing for like three straight hours.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
In my girl friend, I went to we went to
we my wife and I went to SKA shows and
Sacramento back in the day.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
And finally calves hurt the next day. From right, yeah
that would work. You drink less because you're constantly dancing.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yeah, but maybe maybe he'll come back, you know. I
I think of when I think of awkward people dancing,
I think of the video that Will Not Die.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
But it's so good and it.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I like it because these people are usually so buttoned
up and they're just they look goofy, but they're having
a good time. And it's that Silicon Valley video of
those guys on the stage dancing, oh the Microsoft guys. Yeah, yeah,
you know Balmer and the and it's it's awful dancing,
but it's like, how cool that like guys that are
usually just nerds and you know, into just being nerds
(24:50):
can just let loose like that on stage and not
have a care in the world.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
And proof that it is just an innate thing in
human beings. That's one of the ways that we would
express ourselves. Is I'm moving like that, right, not like this?
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Do you want to learn Thunderstruck in the break and
perform it?
Speaker 3 (25:05):
No? For a video?
Speaker 7 (25:07):
No?
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Because do you know what would happen to me? Just
to give you an idea.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
You've been stretching your handlet Yes, yeah, I have, but
I would do something wrong and I would pop a hamstring,
and I would try to drive to Arizona to do
baseball for a week and they're like, hey, you're a
little tender on that left side.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
What's going on?
Speaker 2 (25:24):
And I go, well, my friend was trying to teach
me Thunderstruck by the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders. And guess what,
I am not a Dallas Cowboy cheerleader.
Speaker 7 (25:34):
Good morning, Gary and Shannon Vanessa from the oc here.
Highlight of the year is I got a new job.
I was a stay at home mom for eighteen years.
The kids are older now, so I went back to work.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
Low light of the year.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
I went back to work. There you go. Let us
know what your highlights. Hi, guys, Happy New Year.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
So this year I lost one hundred and eighty five pound.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Whoa, I showed that bastard at the door. Happy New Year.
Oh guy, dude, it took me a while.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
It took me longer than it should have to zero
two Yeah, that took me too long too.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
How far past.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
The If you miss Michael's cleansing of Deborah Mark that
sounds weird, but if you know, you know. We posted
it on Instagram at Gary and Shannon and at one
point he says, now, I want you to think of
this number, these numbers to zero two six, and Debora
and I both were like, okay, to zero two six.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
And Gary goes, that's the year, you guys.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Oh, Happy New Year, Gary and Shannon By Bob from
Pasadena formerly out Didino.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Hey Bob.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Our low light for the year was definitely losing our house.
Speaker 6 (26:48):
In the fire.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Oh yeah, but it was well.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Made up for by all the family.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
And friends who gave us support. Well we really needed it.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Plus the biggest highlight of the year our.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
First grand daughter.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Oh god, she is so freaking cute. Yeah, I love
you guys. Hard to beat that.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah, when are you going to have a grandchild? Maybe
this year? Boy, I'm just kidding, it's not time yet.
You know how many times you'd have to babysit if
you wish anything like that?
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Can't wait.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
I'm super excited for whoever brings a baby into our lives.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Oliver. How close are you to getting married? Give me
about five years? Five years? Okay, thank you, that's good.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
All right, Well, technically you're on the clock. You know
that now, now that you've announced a time.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Oh, that's fine. I'd want to do sooner, but I know, yeah,
I'm waiting for her. But I mean, you could just
put a baby in there.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Yeah, let's get a break, all right.
Speaker 6 (27:51):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
I just want to bring this up. It was brought
up earlier in the show someone's favorite moment.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Of Oh this is going to cause me pain. It
was May eighth.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
It was right at the beginning of the show when
we saw smoke coming out of the Systeine Chapanee.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Oh, there's smoke coming from the Systeine chair. Is that white?
It's hard to say that's white. Bro, No, that is relax.
Relax until bro, that's white. I say they are cheering.
There's people cheering that is white. That is white. Smoke.
Well it's not. You can't even here.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
I don't remember exactly how it goes from this point.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Oh I do we get a new pope up in here?
God an idiot. A few minutes later, we're.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
The one point four billion Catholics out there, we have
a new pope.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Yes, we don't know who he is. Will he from America?
Speaker 5 (29:02):
No?
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Will he be from France? Probably? Okay? But then an
hour later, Oh, wait, we got it. It's us. We
got it.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
It's the Cardinal Robert Provost of the United States.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Wow, holy crap, you guys, we what That's not how
it works.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness, this is huge.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
So I don't think there's anything that really encapsulates this
show more than what we just did. Because a we
were on top of absolute breaking news. It was happening
in the moments that we were talking about it.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
I think we do that.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Well, you get things right and I tell you you're wrong.
I told you to relax. Calm down is basically what
I said, And you were a thousand percent right, and
then you were one thousand percent wrong when you said
it wouldn't be an American, and then when it was
an American, you draped yourself off of the American flag
(30:01):
and said we won. I think that's a good encapsulation
of our year.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
There was a lot going on there.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
I think because it was April, there were no sports on.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah, right, well baseball it started, but it was it
was in early May, so it was.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Spring training really the beginning, the beginning of the season
month in full month in point. I needed some sort
of blood. I think I needed some sort of victory
in tough time of year. But what an ass, What
an absolute ass. I am thank you for highlighting that.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Oh it wasn't me.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Somebody else just reminded me that that was part of
their favorite.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
But it is.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
It is nice to hear sheer joy, and I was
clearly very joyful.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Do you know what food noise is?
Speaker 2 (30:48):
I think we all you mentioned food noise this morning
when you were referring to the thoughts of having an
entire box of cheese. It's later today, Yeah, and I
just turned up the a little bit when I.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Said that for you. Yeah, the food noise is.
Speaker 7 (31:07):
Tough.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
University talks about it as a NonStop mental conversation about food.
It doesn't shut up. And in some people the drive
is very, very strong. It drives a person to eat
when they're not hungry, to obsess over meals they've had
or will have, and to feel shame or guilt about
sometimes their eating habits.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Oprah Winfrey, I think we can all agree, is a
great person to listen to when it comes to diets.
We've all seen her go up and down and up
and down and try everything our whole lives. She's talked
about weight loss and weight gain. Remember when she had
that whole wagon full of how all thes that she
(31:51):
had lost? And she says, this time around, it is
different because of the lack of that food noise. You
were talking about the GLP ones signed lens that food noise.
And the headline is for Oprah, a croissant is now
just a croissant. You're not obsessing about the croissant. And
I love this because a croissant is exactly where my
(32:12):
food noise will begin in the morning. Because I love
a croissant and it's not just a croissant, right, It
goes with the whole thing like, well, do you really
need a croissant?
Speaker 3 (32:24):
No, I don't need it, but that's not the point
kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
And you start like having these conversations in your head
of like, well there's no there's no real nutrients in
a croissant, Like what are you even getting out of that?
Speaker 7 (32:33):
You know?
Speaker 1 (32:34):
And if she can just have a croissant and just
have their croissant, that to me is huge.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
It becomes it becomes utilitarian. I mean, you need food.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Everybody needs food, right, but you're not thinking of it
with all the extra baggage that comes along with it.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Like I never want to be one of those people
who just considers food to be fuel, like just treats
it as fuel. I just need some fuel in the
tank so I can get this machine going.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Just see neutral of at that point, if that's what
you're Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
I remember I interviewed Jack Lalaine before he died, and
it was so cool and he before he died, yeah,
as opposed to after, you're right, what a dumb thing
to say? And and as evidenced, I say dumb things
all the time. And he said the whole thing and correct, No,
that's okay. And he said something to the if it
(33:26):
tastes good, spit it out, and I remember thinking, yeah,
he's in great shape. Yeah he's got perfect body. Everything
is perfectly done. But I never want to think, oh,
if it tastes good, spit it out. Like that sounds
like a joyless eating life.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Also, where is he now? He's dead, but he died
at like nineties. Well true, I mean he was in
extra eating.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
But uh, but you know, there's a there's a happy
medium between food is fuel and that's it only and
if it tastes good, spit it out and obsessing over
a croissant.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Right, there's a nice little middle area there.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
One of the things that's come out about these DLP
ones as well is that this it has the same
impact on It's not just it's not just the obsession
over food.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
It's the obsession over stuff that you can ingest.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Because a lot of alcoholics are people who thought they
had alcohol issues or thought about alcohol. A lot say
that's one of the things that they also don't think
about anymore. They're not drawn to it, they don't think
about it. It's not a deal. They don't think about
the last time they blacked out. They don't think about
the next time they're going to have a beer. It
just removes that layer of thinking to whatever they happen
(34:35):
to be doing.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
What a magical thing.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Yeah, and for you know, there are plenty of people
we talk about the potential side effects. There are obviously
plenty of people who are on these They don't have
the negative side effects that can be associated with them,
and so they get the all the benefit without the downside.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Well, and like food or alcohol or drugs, it's like
so many people out on the outside looking in, go, well,
where's your willpower?
Speaker 3 (34:59):
It's like, well, that's not a thing, and my brain
chemistry is different. Yeah, it's not that. That's not what
it's not.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
It's not what's missing. Yeah, okay, what else do we
have here? Oh my god, look at that?
Speaker 3 (35:11):
What happened? It is noon already.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
It is the last high noon or noon of this
year right now, right now, well not right now, in
about two minutes specifically, but we're getting close.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
Dance you want to do? I don't know, careful moving.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
That thing, but okay, see now, and we just did
the food stuff.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
I didn't bring up cheese. It's you did. Gary and
Shannon will continue, I'm not going to be as nice
to you when she leaves you.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Right after this, you've been listening to The Gary and
Shannon Show. You can always hear us live on KFI
AM six forty nine am to one pm every Monday
through Friday, and anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app
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The Burden is a documentary series that takes listeners into the hidden places where justice is done (and undone). It dives deep into the lives of heroes and villains. And it focuses a spotlight on those who triumph even when the odds are against them. Season 5 - The Burden: Death & Deceit in Alliance On April Fools Day 1999, 26-year-old Yvonne Layne was found murdered in her Alliance, Ohio home. David Thorne, her ex-boyfriend and father of one of her children, was instantly a suspect. Another young man admitted to the murder, and David breathed a sigh of relief, until the confessed murderer fingered David; “He paid me to do it.” David was sentenced to life without parole. Two decades later, Pulitzer winner and podcast host, Maggie Freleng (Bone Valley Season 3: Graves County, Wrongful Conviction, Suave) launched a “live” investigation into David's conviction alongside Jason Baldwin (himself wrongfully convicted as a member of the West Memphis Three). Maggie had come to believe that the entire investigation of David was botched by the tiny local police department, or worse, covered up the real killer. Was Maggie correct? Was David’s claim of innocence credible? In Death and Deceit in Alliance, Maggie recounts the case that launched her career, and ultimately, “broke” her.” The results will shock the listener and reduce Maggie to tears and self-doubt. This is not your typical wrongful conviction story. In fact, it turns the genre on its head. It asks the question: What if our champions are foolish? Season 4 - The Burden: Get the Money and Run “Trying to murder my father, this was the thing that put me on the path.” That’s Joe Loya and that path was bank robbery. Bank, bank, bank, bank, bank. In season 4 of The Burden: Get the Money and Run, we hear from Joe who was once the most prolific bank robber in Southern California, and beyond. He used disguises, body doubles, proxies. He leaped over counters, grabbed the money and ran. Even as the FBI was closing in. It was a showdown between a daring bank robber, and a patient FBI agent. Joe was no ordinary bank robber. He was bright, articulate, charismatic, and driven by a dark rage that he summoned up at will. In seven episodes, Joe tells all: the what, the how… and the why. Including why he tried to murder his father. Season 3 - The Burden: Avenger Miriam Lewin is one of Argentina’s leading journalists today. At 19 years old, she was kidnapped off the streets of Buenos Aires for her political activism and thrown into a concentration camp. Thousands of her fellow inmates were executed, tossed alive from a cargo plane into the ocean. Miriam, along with a handful of others, will survive the camp. Then as a journalist, she will wage a decades long campaign to bring her tormentors to justice. Avenger is about one woman’s triumphant battle against unbelievable odds to survive torture, claim justice for the crimes done against her and others like her, and change the future of her country. Season 2 - The Burden: Empire on Blood Empire on Blood is set in the Bronx, NY, in the early 90s, when two young drug dealers ruled an intersection known as “The Corner on Blood.” The boss, Calvin Buari, lived large. He and a protege swore they would build an empire on blood. Then the relationship frayed and the protege accused Calvin of a double homicide which he claimed he didn’t do. But did he? Award-winning journalist Steve Fishman spent seven years to answer that question. This is the story of one man’s last chance to overturn his life sentence. He may prevail, but someone’s gotta pay. The Burden: Empire on Blood is the director’s cut of the true crime classic which reached #1 on the charts when it was first released half a dozen years ago. Season 1 - The Burden In the 1990s, Detective Louis N. Scarcella was legendary. In a city overrun by violent crime, he cracked the toughest cases and put away the worst criminals. “The Hulk” was his nickname. Then the story changed. Scarcella ran into a group of convicted murderers who all say they are innocent. They turned themselves into jailhouse-lawyers and in prison founded a lway firm. When they realized Scarcella helped put many of them away, they set their sights on taking him down. And with the help of a NY Times reporter they have a chance. For years, Scarcella insisted he did nothing wrong. But that’s all he’d say. Until we tracked Scarcella to a sauna in a Russian bathhouse, where he started to talk..and talk and talk. “The guilty have gone free,” he whispered. And then agreed to take us into the belly of the beast. Welcome to The Burden.