March 15, 2025 • 10 mins
#Wellness: Ultra-processed Foods / AI tech will change your brain.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I was looking at an expiration date that had it
was May tenth, and I thought to myself, Oh, well,
that's already passed. It's the twelfth. So I did the
same thing, confusing March and May. I don't know what
it is, but I blame daylight saving time.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
It's time for our wellness segment.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
I feel terrible. He spends most of his day at
the office, city into a variety of activities, and preferably
some exercise late in the afternoon. I never exercised a
day in my life.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
You just got to sit here and wait to die.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Every morning, I smoke a cigarette and for lunch, I
eat a bacon sandwich and I usually drink my dinner
kit Star for Period period Guide for Wellness and Personal
Improvement Health.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I loved that former life scientists at the National Institutes
of Health are interested in answering this question. If ultra
processed foods, especially those that are high in fent and sugar,
can they cause a similarly outsized dopamine response, suggesting that
they could be addictive? Yes, how much money do we
spend at the National Institutes of Health to determine if
(01:13):
oreos are addictive?
Speaker 1 (01:15):
This is interesting? Yeah, right, But there's one addiction where
you can be like, oh, these are so addicting, I
love these, I want to keep eating them. And then
there's like the real thing, which is, yes, it's clinically addictive,
these processed foods, and I support to them doing studies
like this so that then we can go after the
ultra processed food industry, which creates the foods to make
(01:39):
you addicted, which makes you unhealthy, and you're not gaining
any sort of real happiness out of these foods. It's
just the stupid neurons in your brain telling you that
you want more. It's not really making you happy. It's
just making you think that it's making you happy. And
I'm all about going after this industry. It is the
(01:59):
same industry that got us hooked on cigarettes. It is
the tobacco industry that is pivoted into ultra processed foods.
I really support this article out of the Washington Post,
and it's about ultra process snacks and it says, yeah,
they're bad, but here are the healthiest options, because listen,
we've already been screwed over by the industry. We're already
(02:22):
addicted to the ultra process snacks. So if we're going
to have them from time to time, how can we
get the healthiest one.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Well, and think about this, the difference between what we
would consider healthy today and what was considered healthy, say
twenty years ago, where if you went into a snack
aisle you had things like snack wells and low sugar
cookies and all.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Of those things.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
But to if you take sugar out of a cookie
as an example, you got to put a bunch of
other stuff in there to make it palatableserve. And it's
those extra things that are being put in there that
completely destroy the inside of our bodies and sometimes the
outsides of our bodies.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
To your point about what used to be healthy, I
was at a Target recently and I was looking at
trail mix. Now, trail mix used to only be in
the nature food stores, which was no fun, no fun
at all, no taste, no salt, no sugar. Right, Well,
the ultraprocessed food industry has taken your trail mix industry
(03:20):
and revolutionized it. It's a candy aisle. It is a
candy isisle. There's about forty different types of using air
quotes here trail mix at the target, and some of
them are like peanut butter chips, chocolate chips, and toffee
chips with some peanuts and a couple of almonds Boom
(03:41):
trail mix and listen, I love all that stuff like.
I'm not knocking it at all. I'm just saying that
sometimes what's sold to you is healthy is not.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Well and that what I love about this article I
think you do too, is that this doesn't say snacks
are all bad. And some of what you would consider
ultra sest foods, like chips, there are healthier alternatives, they say,
for example, potato chips, tortilla chips.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
I love that. I love that food group of.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Chips, I mean, but they say that a lot of
them obviously going to have extra sodium, They're going to
have extra saturated fats, and some of the more exotic ones,
especially lately, are going to have more of those synthetic
food dyes and additives like maltodextrin and quarn sine.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Me. I'm a cracker street worker. I love crackers. I
enjoy the salt on crackers. I like saltea. I'll eat
a sleeve of saltines and thinks nothing of it.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Well, and they had the same.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
The crackers are similar to chips, and that you got
to watch out for the enriched flour, the excess sodium,
the sugars and fats. So in terms of chips, one
of the things to look for, and as a general
rule I think is pretty safe, is the fewer ingredients
or the few west ingredients in some of these things.
For example, the Siete Food It's dip chip, grain free
(05:01):
tortilla chip. They have extra fiber in there, which is
good for you. Coming from cilium husk and pumpkin powder
doesn't sound great, but they don't. They don't have any
saturated fats, they don't have any emulsifiers or any cosmetic additives.
In terms of crackers, the Merry's Gone Crackers herb original
(05:21):
made with organic seeds and grains, high in protein and
fiber compared to some of the other brands.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
And it's it. If you see something like.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Maltodextrin or guar gum or emulsifiers or things like that,
those are all things that don't necessarily have to be
in your food. The other issue is food is necessary.
Maybe we need to reclassify what we consider food.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Like cookies.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Cookies are Foodokies, they are not a food.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
They are a food.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Cookies are a thing we eat, but it doesn't necessarily
mean that they're food.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
I'm sorry. I just got to the cookies portion of
the article and that's all I could think about. Or cookies.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
We'll think about it this way. You breathe, yeah, air
breathe cookies. You know, you breathe air, yeah. But you
can also inhale smoke from a cigarette. True, two things
that you're doing. One of them is necessary, one of
them is the same physical pattern of the necessary thing,
(06:22):
the inhalation of something. But you're inhaling your cookies.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
You're trying to get me to favor these blueberries here,
which are delicious, But you're trying to say that blueberries
and cookies are the same thing. So if I just
eat the blueberries, I'll be fine without the cookies.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
No, I would say it this way. Blueberries the way
you're eating them are food. Blueberry candy is not a food, right,
although it's the same.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
I see zero. So, like, what's the healthy cookie option
in your scenario?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Let me check. I don't think they have.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Oh, they do have healthy They do some.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Healthy cookies in there at the bottom. So we're talking
about cookies, and my definition of food.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
It's not the definition of food, but for the for
a purpose of what we're talking about. My definition is.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
That's a good dress on her is food.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
That's is stuff that you eat that provides nutrition for you.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Right, the fewer ingredients the better.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
The fewer ingredients the better. And cookies, I would have argued,
are not a food because you can get minimal nutritional
value out of them. But you're doing it, you're simply
doing it for the pleasure of what you're eating.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
My husband doing it out of necessity.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah, my husband's been out of town, and I'll like
cook when he's here, but he's been out of town.
Very smart, And I said to myself in my head
the other day, I really feel like food for dinner.
I feel like like crackers and cookies and ice cream.
But I had that thought, I don't really feel like
food like I don't really feel like a meal.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
I feel like crap. So we were talking about this
Washington Post article. They looked at some of the healthiest options,
even four processed snacks and cookies. Yes, whichever brand of
cookie you choose, it's still a cookie, they said, watch
out for the excess sugar. It's not uncommon to find
some brands of cookies that are twenty grams of sugar
(08:20):
per cookie, that's about five tea spoons. A lot of
them have saturated fats six or more grams of saturated
right fat, which American Heart Association suggests only.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Two my favorite kind of fat.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Now, they said that there are some healthier options, the
Urban Remedy Superfood Cookie chocolate chip, which is bite sized.
One serving is three cookies by seven, four grams of
added sugar.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
It's like those Trader Joe's Baby Chocolate Chip cookies.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Yes, they come in.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah, whatever monster came up with that should be taken
out back.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
The other option is Maxine's Heavenly Chocolate Chocolate Chunk Cookie.
They said they're relatively low and sugar in saturated fat,
and Pumpkin pecan spice by that same brand have just
three grams of added sugar.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Or cookie two gram saturated fat.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
But again, you're also talking about serving size, which is
way below anything that anybody realistically eats.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
If you're going to sit down in a cookie, Kelly.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
The serving size, get out of here.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
The other wellness story is just simply how and we've
talked about this many times, using AI, using smartphones, using
all of the digital technology that's available to us now
completely erodes the ability of our brain.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
To focus, work to work.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Think about how often or how how rarely you would
use a map to get to where you needed to
go on a regular basis.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I get mad at myself when I found myself reliant
on that, especially when it's someplace I've been before, exactly
so embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I turn it on all the time simply because it's
a habit.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Now, I don't need to know how to get to
like my daughter's dorm room at cal Poly or something
like that.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
You've been there before. You you should have a memory
of it. If you don't, you're too distracted, and that's
a problem.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
What I like is I like just to see the
time that I'll get there.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
And that's true. I do love that. I do love that.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
That's how they get you.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
That's how they get you. It's Bastard's ultra processed maps.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
That's how they get you.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Chomp, chump, chomp,
I was looking at an expiration date that had it
was May tenth, and I thought to myself, Oh, well,
that's already passed. It's the twelfth. So I did the
same thing, confusing March and May. I don't know what
it is, but I blame daylight saving time.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
It's time for our wellness segment.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
I feel terrible. He spends most of his day at
the office, city into a variety of activities, and preferably
some exercise late in the afternoon. I never exercised a
day in my life.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
You just got to sit here and wait to die.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Every morning, I smoke a cigarette and for lunch, I
eat a bacon sandwich and I usually drink my dinner
kit Star for Period period Guide for Wellness and Personal
Improvement Health.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I loved that former life scientists at the National Institutes
of Health are interested in answering this question. If ultra
processed foods, especially those that are high in fent and sugar,
can they cause a similarly outsized dopamine response, suggesting that
they could be addictive? Yes, how much money do we
spend at the National Institutes of Health to determine if
(01:13):
oreos are addictive?
Speaker 1 (01:15):
This is interesting? Yeah, right, But there's one addiction where
you can be like, oh, these are so addicting, I
love these, I want to keep eating them. And then
there's like the real thing, which is, yes, it's clinically addictive,
these processed foods, and I support to them doing studies
like this so that then we can go after the
ultra processed food industry, which creates the foods to make
(01:39):
you addicted, which makes you unhealthy, and you're not gaining
any sort of real happiness out of these foods. It's
just the stupid neurons in your brain telling you that
you want more. It's not really making you happy. It's
just making you think that it's making you happy. And
I'm all about going after this industry. It is the
(01:59):
same industry that got us hooked on cigarettes. It is
the tobacco industry that is pivoted into ultra processed foods.
I really support this article out of the Washington Post,
and it's about ultra process snacks and it says, yeah,
they're bad, but here are the healthiest options, because listen,
we've already been screwed over by the industry. We're already
(02:22):
addicted to the ultra process snacks. So if we're going
to have them from time to time, how can we
get the healthiest one.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Well, and think about this, the difference between what we
would consider healthy today and what was considered healthy, say
twenty years ago, where if you went into a snack
aisle you had things like snack wells and low sugar
cookies and all.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Of those things.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
But to if you take sugar out of a cookie
as an example, you got to put a bunch of
other stuff in there to make it palatableserve. And it's
those extra things that are being put in there that
completely destroy the inside of our bodies and sometimes the
outsides of our bodies.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
To your point about what used to be healthy, I
was at a Target recently and I was looking at
trail mix. Now, trail mix used to only be in
the nature food stores, which was no fun, no fun
at all, no taste, no salt, no sugar. Right, Well,
the ultraprocessed food industry has taken your trail mix industry
(03:20):
and revolutionized it. It's a candy aisle. It is a
candy isisle. There's about forty different types of using air
quotes here trail mix at the target, and some of
them are like peanut butter chips, chocolate chips, and toffee
chips with some peanuts and a couple of almonds Boom
(03:41):
trail mix and listen, I love all that stuff like.
I'm not knocking it at all. I'm just saying that
sometimes what's sold to you is healthy is not.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Well and that what I love about this article I
think you do too, is that this doesn't say snacks
are all bad. And some of what you would consider
ultra sest foods, like chips, there are healthier alternatives, they say,
for example, potato chips, tortilla chips.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
I love that. I love that food group of.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Chips, I mean, but they say that a lot of
them obviously going to have extra sodium, They're going to
have extra saturated fats, and some of the more exotic ones,
especially lately, are going to have more of those synthetic
food dyes and additives like maltodextrin and quarn sine.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Me. I'm a cracker street worker. I love crackers. I
enjoy the salt on crackers. I like saltea. I'll eat
a sleeve of saltines and thinks nothing of it.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Well, and they had the same.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
The crackers are similar to chips, and that you got
to watch out for the enriched flour, the excess sodium,
the sugars and fats. So in terms of chips, one
of the things to look for, and as a general
rule I think is pretty safe, is the fewer ingredients
or the few west ingredients in some of these things.
For example, the Siete Food It's dip chip, grain free
(05:01):
tortilla chip. They have extra fiber in there, which is
good for you. Coming from cilium husk and pumpkin powder
doesn't sound great, but they don't. They don't have any
saturated fats, they don't have any emulsifiers or any cosmetic additives.
In terms of crackers, the Merry's Gone Crackers herb original
(05:21):
made with organic seeds and grains, high in protein and
fiber compared to some of the other brands.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
And it's it. If you see something like.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Maltodextrin or guar gum or emulsifiers or things like that,
those are all things that don't necessarily have to be
in your food. The other issue is food is necessary.
Maybe we need to reclassify what we consider food.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Like cookies.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Cookies are Foodokies, they are not a food.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
They are a food.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Cookies are a thing we eat, but it doesn't necessarily
mean that they're food.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
I'm sorry. I just got to the cookies portion of
the article and that's all I could think about. Or cookies.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
We'll think about it this way. You breathe, yeah, air
breathe cookies. You know, you breathe air, yeah. But you
can also inhale smoke from a cigarette. True, two things
that you're doing. One of them is necessary, one of
them is the same physical pattern of the necessary thing,
(06:22):
the inhalation of something. But you're inhaling your cookies.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
You're trying to get me to favor these blueberries here,
which are delicious, But you're trying to say that blueberries
and cookies are the same thing. So if I just
eat the blueberries, I'll be fine without the cookies.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
No, I would say it this way. Blueberries the way
you're eating them are food. Blueberry candy is not a food, right,
although it's the same.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
I see zero. So, like, what's the healthy cookie option
in your scenario?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Let me check. I don't think they have.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Oh, they do have healthy They do some.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Healthy cookies in there at the bottom. So we're talking
about cookies, and my definition of food.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
It's not the definition of food, but for the for
a purpose of what we're talking about. My definition is.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
That's a good dress on her is food.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
That's is stuff that you eat that provides nutrition for you.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Right, the fewer ingredients the better.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
The fewer ingredients the better. And cookies, I would have argued,
are not a food because you can get minimal nutritional
value out of them. But you're doing it, you're simply
doing it for the pleasure of what you're eating.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
My husband doing it out of necessity.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah, my husband's been out of town, and I'll like
cook when he's here, but he's been out of town.
Very smart, And I said to myself in my head
the other day, I really feel like food for dinner.
I feel like like crackers and cookies and ice cream.
But I had that thought, I don't really feel like
food like I don't really feel like a meal.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
I feel like crap. So we were talking about this
Washington Post article. They looked at some of the healthiest options,
even four processed snacks and cookies. Yes, whichever brand of
cookie you choose, it's still a cookie, they said, watch
out for the excess sugar. It's not uncommon to find
some brands of cookies that are twenty grams of sugar
(08:20):
per cookie, that's about five tea spoons. A lot of
them have saturated fats six or more grams of saturated
right fat, which American Heart Association suggests only.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Two my favorite kind of fat.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Now, they said that there are some healthier options, the
Urban Remedy Superfood Cookie chocolate chip, which is bite sized.
One serving is three cookies by seven, four grams of
added sugar.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
It's like those Trader Joe's Baby Chocolate Chip cookies.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Yes, they come in.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah, whatever monster came up with that should be taken
out back.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
The other option is Maxine's Heavenly Chocolate Chocolate Chunk Cookie.
They said they're relatively low and sugar in saturated fat,
and Pumpkin pecan spice by that same brand have just
three grams of added sugar.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Or cookie two gram saturated fat.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
But again, you're also talking about serving size, which is
way below anything that anybody realistically eats.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
If you're going to sit down in a cookie, Kelly.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
The serving size, get out of here.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
The other wellness story is just simply how and we've
talked about this many times, using AI, using smartphones, using
all of the digital technology that's available to us now
completely erodes the ability of our brain.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
To focus, work to work.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Think about how often or how how rarely you would
use a map to get to where you needed to
go on a regular basis.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I get mad at myself when I found myself reliant
on that, especially when it's someplace I've been before, exactly
so embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I turn it on all the time simply because it's
a habit.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Now, I don't need to know how to get to
like my daughter's dorm room at cal Poly or something
like that.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
You've been there before. You you should have a memory
of it. If you don't, you're too distracted, and that's
a problem.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
What I like is I like just to see the
time that I'll get there.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
And that's true. I do love that. I do love that.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
That's how they get you.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
That's how they get you. It's Bastard's ultra processed maps.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
That's how they get you.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Chomp, chump, chomp,
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