December 16, 2025 • 27 mins
Gary & Shannon unpack new twists in the Rob & Michelle Reiner case as prosecutors consider murder charges against Nick Reiner. With Nick deemed not medically fit for court, blood found in his hotel room, and reports of a heated argument with his parents the night before the killing, the legal stakes continue to rise. The duo also discusses what it means now that famed defense attorney Alan Jackson has stepped in.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty The Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app. Philip rivers, by the way, a
lot of talk about his return to the NFL hill
start on Monday night against the forty nine ers in Indianapolis.
He extended his health insurance for another five years. The
(00:25):
NFL will cover your health insurance. I mean, they should
cover it forever, but they die signing. By re upping,
he extends his health insurance for him, his wife, and
their ten children for another five years.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Now.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
He doesn't need the money. But what a boondoggle, right,
I mean, that's considerable amount of money when you think
about health insurance for twelve people.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
That's great.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
I thought you meant basically that he was going back
into the open market to find health insurance. But I
guess obviously if he signed with the team, they would
cover it. Oh, that's funny. There's a couple stories we again,
we will talk a lot about Rob and Michelle Reiner
and their son Nick is actually doing court today. We'll
talk about that coming up. But there's a few other
(01:14):
things that are going on as well. Michael Monks is
going to join us next hour. We'll talk more about
the latest on the FBI breaking up that bombing plot
targeting New Year's Eve in Los Angeles, some of the
latest on that. The Washington Post story we've been trying
to get to for a couple of days now. The
idea that they have put together an AI generated podcast
(01:38):
that is just being torn apart. It is absolutely being
ripped for inaccuracies, unlistenability, and they still went forward with it.
We'll talk about that, and then what happens when mom
takes over your dating apps?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Why would anyone ever agree to this? I mean, I
personally think it's a wonderful idea because what mom thinks
is usually best. Mom knows you better than anybody else.
Mom knows what you need. I think it's great. But
why would anyone willingly do this and have that knowledge
and and go ahead with that? You know, because usually,
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especially if you're on the dating apps, what you're looking
for is not going to be Mom approved. You're looking
to probably have a little bit of fun and a
little bit of action before probably choose the Mom approved one.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Right also depends on what app it is that you're on.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
I don't know, I don't know anymore what the difference is.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
I am so oh my thankful.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
I can't imagine, like I play this out in my
head of all the wasted time. You know, you see
somebody and maybe not maybe not, but I'm thinking about
like if we were single and we're dating, and we're
looking at the apps and we're like, oh, that person
looks nice. Okay, I've got a drink with them or
meal or whatever, and then you go and you instantly
(03:06):
have because you know within the first like ten fifteen,
twenty seconds, if you have any interest or chemistry or anything, sure,
and you're just and then you just sit there for
an hour and are polite, knowing that this is not
going to be a thing. I mean, the wasted time
alone would get me to just be a hermit.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Okay. So I read some.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
More about the Reiner family last night, and this morning
I read about a journalist who worked for the La
Times wrote an article and I misplaced it where it
was printed today, but he essentially says that you know,
ten years ago or nine years ago, when the documentary
was coming out or when the movie was coming out,
that Rob Reiner worked with his son on about Addiction,
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which was loosely based on his son's life and his
son's troubles with addictions, and the journalist says he went
out to dinner. It was during a film festival with
Rob Reiner and his son and a publicist who was
trying to get more exposure for this movie about addiction.
And how Rob Reiner and his wife and maybe you've
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seen this these quotes over the past twenty four hours,
but how Rob Reiner and his wife said that they
would listen to anybody with a desk and a diploma,
that they would listen to all the experts, and that
the experts didn't know what they were talking about, that
they didn't know their son, that we know our son
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and Michelle Reiner and it's heartbreaking to hear this because
you can imagine parents thinking that they don't want to
believe their kid has turned into the monster that addiction
can turn them into. The mother saying, there were all
these experts telling us that our son was lying to us,
that he was a liar in manipulating us, and we
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believed them and that wasn't true. And that breaks my
heart because everyone who knows somebody in the throes of
addiction knows that it's not really them per se, but
it's that addiction that's making them lie to you at
every turn and manipulate every situation to get what they
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think they want. And it breaks my heart that they
chose to believe in that manipulation and the goodness that
they know is in their son and ignore the experts.
The takeaway from this dinner that I read about was, Yeah,
he's been in seventeen rehabs since he was fifteen years old,
and we believed all those people and they just didn't know.
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And look at him now he's sober and he beat addiction,
and what did they know? We knew our son, and
it breaks your heart.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
It's I think it is all too common. I mean
there are, Yeah, everybody knows somebody who is in that.
Everybody knows somebody who has struggled with that. And then
the the concentric circles of family that have to deal
with whatever that is. I mean, that's why there are,
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That's why they're what's it called alan on? I mean
that specifically deals with alcohol, but the idea that somebody
is addicted and consistently allowing that's not the right word.
Their decisions are driven by whatever the addiction is, right,
that those decisions then have impacts on the immediate family,
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the secondary family, the neighbors, the friends, and all of
that sort of stuff that I mean, you can't ignore
that type of damage that can be done by a
single individual.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
It's hard to.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Have loved somebody with your whole heart and realize that
there is a disease that has made them not that person. Yeah,
it's really hard to get wrap your head around that well,
and and to think that they can't make decisions because
I can't. It's so it's so hard when you're when
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you don't have that addictive personality to wrap your head around, Well,
why don't they just decide to X, Y or z.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
They can't? Yeah, I mean I still don't get it.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
I still I you know, I've had addiction in my family,
and I still don't get how you don't just decide
to not do something.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Well, as we heard from and you don't.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
I mean when you two therapists yesterday that said it's
got to be a decision that right, whatever forces that decision.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, you can't. We can't wish that on somebody.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
We will make them and you can decide that you
want to get better and decide that you want to
stop doing drugs. But that is just the first step,
I guess you know. There's so much more things to
be done, and that's where those rehabs and those experts
with the diplomas, that's where they help you navigate that.
You can't just take away the substance and then all
the problems are gone.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
That's not how it works.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Listen, I know a lot of people have If you
have any comment on this, we'd love to hear it.
We have the talkback when you're listening on the app.
You just hit that little button. It's a red button,
white microphone, and you can leave us a message about
I mean, clearly everybody has some experience with this. Unfortunately,
some people have very very close family members that are
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dealing with stuff like this, or it's happened to you,
or even even if you were the one who was
the source of the problem but has recovered, so.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Love to hear from you.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
We are hearing about the first hours about Rob Reiner's
massuse that kind of stumbled upon the Grizzly murder scene.
Billy Crystal apparently raced to the home and saw his
best friend's body. We're hearing all of those details as well.
A big day legally. It looks like he has lawyered
up with a very high profile attorney. You will know
(08:51):
the name, and maybe an arraignment this afternoon. So we'll
get you all dialed in as we continue.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
Am six forty.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
The elves got a little ahead of us and got
into some trouble and we had to rescue them before
we could give you hints. Because if you saw what
they did yesterday, I don't have.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
To explain any further.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
If you didn't, the reel is up on Gary and
Shannon or ak Gary and Shannon on Instagram, so you
can see what happened yesterday. Let's just say it was
off to a rough, a rough start. I don't know
what they're up to today. I'm a little bit worried.
We didn't really sit down and have the talk with
them that we were going to because I wanted them
to kind of dry out a little bit.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yeah, so and get them testing, yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Get them some penicillin.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
But today we are asking for your help.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
So here's the deal.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
You go to Instagram ac Gary and Shannon, you watch
our story, you find out where the elves are, then
you let us know. You give us a hint using
the talkback feature on the iHeartRadio app. You tap that
micro and just tell us where are elves, and then
we'll go hunting for them during the show using your hints.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Hopefully, hopefully we find them.
Speaker 6 (10:09):
Yes, good morning, Gary and Channon. I'm going to start
this out with a South Park quote and I'm going
to say drugs are bad. Okay, yes, But at the
end of the day, addiction to drugs, alcohol, whatever you're
addicted to is a subsign of trauma or some sort
of mental health issue that needs to be addressed. And
(10:30):
until the mental health issues addressed thoroughly, addiction can't be fixed.
It's a sad disease. Truly.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Blessings the more we know, also about Nick Reiner's own words,
I mean he being who he was, the son of
this incredible director and icon when it comes to Hollywood,
he had access to and was a sought after voice.
Because of all of this, he made a movie with
his dad. He had been writing, he had been involved
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with a bunch of different interviews and Conway last night
played part of an interview that Howard Stern did with
both Rob.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
And Nick when their movie came out was Chasing.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Being Changing, Charlie, Thank You, and the conversations were all
about the relationship between the two of them, and it
was this autobiographical and the Nick had been upfront with
a lot of people about his struggles but may not
have necessarily seen them as struggles. In an interview he
(11:38):
did in twenty eighteen, he told a friend of his
that was doing the host in the podcast that he
wasn't sober. He admitted that he had been smoking pot
and taken adderall and had relapsed on heroin and other
hard drugs, and he even said, at least I'm not
sure the context of it, but said that it led
to a cocaine heart attack during an intervention that he had,
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and he recounted one time, and we talked about this
a little bit yesterday, how he rampaged through his guest
house where he was old up for days with cocaine
and other drugs, repeatedly punching the television, damaging the furniture
until everything got wrecked. And his quote was, I got
totally spun out on op uppers, coke, and something else.
I was up for days on end, started punching different
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things in my guest house. Started with the TV, went
over to the lamp. Everything in the guest house got wrecked.
And he said, weren't your folks pissed? That was the
host and he said, yep, they told me I had
to go.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
I did not like that interview for a number of reasons,
but one of the things that stuck out is he
kept calling up my guest house. I was punching everything
in my guest house. I was, you know, I punched
out the TV in my guest house, and it was just.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
It reeked of privilege.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
And that's your parents' guest house. You've done nothing as
your parents that have worked hard.
Speaker 7 (12:54):
You know.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
It is that entitled entitled addiction is the worst kind.
It's just so ugly and gross.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
It takes away all the good feelings you have or
the sympathy you have for somebody going through something like
that when they're an entitled addict.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
It's the worst kind of watch in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
I got to imagine that.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
I mean not that it doesn't happen in poorer families,
but because of the resources they had available to them,
I mean that's probably rampant across the West Side.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I mean, just to generalize, but it's just it's awful
when you hear them, very smart people, Rob and Michelle Reiner,
and it does an addiction does not discriminate. And certainly
how you react to addiction in your family, it doesn't
matter if you're the smartest person in the room. They
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talked openly about regretting forcing their son into programs, regretting
has sending them to all those rehabs, regretting listening to
people who were experts because they didn't really know their son.
We're talking a little bit about off the air, and
you said, you know, you always think yours is different.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
We always do.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
We always think, you know, our situation is different or
the exception.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
That's like the definition of being a parent, the assumption.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Or the inclination to believe that your kid is different,
your kid is special. I mean, we're ingrained to do
that because that helps us want to protect them from
whatever outside for it, they're going to get eaten by
a bear whatever the old term would, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
And that was the thing that Rob Reiner said in
all those interviews around the time that this movie came out.
We just want to keep them safe and we did.
We kept him safe. Yeah, but that's but not themselves.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
You mentioned some of more of the details, and we'll
talk about that when we come back. Specifically, we know
that their daughter lived across the street and was alerted
apparently by a missed massage on Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
We'll tell you about that and we come back.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Michael Monks is going to join us at the top
of the hour. We're going to get some of the
latest information. FBI and the Department of Justice announced that
arrest for the bomb plot that was targeting New Year's
Eve here in Los Angeles. He's going to have some
details on that. Also, Why what happens when mom takes
over your dating app profiles? Probably not a great idea
(15:26):
just in general, but sometimes I guess it could be funny.
Speaker 8 (15:30):
Hi, guys, it's an amazing subject. And I think that
you know, the phenomenon of craving that goes on with
somebody that has alcohol or drug addictions is just something
that can't really be described unless you've been there. You know,
you talk about relapse and things like that, and the
people that relapse have relapsed months, probably a longer time
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than you think before they actually start using again. I've
been sober for nineteen years and I love life, and
it's great to have this life gradually.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
That's true.
Speaker 7 (16:01):
Hey, guys, great topic to be covering because this is
more widespread than people know, for sure. But having had
a daughter in addiction mode, you have to remember there's
a whole physiological side to this too, so it's not
just a matter of mind over matter. You need to
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beat the physical side as well as the emotional side,
so people keep that in mind. Love you guys.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Great, Yeah, beating.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
The physical side usually is doable, albeit difficult, but it's
that emotional side and if and I just I don't know,
everyone's situation is different, but I'm thinking, if you never
really buy into rehab, if you never really buy into
the programs and the experts and all that, I got
to believe you're constantly thinking, you know, maybe tomorrow, maybe
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next week, maybe in two weeks, and get high again,
like you know what I mean, Because like that guy said,
it takes the relapse takes root in your mind long
before you touch whatever it is you're thinking about it.
And if they never really bought in, if he never
if the kid never bought and I want to say,
kit he's thirty three or thirty two years old, if
he never bought into all of the recovery that's got
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to go on, the hard stuff in those rehabs or
with those people at the diplomas, then you're not buying
into your You're not buying into your sobriety or what
have you.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
And is I don't know enough about his life to
make this generalization, if this would apply to his situation.
But isn't geography a part of it as well? I mean,
if you're gonna go if you're if you're dealing with
an addiction, and it's one thing for your family and
your immediate circle of friends to be supportive of it,
But then you just go back to the same place,
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I mean physically, you go back to the same place,
the same circumstances, the same friends, the same bad influences.
That's almost gonna will undermine any sort of success you have.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
There is a thought process of I can take myself
out of that geography.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
And I'll be fine. And that's not it. Well, like
that doesn't work for anybody, but.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
It may be a part of it maybe, yeah, right,
I mean that's the way I think of it. And again,
I'm not the one dealing with this necessarily the same.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I think a lot of people have gone to like
moved out of state, moved out of country, and said,
you know, if I remove myself from my surroundings right now,
I'll get sober.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
I won't touch that stuff. And they do that.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
That doesn't work, unfortunately, so Rob Reiner, by the way, uh,
Nick Reiner, This son the murderer has hired the best
of the best when it comes to defense attorneys. He
has hired Alan Jackson. You know Alan Jackson. He covers
the high profile cases. He's fresh off that win in
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Boston and now I can't even remember her name.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
A woman accused of killing Reid.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Something, Karen Karen Reid, fresh off of that victory.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Now Alan Jackson, one of the best criminal defense attorne
he's out there, is taking on this client. Alan Jackson,
by the way, started in the La County DA's office
years ago. I covered several of his cases. Mickey Thompson,
I remember Phil Spector trial. He prosecuted that the murder
of Lana Clarkson. He is a big.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Money guy and.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
He will be the guy you see probably at the
podium today. He will be in the courthouse for the
arraignment this afternoon, and he will be very visible as
we move through this. But it turned out Rob Reiner
had booked a massage on the day he and his
wife were murdered.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
We know and we talked about yesterday TMZ was reporting
the first accounts of what appeared to be some sort
of a fight, disagreement, loud argument at Conan O'Brien's Christmas
party Saturday night. We also know that Nick apparently had
checked into a motel either late Saturday night or early
Sunday morning. The masseuse had apparently gone to the house
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just about two o'clock on Sunday afternoon, and she rang
the bell. She knocked a bunch of times, but left
because no one answered, and that prompted Romy, the daughter
living across the street, to go over to her parents' house,
and apparently she's the one that was able to get
in and of course make this awful discovery that they
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had been killed. She called Billy Crystal and his wife
because they are were very very close friends with the Rhiners,
and it's likely that Billy Crystal and his wife also
saw the grizzly outcome of all of this. I guess
it's possible an adult daughter might have access to security,
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doorbell camera something like that and recognized that somebody was
trying to get into the house, but that the parents weren't.
The parents weren't responding, and one of the first things
that apparently the daughter told the police was it might
be my brother and that he should be considered dangerous
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because of his past outbursts, because of his past violent history.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
In the article I was talking about earlier, the La
Times journalist who was working on a film festival ten
years ago when the movie was coming out about Addiction
that Rob Reiner did with his son Nick, and that
dinner that they had that he had with the family.
At one point the daughter was at the table and
she referred to her brother, who's a couple of years older,
as her best friend, and he said he wrote that
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she looked tired of explaining his actions, like we are
talking to therapists yesterday. It's a familial disease. It's a
whole family disease. When one person has an addiction, and
that she looked exhausted, kind of of explaining away his
behavior of advocating all of those things and being a
twenty two year old at the time. Twenty year old
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at the time. All right, so we are hearing more
about the last party the family had gone to Conan
O'Brien's fam party the night before the murders, and the
erratic behavior or I guess erratic, maybe a little bit dramatic,
but odd behavior that the Sun was exhibiting at that party.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
We'll talk about it when we come back.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
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Speaker 2 (22:30):
You heard Amy mention there it looks like Nick Reiner.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
It's not but medically cleared, as would be standard procedure
for him to show up in court today. So at
this point I'm not even sure that they're going to
do a court hearing time.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
That is very interesting. Not medically cleared for transport. That
sounds like a load of bs.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Alan Jackson's the best of what he does.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
No, he's not.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
You don't think he could come up with something like that.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
He's very good. I wouldn't say he's the best. He's
the best defense attorney, I think, right now, that's what
I mean. Yeah, I mean, I mean only because I'm
not practicing.
Speaker 9 (23:12):
Right, California Bar hasn't gotten back to you yet, right, God,
But this is odd.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I don't remember seeing this before, that a defendant is
not medically cleared to leave twin Towers?
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Where is he?
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Was there any.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Suggestion that there was a struggle or that he was
injured in some.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Way or no? So no, this seems like.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Even if he was high when he did something, this.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Seems like a precursor to a My client is whacked
out of his mind and not in his right mind
when he did that.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
And that's why I say, Alan Jackson is good at
what he does. Yeah, but we're talking about this case,
this awful case, and as we've mentioned a couple of times,
we will by the way, we're getting a lot of
stories from people, and we thank you for that. We'll
actually play some of them a little bit later. Because
this idea, this addiction being an individual problem but also
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being a familial problem, the uphill struggle that it is
dealing with addiction, We're getting a lot of stories from
people who have a fought and continue to stay sober,
despite the fact that they are addicts.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
And so those are all encouraging.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
But the story that we first reported was that this
was may have stemmed from a fight that happened, an
argument of some kind that happened while at a Christmas
party hosted by Conan O'Brien on Saturday night.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
They got into apparently a very loud argument which other
guests could hear. Rob Reiner and Michelle left the party,
and it's not known if Nick went home with his
parents at that time. What we are here is that
he was acting out by the way Hollywood's biggest stars
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were at this party, as you can imagine Conan O'Brien's
holiday party. And the report is is they brought him
along Nick to keep an eye on him. His parents
were already handling him. They were already on guard for something.
If you bring your kid somewhere so you can keep
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an eye on your kid, that kid needs supervision, even
if your kid is thirty two years old.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
This is the way that I read that.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
To keep an eye on him, he was apparently going
around this party and asking people, are you a famous person?
Speaker 2 (25:38):
You know?
Speaker 1 (25:38):
So just trying to poke pok pok poke right, trying
to embarrass his parents, probably still still being that.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Entitled child at thirty two years old.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
The narcissism that exists, unfortunately in an addicts is off
the charts and it me me me, me, me, me, me,
me me me, and you.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Can't see it if you're in the midst r right right.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Apparently Rob and Michelle left left the party, that is,
But in terms of what went on with Nick, they
very few people know exactly what it was.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Did he leave with them, did he go somewhere else?
Speaker 3 (26:25):
There was a report that he had checked into a
motel either late Saturday or early Sunday morning, maybe because
he didn't want to go home with them or whatever.
I mean, all of those details will come out when
we get some of the information out of LAPD and
the DA's office. So again, we'll continue talking about it
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as stuff comes up through the morning, maybe if we
find out some more information as well about whatever this
lack of medical clearance is for Nick Reiner, right, And we'll.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Get into your stories as well.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
You've been leaving them for us and we do appreciate that,
so we will get into that coming up.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
But next monks will join us.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
The latest on this La terror plot people a group
of four arrested for wanting to bomb various places on
New Year's Evil. Find out what we know about their
intent when we return.
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on the iHeartRadio app. Philip rivers, by the way, a
lot of talk about his return to the NFL hill
start on Monday night against the forty nine ers in Indianapolis.
He extended his health insurance for another five years. The
(00:25):
NFL will cover your health insurance. I mean, they should
cover it forever, but they die signing. By re upping,
he extends his health insurance for him, his wife, and
their ten children for another five years.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Now.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
He doesn't need the money. But what a boondoggle, right,
I mean, that's considerable amount of money when you think
about health insurance for twelve people.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
That's great.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
I thought you meant basically that he was going back
into the open market to find health insurance. But I
guess obviously if he signed with the team, they would
cover it. Oh, that's funny. There's a couple stories we again,
we will talk a lot about Rob and Michelle Reiner
and their son Nick is actually doing court today. We'll
talk about that coming up. But there's a few other
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things that are going on as well. Michael Monks is
going to join us next hour. We'll talk more about
the latest on the FBI breaking up that bombing plot
targeting New Year's Eve in Los Angeles, some of the
latest on that. The Washington Post story we've been trying
to get to for a couple of days now. The
idea that they have put together an AI generated podcast
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that is just being torn apart. It is absolutely being
ripped for inaccuracies, unlistenability, and they still went forward with it.
We'll talk about that, and then what happens when mom
takes over your dating apps?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Why would anyone ever agree to this? I mean, I
personally think it's a wonderful idea because what mom thinks
is usually best. Mom knows you better than anybody else.
Mom knows what you need. I think it's great. But
why would anyone willingly do this and have that knowledge
and and go ahead with that? You know, because usually,
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especially if you're on the dating apps, what you're looking
for is not going to be Mom approved. You're looking
to probably have a little bit of fun and a
little bit of action before probably choose the Mom approved one.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Right also depends on what app it is that you're on.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
I don't know, I don't know anymore what the difference is.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
I am so oh my thankful.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
I can't imagine, like I play this out in my
head of all the wasted time. You know, you see
somebody and maybe not maybe not, but I'm thinking about
like if we were single and we're dating, and we're
looking at the apps and we're like, oh, that person
looks nice. Okay, I've got a drink with them or
meal or whatever, and then you go and you instantly
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have because you know within the first like ten fifteen,
twenty seconds, if you have any interest or chemistry or anything, sure,
and you're just and then you just sit there for
an hour and are polite, knowing that this is not
going to be a thing. I mean, the wasted time
alone would get me to just be a hermit.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Okay. So I read some.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
More about the Reiner family last night, and this morning
I read about a journalist who worked for the La
Times wrote an article and I misplaced it where it
was printed today, but he essentially says that you know,
ten years ago or nine years ago, when the documentary
was coming out or when the movie was coming out,
that Rob Reiner worked with his son on about Addiction,
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which was loosely based on his son's life and his
son's troubles with addictions, and the journalist says he went
out to dinner. It was during a film festival with
Rob Reiner and his son and a publicist who was
trying to get more exposure for this movie about addiction.
And how Rob Reiner and his wife and maybe you've
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seen this these quotes over the past twenty four hours,
but how Rob Reiner and his wife said that they
would listen to anybody with a desk and a diploma,
that they would listen to all the experts, and that
the experts didn't know what they were talking about, that
they didn't know their son, that we know our son
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and Michelle Reiner and it's heartbreaking to hear this because
you can imagine parents thinking that they don't want to
believe their kid has turned into the monster that addiction
can turn them into. The mother saying, there were all
these experts telling us that our son was lying to us,
that he was a liar in manipulating us, and we
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believed them and that wasn't true. And that breaks my
heart because everyone who knows somebody in the throes of
addiction knows that it's not really them per se, but
it's that addiction that's making them lie to you at
every turn and manipulate every situation to get what they
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think they want. And it breaks my heart that they
chose to believe in that manipulation and the goodness that
they know is in their son and ignore the experts.
The takeaway from this dinner that I read about was, Yeah,
he's been in seventeen rehabs since he was fifteen years old,
and we believed all those people and they just didn't know.
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And look at him now he's sober and he beat addiction,
and what did they know? We knew our son, and
it breaks your heart.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
It's I think it is all too common. I mean
there are, Yeah, everybody knows somebody who is in that.
Everybody knows somebody who has struggled with that. And then
the the concentric circles of family that have to deal
with whatever that is. I mean, that's why there are,
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That's why they're what's it called alan on? I mean
that specifically deals with alcohol, but the idea that somebody
is addicted and consistently allowing that's not the right word.
Their decisions are driven by whatever the addiction is, right,
that those decisions then have impacts on the immediate family,
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the secondary family, the neighbors, the friends, and all of
that sort of stuff that I mean, you can't ignore
that type of damage that can be done by a
single individual.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
It's hard to.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Have loved somebody with your whole heart and realize that
there is a disease that has made them not that person. Yeah,
it's really hard to get wrap your head around that well,
and and to think that they can't make decisions because
I can't. It's so it's so hard when you're when
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you don't have that addictive personality to wrap your head around, Well,
why don't they just decide to X, Y or z.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
They can't? Yeah, I mean I still don't get it.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
I still I you know, I've had addiction in my family,
and I still don't get how you don't just decide
to not do something.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Well, as we heard from and you don't.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
I mean when you two therapists yesterday that said it's
got to be a decision that right, whatever forces that decision.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, you can't. We can't wish that on somebody.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
We will make them and you can decide that you
want to get better and decide that you want to
stop doing drugs. But that is just the first step,
I guess you know. There's so much more things to
be done, and that's where those rehabs and those experts
with the diplomas, that's where they help you navigate that.
You can't just take away the substance and then all
the problems are gone.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
That's not how it works.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Listen, I know a lot of people have If you
have any comment on this, we'd love to hear it.
We have the talkback when you're listening on the app.
You just hit that little button. It's a red button,
white microphone, and you can leave us a message about
I mean, clearly everybody has some experience with this. Unfortunately,
some people have very very close family members that are
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dealing with stuff like this, or it's happened to you,
or even even if you were the one who was
the source of the problem but has recovered, so.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Love to hear from you.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
We are hearing about the first hours about Rob Reiner's
massuse that kind of stumbled upon the Grizzly murder scene.
Billy Crystal apparently raced to the home and saw his
best friend's body. We're hearing all of those details as well.
A big day legally. It looks like he has lawyered
up with a very high profile attorney. You will know
(08:51):
the name, and maybe an arraignment this afternoon. So we'll
get you all dialed in as we continue.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
Am six forty.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
The elves got a little ahead of us and got
into some trouble and we had to rescue them before
we could give you hints. Because if you saw what
they did yesterday, I don't have.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
To explain any further.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
If you didn't, the reel is up on Gary and
Shannon or ak Gary and Shannon on Instagram, so you
can see what happened yesterday. Let's just say it was
off to a rough, a rough start. I don't know
what they're up to today. I'm a little bit worried.
We didn't really sit down and have the talk with
them that we were going to because I wanted them
to kind of dry out a little bit.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yeah, so and get them testing, yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Get them some penicillin.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
But today we are asking for your help.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
So here's the deal.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
You go to Instagram ac Gary and Shannon, you watch
our story, you find out where the elves are, then
you let us know. You give us a hint using
the talkback feature on the iHeartRadio app. You tap that
micro and just tell us where are elves, and then
we'll go hunting for them during the show using your hints.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Hopefully, hopefully we find them.
Speaker 6 (10:09):
Yes, good morning, Gary and Channon. I'm going to start
this out with a South Park quote and I'm going
to say drugs are bad. Okay, yes, But at the
end of the day, addiction to drugs, alcohol, whatever you're
addicted to is a subsign of trauma or some sort
of mental health issue that needs to be addressed. And
(10:30):
until the mental health issues addressed thoroughly, addiction can't be fixed.
It's a sad disease. Truly.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Blessings the more we know, also about Nick Reiner's own words,
I mean he being who he was, the son of
this incredible director and icon when it comes to Hollywood,
he had access to and was a sought after voice.
Because of all of this, he made a movie with
his dad. He had been writing, he had been involved
(11:03):
with a bunch of different interviews and Conway last night
played part of an interview that Howard Stern did with
both Rob.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
And Nick when their movie came out was Chasing.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Being Changing, Charlie, Thank You, and the conversations were all
about the relationship between the two of them, and it
was this autobiographical and the Nick had been upfront with
a lot of people about his struggles but may not
have necessarily seen them as struggles. In an interview he
(11:38):
did in twenty eighteen, he told a friend of his
that was doing the host in the podcast that he
wasn't sober. He admitted that he had been smoking pot
and taken adderall and had relapsed on heroin and other
hard drugs, and he even said, at least I'm not
sure the context of it, but said that it led
to a cocaine heart attack during an intervention that he had,
(12:00):
and he recounted one time, and we talked about this
a little bit yesterday, how he rampaged through his guest
house where he was old up for days with cocaine
and other drugs, repeatedly punching the television, damaging the furniture
until everything got wrecked. And his quote was, I got
totally spun out on op uppers, coke, and something else.
I was up for days on end, started punching different
(12:22):
things in my guest house. Started with the TV, went
over to the lamp. Everything in the guest house got wrecked.
And he said, weren't your folks pissed? That was the
host and he said, yep, they told me I had
to go.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
I did not like that interview for a number of reasons,
but one of the things that stuck out is he
kept calling up my guest house. I was punching everything
in my guest house. I was, you know, I punched
out the TV in my guest house, and it was just.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
It reeked of privilege.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
And that's your parents' guest house. You've done nothing as
your parents that have worked hard.
Speaker 7 (12:54):
You know.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
It is that entitled entitled addiction is the worst kind.
It's just so ugly and gross.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
It takes away all the good feelings you have or
the sympathy you have for somebody going through something like
that when they're an entitled addict.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
It's the worst kind of watch in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
I got to imagine that.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
I mean not that it doesn't happen in poorer families,
but because of the resources they had available to them,
I mean that's probably rampant across the West Side.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I mean, just to generalize, but it's just it's awful
when you hear them, very smart people, Rob and Michelle Reiner,
and it does an addiction does not discriminate. And certainly
how you react to addiction in your family, it doesn't
matter if you're the smartest person in the room. They
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talked openly about regretting forcing their son into programs, regretting
has sending them to all those rehabs, regretting listening to
people who were experts because they didn't really know their son.
We're talking a little bit about off the air, and
you said, you know, you always think yours is different.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
We always do.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
We always think, you know, our situation is different or
the exception.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
That's like the definition of being a parent, the assumption.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Or the inclination to believe that your kid is different,
your kid is special. I mean, we're ingrained to do
that because that helps us want to protect them from
whatever outside for it, they're going to get eaten by
a bear whatever the old term would, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
And that was the thing that Rob Reiner said in
all those interviews around the time that this movie came out.
We just want to keep them safe and we did.
We kept him safe. Yeah, but that's but not themselves.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
You mentioned some of more of the details, and we'll
talk about that when we come back. Specifically, we know
that their daughter lived across the street and was alerted
apparently by a missed massage on Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
We'll tell you about that and we come back.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Michael Monks is going to join us at the top
of the hour. We're going to get some of the
latest information. FBI and the Department of Justice announced that
arrest for the bomb plot that was targeting New Year's
Eve here in Los Angeles. He's going to have some
details on that. Also, Why what happens when mom takes
over your dating app profiles? Probably not a great idea
(15:26):
just in general, but sometimes I guess it could be funny.
Speaker 8 (15:30):
Hi, guys, it's an amazing subject. And I think that
you know, the phenomenon of craving that goes on with
somebody that has alcohol or drug addictions is just something
that can't really be described unless you've been there. You know,
you talk about relapse and things like that, and the
people that relapse have relapsed months, probably a longer time
(15:51):
than you think before they actually start using again. I've
been sober for nineteen years and I love life, and
it's great to have this life gradually.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
That's true.
Speaker 7 (16:01):
Hey, guys, great topic to be covering because this is
more widespread than people know, for sure. But having had
a daughter in addiction mode, you have to remember there's
a whole physiological side to this too, so it's not
just a matter of mind over matter. You need to
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beat the physical side as well as the emotional side,
so people keep that in mind. Love you guys.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Great, Yeah, beating.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
The physical side usually is doable, albeit difficult, but it's
that emotional side and if and I just I don't know,
everyone's situation is different, but I'm thinking, if you never
really buy into rehab, if you never really buy into
the programs and the experts and all that, I got
to believe you're constantly thinking, you know, maybe tomorrow, maybe
(16:51):
next week, maybe in two weeks, and get high again,
like you know what I mean, Because like that guy said,
it takes the relapse takes root in your mind long
before you touch whatever it is you're thinking about it.
And if they never really bought in, if he never
if the kid never bought and I want to say,
kit he's thirty three or thirty two years old, if
he never bought into all of the recovery that's got
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to go on, the hard stuff in those rehabs or
with those people at the diplomas, then you're not buying
into your You're not buying into your sobriety or what
have you.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
And is I don't know enough about his life to
make this generalization, if this would apply to his situation.
But isn't geography a part of it as well? I mean,
if you're gonna go if you're if you're dealing with
an addiction, and it's one thing for your family and
your immediate circle of friends to be supportive of it,
But then you just go back to the same place,
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I mean physically, you go back to the same place,
the same circumstances, the same friends, the same bad influences.
That's almost gonna will undermine any sort of success you have.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
There is a thought process of I can take myself
out of that geography.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
And I'll be fine. And that's not it. Well, like
that doesn't work for anybody, but.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
It may be a part of it maybe, yeah, right,
I mean that's the way I think of it. And again,
I'm not the one dealing with this necessarily the same.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I think a lot of people have gone to like
moved out of state, moved out of country, and said,
you know, if I remove myself from my surroundings right now,
I'll get sober.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
I won't touch that stuff. And they do that.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
That doesn't work, unfortunately, so Rob Reiner, by the way, uh,
Nick Reiner, This son the murderer has hired the best
of the best when it comes to defense attorneys. He
has hired Alan Jackson. You know Alan Jackson. He covers
the high profile cases. He's fresh off that win in
(18:47):
Boston and now I can't even remember her name.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
A woman accused of killing Reid.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Something, Karen Karen Reid, fresh off of that victory.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Now Alan Jackson, one of the best criminal defense attorne
he's out there, is taking on this client. Alan Jackson,
by the way, started in the La County DA's office
years ago. I covered several of his cases. Mickey Thompson,
I remember Phil Spector trial. He prosecuted that the murder
of Lana Clarkson. He is a big.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Money guy and.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
He will be the guy you see probably at the
podium today. He will be in the courthouse for the
arraignment this afternoon, and he will be very visible as
we move through this. But it turned out Rob Reiner
had booked a massage on the day he and his
wife were murdered.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
We know and we talked about yesterday TMZ was reporting
the first accounts of what appeared to be some sort
of a fight, disagreement, loud argument at Conan O'Brien's Christmas
party Saturday night. We also know that Nick apparently had
checked into a motel either late Saturday night or early
Sunday morning. The masseuse had apparently gone to the house
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just about two o'clock on Sunday afternoon, and she rang
the bell. She knocked a bunch of times, but left
because no one answered, and that prompted Romy, the daughter
living across the street, to go over to her parents' house,
and apparently she's the one that was able to get
in and of course make this awful discovery that they
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had been killed. She called Billy Crystal and his wife
because they are were very very close friends with the Rhiners,
and it's likely that Billy Crystal and his wife also
saw the grizzly outcome of all of this. I guess
it's possible an adult daughter might have access to security,
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doorbell camera something like that and recognized that somebody was
trying to get into the house, but that the parents weren't.
The parents weren't responding, and one of the first things
that apparently the daughter told the police was it might
be my brother and that he should be considered dangerous
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because of his past outbursts, because of his past violent history.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
In the article I was talking about earlier, the La
Times journalist who was working on a film festival ten
years ago when the movie was coming out about Addiction
that Rob Reiner did with his son Nick, and that
dinner that they had that he had with the family.
At one point the daughter was at the table and
she referred to her brother, who's a couple of years older,
as her best friend, and he said he wrote that
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she looked tired of explaining his actions, like we are
talking to therapists yesterday. It's a familial disease. It's a
whole family disease. When one person has an addiction, and
that she looked exhausted, kind of of explaining away his
behavior of advocating all of those things and being a
twenty two year old at the time. Twenty year old
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at the time. All right, so we are hearing more
about the last party the family had gone to Conan
O'Brien's fam party the night before the murders, and the
erratic behavior or I guess erratic, maybe a little bit dramatic,
but odd behavior that the Sun was exhibiting at that party.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
We'll talk about it when we come back.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
You heard Amy mention there it looks like Nick Reiner.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
It's not but medically cleared, as would be standard procedure
for him to show up in court today. So at
this point I'm not even sure that they're going to
do a court hearing time.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
That is very interesting. Not medically cleared for transport. That
sounds like a load of bs.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Alan Jackson's the best of what he does.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
No, he's not.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
You don't think he could come up with something like that.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
He's very good. I wouldn't say he's the best. He's
the best defense attorney, I think, right now, that's what
I mean. Yeah, I mean, I mean only because I'm
not practicing.
Speaker 9 (23:12):
Right, California Bar hasn't gotten back to you yet, right, God,
But this is odd.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I don't remember seeing this before, that a defendant is
not medically cleared to leave twin Towers?
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Where is he?
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Was there any.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Suggestion that there was a struggle or that he was
injured in some.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Way or no? So no, this seems like.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Even if he was high when he did something, this.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Seems like a precursor to a My client is whacked
out of his mind and not in his right mind
when he did that.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
And that's why I say, Alan Jackson is good at
what he does. Yeah, but we're talking about this case,
this awful case, and as we've mentioned a couple of times,
we will by the way, we're getting a lot of
stories from people, and we thank you for that. We'll
actually play some of them a little bit later. Because
this idea, this addiction being an individual problem but also
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being a familial problem, the uphill struggle that it is
dealing with addiction, We're getting a lot of stories from
people who have a fought and continue to stay sober,
despite the fact that they are addicts.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
And so those are all encouraging.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
But the story that we first reported was that this
was may have stemmed from a fight that happened, an
argument of some kind that happened while at a Christmas
party hosted by Conan O'Brien on Saturday night.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
They got into apparently a very loud argument which other
guests could hear. Rob Reiner and Michelle left the party,
and it's not known if Nick went home with his
parents at that time. What we are here is that
he was acting out by the way Hollywood's biggest stars
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were at this party, as you can imagine Conan O'Brien's
holiday party. And the report is is they brought him
along Nick to keep an eye on him. His parents
were already handling him. They were already on guard for something.
If you bring your kid somewhere so you can keep
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an eye on your kid, that kid needs supervision, even
if your kid is thirty two years old.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
This is the way that I read that.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
To keep an eye on him, he was apparently going
around this party and asking people, are you a famous person?
Speaker 2 (25:38):
You know?
Speaker 1 (25:38):
So just trying to poke pok pok poke right, trying
to embarrass his parents, probably still still being that.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Entitled child at thirty two years old.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
The narcissism that exists, unfortunately in an addicts is off
the charts and it me me me, me, me, me, me,
me me me, and you.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Can't see it if you're in the midst r right right.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Apparently Rob and Michelle left left the party, that is,
But in terms of what went on with Nick, they
very few people know exactly what it was.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Did he leave with them, did he go somewhere else?
Speaker 3 (26:25):
There was a report that he had checked into a
motel either late Saturday or early Sunday morning, maybe because
he didn't want to go home with them or whatever.
I mean, all of those details will come out when
we get some of the information out of LAPD and
the DA's office. So again, we'll continue talking about it
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as stuff comes up through the morning, maybe if we
find out some more information as well about whatever this
lack of medical clearance is for Nick Reiner, right, And we'll.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Get into your stories as well.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
You've been leaving them for us and we do appreciate that,
so we will get into that coming up.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
But next monks will join us.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
The latest on this La terror plot people a group
of four arrested for wanting to bomb various places on
New Year's Evil. Find out what we know about their
intent when we return.
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!