April 3, 2025 • 29 mins
#WHATSHAPPENING / Are straight men really the problem? Shannon invites some queer friends to talk about it.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty The Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
What Else is going on?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Time for What's Happening?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Stories we are following that seemed to be making the
rounds today. Unfortunately, a tragedy out of Oxnard by way
of the Valley. A teenager reported missing thirteen year old
boy under the San Fernando Vality over the weekend. His
body has been discovered. The FBI has been called in.
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La Police Roberty Homicide led the investigation. They received information
that his body may have been in a wooded area
in Oxnard, and that is in fact where they found
the body. You've got to believe they have an idea
of who is responsible for this. Otherwise we would know
that they were searching for someone who stole a thirteen
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year old boy and killed him if they didn't have
anybody in mind. This boy, Oscar Hernandez, a student at
Sun Valley Magnet School. Family says Oscar took a train
to Lancaster over the weekend to visit a friend, but
never came home. Reported missing on Sunday. Family said they
knew there was something wrong when they tried to call
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Oscar and the acquaintance would answer, saying that the teenager
could not come to the phone, then couldn't remember when
he dropped Oscar back off at the train station to
go home. So apparently we're talking about an acquaintance now,
see I readily or friend. But now acquaintance sounds like
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an adult person, doesn't it. And maybe that this acquaintance
slash adult person maybe the person that they are looking
at for the murder. The family has been talking to NBC.
Obviously no words, really not really talking. This is a
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little boy thirteen years old, love soccer and with nice
kid talk to anybody, his sister says Alexandra. But wow, unfortunate,
awful story, awful ending to that story of the missing
boy out of the valley. Storms have killed six people
in the South and Midwest. Forecasters say catastrophic rains floods
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is what we're looking at. Tornadoes, violent winds, flattening homes,
ripping apart buildings from Oklahoma to Indiana. And this is
just the first round of storms that are are going
to be setting record setting rains and life threatening flash
for floods across the Middle in the coming days. They
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say the six people killed were in western Tennessee, Missouri,
and Indiana. But I mean at least one of these
tornadoes launched debris five miles above the ground in Arkansas
closer to home. Will you could have some thunderstorms today?
Mentioned Mark Chrisky is back over there at KTLA. Looks amazing.
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My goodness, whoever does his freshening up should get an award.
Mark Krisky looks incredible. He looks the same way he
looked twenty years ago when I first moved to La.
Watching the KTLA morning news anyway, he said that by
noon today, So by now we could get some thunderstorms,
probably between noon and nine pm. That's the timetable twenty
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five percent chance that thunderstorms are going to move into
the valleys or even downtown Los Angeles, so it could
get some rain today. Got some animal news for you,
Why not? Have you heard about the majestic whale made
its way into the waters of Long Beach's Rainbow Harbor
this morning. So a lot of people near Catalina Express
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the dock there saw the massive whale loitering about ten
am near Golden Shore Drive and Shoreline village right across
from the Queen Mary still there. About an hour later,
they say it was a minky whale. Is that how
I say it? Or is it mink whale? But just gorgeous?
Speaker 4 (04:06):
You know.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
It's funny how when you see a whale like that
when you're not supposed to, it's always so great because
of all the money people spend to go on whale
watching trips, and they you don't always see the whales,
so when you do, just wow.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
How lucky?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Have you heard about the tortoise and the Galapagos. This
tortoise has become the oldest known first time mother of
her species. She is ninety seven years old, ninety seven,
and she's having her first baby. One of my best
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friends had her first son at forty two, and I
thought that sounds exhausting.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Ninety six.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
How long do these things live, these tortoises.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
They must live forever. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
I'm not doing the deep dive on that. Gary's not here,
but let me know. And then the latest shopping experience
is getting some attention today. It's in Lower Manhattan, fifty
four thousand square foot temple. Really is this department store?
It is a famed French department store. It's called print
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Teps and its print Teps in New York could be
saying that wrong, and they say that this is different
and of note because it has turned its back on technology.
Minimal screens inside, no shopping app, no e commerce website.
They're trying, They're betting on the success of an old
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fashioned face to face shopping experience to draw business. They said,
when they were conceptualizing the whole thing, screens were everywhere
and it didn't feel right.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
They said.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
The vibe we want here is people interacting with people.
We didn't want people looking at their screens. So it's
running counter to what you're seeing really everywhere else. You know,
you've seen retailers invest in apps, sending alerts when shoppers enter.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
The score store, QR codes. We've all seen all of this.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
There are connected fitting rooms now with features like buttons
where you can press to request a different size.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I'd love that.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
By the way, if you ever noticed this, it's like
a weird goldilocks thing in a fitting room. Deb Broah,
enough you've noticed this that like the attendant is either
overly attendant or under attendant, Like it's either. How's it going,
do you need more sizes? And you're like, I just
got in here, it's all good. Or you're in there
for like twenty minutes and you need a different size
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and you're just standing there naked, going should I put
my clothes on and go and get it?
Speaker 2 (06:35):
You know that?
Speaker 5 (06:35):
I think that makes me so it really pisses me off,
and I want to say to those people, you know,
I'm going to talk to your manager because I.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Just feel like, what are you doing?
Speaker 5 (06:46):
And then I see that they're on their phones or
they're chatting with each other, and.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
That drives me crazy. I don't want to be bothered,
right right.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
I don't want to be annoyed, right But I don't
want to be ignored.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I know.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
And it's gotten more so like that where they just
ignore you once you get in there and you get
out and they're all just standing there, you know, and
we're old.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
I think that's what well.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
I also want to say, you're obviously not on commission, right.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Oh my god, I don't imagine you doing either one
of those things?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Would are you?
Speaker 6 (07:15):
That?
Speaker 2 (07:15):
I would never have profiled you to say I want
to talk to your manager or.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
No, I haven't. I haven't but I think about it
all the time.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
That's like pretty woman stuff. I bet you're not commission.
I hope you're not operate on commission.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Do you know how many times I run through that
pretty woman yeah line in my head? I know, my god,
that's the best line ever I know. But but yeah,
I mean, I do get annoyed. I don't want to
be bothered where they're overly aggressive. But I really hate
when I'm ignored. If I need some help, don't I
don't really need a lot of help.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
But come on, Deborah is the one that goes back
to the store with all the bags in her hand,
and she goes, I was in here earlier.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
You refuse to help me. Big a mistake, big mistake. Huge.
I mean, that's the best part of the movie. Is Yeah,
do you love Robert so good? All right?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Coming up next? Oh my goodness, are we really doing this?
We're doing this. I tackled this story earlier about a
new course at you see Santa Barbara. It's about straight
relationships and oh the horror of being a straight person.
And I was making fun of it, and then I
got crap for being a straight person talking about the
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fact that there's no horror in being a straight person
by my gay friends, and so they're coming in to
help me tackle the topic of the first of its
kind seminar you see, Santa Barbara about critical heterosexuality studies,
so we can have some counter arguments to this when
we return.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
I forgot to get to this double booked LA marathon
and the Oscars will be held on the same day
next year.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
I'm a little bit worried.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Not that I'm running a marathon, but I signed up
for a ten k on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
I did this like a month and a half ago.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Because I did dry January and I was like, I
can run now, and so I signed up thinking I
could run and I still can't. And so now I'm
probably going to be rolled in here on Monday if
I make it. But anyway, the Oscars and the marathon
are going to be on March fifteenth next year. What
could go wrong? I mean, the marathon's got to go
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through Hollywood, right, what a mess?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Anyway? Who cares?
Speaker 1 (09:36):
We were talking earlier an article I told Keana this
morning when I came in, I said, I started reading
this article about this new course at UCSB, and it's
about straight people. It's called Critical Heterosexuality Studies, and it
is taught by female USB's chair of Feminist Studies, who
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is also a lesbian. And I said to Keana, like,
I started reading this article and then I was like, eh, no,
this is not interesting. But then I found myself reading
it for ten minutes and thought, well, if I have
enough interest in it to read it for ten minutes,
maybe other people do too.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
And I thought it was.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Fascinating because this woman, sociologist Jane Ward, is a lesbian,
and she's talking about or two kids who not kids,
college students who have questions. Sarah is one of them.
She's a comparative literature major from Long Beach. She says,
I feel bad for some of my straight friends. They're like,
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oh my god, my boyfriend got me flowers for the
first time in two years. Anthony says, I feel like
this class will answer.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
A lot of like why are they like that.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
He's a Global studies major and identifies as gay.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
There is Cimron. She's a psychology major.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
She describes herself as constantly confused about her sexuality, but
definitely not straight. She says, she has trouble imagining being
a pan without a man in the picture. What's that
all about, she wonders, And the sociologist who runs the course,
Jane Ward, says, let's try to answer all these questions
in the next few weeks. So I set out to
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tackle this this morning because they make it sound like
it's so hard to be a straight woman. Here's the
quote from the woman who runs the course. She says,
there was a hope that men were getting better with
each generation, that as time went on they'd be more
committed to gender justice or equity, and that did not
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come true. That it's really hard to be a straight woman.
Straight women's lives here's the quote, are very very hard.
And then Michael Munks came down the hall and made.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Fun of me.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
That's not true. Oh okay, I wasn't making fun of
you about this article. It was just in general.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Well, I didn't have a a perspective from somebody who's
not straight.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Yeah, I mean neither, right. Yeah, my mom's listening.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Your mom. What's her name?
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Pam?
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Pam?
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Hi, Pam, love your son. I really do. You are
a bright, bright sunshine spot in this building. And you
have been from go I'm Ritchie is here as well,
producer Richie.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Hey, what's up, guy? Why did you drag us both
in and just get it out in the open? I mean,
I want to be clear here.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
I thought like I was perplexed that there was a
lesbian teaching a seminar on straight studies. I thought that
I should have different perspectives as well.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
What kind of different perspectives?
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Well, I am a straight person and you are not. Yeah, right,
different perspective. So you just haul in a couple of
gays and let's get from this is called I have
gay friends.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
This is what you know.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
What happens is like a straight woman, yeah, who knows
a gay guy and then happens to have interacted with
some other gay guy out in the wilderness and thinks
those two gay guys should meet because they would be perfect.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
It's not true. That is not true.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
That is the limited understanding of that straight women have,
that is of gay men.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Untrue. That is so untrue. But I was just having
this conversation with one of my girlfriends. So I went
to grammar school with We both went to sant Isabella's
obviously Catholic school, and there was a single Jewish girl
in our class, and we were just texting about this
the other day. I said, remember when we had that
nice Jewish girl join the class of in small, small school.
Our class was maybe twenty five people. Nice Jewish girl
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joins the class in sixth grade and the teacher had
her get up and basically do like a presentation about
Jewish people, And like, how unfair is that she's she
shouldn't have to speak for all Jewish people just in
front of a bunch of Catholic kids. Like what makes
her suddenly the Jewish spokesperson. That's not what I'm doing here, Michael.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
I don't know. Did you wear a jumper to Catholic school?
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Yeah, I'm just picturing you now and the jumper listening
to the Jewish girl talk about Judaeus.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Yes, yes, we had jumpers, and then towards the end
we could wear skirts or kaki shorts.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Same here. Yeah, we were in that transition era too.
We're the same age, so yeah, it changed. Luckily, we
were lucky.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Thank god. If I had to wear the jumper through
eighth grade, well.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
I tried to wear a jumper and then I was
asked to leave.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yeah, I think you would have killed it anyway.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
So my takeaway from this, guys and your case in
point is I don't rely on my heterosexual husband to
be all the things for me. And that's kind of
her whole point is that she's expecting a straight relationship
to enrich these women completely. And the point was like,
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no relationship gay or straight or whatever fills all of
those boxes.
Speaker 7 (14:43):
Well, I've been seeing it for a while, so I
have zero idea. But honestly though, like I think it's right,
Like you shouldn't be expecting you for every second or
for every little thing, you know, just have fun with it,
you know.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
I guess I don't understand the thesis of this class.
It's a class taught by a lesbian about straight people.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Yes, she looks like Rosi o' donald.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
You know, I thought i'd take it a step further
because she's talking about you.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
That was not nice, because you can't enroll in the
class you're taking, Like the adjunct faculty here at KFI,
who are going to get you?
Speaker 1 (15:17):
If they're going to have a lesbian teach about straits
at Santa Barbara, I'm gonna get gay men to talk
about straight men and take it a step further.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
I can say, Look, I was I was in a
traditional social fraternity in college, so I was surrounded by
a lot of straight guys. And I think that what
you would be surprised to find, perhaps if you talk
to faculty members at UCSP, is that there are a
lot of different kinds straight guys.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
There are.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
There are a lot of different straight guys.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
That's the other problem. They're putting them all in one box.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
This sounds like a class that would have me within
fifteen minutes jumping out the window.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Agree, we'll get into your suicide when we come back. No,
but I also I just wanted to to talk about
the science. She did for this too is she went
to a new mom's group and then she also part
of the curriculum is a book that women wrote during
COVID when they were trapped with their straight husbands in
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the home for a year. Like this, these are not
the pools that we that we speak of, or that
we should speak to to find the merits.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Of straight I'm so glad to be so far from
a college campus these days. I know, Oh my gosh,
nothing makes me more crotchety than walking across a college campus.
I wish I had a cane. I don't walk with
the cane yet, but I can't wait to walk with
the cane because I'm gonna shake it.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Well, you're an old and that's why we have Ritchie
here for the conversation as well.
Speaker 6 (16:41):
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Speaker 1 (16:50):
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up to the northeast. Six people killed after storms. They
said that tornado debris was swept five miles in parts
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of Indiana there. I don't even know what that's like.
That's like anti m stuff. It's conceptual for me. Vice
President vance As a TikTok deal is in the works.
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Dance was granted a seventy five day extension from the
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US ban. I think Amazon through their hat in the
ring this week as well, so we'll see what goes
on for the beloved TikTok. Here's the headline in the
cut dot com. If hetero relationships are so bad, why
do women go back for more? That is the headline,
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like it's a choice. I guess it's the takeaway of
the article. And it's based off this course that you
see Santa Barbara. It's called Critical Heterosexuality Studies, and it
wonders why people are straight, and it brings up the
question that women or the idea that women could choose
one way or the other, and that things are really
hard for straight women because men, because men have not,
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as she writes, gotten better.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
I've brought in two gay men.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
With me.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
A couple straight men have wandered in and said, we
are what we are, which is my takeaway. You know
it is what it is. What are you looking for
in a straight man? Straight women? Are you expecting some
sort of unicorn? Are you expecting them to be everything
to you all at once?
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Like the movie?
Speaker 3 (18:57):
I see a lot of happy straight women out there I.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Do too, Like I didn't know I was living such.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
That's what I mean. Everybody's expectations are a little different.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
You know.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Does he take care of the family, Is he a
loving spouse?
Speaker 6 (19:09):
You know?
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Is he tough or is he loving and soft?
Speaker 1 (19:14):
You know?
Speaker 3 (19:14):
I mean women want different things, right, This is very generalizes.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
What do you guys think is the best thing about
straight men?
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Hmm? Go ahead, Richie.
Speaker 7 (19:22):
I mean I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Exactly. That's where I was.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Kinda say whatever you want. Gary's not here, okay, cool.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
I feel like, you know, you know, Okay, I don't.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Why don't I answer as someone who's been you know,
has always had close friendships with straight guys. I like
the way that they treat me. I think in the
late nineties early two thousands, the acceptance of just gay
people in general was kind of skyrocketing because of media
influences and that sort of thing, and it was kind
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of a good time to come of age, and it
started with straight girls who were everything, you know, to
help gay guys kind of navigate life. So straight girls
have always been really important, and I think after a
few years of that, straight guys wanted in on the action,
like what is the allure of these gay friends? And
I got into a social fraternity, you know, I'm talkap epsilon, right.
I mean that was all guys, macho guys, and I
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felt like they were willing to open up and you
learned a softer side of them. They wanted fashion tips,
they wanted to improve themselves, and so.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
I saw Gus watch that show.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
But I often preface this like, I'm not the gay friend,
you know what I mean, Like, I'm not I've never
been that guy. I'm not the girl's gay friend. I'm
not the guy's gay friend. I don't want to tell
you I can help you put a sweater on, right,
But I don't want to talk about that sort of thing,
you know.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Like just be yourself with me. But you're from the
South to upper self. You're a man's man, gay man.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
I'm not, though, you know, I mean, I don't. I
don't say that to be like, oh look how masculine
I am.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
You know, it's not that I'm saying that. I just
I think you could build something you think like what
I don't know, like a barn. Yeah, do you think
you grow up with, you know, farms.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
I'm from the city, oh yeah, I've never been on
a horse. I mean, I'm from.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
KENTUCKI but like we have you know, never mind, we
have a lot of people there. I like to say this,
like some people can clock me from a distance. Right,
it's not but if you pass, if you pass me
in a grocery store, you might not know unless you're
in the owl with me long enough to see me.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Reach for something.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
And then I'm kind of you know, you're seeing the wrist,
I'm holding something I'm looking at and then you're like, ahay, I.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Look at you. I think wife, two small children.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Yeah, you would have been that way. Yeah, it could
have been.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
That way, like you both read the paper on Sunday mornings.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Hey, seventy years ago, it would have been that way.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Really yeah, I would have been a good dad and
a miserable, miserable man. But I would have played the part.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Why seven years seventy right?
Speaker 3 (21:52):
You know, like where do we go back to the
fifties or something?
Speaker 2 (21:54):
It was like, was there a change seven years ago? Richie?
What do you like about straight man?
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Okay, so since she hated on straight men for an
entire college course, we're going to celebrate straight men.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
You know, I have a lot of friends.
Speaker 7 (22:07):
I have gay, straight, all types of friends, and growing
up here in Los Angeles, it wasn't out of the
norm to you know, be mixing the group. For me,
I grew up with four older straight brothers, so growing
up with me, they always kind of like tough me out.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
A little bit. And I feel like I'm pretty myself.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Like I'm build something m.
Speaker 7 (22:28):
Probably not now okay, all right going maybe like some
you know, legos or something growing up, but no, like
with straight guys, like I feel like, you know, my
relationships with my friends are pretty chill. Like there's sometimes where,
you know, I interact with someone at a bar or
through a close friend and they'll be like, hey, you're
cool for a gay guy, just don't hit on me.
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I'm like, bruh, you're not even might tired. First of all,
it's so calm down, sit down, So there's a little
bit of everything, to be honest, but for me personally,
like I'm chill.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
You know, I'm wondering if it's a men thing that
they have, not gay or straight, but just a men
problem that they have in this college course in terms
of and I don't know this because I've never lived
with a gay man. But in terms of they talk
in the article about things that are done around the house, communication, camaraderie.
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I don't know if that means, you know, when it
comes to where do you want to have dinner and
the dude always goes, well, I don't know where do
you want to go to dinner? That's not a gay
straight thing, that's just a man thing, right.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I would say, so monks, I mean, I don't mean
to loop y'all.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
In no, I think that's sort of what I was
saying before, is that men are men. Beside from like
our sexual attraction to whatever it is at the at
the same time, we're diverse.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
But you know, we are easy.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
You know, we're food, sex, sports, you know, or activity
recreation some here. Yeah, you know, like we're a very
simple straight access. But if there was one quote you
said that I you read, I'm sorry from from this
that that talked about somebody who's gonna be I guess
a part of this class or no. Danny as psychology
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and brain sciences major from Dallas, who is bisexual, confessed
that she'd observed her self behave in ways that disturbed
her when she dated men. She was more submissive, more
self conscious, inattentive to her own needs and needs, and
wanted to understand why. Okay, that part's fair, I suppose
if you wanted to talk to somebody about that. I
don't know if it's worthy of college credit. But the
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next one, Julia, who cheekly revealed that she's actually straight
but queer enough to be here. So she thinks a
lot of straight relationships create that kind of insecurity.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
You know, what does that mean? That's why I can't
make mail.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Jus, what does it even mean? Girlfriends?
Speaker 4 (24:50):
You know, it used to be people were gay and
people were straight, and now there's this weirdness to it
all old again.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
I know.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
That's what I mean why I can't get my head
around this, Because if this straight woman identifies as queer,
how can I identify as anything that she is? What
do we share in common in that respect? That's why
I'm jumping out of the window of this class.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
I have question.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
You're not jumping out of any windows yet till we
come back.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
We are continuing our conversation about this course.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
You see SB you know it's funny.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Once in a while, these college courses will come up,
like I think Taylor Swift was the latest. There's a
whole curriculum devoted to her and her career and all
of that. And now there is a curriculum about straight people.
You see SB. One of my buddies, Scott texting me. Now,
I'm embarrassed to be a U see Santa Barbara graduate.
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But they say that this is a topic being straight
that has been largely unexamined, that it's the wallpaper against
which other exhibits are hung. It just is maybe because
it's just not as fascinating. But I mean, every tendency
has been around forever, right, Yeah, everybody's kind of deal,
(26:19):
they say, though, I think part of it is that
there's been this conversation about women moving away from men
recently because of the need to label everything the way
that this reporter Jessica Bennett writes in the cut. She
says that enough young American women are fed up with
current realities when it comes to straight guys to make
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a sizable trend of their own, declaring themselves boy sober
or voluntarily celibate, proclaiming themselves part of the four B
movement this is from South Korea rejects all sexual and
romantic relationships with men, to which I say, doesn't everybody
take a break from dating or guys or girls or whatever?
Speaker 8 (27:01):
At one point one hundred percent, Like if I wasn't
married and I was single, I would be like, I'm
just gonna like, I don't have that tendency to want
to go date and search and go hook up with
guys Like it's I'm lazy.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
I just want to sit in bed and eat McDonald's.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Yeah, my single girlfriends, they'll go through a phase of
being on the apps and trying to meet dudes and
then be tired of it when then just like ignore
it for six months or whatever.
Speaker 7 (27:33):
I'm going through a dry spell right now, but it's
only because like I'm just so busy, so I'm trying
to balance it all.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Hundred and five to two one was the number again,
five to two oh one, KFI, we'll get Richie out
of his dry spell.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Call me or John. John's coming up in a couple
of minutes.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Johnald Field calls for you, just kidding, don't call but
you're going through a dry spell?
Speaker 7 (27:58):
Why just because it's I'm just so busy right now. Oh,
like if I show you my dating now, So.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
That's a real thing. When guys say I'm just really busy,
they are.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
I'm extremely busy.
Speaker 7 (28:07):
Yeah, there's no time, but you know there's going to
be a point where I'm going to have to make
some time.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Are you looking for somebody?
Speaker 3 (28:16):
No?
Speaker 2 (28:16):
No, no, m M.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
It's almost summer, Shannon, I know it's okay. You can
call me Sharon clear. People anticipate the ours and Farren. Yeah,
it's like it's a Tuesday for me to be called Sharon.
So yeah, summer is approaching. But are you gonna have kids? No?
Speaker 3 (28:34):
I have a lot of nieces and I think I'm solid.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah, me too, same same. All right.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Well, John and Ken are coming up. I think that
we have done some real work here today and Defense
of straight Men.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Uh with just.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
The John Show?
Speaker 2 (28:49):
What did I say, John and Kent?
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Well, listen, Old Diehard. I've been texting with Ken all
week long, so he's on your mind, on my mind.
John Cobets show coming up next tomorrow. We have a
big day on the show. We have more guests to
break down how the tariffs are affecting Wall Street.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
We'll see if this selloff continues.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
And also the nine News Nuggets You need to know
why you shouldn't send naked videos to coworkers, very hard hitting.
We'll see you tomorrow. Stay dry out there.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
What Else is going on?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Time for What's Happening?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Stories we are following that seemed to be making the
rounds today. Unfortunately, a tragedy out of Oxnard by way
of the Valley. A teenager reported missing thirteen year old
boy under the San Fernando Vality over the weekend. His
body has been discovered. The FBI has been called in.
(00:36):
La Police Roberty Homicide led the investigation. They received information
that his body may have been in a wooded area
in Oxnard, and that is in fact where they found
the body. You've got to believe they have an idea
of who is responsible for this. Otherwise we would know
that they were searching for someone who stole a thirteen
(00:58):
year old boy and killed him if they didn't have
anybody in mind. This boy, Oscar Hernandez, a student at
Sun Valley Magnet School. Family says Oscar took a train
to Lancaster over the weekend to visit a friend, but
never came home. Reported missing on Sunday. Family said they
knew there was something wrong when they tried to call
(01:19):
Oscar and the acquaintance would answer, saying that the teenager
could not come to the phone, then couldn't remember when
he dropped Oscar back off at the train station to
go home. So apparently we're talking about an acquaintance now,
see I readily or friend. But now acquaintance sounds like
(01:40):
an adult person, doesn't it. And maybe that this acquaintance
slash adult person maybe the person that they are looking
at for the murder. The family has been talking to NBC.
Obviously no words, really not really talking. This is a
(02:00):
little boy thirteen years old, love soccer and with nice
kid talk to anybody, his sister says Alexandra. But wow, unfortunate,
awful story, awful ending to that story of the missing
boy out of the valley. Storms have killed six people
in the South and Midwest. Forecasters say catastrophic rains floods
(02:22):
is what we're looking at. Tornadoes, violent winds, flattening homes,
ripping apart buildings from Oklahoma to Indiana. And this is
just the first round of storms that are are going
to be setting record setting rains and life threatening flash
for floods across the Middle in the coming days. They
(02:42):
say the six people killed were in western Tennessee, Missouri,
and Indiana. But I mean at least one of these
tornadoes launched debris five miles above the ground in Arkansas
closer to home. Will you could have some thunderstorms today?
Mentioned Mark Chrisky is back over there at KTLA. Looks amazing.
(03:03):
My goodness, whoever does his freshening up should get an award.
Mark Krisky looks incredible. He looks the same way he
looked twenty years ago when I first moved to La.
Watching the KTLA morning news anyway, he said that by
noon today, So by now we could get some thunderstorms,
probably between noon and nine pm. That's the timetable twenty
(03:27):
five percent chance that thunderstorms are going to move into
the valleys or even downtown Los Angeles, so it could
get some rain today. Got some animal news for you,
Why not? Have you heard about the majestic whale made
its way into the waters of Long Beach's Rainbow Harbor
this morning. So a lot of people near Catalina Express
(03:47):
the dock there saw the massive whale loitering about ten
am near Golden Shore Drive and Shoreline village right across
from the Queen Mary still there. About an hour later,
they say it was a minky whale. Is that how
I say it? Or is it mink whale? But just gorgeous?
Speaker 4 (04:06):
You know.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
It's funny how when you see a whale like that
when you're not supposed to, it's always so great because
of all the money people spend to go on whale
watching trips, and they you don't always see the whales,
so when you do, just wow.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
How lucky?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Have you heard about the tortoise and the Galapagos. This
tortoise has become the oldest known first time mother of
her species. She is ninety seven years old, ninety seven,
and she's having her first baby. One of my best
(04:40):
friends had her first son at forty two, and I
thought that sounds exhausting.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Ninety six.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
How long do these things live, these tortoises.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
They must live forever. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
I'm not doing the deep dive on that. Gary's not here,
but let me know. And then the latest shopping experience
is getting some attention today. It's in Lower Manhattan, fifty
four thousand square foot temple. Really is this department store?
It is a famed French department store. It's called print
(05:12):
Teps and its print Teps in New York could be
saying that wrong, and they say that this is different
and of note because it has turned its back on technology.
Minimal screens inside, no shopping app, no e commerce website.
They're trying, They're betting on the success of an old
(05:33):
fashioned face to face shopping experience to draw business. They said,
when they were conceptualizing the whole thing, screens were everywhere
and it didn't feel right.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
They said.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
The vibe we want here is people interacting with people.
We didn't want people looking at their screens. So it's
running counter to what you're seeing really everywhere else. You know,
you've seen retailers invest in apps, sending alerts when shoppers enter.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
The score store, QR codes. We've all seen all of this.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
There are connected fitting rooms now with features like buttons
where you can press to request a different size.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I'd love that.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
By the way, if you ever noticed this, it's like
a weird goldilocks thing in a fitting room. Deb Broah,
enough you've noticed this that like the attendant is either
overly attendant or under attendant, Like it's either. How's it going,
do you need more sizes? And you're like, I just
got in here, it's all good. Or you're in there
for like twenty minutes and you need a different size
(06:31):
and you're just standing there naked, going should I put
my clothes on and go and get it?
Speaker 2 (06:35):
You know that?
Speaker 5 (06:35):
I think that makes me so it really pisses me off,
and I want to say to those people, you know,
I'm going to talk to your manager because I.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Just feel like, what are you doing?
Speaker 5 (06:46):
And then I see that they're on their phones or
they're chatting with each other, and.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
That drives me crazy. I don't want to be bothered,
right right.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
I don't want to be annoyed, right But I don't
want to be ignored.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I know.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
And it's gotten more so like that where they just
ignore you once you get in there and you get
out and they're all just standing there, you know, and
we're old.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
I think that's what well.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
I also want to say, you're obviously not on commission, right.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Oh my god, I don't imagine you doing either one
of those things?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Would are you?
Speaker 6 (07:15):
That?
Speaker 2 (07:15):
I would never have profiled you to say I want
to talk to your manager or.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
No, I haven't. I haven't but I think about it
all the time.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
That's like pretty woman stuff. I bet you're not commission.
I hope you're not operate on commission.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Do you know how many times I run through that
pretty woman yeah line in my head? I know, my god,
that's the best line ever I know. But but yeah,
I mean, I do get annoyed. I don't want to
be bothered where they're overly aggressive. But I really hate
when I'm ignored. If I need some help, don't I
don't really need a lot of help.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
But come on, Deborah is the one that goes back
to the store with all the bags in her hand,
and she goes, I was in here earlier.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
You refuse to help me. Big a mistake, big mistake. Huge.
I mean, that's the best part of the movie. Is Yeah,
do you love Robert so good? All right?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Coming up next? Oh my goodness, are we really doing this?
We're doing this. I tackled this story earlier about a
new course at you see Santa Barbara. It's about straight
relationships and oh the horror of being a straight person.
And I was making fun of it, and then I
got crap for being a straight person talking about the
(08:24):
fact that there's no horror in being a straight person
by my gay friends, and so they're coming in to
help me tackle the topic of the first of its
kind seminar you see, Santa Barbara about critical heterosexuality studies,
so we can have some counter arguments to this when
we return.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
I forgot to get to this double booked LA marathon
and the Oscars will be held on the same day
next year.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
I'm a little bit worried.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Not that I'm running a marathon, but I signed up
for a ten k on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
I did this like a month and a half ago.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Because I did dry January and I was like, I
can run now, and so I signed up thinking I
could run and I still can't. And so now I'm
probably going to be rolled in here on Monday if
I make it. But anyway, the Oscars and the marathon
are going to be on March fifteenth next year. What
could go wrong? I mean, the marathon's got to go
(09:32):
through Hollywood, right, what a mess?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Anyway? Who cares?
Speaker 1 (09:36):
We were talking earlier an article I told Keana this
morning when I came in, I said, I started reading
this article about this new course at UCSB, and it's
about straight people. It's called Critical Heterosexuality Studies, and it
is taught by female USB's chair of Feminist Studies, who
(09:57):
is also a lesbian. And I said to Keana, like,
I started reading this article and then I was like, eh, no,
this is not interesting. But then I found myself reading
it for ten minutes and thought, well, if I have
enough interest in it to read it for ten minutes,
maybe other people do too.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
And I thought it was.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Fascinating because this woman, sociologist Jane Ward, is a lesbian,
and she's talking about or two kids who not kids,
college students who have questions. Sarah is one of them.
She's a comparative literature major from Long Beach. She says,
I feel bad for some of my straight friends. They're like,
(10:35):
oh my god, my boyfriend got me flowers for the
first time in two years. Anthony says, I feel like
this class will answer.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
A lot of like why are they like that.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
He's a Global studies major and identifies as gay.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
There is Cimron. She's a psychology major.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
She describes herself as constantly confused about her sexuality, but
definitely not straight. She says, she has trouble imagining being
a pan without a man in the picture. What's that
all about, she wonders, And the sociologist who runs the course,
Jane Ward, says, let's try to answer all these questions
in the next few weeks. So I set out to
(11:13):
tackle this this morning because they make it sound like
it's so hard to be a straight woman. Here's the
quote from the woman who runs the course. She says,
there was a hope that men were getting better with
each generation, that as time went on they'd be more
committed to gender justice or equity, and that did not
(11:34):
come true. That it's really hard to be a straight woman.
Straight women's lives here's the quote, are very very hard.
And then Michael Munks came down the hall and made.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Fun of me.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
That's not true. Oh okay, I wasn't making fun of
you about this article. It was just in general.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Well, I didn't have a a perspective from somebody who's
not straight.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Yeah, I mean neither, right. Yeah, my mom's listening.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Your mom. What's her name?
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Pam?
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Pam?
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Hi, Pam, love your son. I really do. You are
a bright, bright sunshine spot in this building. And you
have been from go I'm Ritchie is here as well,
producer Richie.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Hey, what's up, guy? Why did you drag us both
in and just get it out in the open? I mean,
I want to be clear here.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
I thought like I was perplexed that there was a
lesbian teaching a seminar on straight studies. I thought that
I should have different perspectives as well.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
What kind of different perspectives?
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Well, I am a straight person and you are not. Yeah, right,
different perspective. So you just haul in a couple of
gays and let's get from this is called I have
gay friends.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
This is what you know.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
What happens is like a straight woman, yeah, who knows
a gay guy and then happens to have interacted with
some other gay guy out in the wilderness and thinks
those two gay guys should meet because they would be perfect.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
It's not true. That is not true.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
That is the limited understanding of that straight women have,
that is of gay men.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Untrue. That is so untrue. But I was just having
this conversation with one of my girlfriends. So I went
to grammar school with We both went to sant Isabella's
obviously Catholic school, and there was a single Jewish girl
in our class, and we were just texting about this
the other day. I said, remember when we had that
nice Jewish girl join the class of in small, small school.
Our class was maybe twenty five people. Nice Jewish girl
(13:29):
joins the class in sixth grade and the teacher had
her get up and basically do like a presentation about
Jewish people, And like, how unfair is that she's she
shouldn't have to speak for all Jewish people just in
front of a bunch of Catholic kids. Like what makes
her suddenly the Jewish spokesperson. That's not what I'm doing here, Michael.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
I don't know. Did you wear a jumper to Catholic school?
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Yeah, I'm just picturing you now and the jumper listening
to the Jewish girl talk about Judaeus.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Yes, yes, we had jumpers, and then towards the end
we could wear skirts or kaki shorts.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Same here. Yeah, we were in that transition era too.
We're the same age, so yeah, it changed. Luckily, we
were lucky.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Thank god. If I had to wear the jumper through
eighth grade, well.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
I tried to wear a jumper and then I was
asked to leave.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yeah, I think you would have killed it anyway.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
So my takeaway from this, guys and your case in
point is I don't rely on my heterosexual husband to
be all the things for me. And that's kind of
her whole point is that she's expecting a straight relationship
to enrich these women completely. And the point was like,
(14:37):
no relationship gay or straight or whatever fills all of
those boxes.
Speaker 7 (14:43):
Well, I've been seeing it for a while, so I
have zero idea. But honestly though, like I think it's right,
Like you shouldn't be expecting you for every second or
for every little thing, you know, just have fun with it,
you know.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
I guess I don't understand the thesis of this class.
It's a class taught by a lesbian about straight people.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Yes, she looks like Rosi o' donald.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
You know, I thought i'd take it a step further
because she's talking about you.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
That was not nice, because you can't enroll in the
class you're taking, Like the adjunct faculty here at KFI,
who are going to get you?
Speaker 1 (15:17):
If they're going to have a lesbian teach about straits
at Santa Barbara, I'm gonna get gay men to talk
about straight men and take it a step further.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
I can say, Look, I was I was in a
traditional social fraternity in college, so I was surrounded by
a lot of straight guys. And I think that what
you would be surprised to find, perhaps if you talk
to faculty members at UCSP, is that there are a
lot of different kinds straight guys.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
There are.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
There are a lot of different straight guys.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
That's the other problem. They're putting them all in one box.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
This sounds like a class that would have me within
fifteen minutes jumping out the window.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Agree, we'll get into your suicide when we come back. No,
but I also I just wanted to to talk about
the science. She did for this too is she went
to a new mom's group and then she also part
of the curriculum is a book that women wrote during
COVID when they were trapped with their straight husbands in
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the home for a year. Like this, these are not
the pools that we that we speak of, or that
we should speak to to find the merits.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Of straight I'm so glad to be so far from
a college campus these days. I know, Oh my gosh,
nothing makes me more crotchety than walking across a college campus.
I wish I had a cane. I don't walk with
the cane yet, but I can't wait to walk with
the cane because I'm gonna shake it.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Well, you're an old and that's why we have Ritchie
here for the conversation as well.
Speaker 6 (16:41):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from kfi
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going on. Deadly storm that we talked about moving through
the middle of the country, threatening more than fifty five
million people, severe weather, parts of taxes all the way
up to the northeast. Six people killed after storms. They
said that tornado debris was swept five miles in parts
(17:15):
of Indiana there. I don't even know what that's like.
That's like anti m stuff. It's conceptual for me. Vice
President vance As a TikTok deal is in the works.
Saturday deadline is approaching, said in an interview with Fox
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(17:37):
Dance was granted a seventy five day extension from the
original January nineteenth deadline to divest or face a permanent
US ban. I think Amazon through their hat in the
ring this week as well, so we'll see what goes
on for the beloved TikTok. Here's the headline in the
cut dot com. If hetero relationships are so bad, why
do women go back for more? That is the headline,
(18:00):
like it's a choice. I guess it's the takeaway of
the article. And it's based off this course that you
see Santa Barbara. It's called Critical Heterosexuality Studies, and it
wonders why people are straight, and it brings up the
question that women or the idea that women could choose
one way or the other, and that things are really
hard for straight women because men, because men have not,
(18:23):
as she writes, gotten better.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
I've brought in two gay men.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
With me.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
A couple straight men have wandered in and said, we
are what we are, which is my takeaway. You know
it is what it is. What are you looking for
in a straight man? Straight women? Are you expecting some
sort of unicorn? Are you expecting them to be everything
to you all at once?
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Like the movie?
Speaker 3 (18:57):
I see a lot of happy straight women out there I.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Do too, Like I didn't know I was living such.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
That's what I mean. Everybody's expectations are a little different.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
You know.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Does he take care of the family, Is he a
loving spouse?
Speaker 6 (19:09):
You know?
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Is he tough or is he loving and soft?
Speaker 1 (19:14):
You know?
Speaker 3 (19:14):
I mean women want different things, right, This is very generalizes.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
What do you guys think is the best thing about
straight men?
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Hmm? Go ahead, Richie.
Speaker 7 (19:22):
I mean I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Exactly. That's where I was.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Kinda say whatever you want. Gary's not here, okay, cool.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
I feel like, you know, you know, Okay, I don't.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Why don't I answer as someone who's been you know,
has always had close friendships with straight guys. I like
the way that they treat me. I think in the
late nineties early two thousands, the acceptance of just gay
people in general was kind of skyrocketing because of media
influences and that sort of thing, and it was kind
(19:57):
of a good time to come of age, and it
started with straight girls who were everything, you know, to
help gay guys kind of navigate life. So straight girls
have always been really important, and I think after a
few years of that, straight guys wanted in on the action,
like what is the allure of these gay friends? And
I got into a social fraternity, you know, I'm talkap epsilon, right.
I mean that was all guys, macho guys, and I
(20:19):
felt like they were willing to open up and you
learned a softer side of them. They wanted fashion tips,
they wanted to improve themselves, and so.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
I saw Gus watch that show.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
But I often preface this like, I'm not the gay friend,
you know what I mean, Like, I'm not I've never
been that guy. I'm not the girl's gay friend. I'm
not the guy's gay friend. I don't want to tell
you I can help you put a sweater on, right,
But I don't want to talk about that sort of thing,
you know.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Like just be yourself with me. But you're from the
South to upper self. You're a man's man, gay man.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
I'm not, though, you know, I mean, I don't. I
don't say that to be like, oh look how masculine
I am.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
You know, it's not that I'm saying that. I just
I think you could build something you think like what
I don't know, like a barn. Yeah, do you think
you grow up with, you know, farms.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
I'm from the city, oh yeah, I've never been on
a horse. I mean, I'm from.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
KENTUCKI but like we have you know, never mind, we
have a lot of people there. I like to say this,
like some people can clock me from a distance. Right,
it's not but if you pass, if you pass me
in a grocery store, you might not know unless you're
in the owl with me long enough to see me.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Reach for something.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
And then I'm kind of you know, you're seeing the wrist,
I'm holding something I'm looking at and then you're like, ahay, I.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Look at you. I think wife, two small children.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Yeah, you would have been that way. Yeah, it could
have been.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
That way, like you both read the paper on Sunday mornings.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Hey, seventy years ago, it would have been that way.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Really yeah, I would have been a good dad and
a miserable, miserable man. But I would have played the part.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Why seven years seventy right?
Speaker 3 (21:52):
You know, like where do we go back to the
fifties or something?
Speaker 2 (21:54):
It was like, was there a change seven years ago? Richie?
What do you like about straight man?
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Okay, so since she hated on straight men for an
entire college course, we're going to celebrate straight men.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
You know, I have a lot of friends.
Speaker 7 (22:07):
I have gay, straight, all types of friends, and growing
up here in Los Angeles, it wasn't out of the
norm to you know, be mixing the group. For me,
I grew up with four older straight brothers, so growing
up with me, they always kind of like tough me out.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
A little bit. And I feel like I'm pretty myself.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Like I'm build something m.
Speaker 7 (22:28):
Probably not now okay, all right going maybe like some
you know, legos or something growing up, but no, like
with straight guys, like I feel like, you know, my
relationships with my friends are pretty chill. Like there's sometimes where,
you know, I interact with someone at a bar or
through a close friend and they'll be like, hey, you're
cool for a gay guy, just don't hit on me.
(22:50):
I'm like, bruh, you're not even might tired. First of all,
it's so calm down, sit down, So there's a little
bit of everything, to be honest, but for me personally,
like I'm chill.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
You know, I'm wondering if it's a men thing that
they have, not gay or straight, but just a men
problem that they have in this college course in terms
of and I don't know this because I've never lived
with a gay man. But in terms of they talk
in the article about things that are done around the house, communication, camaraderie.
(23:23):
I don't know if that means, you know, when it
comes to where do you want to have dinner and
the dude always goes, well, I don't know where do
you want to go to dinner? That's not a gay
straight thing, that's just a man thing, right.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I would say, so monks, I mean, I don't mean
to loop y'all.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
In no, I think that's sort of what I was
saying before, is that men are men. Beside from like
our sexual attraction to whatever it is at the at
the same time, we're diverse.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
But you know, we are easy.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
You know, we're food, sex, sports, you know, or activity
recreation some here. Yeah, you know, like we're a very
simple straight access. But if there was one quote you
said that I you read, I'm sorry from from this
that that talked about somebody who's gonna be I guess
a part of this class or no. Danny as psychology
(24:15):
and brain sciences major from Dallas, who is bisexual, confessed
that she'd observed her self behave in ways that disturbed
her when she dated men. She was more submissive, more
self conscious, inattentive to her own needs and needs, and
wanted to understand why. Okay, that part's fair, I suppose
if you wanted to talk to somebody about that. I
don't know if it's worthy of college credit. But the
(24:35):
next one, Julia, who cheekly revealed that she's actually straight
but queer enough to be here. So she thinks a
lot of straight relationships create that kind of insecurity.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
You know, what does that mean? That's why I can't
make mail.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Jus, what does it even mean? Girlfriends?
Speaker 4 (24:50):
You know, it used to be people were gay and
people were straight, and now there's this weirdness to it
all old again.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
I know.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
That's what I mean why I can't get my head
around this, Because if this straight woman identifies as queer,
how can I identify as anything that she is? What
do we share in common in that respect? That's why
I'm jumping out of the window of this class.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
I have question.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
You're not jumping out of any windows yet till we
come back.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
We are continuing our conversation about this course.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
You see SB you know it's funny.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Once in a while, these college courses will come up,
like I think Taylor Swift was the latest. There's a
whole curriculum devoted to her and her career and all
of that. And now there is a curriculum about straight people.
You see SB. One of my buddies, Scott texting me. Now,
I'm embarrassed to be a U see Santa Barbara graduate.
(25:53):
But they say that this is a topic being straight
that has been largely unexamined, that it's the wallpaper against
which other exhibits are hung. It just is maybe because
it's just not as fascinating. But I mean, every tendency
has been around forever, right, Yeah, everybody's kind of deal,
(26:19):
they say, though, I think part of it is that
there's been this conversation about women moving away from men
recently because of the need to label everything the way
that this reporter Jessica Bennett writes in the cut. She
says that enough young American women are fed up with
current realities when it comes to straight guys to make
(26:42):
a sizable trend of their own, declaring themselves boy sober
or voluntarily celibate, proclaiming themselves part of the four B
movement this is from South Korea rejects all sexual and
romantic relationships with men, to which I say, doesn't everybody
take a break from dating or guys or girls or whatever?
Speaker 8 (27:01):
At one point one hundred percent, Like if I wasn't
married and I was single, I would be like, I'm
just gonna like, I don't have that tendency to want
to go date and search and go hook up with
guys Like it's I'm lazy.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
I just want to sit in bed and eat McDonald's.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Yeah, my single girlfriends, they'll go through a phase of
being on the apps and trying to meet dudes and
then be tired of it when then just like ignore
it for six months or whatever.
Speaker 7 (27:33):
I'm going through a dry spell right now, but it's
only because like I'm just so busy, so I'm trying
to balance it all.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Hundred and five to two one was the number again,
five to two oh one, KFI, we'll get Richie out
of his dry spell.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Call me or John. John's coming up in a couple
of minutes.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Johnald Field calls for you, just kidding, don't call but
you're going through a dry spell?
Speaker 7 (27:58):
Why just because it's I'm just so busy right now. Oh,
like if I show you my dating now, So.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
That's a real thing. When guys say I'm just really busy,
they are.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
I'm extremely busy.
Speaker 7 (28:07):
Yeah, there's no time, but you know there's going to
be a point where I'm going to have to make
some time.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Are you looking for somebody?
Speaker 3 (28:16):
No?
Speaker 2 (28:16):
No, no, m M.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
It's almost summer, Shannon, I know it's okay. You can
call me Sharon clear. People anticipate the ours and Farren. Yeah,
it's like it's a Tuesday for me to be called Sharon.
So yeah, summer is approaching. But are you gonna have kids? No?
Speaker 3 (28:34):
I have a lot of nieces and I think I'm solid.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah, me too, same same. All right.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Well, John and Ken are coming up. I think that
we have done some real work here today and Defense
of straight Men.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Uh with just.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
The John Show?
Speaker 2 (28:49):
What did I say, John and Kent?
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Well, listen, Old Diehard. I've been texting with Ken all
week long, so he's on your mind, on my mind.
John Cobets show coming up next tomorrow. We have a
big day on the show. We have more guests to
break down how the tariffs are affecting Wall Street.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
We'll see if this selloff continues.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
And also the nine News Nuggets You need to know
why you shouldn't send naked videos to coworkers, very hard hitting.
We'll see you tomorrow. Stay dry out there.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
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