September 10, 2025 • 28 mins
Conan Nolan joins the show as Gary’s special guest for the day: Who is best fit to run for CA Governor, Gerrymandering/ Prop 50 Redistricting/ His experience during Loma Prieta Earthquake.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
We've been telling you all week Shannon's going to be out,
but she'll be back next week. She's taking care of
mom as mom goes through some surgery. So our thoughts
prayers are with Shannon and her mom, Diane, especially today,
so hopefully we'll get to check in with her before
the end of the week and see how things are going.
Two major things that are going on in the world today.
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Number one is World War three may just have had
its prologue, if you will. More than a dozen Russian
drones entered Poland overnight and that prompted NATO to scramble
fighter jets, some F sixteen, some F thirty five to
shoot them down.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
This is arguably.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
The worst escalation perhaps that we have seen in terms
of the war between Russia and Ukraine, and it is
the first time in the history of name should not
be understated, it is the first time in the history
of NATO that Alliance fighters have engaged enemy targets in
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Allied airspace. It's not just a onesie or a twosie.
There were at least nineteen or twenty drones that made
their way into Polish airspace. We'll talk about it a
little bit later in the show. We'll get some more
details as we go. The other thing is the word
reckless is going to be trending on social media for
a long time. The first excerpt has come out of
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Kamala Harris's book detailing the one hundred and seven day campaign,
and she referred to the decision to leave the decision
to Joe and Jill Biden about whether or not he
was going to run for reelections. She redescribed that decision
as reckless. So that's coming up.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
But sitting next to me, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I would say perhaps the dean of political reporters in
all of Los Angeles, chief political reporter for NBCLA and
the anchor of the show news conference Ladies and Gentlemen,
Codin nol Conan Nolan is here.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Sorry, how are you?
Speaker 4 (02:09):
I've been being deviled by that name my entire life.
Do you ever stumble over at Keith Morrison? I remember
when he was an ACCREA Channel four, my first day
there in nineteen eighty six. He screwed up my name,
and as he pitched my story and when he came back,
he said that was Conan Nolan and he's already mad
at me.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
That's perfect.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
You are a You're a California boy, born and bred.
That's right, San Lousi. We were talking off the air.
San Luis Obispo is the hometown.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
That's right, San Luis Obispo. Right, how you mustangs?
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Now you? Then you also got a degree. Your degree
in political science came from UC Davis. I had a
sister went to UC Davis. Really, she didn't go to
political science. She was econ accounting. I don't remember.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
It's an ad research. There's a lot of pre meds there.
Pre that's red hots. These are students that that study
on Saturday and Friday nights.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
So I'm honored that you came in and are going
to spend time with us today because there's a lot
going on. I mean, there's so much that that that
goes on in politics, in just in the culture of
southern California that I wanted to to kind of pick
your brain about. But let's start with why this, Why
Why political science? Why political science?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
In media? How did you get the jobs that you've had.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Oh, that's interesting you ask.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
So my father was a political science professor, and so
we grew up watching I lived on a ranch outside
of San Elisabispo, and we we didn't There was no
cable at the time, so you had to go outside
and turn the antenna and you got Huntley Brinkley, you
got the CBS Evening News with Walter Cronkite, and you
got Howard K. Smith and Dean Reynolds and they and
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so every night we watched sort of ninety minutes of news.
And that's sort of when I got the bug, and
I was.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
I grew up a Giants fan.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
I was a Willie Mays fan, and I would listen
to the local radio station, which was a Dodger station,
and root for whoever the Dodgers were playing.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
And I must say one of the great.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
The great journalists of our time was Vince Gully. He
was a broadcaster, but I learned from him because he
because I listened for so many years. He was completely nonpartisan.
He there was a fidelity to the truth, what was
happening on the field.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
He wouldn't color it for you.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
It's up for you to decide who you're rooting for
it was all about people he told stories about, so
you got to you knew the players, I mean, did
a lot of research and it's a and he talked
about the story. It was never about him, and so
so I ended up. I was at Polly for two
years and then I realized, because everybody knew my father,
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I needed to get away. So I went to UC Davis,
which is sort of like Cowpol without the mountains, and
it was flatter, virginal uh and and I was but
my brother. I had an older brother who was a
Democratic Party chair in San Luis Obispo County. I remember
once he called up. I was still a senior in
high school and he said, there's a there's an attorney
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from Monterey coming down. He wants to run from for Congress.
Do you want to have lunch for him? I said sure?
What's his name? Leon Panetta? And so I worked on
his first campaign there was And then then after I
got my degree, I ended up in radio in Sanulis Obispo.
Uh then made my transition to TV. I actually covered
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Panetta when he was a member of Congress from Monterey.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
So I have remember in terms of stories that you've
told over the course of years, and then kind of
reading up on you in the last couple of days,
anticipating that you were going to be coming in that
we have a lot of paths crossed paths. Perhaps one
of my favorites was when you and I were separately
in Cleveland for the Republican National Convention back in twenty sixteen,
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and there was a lot going on in the moment
in that we were afraid.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Afraid's not the right word.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
We were anticipating large scale protests left and right now.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
I remember running into you on the streets of Cleveland and.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
You said, hey, Gary, and Shannon's coden and we shook hands,
and then all of a sudden we kind of had
to part ways because about four blocks down there was
a large protest that was making its way down the street.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
We took shelter in one of the stories nearby.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
But those those are the fun moments that I remember
in seeing you out in the I guess out in
the wild.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
I took a little video of you in Shannon at
Radio Row. I don't know you did shared it with you.
I will at some point. I still think I have it,
But yeah, cland Cleveland was it was weird, yeah, because
it was it was the Trump campaign, and you had
so many California delegates who were Bush people, they were
Romney people, and they had completely flipped. Yeah, they bought
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them narrative that Bush was evil and Romney was out
of touch, and they were completely both feet in for
Donald Trump. It was an interesting convention.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
All right, we're talking with Conan Nolan, chief of political
reporter for NBCLA, and we'll come back and we're going
to spend some more time talking about your career, talking
about some of the things that are going on in
politics today.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Big story.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
We're gonna dive deep into it right at ten o'clock.
But the White House is saying that President Trump is
expected to speak with Poland's Prime Minister Donald Tusk at
some point today, if it hasn't happened already. The Polish
airspace was violated by a huge number of Russian drones.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
According to the Polish Prime.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Minister, NATO Allied fired fighter jets actually took to the
air last night to take those things out.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
This is a massive escalation.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Apparently Poland is asking to invoke Article four, which would
cite a threat to national security and basically put all
of NATO on high alert against Russia. So this is
a tense time, more tense even than it was twenty
four hours ago there in Russia. We are joined thankfully
by Conan Nolan, the chief political reporter for NBCLA you guys,
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in fact, you guys used to work right across the street.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Yeah, I missed that building. Yeah, that was a lot
of fun.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
So in terms of politics it's going on today in California,
southern California. I think one of the more fascinating journeys
over the year twenty twenty five has been Karen Bass,
mayor of La. Immediately right off the bat, at the
beginning of the year, we have the Palisades fire and
the Eating fire, and she gets raked over the coals
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for being out of the country at a time when we,
I say we in the media, we were all screaming
about this is an extreme weather event, something is going
on of very bad conditions and we have the potential
for a disaster. She ends up firing the La fire chief.
She is blamed for a lot of the at least
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miscommunication and potentially inappropriate preparation for.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
What happened in the Palisades.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
In June, President Trump decides to throw some National Guard
troops into La and she starts to regain some of
the political foothold that she had lost the months before.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Am I wrong in.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Any d No, exactly, And he's done that to other
other Democratic mayors have also seen a resurgence and popularity
because of ice raids in their cities, And.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
That's that's true.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Part of the problem Karen Bass had, it would seem
to me, is that not only was she out of
the country at the time of the fires, but she
was she was It was clear she was pining for
her old job. That's the that's the image, because she
was doing it on behalf of Joe Biden. She had
spent a lot of time in international relations as a
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member of Congress, she had spent a good amount of
time in Ghana and other parts of Africa, and she
loved that part of the job. In fact, she had
been quoted about how that was that was something she
would miss and it was something she didn't want to leave.
So I think a lot of people thought that it
was it was emblematic of someone who ran for mayor
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because she had no other options but really didn't want
the job. I'm not saying that's necessarily true, but that
was part of why she she got hammered so much.
Was A she wasn't there, but B she was gone
for the wrong reasons.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
You've spoken to Rick Crusoe, Yes, do you think in
terms of the calculus he has said he's gonna he
could run for something. He doesn't know if he wants
to run for governor or mayor. What do you think
goes into his mind in terms of the calculus to
figure out which position he goes?
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Well, first of all, he's always wanted to run for
public office.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
If you go to the Americana and go to the lobby,
there is.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
A uh there's a great big poster there too on
the side, and one has uh the emblem of USC
emblem of Pepperdine.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
It shows the grove and the Americana. Then it shows
Sacramento in the distance in Washington, d C. In the distance.
And I've always thought that that's Rick. Rick's mindset. He's
always wanted to be in politics, which is why he
ended up on the DWB. Uh Uh, the Department of
Water and Power Board of Directors at a very early age,
right out of college or right out of law school.
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And I personally think he's going on for governor. And
here's why. Uh, he got the endorsement of Willie Brown,
as you you pointed out on your show, which was
kind of a surprise. I mean, Willy Brown says, you guys,
are you and the media are under under reporting the
impact this man could have because they want something different.
They want somebody who has administrative authority and there, and
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they're they're, they're they're interested in a guy like Rick Crusoe.
And I think when Kamala Harris took herself out of
the race, I believe Crusoe's looking at that carefully. I
don't know if he wants to have another crack at
being mayor of LA. It's a tough nut to crack.
Republicans just aren't elected. How many Republicans are on the
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city council. So, but in the state of California, you'd
have a better shot. So I think he's gonna run
for governor.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Is he a Republican just with a D behind his name?
I mean, it's well, here's the deal.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Yes, he's a Democrat, but he looks like a Republican,
he talks like a Republican, he dresses like a Republican.
He's a billionaire, he smells like he has been a Republican.
So the Democrats will they will couch him as a
this is all. They'll try to make him a Trump Republican.
But the fact is is that I think right now,
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my guess is he's doing polling, private polling to see
what his name recognition is outside the media market of
Los Angeles, and we'll make his decision based on that.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
And I've thought state.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
I don't know if you've seen interviews with him recently
or he walked He did a walking tour of the
Palisades with Adam Corola recently and talked about his property
there in the Palisades, the business properties, not the private homes,
but the business properties that are still standing and suffered
minor amounts of damage because of his preparation for that
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same fire that Karen Bass is being blamed for in
many cases. And to me, that's just a very powerful message,
whether or not it accurately translates to the preparation that
he took or what would happen in the future, as
with him in the governor's mansion. But that to me
would be an incredible poster for a run for governor.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
It would seem to me as well. I think he
sees that certainly as an issue if he were to
run for mayor or for governor. The fact though, is
that I think he's banking on several things. Again, Willie
Brown had mentioned people want somebody He knew they want
somebody different, and that the notion of just having another
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politician as Sacramento who hasn't been much of a manager.
I mean, you know, a US senator or a state legislator,
they're not managing anything. A guy like Rick Ruso manages
a lot. And and and that's I think that's going
to be his calling card. Plus, you know, he can
sell fund He's got a lot of money, he can
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put it behind him, and and and I think he
sees himself as sort of like the next Arnold Schwarzenegger
in the respect that he can be a centrist, center
left or center right Democrat and that you know, the opportunities.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Now, I know it's not sexy, but I want to
talk about the whole jerry mandering Prop fifty redistricting issue.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
We come back.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Top story today is going to be the NATOS as
it scrambled fighter jets to shoot down drones that had
invaded Polish air space way to the west side of Ukraine.
Belaros had said that it may have been a navigational error,
but NATO experts have been saying, you don't have a
navigational error with the twenty drones.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
We'll talk about that a little bit later.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
We've been joined by Conan Nolan from NBC four and
we're talking also about race for governor and mayor bass
et cetera. The biggest issue coming in November is going
to be this Prop fifty, This plan to pull redistricting
away from the Independent Commission for a while, give it
to the state, back to the state legislators, and allow
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them to redraw districts. This is a response to what
happened in Texas. They're going to try to milk I
hate the term, but they're going to try to milk
five Republican seats out of Texas to supposedly guarantee more
house control in the midternal exens et cetera. Is this
going to be as giant an issue in November as
it had has been the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
I think so.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
I think so this will be I think part of
the calculation is that the governor knows that there's a
large segment of the voting population that feels that wants
to do something, and this gives them an opportunity to
do it. And that's going to be the messaging I
think in the fall is if you want to voice
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your opposition to the immigration raids, to the tariffs, to
the screwing up of the economy, assuming that's what happens,
and it's starting to look that way, here's your opportunity
to do something, and they're going to catch it as
a Trump vote. You're with them or against them.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
But on the other side, Republicans. You mentioned this off
the air, but Republicans see this as a potential for
sort of a two headed win here. If they can
defeat this proposition, not only do they protect the seats
that do exist. I mean, out of fifty two congressional
seats in California, I think nine of them are Republican,
right now held by Republicans, would be able to protect
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those but they also send Gavin Newsome a very high
profile defeat.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Right and that's why they're expecting to raise one hundred million.
They believe that they can match Gavin's fundraising campaign dollar
for dollar, And you're right, I think they see this
as a way to The research seems to imply that
of other states also Jerrymander the way. We're thinking, like Indiana,
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that if California doesn't pass this, the Republicans could gain
fifteen seats. If they do pass it, then there will
be fewer Democratic seats, but it'll be like four or five.
So yeah, I think, you know, the sales departments of
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this station and my station did backflips when they found
this is going to the ballot and the amount of money.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
That's going to be spent.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
But I think as we get closer to November, it's
going to be viewed. This is going to be viewed
as a referendum on the White House. And yeah, it's
a blue state, but you have you have people like
Arnold Schwarzenegger who are campaigning against it vehemently, and and
you'll so you'll have a two front war. You'll have
the Reefs, the Republicans and their fundraising Leo Uh, Leo McCarthy,
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Kevin McCarthy leading the way, and then you'll have Arnold
with his group. They're not they're not going to share
I think, uh strategy, but they're they're going to spend
some money and and I but I think there's going
to be a lot of attention to it.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
A side note, you just made me think of if
Gavenwsom would if this proposition goes down to defeat, it's
considered a loss for Gaven Newsom. Uh, he's obviously term
limited out of the governor's office. What does a guy
like that do? What a past governors in California? And
did they just move off into a farm somewhere and
just relax.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Well, here's what one person told me said, listen, Uh,
we we have not ruled out that Alex Padilla could
run for governor, and Alex Padilla has not said no,
they'd asked him, so he toying with the idea. Clearly
he gets elected governor, any appoints Gavin to take his
job with a pledge that Gavin would only serve out
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the remaining two years. So is that possible? Who knows?
It's quite unlikely, But I think you know, it was
Jerry Brown who said it's impossible to run for president
when you're a governor on a West and a Pacific
time zone. He says, everything operates in the Eastern time zone.
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It's just impossible. So Reagan, Nixon, they all ended up
as private individuals when they ran and the and so
I think that's that will happen. I think Newsom has
found a strategy. Remember Ronald Reagan did the general electric
commentaries on radio. I remember my first radio station we
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had n Ronald Reagan gave, you know, the five minute
talk once every week. And this is before he this
is before he ran for president in nineteen eighty. And
I think Newsom has found the podcast and believes that
in social media he can in the medias escape that
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we're in now, he can remain relevant and opine on
all things and maintain his position in the forefront of
the Democratic Party. And of course, if there was another
Democratic administration, he could he could get a cabinet position.
But he obviously wants to be president, there's no question.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
And he's young enough. I mean, there's got plenty of time.
Even if he doesn't get it right. In twenty eight
he can thirty two and thirty six are wide open
for you. Exactly all right, we'll come back and we're
going to talk a little bit lighter less politics when
we come back.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Conan Nolan from NBC four has joined us.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Top of the hour.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
We're going to get into some of the details that
we're finding out about the Russian drones that entered Poland overnight,
causing Polish and Danish fighter jets to scramble and shoot
them down. According to the Ukrainian Air Force, as many
as four hundred drones were launched in last night's attack.
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About twenty of them went so far west that they
crossed into Polish territory. We haven't heard yet if all
of them were shot down, if most of them were
shot down. Still doing some of the damage assessments. It
doesn't look like anybody was injured, but again, still getting
some information. Chief political reporter for NBCLA Conan Nolan is here,
and forget about the politics stuff. One of the things
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that I know that you covered was an event that
was big in my life back in nineteen eighty nine.
The earthquake in the Loma Prieta earthquake up in northern California.
Everybody remembers it as the quake that either took down
the Bay Bridge kind of collapsed the eight eighty Freeway,
which it did, but most importantly it interrupted the World Series.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Now you were there, but do you were on vacation.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
So I'm a closet Giants fan in southern California and
grew up ol a Maze fan and thought I recognized you,
and uh so we went to the Uh we went
to the series. Giants had not won a World Series
since moving to San Francisco from from New York, and
we we had seats. It was my wife, myself, a
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two friends who live in San Francisco, and I was
getting a hot dog up of the mezzanine when the
earthquake hit. And my wife tells this great story about
how this is, this is, this is the reason I
married her.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
She's she's she's on the.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Bottom deck and she says, the light standards are whipping
back and forth like star like spaghetti strands. And she
says to herself, well, it looks like we're gonna die.
But at least I met the World Series and so,
uh so yeah, that was, uh, that was I'll never
forget as well. When and there's a you're on a
plane and there's a severe turbulence and you finally land,
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everybody starts applauding and cheering. That's what happened in Candlestick
once the uh, once the shaking settled and they realized
everybody was still alive. Although chunks of the ballpark had
come down. I remember in the parking lot people breaking it,
you know, slamming down so that everybody could have a
souvenir of Candlestick as they as they left the game.
That was, and it was a Marina district, that's uh,
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that was. That was the place that got really hammered.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yeah, and you're listen, in this business, there's a you
kind of understand that you you're always going to be
on call. You know, if you're on vacation enjoying something
like the World Series, you're always going to be the
man on or the woman on the scene in the
event that something happened.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Well, especially for NBC then because they they it was
an ABC broadcast, so NBC had a couple of affiliates
there that was it. Crawn I think the NBC station
at the time went down. They were trying to get
uh power.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Tom Brokaw had to be hustled back to the anchor
desk in New York, and they didn't have anybody to
go to other than me. I went down to a
satellite truck a pack set, and I said, you know,
and I knew the engineer. I says, you know, we'll
we'll buy the time. And so it was myself one
other person, I think for the entire network. ABC of
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course had everybody there, and it was and that started
for me. That started two weeks of reporting out of
the Bay and making my way down the peninsula closer
to the Santa Cruz.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
It was in the Santa Cruz Mountains was the epicenter.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
And then we've had a series of earthquakes here. I
mean that that obviously have been the ninety four Northridge quake.
Were you here for that?
Speaker 4 (24:42):
I was here for that as well. In fact, the
friend I was with at Candlestick was visiting.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
So I've been.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Told you got to stay away from that friend.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
I say, whenever you travel together, let us know. But yeah, no,
I remember, and I said, in that case, my assignment
was Caltech, So I spent the next three weeks there.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yeah, and then in the OJ chase, also one of
the major stories of the of the nineties.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
Yeah, that was a depressing story.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Actually, if you think about that, that that was I
remember the day he was supposed to turn himself in.
They sent me to I think Hollywood Division see if
he would be turned in there. That wasn't happening, So
we went down to Parker Center and when David Gasco
I'm the deputy chief, said, you know, he is.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
A fugitive from Justice.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
I remember Mark Coogan of ABC saying the juice is
on the loose, you know, his impression of Howard Cosell.
And then we found out that he was an Orange
County so a photographer and I ended up driving in
that direction. We tuned into the police radio and realized
he was coming towards towards us. So we got off
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the freeway, got back on, pulled to the side and
waited and then I'll never forget looking in the rearview mirror,
I decided to drive so the photographer could take picture
and seeing in the rearview mirror. This failings of police
cars and the white Ford Bronco. Then we pulled in
front of him, which was but that was that whole
thing was really awful.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
There was no there was I remember I was with
a group of friends. We were supposed to be watching
the basketball game that night, and obviously that coverage was
what was interrupted, interrupted because of this chase. So I
remember distinctly all these events that were talking about, and
I mean, it's just it's to know somebody who was
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intimately involved with each of those is pretty amazing.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
They put it on the scoreboard.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Yeah, at one point they took a break from the
game and the players were watching the pursuit.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
How could you not.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I mean, that's the thing is that was the beginning
of I don't know if it was the beginning, but
that was what my memory was. Sort of one of
the first viral kinds of things that was going on,
because we had the technology at the time to broadcast
that around the world, and that it was a celebrity
involved story that garnered that much attention.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
I mean O. J.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Simpson up to that point had been all over the place.
He'd been on TV, he'd been in movies, he'd been
in commercials for years.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
Yeah, No, he was cross pollinated culture, sports, celebrity race,
all those things came together in that one trial.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Well, listen, I am absolutely ecstatic that you were able
to stop by today before you actually go to your
day job. And anytime you want to come buy for
a cup of coffee, we'd love to have you.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Gary, Listen, I have to tell you, I'm a huge
fan of this show. I was mentioning to you earlier.
This is the harm Your show with Shannon is a
harmonic convergence of information with entertainment. You really hit the
sweet spot on a regular basis, and it's a delight
to be here.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Well, I'm going to take what you just said, Elmer.
We're going to mark that and pull that. We're gonna
use it for every promo from this point on. Again,
thank you for Stop and Buy. You can catch Conan
of course on NBC four just about every damn day
pretty much.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Yeah, all right, And when we.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Come back, all about what happened overnight Russian drones into
Polish air territory, What that means for the United States,
What is Article four, what is Article five? What the
White House is going to do about this? That's all
coming up on Gary and Shannon you've been listening to
the Gary and Shannon Show. You can always hear us
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
We've been telling you all week Shannon's going to be out,
but she'll be back next week. She's taking care of
mom as mom goes through some surgery. So our thoughts
prayers are with Shannon and her mom, Diane, especially today,
so hopefully we'll get to check in with her before
the end of the week and see how things are going.
Two major things that are going on in the world today.
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Number one is World War three may just have had
its prologue, if you will. More than a dozen Russian
drones entered Poland overnight and that prompted NATO to scramble
fighter jets, some F sixteen, some F thirty five to
shoot them down.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
This is arguably.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
The worst escalation perhaps that we have seen in terms
of the war between Russia and Ukraine, and it is
the first time in the history of name should not
be understated, it is the first time in the history
of NATO that Alliance fighters have engaged enemy targets in
(01:09):
Allied airspace. It's not just a onesie or a twosie.
There were at least nineteen or twenty drones that made
their way into Polish airspace. We'll talk about it a
little bit later in the show. We'll get some more
details as we go. The other thing is the word
reckless is going to be trending on social media for
a long time. The first excerpt has come out of
(01:31):
Kamala Harris's book detailing the one hundred and seven day campaign,
and she referred to the decision to leave the decision
to Joe and Jill Biden about whether or not he
was going to run for reelections. She redescribed that decision
as reckless. So that's coming up.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
But sitting next to me, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I would say perhaps the dean of political reporters in
all of Los Angeles, chief political reporter for NBCLA and
the anchor of the show news conference Ladies and Gentlemen,
Codin nol Conan Nolan is here.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Sorry, how are you?
Speaker 4 (02:09):
I've been being deviled by that name my entire life.
Do you ever stumble over at Keith Morrison? I remember
when he was an ACCREA Channel four, my first day
there in nineteen eighty six. He screwed up my name,
and as he pitched my story and when he came back,
he said that was Conan Nolan and he's already mad
at me.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
That's perfect.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
You are a You're a California boy, born and bred.
That's right, San Lousi. We were talking off the air.
San Luis Obispo is the hometown.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
That's right, San Luis Obispo. Right, how you mustangs?
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Now you? Then you also got a degree. Your degree
in political science came from UC Davis. I had a
sister went to UC Davis. Really, she didn't go to
political science. She was econ accounting. I don't remember.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
It's an ad research. There's a lot of pre meds there.
Pre that's red hots. These are students that that study
on Saturday and Friday nights.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
So I'm honored that you came in and are going
to spend time with us today because there's a lot
going on. I mean, there's so much that that that
goes on in politics, in just in the culture of
southern California that I wanted to to kind of pick
your brain about. But let's start with why this, Why
Why political science? Why political science?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
In media? How did you get the jobs that you've had.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Oh, that's interesting you ask.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
So my father was a political science professor, and so
we grew up watching I lived on a ranch outside
of San Elisabispo, and we we didn't There was no
cable at the time, so you had to go outside
and turn the antenna and you got Huntley Brinkley, you
got the CBS Evening News with Walter Cronkite, and you
got Howard K. Smith and Dean Reynolds and they and
(03:53):
so every night we watched sort of ninety minutes of news.
And that's sort of when I got the bug, and
I was.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
I grew up a Giants fan.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
I was a Willie Mays fan, and I would listen
to the local radio station, which was a Dodger station,
and root for whoever the Dodgers were playing.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
And I must say one of the great.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
The great journalists of our time was Vince Gully. He
was a broadcaster, but I learned from him because he
because I listened for so many years. He was completely nonpartisan.
He there was a fidelity to the truth, what was
happening on the field.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
He wouldn't color it for you.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
It's up for you to decide who you're rooting for
it was all about people he told stories about, so
you got to you knew the players, I mean, did
a lot of research and it's a and he talked
about the story. It was never about him, and so
so I ended up. I was at Polly for two
years and then I realized, because everybody knew my father,
(04:56):
I needed to get away. So I went to UC Davis,
which is sort of like Cowpol without the mountains, and
it was flatter, virginal uh and and I was but
my brother. I had an older brother who was a
Democratic Party chair in San Luis Obispo County. I remember
once he called up. I was still a senior in
high school and he said, there's a there's an attorney
(05:17):
from Monterey coming down. He wants to run from for Congress.
Do you want to have lunch for him? I said sure?
What's his name? Leon Panetta? And so I worked on
his first campaign there was And then then after I
got my degree, I ended up in radio in Sanulis Obispo.
Uh then made my transition to TV. I actually covered
(05:38):
Panetta when he was a member of Congress from Monterey.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
So I have remember in terms of stories that you've
told over the course of years, and then kind of
reading up on you in the last couple of days,
anticipating that you were going to be coming in that
we have a lot of paths crossed paths. Perhaps one
of my favorites was when you and I were separately
in Cleveland for the Republican National Convention back in twenty sixteen,
(06:05):
and there was a lot going on in the moment
in that we were afraid.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Afraid's not the right word.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
We were anticipating large scale protests left and right now.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
I remember running into you on the streets of Cleveland and.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
You said, hey, Gary, and Shannon's coden and we shook hands,
and then all of a sudden we kind of had
to part ways because about four blocks down there was
a large protest that was making its way down the street.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
We took shelter in one of the stories nearby.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
But those those are the fun moments that I remember
in seeing you out in the I guess out in
the wild.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
I took a little video of you in Shannon at
Radio Row. I don't know you did shared it with you.
I will at some point. I still think I have it,
But yeah, cland Cleveland was it was weird, yeah, because
it was it was the Trump campaign, and you had
so many California delegates who were Bush people, they were
Romney people, and they had completely flipped. Yeah, they bought
(06:59):
them narrative that Bush was evil and Romney was out
of touch, and they were completely both feet in for
Donald Trump. It was an interesting convention.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
All right, we're talking with Conan Nolan, chief of political
reporter for NBCLA, and we'll come back and we're going
to spend some more time talking about your career, talking
about some of the things that are going on in
politics today.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Big story.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
We're gonna dive deep into it right at ten o'clock.
But the White House is saying that President Trump is
expected to speak with Poland's Prime Minister Donald Tusk at
some point today, if it hasn't happened already. The Polish
airspace was violated by a huge number of Russian drones.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
According to the Polish Prime.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Minister, NATO Allied fired fighter jets actually took to the
air last night to take those things out.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
This is a massive escalation.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Apparently Poland is asking to invoke Article four, which would
cite a threat to national security and basically put all
of NATO on high alert against Russia. So this is
a tense time, more tense even than it was twenty
four hours ago there in Russia. We are joined thankfully
by Conan Nolan, the chief political reporter for NBCLA you guys,
(08:21):
in fact, you guys used to work right across the street.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Yeah, I missed that building. Yeah, that was a lot
of fun.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
So in terms of politics it's going on today in California,
southern California. I think one of the more fascinating journeys
over the year twenty twenty five has been Karen Bass,
mayor of La. Immediately right off the bat, at the
beginning of the year, we have the Palisades fire and
the Eating fire, and she gets raked over the coals
(08:49):
for being out of the country at a time when we,
I say we in the media, we were all screaming
about this is an extreme weather event, something is going
on of very bad conditions and we have the potential
for a disaster. She ends up firing the La fire chief.
She is blamed for a lot of the at least
(09:12):
miscommunication and potentially inappropriate preparation for.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
What happened in the Palisades.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
In June, President Trump decides to throw some National Guard
troops into La and she starts to regain some of
the political foothold that she had lost the months before.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Am I wrong in.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Any d No, exactly, And he's done that to other
other Democratic mayors have also seen a resurgence and popularity
because of ice raids in their cities, And.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
That's that's true.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Part of the problem Karen Bass had, it would seem
to me, is that not only was she out of
the country at the time of the fires, but she
was she was It was clear she was pining for
her old job. That's the that's the image, because she
was doing it on behalf of Joe Biden. She had
spent a lot of time in international relations as a
(10:03):
member of Congress, she had spent a good amount of
time in Ghana and other parts of Africa, and she
loved that part of the job. In fact, she had
been quoted about how that was that was something she
would miss and it was something she didn't want to leave.
So I think a lot of people thought that it
was it was emblematic of someone who ran for mayor
(10:24):
because she had no other options but really didn't want
the job. I'm not saying that's necessarily true, but that
was part of why she she got hammered so much.
Was A she wasn't there, but B she was gone
for the wrong reasons.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
You've spoken to Rick Crusoe, Yes, do you think in
terms of the calculus he has said he's gonna he
could run for something. He doesn't know if he wants
to run for governor or mayor. What do you think
goes into his mind in terms of the calculus to
figure out which position he goes?
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Well, first of all, he's always wanted to run for
public office.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
If you go to the Americana and go to the lobby,
there is.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
A uh there's a great big poster there too on
the side, and one has uh the emblem of USC
emblem of Pepperdine.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
It shows the grove and the Americana. Then it shows
Sacramento in the distance in Washington, d C. In the distance.
And I've always thought that that's Rick. Rick's mindset. He's
always wanted to be in politics, which is why he
ended up on the DWB. Uh Uh, the Department of
Water and Power Board of Directors at a very early age,
right out of college or right out of law school.
(11:33):
And I personally think he's going on for governor. And
here's why. Uh, he got the endorsement of Willie Brown,
as you you pointed out on your show, which was
kind of a surprise. I mean, Willy Brown says, you guys,
are you and the media are under under reporting the
impact this man could have because they want something different.
They want somebody who has administrative authority and there, and
(11:54):
they're they're, they're they're interested in a guy like Rick Crusoe.
And I think when Kamala Harris took herself out of
the race, I believe Crusoe's looking at that carefully. I
don't know if he wants to have another crack at
being mayor of LA. It's a tough nut to crack.
Republicans just aren't elected. How many Republicans are on the
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city council. So, but in the state of California, you'd
have a better shot. So I think he's gonna run
for governor.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Is he a Republican just with a D behind his name?
I mean, it's well, here's the deal.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Yes, he's a Democrat, but he looks like a Republican,
he talks like a Republican, he dresses like a Republican.
He's a billionaire, he smells like he has been a Republican.
So the Democrats will they will couch him as a
this is all. They'll try to make him a Trump Republican.
But the fact is is that I think right now,
(12:48):
my guess is he's doing polling, private polling to see
what his name recognition is outside the media market of
Los Angeles, and we'll make his decision based on that.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
And I've thought state.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
I don't know if you've seen interviews with him recently
or he walked He did a walking tour of the
Palisades with Adam Corola recently and talked about his property
there in the Palisades, the business properties, not the private homes,
but the business properties that are still standing and suffered
minor amounts of damage because of his preparation for that
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same fire that Karen Bass is being blamed for in
many cases. And to me, that's just a very powerful message,
whether or not it accurately translates to the preparation that
he took or what would happen in the future, as
with him in the governor's mansion. But that to me
would be an incredible poster for a run for governor.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
It would seem to me as well. I think he
sees that certainly as an issue if he were to
run for mayor or for governor. The fact though, is
that I think he's banking on several things. Again, Willie
Brown had mentioned people want somebody He knew they want
somebody different, and that the notion of just having another
(14:07):
politician as Sacramento who hasn't been much of a manager.
I mean, you know, a US senator or a state legislator,
they're not managing anything. A guy like Rick Ruso manages
a lot. And and and that's I think that's going
to be his calling card. Plus, you know, he can
sell fund He's got a lot of money, he can
(14:28):
put it behind him, and and and I think he
sees himself as sort of like the next Arnold Schwarzenegger
in the respect that he can be a centrist, center
left or center right Democrat and that you know, the opportunities.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Now, I know it's not sexy, but I want to
talk about the whole jerry mandering Prop fifty redistricting issue.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
We come back.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Top story today is going to be the NATOS as
it scrambled fighter jets to shoot down drones that had
invaded Polish air space way to the west side of Ukraine.
Belaros had said that it may have been a navigational error,
but NATO experts have been saying, you don't have a
navigational error with the twenty drones.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
We'll talk about that a little bit later.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
We've been joined by Conan Nolan from NBC four and
we're talking also about race for governor and mayor bass
et cetera. The biggest issue coming in November is going
to be this Prop fifty, This plan to pull redistricting
away from the Independent Commission for a while, give it
to the state, back to the state legislators, and allow
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them to redraw districts. This is a response to what
happened in Texas. They're going to try to milk I
hate the term, but they're going to try to milk
five Republican seats out of Texas to supposedly guarantee more
house control in the midternal exens et cetera. Is this
going to be as giant an issue in November as
it had has been the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
I think so.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
I think so this will be I think part of
the calculation is that the governor knows that there's a
large segment of the voting population that feels that wants
to do something, and this gives them an opportunity to
do it. And that's going to be the messaging I
think in the fall is if you want to voice
(16:22):
your opposition to the immigration raids, to the tariffs, to
the screwing up of the economy, assuming that's what happens,
and it's starting to look that way, here's your opportunity
to do something, and they're going to catch it as
a Trump vote. You're with them or against them.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
But on the other side, Republicans. You mentioned this off
the air, but Republicans see this as a potential for
sort of a two headed win here. If they can
defeat this proposition, not only do they protect the seats
that do exist. I mean, out of fifty two congressional
seats in California, I think nine of them are Republican,
right now held by Republicans, would be able to protect
(17:00):
those but they also send Gavin Newsome a very high
profile defeat.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Right and that's why they're expecting to raise one hundred million.
They believe that they can match Gavin's fundraising campaign dollar
for dollar, And you're right, I think they see this
as a way to The research seems to imply that
of other states also Jerrymander the way. We're thinking, like Indiana,
(17:29):
that if California doesn't pass this, the Republicans could gain
fifteen seats. If they do pass it, then there will
be fewer Democratic seats, but it'll be like four or five.
So yeah, I think, you know, the sales departments of
(17:49):
this station and my station did backflips when they found
this is going to the ballot and the amount of money.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
That's going to be spent.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
But I think as we get closer to November, it's
going to be viewed. This is going to be viewed
as a referendum on the White House. And yeah, it's
a blue state, but you have you have people like
Arnold Schwarzenegger who are campaigning against it vehemently, and and
you'll so you'll have a two front war. You'll have
the Reefs, the Republicans and their fundraising Leo Uh, Leo McCarthy,
(18:18):
Kevin McCarthy leading the way, and then you'll have Arnold
with his group. They're not they're not going to share
I think, uh strategy, but they're they're going to spend
some money and and I but I think there's going
to be a lot of attention to it.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
A side note, you just made me think of if
Gavenwsom would if this proposition goes down to defeat, it's
considered a loss for Gaven Newsom. Uh, he's obviously term
limited out of the governor's office. What does a guy
like that do? What a past governors in California? And
did they just move off into a farm somewhere and
just relax.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Well, here's what one person told me said, listen, Uh,
we we have not ruled out that Alex Padilla could
run for governor, and Alex Padilla has not said no,
they'd asked him, so he toying with the idea. Clearly
he gets elected governor, any appoints Gavin to take his
job with a pledge that Gavin would only serve out
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the remaining two years. So is that possible? Who knows?
It's quite unlikely, But I think you know, it was
Jerry Brown who said it's impossible to run for president
when you're a governor on a West and a Pacific
time zone. He says, everything operates in the Eastern time zone.
(19:29):
It's just impossible. So Reagan, Nixon, they all ended up
as private individuals when they ran and the and so
I think that's that will happen. I think Newsom has
found a strategy. Remember Ronald Reagan did the general electric
commentaries on radio. I remember my first radio station we
(19:53):
had n Ronald Reagan gave, you know, the five minute
talk once every week. And this is before he this
is before he ran for president in nineteen eighty. And
I think Newsom has found the podcast and believes that
in social media he can in the medias escape that
(20:13):
we're in now, he can remain relevant and opine on
all things and maintain his position in the forefront of
the Democratic Party. And of course, if there was another
Democratic administration, he could he could get a cabinet position.
But he obviously wants to be president, there's no question.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
And he's young enough. I mean, there's got plenty of time.
Even if he doesn't get it right. In twenty eight
he can thirty two and thirty six are wide open
for you. Exactly all right, we'll come back and we're
going to talk a little bit lighter less politics when
we come back.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Conan Nolan from NBC four has joined us.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Top of the hour.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
We're going to get into some of the details that
we're finding out about the Russian drones that entered Poland overnight,
causing Polish and Danish fighter jets to scramble and shoot
them down. According to the Ukrainian Air Force, as many
as four hundred drones were launched in last night's attack.
(21:15):
About twenty of them went so far west that they
crossed into Polish territory. We haven't heard yet if all
of them were shot down, if most of them were
shot down. Still doing some of the damage assessments. It
doesn't look like anybody was injured, but again, still getting
some information. Chief political reporter for NBCLA Conan Nolan is here,
and forget about the politics stuff. One of the things
(21:38):
that I know that you covered was an event that
was big in my life back in nineteen eighty nine.
The earthquake in the Loma Prieta earthquake up in northern California.
Everybody remembers it as the quake that either took down
the Bay Bridge kind of collapsed the eight eighty Freeway,
which it did, but most importantly it interrupted the World Series.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Now you were there, but do you were on vacation.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
So I'm a closet Giants fan in southern California and
grew up ol a Maze fan and thought I recognized you,
and uh so we went to the Uh we went
to the series. Giants had not won a World Series
since moving to San Francisco from from New York, and
we we had seats. It was my wife, myself, a
(22:25):
two friends who live in San Francisco, and I was
getting a hot dog up of the mezzanine when the
earthquake hit. And my wife tells this great story about
how this is, this is, this is the reason I
married her.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
She's she's she's on the.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Bottom deck and she says, the light standards are whipping
back and forth like star like spaghetti strands. And she
says to herself, well, it looks like we're gonna die.
But at least I met the World Series and so,
uh so yeah, that was, uh, that was I'll never
forget as well. When and there's a you're on a
plane and there's a severe turbulence and you finally land,
(23:04):
everybody starts applauding and cheering. That's what happened in Candlestick
once the uh, once the shaking settled and they realized
everybody was still alive. Although chunks of the ballpark had
come down. I remember in the parking lot people breaking it,
you know, slamming down so that everybody could have a
souvenir of Candlestick as they as they left the game.
That was, and it was a Marina district, that's uh,
(23:25):
that was. That was the place that got really hammered.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yeah, and you're listen, in this business, there's a you
kind of understand that you you're always going to be
on call. You know, if you're on vacation enjoying something
like the World Series, you're always going to be the
man on or the woman on the scene in the
event that something happened.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Well, especially for NBC then because they they it was
an ABC broadcast, so NBC had a couple of affiliates
there that was it. Crawn I think the NBC station
at the time went down. They were trying to get
uh power.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Tom Brokaw had to be hustled back to the anchor
desk in New York, and they didn't have anybody to
go to other than me. I went down to a
satellite truck a pack set, and I said, you know,
and I knew the engineer. I says, you know, we'll
we'll buy the time. And so it was myself one
other person, I think for the entire network. ABC of
(24:19):
course had everybody there, and it was and that started
for me. That started two weeks of reporting out of
the Bay and making my way down the peninsula closer
to the Santa Cruz.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
It was in the Santa Cruz Mountains was the epicenter.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
And then we've had a series of earthquakes here. I
mean that that obviously have been the ninety four Northridge quake.
Were you here for that?
Speaker 4 (24:42):
I was here for that as well. In fact, the
friend I was with at Candlestick was visiting.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
So I've been.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Told you got to stay away from that friend.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
I say, whenever you travel together, let us know. But yeah, no,
I remember, and I said, in that case, my assignment
was Caltech, So I spent the next three weeks there.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yeah, and then in the OJ chase, also one of
the major stories of the of the nineties.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
Yeah, that was a depressing story.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Actually, if you think about that, that that was I
remember the day he was supposed to turn himself in.
They sent me to I think Hollywood Division see if
he would be turned in there. That wasn't happening, So
we went down to Parker Center and when David Gasco
I'm the deputy chief, said, you know, he is.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
A fugitive from Justice.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
I remember Mark Coogan of ABC saying the juice is
on the loose, you know, his impression of Howard Cosell.
And then we found out that he was an Orange
County so a photographer and I ended up driving in
that direction. We tuned into the police radio and realized
he was coming towards towards us. So we got off
(25:52):
the freeway, got back on, pulled to the side and
waited and then I'll never forget looking in the rearview mirror,
I decided to drive so the photographer could take picture
and seeing in the rearview mirror. This failings of police
cars and the white Ford Bronco. Then we pulled in
front of him, which was but that was that whole
thing was really awful.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
There was no there was I remember I was with
a group of friends. We were supposed to be watching
the basketball game that night, and obviously that coverage was
what was interrupted, interrupted because of this chase. So I
remember distinctly all these events that were talking about, and
I mean, it's just it's to know somebody who was
(26:32):
intimately involved with each of those is pretty amazing.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
They put it on the scoreboard.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Yeah, at one point they took a break from the
game and the players were watching the pursuit.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
How could you not.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I mean, that's the thing is that was the beginning
of I don't know if it was the beginning, but
that was what my memory was. Sort of one of
the first viral kinds of things that was going on,
because we had the technology at the time to broadcast
that around the world, and that it was a celebrity
involved story that garnered that much attention.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
I mean O. J.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Simpson up to that point had been all over the place.
He'd been on TV, he'd been in movies, he'd been
in commercials for years.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
Yeah, No, he was cross pollinated culture, sports, celebrity race,
all those things came together in that one trial.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Well, listen, I am absolutely ecstatic that you were able
to stop by today before you actually go to your
day job. And anytime you want to come buy for
a cup of coffee, we'd love to have you.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Gary, Listen, I have to tell you, I'm a huge
fan of this show. I was mentioning to you earlier.
This is the harm Your show with Shannon is a
harmonic convergence of information with entertainment. You really hit the
sweet spot on a regular basis, and it's a delight
to be here.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Well, I'm going to take what you just said, Elmer.
We're going to mark that and pull that. We're gonna
use it for every promo from this point on. Again,
thank you for Stop and Buy. You can catch Conan
of course on NBC four just about every damn day
pretty much.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Yeah, all right, And when we.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Come back, all about what happened overnight Russian drones into
Polish air territory, What that means for the United States,
What is Article four, what is Article five? What the
White House is going to do about this? That's all
coming up on Gary and Shannon you've been listening to
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