September 9, 2025 • 32 mins
#SWAMPWATCH – Epstein Birthday Book. Why Former NFL All-Pros Are Turning to Psychedelics. Meta suppressed research on child safety, employees say.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Last night's Monday Night football game, of course, was won
by the Vikings, led by their new quarterback JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
They beat the Bears last night twenty seven to twenty four.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Baseball wise, Angels lost to the Twins twelve to three.
They'll play again today, and the Dodgers did beat the
Rockies three to one. They actually came within a couple
of outs of a no hitter, but the Dodgers will
host the Rockies again later on tonight. Mentioned a former
Hurricane Kiko, now a tropical storm continues to pass above
the Hawaiian Island, still churning up some riptides and surf
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conditions that are.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Less than safe.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Storm is expected to continue to weaken though, as it
passes north of the island chain today and tomorrow. Mayor
Bass just a short time ago, actually was watching on
one of the TVs here in the studio did officially
dorse former Mayor Antonio Villa Ragosa as he runs for governor.
We've already got some comments that that's probably the worst
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endorsement that he could have gotten considering her her status right.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Now in terms of the mayor of La so And
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Stephanie Lei Decker has joined us as to sit in
today for the rest of the show, host of the
True Crime Tonight, among other things. And I don't know
if you follow you're from Long Island. So the New
York politics story before we get into swamp Watch is
that Zoron Mamdani has opened this huge lead in this
new poll that came out today by the New York Times.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
What do you make of that? Yeah, I've been following
it closely.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
It's amazing to me.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
But but forty six percent of likely voters say they
plan to choose Zoron Mamdani, forty six percent Cuomo, former
governor Cuomo gets twenty four percent, Curtis Sliwa fifteen percent
of the current mayor not a laugh, Not a laugh,
that's mean the current mayor, Eric Adams, only gets nine percent.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
So wow, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
And then the White House, of course, has been slowly
and quietly suggesting maybe Eric Adams and Andrew Cuomo or
Eric Adams and Curtis Lee will get out of the
race so that their support could go to Cuomo. But
it still doesn't add up to what zor on Mom
Donnie's been pulling in these polls.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
And I guess there's like a yet to see. I mean,
there's still a little time left. But yeah, Cuomo is
going to fight to the death.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
It seems like I saw an interview with him yesterday.
He has not given up the ghost at all.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
He does not appear to be That's what it sounds like.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
I mean, what else is he gonna do?
Speaker 4 (02:40):
That is true?
Speaker 3 (02:41):
What is he he's gonna get? He he has.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Had an awful time sitting around not being governor. He's
got to do something.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
He has to do something, and he seems like this
it's his calling. And again I think people were expecting
that maybe he would also maybe drop out, but seems
like he's hanging in tight, going for the bitter end.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
All right, It's eleven o'clock time for swamp watch. I'm
a politician, which means I'm a cheat and a liar.
When I'm not kissing babies, I'm stealing that lollipops here.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
We got the real problem is that our leaders are done.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
The other side never quits, so what I'm not going anywhere.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
So now now you train the squaw, I can imagine
what can be and be unburdened by what has been.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
You know, Americans have always been going act, but they're
not stupid.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
A political plunder is what a politician actually tells the truth.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Whether people voted for you with not swamp Watch, they're
all kind of knowlled.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
So the big deal that has continued to just dog
this administration, well, I shouldn't say the administration that has
continued to dog the president is the story of Jeffrey Epstein.
Lawyers for Jeffrey Epstein's estate gave Congress a copy of
that purported birthday book that was put together for Jeffrey
Epstein's fiftieth birthday, which included letters, cards, notes, et cetera
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from a bunch of different people, including President Trump, allegedly. Allegedly,
it was originally reported by The Wall Street Journal that
this this card or note was drawn. It looks like
the shape of a woman with a really bad I
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don't know under boob drawing. I don't even know how
to describe what it is, but that it signed, it
signed Donald, it's written or it's typed out Donald J. Trump,
but he just wrote Donald Supposedly, when this came out,
Trump denied the writing, denied the letter, denied drawing the picture,
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said it's fake, said he was going to sue for
ten billion dollars, and that it was non existent, that
this thing wasn't real. Yesterday, the Epstein a state, turns
it over to Congress. Congress, again controlled by Republicans, released
this thing and said, well, there it.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Is, and there it is, and again is the cover
up worse than the lie itself. But it does appear
that this is in existence. Of course Trump is saying
that it's fake, but it does appear to exist. It's
a very strange little poem of sorts, you know, referring
to each other as an enigma or that they have
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a shared secret. And yeah, just the just the idea
that there's a note with a shape of a young
girl or a young woman is kind of gross.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
And it's I I've struggled with this because it feels
like the better option always would have been, Yeah, I
knew the guy. Yeah, we hung out. We hung out
in New York. We were in the same circles. We
all had rich friends. We did we went to the
same parties. We have the same attitude towards you know,
sitting in one corner and you know, saying derogatory things
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about women, not that they you know, he could say,
we didn't do anything about it. We were just having fun,
like guys do jim talk locker room talk. But then
to say something like, but I never saw him do this.
I was never around him when he did this. I
never spent time with him in Palm Beach. However he
wanted to do it. But just to say something like
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that's fake, that didn't happen that when clearly there was
a relationship there exactly.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
And listen, you can't be held accountable for every associate
that you have, right, We've all been to events or
parties where there may be people there that are doing
nefarious things that have nothing to do with you or
even in your purview, So why not just be transparent
about that. I also thought it was interesting too Virginia Guffrey,
who was you know, the blonde victim who was sort
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of the poster child of this victim forward Epstein case
Frankly who lost her life to suicide back in April.
You know, she met Epstein at mar A Lago she
was sixteen years old and working at the Mar A
Lago spa. Her dad was tending to the grounds there
and she was able to score a job there again
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sixteen years old, Epstein met her. You know, Trump said
himself that, you know, he hasn't spoken to Epstein in
years because he stole one of his employees. Like what
does that mean? Exactly, So there's obviously a relationship. And
even putting that aside, where is this money coming from
with Epstein? I think, you know, this is just sort
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of a tipping point where hopefully we'll see more of
these non disclosure agreements, some of these financial agreements. The
fact that JP Morgan is being implicated in this in
Deutsche Bank, you know, possibly you know, foreign lands. This
is serious stuff and it's a really vast enterprise.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I want to talk more about that if we can't,
because there is there's a lot too, there's a lot
of meat on that bone in terms of the next
couple of questions that need to be asked and answered
about this case.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
All right, we'll continue that as we come back.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Gary and Shannon will continue with Stephanie Leidecker in for
Shannon today.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Stephanie Eli Decker is in for Shannon today. Shannon will
be back next week. She's taken care of her mom.
So thank you for all of those who have sent
good wishes her way.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
I would like to send good wishes her way.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, Diane's gonna have some I was gonna say, I
was gonna put it this way.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
She's gonna have some work done.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
But that makes it sound like she's going under the
knife for some cosmetic reasons.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
In a boob job.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Not what it is. But so we're thinking about Shannon
and her mom. Diane.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
All right, we were talking about this letter birthday letter
with Trump's signature, and again he's still standing by the
idea that this is not real and that it was
made up by the Wall Street Journal. That's why he's
continuing with his lawsuit for ten billion dollars. He's pressing
forward with this defamation case. Caroline Levitt at the White
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House set. As I have said all along, it's very
clear President Trump did not draw this picture and he
did not sign it. Well, I don't know, I don't know.
It's one of those things. It's like, how could you
possibly prove the provenance of this letter from thirty years
or twenty years ago whatever.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Exactly exactly. And by the way, what does that assertion
mean that somebody back twenty years ago had this fake
letter drawn up with the anticipation that twenty years later
the person who's signing it would be president. That seems
impossible or is the assertion that that's being generated now
by the estate as a falsehood.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
One of the things that came out last week is
when the victims of Jeffrey Epstein stood on the steps
of the Capitol so powerful and demanded the release of
more information. They referenced something that I think hadn't gotten
a lot of attention up to that point, and that
was the involvement of major banks in handling and dealing
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with Jeffrey Epstein's ridiculous amount of money wherever.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
It came from.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
So that I think is an ada, is an avenue
that whoever might still be investigating this, whether it's the
House Oversight Committee or whoever, that that's sort of the
next rich vein for them to tap into.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Yeah, and again taking it away from this current president
or former presidents. I mean again, this is not a
lone wolf. There seems to be many high profile people
at the heart of this. Just the idea that there's
a billion dollars or there's been millions and millions of
dollars of trades, or that JP Morgan is being implicated
in this, and you know, allegedly, allegedly allegedly, you know,
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aware that there had been sex trafficking violations while doing
so is pretty outstanding and staggering. And again Deutsche Bank
being implicated as well, and you know, foreign adversary is
being implicated. It's you know, it's really vast.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
And then the other aspect of this that is a
conspiracy angle to it, but I think is well, I
don't want to belittle the true story of what this
was in sex trafficking.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
That's why Jeffrey Epstein went down.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Yeah, he's been convicted and found guilty of sex trafficking,
so let that not be discounted.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
But this aspect of it, of the relationship with the
president and why there has been sort of a reversal
in terms of the releasing of the information. And the
question is who might he be protecting? And there are
a lot of different theories, a lot of different names
of potential people that he could be protecting to the
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degree where he's referring to it as a hoax. I
didn't think when he said that. When Trump said that,
I didn't think he was saying that the women, for example,
who were speaking on the steps of the Capitol last week,
I didn't believe that he was saying that they were
part of the lie. It's that he was suggesting that democrats,
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his words, democrats were pushing a story that doesn't exist,
you know, adding details to the already horrific story that
don't that doesn't exist.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
I don't know about that. I think he was also
discounting the claims of victims. If he's calling this a
hoax to some degree, and if we're letting Gelaine Maxwell
go into a low security prison and there is no
client list, there's no there there, then that does kind
of discount the many women who came forward last week.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Well, speaking of the list, So and back to the
question of who might he be protecting?
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Are who do you think? I mean?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Is it Is it a group of names of very
high profile people, rich friends that he's had that he's
trying to protect.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Is it his wife?
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Is it somebody close to even closer to him. I mean,
I don't I don't know where how we would find
that out.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
I mean some of its rumor, right, so we have
no real way of knowing. And there have been so
many names thrown out and again former presidents. And again
this is not a political issue. This is a justice issue,
as we've said. Yeah, is it Milania Trump the first lady?
You know, there was speculation that she and Donald even
met through Epstein back in the day. Who knows, that's
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the chatter that gets spoken about, or again if there
are high level, influential leaders in different countries. And remember
when this will happens. Remember when you know, we saw
those crates and boxes and boxes of tapes and things
that were being removed from the island and from the
Epstein house that he had in New York City, et cetera.
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You know, the idea and the implication was this island
was a blackmail center where there were cameras everywhere, and
perhaps he was, you know, a spy or a double agent,
and he was luring high profile you know, men from
around the world who are either controlling the tech world
or you know, have you know, prince statuses and who
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knows big, big names that affect our daily lives. And
if they were being you know, brought there and lured
there and put into circumstances with underage girls as early
as as young as fourteen years old, and then there's
video proof of that, is there a larger cover up
because there's real proof, and that's a scary thought. This
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would make it one of the most profound cover ups
of our time, and my humble opinion.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
And I just don't think anybody's capable of those anymore.
I mean, cover ups like that, they would make great movies, novels.
I just based on the way that people leak information
these days, it would be hard for them to cover
it up for that long.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
And we've had victims come forward again and again and again.
Gil Maxwell is serving twenty years. She was found guilty
on six counts. I mean, so this was not something
that was a small operation. We're talking about hundreds, if
not thousands of women worldwide. This is a high stakes operation.
I was working on a documentary called Murdered and Missing
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a Montana It's streaming on Peacock, which really was a
deep dive into sex trafficking, specifically off of Native American reservations.
And I share this only to say there was a
moment in time, this is now several years ago where
I was convinced I could link that trafficking trail to
New Mexico, which was kind of the original og Epstein
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location that he would be, you know, allegedly allegedly allegedly
tracking women and trafficking women. And we all got a
little spooked, and it did seem like everybody was like, oh,
hands off, hands off, hands off, You're getting too close
to the fire. And I think we're really close to
the fire right now. And when you hear those victims
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come out last week, I mean they're putting their lives
on the line by showing their faces. This is shameful
stuff that they've been carrying for years now, and to
have that kind of be discounted is kind of a shock.
And I think that's the nonpartisan part. We all can
agree that pedophilia in sex trafficking.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Is not okay, generally bad.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
We all agree on that, right, So I think that's
the nerve it's kind of hitting with all of us.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
All Right, we will switch gears here in just a
second and talk about psychedelics and in terms of the
use of psychedelics for head traumas. But I want to
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Stephanie Leidecker has joined us in for Shannon today again
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more about why people are turning to psychedelics for head trauma.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
That's next.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
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Speaker 3 (16:24):
The top of the hour. We're gonna update you on this.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
It's not humorous for the people who are dealing with it,
but it's humorous to watch. And that is this These
cargo containers that have fallen off of this ship down
to the port of Long Beach. Dozens of containers are
in the water now. And like you said, Stephanie, hasn't
that water been through enough far?
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Water has just been through too much? Can we give
the water a break?
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Big story today is we launched a strike that was
targeting Hamas leadership in Cotter. Today it looks as if
they killed six or seven, maybe more of these Hamas
lead that were there actually discussing the peace proposal set
forth by President Trump. This is the second time that
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caught Her has been directly attacked in the almost two
years now since the October seventh attacks by Hamas from
twenty twenty three. Also, Israel's military is ordering the evacuation
of anybody who might be in Gassa City, any Palestinians
that might be there. Still, they're expounding their expanding their
ground defensive against Tomas.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
In the area.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
An hour, not an hour from now, about forty five
minutes or so from now, We're going to start a
True Crime Tuesday show a little early. We're going to
do it a segment early because there is a documentary
on Netflix that's gotten a lot of coverage and it's
called Unknown Number in general terms, it's about cyber bullying,
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text message bullying, and it's one of the crazier stories
that you've heard of. I guarantee it will try to
We were discussing this off the air, like we can't
even tell the story completely without giving the spoiler of.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
That's a tough one, and I hate a spoiler if
I haven't watched something. But this is getting so much
chatter everywhere that it feels like, do we do the
spoil what do we think?
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Well?
Speaker 2 (18:18):
And it's one of those if you remember the story,
it's a recent story. It's not like it happened twelve
fifteen years ago. It happened just in the last couple
of years. So there's a recency to it that you
might go, oh, I do remember this?
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Do you recall that story?
Speaker 2 (18:33):
And if you do remember it, then you know how
crazy the ending is. But yes, we'll talk about that again.
The Unknown Number documentary coming up, and the term Munchausen
by Internet it's a perfectly describes this, all right. We've
talked a lot of times about psychedelics. In fact, I
think the last time we'd discussed it we talked about
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former Texas Governor Rick Perry and Secretary of Energy at
one time, who is now all in on. I think
it's eyebigain specifically as a psychedelic to help treat different
mental traumas mental disorders in some cases, but mostly mental
traumas think PTSD, traumatic brain injuries, and things like that.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
There is a new push as well.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
For those with head trauma to turn to psychedelics, specifically ayahuasca.
The effects of ayahuasca pretty fairly well documented. Very powerful
hallucinogens could bring significant shifts in self understanding via psychological
mechanisms sometimes labeled by researchers as the quote mystical experience.
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But some former NFL All Pro players are pushing this
a little bit more. Jordan Poyer was one time Buffalo
Bill's safety. Retired Raiders guard Robert Gallat forty nine ers
former guard John Feliciano have been experimenting with this and
they talk about it really improving their lives. I don't
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know a whole lot of people who at least admit
that they're taking psychedelics, but I have read accounts of
people who say it's almost an indescribable awakening or enlightenment.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Many do say that. Many do say that. And they
say that about ketamine too, and you know, again that's
one of the drugs being noted as well as something
that if administered in a specific way, could be helpful
for PTSD or brain injury, et cetera. But again that
also is tricky stuff. You know, we know that. You know,
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Matthew Perry, for example, somehow on the black market was
able to get ketamine as an example, and ultimately died
because of it, and that ketamine queen has now pled guilty.
I've actually done ayahuasca, so I'll be one of the
few people to say it out loud. I did not
have that experience at all, so maybe it was bunk.
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I really did not. I had a bad shaman badge apparently,
But there was this woman who had like a never
ending headache, she had migraines for life, and apparently she
claimed that it helped quite a bit. I don't know.
It's dangerous stuff, so it has to obviously be handled
with care under doctor's supervision.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Well, not to give terrorists the recipe for a bomb,
but in what form did you take ayahuasca?
Speaker 4 (21:33):
It's like in a cup, it's a leaf, and it's
administered by a shaman. And the idea for that is
you drink what basically tastes like the most disgusting thing
you've ever tasted in your entire life, and then you
are praying in the moonlight, and at some point it
makes you kind of vomit. In my case, it did not,
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but everybody around me was vomiting, which you could imagine
was so lovely and it expected maybe you know things
that are stressful or you know, offers enlightenment. So I did. Again,
I didn't have that experience. I wouldn't even recommend it slightly.
But people are doing it more recreationally as well, and
I don't know what kind of scares me.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Jordan Poyer, again, a former safety for the Bills Journeys
to Costa Rica, says he's taken ayahuasca ten times, ten
more times on top of one that is the original,
seeking not just its broader, more holistic benefits, he says,
but the potential healing of repeated concussions. And he's experimented
with something called yopo, a hallucinogenic plant used in a
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variety of Caribbean rituals. Also another one called cambo, which
is the more traditional licking the frog. It is the
psychoactive amphibian secretion that has applied transdermally.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Come on, come.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
On, And Jordan Poyer says, now I look back and
I think, damn, imagine how fed up my head could be.
And he says he hasn't done it, but he's interested
in undergoing an MRI in order to produce a neuroimaged
evidence that his brain is being chemically altered. And hopefully
in his mind he says repaired the concussions.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
People do say it. I mean, again, my experience was
decades ago in Peru. I might add it was a
thing at a time, But again, who am I to say?
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I in college trying to make sure I get the
name right. Timothy Leary, you know, the whole Timothy Leary story.
And they've like a grandfather or godfather of LSD, however
you want to say it. I saw we hosted him,
I was on the activities board. We hosted him for
a speech one night. That guy had moments of absolute clarity,
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I mean, and could carry on a conversation and was
interested and you know, cognizant. And then there were moments
where he was in such a state that he could
he babbled and could not keep his attention on any
one thing, and it would come in waves, it'd come
and go.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Because he was on drugs, you know. And that's I
think the burning ticket. And listen, this could be also
scary stuff if someone struggling with addiction. Again, not to
bring it back to Matthew Perry, totally different set of circumstances,
but you know, I think the theory was for him
that he was being administered some of these drugs because
it was really helpful for his addiction and was helping
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him recover. Yet here he was getting it on the
black market, administrating it himself, and you know, lost his life.
So it's also really dangerous.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Yeah, when we come back, speaking of danger, Hey, Facebook
and his parent company Meta looked into child safety and
then sat on the research, at least according to some
of their employees.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
We'll continue and do that when we come back.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Shannon's out today, but do not worry.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
She'll be back next week. She is taking care of
her mom.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Her mom's going through some medical stuff, so she's taken
care of mom, so our thoughts are with her.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Hi, Gary, Hey, so did Shannon drink.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
The water down there? Get a little bit of their
version of montozumas that are revenge?
Speaker 1 (25:26):
You know? No?
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
She was in Brazil for the football game of she well,
the last time they traveled internationally, they went to Mexico City. Know,
they've been to London since then, but one of the
games that they played in that the Chargers plating was
down in Mexico City, and she made the mistake of
having I think they were branded as meat tacos outside
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the stadium, didn't specify which meat it was, just it
just said meat on the sign, So that caused issues,
but she says, thankfully.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
She lived to tell the tale was probably delicious.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
She said it was one of her greatest weight loss
plans ever, I get it, intentional or not. Stephanie Leidecker
has joined us in Shannon's stead.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Today.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
You can hear Stephanie just what is it? Four nights
a week now on the True Crime.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Tonight five nights a week Sunday through Thursday, five nights
a week, two hours live and also lives as a
podcast right after.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Excellent and you can find it, of course, on the
iHeart app. We just type in True Crime Tonight. All right,
you got a kid, You're gonna have to deal with
all of this stuff. Unfortunately, it's a some degree a
report that came out from documents from the Meta company Meta,
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of course, the owner of Facebook and Instagram, et cetera.
These documents, disclosed to Congress came from two current and
two former employees of the company that says that Meta
suppressed research that might have given the true nature of
potential safety risk to kids and teens on the virtual
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reality devices that Meta has put out, but also the apps. Now,
Meta has said for years they care about your kids.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Oh of course, they love them dearly.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Yeah, I bet they do.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
But they've also and they have of course vehetmame ly
denied that they suppressed any of this evidence. But of course,
just as an anecdote. One of the ones that they
one of the little factoids that was supposedly left out
of a report was a team of researchers goes to
visit a family in Germany to researchers from Meta, and
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they're talking to a mom and her sons, and mom
says she didn't allow her sons to interact with strangers
on the virtual reality headsets from Meta, and her teenage
son pipes up and go, well, actually, I do see
a lot of strangers. I do interact with a lot
of strangers on there, And in fact, one of them
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had sexually propositioned my ten year old little brother.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
That sounds about right.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
So they did not include that little anecdote in the reports.
Back to Meta and they're there sort of a self
inspection when it came to safety around kids.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Listen, it's not being regulated. And we're hearing that with
roeblocks for example. We covered that on our show recently
as well. And yeah, it's like the wild wild West,
and it's it says enough when the creators themselves are
not allowing their own children to be online or operating
from these apps as well.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Yeah, famously didn't Steve Jobs say he didn't want his
own kids to have an iPhone?
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Correct and z all of them? It seems like they
you know, the dangers are real, and now that the
genie is out of the bottle, I mean, look, screen
saved the day at least for me during COVID, Right,
I don't know what else would have happened. And obviously
everyone's online for school and you know, and the upside
would be, hopefully we are going to be raising the
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most tech savvy generation of humans. But it's hard to
put that back in the bottle. And the kids are
smarter than us, so there is no real parental control
that you know, a smart young adult probably can't get
around at this point.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah, and I wonder if that's a generational thing. I
wonder if if our parents looked at us and thought
those kids are going to be smarter than us, maybe
because I know there were plenty of times my parents
did not think that about me, No.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Because we were all watching TV all the time.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
As in that case, yes, as opposed to going out
and doing the things that now have become sort of
fashionable once again, like allowing your kids the free reign
to go play in the neighborhood when so come back
when the light street lights come on kind of thing,
and that that has become the newest way to raise kids,
even though that's the way kids were raised since street lights.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
M M, you know, right, I mean, so it's a
weird I don't know.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Generation is repeating itself that we all say the same things.
Perhaps that our parents said.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
It's true, but if they are in fact suppressing this information,
you know that to me seems criminal in its own way.
I make everything about a crime I recognize. But again
it just seems like that is not okay. And some
of that information we just need to have it real time,
And here we are, AI is upon us. The world
is changing so much real time. We just want to
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be able to pace ourselves and kind of keep developing
with it and the more information we have, the better.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
I see it a little bit like kind of the
way we've we've started to view food again in that
social media and apps where you can communicate as quickly
as this have become sort of the ultra processed food
of relationships.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
So we're not the help.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
It will satisfy you to a degree, but then you
quickly want more, or you quickly it doesn't give you
the nutrition that you need, but it may give you
some statist momentary satisfaction. I can eat a bag of Dorito's,
trust me, and I will love every minute of it.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
But down the road it doesn't help me generally.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
That makes sense, know that all the Cheetos in the
world will not equal a good social interaction in person,
or you know, Hiken in the woods.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
And the same thing with as basic as it is,
you know, the greatest text conversation you miss so much, nuance,
you miss so much, you know, body language, nonverbal cues.
It just changes the way the conversation goes, and you'll
you may never really know what your mom meant when
she sent that emoji of the poop exactly.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
I think I could read between the lines on that one.
That one I think, totally, totally read between the lines.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
All right, all of our trending story is coming up,
and then we're gonna do a handful of segments. We're
gonna do a bunch of segments on this documentary called
Unknown Number on Netflix that taps into a little bit
of what we're just talking about when it comes to
child safety online and with technology. Stephanie Leidecker in for
Shannon today. We'll be right back right after this. You've
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Last night's Monday Night football game, of course, was won
by the Vikings, led by their new quarterback JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
They beat the Bears last night twenty seven to twenty four.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Baseball wise, Angels lost to the Twins twelve to three.
They'll play again today, and the Dodgers did beat the
Rockies three to one. They actually came within a couple
of outs of a no hitter, but the Dodgers will
host the Rockies again later on tonight. Mentioned a former
Hurricane Kiko, now a tropical storm continues to pass above
the Hawaiian Island, still churning up some riptides and surf
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conditions that are.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Less than safe.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Storm is expected to continue to weaken though, as it
passes north of the island chain today and tomorrow. Mayor
Bass just a short time ago, actually was watching on
one of the TVs here in the studio did officially
dorse former Mayor Antonio Villa Ragosa as he runs for governor.
We've already got some comments that that's probably the worst
(01:07):
endorsement that he could have gotten considering her her status right.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Now in terms of the mayor of La so And
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Stephanie Lei Decker has joined us as to sit in
today for the rest of the show, host of the
True Crime Tonight, among other things. And I don't know
if you follow you're from Long Island. So the New
York politics story before we get into swamp Watch is
that Zoron Mamdani has opened this huge lead in this
new poll that came out today by the New York Times.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
What do you make of that? Yeah, I've been following
it closely.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
It's amazing to me.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
But but forty six percent of likely voters say they
plan to choose Zoron Mamdani, forty six percent Cuomo, former
governor Cuomo gets twenty four percent, Curtis Sliwa fifteen percent
of the current mayor not a laugh, Not a laugh,
that's mean the current mayor, Eric Adams, only gets nine percent.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
So wow, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
And then the White House, of course, has been slowly
and quietly suggesting maybe Eric Adams and Andrew Cuomo or
Eric Adams and Curtis Lee will get out of the
race so that their support could go to Cuomo. But
it still doesn't add up to what zor on Mom
Donnie's been pulling in these polls.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
And I guess there's like a yet to see. I mean,
there's still a little time left. But yeah, Cuomo is
going to fight to the death.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
It seems like I saw an interview with him yesterday.
He has not given up the ghost at all.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
He does not appear to be That's what it sounds like.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
I mean, what else is he gonna do?
Speaker 4 (02:40):
That is true?
Speaker 3 (02:41):
What is he he's gonna get? He he has.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Had an awful time sitting around not being governor. He's
got to do something.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
He has to do something, and he seems like this
it's his calling. And again I think people were expecting
that maybe he would also maybe drop out, but seems
like he's hanging in tight, going for the bitter end.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
All right, It's eleven o'clock time for swamp watch. I'm
a politician, which means I'm a cheat and a liar.
When I'm not kissing babies, I'm stealing that lollipops here.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
We got the real problem is that our leaders are done.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
The other side never quits, so what I'm not going anywhere.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
So now now you train the squaw, I can imagine
what can be and be unburdened by what has been.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
You know, Americans have always been going act, but they're
not stupid.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
A political plunder is what a politician actually tells the truth.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Whether people voted for you with not swamp Watch, they're
all kind of knowlled.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
So the big deal that has continued to just dog
this administration, well, I shouldn't say the administration that has
continued to dog the president is the story of Jeffrey Epstein.
Lawyers for Jeffrey Epstein's estate gave Congress a copy of
that purported birthday book that was put together for Jeffrey
Epstein's fiftieth birthday, which included letters, cards, notes, et cetera
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from a bunch of different people, including President Trump, allegedly. Allegedly,
it was originally reported by The Wall Street Journal that
this this card or note was drawn. It looks like
the shape of a woman with a really bad I
(04:18):
don't know under boob drawing. I don't even know how
to describe what it is, but that it signed, it
signed Donald, it's written or it's typed out Donald J. Trump,
but he just wrote Donald Supposedly, when this came out,
Trump denied the writing, denied the letter, denied drawing the picture,
(04:38):
said it's fake, said he was going to sue for
ten billion dollars, and that it was non existent, that
this thing wasn't real. Yesterday, the Epstein a state, turns
it over to Congress. Congress, again controlled by Republicans, released
this thing and said, well, there it.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Is, and there it is, and again is the cover
up worse than the lie itself. But it does appear
that this is in existence. Of course Trump is saying
that it's fake, but it does appear to exist. It's
a very strange little poem of sorts, you know, referring
to each other as an enigma or that they have
(05:16):
a shared secret. And yeah, just the just the idea
that there's a note with a shape of a young
girl or a young woman is kind of gross.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
And it's I I've struggled with this because it feels
like the better option always would have been, Yeah, I
knew the guy. Yeah, we hung out. We hung out
in New York. We were in the same circles. We
all had rich friends. We did we went to the
same parties. We have the same attitude towards you know,
sitting in one corner and you know, saying derogatory things
(05:49):
about women, not that they you know, he could say,
we didn't do anything about it. We were just having fun,
like guys do jim talk locker room talk. But then
to say something like, but I never saw him do this.
I was never around him when he did this. I
never spent time with him in Palm Beach. However he
wanted to do it. But just to say something like
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that's fake, that didn't happen that when clearly there was
a relationship there exactly.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
And listen, you can't be held accountable for every associate
that you have, right, We've all been to events or
parties where there may be people there that are doing
nefarious things that have nothing to do with you or
even in your purview, So why not just be transparent
about that. I also thought it was interesting too Virginia Guffrey,
who was you know, the blonde victim who was sort
(06:36):
of the poster child of this victim forward Epstein case
Frankly who lost her life to suicide back in April.
You know, she met Epstein at mar A Lago she
was sixteen years old and working at the Mar A
Lago spa. Her dad was tending to the grounds there
and she was able to score a job there again
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sixteen years old, Epstein met her. You know, Trump said
himself that, you know, he hasn't spoken to Epstein in
years because he stole one of his employees. Like what
does that mean? Exactly, So there's obviously a relationship. And
even putting that aside, where is this money coming from
with Epstein? I think, you know, this is just sort
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of a tipping point where hopefully we'll see more of
these non disclosure agreements, some of these financial agreements. The
fact that JP Morgan is being implicated in this in
Deutsche Bank, you know, possibly you know, foreign lands. This
is serious stuff and it's a really vast enterprise.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I want to talk more about that if we can't,
because there is there's a lot too, there's a lot
of meat on that bone in terms of the next
couple of questions that need to be asked and answered
about this case.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
All right, we'll continue that as we come back.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Gary and Shannon will continue with Stephanie Leidecker in for
Shannon today.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Stephanie Eli Decker is in for Shannon today. Shannon will
be back next week. She's taken care of her mom.
So thank you for all of those who have sent
good wishes her way.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
I would like to send good wishes her way.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, Diane's gonna have some I was gonna say, I
was gonna put it this way.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
She's gonna have some work done.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
But that makes it sound like she's going under the
knife for some cosmetic reasons.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
In a boob job.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Not what it is. But so we're thinking about Shannon
and her mom. Diane.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
All right, we were talking about this letter birthday letter
with Trump's signature, and again he's still standing by the
idea that this is not real and that it was
made up by the Wall Street Journal. That's why he's
continuing with his lawsuit for ten billion dollars. He's pressing
forward with this defamation case. Caroline Levitt at the White
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House set. As I have said all along, it's very
clear President Trump did not draw this picture and he
did not sign it. Well, I don't know, I don't know.
It's one of those things. It's like, how could you
possibly prove the provenance of this letter from thirty years
or twenty years ago whatever.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Exactly exactly. And by the way, what does that assertion
mean that somebody back twenty years ago had this fake
letter drawn up with the anticipation that twenty years later
the person who's signing it would be president. That seems
impossible or is the assertion that that's being generated now
by the estate as a falsehood.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
One of the things that came out last week is
when the victims of Jeffrey Epstein stood on the steps
of the Capitol so powerful and demanded the release of
more information. They referenced something that I think hadn't gotten
a lot of attention up to that point, and that
was the involvement of major banks in handling and dealing
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with Jeffrey Epstein's ridiculous amount of money wherever.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
It came from.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
So that I think is an ada, is an avenue
that whoever might still be investigating this, whether it's the
House Oversight Committee or whoever, that that's sort of the
next rich vein for them to tap into.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Yeah, and again taking it away from this current president
or former presidents. I mean again, this is not a
lone wolf. There seems to be many high profile people
at the heart of this. Just the idea that there's
a billion dollars or there's been millions and millions of
dollars of trades, or that JP Morgan is being implicated
in this, and you know, allegedly, allegedly allegedly, you know,
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aware that there had been sex trafficking violations while doing
so is pretty outstanding and staggering. And again Deutsche Bank
being implicated as well, and you know, foreign adversary is
being implicated. It's you know, it's really vast.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
And then the other aspect of this that is a
conspiracy angle to it, but I think is well, I
don't want to belittle the true story of what this
was in sex trafficking.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
That's why Jeffrey Epstein went down.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Yeah, he's been convicted and found guilty of sex trafficking,
so let that not be discounted.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
But this aspect of it, of the relationship with the
president and why there has been sort of a reversal
in terms of the releasing of the information. And the
question is who might he be protecting? And there are
a lot of different theories, a lot of different names
of potential people that he could be protecting to the
(11:30):
degree where he's referring to it as a hoax. I
didn't think when he said that. When Trump said that,
I didn't think he was saying that the women, for example,
who were speaking on the steps of the Capitol last week,
I didn't believe that he was saying that they were
part of the lie. It's that he was suggesting that democrats,
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his words, democrats were pushing a story that doesn't exist,
you know, adding details to the already horrific story that
don't that doesn't exist.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
I don't know about that. I think he was also
discounting the claims of victims. If he's calling this a
hoax to some degree, and if we're letting Gelaine Maxwell
go into a low security prison and there is no
client list, there's no there there, then that does kind
of discount the many women who came forward last week.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Well, speaking of the list, So and back to the
question of who might he be protecting?
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Are who do you think? I mean?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Is it Is it a group of names of very
high profile people, rich friends that he's had that he's
trying to protect.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Is it his wife?
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Is it somebody close to even closer to him. I mean,
I don't I don't know where how we would find
that out.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
I mean some of its rumor, right, so we have
no real way of knowing. And there have been so
many names thrown out and again former presidents. And again
this is not a political issue. This is a justice issue,
as we've said. Yeah, is it Milania Trump the first lady?
You know, there was speculation that she and Donald even
met through Epstein back in the day. Who knows, that's
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the chatter that gets spoken about, or again if there
are high level, influential leaders in different countries. And remember
when this will happens. Remember when you know, we saw
those crates and boxes and boxes of tapes and things
that were being removed from the island and from the
Epstein house that he had in New York City, et cetera.
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You know, the idea and the implication was this island
was a blackmail center where there were cameras everywhere, and
perhaps he was, you know, a spy or a double agent,
and he was luring high profile you know, men from
around the world who are either controlling the tech world
or you know, have you know, prince statuses and who
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knows big, big names that affect our daily lives. And
if they were being you know, brought there and lured
there and put into circumstances with underage girls as early
as as young as fourteen years old, and then there's
video proof of that, is there a larger cover up
because there's real proof, and that's a scary thought. This
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would make it one of the most profound cover ups
of our time, and my humble opinion.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
And I just don't think anybody's capable of those anymore.
I mean, cover ups like that, they would make great movies, novels.
I just based on the way that people leak information
these days, it would be hard for them to cover
it up for that long.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
And we've had victims come forward again and again and again.
Gil Maxwell is serving twenty years. She was found guilty
on six counts. I mean, so this was not something
that was a small operation. We're talking about hundreds, if
not thousands of women worldwide. This is a high stakes operation.
I was working on a documentary called Murdered and Missing
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a Montana It's streaming on Peacock, which really was a
deep dive into sex trafficking, specifically off of Native American reservations.
And I share this only to say there was a
moment in time, this is now several years ago where
I was convinced I could link that trafficking trail to
New Mexico, which was kind of the original og Epstein
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location that he would be, you know, allegedly allegedly allegedly
tracking women and trafficking women. And we all got a
little spooked, and it did seem like everybody was like, oh,
hands off, hands off, hands off, You're getting too close
to the fire. And I think we're really close to
the fire right now. And when you hear those victims
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come out last week, I mean they're putting their lives
on the line by showing their faces. This is shameful
stuff that they've been carrying for years now, and to
have that kind of be discounted is kind of a shock.
And I think that's the nonpartisan part. We all can
agree that pedophilia in sex trafficking.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Is not okay, generally bad.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
We all agree on that, right, So I think that's
the nerve it's kind of hitting with all of us.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
All Right, we will switch gears here in just a
second and talk about psychedelics and in terms of the
use of psychedelics for head traumas. But I want to
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Stephanie Leidecker has joined us in for Shannon today again
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more about why people are turning to psychedelics for head trauma.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
That's next.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
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Speaker 3 (16:24):
The top of the hour. We're gonna update you on this.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
It's not humorous for the people who are dealing with it,
but it's humorous to watch. And that is this These
cargo containers that have fallen off of this ship down
to the port of Long Beach. Dozens of containers are
in the water now. And like you said, Stephanie, hasn't
that water been through enough far?
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Water has just been through too much? Can we give
the water a break?
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Big story today is we launched a strike that was
targeting Hamas leadership in Cotter. Today it looks as if
they killed six or seven, maybe more of these Hamas
lead that were there actually discussing the peace proposal set
forth by President Trump. This is the second time that
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caught Her has been directly attacked in the almost two
years now since the October seventh attacks by Hamas from
twenty twenty three. Also, Israel's military is ordering the evacuation
of anybody who might be in Gassa City, any Palestinians
that might be there. Still, they're expounding their expanding their
ground defensive against Tomas.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
In the area.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
An hour, not an hour from now, about forty five
minutes or so from now, We're going to start a
True Crime Tuesday show a little early. We're going to
do it a segment early because there is a documentary
on Netflix that's gotten a lot of coverage and it's
called Unknown Number in general terms, it's about cyber bullying,
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text message bullying, and it's one of the crazier stories
that you've heard of. I guarantee it will try to
We were discussing this off the air, like we can't
even tell the story completely without giving the spoiler of.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
That's a tough one, and I hate a spoiler if
I haven't watched something. But this is getting so much
chatter everywhere that it feels like, do we do the
spoil what do we think?
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Well?
Speaker 2 (18:18):
And it's one of those if you remember the story,
it's a recent story. It's not like it happened twelve
fifteen years ago. It happened just in the last couple
of years. So there's a recency to it that you
might go, oh, I do remember this?
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Do you recall that story?
Speaker 2 (18:33):
And if you do remember it, then you know how
crazy the ending is. But yes, we'll talk about that again.
The Unknown Number documentary coming up, and the term Munchausen
by Internet it's a perfectly describes this, all right. We've
talked a lot of times about psychedelics. In fact, I
think the last time we'd discussed it we talked about
(18:54):
former Texas Governor Rick Perry and Secretary of Energy at
one time, who is now all in on. I think
it's eyebigain specifically as a psychedelic to help treat different
mental traumas mental disorders in some cases, but mostly mental
traumas think PTSD, traumatic brain injuries, and things like that.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
There is a new push as well.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
For those with head trauma to turn to psychedelics, specifically ayahuasca.
The effects of ayahuasca pretty fairly well documented. Very powerful
hallucinogens could bring significant shifts in self understanding via psychological
mechanisms sometimes labeled by researchers as the quote mystical experience.
(19:47):
But some former NFL All Pro players are pushing this
a little bit more. Jordan Poyer was one time Buffalo
Bill's safety. Retired Raiders guard Robert Gallat forty nine ers
former guard John Feliciano have been experimenting with this and
they talk about it really improving their lives. I don't
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know a whole lot of people who at least admit
that they're taking psychedelics, but I have read accounts of
people who say it's almost an indescribable awakening or enlightenment.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Many do say that. Many do say that. And they
say that about ketamine too, and you know, again that's
one of the drugs being noted as well as something
that if administered in a specific way, could be helpful
for PTSD or brain injury, et cetera. But again that
also is tricky stuff. You know, we know that. You know,
(20:46):
Matthew Perry, for example, somehow on the black market was
able to get ketamine as an example, and ultimately died
because of it, and that ketamine queen has now pled guilty.
I've actually done ayahuasca, so I'll be one of the
few people to say it out loud. I did not
have that experience at all, so maybe it was bunk.
(21:07):
I really did not. I had a bad shaman badge apparently,
But there was this woman who had like a never
ending headache, she had migraines for life, and apparently she
claimed that it helped quite a bit. I don't know.
It's dangerous stuff, so it has to obviously be handled
with care under doctor's supervision.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Well, not to give terrorists the recipe for a bomb,
but in what form did you take ayahuasca?
Speaker 4 (21:33):
It's like in a cup, it's a leaf, and it's
administered by a shaman. And the idea for that is
you drink what basically tastes like the most disgusting thing
you've ever tasted in your entire life, and then you
are praying in the moonlight, and at some point it
makes you kind of vomit. In my case, it did not,
(21:55):
but everybody around me was vomiting, which you could imagine
was so lovely and it expected maybe you know things
that are stressful or you know, offers enlightenment. So I did. Again,
I didn't have that experience. I wouldn't even recommend it slightly.
But people are doing it more recreationally as well, and
I don't know what kind of scares me.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Jordan Poyer, again, a former safety for the Bills Journeys
to Costa Rica, says he's taken ayahuasca ten times, ten
more times on top of one that is the original,
seeking not just its broader, more holistic benefits, he says,
but the potential healing of repeated concussions. And he's experimented
with something called yopo, a hallucinogenic plant used in a
(22:39):
variety of Caribbean rituals. Also another one called cambo, which
is the more traditional licking the frog. It is the
psychoactive amphibian secretion that has applied transdermally.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Come on, come.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
On, And Jordan Poyer says, now I look back and
I think, damn, imagine how fed up my head could be.
And he says he hasn't done it, but he's interested
in undergoing an MRI in order to produce a neuroimaged
evidence that his brain is being chemically altered. And hopefully
in his mind he says repaired the concussions.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
People do say it. I mean, again, my experience was
decades ago in Peru. I might add it was a
thing at a time, But again, who am I to say?
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I in college trying to make sure I get the
name right. Timothy Leary, you know, the whole Timothy Leary story.
And they've like a grandfather or godfather of LSD, however
you want to say it. I saw we hosted him,
I was on the activities board. We hosted him for
a speech one night. That guy had moments of absolute clarity,
(23:50):
I mean, and could carry on a conversation and was
interested and you know, cognizant. And then there were moments
where he was in such a state that he could
he babbled and could not keep his attention on any
one thing, and it would come in waves, it'd come
and go.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Because he was on drugs, you know. And that's I
think the burning ticket. And listen, this could be also
scary stuff if someone struggling with addiction. Again, not to
bring it back to Matthew Perry, totally different set of circumstances,
but you know, I think the theory was for him
that he was being administered some of these drugs because
it was really helpful for his addiction and was helping
(24:29):
him recover. Yet here he was getting it on the
black market, administrating it himself, and you know, lost his life.
So it's also really dangerous.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Yeah, when we come back, speaking of danger, Hey, Facebook
and his parent company Meta looked into child safety and
then sat on the research, at least according to some
of their employees.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
We'll continue and do that when we come back.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Shannon's out today, but do not worry.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
She'll be back next week. She is taking care of
her mom.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Her mom's going through some medical stuff, so she's taken
care of mom, so our thoughts are with her.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Hi, Gary, Hey, so did Shannon drink.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
The water down there? Get a little bit of their
version of montozumas that are revenge?
Speaker 1 (25:26):
You know? No?
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
She was in Brazil for the football game of she well,
the last time they traveled internationally, they went to Mexico City. Know,
they've been to London since then, but one of the
games that they played in that the Chargers plating was
down in Mexico City, and she made the mistake of
having I think they were branded as meat tacos outside
(25:52):
the stadium, didn't specify which meat it was, just it
just said meat on the sign, So that caused issues,
but she says, thankfully.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
She lived to tell the tale was probably delicious.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
She said it was one of her greatest weight loss
plans ever, I get it, intentional or not. Stephanie Leidecker
has joined us in Shannon's stead.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Today.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
You can hear Stephanie just what is it? Four nights
a week now on the True Crime.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Tonight five nights a week Sunday through Thursday, five nights
a week, two hours live and also lives as a
podcast right after.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Excellent and you can find it, of course, on the
iHeart app. We just type in True Crime Tonight. All right,
you got a kid, You're gonna have to deal with
all of this stuff. Unfortunately, it's a some degree a
report that came out from documents from the Meta company Meta,
(26:49):
of course, the owner of Facebook and Instagram, et cetera.
These documents, disclosed to Congress came from two current and
two former employees of the company that says that Meta
suppressed research that might have given the true nature of
potential safety risk to kids and teens on the virtual
(27:11):
reality devices that Meta has put out, but also the apps. Now,
Meta has said for years they care about your kids.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Oh of course, they love them dearly.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Yeah, I bet they do.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
But they've also and they have of course vehetmame ly
denied that they suppressed any of this evidence. But of course,
just as an anecdote. One of the ones that they
one of the little factoids that was supposedly left out
of a report was a team of researchers goes to
visit a family in Germany to researchers from Meta, and
(27:46):
they're talking to a mom and her sons, and mom
says she didn't allow her sons to interact with strangers
on the virtual reality headsets from Meta, and her teenage
son pipes up and go, well, actually, I do see
a lot of strangers. I do interact with a lot
of strangers on there, And in fact, one of them
(28:09):
had sexually propositioned my ten year old little brother.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
That sounds about right.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
So they did not include that little anecdote in the reports.
Back to Meta and they're there sort of a self
inspection when it came to safety around kids.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Listen, it's not being regulated. And we're hearing that with
roeblocks for example. We covered that on our show recently
as well. And yeah, it's like the wild wild West,
and it's it says enough when the creators themselves are
not allowing their own children to be online or operating
from these apps as well.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Yeah, famously didn't Steve Jobs say he didn't want his
own kids to have an iPhone?
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Correct and z all of them? It seems like they
you know, the dangers are real, and now that the
genie is out of the bottle, I mean, look, screen
saved the day at least for me during COVID, Right,
I don't know what else would have happened. And obviously
everyone's online for school and you know, and the upside
would be, hopefully we are going to be raising the
(29:11):
most tech savvy generation of humans. But it's hard to
put that back in the bottle. And the kids are
smarter than us, so there is no real parental control
that you know, a smart young adult probably can't get
around at this point.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah, and I wonder if that's a generational thing. I
wonder if if our parents looked at us and thought
those kids are going to be smarter than us, maybe
because I know there were plenty of times my parents
did not think that about me, No.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Because we were all watching TV all the time.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
As in that case, yes, as opposed to going out
and doing the things that now have become sort of
fashionable once again, like allowing your kids the free reign
to go play in the neighborhood when so come back
when the light street lights come on kind of thing,
and that that has become the newest way to raise kids,
even though that's the way kids were raised since street lights.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
M M, you know, right, I mean, so it's a
weird I don't know.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Generation is repeating itself that we all say the same things.
Perhaps that our parents said.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
It's true, but if they are in fact suppressing this information,
you know that to me seems criminal in its own way.
I make everything about a crime I recognize. But again
it just seems like that is not okay. And some
of that information we just need to have it real time,
And here we are, AI is upon us. The world
is changing so much real time. We just want to
(30:36):
be able to pace ourselves and kind of keep developing
with it and the more information we have, the better.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
I see it a little bit like kind of the
way we've we've started to view food again in that
social media and apps where you can communicate as quickly
as this have become sort of the ultra processed food
of relationships.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
So we're not the help.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
It will satisfy you to a degree, but then you
quickly want more, or you quickly it doesn't give you
the nutrition that you need, but it may give you
some statist momentary satisfaction. I can eat a bag of Dorito's,
trust me, and I will love every minute of it.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
But down the road it doesn't help me generally.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
That makes sense, know that all the Cheetos in the
world will not equal a good social interaction in person,
or you know, Hiken in the woods.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
And the same thing with as basic as it is,
you know, the greatest text conversation you miss so much, nuance,
you miss so much, you know, body language, nonverbal cues.
It just changes the way the conversation goes, and you'll
you may never really know what your mom meant when
she sent that emoji of the poop exactly.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
I think I could read between the lines on that one.
That one I think, totally, totally read between the lines.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
All right, all of our trending story is coming up,
and then we're gonna do a handful of segments. We're
gonna do a bunch of segments on this documentary called
Unknown Number on Netflix that taps into a little bit
of what we're just talking about when it comes to
child safety online and with technology. Stephanie Leidecker in for
Shannon today. We'll be right back right after this. You've
(32:19):
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