November 18, 2025 • 28 mins
Gary opens with a wild #SwampWatch: Congress inches toward releasing the Epstein files, Trump spars with reporters mid-flight on Air Force One, and a judge halts Texas redistricting in a move echoing California’s battles. Then we dive into the shooter who targeted President Trump, his bizarre online footprint, and the many warnings people missed.
Gary closes with the new Intelligencer piece arguing humanity may have peaked intellectually… and how the smartphone has turned into a “mobile Las Vegas” that’s actively making us dumber.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
A couple stories that were following, of course, funeral services
this hour at Toyota Arena in Ontario for Deputy Andrew
Nunez of San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department. He was the
one shot and killed last month. That incident ended when
the suspect in that case was running away on the
motorcycle and clipped a car and ended up falling over
(00:33):
flipping over his handlebars. The funeral itself for Deputy nunyas
not open to the public, but that is going on today.
Sports wise, Cowboys Be the Raiders thirty three to sixteen.
Last night, Monday Night Football Jazz are at Crypto dot
Com to take on the Lakers. Tonight Clippers lost one
to the seventy six ers. But it's eleven o'clock and
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some big stuff going on in Washington, DC.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Let's get into swamp watch. I'm a politician, which means
I'm a cheat and a liar. And when I'm not
kissing babies, I'm stealing that lollipops.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah, we got The real problem is that our leaders
are done.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
The other side never quits.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
So what I'm not going anywhere, So that now you
train the swap, I can imagine what can be and
be unburdened by what has been.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
You know, Americans have always been going at They're not stupid.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
A political plunder is what a politician actually tells the truth.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Whether people voted for you with not Swamp Watch, they're
all count ofalled.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
Well.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
This morning, Speaker Mike Johnson said he is going to
be one of those votes too, in favor of moving
this petition forward to have the dust Justice Department release
all of its Epstein files.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
I'm going to vote to move this forward. I think
it could be close to the unanimous vote because everybody here,
all the Republicans, want to go on record a show
you're for maximum transparency, but they also want to note
that we're demanding that this stuff get corrected before it
has ever moves through the process and is complete.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
The stuff that he wants corrected, by the way he's
talking about, he wants specific protections for people whose names
might be in those Jeffrey Epstein files that really had
nothing to do with the sex trafficking or any of
the nefarious things that Epstein did, but may have had
some business dealings with the guy tangentially connected to the
case in some way, but really not guilty of anything.
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He said he was concerned about a new potential list
of victims, people whose reputations would be smudged by this
and who really didn't do anything wrong at this point.
He just spoke a short time ago on the actual
House floor and said that the vote will probably be
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unanimous to release the Jeffrey Epstein files. It will be
within a few minutes that they begin to expect to
begin doing some of these votes.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
So that's what's going on in the House.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Earlier today, on the steps of the Capitol, a couple
of congress members Thomas Massey Rocanna were joined by Marjorie
Taylor Green out of Georgia, and several Epstein victims, calling
for the passage of this thing. This is the rift
that has grown between Marjorie Taylor Green and Donald Trump.
President Trump referred to her as a trader, saying that
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she's gone crazy recently, and this was one of the
most ardent supporters, no questions asked. Whatever he says goes
people in Donald Trump's camp, and now he's calling her
a trader.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
This was her response today.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
I was called a trader by a man that I
fought for five no actually six years for and I
gave him my loyalty for free. I won my first
selection without his endorsement, beating eight men in a primary.
And I've never owed him anything, but I fought for him,
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for the policies and for America first. And he called
me a trader for standing with these women and refusing
to take my name off the discharge petition. Let me
tell you what a trader is. A trader is an
American that serves foreign countries and themselves. A patriot is
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an American that serves the United States of America and
Americans like the women standing behind me.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
And apparently we don't care anymore about former Washington Post
writer Jamal Kashogji, who was killed basically on the orders
of Saudi Crown Prince Muhammed Ben Solomon, because Mohammed Ben
Solomon is back at the White House today. This huge
lavish state visit today from the Saudi Crown Prince pulled
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out all the stops, all the pomp and circumstance, all
the ceremony. President last night announced that the United States
was going to be selling f thirty fives to Saudi Arabia,
among other things. In the question answer period, while he
was sitting there with the Crown Prince, President Trump took
a question from from AB. ABC's Mary Bruce had asked
(05:03):
the Saudi Crown Prince about Jamal Koshoji. Later asked the
President about the Jeffrey Epstein files. Trump has gone after
her before. She is not the one that he called piggy.
And if you saw that whole thing. He was on
Air Force one and there was another I think it
was a Bloomberg reporter kept trying to interrupt and he
(05:26):
told her to shut up, Piggy. But this ABC correspondent
Mary Bruce again asked about the Epstein files, and he
was mad about this. He has called for news networks
for television networks to lose their broadcast license. This time
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his anger was directed at Mary Bruce for her questions
and the way that they were asked. He said, it
was a horrible question, it was insubordinate. That's just a
terrible question. And then he said, you're all psyched up.
Somebody psyched you over at ABC and they're going to
psych it. You're a terrible person and a terrible reporter.
He later accused ABC of being one of the perpetrators
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of a democratic hoax over Epstein, and he said, I
think the license should be taken away from ABC because
your news is so fake and it's so wrong. We
have a great commissioner, the chairman, who should look at that.
Of course, he's referring to Brendan Carr, the chair of
the FCC. There is one more thing out of DC
that is specific to what's going on in both Texas
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and California. A federal court today has blocked Texas from
using its newly redrawn congressional map in the upcoming midterms.
This was a decision that came from District Judge Jeffrey Brown.
Court ordered the state to instead use the district lines
that were adopted in twenty twenty one for the congressional elections.
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This is not over yet. Legally, this will be going on.
It was heard by a three judge panel. They divided
two to one in finding the voting Rights group to
challenge the map, likely to prove that the map was
an unconstitutional racial jerrymander.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Well, it's funny, that's exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
The argument that has been made against California's redistricting is
that it amounts to a racial jerrymander, which is against
the law. The decision is likely to be appealed. The
one in Texas specifically marks an early blow. They had
urged Texas lawmakers to engage in this mid decade redrawing
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in order to bolster Republican's chances of holding out to
the majority there in the House.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
When the midterms come around next year.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
So that is the beginning of what will be a
lengthy legal fight, not just for Texas, but because of
the similar redistricting plan that passed here in California. Up next,
there is a report that came out specifically about the
guy accused of shooting the president in Butler, Pennsylvania. Some
of these red flags that were brighter red and larger
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than anybody is giving them credit for. We should somebody
should have seen something about this guy. And if any
of these things exist in someone in your life, it's
time to start waving some flags. We'll talk about that
we come back.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on Demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
The Dow Jones Industrial average has been down, was down
about five hundred and forty points earlier today. Right now
it's still a negative territory, but it has recovered slightly,
so it's down about two seventy two. One of the
problems is the expectation that we may be pumping too
much money into AI a fourth straight session now that
(08:42):
the stocks have dropped in Nvidia. Some old economy companies
like home depot under some pressure now when it comes
to AI. There were some big valuations, overly hyped valuations,
a pile of debt to build data centers. So some
people are concerned that there is some sort of an
a eyebubble that maybe leaked lurking, leaking lurking, and therefore
(09:06):
they've been cautious, shall we say so? The now is
down three hundred points right now at forty six thousand,
two eighty seven. The name Thomas Crooks kind of came
and went. It was hot for a moment because obviously
he's the guy who tried to shoot President Trump and
Butler Pennsylvania. And the more we know about this guy,
(09:28):
there are all kinds of I guess you would say
red flags. Maybe not enough to suggest that he was
going to try to assassinate a president.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
But this guy was not well. Among other things.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Sources have shared a series of messages and Internet posts
that this guy put in put on the Internet that
would point to a severe struggle that this guy was
going through. Among other things, he would use the they
them pronouns. He would post threats of political violence. He
(10:05):
had some violent art on his secret social media accounts.
Of course, you remember the in Butler, Pennsylvania. The president
was hit in the ear. There was a firefighter who
was killed. There were two political or Trump supporters I
guess that were in the audience that were wounded, critically
(10:26):
wounded as a matter of fact. But this guy also
had this weird thing called a muscle mommy fetish.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
You gat new one for me.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
But he was repeatedly searching for videos about female bodybuilders
and muscular women. He also had a couple of possible
accounts on and a site called deviant art that hosts
fan art.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
It's notorious for furries that go on there.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
People identify as anthro promorphized animal characters and or are
attracted to them.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
I have one in high school. Elmer.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
I'm only like forty five percent surprised by that. One
of the Deviant art accounts link to Crooks shared just
one post and it was of a computer generated image.
But it's one towering, muscular female bodybuilder over what looks
like a tiny young man standing there in his underwear.
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This guy would also describe in detail very violent fantasies
I guess you'd call them, and describe in detail how
he would use an assault rifle against a crowd of
political opponents, and then would quote Maose Dong and say
the only true political power comes from the barrel of
a gun. He had made violent threats against democratic members
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of the squad, and in twenty twenty, amid the COVID pandemic,
he flipped somehow politically he flipped. He's a big Trump supporter.
He was an anti immigrant for a long time. He
talked about how anybody critical of the president should lose
their life, and then something happened. He said, I'm pretty
(12:13):
sure people are just racist and Trump is one of them.
There does not need to be a deep state for that.
This was a February twenty twenty according to sources. Now
that would have been right at the beginning of COVID
and before everything was locked down, but he also had
an obsession with COVID, the coronavirus specifically, and disillusionment with
the administration because he said that there was resistance to
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enacting social distancing mandates and bans on public gatherings. And
again I've claimed before many times that we all kind
of fell for at least a part of what was
being sold to us about COVID, but that when you
look back at it, if you're still wearing a mask
five years later, there's something wrong with you. There is
(12:56):
a chance that you are suffering from a mental impairment
of some kind. This guy seems to be on that train.
He said that Trump was too slow. Everything he's doing
now should have been done, and that there wasn't any
reasonable defense for Trump. This would have been in April
of twenty twenty, so again at that time everything had
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been locked down, And at about that time is when
he started posting the violent art. One post, called how
He Lost His Eye showed a figure in black executing
another one in front of a blue and a pink backdrop,
matching the colors of the trans Pride flag. He also
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showed videos himself with firearms, discussed how he would use
terrorism style tactics to fight the government. All of this
leading to yet another call for a better investigation into
what made this guy make the decision to take a
shot at a presidential at that time, former president and
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presidential candidate.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
So this guy just again, these.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Are not all necessarily pointing to the idea that he
would somehow attempt to take the life of a former president.
But all of these things should be looked at in
the context of, Hey, you got anybody in your life
like that, maybe you want to.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Keep an eye on them. All right.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
There was an article from New York Magazine that suggested
that in the twentieth century, sociologists, culturalists, doctors they were
concerned We're all going to get dumber because technology was
going to be so great. That's not what happened. We
actually got smarter. But that's about to plateau. We'll talk
(14:47):
about that when we come back.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Looks like the House does have the votes for the
epstein Fi release. They're just tallying the last looks like
thirty six or so votes to come in. They've already
got at this point. Every one of them. Every person
who has voted in the House has voted in favor
to suspend the rules and to pass this bill, which
would again go to the Senate eventually to force the
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Department of Justice to release the Epstein files. This is
a very different outlook than what we saw just a
couple of weeks ago, when there were some Republicans who
said that they wouldn't Right now, let's see the tally
on c SPAN says they're two hundred and one Republicans
in favor and only one no, and then Democrats one
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hundred and ninety seven yes votes and no knows. So again,
there's just a few more minutes before these votes finally
come in, and we'll give you the final tally coming up.
Experts were pretty sure that life in the twentieth century
was going to make us pretty dumb. Never before had
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culture and technology reshaped our daily lives as quickly as
the twentieth century. Every new invention brings with it a
panic over what's going to happen right. Light bulbs were invented,
and we thought people would never go to sleep again.
Radio was invented, and people thought nobody would read anymore.
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Comic books came out, Well, why read a book without pictures? Movies, TV,
rock and roll, video games, calculators, pornography, twenty four hours
a day, dial up internet, all of these things that
experts suggested would have and by experts, I probably mean
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everybody's grandparents expected that those things were going to make
us dumber. But test results will tell you a different study,
a different story about that. In the thirties, in the
United States and across much of the Western world, IQ
numbers actually went up and again the thirties. Think of
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the eight difference between the eighteen nineties and the nineteen thirties,
and the kinds of inventions and cultural phenomenon and technologies
that were that came about in just that thirty or
forty year span, and how they changed the way we
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live life today. IQ stores actually scores, I should say,
actually started creeping up, and they went up and up,
and they rose on average about three points per decade,
and they accumulated such that even an unexceptionable moron from
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around the turn of the millennium would look like a
genius compared to somebody one hundred years ago. This combination,
this phenomenon was known as the Flynn effect. This is
a named after a sociologist guy named James Flynn, who
noticed this very slow creep up when it came to
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IQ scores. He did the study back in the nineteen eighties,
and because these things happened over just two or three generations,
he took note of it. He ruled out genetics. It's
not that we just made smarter babies, because that would
take a lot longer. That would take thousands of years
for that evolutionary level change for us to go through.
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The humans of nineteen hundred and two thousands, you know,
separated by just one hundred years. We're running on basically
the same operating system. The meat and meat and juice
bags that exist right now around our brains are kind
of the same meat and juice bags that we had
one hundred and twenty years ago. So this James Lynn
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figured out there had to be some sort of an
AH software update. Those are his words uploaded with the
mind by sort of what was just going on in
modern life.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Part of this was.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
The way that we did things differently over starting in
the early nineteen hundreds up to the year two thousand.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Better education was one thing.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Obviously, we were able to train students to deal with hypotheticals,
to answer the questions, to problem solve, et cetera. The
other thing is office jobs came about, not just industrial
jobs that involved you manipulating a thing right, assembling something,
building something, making something. There were office jobs where you
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had to grapple with an idea more than a physical thing,
that exercised the muscle that is your brain.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Then you had mass media.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Radio and television were invented and allowed us to see
other places around the world, sometimes in real time. If
nothing else. We got to see different cultures, different politicians,
different places on the earth, what they look like, and
how different they were from us, which must have been mind.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Blowing for a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
People got better at classifying thinking beyond their own daily experience,
which are some of the basic skills that IQ tests
are designed to measure. So that would explain how in
the world those one hundred years of development gave us,
you know, three point bumps in IQ scores over the
course of a century. And this he illustrated this. James Flynn,
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again as sociologist, illustrated it this way. He said it
was a shift from liberal sorry literalism toward abstraction with
the example that a century ago, if you ask someone
what dogs and rabbits have in common, they might answer
dogs hunt rabbits. One hundred years ago, today they might
say something like, well, but they have in common dogs
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and rabbits are both mammals, among other things. So then
developed this theory maybe all of that stuff, rock and roll, television, radio, lighting, calculate,
all of these things wasn't actually rotting our minds, but
was making them better. Yes, you can say better nutrition
helped out. He also likes to point out the reduced
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exposure to lead, which was making everybody dumber. Then all
of those things have helped. But guess what, it's over.
Whatever gains we appear to have made over the course
of the twentieth century have either plateaued or are beginning
to decrease. In the twenty first century, we may, for
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the first time in a very long time, begetting dumber.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
I'll explain that when we come back.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
The House has decided to release all of the Epstein files,
at least they've voted to do so. Now that Bill
goes on to the goes on to the Senate for passage.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
On this vote, the years are four hundred and twenty seven,
the nays are one two thirds, being in the affirmative,
the rules are suspended, the bill is passed, and without objection,
the motion to reconsider is laid.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
On the table.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
The one no vote was apparently Republican Congressman Clay Higgins
from Louisiana.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
That's all we know.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
He hasn't given a whole lot of Isn't that anything
yet at least as to why he didn't, But we'll
talk about it.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
We get into our trending stories. Also, I was.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Telling you about this theory by the late James Flynn,
a social scientist who noticed that IQ test scores went
up about three points on average, three points every decade
in the twentieth century, despite the concern that a lot
of the technological changes the cultural changes in the twentieth
century was going to make a work going to make
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us dumber, and in fact they made us smarter. Then
something else happened. Just after we flipped the calendar to
two thousand. Elizabeth Dworak, and now an assistant professor in
Northwestern chose the topic of analyzing IQ tests in the
twentieth century twenty first century, I should say, to see
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if they continued that same Flinn effect. They called it
three percent each decade, But she says she ran the
numbers and felt like I was in Don't Look Up,
the movie in which an astronomy student discovers a comet
coming towards Earth. She said, I spent weeks going back
through the code, thinking I had done this wrong. But
she showed declines in the three important testing categories matrix reasoning,
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think like an abstract, visual puzzle, letters and number series,
which would be pattern recognition and verbal reasoning language based
problem solving. Said the first two losses were the deepest.
They call that fluid intelligence. They powered it for us
to adapt to new situations and think on the fly.
And the drop showed across age, gender, and education level,
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but were most dramatic among who among eighteen to twenty
two year olds. She knows what these suggest, she says
as a science as she's required to add a few caveats. First,
we didn't drop in every category. We actually went up
when it came to spatial reasoning, which ironically is very
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crucial when you're playing something like Fortnite. And second, she
said these data points that she got came from unprotected
all voluntary online IQ tests, which are not necessarily reliable,
but she did have four hundred thousand of them. Now,
there are a couple of things that they can point
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to that suggest that we know why we're getting dumber,
and a lot of us, over the course of the
last eighteen years since the invention of the iPhone, have
had them in our pockets. This giant, I shouldn't say giant.
It's a little but powerful black hole that sucks our
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intelligence away. The way this is written up in New
York Magazine, the author says, for most of us, our
phone has become both an external hard drive storing everything
we used to remember and a portable Las Vegas, ensuring
we never have to suffer a boring minute. Now, obviously,
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social media, Elmer said, social media is probably plays a
lot of this. Well, yes, and this little thing in
our pocket is a gateway to social media. Not long ago,
if you were the town idiot, the only way that
your thoughts would get out as you stood on the
street corner and yelled, that's the only way. Now the
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town idiot has seven hundred and fifty thousand followers on
Twitter and two and a half million on Instagram. At worst,
you used to just embarrass yourself in front of your family,
and bad ideas had to go through an actual filter,
which was other human beings. Before they were, you know,
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broadcast to other people. They had a harder time scaling
and reproducing, so stupidity stayed local. Now, as you very
well know, it is everywhere and even those of us
with nothing useful to say can have our words broadcast
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
A couple stories that were following, of course, funeral services
this hour at Toyota Arena in Ontario for Deputy Andrew
Nunez of San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department. He was the
one shot and killed last month. That incident ended when
the suspect in that case was running away on the
motorcycle and clipped a car and ended up falling over
(00:33):
flipping over his handlebars. The funeral itself for Deputy nunyas
not open to the public, but that is going on today.
Sports wise, Cowboys Be the Raiders thirty three to sixteen.
Last night, Monday Night Football Jazz are at Crypto dot
Com to take on the Lakers. Tonight Clippers lost one
to the seventy six ers. But it's eleven o'clock and
(00:53):
some big stuff going on in Washington, DC.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Let's get into swamp watch. I'm a politician, which means
I'm a cheat and a liar. And when I'm not
kissing babies, I'm stealing that lollipops.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah, we got The real problem is that our leaders
are done.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
The other side never quits.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
So what I'm not going anywhere, So that now you
train the swap, I can imagine what can be and
be unburdened by what has been.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
You know, Americans have always been going at They're not stupid.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
A political plunder is what a politician actually tells the truth.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Whether people voted for you with not Swamp Watch, they're
all count ofalled.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
Well.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
This morning, Speaker Mike Johnson said he is going to
be one of those votes too, in favor of moving
this petition forward to have the dust Justice Department release
all of its Epstein files.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
I'm going to vote to move this forward. I think
it could be close to the unanimous vote because everybody here,
all the Republicans, want to go on record a show
you're for maximum transparency, but they also want to note
that we're demanding that this stuff get corrected before it
has ever moves through the process and is complete.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
The stuff that he wants corrected, by the way he's
talking about, he wants specific protections for people whose names
might be in those Jeffrey Epstein files that really had
nothing to do with the sex trafficking or any of
the nefarious things that Epstein did, but may have had
some business dealings with the guy tangentially connected to the
case in some way, but really not guilty of anything.
(02:17):
He said he was concerned about a new potential list
of victims, people whose reputations would be smudged by this
and who really didn't do anything wrong at this point.
He just spoke a short time ago on the actual
House floor and said that the vote will probably be
(02:39):
unanimous to release the Jeffrey Epstein files. It will be
within a few minutes that they begin to expect to
begin doing some of these votes.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
So that's what's going on in the House.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Earlier today, on the steps of the Capitol, a couple
of congress members Thomas Massey Rocanna were joined by Marjorie
Taylor Green out of Georgia, and several Epstein victims, calling
for the passage of this thing. This is the rift
that has grown between Marjorie Taylor Green and Donald Trump.
President Trump referred to her as a trader, saying that
(03:13):
she's gone crazy recently, and this was one of the
most ardent supporters, no questions asked. Whatever he says goes
people in Donald Trump's camp, and now he's calling her
a trader.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
This was her response today.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
I was called a trader by a man that I
fought for five no actually six years for and I
gave him my loyalty for free. I won my first
selection without his endorsement, beating eight men in a primary.
And I've never owed him anything, but I fought for him,
(03:49):
for the policies and for America first. And he called
me a trader for standing with these women and refusing
to take my name off the discharge petition. Let me
tell you what a trader is. A trader is an
American that serves foreign countries and themselves. A patriot is
(04:12):
an American that serves the United States of America and
Americans like the women standing behind me.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
And apparently we don't care anymore about former Washington Post
writer Jamal Kashogji, who was killed basically on the orders
of Saudi Crown Prince Muhammed Ben Solomon, because Mohammed Ben
Solomon is back at the White House today. This huge
lavish state visit today from the Saudi Crown Prince pulled
(04:41):
out all the stops, all the pomp and circumstance, all
the ceremony. President last night announced that the United States
was going to be selling f thirty fives to Saudi Arabia,
among other things. In the question answer period, while he
was sitting there with the Crown Prince, President Trump took
a question from from AB. ABC's Mary Bruce had asked
(05:03):
the Saudi Crown Prince about Jamal Koshoji. Later asked the
President about the Jeffrey Epstein files. Trump has gone after
her before. She is not the one that he called piggy.
And if you saw that whole thing. He was on
Air Force one and there was another I think it
was a Bloomberg reporter kept trying to interrupt and he
(05:26):
told her to shut up, Piggy. But this ABC correspondent
Mary Bruce again asked about the Epstein files, and he
was mad about this. He has called for news networks
for television networks to lose their broadcast license. This time
(05:46):
his anger was directed at Mary Bruce for her questions
and the way that they were asked. He said, it
was a horrible question, it was insubordinate. That's just a
terrible question. And then he said, you're all psyched up.
Somebody psyched you over at ABC and they're going to
psych it. You're a terrible person and a terrible reporter.
He later accused ABC of being one of the perpetrators
(06:08):
of a democratic hoax over Epstein, and he said, I
think the license should be taken away from ABC because
your news is so fake and it's so wrong. We
have a great commissioner, the chairman, who should look at that.
Of course, he's referring to Brendan Carr, the chair of
the FCC. There is one more thing out of DC
that is specific to what's going on in both Texas
(06:31):
and California. A federal court today has blocked Texas from
using its newly redrawn congressional map in the upcoming midterms.
This was a decision that came from District Judge Jeffrey Brown.
Court ordered the state to instead use the district lines
that were adopted in twenty twenty one for the congressional elections.
(06:51):
This is not over yet. Legally, this will be going on.
It was heard by a three judge panel. They divided
two to one in finding the voting Rights group to
challenge the map, likely to prove that the map was
an unconstitutional racial jerrymander.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Well, it's funny, that's exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
The argument that has been made against California's redistricting is
that it amounts to a racial jerrymander, which is against
the law. The decision is likely to be appealed. The
one in Texas specifically marks an early blow. They had
urged Texas lawmakers to engage in this mid decade redrawing
(07:29):
in order to bolster Republican's chances of holding out to
the majority there in the House.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
When the midterms come around next year.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
So that is the beginning of what will be a
lengthy legal fight, not just for Texas, but because of
the similar redistricting plan that passed here in California. Up next,
there is a report that came out specifically about the
guy accused of shooting the president in Butler, Pennsylvania. Some
of these red flags that were brighter red and larger
(08:00):
than anybody is giving them credit for. We should somebody
should have seen something about this guy. And if any
of these things exist in someone in your life, it's
time to start waving some flags. We'll talk about that
we come back.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on Demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
The Dow Jones Industrial average has been down, was down
about five hundred and forty points earlier today. Right now
it's still a negative territory, but it has recovered slightly,
so it's down about two seventy two. One of the
problems is the expectation that we may be pumping too
much money into AI a fourth straight session now that
(08:42):
the stocks have dropped in Nvidia. Some old economy companies
like home depot under some pressure now when it comes
to AI. There were some big valuations, overly hyped valuations,
a pile of debt to build data centers. So some
people are concerned that there is some sort of an
a eyebubble that maybe leaked lurking, leaking lurking, and therefore
(09:06):
they've been cautious, shall we say so? The now is
down three hundred points right now at forty six thousand,
two eighty seven. The name Thomas Crooks kind of came
and went. It was hot for a moment because obviously
he's the guy who tried to shoot President Trump and
Butler Pennsylvania. And the more we know about this guy,
(09:28):
there are all kinds of I guess you would say
red flags. Maybe not enough to suggest that he was
going to try to assassinate a president.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
But this guy was not well. Among other things.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Sources have shared a series of messages and Internet posts
that this guy put in put on the Internet that
would point to a severe struggle that this guy was
going through. Among other things, he would use the they
them pronouns. He would post threats of political violence. He
(10:05):
had some violent art on his secret social media accounts.
Of course, you remember the in Butler, Pennsylvania. The president
was hit in the ear. There was a firefighter who
was killed. There were two political or Trump supporters I
guess that were in the audience that were wounded, critically
(10:26):
wounded as a matter of fact. But this guy also
had this weird thing called a muscle mommy fetish.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
You gat new one for me.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
But he was repeatedly searching for videos about female bodybuilders
and muscular women. He also had a couple of possible
accounts on and a site called deviant art that hosts
fan art.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
It's notorious for furries that go on there.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
People identify as anthro promorphized animal characters and or are
attracted to them.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
I have one in high school. Elmer.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
I'm only like forty five percent surprised by that. One
of the Deviant art accounts link to Crooks shared just
one post and it was of a computer generated image.
But it's one towering, muscular female bodybuilder over what looks
like a tiny young man standing there in his underwear.
(11:28):
This guy would also describe in detail very violent fantasies
I guess you'd call them, and describe in detail how
he would use an assault rifle against a crowd of
political opponents, and then would quote Maose Dong and say
the only true political power comes from the barrel of
a gun. He had made violent threats against democratic members
(11:49):
of the squad, and in twenty twenty, amid the COVID pandemic,
he flipped somehow politically he flipped. He's a big Trump supporter.
He was an anti immigrant for a long time. He
talked about how anybody critical of the president should lose
their life, and then something happened. He said, I'm pretty
(12:13):
sure people are just racist and Trump is one of them.
There does not need to be a deep state for that.
This was a February twenty twenty according to sources. Now
that would have been right at the beginning of COVID
and before everything was locked down, but he also had
an obsession with COVID, the coronavirus specifically, and disillusionment with
the administration because he said that there was resistance to
(12:36):
enacting social distancing mandates and bans on public gatherings. And
again I've claimed before many times that we all kind
of fell for at least a part of what was
being sold to us about COVID, but that when you
look back at it, if you're still wearing a mask
five years later, there's something wrong with you. There is
(12:56):
a chance that you are suffering from a mental impairment
of some kind. This guy seems to be on that train.
He said that Trump was too slow. Everything he's doing
now should have been done, and that there wasn't any
reasonable defense for Trump. This would have been in April
of twenty twenty, so again at that time everything had
(13:16):
been locked down, And at about that time is when
he started posting the violent art. One post, called how
He Lost His Eye showed a figure in black executing
another one in front of a blue and a pink backdrop,
matching the colors of the trans Pride flag. He also
(13:37):
showed videos himself with firearms, discussed how he would use
terrorism style tactics to fight the government. All of this
leading to yet another call for a better investigation into
what made this guy make the decision to take a
shot at a presidential at that time, former president and
(13:59):
presidential candidate.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
So this guy just again, these.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Are not all necessarily pointing to the idea that he
would somehow attempt to take the life of a former president.
But all of these things should be looked at in
the context of, Hey, you got anybody in your life
like that, maybe you want to.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Keep an eye on them. All right.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
There was an article from New York Magazine that suggested
that in the twentieth century, sociologists, culturalists, doctors they were
concerned We're all going to get dumber because technology was
going to be so great. That's not what happened. We
actually got smarter. But that's about to plateau. We'll talk
(14:47):
about that when we come back.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Looks like the House does have the votes for the
epstein Fi release. They're just tallying the last looks like
thirty six or so votes to come in. They've already
got at this point. Every one of them. Every person
who has voted in the House has voted in favor
to suspend the rules and to pass this bill, which
would again go to the Senate eventually to force the
(15:19):
Department of Justice to release the Epstein files. This is
a very different outlook than what we saw just a
couple of weeks ago, when there were some Republicans who
said that they wouldn't Right now, let's see the tally
on c SPAN says they're two hundred and one Republicans
in favor and only one no, and then Democrats one
(15:40):
hundred and ninety seven yes votes and no knows. So again,
there's just a few more minutes before these votes finally
come in, and we'll give you the final tally coming up.
Experts were pretty sure that life in the twentieth century
was going to make us pretty dumb. Never before had
(16:03):
culture and technology reshaped our daily lives as quickly as
the twentieth century. Every new invention brings with it a
panic over what's going to happen right. Light bulbs were invented,
and we thought people would never go to sleep again.
Radio was invented, and people thought nobody would read anymore.
(16:28):
Comic books came out, Well, why read a book without pictures? Movies, TV,
rock and roll, video games, calculators, pornography, twenty four hours
a day, dial up internet, all of these things that
experts suggested would have and by experts, I probably mean
(16:48):
everybody's grandparents expected that those things were going to make
us dumber. But test results will tell you a different study,
a different story about that. In the thirties, in the
United States and across much of the Western world, IQ
numbers actually went up and again the thirties. Think of
(17:12):
the eight difference between the eighteen nineties and the nineteen thirties,
and the kinds of inventions and cultural phenomenon and technologies
that were that came about in just that thirty or
forty year span, and how they changed the way we
(17:32):
live life today. IQ stores actually scores, I should say,
actually started creeping up, and they went up and up,
and they rose on average about three points per decade,
and they accumulated such that even an unexceptionable moron from
(17:53):
around the turn of the millennium would look like a
genius compared to somebody one hundred years ago. This combination,
this phenomenon was known as the Flynn effect. This is
a named after a sociologist guy named James Flynn, who
noticed this very slow creep up when it came to
(18:14):
IQ scores. He did the study back in the nineteen eighties,
and because these things happened over just two or three generations,
he took note of it. He ruled out genetics. It's
not that we just made smarter babies, because that would
take a lot longer. That would take thousands of years
for that evolutionary level change for us to go through.
(18:37):
The humans of nineteen hundred and two thousands, you know,
separated by just one hundred years. We're running on basically
the same operating system. The meat and meat and juice
bags that exist right now around our brains are kind
of the same meat and juice bags that we had
one hundred and twenty years ago. So this James Lynn
(19:01):
figured out there had to be some sort of an
AH software update. Those are his words uploaded with the
mind by sort of what was just going on in
modern life.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Part of this was.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
The way that we did things differently over starting in
the early nineteen hundreds up to the year two thousand.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Better education was one thing.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Obviously, we were able to train students to deal with hypotheticals,
to answer the questions, to problem solve, et cetera. The
other thing is office jobs came about, not just industrial
jobs that involved you manipulating a thing right, assembling something,
building something, making something. There were office jobs where you
(19:51):
had to grapple with an idea more than a physical thing,
that exercised the muscle that is your brain.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Then you had mass media.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Radio and television were invented and allowed us to see
other places around the world, sometimes in real time. If
nothing else. We got to see different cultures, different politicians,
different places on the earth, what they look like, and
how different they were from us, which must have been mind.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Blowing for a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
People got better at classifying thinking beyond their own daily experience,
which are some of the basic skills that IQ tests
are designed to measure. So that would explain how in
the world those one hundred years of development gave us,
you know, three point bumps in IQ scores over the
course of a century. And this he illustrated this. James Flynn,
(20:47):
again as sociologist, illustrated it this way. He said it
was a shift from liberal sorry literalism toward abstraction with
the example that a century ago, if you ask someone
what dogs and rabbits have in common, they might answer
dogs hunt rabbits. One hundred years ago, today they might
say something like, well, but they have in common dogs
(21:10):
and rabbits are both mammals, among other things. So then
developed this theory maybe all of that stuff, rock and roll, television, radio, lighting, calculate,
all of these things wasn't actually rotting our minds, but
was making them better. Yes, you can say better nutrition
helped out. He also likes to point out the reduced
(21:34):
exposure to lead, which was making everybody dumber. Then all
of those things have helped. But guess what, it's over.
Whatever gains we appear to have made over the course
of the twentieth century have either plateaued or are beginning
to decrease. In the twenty first century, we may, for
(21:56):
the first time in a very long time, begetting dumber.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
I'll explain that when we come back.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
The House has decided to release all of the Epstein files,
at least they've voted to do so. Now that Bill
goes on to the goes on to the Senate for passage.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
On this vote, the years are four hundred and twenty seven,
the nays are one two thirds, being in the affirmative,
the rules are suspended, the bill is passed, and without objection,
the motion to reconsider is laid.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
On the table.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
The one no vote was apparently Republican Congressman Clay Higgins
from Louisiana.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
That's all we know.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
He hasn't given a whole lot of Isn't that anything
yet at least as to why he didn't, But we'll
talk about it.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
We get into our trending stories. Also, I was.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Telling you about this theory by the late James Flynn,
a social scientist who noticed that IQ test scores went
up about three points on average, three points every decade
in the twentieth century, despite the concern that a lot
of the technological changes the cultural changes in the twentieth
century was going to make a work going to make
(23:16):
us dumber, and in fact they made us smarter. Then
something else happened. Just after we flipped the calendar to
two thousand. Elizabeth Dworak, and now an assistant professor in
Northwestern chose the topic of analyzing IQ tests in the
twentieth century twenty first century, I should say, to see
(23:39):
if they continued that same Flinn effect. They called it
three percent each decade, But she says she ran the
numbers and felt like I was in Don't Look Up,
the movie in which an astronomy student discovers a comet
coming towards Earth. She said, I spent weeks going back
through the code, thinking I had done this wrong. But
she showed declines in the three important testing categories matrix reasoning,
(24:02):
think like an abstract, visual puzzle, letters and number series,
which would be pattern recognition and verbal reasoning language based
problem solving. Said the first two losses were the deepest.
They call that fluid intelligence. They powered it for us
to adapt to new situations and think on the fly.
And the drop showed across age, gender, and education level,
(24:23):
but were most dramatic among who among eighteen to twenty
two year olds. She knows what these suggest, she says
as a science as she's required to add a few caveats. First,
we didn't drop in every category. We actually went up
when it came to spatial reasoning, which ironically is very
(24:46):
crucial when you're playing something like Fortnite. And second, she
said these data points that she got came from unprotected
all voluntary online IQ tests, which are not necessarily reliable,
but she did have four hundred thousand of them. Now,
there are a couple of things that they can point
(25:07):
to that suggest that we know why we're getting dumber,
and a lot of us, over the course of the
last eighteen years since the invention of the iPhone, have
had them in our pockets. This giant, I shouldn't say giant.
It's a little but powerful black hole that sucks our
(25:30):
intelligence away. The way this is written up in New
York Magazine, the author says, for most of us, our
phone has become both an external hard drive storing everything
we used to remember and a portable Las Vegas, ensuring
we never have to suffer a boring minute. Now, obviously,
(25:54):
social media, Elmer said, social media is probably plays a
lot of this. Well, yes, and this little thing in
our pocket is a gateway to social media. Not long ago,
if you were the town idiot, the only way that
your thoughts would get out as you stood on the
street corner and yelled, that's the only way. Now the
(26:19):
town idiot has seven hundred and fifty thousand followers on
Twitter and two and a half million on Instagram. At worst,
you used to just embarrass yourself in front of your family,
and bad ideas had to go through an actual filter,
which was other human beings. Before they were, you know,
(26:42):
broadcast to other people. They had a harder time scaling
and reproducing, so stupidity stayed local. Now, as you very
well know, it is everywhere and even those of us
with nothing useful to say can have our words broadcast
(27:05):
around the world, and that's not safe. Reminder that our
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