(11/16) HOTL Hour 1

Handel on the Law, Marginal Legal Advice. 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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and you know the lines are not coming in at
a fast paced so they'll speed up. Eight hundred five
two zero one five three four. This is handle on
the law, marginal legal advice where I tell you have
absolutely no case and I love telling you. Oh where

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is this? And I'm going to talk about it during
the week. Oh, I have to share this with you,
and maybe I'll do the monologue that I was going
to do. I just was recently served in small claims
court and I'm looking at the document right now, and
I was upstairs in the lobby the radio station where
I work in Los Angeles KFI that I broadcast out.

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If it's my home station, I've been there for thirty years.
So I go to the I'm walking out through the
reception area and a receptionist says, Bill, someone dropped this off.
And I'm looking at it, and it is a lawsuit
against me that was filed in small claims court. And

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I'm looking at this thing. I'm going, wow, who is
suing me? First of all, the service was no good.
You can't just drop off a lawsuit. It has to
be personally served, so you know, someone doesn't know what
the hell they're doing. You can't do it at at
the reception desk or give it to somebody. You have
to hand it to me. But so anyway, I'm starting

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to look at it, and I'm looking at the plaintiff's name,
never heard of. The plaintiff lives in one of the
suburbs of Los Angeles, and I am the defendant name
Bill Handle. By the way, it looks like it was
written in crayon, and then the address of the radio
station in burbank, and then the plaintiff claims the defendant ohs,

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and then the amount of money and it's zero point
zero zero. I'm being sued for no money. And here
it is, why does the defendant oh, the plaintiff money
or in this case no money. Defendant does not. I
seek a court order compelling defendant to admit on him

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hand on the law that the following is available in
small claims court. One twelve five hundred dollars. I think
I said ten thousand dollars jurisdictional limit in California, and
it is twelve thousand, five hundred dollars and two equitable relief.
And I've talked about that, and the court normally doesn't
give equitable relief, not in small claims court. And a

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court order asking the judge to order me to stop
the legal malpractice by giving wrong information. We go to
page three. If no specific date, give the time period
and then here's the date. How did you calculate the
money owed to you?

Speaker 2 (04:43):
I have not.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
No money is owed? Okay. The next one, and this
is a small claims claim form. You must ask the
defendant in person, in writing, or by phone to pay
you before you sue. If your claim is for possession
of property, you must ask the defendant to give you
the property. Have you done this? No? He checks the box.

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I seek no money, okay? And then where you filing this?
At the courthouse, or you're suing a public entity, no,
suing an individual. And then he signs it, and here
we go. I'm being sued for malpractice and the plaintiff
wants a court order that I admit that I have

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malpractice in the jurisdictional Amount of Small Claims Court in California.
And my answer to him is, you are suing me.
And by the way, he spent money on this. He
actually filed this lawsuit and then delivered it to my
radio station.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
And so.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Here is the problem with that lawsuit asking the court
to order me to admit that I malpractice. You ever
listen to the show? I admitted every single show. Why
sue me? I'm stipulating to this. Of course I malpractice.

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This is what the show is about. It's marginal legal advice.
You know what that means? Yeah, exactly. So am I
gonna show up? You know, maybe maybe go to court
and go your honor, I stipulate, go ahead and give
me a court order, and I will gladly do exactly

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what you say. Okay, Jimbo, let's start with you. Hello, Jimbo.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Jimbo.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yes it is.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
Yeah, I want to know it. Okay, if I shoot
a rector with a bow and arrow.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Not sure, why not? You know, raccoons are you know,
horrible animals, and they're vicious and they eat your dogs
and they'll attack you. Yeah, it's perfectly fine to shoot
the raccoon with a bow and arrow. Now, whether it's
legal or not, I have no idea, but I'm saying, yeah,
go ahead and shoot the raccoon with a bow and arrow.
I just want to be there when I see the

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raccoon get it with a bow. Are you a hunter,
by the way, do you do bow? Do you do
a bow and arrow hunting?

Speaker 3 (07:23):
No? No, I don't, but I know I'm not allowed
to shoot it withouy two.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Oh yo with a twenty two rifle. Of course, you
can shoot a raccoon with a twenty two rifle, you know.
I suggest you do. Whether it's legal or not, I
don't know, but I like seeing raccoons explode. It's great.
Sure do you have let me ask do you have
a problem with raccoons in your house?

Speaker 3 (07:45):
No? But in my backyard he killed my kiddy cat?

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, well yeah, I'd shoot him, Yeah
I would. That's a shame. Yeah, raccoons are vicious.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
You know.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
My dog just was attacked. My dog was just attacked
by a coyote last week and the dogs that have survived.
The dog is fine. If I had a shotgun, I
would have blown that coyote's head off, but unfortunately the
coyote had my dog in its mouth. Small dog, so
that would have been a little damage done to my pooch.

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But yeah, yeah, you kill the hell out of those animals.
Damn right. Hello, John, you're up. Welcome the show. I
love this. Hello John, Yes.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (08:34):
I can?

Speaker 4 (08:36):
Okay, great, I'll just get right into it. A little
bit embarrassing, but I think it's kind of a big
mess up. On the point, I had surgery rotator cuff
surgery on the thirtieth of October, and it came out
of the surgery. You know, you're all loosy, you don't
know what the hell is going on. You got your
arm in a sling. And I tell the nurse say, man,

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I gotta go, and she's like, well, we won't give
any details about when, what kind of a gender of
the personals about it?

Speaker 1 (09:07):
Okay, wait, wait, wait, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
But I just.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
Uh, just you know, kicks and giggles. Uh, male nurse,
female nurse, somewhere in between.

Speaker 4 (09:18):
A male nurse, male nurse.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Okay, and so, uh, you got to go you have
to pee or beyond.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
That, I gotta go.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
I gotta go pee, like you know, like I had
a cups of coups something like.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Okay, all right, all right, so you gotta pee? All right?

Speaker 4 (09:31):
Now what he puts the urinal under my gown. He's like,
all right, there it is go.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
I can go for it.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
And I'm like, yeah, it's sorry. It's still not happening.
And then he says, well, why don't there's a bathroom
over there. Why don't you go to the bathroom and
use the bathroom. So, you know, I bumble stumble like
a drunk man, oh the bathroom and.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Still got the arm.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
In this lane. It's still not happening. Nothing's happening. I
can go trying hard. You know, I'm suppose I didn't
blow something up, but I'm still trying. And I come
back and tell him the guy, you know, hey man,
I still can't go, and then he's like you're right here,
and then I go home. And then about four hours later,
when I'm like a cat on a hot roof, go

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back to r You had to put the catheter in.
And I don't think ever in my life I would
have looked at a cathero and thought to myself, oh
my god, I want that so bad.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
But that's okay.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
So, uh you know what, Now, let me ask you.
You try to if you had succeeded in peeing in
the bathroom. Of course, because your hands in his sling,
you're gonna miss and you were gonna make the bathroom
a god awful mess. Uh. So okay, so you can't pee. Uh,
And then finally and you're yea, and you can't pee
in a urinal you know those little plastic things they

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put you could you could understand, but you couldn't. I understand,
but you couldn't. Go Okay, I understand. So uh, now
you move into uh the emergency room. Why you go
in the emergency room, the nurse can put a catheter in.
I've had catheters in when I had surgery. You know,
I've had a couple of surgeries in the last five

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six years. Catheter until I got out of bed.

Speaker 4 (11:08):
They put me in a car, sent me home. I
went home. I was walking around the house.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
Did you have the Did you have your catheter with you?
Was it still in your body?

Speaker 5 (11:19):
No?

Speaker 4 (11:19):
No, no, no. They didn't put the catheter in until
I went back to the emergency room.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
Okay, I don't get the emergency room for a catheter.
I mean that one is beyond me. Okay, So you
go into the UH, into the o R to put
a catheter in?

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (11:31):
And and what happened when it's like ten o'clock to night.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
You don't just find the doctors. It's late.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
You don't need a doctor to put a catheter in.
Nurses do it?

Speaker 4 (11:42):
Okay, Well, probably a nurse did do it. But I'm
just telling you. The point of the story is is
they sent me home and I couldn't. I couldn't key
and then and then I had to go back to
the er. Okay, Okay, I couldn't have just put put
one in when I'm getting discharged. That's my point.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Because normally with catheter or they don't send you home
with a catheter, you know, walking down the hallway and
into a car with the catheter. But okay, what's your question, John?

Speaker 4 (12:09):
My question is did they did they mess up?

Speaker 3 (12:11):
You know what?

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Maybe? Maybe? But let me ask you something Okay, so
there they go. They send you home with a catheter,
which or they should have sent you home with the
cather I guess. Okay, it's money. Now, how much money
is that worth? What do you think because all you
could do is suit for money?

Speaker 4 (12:29):
I had to pay the emergency room bill. They should
a least take that off the bill.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Okay, I mean that's fair, that's fair. How much was
the emergency room bill?

Speaker 4 (12:38):
Who knows? At least two thousand dollars?

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Yeah, I know emergency rooms were dragged. Yeah, okay, you
know I'm not going to disagree with that. If you
had to go back because they did something wrong by
either putting or not putting in the catheter, they're going
to say, we did exactly what we're supposed to do.
And the problem is, you know who's going to pick
up the case for a two thousand dollars bill? Nobody?

(13:02):
Do you have insurance? Do you have medical? Hold on
a minute, do you have medical insurance?

Speaker 3 (13:07):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Okay? How much is the medical insurance paying towards your
er bill?

Speaker 4 (13:12):
Probably eight of them.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Okay, so now you have twenty percent out of two
thousand dollars bill, and you've got four hundred dollars left,
and you want the hospital to pick up the costs
or simply ignore the costs. Chances are you just ask
for it, but no small claims judge is going to
give you that because a small claim judge doesn't know medicine.

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So all someone has to go in and say, this
is what we do. Okay, do you want more than
the twenty percent?

Speaker 4 (13:49):
I want at least what they owe me, because then
I had to go to urgent Care to have.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
A remark, what the what do they owe? You had
to go to urgent care to do what?

Speaker 4 (13:59):
To have a remote?

Speaker 1 (14:00):
You said you went to the emergency room.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
You have it installed?

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Oh man, Okay, I just I don't get this. I
really don't. I mean, I know, I'd love to talk
to you some more, but I just don't understand any
of it. But that's okay, Stevie, Hi, Stevie, welcome. Oh
you know what, Stevie, let me put you on hold. Okay,
hell yeah, yeah, yeah, let me put you on hold.
Let me put you on hold. I'll pick you up
after the break because you have a pretty interesting question. Okay,

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Speaker 2 (15:59):
Law, Yes, sir, so yeah, I'm an arm chair lawyer
in Oregon. And and in Oregon it's very interesting. You
can you can do your thing. But in California, can
I just say, hell?

Speaker 1 (16:12):
What what? What does you can do your thing?

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Mean? Well, okay, that means that I can become a lawyer. Okay,
look for a firm. Okay, and because Oregon needs lawyers
right now, got it big time. But but I want
to practice in California, and I want to know what
the stipulations are in California.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Okay, Well, uh, we start with law school. Okay, that's
three years.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
And then you have the bar exam to take, which
is great fun having done that. Uh, and then you
start to practice. Now, there's a very interesting exception to
law school, and it literally it goes back to the
days of Abraham Lincoln. You can actually apprentice to a
lawyer and become licensed. But that is years to do

(17:04):
it is I've known one person to do that just
for the hell of it. It is a very difficult
process and so nobody does it. So it's masic.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Like you say, it's an apprentice. It's an apprentice. So
once you become an apprentice, yes, then do you qualify
to take the bar exam after you you No, I
don't think so.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
I think it's a I think it's an apprentice process.
But I'm only on one person. It's almost impossible to do.
You have to have you have to work for a
lawyer for years. There's a I think there's a board
you have to in front of it. It's almost impossible.
You have to go to law school and take the bar.
That's what you have to do.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
That's it, right, because let's say let's say I wanted
to just take the bar on the internet and can't
do it.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
You can't take the bar. First of all, you can't
take the bar on the internet. You have to take
it in person. That's for starters. They don't let you
take it on the internet.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
So what website would I go to?

Speaker 3 (17:53):
To?

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Kind of like, yeah, no, that's no.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
That's good.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
Let me give it to you, and that is I'll
never be a lawyer. Okay, that's your that's your website.
Why not Mary? Hello, Mary, welcome.

Speaker 7 (18:12):
Yes, was exiting on an off ramp waiting for the
light to turn green with other traffic. The light turn green,
I proceeded to make the left turn, and a car
came sailing through on the rag from the other direction.

Speaker 6 (18:28):
Oh okay, I hit her.

Speaker 7 (18:30):
Now the insurance company is saying I pulled the video
from the city, and the insurance company is saying because
they couldn't see the green light, that I was ninety
percent of fault.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Okay.

Speaker 7 (18:45):
Green light was facing the off ramp where the camera
and the camera was on the same poles.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Let me ask, okay, so can you see the green
light on the camera, on the photo or the video?
Yes or no?

Speaker 7 (18:56):
No?

Speaker 1 (18:57):
Okay, So you have no proof at this point that
in fact your light was green unless you have witnesses, right.

Speaker 7 (19:05):
Uh. The proof I have is that I have a
video showing all the traffic stop and then all the
traffic moving.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Okay, all right, So okay, okay, so if you okay,
so by deduction you can argue that look at the
way the traffic is flowing. The only way it can flow.
The way it shows is if there was a green light,
do I have that correct?

Speaker 7 (19:30):
Correct?

Speaker 1 (19:31):
Okay? Got it?

Speaker 7 (19:31):
And there is with the off ramp. There's all the
green light faces the off ramp.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
Okay, I understood, understood.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
What's your question? What's your question? Mary?

Speaker 1 (19:41):
What's your question?

Speaker 7 (19:42):
Yea, Okay? Who do I sue?

Speaker 1 (19:45):
The driver or the other driver of the car, the driver.

Speaker 7 (19:48):
Of the car insured or the owner of the insurance.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
You can do both, but you sue. You could pull
a license plate? Did you get the information? No?

Speaker 7 (19:56):
I got everything, all right?

Speaker 1 (20:00):
The owner of the car. You can see the driver
of the car. Usually it's the driver of the car
and old. Yeah, okay, so you're yeah, yeah, Well you're
gonna do that in the court, you're gotta go. I'm
eighty eight years old, and you're the fact that you're
eighty eight years old. It has significance only in two ways.

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One is, whatever court situation, you can have it expedited
because you're considered elderly and by the way, you sound
pretty sharp for eighty eight and you're still driving, which
is really kind of neat. Then the other issue about
being eighty eight years old is the assumption is that
you are blind, you can't drive, and you're basically demented,

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of which none of those things you sound because you
sound sharp as hell. You sound sharp as hell for
eighty eight. So how much damage to the car? Mary?

Speaker 7 (20:54):
Four dollars?

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Okay, there's a small it's a small claim suit. It's
a small claim suit. It's a small claim it against
the driver. That's where it is.

Speaker 7 (21:01):
Then the driver, note.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
The driver, Sure, why not? I'd see that, you know
what soume? Both what the hell the owner of the
car and the driver. And based on what you say,
if if I'm the judge and I'm looking at the
case as you describe it, and by the way, okay,
and let me I understand, I mean, you'd have to
bring the video because you can't just say yeah. And

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based on the fact that and you're arguing, let's deduce this,
your honor. Here is what's happening, A, B, C, D
and E. It's almost like it's almost like a geometry question.
If this happens, and this happens, then you have to
assume or you have to come up with the answer
of this. If A and then B, then it's going
to be C. So you got it. I would give

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it to you for a couple of reasons. One is
if that information is what you say and approves the case.
Number two, you're eighty eight, and man, I'm impressed the
hell out of you. I'm I'm super impressed. So it's
small claims court. Good for you. I don't usually get that.
I usually make fun of old people. Matter of fact,
making fun of old people. Let's do it again, Hi, Carolyn,

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welcome to handle on the law.

Speaker 5 (22:14):
Yes, Bill, can you hear me? Okay?

Speaker 1 (22:16):
I can? Now let me ask you how old you are? Carolyn?

Speaker 5 (22:20):
I eighty seven?

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Jeez, wow, boy, worry. Yeah, we're get in the jackpot today. Okay,
and you sound great, by the way, Carolyn, all right,
what can I do for you?

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (22:31):
My daughter was visiting over the weekend for my birthday
and she said, I think I should read the living
trust so I know what to do in case she died.
So she was going through it, and she knew this beforehand.
When I did the will of the trust in twenty
twenty one, I divided my assets to my assets between

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her and my four grandchildren.

Speaker 4 (22:54):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (22:54):
She had a fit and said, Mom, why would you
give them anything? What if they grow up, become drug
addicts or shoot somebody. And I said, whatever her name is,
I said, that money is for them. She said, but
what if I get a divorce. When I heard that
word divorce, my heart jumped for joy, so that I
can't stand. I can't stand her husband. He had different jobs. Right, whatever,

(23:18):
here's my question. She is the executor, and she wanted
to know, so I dropped dead. She comes here, she
owns the book. What does she do?

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Okay? First of all, based on what you say already,
she doesn't want to give the money to your grandkids.
And if she is the trustee, based on what you said,
get another trustee, Get another trustee. I'll tell you why,
because already she is a beneficiary as well as the grandkids.
Fifty to fifty I'm assuming, And she already has told

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you she doesn't want to give the money to the grandkids.
All right, And if she gets a divorce, by the way,
you can set it up where she gets nothing unless
she gets a divorce. I mean that you can do
anything you want with a trust and it's your money.
It's your money, Carolyn. She has no business telling you
what to do with your money. You can distribute it

(24:11):
any way you want my trust? Go ahead.

Speaker 5 (24:16):
I'm sorry, No, Let's go back to the original question.
Let's say everything was perfect between us.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Okay, she's the executor, she's a trustee. What to do?
It says it in the trust. It's specific in the trust.
That's the way a trust does. It describes in specificity.
It should what she does with the money. If it's
a property, does she sell the property? Does she transfer
the property? If it's money, if it's stocks or whatever,

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then there to be sold or distributed whatever the trust says,
that's what she has to do.

Speaker 5 (24:54):
Okay, But does she need to get a lawyer.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
To I would, yeah, I would. How much money have
you got in there?

Speaker 5 (25:00):
Well, the house is worth close to two million.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
And yes, yeah you should, Yeah you should get a lawyer.
You should, yeah, because there's enough money there, just the
house alone, just the house alone. I would get a lawyer. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
We can go on and on on, but yes, you
get a lawyer. And but but no, you get a lawyer. Uh, Daniel, Hi, Daniel, yes, yes, Hello.

(25:24):
What can I do for you? Daniel? What can I
do for you? Oh?

Speaker 6 (25:30):
My question is I've got a traffic ticket Illinois everyone,
And I'm wondering, can this affect me for getting a passport? No?

Speaker 1 (25:42):
No, no, they don't care. Not a traffic ticket. How
how old is the traffic ticket? Daniel years old? Oh yeah,
that yeah, that's yeah. You'll get arrested. They're going to
extradite you. But from California to Illinois for thirty five
year old traffic.

Speaker 6 (25:59):
Yeah for you if they okay, if I went.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Back, well, uh, I mean yeah, they can always arrest you,
you know, and throw you uh, you know, and put
handcuffs on you and then throw you in jail, you know,
pending a here in front of a judge for uh,
not paying a traffic ticket or showing up.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Daniel, are you gay by any chance?

Speaker 3 (26:26):
No?

Speaker 1 (26:27):
Yeah, well you will be after your stint there. No,
they're not going to throw you in jail, Daniel, They
are not. You are fine, go back to Illinois all
you want. You'll be just fine. Yeah. I mean if
Daniel's case is a little bit different because it was
what you say, thirty five years forty five, one hundred
years ago. Uh. If it's a few years ago, a

(26:49):
couple of years ago, when you fail to appear, then
there's a there's a bench warrant, and of course no
one goes after you, but uh, they'll run it every note.
When you ever stopped for a traffic violation, right the
cop pulls you over, can I see your driver's license?

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Please?

Speaker 1 (27:06):
Your registration? Then the cop takes your driver's license. I'll
be right back, goes back to his or her car
and spends a few minutes in the car and then
comes back. And if you have a warrant, you're in
handcuffs and off you go. And you know, it's not
the end of the world, but it's no fun. I mean,
I'm not going to throw you in jail for you know,
five months. And if you don't, you know, if you're clean,

(27:29):
and I'll hand you back the ticket. Either write you
or your license. Either write you a ticket, or if
you're lucky, just say you know, this is a warning,
get out of here. So uhbum thirty five years ago. No,
I don't think so. I don't think so. Bay Rud, Hello, Bayrud, Welcome.

Speaker 8 (27:51):
Good morning sir. Sure question is I have to explain?
I went to a small frame court for twelve hundred
for twelve thousand, five hundred each of only all the
judge was a substitute judge, commissioner and experienced. He accepted
the life from the defendant. The ladd didn't have a
license to do the lexicon and plembing, and I had

(28:12):
the cashier. I had the check that he cashed for
both of them, and he asked the defendant, are your license?
He said yes. He said, Okay, that's done. I would
like to know is there any power beyond the judge?

Speaker 5 (28:25):
Now?

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Now you're basically done? Unfortunately, I mean small claims court
is almost a summary judgment where judges get really weird. Uh.
You know, you can't appeal them. I mean you can
now not in those cases. Just didn't believe you and
didn't want to see the documentation. I mean, what the
judge should have done is he doesn't have a license,

(28:51):
and you know, and ask the judge, you know, he
should show his license. The judge says no, I just
believe him. There's not much you can do. Uh. And
unfortunately the commissioners, these guys are when you talk about commissioners,
are actually lawyers. For the most part, you could have
asked for I think I think you could say I
want to judge or used to be that way. So
you lost the case. Where are you from, by the way,

(29:13):
be rude.

Speaker 8 (29:15):
I've been listening to you for over twenty five years.
I'm getting my license for paradigal. I was born in Persepolice,
got PhD from Michigan State.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
Oh my god, Wow, got a piece. Where are you from?

Speaker 8 (29:29):
By the way, one more question? I was born in Perspolis?

Speaker 1 (29:32):
I oh, iran okay, I have to go really.

Speaker 8 (29:36):
Quickly, yes, sir, okay? I Can I go after his bond?

Speaker 5 (29:43):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (29:44):
No, No you can't. You lost a small claims court case.
I mean no, you can't. Unfortunately, if he's not licensed,
then where's the bond? Because licensed contractors put up bonds,
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