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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Eight hundred five two zero one five three four. Eight
hundred five two zero one five three four. Oh, here's
one about plumbing. Okay, that's not going to work. Let's
do a legal show. What do you think, guys? Eight
hundred five two zero one five three four. That's number
to call. Top of the hour, best time to call.
I'm here until eleven o'clock. Rich Demurow from eleven to two,
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and then this afternoon Neil Sevada is going to do
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He is now feeding. He's feeding five thousand meals a
day to the kids. I mean, it's unbelievable. We started
two hundred meals a day. All right, eight hundred five
to two zero, one, five, three four is the number
to call. Well, this is handle on the law, marginal
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legal advice where I tell you have absolutely no case
and the usual rules apply. If I tell you have
no case, it makes my day. That's a good thing.
If I tell you you do have a case, that's
a little depressing for me. If you have a phenomenal case,
I'm up on the roof about to take a swan
dive off the building. So yeah, obviously you know this show.
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I've been doing this enough years. Now, let me tell
you what's going on in Texas. Oh man. We have
two things happening now, well three things. A new administration
kicking in. We have a Supreme Court that is insanely
conservative now it has switched completely, and we have very
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conservative state legislatures where evangelicals and hugely religious folks read
Christians in this case have gotten more influence in schools
than you could ever imagine. So Texas is voting on
a new public school curriculum statewide then incorporates stories from
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the Bible into elementary school teachings. The Bible will be
part of the school curriculum and not the study of
the Bible as a separate Bible course. I did that
when I was in junior high school. And it was
not religious. It was literature and historical because it's the
most influential book that's ever been published in mankind's history.
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So it was no religious stuff. This is religious stuff.
This is the Bible, this is Jesus, this is Christianity
New Testament, I might add. And the material was written
by the Texas Education Agency, and this is a body
overseeing public school education and is headed by the Texas
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Commissioner of Education. By the way, this is for grades
K through five. And this is a tough one. Governor
Gray Gabbott, of course, has voiced his support. And it
is tough, where he said, it allows to better understand
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students the connection of history, art, community, literature okay, fair enough,
and religion on pivotal events like the signing of the
US Constitution, the civil rights movement, and the American Revolution.
I got news for you. The Bible had nothing to
do with the signing of the US Constitution. There is
no religion in the US Constitution. Purposely the civil rights movement.
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You know, a lot of Jews were marching in the
Civil Rights movement. I didn't hear a lot of Jesus
wants Jews to march with us. And the American Revolution.
You know, the founding fathers were deists. They believe in God,
but that's where it stopped. And by the way, the
Constitution has not a word about God. Now the Declaration
of Independence does, but it's a mention of God in
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terms of the rights of man in the United States,
the rights of citizens. So you know, we're in a
whole new world. Of course, they're going to go to
the courts. Supreme Court is probably going to hear that. However,
the Supreme Court is really in favor of religious freedom,
and they rather have religious freedom than the separation of
church and state. I think that's what's going to happen.
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That's my guests don't know if that's a fact, because
I'm not sitting on the court and I'm not a
court pundit. Matter of fact, I'm not a pundit of
much of anything. Federal judge this month blocked a Louisiana
law that would have required the Ten Commandments to be
displayed in every public schoolroom. In Oklahoma, teachers and parents
file the lawsuit to stop the state's top education official
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from enforcing the same thing about the Ten Commandments. Oh
Texas also has allowed public schools to hire uncertified religious
chaplains as counselors. We're not talking about counselors that have
some training in the schools that are certified teachers have
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their teachers licenses. No uncertified chaplains are going to be counselors.
I've said this many many times. We are in for
such a ride. Number eight hundred and five two zero one,
five three four. And before we take a break, I
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want to talk about a podcast that is pretty terrific.
If you live in chronic pain or you know someone
who does, so, let me suggest you listen to The
Pain Game podcasts. It's a show about living in living
with chronic pain and the trauma that can cause the pain,
and the trauma and well the pain and the miserable
feelings that make any sense.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
No.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
The podcast is have to pray that part I love,
and the guests have lived with, or have treated or
dealing with people living in pain. And I've known the host,
Lindsay Soprano for years and she suffers chronic pain twenty
four to seven and does it heroically and every episode
ends with a message of hope. And it shows that
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you can really give pain a purpose. I know that
sounds weird, but you can so listen on the iHeartRadio
app or wherever you listen to podcasts, The Pain Game Podcast,
The Pain Game Podcast. Jonathan here Rop, Hello, welcome to
the show.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Yeah, so I'll call them to see if I experienced
a sixth Amendment violation.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
H It's a good start. Okay, tell me what happened.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Well, I've been over the past two and a half years,
I've been going through pre traum motions and have been
directed to outside throughout all these motions and told what
by law enforcement and told what?
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Okay, hold on, You've been directed to sit outside while
your motion was being heard. Yes, so who argued your motion?
Speaker 3 (07:16):
My lawyer?
Speaker 1 (07:17):
You have a lawyer? What what are you? Wow? Okay,
So what were you accused of? What is the crime
that they're arguing?
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Do you?
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Okay? All right? And your lawyer argues motions and right,
and you've been denied going in the courtroom. That's the problem,
all right, so go on.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Yeah, So so over the past two years, like I've
seen multiple discrepancies from not submitting the full evidence evidence
turn out.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
So they're screwing up, all right. So your lawyer clearly
is screwing up. Is your lawyer producing all the evidence
that he should or she should?
Speaker 3 (07:56):
I don't believe.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
So then fire the lawyer. Then fire the lawyer. Another
lawyer I.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Have, I have, and I'm onto my third lawyer and okay,
pretty much it's exhausting, my friend.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Well, then you have to get a fourth lawyer because
if you've gotten three lawyers that are not representing you appropriately, Jonathan,
you have already done the hat trick. So okay, what's
your question?
Speaker 3 (08:21):
My question is is that is that has that been
a six Amendment violation? If I just been denied?
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Oh, I don't know, I don't know. So what you
probably need is a constitutional lawyer, and I'll be more
than happy to give you a name or two that.
I mean, they start at five thousand dollars retainer and
you're arguing constitutional rights. So this this would go on
for a while. So if you think you're broke now,
you just wait until you start arguing constitutional law. By
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the way, were you guilty of a dui or are
you totally innocent?
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Well, I'm still in process.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
So okay, Well let me ask you this too.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I don't want to. Yeah, you can't admit that you
were guilty. Hypothetically it not you and not with you admitting.
Let's say someone out there has decided that you did this, Okay,
can the court look at that and say, hmm, that's
possible that that's the case. I'm trying to be as
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broad as I can without screwing you up, I believe
so okay, So at the bottom line, you did it
all right. So, by the way, that's me saying it
not you. We're being real careful here, Jonathan, because the
authorities do listen to this phone, these phone calls, and
they do record them, and they're able because it's AI
out there today, track you down, know exactly what you're saying,
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exactly where you live, you live, exactly what credit cards
you are, So a little bit careful because you're on radio.
The point is I would just suck it up. Was
it a yeah, yeah, they're probably in violation then if
they don't let you into the courtroom when emotion is argued.
I mean, you know normally on appeals level, well you
don't go in, but the lawyers do it. But not
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having you there and yeah, that's a little tough, you know,
unless I'm wrong on that one, which I am quite
often that happens a lot. Devin, Hi, Devin, welcome.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Hey, good morning, Bill. So I have the membership at
twenty four hour Fitness, and I've had a membership at
twenty four hour Fitness with the price locked in in lifetime.
Now the situation is COVID those hours at twenty four
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hour Fitness, We're no longer around the clock in twenty
four hours. And now two years after COVID, we've kind
of settled back and gotten back into the swing of
things as a world, I guess from the pandemic, and
twenty four hour Fitness is still not are no longer
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twenty four hours?
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Yeah, yeah, that's true. So what's your question, Devin?
Speaker 4 (11:04):
My question is it has twenty four hour feet and
is breached their contract?
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Well, I don't know. You have to look at the
contract to see if hours change, you know, the actual document,
which I don't see it. But let's talk about what
do you do even if they have breached what do
you do? Do you go to court and have the
judge demand they stay open twenty four hours?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Well?
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Can they still be called twenty four hours?
Speaker 6 (11:31):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Yeah, they can be called anything they want. They can
be called thirty six hour fitness if they want. Yeah,
they can. They can, all right now, I understand. By
the way, no, I don't misunderstand. I'd be pissed off too.
The good news is I am fat, I'm lazy. I'm
a couch potatoes, so I don't give a rats about
going to the gym. By the way, are you in
shape or.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Not pretty good shape?
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Yeah, because you sound like you're not. Yeah. But yeah,
they can call themselves whatever the hell they want. They
really can, although there's some issues. I signed up because
it was twenty four hours, but COVID, yeah it's yeah,
it's just not worth the hasshole. Let me tell you
about your business for a moment. The less your business
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spends on delivering your product or service, the more margin
you make, the more money you keep, and everything is
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and I'm sure they can. Net Suite as an office
suite NetSuite dot com slash handle. Oh all right, Brian,
this one's fun. What can I do for you?
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Corn Bill? I'm a contractor here in southern California, and
I work for the California Residential Earthquake Mitigation Program every
once in a while. And what that is. It's a
grant from the state that gives people money to help
earthquake proof older houses.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Okay, and you're a contractor. Now, do you have to
be a contractor that has been vetted by them?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Okay, okay makes him and FEMA Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
So the lady that I was going to work for,
she she I'm sorry. She was approved for the financial assistance,
and the financial assistance doubled her budget basically to do
the work, which was enough money to do the work.
And I turned the proposal into the California Earthquake Mitigation Program,
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who has to approve everything before work starts, and the
program explicitly stated the five seven and fifty dollars bill
will be paid in full by the Earthquake Mitigation Program
due to the financial assistance that the customer had received,
and so on and so forth upon completion, and they
approved it. We did the work, we passed inspection, and
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I got paid about fifteen hundred dollars short, about thirty
three percent fifteen hundred short. The State says that, well,
the grant was only good for four thy two hundred.
I said, yeah, but you guys approved a proposal that specifically.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Still, I get it straight out.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I have a claim. I have a claim into them
right now with the evidence that I have, and I
let you know that in thirty days, wh should be desemberate.
I'm going to take this. I'm going to take the
state to small claims court.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, that's tough. Now that you have to. Now, you
don't work that way now now, not until you've exhausted
all of your your administrative remedies. Can't go to court
until you've gone through all of the appeals that are possible.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Many times do they have to say no?
Speaker 1 (15:28):
It depends on how many appeals. If there's one level
of appeals is one and then court is you're not
small claims court. You're going to an administrative law court.
Actually it's not that easy. I mean I based on
what you say, you're going to win and you just
have to go up to the next level and they're
going to say no. And then you have to go
to the next level and they're going to say no.
And you've got an administrative complaint. You have to go through that.
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I mean, eventually you're going to get it based on
what you're saying, Brian, they clearly breached you know. Here
you get five thousand, seven hundred dollars. By the way,
we're only giving you four thousand because it says four thousand.
You said five thousand. I went forward relying on that.
I mean, you've got detrimental reliance. You relied to your detriment.
But the rule is all the administrative remedies. But you
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don't need a lawyer. You do it on your own
on this way. So find out what the appeals process says.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
That's all you can do without the without having without
having the lean lean laws in place against the against
the mitigation program.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
I don't know if you can, because I'm not familiar
with the rules. I wouldn't be surprised if you can't
lean the property when you are doing you're part of
this program and they just said they're going to give
you X dollars and they didn't. Jim Hi, Jim, welcome,
Jim bow. What can I do for you?
Speaker 5 (16:46):
I've got to take it for going fifty on a freeway?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
What?
Speaker 1 (16:49):
What the hell? Yeah, what the hell? What's your question?
Jim Bo, why nobody told me I can't go fifty? Well,
it depends on how fast traffic was going, because you
can get ticketed for going too slow on the freeway.
A lot of people don't know that because if you
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go too slow, if traffic is moving, zipping along at
sixty five, okay, just zipping, even the speed limit really
doesn't control. If the issue is you're violating the basic
speed limit, and that's not a miles per hour issue.
That's a safety issue. So Jimbo, cop can do it,
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I'm telling you now. And just what the hell you know?
I mean, you know, are you one of these like
you know? I was going to say, are you one
of these old crotchety drivers? And clearly you are. So
I was in the lane, I understand. Yeah, but obviously
the traffic was going and people were behind you when
you were violating the basic traffic rules or the matrix
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traffic law. If you read the the DMV booklet. How
old are you, by the way, Jimbo, maybe yeah, you
sounded okay, you're lucky to have a license. Wow, what
a shocker. Too slow I've never seen have you ever? No,
old people don't go too slowly, not even close. Uh, Linda,
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Hi Linda, welcome, good morning. Yes, ma'am almost put my speak.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
Thank you for taking my can.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Sure.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
I'm regarding a trust that I've been having prepared m
h for the last couple of years. A couple of
years is dragging his seat?
Speaker 1 (18:37):
WHOA, let me how big is the How big is
the quote the estate? Linda? How much money is and
how much property is involved? Here is wells the well?
Let me put it this way. Is there are there
a ton of stocks or a ton of mutual funds?
Or are there a ton of annuities, insurance plans? In
there a ton of property and tons of business and
tons of mutual funds? Do you have all of that?
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Yes, sir?
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Okay, so it's complicated trust. Okay, so it's a complicated,
complicated trust. Okay, fair enough. So if it was fairly simple,
I would start screaming, saying you need another lawyer. Two
years is still a fair Yeah, it's long, but it's
not crazy long. If you have a very complicated financial situation,
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which sounds like you have. I mean, three million dollars
is a chunk, although two years it seems a bit long.
So the avenue is just get another lawyer, Linda, just
get another lawyer, you know. I mean, you can always
fire your lawyer. And if you're not happy with your lawyer,
and people think, oh my god, I have a lawyer. No,
you fire the lawyer. Lawyer works for you. That's the
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way it works in the world. Hey, let me tell
you about your pain or someone that you know has
chronic pain. I'm gonna suggest you listen to The Pain
Game podcast. It's a show about living in with chronic
pain and the tru that causes it. And the podcast
is half to prave, which I love guests I have
lived with, dealt with, have treated people living in pain.
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And I've known the host, Lindsay Soprano for years and
she suffers from chronic pain twenty four to seven, and
boy does she do it heroically. And every episode ends
with a message of hope and counterintuitively intuitively, the show
is about giving pain a purpose. Didn't understand that at first.
So go to the iHeartRadio app wherever you listen to podcasts,
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The Pain Game Podcast, The Pain Game Podcast. Ooh, some
good ones up here? Cheryl, Hi, Cheryl.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
Yes, Hi, can you hear me?
Speaker 1 (20:44):
I can?
Speaker 5 (20:45):
Oh fabulous. Okay.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
So I went to my primary might to have a
spot taken off right below my knee.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
It was okay, hold on your primary physician and a spot.
I'm assuming some kind of a mole or some thing
taken off your knee is opposed to something taken out
of your knee.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
Do I have that right pretty much yet?
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Okay? Got it? Okay, spot, take it off?
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
So he said to go to the dermatologist within their group,
which I did, and you only have fifteen minutes, and
everything was a lot of fast moving parts, and I said,
here's this a little spot.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
I want that taken off.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
Well, I do have egzima that's on my calf on
the front part of my shin as well. And she goes, well,
that looks like it could be skin cancer and I go, no,
it's egzema.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
I go, here's what I'm here for. What are we
going to do for that?
Speaker 6 (21:40):
And she kept focusing on that she thought it was
skin cancer, and so next thing I know, she's doing
a skin graph on my leg and I'm on my
calf and I'm thinking it's only going to be like,
you know, just a little dagg or something to.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
Have a biopsy.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
And I get home that night and I have a
two a two inch circle tattoo my okay cat, and
I'm and I'm like, what the hell?
Speaker 1 (22:08):
And I know I did that, and I'm assuming it was.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
And so I went back to her and she goes, well,
I thought it was skin cancer. So I went back
to my primary and I showed my primary and he goes, well,
it look looks like you have exema.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
And I go, I know, all right, so you now
have where do they take the skin from?
Speaker 6 (22:28):
By the way, I Cheryl, it's from the shin of
my leg.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
It's okay. They took a piece of off and they
took they took a piece off of one part of
your leg and then cut out, uh, the what supposedly
was cancer, and then replaced it with the skin. And
you've got a big two inch square or circle. Right, Okay,
sounds like now practice.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
No, No, that wasn't no, tell me what happened.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
That's my understanding.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
So yeah, that's okay.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
So what she did was she scraped to send it
in for a biopsy. And I guess when you scrape it,
you have to go several layers down for I don't
know want because I never had.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
It a little quicker. Okay, Okay.
Speaker 6 (23:12):
So anyway, So, so I have this big tattoo now
my leg and I still work. I'm a realtor, and
I wear dresses, and I can't wear a dress. I
can't wear and it's I'm really mad.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
So I went okay, so what's your question? What's your question?
Speaker 6 (23:30):
When I went back? So when I went back, she
got an attitude, what do you want me to do? I?
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Okay, what's your question?
Speaker 5 (23:35):
I want you to fit? What do? What do I do?
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Here's okay?
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (23:42):
You it sounds like you have a medical malpractice case.
What are your damages?
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (23:47):
You have an ugly shin or an ugly knee? Is
what you have right now? Uh? And you can't wear
a dress? How much is I can't wear a dress? Work?
Speaker 6 (23:58):
Well, it's the I'm not I can't wear shorts in
the summer.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Okay. How much is I can't wear? Okay? How much
is I can't wear shorts? I can't wear a dress.
But by the way, why can't you wear shorts? Because
it looks bad?
Speaker 5 (24:11):
You should see it, Bill, I know, I understand.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
I'm assuming. Okay, I got it. Hideous, horrible, ugly. I'll
take it. Here's the problem. How much do you think
that's worth?
Speaker 5 (24:24):
It's worth sixteen, that's true.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
But how do you fix that? I don't know how
you fix that.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
I'm not really looking for a dollar amount.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Okay, then what you do? Well, you're not gonna go
back to that dermatologist. So you go to your primary
he's part of the group, and go what are you
guys gonna do? What are you guys gonna do? How
you screwed up? Well, you're not gonna go to that dermatologist, certainly,
So you're gonna go to another dermatologist in the group.
And you know, you say, hey, this is malpractice. I
talk to a lawyer. Don't mention my name because they
start laughing. By the way, when you do that, and
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it's uh, you know, they're gonna do something. I don't
know if it can be fixed. Maybe the other possibility
is just covering it up with foundation. I don't know.
I don't have I have ugly knees anyway, so it
doesn't matter. And by the way, what if you have
hideous legs anyway? You know, do you have Erico's veins? Uh?
(25:17):
Not really Okay, do you okay, do you have really
a chunky thighs? You know, like, do you have cell
your light?
Speaker 5 (25:23):
No, I'm pretty slender.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Okay, well all right, well that's better for you that
you're slender, worse for you. What I would do is, Okay,
you're not gonna get a lawyer, Cheryl. You're not gonna
get a lawyer. Okay, No lawyer's going to take it
because there's not enough money in there, all right, because
your damages are ugly and you can't wear shorts, you
can't wear a dress, which I understand, you know, I
get it. That's no small deal to you. So I'm
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not minimizing that. Well, actually I am, but I would
see what they can do, and I don't know what
you can do medically. Whatever you do, don't go to
the same dermatologists and yell at that group through your
primary physician. Uh an interesting case. Yeah see that's I
say that all the time. And that is you got
you have a case. Okay, fine, no question malpractice has occurred.
(26:09):
Now what, well, I don't I don't know how much
that's worth because all you can do is soup for money.
That's it. Okay, I'll tell you what else you have
probably bad breath. Uh. And it doesn't matter who has it,
your friends, co workers, loved ones. You're breathing it.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Ugh.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
The food you eat can cause this stuff. So I
want to introduce you to Zelman's minty Mouth mints. It's
way beyond the minth. Uh. These little capsules you pop
two or three in your mouth and there's a strong
minty coating and you deal with that. Yeah, you know
that those are done in your mouth and then you
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to call. Well, this is handle on the law, marginal
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legal advice where I tell you have absolutely no case
and the usual rules apply. If I tell you have
no case, it makes my day. That's a good thing.
If I tell you you do have a case, that's
a little depressing for me. If you have a phenomenal case,
I'm up on the roof about to take a swan
dive off the building. So yeah, obviously you know this show.
(01:51):
I've been doing this enough years. Now, let me tell
you what's going on in Texas. Oh man. We have
two things happening now, well three things. A new administration
kicking in. We have a Supreme Court that is insanely
conservative now it has switched completely, and we have very
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conservative state legislatures where evangelicals and hugely religious folks read
Christians in this case have gotten more influence in schools
than you could ever imagine. So Texas is voting on
a new public school curriculum statewide then incorporates stories from
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the Bible into elementary school teachings. The Bible will be
part of the school curriculum and not the study of
the Bible as a separate Bible course. I did that
when I was in junior high school. And it was
not religious. It was literature and historical because it's the
most influential book that's ever been published in mankind's history.
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So it was no religious stuff. This is religious stuff.
This is the Bible, this is Jesus, this is Christianity
New Testament, I might add. And the material was written
by the Texas Education Agency, and this is a body
overseeing public school education and is headed by the Texas
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Commissioner of Education. By the way, this is for grades
K through five. And this is a tough one. Governor
Gray Gabbott, of course, has voiced his support. And it
is tough, where he said, it allows to better understand
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students the connection of history, art, community, literature okay, fair enough,
and religion on pivotal events like the signing of the
US Constitution, the civil rights movement, and the American Revolution.
I got news for you. The Bible had nothing to
do with the signing of the US Constitution. There is
no religion in the US Constitution. Purposely the civil rights movement.
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You know, a lot of Jews were marching in the
Civil Rights movement. I didn't hear a lot of Jesus
wants Jews to march with us. And the American Revolution.
You know, the founding fathers were deists. They believe in God,
but that's where it stopped. And by the way, the
Constitution has not a word about God. Now the Declaration
of Independence does, but it's a mention of God in
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terms of the rights of man in the United States,
the rights of citizens. So you know, we're in a
whole new world. Of course, they're going to go to
the courts. Supreme Court is probably going to hear that. However,
the Supreme Court is really in favor of religious freedom,
and they rather have religious freedom than the separation of
church and state. I think that's what's going to happen.
(04:45):
That's my guests don't know if that's a fact, because
I'm not sitting on the court and I'm not a
court pundit. Matter of fact, I'm not a pundit of
much of anything. Federal judge this month blocked a Louisiana
law that would have required the Ten Commandments to be
displayed in every public schoolroom. In Oklahoma, teachers and parents
file the lawsuit to stop the state's top education official
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from enforcing the same thing about the Ten Commandments. Oh
Texas also has allowed public schools to hire uncertified religious
chaplains as counselors. We're not talking about counselors that have
some training in the schools that are certified teachers have
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their teachers licenses. No uncertified chaplains are going to be counselors.
I've said this many many times. We are in for
such a ride. Number eight hundred and five two zero one,
five three four. And before we take a break, I
(05:50):
want to talk about a podcast that is pretty terrific.
If you live in chronic pain or you know someone
who does, so, let me suggest you listen to The
Pain Game podcasts. It's a show about living in living
with chronic pain and the trauma that can cause the pain,
and the trauma and well the pain and the miserable
feelings that make any sense.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
No.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
The podcast is have to pray that part I love,
and the guests have lived with, or have treated or
dealing with people living in pain. And I've known the host,
Lindsay Soprano for years and she suffers chronic pain twenty
four to seven and does it heroically and every episode
ends with a message of hope. And it shows that
(06:30):
you can really give pain a purpose. I know that
sounds weird, but you can so listen on the iHeartRadio
app or wherever you listen to podcasts, The Pain Game Podcast,
The Pain Game Podcast. Jonathan here Rop, Hello, welcome to
the show.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Yeah, so I'll call them to see if I experienced
a sixth Amendment violation.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
H It's a good start. Okay, tell me what happened.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Well, I've been over the past two and a half years,
I've been going through pre traum motions and have been
directed to outside throughout all these motions and told what
by law enforcement and told what?
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Okay, hold on, You've been directed to sit outside while
your motion was being heard. Yes, so who argued your motion?
Speaker 3 (07:16):
My lawyer?
Speaker 1 (07:17):
You have a lawyer? What what are you? Wow? Okay,
So what were you accused of? What is the crime
that they're arguing?
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Do you?
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Okay? All right? And your lawyer argues motions and right,
and you've been denied going in the courtroom. That's the problem,
all right, so go on.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Yeah, So so over the past two years, like I've
seen multiple discrepancies from not submitting the full evidence evidence
turn out.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
So they're screwing up, all right. So your lawyer clearly
is screwing up. Is your lawyer producing all the evidence
that he should or she should?
Speaker 3 (07:56):
I don't believe.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
So then fire the lawyer. Then fire the lawyer. Another
lawyer I.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Have, I have, and I'm onto my third lawyer and okay,
pretty much it's exhausting, my friend.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Well, then you have to get a fourth lawyer because
if you've gotten three lawyers that are not representing you appropriately, Jonathan,
you have already done the hat trick. So okay, what's
your question?
Speaker 3 (08:21):
My question is is that is that has that been
a six Amendment violation? If I just been denied?
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Oh, I don't know, I don't know. So what you
probably need is a constitutional lawyer, and I'll be more
than happy to give you a name or two that.
I mean, they start at five thousand dollars retainer and
you're arguing constitutional rights. So this this would go on
for a while. So if you think you're broke now,
you just wait until you start arguing constitutional law. By
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the way, were you guilty of a dui or are
you totally innocent?
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Well, I'm still in process.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
So okay, Well let me ask you this too.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I don't want to. Yeah, you can't admit that you
were guilty. Hypothetically it not you and not with you admitting.
Let's say someone out there has decided that you did this, Okay,
can the court look at that and say, hmm, that's
possible that that's the case. I'm trying to be as
(09:18):
broad as I can without screwing you up, I believe
so okay, So at the bottom line, you did it
all right. So, by the way, that's me saying it
not you. We're being real careful here, Jonathan, because the
authorities do listen to this phone, these phone calls, and
they do record them, and they're able because it's AI
out there today, track you down, know exactly what you're saying,
(09:39):
exactly where you live, you live, exactly what credit cards
you are, So a little bit careful because you're on radio.
The point is I would just suck it up. Was
it a yeah, yeah, they're probably in violation then if
they don't let you into the courtroom when emotion is argued.
I mean, you know normally on appeals level, well you
don't go in, but the lawyers do it. But not
(10:03):
having you there and yeah, that's a little tough, you know,
unless I'm wrong on that one, which I am quite
often that happens a lot. Devin, Hi, Devin, welcome.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Hey, good morning, Bill. So I have the membership at
twenty four hour Fitness, and I've had a membership at
twenty four hour Fitness with the price locked in in lifetime.
Now the situation is COVID those hours at twenty four
(10:37):
hour Fitness, We're no longer around the clock in twenty
four hours. And now two years after COVID, we've kind
of settled back and gotten back into the swing of
things as a world, I guess from the pandemic, and
twenty four hour Fitness is still not are no longer
(10:58):
twenty four hours?
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Yeah, yeah, that's true. So what's your question, Devin?
Speaker 4 (11:04):
My question is it has twenty four hour feet and
is breached their contract?
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Well, I don't know. You have to look at the
contract to see if hours change, you know, the actual document,
which I don't see it. But let's talk about what
do you do even if they have breached what do
you do? Do you go to court and have the
judge demand they stay open twenty four hours?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Well?
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Can they still be called twenty four hours?
Speaker 6 (11:31):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Yeah, they can be called anything they want. They can
be called thirty six hour fitness if they want. Yeah,
they can. They can, all right now, I understand. By
the way, no, I don't misunderstand. I'd be pissed off too.
The good news is I am fat, I'm lazy. I'm
a couch potatoes, so I don't give a rats about
going to the gym. By the way, are you in
shape or.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Not pretty good shape?
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Yeah, because you sound like you're not. Yeah. But yeah,
they can call themselves whatever the hell they want. They
really can, although there's some issues. I signed up because
it was twenty four hours, but COVID, yeah it's yeah,
it's just not worth the hasshole. Let me tell you
about your business for a moment. The less your business
(12:15):
spends on delivering your product or service, the more margin
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suite NetSuite dot com slash handle. Oh all right, Brian,
this one's fun. What can I do for you?
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Corn Bill? I'm a contractor here in southern California, and
I work for the California Residential Earthquake Mitigation Program every
once in a while. And what that is. It's a
grant from the state that gives people money to help
earthquake proof older houses.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Okay, and you're a contractor. Now, do you have to
be a contractor that has been vetted by them?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Okay, okay makes him and FEMA Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
So the lady that I was going to work for,
she she I'm sorry. She was approved for the financial assistance,
and the financial assistance doubled her budget basically to do
the work, which was enough money to do the work.
And I turned the proposal into the California Earthquake Mitigation Program,
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who has to approve everything before work starts, and the
program explicitly stated the five seven and fifty dollars bill
will be paid in full by the Earthquake Mitigation Program
due to the financial assistance that the customer had received,
and so on and so forth upon completion, and they
approved it. We did the work, we passed inspection, and
(14:43):
I got paid about fifteen hundred dollars short, about thirty
three percent fifteen hundred short. The State says that, well,
the grant was only good for four thy two hundred.
I said, yeah, but you guys approved a proposal that specifically.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Still, I get it straight out.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I have a claim. I have a claim into them
right now with the evidence that I have, and I
let you know that in thirty days, wh should be desemberate.
I'm going to take this. I'm going to take the
state to small claims court.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, that's tough. Now that you have to. Now, you
don't work that way now now, not until you've exhausted
all of your your administrative remedies. Can't go to court
until you've gone through all of the appeals that are possible.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Many times do they have to say no?
Speaker 1 (15:28):
It depends on how many appeals. If there's one level
of appeals is one and then court is you're not
small claims court. You're going to an administrative law court.
Actually it's not that easy. I mean I based on
what you say, you're going to win and you just
have to go up to the next level and they're
going to say no. And then you have to go
to the next level and they're going to say no.
And you've got an administrative complaint. You have to go through that.
(15:50):
I mean, eventually you're going to get it based on
what you're saying, Brian, they clearly breached you know. Here
you get five thousand, seven hundred dollars. By the way,
we're only giving you four thousand because it says four thousand.
You said five thousand. I went forward relying on that.
I mean, you've got detrimental reliance. You relied to your detriment.
But the rule is all the administrative remedies. But you
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don't need a lawyer. You do it on your own
on this way. So find out what the appeals process says.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
That's all you can do without the without having without
having the lean lean laws in place against the against
the mitigation program.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
I don't know if you can, because I'm not familiar
with the rules. I wouldn't be surprised if you can't
lean the property when you are doing you're part of
this program and they just said they're going to give
you X dollars and they didn't. Jim Hi, Jim, welcome,
Jim bow. What can I do for you?
Speaker 5 (16:46):
I've got to take it for going fifty on a freeway?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
What?
Speaker 1 (16:49):
What the hell? Yeah, what the hell? What's your question?
Jim Bo, why nobody told me I can't go fifty? Well,
it depends on how fast traffic was going, because you
can get ticketed for going too slow on the freeway.
A lot of people don't know that because if you
(17:09):
go too slow, if traffic is moving, zipping along at
sixty five, okay, just zipping, even the speed limit really
doesn't control. If the issue is you're violating the basic
speed limit, and that's not a miles per hour issue.
That's a safety issue. So Jimbo, cop can do it,
(17:32):
I'm telling you now. And just what the hell you know?
I mean, you know, are you one of these like
you know? I was going to say, are you one
of these old crotchety drivers? And clearly you are. So
I was in the lane, I understand. Yeah, but obviously
the traffic was going and people were behind you when
you were violating the basic traffic rules or the matrix
(17:54):
traffic law. If you read the the DMV booklet. How
old are you, by the way, Jimbo, maybe yeah, you
sounded okay, you're lucky to have a license. Wow, what
a shocker. Too slow I've never seen have you ever? No,
old people don't go too slowly, not even close. Uh, Linda,
(18:16):
Hi Linda, welcome, good morning. Yes, ma'am almost put my speak.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
Thank you for taking my can.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Sure.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
I'm regarding a trust that I've been having prepared m
h for the last couple of years. A couple of
years is dragging his seat?
Speaker 1 (18:37):
WHOA, let me how big is the How big is
the quote the estate? Linda? How much money is and
how much property is involved? Here is wells the well?
Let me put it this way. Is there are there
a ton of stocks or a ton of mutual funds?
Or are there a ton of annuities, insurance plans? In
there a ton of property and tons of business and
tons of mutual funds? Do you have all of that?
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Yes, sir?
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Okay, so it's complicated trust. Okay, so it's a complicated,
complicated trust. Okay, fair enough. So if it was fairly simple,
I would start screaming, saying you need another lawyer. Two
years is still a fair Yeah, it's long, but it's
not crazy long. If you have a very complicated financial situation,
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which sounds like you have. I mean, three million dollars
is a chunk, although two years it seems a bit long.
So the avenue is just get another lawyer, Linda, just
get another lawyer, you know. I mean, you can always
fire your lawyer. And if you're not happy with your lawyer,
and people think, oh my god, I have a lawyer. No,
you fire the lawyer. Lawyer works for you. That's the
(19:46):
way it works in the world. Hey, let me tell
you about your pain or someone that you know has
chronic pain. I'm gonna suggest you listen to The Pain
Game podcast. It's a show about living in with chronic
pain and the tru that causes it. And the podcast
is half to prave, which I love guests I have
lived with, dealt with, have treated people living in pain.
(20:08):
And I've known the host, Lindsay Soprano for years and
she suffers from chronic pain twenty four to seven, and
boy does she do it heroically. And every episode ends
with a message of hope and counterintuitively intuitively, the show
is about giving pain a purpose. Didn't understand that at first.
So go to the iHeartRadio app wherever you listen to podcasts,
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The Pain Game Podcast, The Pain Game Podcast. Ooh, some
good ones up here? Cheryl, Hi, Cheryl.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
Yes, Hi, can you hear me?
Speaker 1 (20:44):
I can?
Speaker 5 (20:45):
Oh fabulous. Okay.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
So I went to my primary might to have a
spot taken off right below my knee.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
It was okay, hold on your primary physician and a spot.
I'm assuming some kind of a mole or some thing
taken off your knee is opposed to something taken out
of your knee.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
Do I have that right pretty much yet?
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Okay? Got it? Okay, spot, take it off?
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
So he said to go to the dermatologist within their group,
which I did, and you only have fifteen minutes, and
everything was a lot of fast moving parts, and I said,
here's this a little spot.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
I want that taken off.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
Well, I do have egzima that's on my calf on
the front part of my shin as well. And she goes, well,
that looks like it could be skin cancer and I go, no,
it's egzema.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
I go, here's what I'm here for. What are we
going to do for that?
Speaker 6 (21:40):
And she kept focusing on that she thought it was
skin cancer, and so next thing I know, she's doing
a skin graph on my leg and I'm on my
calf and I'm thinking it's only going to be like,
you know, just a little dagg or something to.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
Have a biopsy.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
And I get home that night and I have a
two a two inch circle tattoo my okay cat, and
I'm and I'm like, what the hell?
Speaker 1 (22:08):
And I know I did that, and I'm assuming it was.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
And so I went back to her and she goes, well,
I thought it was skin cancer. So I went back
to my primary and I showed my primary and he goes, well,
it look looks like you have exema.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
And I go, I know, all right, so you now
have where do they take the skin from?
Speaker 6 (22:28):
By the way, I Cheryl, it's from the shin of
my leg.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
It's okay. They took a piece of off and they
took they took a piece off of one part of
your leg and then cut out, uh, the what supposedly
was cancer, and then replaced it with the skin. And
you've got a big two inch square or circle. Right, Okay,
sounds like now practice.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
No, No, that wasn't no, tell me what happened.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
That's my understanding.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
So yeah, that's okay.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
So what she did was she scraped to send it
in for a biopsy. And I guess when you scrape it,
you have to go several layers down for I don't
know want because I never had.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
It a little quicker. Okay, Okay.
Speaker 6 (23:12):
So anyway, So, so I have this big tattoo now
my leg and I still work. I'm a realtor, and
I wear dresses, and I can't wear a dress. I
can't wear and it's I'm really mad.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
So I went okay, so what's your question? What's your question?
Speaker 6 (23:30):
When I went back? So when I went back, she
got an attitude, what do you want me to do? I?
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Okay, what's your question?
Speaker 5 (23:35):
I want you to fit? What do? What do I do?
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Here's okay?
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (23:42):
You it sounds like you have a medical malpractice case.
What are your damages?
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (23:47):
You have an ugly shin or an ugly knee? Is
what you have right now? Uh? And you can't wear
a dress? How much is I can't wear a dress? Work?
Speaker 6 (23:58):
Well, it's the I'm not I can't wear shorts in
the summer.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Okay. How much is I can't wear? Okay? How much
is I can't wear shorts? I can't wear a dress.
But by the way, why can't you wear shorts? Because
it looks bad?
Speaker 5 (24:11):
You should see it, Bill, I know, I understand.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
I'm assuming. Okay, I got it. Hideous, horrible, ugly. I'll
take it. Here's the problem. How much do you think
that's worth?
Speaker 5 (24:24):
It's worth sixteen, that's true.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
But how do you fix that? I don't know how
you fix that.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
I'm not really looking for a dollar amount.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Okay, then what you do? Well, you're not gonna go
back to that dermatologist. So you go to your primary
he's part of the group, and go what are you
guys gonna do? What are you guys gonna do? How
you screwed up? Well, you're not gonna go to that dermatologist, certainly,
So you're gonna go to another dermatologist in the group.
And you know, you say, hey, this is malpractice. I
talk to a lawyer. Don't mention my name because they
start laughing. By the way, when you do that, and
(24:56):
it's uh, you know, they're gonna do something. I don't
know if it can be fixed. Maybe the other possibility
is just covering it up with foundation. I don't know.
I don't have I have ugly knees anyway, so it
doesn't matter. And by the way, what if you have
hideous legs anyway? You know, do you have Erico's veins? Uh?
(25:17):
Not really Okay, do you okay, do you have really
a chunky thighs? You know, like, do you have cell
your light?
Speaker 5 (25:23):
No, I'm pretty slender.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Okay, well all right, well that's better for you that
you're slender, worse for you. What I would do is, Okay,
you're not gonna get a lawyer, Cheryl. You're not gonna
get a lawyer. Okay, No lawyer's going to take it
because there's not enough money in there, all right, because
your damages are ugly and you can't wear shorts, you
can't wear a dress, which I understand, you know, I
get it. That's no small deal to you. So I'm
(25:46):
not minimizing that. Well, actually I am, but I would
see what they can do, and I don't know what
you can do medically. Whatever you do, don't go to
the same dermatologists and yell at that group through your
primary physician. Uh an interesting case. Yeah see that's I
say that all the time. And that is you got
you have a case. Okay, fine, no question malpractice has occurred.
(26:09):
Now what, well, I don't I don't know how much
that's worth because all you can do is soup for money.
That's it. Okay, I'll tell you what else you have
probably bad breath. Uh. And it doesn't matter who has it,
your friends, co workers, loved ones. You're breathing it.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Ugh.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
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that those are done in your mouth and then you
swallow a bite into the capsule and then it goes
to work. This is where other mints simply don't do this.
It goes to work in your gut and deals with
(26:48):
the foods that you eat and garlic and onions, because
that's where a lot of bad breath comes from and stays.
That's Zelman's minty Mouth mints.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
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