January 20, 2025 • 27 mins
Why did God create so much before man
Artificial Insemination
Near Death, Saw an angel
Is God Good?
Artificial Insemination
Near Death, Saw an angel
Is God Good?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to KFI on demand. Dean, Welcome to the
Jesus Christio.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Jesus, Just Dean.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
In my search for the truth, I want to know
where if you know, God so loved man, and I
am a believer. But how come he created so many
things animals and dinosaurs and things like that for millions
of gazillions a year before man even shows up on Earth?
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And two, how do Adam and Eve fit in? As
you know, we have found fossils and remains of like
cavemen Neanderthals that weren't even walking upright and then they were.
How does that work? How does that fit in.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
With the local scripture?
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Well, a lot of the dinosaur stuff will focus on
in just a second, But as far as Neanderthals go,
there there's a lot of misconception and misunderstanding about Neanderthals
and what they were. And there's a lot of fabrications
and garbage that came out that people still think like
Lucy or Piltdown Man, Java Man, Nebraska Man, all these
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that we have been proven to either be hoaxes, misidentified whatever.
So there's a lot of garbage out there that people
still kind of, you know, hold on to thinking that
that they have all these missing links and evidence. Well,
the reason why they refer to them as missing links
is because they don't have them. They have pieces of things,
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and they have bone structures that are in every way,
shape or form. They might be slightly different looking, but
there has been no discovery of any of these so
called Neanderthals that where their anatomy, when looked at, honestly
comes to any conclusion that states that the motion, the
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type of manipulation, the intellectual capacity, the capacity for language,
or any of these things were inferior to human beings
as you know them today. There's even you can find
stories about scientists going back and forth about the size
of the nose of Neanderthals because they look large, and
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yet it would have been much colder than by their calculations,
and it doesn't make sense to have large noses and
the cold and all these different things. They're still battling
as to what these things mean, but ultimately you can
find people even today with similar bone structures as those
of these so called Neanderthals. So really there's a lot
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more to it than just how fits in scripture. There's
a lot of questions as to how it fits into science,
and since it's a forensic science and what they're doing
with the data at hand and how they're interpreting it,
it's very easy, Dean for someone to go and look
at scripture and dismiss it and say, well, that's left
up to interpretation. But a good scientist will tell you
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that by the very nature of observational science, which is
what science is, it's observing what's there or what has
happened in the past and concluding that it will happen
again that way or that slight variations will be made
depending on different interactions. That when it comes to a
past singular event or something that took place that won't
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take place again, just like a murder or a crime scene,
that they have to trace back in reverse and try
and understand the information in reverse. And when it comes
to things like the Neanderthal, there's a mess of speculation
and doesn't mean there aren't bones, and it doesn't mean
there aren't bones that worth that are you know, worth
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studying and looking into. But imagine this. If you were
to find certain types of bones, let's say bones from
the elephant man or something like that, and you were
to assume that that was the entirety of that race
or that people it would be a false assumption. And
to say that they've found bones and this has to
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be Man because of X, Y, and Z is not
necessarily a fair statement as well. And there's much more
to it than that. I just think that there's a
lot that gets kind of assumed in these questions and
people don't question it because it has a scientific bent
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to it. So people feel like you're going to look
like the stupid Christian who is questioning science and all
of those things, and that's just it's not fair. There
are many things in science that change often. Evolution is
one of them that changes often because there's no definitive
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answer and there's constant new information coming in that makes
them go, Okay, this was wrong. Just like many of
those original finds that I mentioned. When it comes to
a lot of those original finds, Puilt Down Man, Lucy
Java Man, Nebraska Man, these types of things, it took
a while for it to come out that many of
them were hoaxes, or they were this one skull cap
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mixed with a different jaw, and sure, you combine these
together and you have problems. Just like the Bronosaurus, which
doesn't exist anymore because it was science putting the wrong
head on the wrong body. And so those things happen,
and it doesn't mean you should throw science out. Science
is not the enemy of faith in any way, shape
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or form. But it's to understand them in their context. Now,
how do they play a part in scripture? Well, first,
I would argue that the Neanderthal didn't exist in the
sense that modern day science continues to say that it did,
and that there's no evidence for it to exist in
that way. The cave dwelling in the same way, did
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humans live in caves? Absolutely, You can go to Israel
today and see caves. I was born in one, essentially.
So there are those that confused the concept of that
type of cave dwelling and they say, well, what about
the paintings on walls, Well, there's painting on walls today.
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It's really looking into that attitude. There's this sense of
attitude this comes along with evolution and the concept of
evolution that you are better than people that came prior.
There's a strange form of arrogance that comes with looking
at the pyramids and some of the ancient discoveries and
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modern man continues, go, they couldn't have done it. They
just couldn't have done it because obviously they were dumber
than us and didn't have microchips and didn't have the
proper leveraging systems and all. But says who, Now, of
course they didn't have microchips. But to say that they
were just because they were technologically simpler, that they weren't
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as equally as intelligent or couldn't come up with ways
to do it would be wrong, because they did come
up with ways to do it. So so amazing are
the ways that they did that people continue to this
day try and say, well, it was flying saucers and
spacemen and all these things. Anyways, So having said that,
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I will tell you that there are different arguments by
different people, theologians and like that, as to whether dinosaurs
are mentioned in scripture. Some feel that in Job forty
and forty one dinosaurs are mentioned by way of the
Leafayatin and the Bohemoit. So it is on your interpretation
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and understanding of those context. There's nothing wrong to say
that if Job isn't speaking about dinosaurs, that they played
a part of some purpose that wasn't a wasn't necessarily
known or isn't known today, so it doesn't play a
part in the narrative of scripture because it's not important
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to the narrative of scripture, just like every single person
isn't important in the narrative. Scripture talks about certain people
because they help understand and paint the lineage of humankind
and help teach principles that God wants to teach, but
not everything's in there doesn't specifically talk about everything that
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was created. It says in scripture that there were creatures created,
great and small. There's a lot that can fit in
there if you allow it to. Mary Louise, you there.
I'm well, I'm glad you turned down that radio and
you are present. How can I help you?
Speaker 4 (09:03):
I didn't have the radio on. Honestly, I think the
devil just didn't want me to get a.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
Hold of you.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Oh boy, well, we'll just cast him out and continue on.
How can I help you?
Speaker 4 (09:13):
I'm really curious. I was speaking to someone from a
Catholic university and the discussion came up of artificial insemination,
and I was under the impression that that was a
good thing. When somebody wants to have children and they
can't have it on their own that to populate the
world with more of us, so to speak. And I
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was surprised when she told me it was supposed to
be sinful, and I go, WHOA, what do you mean
because it's artificial? And I said, well, in a way,
didn't Jesus himself get boring because he was artificially insiminated.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I mean, whether it was dumb, my daughter, that's a
tiny bit of a stretch, but there is a way.
I think. I think it's good that you're at least
thinking through it and coming up with arguments. Well, this
program doesn't necessarily focus on a particular church's doctrine. We
look at them as a whole, and thankfully we've got
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Catholics and Protestants that listen as well as skeptics and
atheists and Jews and Muslims and everyone else in between.
So but we still focus on what Scripture has to
say and truth. So when it comes to artificial insemination,
I think that the Catholic Church has their dogma and
you have to also understand that just because someone who
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says they're Catholic, or even somebody who's at a Catholic
university says that that's wrong doesn't necessarily mean that's where
the Catholic Church stands officially. So that's first source you
should go to is find out where the Catholic Church,
if you are Catholic, stands officially. However, I will say
this that if someone tells you because it says artificial
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in it, that it's bad is ridiculous. Is really a
silly argument. And I hope they're not drinking any milk
or eating any bacon, because most livestock are bread by
way of artificial ascemination, so that it might be artificial
meat or artificial milk they're eating or drinking, and that
could be a problem in their view. Now that does
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that mean that every use of artificial incimination is good?
Certainly not. However, the concept of it being artificial is silly.
It just is. It's like saying that God doesn't want
you to cross this divide because there's no bridge, and
any bridge you make would be a man made bridge,
which would be artificial. It wouldn't be of the mountain itself,
and therefore you shouldn't cross it. And that's just that's
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not a fair statement that throws out much of medicine.
They should never take any antibiotics or anything like that,
or any synthetic medicines or it just it opens up
a whole wealth of problems. It doesn't mean that it
can't be misused. It doesn't mean that there aren't some
moral issues if it's applied in certain ways, but as
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a whole, as a concept or as a need, absolutely not.
There are there are people who want to have children
that have some issues that you know, are married and
they want to have a child, and it can be done. John,
Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Good morning, Jesus.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Hi John, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I wanted to run something by you, Yes, sir. About
twenty five years ago, I was a victim of an
attempted homicide. A guy stole my wallet, ripped me open,
Oh good, and I ended up being clinically dead for
a couple of minutes. Soon and I had an out
of body experience and in that I met an angel
and I thought, you know, when I saw him, I
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said you must be Gabriel because he was just like
so glorious and he was like, no, I'm just you know,
you run in the mill angel. Anyways, nicolong story short,
I saw the gates of Heaven, and I saw the
gates of Hell. And then when I came to at
the Marine base because out of the Navy at the time,
the guy tried to stole my wallet or whatever. So
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for a long time I didn't tell anybody about it
because I thought if I'd say anything to anybody, who
would just take out his nuts. Right, And so now
about coming up on three years. So as a matter
of fact, kind of ironic, on Easter Sunday, I survived
six heart attacks and open heart surgery all on one day.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
And I you know, when I got out.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Of surgery and survived it and stuff, everybody around me
seemed like I was supposed to be like grateful and happy,
you know, after it happened, and that was the total opposite.
I was just like, I guess, you know, I just
started running, like you know, memory running. You know, I
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just wanted to, like, you know, run away from the
situation and everything that's going on. And so now it's
the point where you know, I've got coronary art or disease.
They told me I only got a couple more years
to live, and so I'm sitting here, you know, I've
lost everything. My wife left me over it, and like
I'm living in my truck and I'm just like kind
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of lost, and I'm kind of like thinking of myself.
You know. Well, the first place that I have is
I don't know what the Bible says about if there
are such things as a guardian angel. And the second
thing is I'm like thinking to myself, you know, what
do I do in this situation with what time I
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got left?
Speaker 5 (14:41):
You know?
Speaker 2 (14:42):
You know, I'm just kind of like I'm lost. I
don't know, you know what I'm going to do? You
know where I'm going to go? You know, I'm just
kind of like the left fields.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
You know what day to day, aren't you? John?
Speaker 6 (14:57):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yeah, yeah, that's It's obviously the story that you tell
is horrific. I mean, all the accounts of it being
mugged and left for dead, and all the ailments and
things that have gone on in your life since sound
equally as horrible. You're definitely in a situation that calls
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for intense and deep faith. Now I will put that
on hold for one second to answer your theology question,
and then we'll go back to it. As far as
angels are concerned, or our guardian angels are concerned. There's
nothing in scripture that says everyone has a guardian angel. However,
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scripture is clear that that angels do guard over believers
most definitely and oversee things in the world in general.
And one verse that is used quite often to talk
about or to point to, guardian angels is Matthew eighteen
ten that says, see that you do not look down
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on one of these little ones, for I tell you
that their angel, they are angels in heaven. Always see
the face of my Father in heaven. And people go
back and forth as to what little ones is referring to.
People go back and forth on what their angel the
term their angels in heaven, and really most most theologians
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believe that it's not about having a specific angel. It's
about having angels overlook the things that go on around
your life as a whole. So there's nothing you can find.
I know, these concept of guardian angels have become very popular,
and there's books about it and all these things, but
really scripture doesn't say much on that concept. It really
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is more about that God is in control. Angels are
messengers and God uses them uh as he needs them
between heaven and earth. But as far as what you're
going through, which is what I'm concerned about right this moment,
is all of these things are happening to you, and
you you sound like you're you're incredibly strong under the circumstances.
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Are you asking me what your next step is or
what you should do with the time that you have left?
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yeah, because I just I I have no doubt that,
I have no doubt that you know that you're looking
for my savior, my Lord and Savior. And the thing is,
I find myself I don't want to. I was brought up,
and I was brought up where you let you actually
speak so loud, no one hears you talking. I kind
of when I see people, you know, with the you
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stick on the corner with the with the signs, and
the guys protesting in front of borts and clinics and
stuff like that, or people that go around confessing that
they're they're Christian. To me, just you know, there's a
verse in the bibble and maybe you can correct me
if I'm wronging, so that shall not be a hypocrite
and praise my name in the streets.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
You know, well, yes, it's speaking about those that would pray.
Part of it ties into what we spoke about earlier
in Matthew that there were those that would pray and
go out in the street to pray and so that
everyone could see them, but they were as hypocrites and
rather than you know, doing it in private and being
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you know, spending time with God and knowing that God
sees those things. In Matthew six ' two, so I
agree with you that is to live in a way
nobe ever goes, oh, that guy's a crazy Christian because
he does good things. And if you live in a
way that inspires other people, it makes your life value.
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You're already ahead of the game, even though that you've
had a rough road. No one's going to deny that, John,
you've had a rough road.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
But the thing that I remember distinctly is when I
was at the gates of Hell. And it wasn't until
a couple of years later that I met somebody and
he had this summer in the Bible just describes the
gates at Hell, and its just it was like dead on,
you know. And the one thing I remember was like
his iron plaid gates almost and he was like a dead,
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dead fig tree. And what was ironic because as I
saw somebody at that gate, and it turned out that
when I came out of the common and went home
on a medical league, I found out that this guy
that I grew up with was running from the law
and he ended up getting in an accident and he
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got captiated by a road sciences on the motorcycle. Anyways,
and I'll never forget to look on his face. Its
just like absolute fear. But I remember the one thing
I remember sensing was there was a complete absence of
all hope. And I don't know, I'm just kind.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
Of like confused because I know that you know the
type of lifestyle that I live, I think I live.
Maybe you know I crammed in three free lifetimes in
a short time I been here.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
You know, well the good the good thing, John, I
know that there's a lot of circumstances going on in
your life. I know that you're that there's different emotions
that go with the you know what they're telling you,
the length of time you have, all these things, all
the horrific things you've experienced, it doesn't change anything. And
I want to really focus this, uh. And I appreciate
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you that that you've been so honest with your call
as well. But I want to bring it back that
nothing changes if you have one hundred years on this planet,
if you have one hundred minutes on this planet, it's
always going to be the same. We've said on the
show over and over again that the the meaning of
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life is simply this, to utilize your gifts and abilities
along lines of excellence, to the edification of others, to
the edification of yourself, to the glory of God. That
doesn't change at any time for any reason. As ugly
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as things may have been for you, John, and the
path that you've been on was a rocky one and
continues to be that you always live by the attitude
that you have. I love that you say that your
action should speak so loudly that people can't even hear
you talking. That if you live in a way that
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inspires others, that if you live in a way that
shows what you believe rather than just telling somebody what
you believe, then you're doing it right. And that doesn't change.
And it's a sad thought to think that there is
a limit that seems so tangible when it gets down
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to years and someone telling you you, oh, you have
this disease, You only have x amount of years to live.
But it doesn't change the game.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
I know.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Emotionally, it makes you think, well, what am I doing?
Am I doing the right thing? Am I going through this?
Am I going through that? But ultimately the game doesn't
change at all. And if you think about the things
that you do in life when you're young, one of
the biggest problems is that as people get older, they
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tend to start changing the game because of fears. Well,
I'm not as young as I used to be, so
I don't want to start over all these things, and
so you end up muting your abilities. The game doesn't
need to change. Doesn't mean that you shouldn't be wise
and think about the time and be prudent. But what
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I want from you, John, is the same thing I've
always wanted from you, to serve me to live a
life that is God centered, that glorifies God, that will
teach and inspire others to want to know about God.
And that doesn't change now. As a matter of fact,
you've inspired people just by telling your story. Then there
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will be those that roll their eyes about the near
death experience and all those things. And why don't you
talk more about this and talk about this and new people.
I don't want to get into that theology right now.
What I want to do is just talk to you
John and explain that all of those experiences you've been
through in life have brought you to today and made
you who you are. You continue to walk from this
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day forward, however, many days that might be glorifying God
in very real and tangible ways that will move, teach
and inspire Rob. Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
Yeah, say hi, hi, Hi Jesus. I got a I
got an issue with the whole concept of God is good.
I'm gonna I'm gonna talk about the flood first, Okay,
you tried to kill humanity with a flood. And then
Abraham's son what kind of what kind of life did
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eleven year old have after his dad tried to stick
a knife in his chest? Angel an angel, stop the
hand before it plunged into his chest. And then Sodom
and Gomorrah. I mean, I just I cannot. I can't
imagine praising a god who who does these horrible evil things.
I mean, can can you help me?
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Can you help me to well?
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Well, I hope, but really that's going to be up
to you. Those are all excellent examples. However, they are
partial examples of a bigger picture if you look at
it as a concept of purification and testing the character
of an individual so they can see it, not so
God can see it. God always sees the character of
the individual. But as you're talking about with with Abraham,
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and if you read that, he says, what before he
goes up the hill? He tells those men? What does
he tell them before he goes up that hill to
allegedly kill.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
His to be told, I don't have a Bible in
front of me, and I can't remember any of that.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Okay, Well, are these just three things that you've kind
of taken and held on to and said, well, you know,
I'm not gonna study anymore or no, no, okay.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Because I've been studying compared to religion and human mythos
for probably fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Now.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Okay, Well, I would recommend going back and read this
because you'll love this part. He says to them, I
and the boy will return. Now, if he was going
to kill him doesn't make sense. But what does make
sense is either this is a man who won knows
that his God would never call him to kill his
child or two, that his that if he did kill him,
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God would resurrect him either way. He had a different
mentality than you might have today. That he knew he
was so faithful. He said, I and the boy are
going to return. Why would you say that if you
were going to go do something like that? And if
you if you go through all of those examples, you're
talking about the purification of a people, not the ratification.
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If it was to eradicate, God would have eradicated. But
it was about the purification. Now, now you may not
understand that, but you know, uh, my producer Neil doesn't
understand why people dress up their their dogs.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
It. But the purification of a people is that it
is that? Is that a loving thing to do?
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yes, it is, but not Here's the thing. You can't
steal your your own property, Rob, So it depends on
who the person is, even though the act is exactly
the same. So although there are things that you can't do, Rob,
you can't expect people to worship you either. You can't
have proper jealousy. God can. God can have righteous jealousy.
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You cannot. So there are things that God can do
that you can't. And anthropomorphically, Rob, if you try and
apply human attributes to God the Father and say well
God can't do this or what have you, then you're
gonna end up running into problems. But God is not
just a bigger you. God is outside of those rules
that you adhere to and does things righteously, not without
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agenda other than perfection. So that's where man and God differ.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Jesus, Just Dean.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
In my search for the truth, I want to know
where if you know, God so loved man, and I
am a believer. But how come he created so many
things animals and dinosaurs and things like that for millions
of gazillions a year before man even shows up on Earth?
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And two, how do Adam and Eve fit in? As
you know, we have found fossils and remains of like
cavemen Neanderthals that weren't even walking upright and then they were.
How does that work? How does that fit in.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
With the local scripture?
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Well, a lot of the dinosaur stuff will focus on
in just a second, But as far as Neanderthals go,
there there's a lot of misconception and misunderstanding about Neanderthals
and what they were. And there's a lot of fabrications
and garbage that came out that people still think like
Lucy or Piltdown Man, Java Man, Nebraska Man, all these
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that we have been proven to either be hoaxes, misidentified whatever.
So there's a lot of garbage out there that people
still kind of, you know, hold on to thinking that
that they have all these missing links and evidence. Well,
the reason why they refer to them as missing links
is because they don't have them. They have pieces of things,
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and they have bone structures that are in every way,
shape or form. They might be slightly different looking, but
there has been no discovery of any of these so
called Neanderthals that where their anatomy, when looked at, honestly
comes to any conclusion that states that the motion, the
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type of manipulation, the intellectual capacity, the capacity for language,
or any of these things were inferior to human beings
as you know them today. There's even you can find
stories about scientists going back and forth about the size
of the nose of Neanderthals because they look large, and
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yet it would have been much colder than by their calculations,
and it doesn't make sense to have large noses and
the cold and all these different things. They're still battling
as to what these things mean, but ultimately you can
find people even today with similar bone structures as those
of these so called Neanderthals. So really there's a lot
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more to it than just how fits in scripture. There's
a lot of questions as to how it fits into science,
and since it's a forensic science and what they're doing
with the data at hand and how they're interpreting it,
it's very easy, Dean for someone to go and look
at scripture and dismiss it and say, well, that's left
up to interpretation. But a good scientist will tell you
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that by the very nature of observational science, which is
what science is, it's observing what's there or what has
happened in the past and concluding that it will happen
again that way or that slight variations will be made
depending on different interactions. That when it comes to a
past singular event or something that took place that won't
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take place again, just like a murder or a crime scene,
that they have to trace back in reverse and try
and understand the information in reverse. And when it comes
to things like the Neanderthal, there's a mess of speculation
and doesn't mean there aren't bones, and it doesn't mean
there aren't bones that worth that are you know, worth
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studying and looking into. But imagine this. If you were
to find certain types of bones, let's say bones from
the elephant man or something like that, and you were
to assume that that was the entirety of that race
or that people it would be a false assumption. And
to say that they've found bones and this has to
(04:24):
be Man because of X, Y, and Z is not
necessarily a fair statement as well. And there's much more
to it than that. I just think that there's a
lot that gets kind of assumed in these questions and
people don't question it because it has a scientific bent
(04:45):
to it. So people feel like you're going to look
like the stupid Christian who is questioning science and all
of those things, and that's just it's not fair. There
are many things in science that change often. Evolution is
one of them that changes often because there's no definitive
(05:06):
answer and there's constant new information coming in that makes
them go, Okay, this was wrong. Just like many of
those original finds that I mentioned. When it comes to
a lot of those original finds, Puilt Down Man, Lucy
Java Man, Nebraska Man, these types of things, it took
a while for it to come out that many of
them were hoaxes, or they were this one skull cap
(05:29):
mixed with a different jaw, and sure, you combine these
together and you have problems. Just like the Bronosaurus, which
doesn't exist anymore because it was science putting the wrong
head on the wrong body. And so those things happen,
and it doesn't mean you should throw science out. Science
is not the enemy of faith in any way, shape
(05:53):
or form. But it's to understand them in their context. Now,
how do they play a part in scripture? Well, first,
I would argue that the Neanderthal didn't exist in the
sense that modern day science continues to say that it did,
and that there's no evidence for it to exist in
that way. The cave dwelling in the same way, did
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humans live in caves? Absolutely, You can go to Israel
today and see caves. I was born in one, essentially.
So there are those that confused the concept of that
type of cave dwelling and they say, well, what about
the paintings on walls, Well, there's painting on walls today.
(06:34):
It's really looking into that attitude. There's this sense of
attitude this comes along with evolution and the concept of
evolution that you are better than people that came prior.
There's a strange form of arrogance that comes with looking
at the pyramids and some of the ancient discoveries and
(06:56):
modern man continues, go, they couldn't have done it. They
just couldn't have done it because obviously they were dumber
than us and didn't have microchips and didn't have the
proper leveraging systems and all. But says who, Now, of
course they didn't have microchips. But to say that they
were just because they were technologically simpler, that they weren't
(07:18):
as equally as intelligent or couldn't come up with ways
to do it would be wrong, because they did come
up with ways to do it. So so amazing are
the ways that they did that people continue to this
day try and say, well, it was flying saucers and
spacemen and all these things. Anyways, So having said that,
(07:39):
I will tell you that there are different arguments by
different people, theologians and like that, as to whether dinosaurs
are mentioned in scripture. Some feel that in Job forty
and forty one dinosaurs are mentioned by way of the
Leafayatin and the Bohemoit. So it is on your interpretation
(08:01):
and understanding of those context. There's nothing wrong to say
that if Job isn't speaking about dinosaurs, that they played
a part of some purpose that wasn't a wasn't necessarily
known or isn't known today, so it doesn't play a
part in the narrative of scripture because it's not important
(08:21):
to the narrative of scripture, just like every single person
isn't important in the narrative. Scripture talks about certain people
because they help understand and paint the lineage of humankind
and help teach principles that God wants to teach, but
not everything's in there doesn't specifically talk about everything that
(08:46):
was created. It says in scripture that there were creatures created,
great and small. There's a lot that can fit in
there if you allow it to. Mary Louise, you there.
I'm well, I'm glad you turned down that radio and
you are present. How can I help you?
Speaker 4 (09:03):
I didn't have the radio on. Honestly, I think the
devil just didn't want me to get a.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
Hold of you.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Oh boy, well, we'll just cast him out and continue on.
How can I help you?
Speaker 4 (09:13):
I'm really curious. I was speaking to someone from a
Catholic university and the discussion came up of artificial insemination,
and I was under the impression that that was a
good thing. When somebody wants to have children and they
can't have it on their own that to populate the
world with more of us, so to speak. And I
(09:34):
was surprised when she told me it was supposed to
be sinful, and I go, WHOA, what do you mean
because it's artificial? And I said, well, in a way,
didn't Jesus himself get boring because he was artificially insiminated.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I mean, whether it was dumb, my daughter, that's a
tiny bit of a stretch, but there is a way.
I think. I think it's good that you're at least
thinking through it and coming up with arguments. Well, this
program doesn't necessarily focus on a particular church's doctrine. We
look at them as a whole, and thankfully we've got
(10:13):
Catholics and Protestants that listen as well as skeptics and
atheists and Jews and Muslims and everyone else in between.
So but we still focus on what Scripture has to
say and truth. So when it comes to artificial insemination,
I think that the Catholic Church has their dogma and
you have to also understand that just because someone who
(10:34):
says they're Catholic, or even somebody who's at a Catholic
university says that that's wrong doesn't necessarily mean that's where
the Catholic Church stands officially. So that's first source you
should go to is find out where the Catholic Church,
if you are Catholic, stands officially. However, I will say
this that if someone tells you because it says artificial
(10:55):
in it, that it's bad is ridiculous. Is really a
silly argument. And I hope they're not drinking any milk
or eating any bacon, because most livestock are bread by
way of artificial ascemination, so that it might be artificial
meat or artificial milk they're eating or drinking, and that
could be a problem in their view. Now that does
(11:18):
that mean that every use of artificial incimination is good?
Certainly not. However, the concept of it being artificial is silly.
It just is. It's like saying that God doesn't want
you to cross this divide because there's no bridge, and
any bridge you make would be a man made bridge,
which would be artificial. It wouldn't be of the mountain itself,
and therefore you shouldn't cross it. And that's just that's
(11:42):
not a fair statement that throws out much of medicine.
They should never take any antibiotics or anything like that,
or any synthetic medicines or it just it opens up
a whole wealth of problems. It doesn't mean that it
can't be misused. It doesn't mean that there aren't some
moral issues if it's applied in certain ways, but as
(12:03):
a whole, as a concept or as a need, absolutely not.
There are there are people who want to have children
that have some issues that you know, are married and
they want to have a child, and it can be done. John,
Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Good morning, Jesus.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Hi John, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I wanted to run something by you, Yes, sir. About
twenty five years ago, I was a victim of an
attempted homicide. A guy stole my wallet, ripped me open,
Oh good, and I ended up being clinically dead for
a couple of minutes. Soon and I had an out
of body experience and in that I met an angel
and I thought, you know, when I saw him, I
(12:48):
said you must be Gabriel because he was just like
so glorious and he was like, no, I'm just you know,
you run in the mill angel. Anyways, nicolong story short,
I saw the gates of Heaven, and I saw the
gates of Hell. And then when I came to at
the Marine base because out of the Navy at the time,
the guy tried to stole my wallet or whatever. So
(13:11):
for a long time I didn't tell anybody about it
because I thought if I'd say anything to anybody, who
would just take out his nuts. Right, And so now
about coming up on three years. So as a matter
of fact, kind of ironic, on Easter Sunday, I survived
six heart attacks and open heart surgery all on one day.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
And I you know, when I got out.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Of surgery and survived it and stuff, everybody around me
seemed like I was supposed to be like grateful and happy,
you know, after it happened, and that was the total opposite.
I was just like, I guess, you know, I just
started running, like you know, memory running. You know, I
(13:57):
just wanted to, like, you know, run away from the
situation and everything that's going on. And so now it's
the point where you know, I've got coronary art or disease.
They told me I only got a couple more years
to live, and so I'm sitting here, you know, I've
lost everything. My wife left me over it, and like
I'm living in my truck and I'm just like kind
(14:20):
of lost, and I'm kind of like thinking of myself.
You know. Well, the first place that I have is
I don't know what the Bible says about if there
are such things as a guardian angel. And the second
thing is I'm like thinking to myself, you know, what
do I do in this situation with what time I
(14:40):
got left?
Speaker 5 (14:41):
You know?
Speaker 2 (14:42):
You know, I'm just kind of like I'm lost. I
don't know, you know what I'm going to do? You
know where I'm going to go? You know, I'm just
kind of like the left fields.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
You know what day to day, aren't you? John?
Speaker 6 (14:57):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yeah, yeah, that's It's obviously the story that you tell
is horrific. I mean, all the accounts of it being
mugged and left for dead, and all the ailments and
things that have gone on in your life since sound
equally as horrible. You're definitely in a situation that calls
(15:24):
for intense and deep faith. Now I will put that
on hold for one second to answer your theology question,
and then we'll go back to it. As far as
angels are concerned, or our guardian angels are concerned. There's
nothing in scripture that says everyone has a guardian angel. However,
(15:46):
scripture is clear that that angels do guard over believers
most definitely and oversee things in the world in general.
And one verse that is used quite often to talk
about or to point to, guardian angels is Matthew eighteen
ten that says, see that you do not look down
(16:08):
on one of these little ones, for I tell you
that their angel, they are angels in heaven. Always see
the face of my Father in heaven. And people go
back and forth as to what little ones is referring to.
People go back and forth on what their angel the
term their angels in heaven, and really most most theologians
(16:33):
believe that it's not about having a specific angel. It's
about having angels overlook the things that go on around
your life as a whole. So there's nothing you can find.
I know, these concept of guardian angels have become very popular,
and there's books about it and all these things, but
really scripture doesn't say much on that concept. It really
(16:55):
is more about that God is in control. Angels are
messengers and God uses them uh as he needs them
between heaven and earth. But as far as what you're
going through, which is what I'm concerned about right this moment,
is all of these things are happening to you, and
you you sound like you're you're incredibly strong under the circumstances.
(17:18):
Are you asking me what your next step is or
what you should do with the time that you have left?
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yeah, because I just I I have no doubt that,
I have no doubt that you know that you're looking
for my savior, my Lord and Savior. And the thing is,
I find myself I don't want to. I was brought up,
and I was brought up where you let you actually
speak so loud, no one hears you talking. I kind
of when I see people, you know, with the you
(17:46):
stick on the corner with the with the signs, and
the guys protesting in front of borts and clinics and
stuff like that, or people that go around confessing that
they're they're Christian. To me, just you know, there's a
verse in the bibble and maybe you can correct me
if I'm wronging, so that shall not be a hypocrite
and praise my name in the streets.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
You know, well, yes, it's speaking about those that would pray.
Part of it ties into what we spoke about earlier
in Matthew that there were those that would pray and
go out in the street to pray and so that
everyone could see them, but they were as hypocrites and
rather than you know, doing it in private and being
(18:27):
you know, spending time with God and knowing that God
sees those things. In Matthew six ' two, so I
agree with you that is to live in a way
nobe ever goes, oh, that guy's a crazy Christian because
he does good things. And if you live in a
way that inspires other people, it makes your life value.
(18:48):
You're already ahead of the game, even though that you've
had a rough road. No one's going to deny that, John,
you've had a rough road.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
But the thing that I remember distinctly is when I
was at the gates of Hell. And it wasn't until
a couple of years later that I met somebody and
he had this summer in the Bible just describes the
gates at Hell, and its just it was like dead on,
you know. And the one thing I remember was like
his iron plaid gates almost and he was like a dead,
(19:20):
dead fig tree. And what was ironic because as I
saw somebody at that gate, and it turned out that
when I came out of the common and went home
on a medical league, I found out that this guy
that I grew up with was running from the law
and he ended up getting in an accident and he
(19:41):
got captiated by a road sciences on the motorcycle. Anyways,
and I'll never forget to look on his face. Its
just like absolute fear. But I remember the one thing
I remember sensing was there was a complete absence of
all hope. And I don't know, I'm just kind.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
Of like confused because I know that you know the
type of lifestyle that I live, I think I live.
Maybe you know I crammed in three free lifetimes in
a short time I been here.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
You know, well the good the good thing, John, I
know that there's a lot of circumstances going on in
your life. I know that you're that there's different emotions
that go with the you know what they're telling you,
the length of time you have, all these things, all
the horrific things you've experienced, it doesn't change anything. And
I want to really focus this, uh. And I appreciate
(20:35):
you that that you've been so honest with your call
as well. But I want to bring it back that
nothing changes if you have one hundred years on this planet,
if you have one hundred minutes on this planet, it's
always going to be the same. We've said on the
show over and over again that the the meaning of
(20:57):
life is simply this, to utilize your gifts and abilities
along lines of excellence, to the edification of others, to
the edification of yourself, to the glory of God. That
doesn't change at any time for any reason. As ugly
(21:20):
as things may have been for you, John, and the
path that you've been on was a rocky one and
continues to be that you always live by the attitude
that you have. I love that you say that your
action should speak so loudly that people can't even hear
you talking. That if you live in a way that
(21:40):
inspires others, that if you live in a way that
shows what you believe rather than just telling somebody what
you believe, then you're doing it right. And that doesn't change.
And it's a sad thought to think that there is
a limit that seems so tangible when it gets down
(22:02):
to years and someone telling you you, oh, you have
this disease, You only have x amount of years to live.
But it doesn't change the game.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
I know.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Emotionally, it makes you think, well, what am I doing?
Am I doing the right thing? Am I going through this?
Am I going through that? But ultimately the game doesn't
change at all. And if you think about the things
that you do in life when you're young, one of
the biggest problems is that as people get older, they
(22:37):
tend to start changing the game because of fears. Well,
I'm not as young as I used to be, so
I don't want to start over all these things, and
so you end up muting your abilities. The game doesn't
need to change. Doesn't mean that you shouldn't be wise
and think about the time and be prudent. But what
(23:02):
I want from you, John, is the same thing I've
always wanted from you, to serve me to live a
life that is God centered, that glorifies God, that will
teach and inspire others to want to know about God.
And that doesn't change now. As a matter of fact,
you've inspired people just by telling your story. Then there
(23:24):
will be those that roll their eyes about the near
death experience and all those things. And why don't you
talk more about this and talk about this and new people.
I don't want to get into that theology right now.
What I want to do is just talk to you
John and explain that all of those experiences you've been
through in life have brought you to today and made
you who you are. You continue to walk from this
(23:46):
day forward, however, many days that might be glorifying God
in very real and tangible ways that will move, teach
and inspire Rob. Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
Yeah, say hi, hi, Hi Jesus. I got a I
got an issue with the whole concept of God is good.
I'm gonna I'm gonna talk about the flood first, Okay,
you tried to kill humanity with a flood. And then
Abraham's son what kind of what kind of life did
(24:27):
eleven year old have after his dad tried to stick
a knife in his chest? Angel an angel, stop the
hand before it plunged into his chest. And then Sodom
and Gomorrah. I mean, I just I cannot. I can't
imagine praising a god who who does these horrible evil things.
I mean, can can you help me?
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Can you help me to well?
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Well, I hope, but really that's going to be up
to you. Those are all excellent examples. However, they are
partial examples of a bigger picture if you look at
it as a concept of purification and testing the character
of an individual so they can see it, not so
God can see it. God always sees the character of
the individual. But as you're talking about with with Abraham,
(25:17):
and if you read that, he says, what before he
goes up the hill? He tells those men? What does
he tell them before he goes up that hill to
allegedly kill.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
His to be told, I don't have a Bible in
front of me, and I can't remember any of that.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Okay, Well, are these just three things that you've kind
of taken and held on to and said, well, you know,
I'm not gonna study anymore or no, no, okay.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Because I've been studying compared to religion and human mythos
for probably fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Now.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Okay, Well, I would recommend going back and read this
because you'll love this part. He says to them, I
and the boy will return. Now, if he was going
to kill him doesn't make sense. But what does make
sense is either this is a man who won knows
that his God would never call him to kill his
child or two, that his that if he did kill him,
(26:12):
God would resurrect him either way. He had a different
mentality than you might have today. That he knew he
was so faithful. He said, I and the boy are
going to return. Why would you say that if you
were going to go do something like that? And if
you if you go through all of those examples, you're
talking about the purification of a people, not the ratification.
(26:32):
If it was to eradicate, God would have eradicated. But
it was about the purification. Now, now you may not
understand that, but you know, uh, my producer Neil doesn't
understand why people dress up their their dogs.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
It. But the purification of a people is that it
is that? Is that a loving thing to do?
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yes, it is, but not Here's the thing. You can't
steal your your own property, Rob, So it depends on
who the person is, even though the act is exactly
the same. So although there are things that you can't do, Rob,
you can't expect people to worship you either. You can't
have proper jealousy. God can. God can have righteous jealousy.
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You cannot. So there are things that God can do
that you can't. And anthropomorphically, Rob, if you try and
apply human attributes to God the Father and say well
God can't do this or what have you, then you're
gonna end up running into problems. But God is not
just a bigger you. God is outside of those rules
that you adhere to and does things righteously, not without
(27:34):
agenda other than perfection. So that's where man and God differ.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
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