November 24, 2024 • 29 mins
Watching the Process of Dying
What Happens to Prople Who Die Early
What Happens to Prople Who Die Early
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to KFI A six on demand. Ernie, thank
you for being so patient. Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Good morning. My name is Ernie and I from Los Angeles.
Yesterday I experienced a death in the family. My granddaddy
passed away at one hundred and two. Now, throughout the
last four or five days, I was at the hospital,
comforting him, making him feel as comfortable as I can.
My question is the dying process was very difficult for
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me because of him. His kidneys were going now and
his lungs were flaring up. Everything is just shutting down
in his body. My question is why it takes so
long for God to comfort him.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Well, I understand that question comes from a very emotional
place and rightly so. As you watch someone like that
go through that process of decay and death, it's incredibly painful.
But you have to look at the overall scheme of things.
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Some people might ask, my goodness, he lived to one
hundred and two. There's a lot of living in there,
and there's many people that would love that extra twenty
maybe thirty years than what they got. So there's a
lot of questions. But keep in mind that you are
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brought into this world by the pain of someone else,
and you'll leave this world in your own pain. And
both of these, both of these truths are to be
seen in their proper context. And if you want some
specific philosophical reason as to why your one hundred and
two year old grandfather suffered for twenty eight days or
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so while in the hospital, I don't know that I'm
going to be able to give you one, or at
least one that would satisfy you. But I will tell
you there is always a purpose and there's things to
be learned, whether it's the questions that you're asking now,
whether it's the process of understanding that life is temporal
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and there is pain involved. There is also the understanding
of pain and suffering and what kind of purpose it
has not only on the individual, but the people around them.
If this is not the first time your grandfather suffered, now,
this may have been the last time, but it wasn't
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the first time. People suffer throughout their lives, and I
guarantee a person of one hundred and two years of
age has gone through a lot of suffering in their
life and seen a lot of things both worldwide and
in their own lives. So suffering is one of those
things that people kind of want to run from, and
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it really is part of the process. I say throughout scripture, Listen,
You're going to suffer. I suffered. You're going to suffer.
It's going to be a part of being human. Now
it makes more sense when you see someone kind of
suffer and then go on with their life and maybe
grow from that suffering or understand it when it comes
at the end. It's a legitimate question. You look around
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Ernie and you go, well, what can be learned of it?
He's dying, where is he taking that? And the best
way to explain it is that your life is a
refining process. It is a path that God has you
on to refine you unto the moment of death for heaven.
And whether there was something more to be learned by
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your grandfather, something more to be learned by you and
the others around him, is for God to know and
explain when you stand before him. Because the entire process
of refinement and the if you look at and think
of it as metal being refined, it's heated to an
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intense degree to where all the dirt and imperfections come
to the surface, and then the blacksmith will scrape the
dross off the top and continue to heat it up
again and continue to do that until it's as pure
as possible. And life is the same way. And in
that process, even unto death, that process is going on,
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that process of refinement and understanding. And whether your grandfather
could say it or not, or was experiencing something, you
don't know. It's between him and his maker and the
things that are going on in the learning process that
is taking place goes on to the moment of death,
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and it should not be assumed otherwise. Yet it's never
going to be easy to watch. It wasn't easy to
watch when he would suffer in life, let alone suffer
in death.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
That's correct. Thank you so much to help me understand
a lot better.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
You're welcome and you go in peace with that, Ernie.
I'm sorry for your loss. I think that as a
wonderful celebration of a life. One hundred and two years
is an amazing an amount of time, and to live
and to touch countless of lives yourself one hundred and
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two years, including the life of his grandson. You, Ernie,
who had to watch that, And I'm sorry for that
pain in the sense that I understand what it feels
like and looks like to be around it. However, the biggest,
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the biggest part of the picture is that there's more
to it than that pain, and that pain is actually
points to the preciousness of life and the importance of
life and the vibrancy of life. Otherwise that pain wouldn't matter.
It only matters because life is precious and people are precious,
and the time that you have here, whether it's seventy
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eighty ninety or one hundred and two years, is precious.
And even in that suffering, I know the world is
kind of trying to go to this place where nobody
should suffer. But I say in scripture, you will suffer
as I have suffered. And it has a purpose, all
of it, whether you know it or not, whether you
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learn it or not. The purpose in this case might
have been for your grandfather, might have been for you,
might have been for others. But all suffering has a purpose,
if for nothing else than to understand that it will happen,
and that God said it will happen. Jessica, Welcome to
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the Jesus Christ Show. Hello, Hi Jessica, Hi, how can
I help you?
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yes, I have a kind of question of guarding my husband.
We've been married for like eleven years now and we
have two children, and occasionally he will not occasionally, it's
been pretty often where he likes to he's an alcoholic
and he likes to drink. And it's getting to the
point where I don't let him watch each other while
I'm at work anymore, and he kind of bullies them
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and he's just a whole different person, and I just
he's apologized many times, but I'm just still set up
that I don't know what to do because it's just
it's like black and white with him. He can be
so normal and then they could totally change them around.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
It's just, yeah, alcohol can do that. This what's his
what's his alcoholic choice by the way, beer? Yeah, beer, okay?
And how much would you say he drinks on an
average day?
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Well, recently it's just well sometimes it's once a week,
sometimes it's a couple of times a week or every
other week.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
And is it a six pack that he drinks? Is
a twelve pack that he drinks in one sitting?
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Maybe three or four? Take too much?
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Okay? And has he ever been through a program? Has
he ever been to AA or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
No, just through cold order. But he didn't. He just
went because you.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Know I had to. Oh he's been court ordered in
the past. Yeah, and why did that come about? Did
he get a duy or what happened?
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Yeah, he has several do you wuys? He just felt
like he had to go.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Wow. So that puts uh, that puts you in a
pretty horrible position. What is your question for me this morning?
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Just your advice on whether what to do because it's
just like, I feel like he's done with another child
that I'm taken care of and he just accept a
lot of my energy.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
And has he ever hit you or the children? Yes?
You or the children are both.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Me but like he like tries to teach him how
to buy when he's strong, but it's just not safe.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Oh wow, sure, I understand. It's the most important thing
is that you protect yourself and those children. And if
you feel it's an unsafe environment, or you feel that
he's violent or that he has a problem, you can
give him the ultimatum to take care of it or
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that you're gonna go. Yeah. You you can't just sit
there and wait till something happens. Ugly. If he's a
good man outside of that situation, then you need to
do everything in your power to get him outside of
that situation. And that is whether it's an ultimatum or
what have you. If if you think that an ultimatum
would throw him into rage, then you need to get
out of that that and he has a severe problem,
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and it sounds like he knows he does, and he's
wrestling with it, and he needs to get somewhere where
somebody can help him go through the process. But don't
put yourself and those children in danger. Because you are
the sober one. You have the ability to see what's
going on, and that makes you accountable to make sure
it doesn't happen. Jeff, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Hello, Hi, Jeff.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
I my question surround the purpose of life. I guess specifically,
I was trying to get an idea of life for us,
and you can tell me if I'm wrong. Seems to be,
you know, a time to have relationship with you and
a time to learn lessons, and you know, learn the
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things that we need to mature and handle life situations
effect effectively. And I guess the question for me comes
up what happens to people that die early, because if
that's kind of the purpose of life, what happens with
them when they're when they don't have that kind of
an opportunity And is that knowledge just imparted to them
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or do they have to go through something later to
kind of learn the lessons that we learn to become
more mature Christians and be able to to uh, you know,
because after life is supposed to be perfect, so obviously
the people at that time, you know, probably respond to
things a lot better than they do here on you know,
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here on earth.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
That's a great question, and there there there's different theories.
I love the way you think though. The way you
structured that question, I think is the proper way to
come about it. And but think of it this way.
Not everybody needs the same amount of training. Let's say
you go to a gym and physically there's going to
be some people that need to work harder to get
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the same results as somebody who's genetically predisposed and has
the ability to go in there and really tighten their
body up quickly. Right, So people are at different levels physically, correct, Okay, okay,
So people are at different levels spiritually as well, and
so someone may need the time that it takes to
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go through all of the learning situations, all the things
that you mentioned here on earth, and some may need less.
That is one theory. When we return, I'll tell you
some more. We have just a little bit of time.
If you do have a question, I don't know that
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we'll be able to get to it, so I won't
give the phone numbers. We'll deal with what we have
on the board. Right now. We were actually chatting with Jeff.
He was asking about people that die early. If life
is about progressing, learning, understanding, then if someone dies early,
what does that mean. So you're back with us, Jeff,
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I am, thank you. So the first one I shared
with you is one of the theories that the belief is.
As I talked about different people with physical ability going
to a gym, there are some that are are going
to get built more quickly, and there's some that are
going to take longer. And there are those that theorize
that someone that gets taken early doesn't need as much
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time here, and then there's people that poo poo that,
And quite honestly, it is the belief of this program
that it's about being accountable for the time that you have,
not having enough time to become accountable. So if somebody
gets taken early, it's about what they do with that
information of that time. Obviously, if they're very very young,
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they're not conflicting with any of those things, but they're
all so not stepping in the same traps that pull
them away from God in the same way. In the
same sense, younger people are more adaptive and connected to
God than people who become cynical or go through different
stages of their life as they get older. So in
that sense, I think is a big picture thing that
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there are those that it's really about where you are
being accountable for where you are in that moment, rather
than Gosh, if I only had ten more days, I
could get this right, that's not what you're being judged against.
So everyone has the lessons that they need to know
or the things that they need to know, and for
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however long you live, you're going to be going through
different lessons. But that doesn't mean if you have a
shorter life you're not getting lessons or understanding or connecting
with God in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Okay, well, it seems like there'd be a difference there
because young people say, if they were eight years years old,
wouldn't be learning things that they need to learn. And
you would have to do that to have the perfection
that heaven is supposed to be our life here on earth,
you would have to have some sort of way of
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learning to be able to respond in a different way.
Or maybe I'm just not understanding what happened.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
No, an eight year old doesn't have the conflict either.
The eight year old is not going up against all
of the philosophical conflicts with the concept they believe. There's
a wonderful magician who was a friend of the show.
He passed away, and his name was Dean Dill, and
he was a beautiful man and a Christian, and he
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taught magic to all kinds of people, including people like
Johnny Carson and the like, and was believed to be
a magician's magician and did parties and all kinds of
things like that. And he was asked to do a
party for a five year old one time, and in
a conversation with my producer Neil, he said that he
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turned it down. My producer Neil asked him why, and
he said, because at five, everything's already magic. The kids
aren't surprised because everything's already magical. There hasn't been any cynicism,
there hasn't been anything that has pressed through their life
to change that from who they are, so they're already
in that state. So the process of learning on this
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earth is an important one, but it's also learning about
love and connectivity and things like that, and that comes
in different stages in different ways for different people. And
it doesn't mean that if you're here till eighty years
that there's still things you need to learn to get
into heaven. What it means is as long as you're
on this planet, you should be learning. It's not like
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you graduate, you pass. I know, we talk about that.
My producer Neil even used that term that someone graduates
to heaven. That's that next step. But it's not about
fulfilling a number of classes or things like that. That's
not what it's about at all. It's about however long
you're here to continue to learn and connect with God
throughout these things. Heaven is going to be a different
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place in a different way. But God. The belief is
is if you are connecting with God in this world
with everything pulling you away, that you will get a
clear picture and a connection with God and when you're
in heaven. But those things are individual and different based
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on you know, the person that's going through them, So
it don't think of it as you know, a syllabus
and a class and you've got to check these certain
things off. If you are alive at a certain time
in your life, yes you should be doing those things,
but you don't need them to be a whole person
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in any way, shape or form. So somebody that passes
away younger are still a whole person in an in
every way, shape or form, and have been tested in
one way or another to show their beliefs or their understanding.
It's about Remember, it's about acceptance or rejection. It's not
about ignorance. So it's about being accountable for what you
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do know, not for what you don't know. Pam, Welcome
to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Hi.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (18:24):
I am well? How are you well?
Speaker 5 (18:25):
I mean great? This question is bigger than myself. I'll
do my best to ask it. I'm a little naive
in the word, but I'm a big believer in you.
So my question is, how does the possibility of life
in other galaxies? Working with the scripture of God created
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the heavens on the earth. I mean, because there's science
and there God's word solution. It just that whole area
can kind of confuse me, and it's interesting at the
same time kind of get a sense of what I'm asking.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
So you are about life on other planets or about well, like, how.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Does how does it figure into scripture and working with
the theory of evolution versus God creating the heavens and
the earth. And you said science is perfect, but scientists aren't.
And I like the science idea of evolution. Yeah, but
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I'm also in the beliefs that God created heavens.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
In the earth.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Well, there's I want to explain, there's something else. There's mishmash. Yeah,
there's stuff that people tie together. There is something called
theistic evolution. This show doesn't focus a whole lot on that.
My producer, Neil is not a huge fan of it,
because you have to unders there's that evolution is a theory.
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And I know that you'll get some people now going, oh, yeah,
but theoretically blah blah blah. I say that because there
is not one form of evolution. There's not an agreement
that scientists have come to. There are parts of it
that they have come to and that they believe took place.
But there isn't one theory of evolution, and most your
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average everyday person is ignorant of that. They use the
term and they don't usually even know what it means.
There are many theories as to what took place, how
it took place, why it took place, where it took place.
So and you're dealing with special and general types of evolution,
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So don't get confused. Don't confused adaptation with evolution, okay.
Adaptation is that within its own kind, things can change.
For instance, if you put umans in a cave and
they lived in the darkness, they would adapt by modifying
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the ability of their skin, you know, the skin. They
would lose the melanin or it would go to very
small levels. Their eyes would probably glaze over, the muscles
would weaken, and they wouldn't use them or need them anymore.
So there's things where you know, you see this skin color.
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There's only one color of skin. There's only one color
of humanity, and that's melanin. And there are people with
more of it and people with less of it, but
there's only one color. There's only one true race, the
human race, and any modifications of nose, eyelids, hair, things
like that are adaptations. They're not evolutionary breaks. There's no
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group that's less than or better than evolutionarily in humanity.
There's adaptations within that grain group. For areas, the Inuit
people will have a little more fatty tissue above their
eyes to keep them warm in in very cold environments.
Things like that. That's adaptation. Evolution is if one thing
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jumps a kind or a phylum and becomes something else,
and that's a whole different thing. So there's there's no
Christian there shouldn't be that doesn't believe in adaptation. That
would be silly. People adapt all the time, but within
different phylums or jumping or branching from one place, you know,
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single celled, you know, amba jumping to becoming a fish,
becoming a turtle, becoming a lizard, becoming a human. That's
a different concept. So it depends where you land on
that and what your belief is of that. As I said,
I think it's once every five years there is a
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a council of sort where scientists get together to discuss
the concept of evolution. So it's not something that they
have landed completely on. And this is like, this is
the model because it changes. The original model by Charles
Darwin does not exist. It never exists, never panned out.
So there's different models that are based on that throughout
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the years, and it depends what you land on as
to whether it would fit in scripture. Some of it
fits absolutely, but in Genesis when it talks about creation,
it's talking about building or creating animals unto their kind,
which means they wouldn't cross violins, so that there's a
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hard place to bring that into scripture. But there are
other adaptations and things like that that wouldn't conflict with
scripture anyway perform.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Okay, so life on other planets, if that were to
be true.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Now life on other planets is a different story because
now you get into the problem of salvation. So because
I came, and I even said, I'm glad that I
came as a human and not as an angel, because
I'm here to redeem mankind. Right, So now you would
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have the problem if life was on other planets. It
is it human? If it's human, is it sinful? If
it's not sinful? Why if it is sinful? Then it
needs to be redeemed. If it needs to be redeemed, now,
how is it going to be redeemed? Do I go
to every planet and become like them, to redeem them
and dine in across or somehow on every single planet?
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Did my death on this planet cover other planets? It
opens up a lot of questions that are i I think,
highly problematic for Christianity. And if they found life like
humanity not just well it looks like there's some you know,
watermarks on this planet, but real genuine life. Hello, how
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are you take me to your leader life? There could
be significant problems with Christianity, and I know a lot
of people don't want to face that, and a lot
of people that love our buddy George Nori and all
that might think differently. But that's that's the theological reality.
I know that on talk radio you hear all kinds
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of things throughout the week. They can bring it down
or be heavy stuff. But I hope this show is
a respite, a place where you can gather sanctuary for
your thoughts and for ideas of growth and inspiration. I
just ask one thing of you. I asked this of
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you during this time of year, to focus in on
each other. And I don't mean just your immediate family,
but your neighbors and the people around you, and find
that time that place of courtesy, like go above and
beyond to be courteous to each other, whether it's on
the roads or at the grocery store, whatever it is,
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do just a little bit extra and show those lines
of hope and those those opportunities to say, hey, we're
all in this together right as humans, you need to
connect with one another and to show that love to
one another. God sees that. God wants you to do it.
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God asks you to count all things joy, James One,
to consider it pure joy whenever whenever you face trials.
I know you're going through things now first Thessalonians five eighteen.
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To give thanks an all circumstance, and to find that
peace during the holiday season, no matter which the holiday
you may be celebrating. To find that peace to be
a conduit of joy and happiness and hope. And in
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that and in that hope it spreads. I assure you,
like a wildfire, bringing people peace, pointing them in a direction,
helping them out somewhere, whatever it may be, go the
extra mile, push forward, doing things, and that's what brings
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consistency and happiness, every single individual coming together and saying, hey,
I'm going to look out for you, you look out
for me. I'm going to help you out you help me,
and be there for each other. It's as corny as
it may seem. I know you hear a lot of
people yelling and screaming into this very microphone. But I
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will tell you that what I'm telling you now is
at the center of it all. How you treat one
another and how you produce and perpetuate hope. That's the
only thing that's going to help. Otherwise you can scream
to your red in the face, nothing's going to change.
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So do that. Find ways to help people to do
nice things, to be kind, to reassure people, to be
loving no matter who they are, agree or disagree any
of that stuff, and the world will be a better place,
I assure you. And remember these simple words. I am
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with you always. KFI AM six forty on demand
You're listening to KFI A six on demand. Ernie, thank
you for being so patient. Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Good morning. My name is Ernie and I from Los Angeles.
Yesterday I experienced a death in the family. My granddaddy
passed away at one hundred and two. Now, throughout the
last four or five days, I was at the hospital,
comforting him, making him feel as comfortable as I can.
My question is the dying process was very difficult for
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me because of him. His kidneys were going now and
his lungs were flaring up. Everything is just shutting down
in his body. My question is why it takes so
long for God to comfort him.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Well, I understand that question comes from a very emotional
place and rightly so. As you watch someone like that
go through that process of decay and death, it's incredibly painful.
But you have to look at the overall scheme of things.
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Some people might ask, my goodness, he lived to one
hundred and two. There's a lot of living in there,
and there's many people that would love that extra twenty
maybe thirty years than what they got. So there's a
lot of questions. But keep in mind that you are
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brought into this world by the pain of someone else,
and you'll leave this world in your own pain. And
both of these, both of these truths are to be
seen in their proper context. And if you want some
specific philosophical reason as to why your one hundred and
two year old grandfather suffered for twenty eight days or
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so while in the hospital, I don't know that I'm
going to be able to give you one, or at
least one that would satisfy you. But I will tell
you there is always a purpose and there's things to
be learned, whether it's the questions that you're asking now,
whether it's the process of understanding that life is temporal
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and there is pain involved. There is also the understanding
of pain and suffering and what kind of purpose it
has not only on the individual, but the people around them.
If this is not the first time your grandfather suffered, now,
this may have been the last time, but it wasn't
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the first time. People suffer throughout their lives, and I
guarantee a person of one hundred and two years of
age has gone through a lot of suffering in their
life and seen a lot of things both worldwide and
in their own lives. So suffering is one of those
things that people kind of want to run from, and
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it really is part of the process. I say throughout scripture, Listen,
You're going to suffer. I suffered. You're going to suffer.
It's going to be a part of being human. Now
it makes more sense when you see someone kind of
suffer and then go on with their life and maybe
grow from that suffering or understand it when it comes
at the end. It's a legitimate question. You look around
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Ernie and you go, well, what can be learned of it?
He's dying, where is he taking that? And the best
way to explain it is that your life is a
refining process. It is a path that God has you
on to refine you unto the moment of death for heaven.
And whether there was something more to be learned by
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your grandfather, something more to be learned by you and
the others around him, is for God to know and
explain when you stand before him. Because the entire process
of refinement and the if you look at and think
of it as metal being refined, it's heated to an
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intense degree to where all the dirt and imperfections come
to the surface, and then the blacksmith will scrape the
dross off the top and continue to heat it up
again and continue to do that until it's as pure
as possible. And life is the same way. And in
that process, even unto death, that process is going on,
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that process of refinement and understanding. And whether your grandfather
could say it or not, or was experiencing something, you
don't know. It's between him and his maker and the
things that are going on in the learning process that
is taking place goes on to the moment of death,
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and it should not be assumed otherwise. Yet it's never
going to be easy to watch. It wasn't easy to
watch when he would suffer in life, let alone suffer
in death.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
That's correct. Thank you so much to help me understand
a lot better.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
You're welcome and you go in peace with that, Ernie.
I'm sorry for your loss. I think that as a
wonderful celebration of a life. One hundred and two years
is an amazing an amount of time, and to live
and to touch countless of lives yourself one hundred and
(05:25):
two years, including the life of his grandson. You, Ernie,
who had to watch that, And I'm sorry for that
pain in the sense that I understand what it feels
like and looks like to be around it. However, the biggest,
(05:45):
the biggest part of the picture is that there's more
to it than that pain, and that pain is actually
points to the preciousness of life and the importance of
life and the vibrancy of life. Otherwise that pain wouldn't matter.
It only matters because life is precious and people are precious,
and the time that you have here, whether it's seventy
(06:06):
eighty ninety or one hundred and two years, is precious.
And even in that suffering, I know the world is
kind of trying to go to this place where nobody
should suffer. But I say in scripture, you will suffer
as I have suffered. And it has a purpose, all
of it, whether you know it or not, whether you
(06:27):
learn it or not. The purpose in this case might
have been for your grandfather, might have been for you,
might have been for others. But all suffering has a purpose,
if for nothing else than to understand that it will happen,
and that God said it will happen. Jessica, Welcome to
(06:52):
the Jesus Christ Show. Hello, Hi Jessica, Hi, how can
I help you?
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yes, I have a kind of question of guarding my husband.
We've been married for like eleven years now and we
have two children, and occasionally he will not occasionally, it's
been pretty often where he likes to he's an alcoholic
and he likes to drink. And it's getting to the
point where I don't let him watch each other while
I'm at work anymore, and he kind of bullies them
(07:23):
and he's just a whole different person, and I just
he's apologized many times, but I'm just still set up
that I don't know what to do because it's just
it's like black and white with him. He can be
so normal and then they could totally change them around.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
It's just, yeah, alcohol can do that. This what's his
what's his alcoholic choice by the way, beer? Yeah, beer, okay?
And how much would you say he drinks on an
average day?
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Well, recently it's just well sometimes it's once a week,
sometimes it's a couple of times a week or every
other week.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
And is it a six pack that he drinks? Is
a twelve pack that he drinks in one sitting?
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Maybe three or four? Take too much?
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Okay? And has he ever been through a program? Has
he ever been to AA or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
No, just through cold order. But he didn't. He just
went because you.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Know I had to. Oh he's been court ordered in
the past. Yeah, and why did that come about? Did
he get a duy or what happened?
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Yeah, he has several do you wuys? He just felt
like he had to go.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Wow. So that puts uh, that puts you in a
pretty horrible position. What is your question for me this morning?
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Just your advice on whether what to do because it's
just like, I feel like he's done with another child
that I'm taken care of and he just accept a
lot of my energy.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
And has he ever hit you or the children? Yes?
You or the children are both.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Me but like he like tries to teach him how
to buy when he's strong, but it's just not safe.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Oh wow, sure, I understand. It's the most important thing
is that you protect yourself and those children. And if
you feel it's an unsafe environment, or you feel that
he's violent or that he has a problem, you can
give him the ultimatum to take care of it or
(09:39):
that you're gonna go. Yeah. You you can't just sit
there and wait till something happens. Ugly. If he's a
good man outside of that situation, then you need to
do everything in your power to get him outside of
that situation. And that is whether it's an ultimatum or
what have you. If if you think that an ultimatum
would throw him into rage, then you need to get
out of that that and he has a severe problem,
(10:03):
and it sounds like he knows he does, and he's
wrestling with it, and he needs to get somewhere where
somebody can help him go through the process. But don't
put yourself and those children in danger. Because you are
the sober one. You have the ability to see what's
going on, and that makes you accountable to make sure
it doesn't happen. Jeff, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Hello, Hi, Jeff.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
I my question surround the purpose of life. I guess specifically,
I was trying to get an idea of life for us,
and you can tell me if I'm wrong. Seems to be,
you know, a time to have relationship with you and
a time to learn lessons, and you know, learn the
(10:58):
things that we need to mature and handle life situations
effect effectively. And I guess the question for me comes
up what happens to people that die early, because if
that's kind of the purpose of life, what happens with
them when they're when they don't have that kind of
an opportunity And is that knowledge just imparted to them
(11:25):
or do they have to go through something later to
kind of learn the lessons that we learn to become
more mature Christians and be able to to uh, you know,
because after life is supposed to be perfect, so obviously
the people at that time, you know, probably respond to
things a lot better than they do here on you know,
(11:46):
here on earth.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
That's a great question, and there there there's different theories.
I love the way you think though. The way you
structured that question, I think is the proper way to
come about it. And but think of it this way.
Not everybody needs the same amount of training. Let's say
you go to a gym and physically there's going to
be some people that need to work harder to get
(12:08):
the same results as somebody who's genetically predisposed and has
the ability to go in there and really tighten their
body up quickly. Right, So people are at different levels physically, correct, Okay, okay,
So people are at different levels spiritually as well, and
so someone may need the time that it takes to
(12:31):
go through all of the learning situations, all the things
that you mentioned here on earth, and some may need less.
That is one theory. When we return, I'll tell you
some more. We have just a little bit of time.
If you do have a question, I don't know that
(12:52):
we'll be able to get to it, so I won't
give the phone numbers. We'll deal with what we have
on the board. Right now. We were actually chatting with Jeff.
He was asking about people that die early. If life
is about progressing, learning, understanding, then if someone dies early,
what does that mean. So you're back with us, Jeff,
(13:14):
I am, thank you. So the first one I shared
with you is one of the theories that the belief is.
As I talked about different people with physical ability going
to a gym, there are some that are are going
to get built more quickly, and there's some that are
going to take longer. And there are those that theorize
that someone that gets taken early doesn't need as much
(13:35):
time here, and then there's people that poo poo that,
And quite honestly, it is the belief of this program
that it's about being accountable for the time that you have,
not having enough time to become accountable. So if somebody
gets taken early, it's about what they do with that
information of that time. Obviously, if they're very very young,
(13:57):
they're not conflicting with any of those things, but they're
all so not stepping in the same traps that pull
them away from God in the same way. In the
same sense, younger people are more adaptive and connected to
God than people who become cynical or go through different
stages of their life as they get older. So in
that sense, I think is a big picture thing that
(14:19):
there are those that it's really about where you are
being accountable for where you are in that moment, rather
than Gosh, if I only had ten more days, I
could get this right, that's not what you're being judged against.
So everyone has the lessons that they need to know
or the things that they need to know, and for
(14:41):
however long you live, you're going to be going through
different lessons. But that doesn't mean if you have a
shorter life you're not getting lessons or understanding or connecting
with God in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Okay, well, it seems like there'd be a difference there
because young people say, if they were eight years years old,
wouldn't be learning things that they need to learn. And
you would have to do that to have the perfection
that heaven is supposed to be our life here on earth,
you would have to have some sort of way of
(15:14):
learning to be able to respond in a different way.
Or maybe I'm just not understanding what happened.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
No, an eight year old doesn't have the conflict either.
The eight year old is not going up against all
of the philosophical conflicts with the concept they believe. There's
a wonderful magician who was a friend of the show.
He passed away, and his name was Dean Dill, and
he was a beautiful man and a Christian, and he
(15:44):
taught magic to all kinds of people, including people like
Johnny Carson and the like, and was believed to be
a magician's magician and did parties and all kinds of
things like that. And he was asked to do a
party for a five year old one time, and in
a conversation with my producer Neil, he said that he
(16:05):
turned it down. My producer Neil asked him why, and
he said, because at five, everything's already magic. The kids
aren't surprised because everything's already magical. There hasn't been any cynicism,
there hasn't been anything that has pressed through their life
to change that from who they are, so they're already
in that state. So the process of learning on this
(16:27):
earth is an important one, but it's also learning about
love and connectivity and things like that, and that comes
in different stages in different ways for different people. And
it doesn't mean that if you're here till eighty years
that there's still things you need to learn to get
into heaven. What it means is as long as you're
on this planet, you should be learning. It's not like
(16:50):
you graduate, you pass. I know, we talk about that.
My producer Neil even used that term that someone graduates
to heaven. That's that next step. But it's not about
fulfilling a number of classes or things like that. That's
not what it's about at all. It's about however long
you're here to continue to learn and connect with God
throughout these things. Heaven is going to be a different
(17:12):
place in a different way. But God. The belief is
is if you are connecting with God in this world
with everything pulling you away, that you will get a
clear picture and a connection with God and when you're
in heaven. But those things are individual and different based
(17:33):
on you know, the person that's going through them, So
it don't think of it as you know, a syllabus
and a class and you've got to check these certain
things off. If you are alive at a certain time
in your life, yes you should be doing those things,
but you don't need them to be a whole person
(17:54):
in any way, shape or form. So somebody that passes
away younger are still a whole person in an in
every way, shape or form, and have been tested in
one way or another to show their beliefs or their understanding.
It's about Remember, it's about acceptance or rejection. It's not
about ignorance. So it's about being accountable for what you
(18:16):
do know, not for what you don't know. Pam, Welcome
to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Hi.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (18:24):
I am well? How are you well?
Speaker 5 (18:25):
I mean great? This question is bigger than myself. I'll
do my best to ask it. I'm a little naive
in the word, but I'm a big believer in you.
So my question is, how does the possibility of life
in other galaxies? Working with the scripture of God created
(18:50):
the heavens on the earth. I mean, because there's science
and there God's word solution. It just that whole area
can kind of confuse me, and it's interesting at the
same time kind of get a sense of what I'm asking.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
So you are about life on other planets or about well, like, how.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Does how does it figure into scripture and working with
the theory of evolution versus God creating the heavens and
the earth. And you said science is perfect, but scientists aren't.
And I like the science idea of evolution. Yeah, but
(19:37):
I'm also in the beliefs that God created heavens.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
In the earth.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Well, there's I want to explain, there's something else. There's mishmash. Yeah,
there's stuff that people tie together. There is something called
theistic evolution. This show doesn't focus a whole lot on that.
My producer, Neil is not a huge fan of it,
because you have to unders there's that evolution is a theory.
(20:04):
And I know that you'll get some people now going, oh, yeah,
but theoretically blah blah blah. I say that because there
is not one form of evolution. There's not an agreement
that scientists have come to. There are parts of it
that they have come to and that they believe took place.
But there isn't one theory of evolution, and most your
(20:25):
average everyday person is ignorant of that. They use the
term and they don't usually even know what it means.
There are many theories as to what took place, how
it took place, why it took place, where it took place.
So and you're dealing with special and general types of evolution,
(20:46):
So don't get confused. Don't confused adaptation with evolution, okay.
Adaptation is that within its own kind, things can change.
For instance, if you put umans in a cave and
they lived in the darkness, they would adapt by modifying
(21:07):
the ability of their skin, you know, the skin. They
would lose the melanin or it would go to very
small levels. Their eyes would probably glaze over, the muscles
would weaken, and they wouldn't use them or need them anymore.
So there's things where you know, you see this skin color.
(21:28):
There's only one color of skin. There's only one color
of humanity, and that's melanin. And there are people with
more of it and people with less of it, but
there's only one color. There's only one true race, the
human race, and any modifications of nose, eyelids, hair, things
like that are adaptations. They're not evolutionary breaks. There's no
(21:53):
group that's less than or better than evolutionarily in humanity.
There's adaptations within that grain group. For areas, the Inuit
people will have a little more fatty tissue above their
eyes to keep them warm in in very cold environments.
Things like that. That's adaptation. Evolution is if one thing
(22:16):
jumps a kind or a phylum and becomes something else,
and that's a whole different thing. So there's there's no
Christian there shouldn't be that doesn't believe in adaptation. That
would be silly. People adapt all the time, but within
different phylums or jumping or branching from one place, you know,
(22:40):
single celled, you know, amba jumping to becoming a fish,
becoming a turtle, becoming a lizard, becoming a human. That's
a different concept. So it depends where you land on
that and what your belief is of that. As I said,
I think it's once every five years there is a
(23:05):
a council of sort where scientists get together to discuss
the concept of evolution. So it's not something that they
have landed completely on. And this is like, this is
the model because it changes. The original model by Charles
Darwin does not exist. It never exists, never panned out.
So there's different models that are based on that throughout
(23:27):
the years, and it depends what you land on as
to whether it would fit in scripture. Some of it
fits absolutely, but in Genesis when it talks about creation,
it's talking about building or creating animals unto their kind,
which means they wouldn't cross violins, so that there's a
(23:51):
hard place to bring that into scripture. But there are
other adaptations and things like that that wouldn't conflict with
scripture anyway perform.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Okay, so life on other planets, if that were to
be true.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Now life on other planets is a different story because
now you get into the problem of salvation. So because
I came, and I even said, I'm glad that I
came as a human and not as an angel, because
I'm here to redeem mankind. Right, So now you would
(24:27):
have the problem if life was on other planets. It
is it human? If it's human, is it sinful? If
it's not sinful? Why if it is sinful? Then it
needs to be redeemed. If it needs to be redeemed, now,
how is it going to be redeemed? Do I go
to every planet and become like them, to redeem them
and dine in across or somehow on every single planet?
(24:52):
Did my death on this planet cover other planets? It
opens up a lot of questions that are i I think,
highly problematic for Christianity. And if they found life like
humanity not just well it looks like there's some you know,
watermarks on this planet, but real genuine life. Hello, how
(25:14):
are you take me to your leader life? There could
be significant problems with Christianity, and I know a lot
of people don't want to face that, and a lot
of people that love our buddy George Nori and all
that might think differently. But that's that's the theological reality.
I know that on talk radio you hear all kinds
(25:37):
of things throughout the week. They can bring it down
or be heavy stuff. But I hope this show is
a respite, a place where you can gather sanctuary for
your thoughts and for ideas of growth and inspiration. I
just ask one thing of you. I asked this of
(26:00):
you during this time of year, to focus in on
each other. And I don't mean just your immediate family,
but your neighbors and the people around you, and find
that time that place of courtesy, like go above and
beyond to be courteous to each other, whether it's on
the roads or at the grocery store, whatever it is,
(26:22):
do just a little bit extra and show those lines
of hope and those those opportunities to say, hey, we're
all in this together right as humans, you need to
connect with one another and to show that love to
one another. God sees that. God wants you to do it.
(26:44):
God asks you to count all things joy, James One,
to consider it pure joy whenever whenever you face trials.
I know you're going through things now first Thessalonians five eighteen.
(27:05):
To give thanks an all circumstance, and to find that
peace during the holiday season, no matter which the holiday
you may be celebrating. To find that peace to be
a conduit of joy and happiness and hope. And in
(27:25):
that and in that hope it spreads. I assure you,
like a wildfire, bringing people peace, pointing them in a direction,
helping them out somewhere, whatever it may be, go the
extra mile, push forward, doing things, and that's what brings
(27:47):
consistency and happiness, every single individual coming together and saying, hey,
I'm going to look out for you, you look out
for me. I'm going to help you out you help me,
and be there for each other. It's as corny as
it may seem. I know you hear a lot of
people yelling and screaming into this very microphone. But I
(28:09):
will tell you that what I'm telling you now is
at the center of it all. How you treat one
another and how you produce and perpetuate hope. That's the
only thing that's going to help. Otherwise you can scream
to your red in the face, nothing's going to change.
(28:31):
So do that. Find ways to help people to do
nice things, to be kind, to reassure people, to be
loving no matter who they are, agree or disagree any
of that stuff, and the world will be a better place,
I assure you. And remember these simple words. I am
(28:51):
with you always. KFI AM six forty on demand
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