November 3, 2024 • 28 mins
Marriage is Difficult
Psalm 23
Is music a link to God
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Is music a link to God
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I wanted to talk a little bit more about marriage
because that comes up a lot that marriage is difficult.
On its face, it's difficult to bring two people together
to build a structure of equality and productivity and still
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getting everything you need but giving everything they need and
finding that balance is difficult in the best of circumstances.
When you mix and mingle faiths, that's another possibility, another
opening of vulnerability where there can be problems, and it's
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not the things in scripture that point you to or
away from something are there for your own protection and guidance.
Now there are things that are absolute and it doesn't
change the scripture says this is the way it should
be done, and that's the way it should be done,
and stop arguing. But there are areas gray areas. There
are areas where you have to use your discernment, which
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seems to be a recurring theme today. You have to
use your discernment to process those things and make the
best decision for you in context, for you and your life,
for what you're going through. And you've got to keep
those things in mind. And so when you're getting involved
with somebody. You've got to think not just about the
love and the emotion part, but you've got to have
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the balance between the subjective and the objective and understand
what you're going through and why you're going through it,
and make the best decision for both of you, not
just for you. Age differences, emotional difference, all these things
play a factor and can be later problems. Sharon, Welcome
to the Jesus Christ Show. Hello, Hi Sharon, how can
I help you?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Hi? Well, I was speaking with your call screener and
I told her that I'm interested in your comments about
Psalm twenty three. The reason I'm asking is because I
just read a book it was written in the thirties
and published in the fifties called I Shall Not Want
by Robert Ketchum. These are books that seem to me
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to be totally out of touch with Christians today and
not books that are read by Christians. But when I
read that, I realized, you know, we seem to be
lacking a real depth of not only understanding, but relationship
with Jesus based on a deeper just a deeper understanding
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of what His purpose for us is today. And Psalm
twenty three explains how he's not just our We understand
who he is as our savior, but very few Christians
know who he is as their shepherd and for daily life,
and that so we live in this second realm of
the physical almost as Christians. So I wanted to know
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whether you've ever either focused on Some twenty three and
the deeper meaning of it yourself, and would care to comment.
In addition, would you care.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
To comment on I am curious about how you see
savior well.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
A shepherd salvation, okay, and my savior for salvation as if.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
God came in the flesh. Yes, And all I was
doing was was was simply dying so that everyone gets saved,
and then I have nothing to do with anyone, right?
Is that what it comes down to.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
That's what I believe most Christians look at and as
a savior, and they're very glad, you know. They look
at Psalm twenty three is the Lord is my shepherd,
and I'm glad he is.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I think it's a legitimate concern, Sharon, but I don't
know that it's an honest one. I think that many
many Christians have the understanding that the that Christ and
the anointed one, using that term that I was here
for more than just the salvation. That there is a
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relationship at hand. That relationship can't mean anything unless there's interaction.
If there isn't any interaction, if that's the true concern,
there would be a problem. But Psalm twenty three is
a wonderful look at that relationship. As a matter of fact,
you have the psalmist here in this case David reflecting
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about the concept of a shepherd and the things that
it brings nourishment and leading to spiritual restoration. These imagery,
the imagery here of waters, the placid waters, and these
types of things are very much about that powerful image
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of the Savior being someone who is interactive in your life.
Should you let him. If you remember, the door is
locked from the inside, I will not gone it, but
you have to open it. Open it. And I'm not
sure that I agree that a lot of Christians are
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out of touch with that. I think they wrestle with it,
and I think that's common and normal to wrestle with
that relationship part and understanding it in the physical realm.
But certainly Christians call here all the time, and you'll
hear them speak about the things that they've gone through
and how the Lord provides and God has brought them
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through something that's a that's a great understanding, and I
don't think it's lost on believers. The Last Call was
so beautiful in its sentiment that I wanted to although
I disagree that the majority of Christians have left that,
I'm not sure that that's what she was exactly saying.
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The sentiment itself, I thought was very sweet and important.
So rather than I want to take your call, so
hang tight, but I wanted to look at at Psal
twenty three before, which we have on the air a
good number of times. But in light of her call,
I think to appreciate that, to remember how many times
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throughout scripture you have the term a good shepherd John ten,
the Great Shepherd Hebrews thirteen, A chief shepherd one Peter
five to four. It's very important that imagery of the
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shepherd and the usage is specific, and it's one that's
given a lot throughout scripture, that the imagery of the shepherd,
and David chooses it specifically because of all the dangers
in his life that he negotiated around because of God
as his shepherd, that loving kindness, that protection, all those
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things that restored him not only in his physical life
around trouble, but also more importantly into full communion with God.
So as much as it's important to understand the salvation
nature of why I came and why I died on
the cross, hey, you get that, but to understand that one,
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you're dealing with the negotiation through life and the sharp corners.
As my producer Neil says, all the time, the world
is not nerfed. You can't nerve the world. There's sharp corners.
You're gonna get knocks and pings in life. But in
this particular case in Psalm twenty three, you see the
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beauty of the balance between both of those things because
it talks about the shadow of death. So that's the salvation.
That's true salvation, making death now just a shadow, not
even something substantive. It's just something that looks like there's
something substantive there. So death is now not something tangible
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or something real, it's just a shadow. That's salvation that's
about eternal life. But also it talks about the waters
and the restoration and the things that are going on
in this world as well. That these things being understood,
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the raw the staff about the word of God, leading
you as well. And there's a great beauty in that,
and I would hate to think that it is lost
on people. I don't think it is. I think it's there.
But absolutely echo the color sentiment in the fact that
it's important to understand that God is not just your savior.
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That I didn't just come die on the cross for
salvation and only, but for the process of having that
good shepherd in your life today to help guide you.
Should you listen and not rebel as many people do,
but to but to actually let God lead you in
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life is a very very important thing. Tim. Welcome to
Jesus Christ show.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Hi Jesus, Hi Tim.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
How are you doing well, sir? I'm very very well.
Thank you for asking, how are you?
Speaker 4 (09:38):
I'm good, actually better than I deserve.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
My question is about free will. I don't believe in
free will. I believe from the day born to day
that every single second has already been predetermined. And the
reason second is because it's in the Bible. You guys,
you haven't written this with God's will. God has. This
is what God has in plant for me. And I
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think Lippyan's it says it also about God already has
it predetermined. Why does it say we have free will
when something are predetermined.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Well, God predetermines every possible outcome or the possibility of
that outcome, but the outcome is still chosen by you.
And there's a difference between the two. For instance, God
doesn't cause you to sin, so that that outcome is
not even something God would do, So that that comes
from your desire or your own free will and ability
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to choose that. Now God, yes, and he just said,
Now you're.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Saying God doesn't have us, Joes, we choose Adam.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Adam and Eve were not born with sin. Adam and
Eve partook in sin, therefore creating that as an option
through their experience, and that is down through the bloodline. Yes,
that rebellion has passed down through the bloodline. But think
of it this way, and this might be easier, tim
Think of it this way that if if you went
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to you know, Joe's House of Pies and there's one
hundred pies there for you to choose from, well, Joe's
House of Pie is created all the options there for
you to choose, every single pie, butter cream, banana cream,
apple pie, pumpkin pie, cherry pie, you know, fried, shrimp boiled,
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and that's something completely different. So all those options created
by that place. But when you go in and you
make a choice of which one you want, you make
a choice of which pie you want to sit down
and eat, and then you buy it, and you bring
it to the table and you sit down and you
eat said pie. That's your choice. That's a free choice.
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No one forced you to buy a particular pie. May
be forced by the fact that you have only one
hundred choices rather than two, but all you need is
to options for an honest choice in limitation, by the
way all analogies break down. I don't want people to
get confused. But so in that particular case, you do
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have the option of choice, and you're choosing, and that
choice is free. And just because God knows what choice
you will make or how an outcome may come, doesn't
mean that he forces that particular hand. You most certainly
have free will. Mister ed Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
Hi. I've been asked to do a presentation on the
best way to play the Bible for some high school
and senior students and some college students.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Who are the best way to read the Bible study
the Bible.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Okay, they're going to be doing summer ministry throughout the
Pacific Northwest.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Any thoughts on that, Wow, to study the entire Bible?
Speaker 5 (13:09):
Well, no, this week? To study a passage of scripture
for example.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Okay, Well, the good thing is that all of it's good,
you know. Two Timothy three point sixteen makes it very
clear when it says all scripture is inspired by God
and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training,
and righteousness. So you're you're good that that it's all
therefore your teaching. But it I think that there's always
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places to start in the in the effects of things
that I did in scripture. For instance, if people see
things as just instances, well, okay, the death and the
cross and there was this, But to see them as
they have fluidity and tie into one another, I think
is beauty. It's something called the hermoneuticts of scripture as
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well as something that I think has often left off
the table when teaching about the Scripture and seeing how
it all does tie together and why that statement in
two Timothy is true because it ties in together. But
if you look at the things that took place in scripture,
the understanding that there is a beginning, middle, and end
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to all things in context of scripture is always beautiful.
Kind of that gath simone cavalry and empty tomb. That
God never leaves you hanging in the middle somewhere is
a wonderful lesson to learn if you're going to take
scripture out, because a lot of people will come up
against opposition or confusion or frustration. And to know that
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God is a god of beginning, middle, and ending, when
oftentimes it seems like God leaves you in the center
of something, is very powerful. Is there a particular direction
that you're feeling led to move yourself, like a place
to start something that's meant something to you or kind
of opened your eyes to something else.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
Well, I you know, for example, I'm going through Proverbs,
so I'll just take behalf of the proverb. I read
it through several times and ask God to show me
what it is he wants for me to take the takeaway,
and then I'll say, Okay, here's some of the high points.
Here is the takeaway, and this this is what I
need to do. How do I apply it to my life?
And that's why I'm trying to That's what we want
to share with these young people. How do you take
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that of scripture that you're reading and make an application
that's excellent.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
The thing that I will caution you about is and
this happens in Proverbs quite a bit, And we used
Proverbs on the program a lot because of the fact
that it's almost like, if you imagine a highway of
Christian cars with bumper stickers, that's kind of what Proverbs
seems like. It's just a whole bunch of bumper stickers
passing by that you can quote simply, and it seems
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to get the point across, doesn't it come across that
way a little bit? There's all these like little, very
simple things that you can remember. So if you're learning
to memorize scripture, Proverbs is a really great place to
start one because there's some rehashing and similar themes and
statements that are made, but also because they seem kind
of bite size. They already seem to be parsed into
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these little, you know, a little nut size to shape,
completely consumable, not a problem in a nutshell done. But
the rest of scripture seems to be difficult for people
to dive into because there's stories that go along with them.
And it's not just people tend to like the scriptures.
You can pull out of context and just say, look,
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this is what it says, and they're nice, they're easy
to teach that way. So as much as I encourage
that in going through the books, I think the way
you are doing it is the smart way. Read something
and then think how does that apply to me? But
look not only at the words written, try it and
good study bibles have this obviously. Online you can find
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stuff like this, find the context of what was going
on or why that particular word was used. That always
brings more light to the scripture. Then if you just
read it and go, well, well, it's part of that
made sense. Or for instance, if you go to the
Old Testament and you start reading, there's parts where it's
like so and so, beget so and so, and you
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read that and you go, okay, I've got to read
this because it's the word of God and God says
that it's important it's in there, But what does that
mean a lot of people don't understand the background behind
those names and the importance of them being written down
in the importance of the context. So I would say
always push them towards the context. First, read what was said,
Understand what was said. Now understand what was said in context,
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what was going on two thousand years ago in that
context that it used those particular words. And now finally,
how does it apply to now? Is there a similar situation?
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Now?
Speaker 2 (17:49):
How does it apply to what I'm going through in life?
That those are the things that I love when people
do and you find out, you know, how it goes
with the harmony of the entirety of scripture and why
it's in there. But first what it says, why it
says it, why it says it in context, and what
it means to you, to you in your life, I
think is a good kind of four branch system into
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teaching any part of scripture.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
And last last question, Yes, where's the best place to
find that understanding and context? I mean, the other thing
that I've been using is just a concordance.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Well, you've got a concordance, you can get a good
Bible commentary will help you with context and understanding certain
things that may not be you know, don't jump out
at you. And then another thing is a good study Bible.
If you get a good study Bible, a lot of times,
it has maps in it, it has word studies in it.
It will have some images drawings or photographs of actual
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places that help you, like trees or a pathway or
proximity between two places that let you see something a
little differently. And also it might have a small commentary.
Often Bible studies down to the bottom will have a little
commentary that will shed light on it. And another thing
that's not used very often but is in most study
Bibles is cross references, so you'll see other scriptures next
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to it, Like, for instance, if you're reading one particular scripture,
you'll see it across reference underneath it that is something similar.
And then you go to that scripture and you read
that one, you'll go, oh, now, I see how they
tie in together. It's not just they're talking about the
similar things. This is referencing something that took place beforehand,
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and that starts to shed light on it and let
it breathe a little bit differently and kind of come
to life a little bit. What are some of the
better online references you can go and you can look at,
like the Unbound Bible. It's put together by Biola University
in Southern California, and it's a great resource Unbound Bible
dot com. And it has not only a place where
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you can search scrip sure, but it also has tools.
Little area that says tools on it, it says Bible study tools.
If you click on that, you can find you know, lexicons,
you can find a commentary, you can find all kinds
of things on there that can help you study. It's
really really well put together and very intuitive. On a
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rare occasion it's down due to maintenance or then processing
something or a lot of people using it or something.
But other than that, it's very reliable resource and has
many different Bible versions to choose from, so you can
look things up, including different languages. You can look things
up in the Greek and in the Hebrew, and that
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becomes a fun resource. You know, ask questions, dig deep,
and if there's something that someone comes across and I
find this to work. Well, if you're in a group setting,
let's say everyone's studying the same passage, then you get
everybody coming together and saying, well, this is what I
got out of it, or this is what I saw
or this is what I learned, And then you get
someone else saying this word bugged me. There's something about
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this word that made it seem like it was saying
this or saying that, and everybody kind of comes together
and then you can go, okay, let's do a word
study of that word. How many times is it used
in scripture? What other context is that word used in?
Could it mean other things? Because often in the Greek, Hebrew,
and even the Aramaic words can mean many different things.
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Just like in English, if I said to you, oh,
later on today, I'm going to be working on a table,
you'd say, well, okay, Well he is a carpenter, maybe
he's building something. But I could be a mathematician and
working on a mathematic table. I could be somebody who
does crafts and I'm going to be working sitting at
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a table. So you have to know the context of
what's being stated for it to have full brightness and
life and understanding as to what's being said and why.
And when you come together in a group sometimes that
it tends to flower and blossom much better than if
you're you know, you're on your own, but you kind
of go off on your own and then come back
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and share your notes. If that's possible, that's a great
way to teach. Thank you very much, You're welcome. I
hope that gives you something to work with. Learning and
studying scripture, I know, can be a daunting task and
it's one of those things you know you're called to
and you want to do. And there's people say, oh, yeah,
I read scripture, I know scripture, and I guarantee those
are the ones that don't because it's not something you
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read like that. You know, it's not the tipping point.
You're not sitting there going okay, well, yeah I was.
You know, I had a layover in Dallas and I
thumbed through it and it wasn't a problem. It's not
like that. You're you're you're wanting to have it come
to life and to understand it. And you're talking about
something written two thousand years ago. That having an understanding
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of the time and the placement is a good idea. Also,
the life and times of Jesus the Messiah is also great,
but that's also good to understand the context of what
was going around at the time too. It just helps
you learn and it becomes fun and kind of an
exciting way to engage scripture rather than just the bumper
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sticker well, where does it say that I should do something?
And where does it say that I shouldn't do something?
Because there's much more to it than that. Hi Chris,
Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 6 (23:21):
Hi Jesus. I am a bit of an amateur anthropologist.
I find that sort of stuff very interesting and I'm wonderful.
I've noticed that it's not hard to notice that throughout,
you know, all of time human time, that every society,
no matter where on the earth, you know, those societies
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have been that universally all of us sort of cling
to music in one way or another. And I've also
noticed that the more orthodox religions like Islam and Judaism
with the chanting and oraling dervishes, with the totally real
they do, which I find so fascinating. I'm wondering if
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there's a linkage, if you will, between like rhythmic movements
and singing that God gave to us as sort of
a wi fi, if you will, a linkage to him.
Is that what the purpose of music is?
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Well? I think actually you might be. You might be
making it overly complicated or overly spiritual where it does
have a spiritual element. And I'll give you a fun
word you can go look up as homework Ethno. Musicologists
might be something you might want to look into as well,
to find that. There are some differences in different cultures,
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and sometimes we're even trying to find find or track
down a word or concept like music is difficult to
find in certain cultures. But music is fairly universal, and
the desire to make music or experience music is fairly universal.
So someone can really and easily make the correlation, say, gosh,
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this is something that's kinetic, that's tying to God. I
will tell you if you went through Scripture, you will
notice that in the Old Testament that there are times
where musicians are named by name, talked about by name,
and the priests aren't in the same breath, and it
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talks about the importance of these musicians. And so music
obviously is an important part of worship. But more so
than it being connective in some sort of super spiritual way,
I think that there's something inherently releasing about dancing or
movement or moving to a beat or connecting with a
rhythm that releases people from their inhibitions and kind of
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puts them in I don't mean in a negative way,
but in a way that people tend to be guarded
and put on masks. And there's something thing, it's hard
to not respond to a beat, whether it's with a
goofy look on your face or a nodding of the
head or what have you. And I think that that's
a compelling attribute of music. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean
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that it's like a direct connection to God. However, worshiping
in song has always been a part of the Judeo
Christian belief system. You just can't separate the two. And
as you pointed out, with Canter's singing, and even the
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words of prayer become a song, So it absolutely plays
a part. What I don't want is to get to
a point where it is becomes this separate thing and
it becomes like, oh, I can only get in tune
with God if I'm singing or undulating that I do
not believe to be true. However, there is a correlation
that humans tend to confine themselves and the unconfining attributes
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of music that make you want to kind of express
yourself make you more open to the experience of God.
I have no problem with making that statement or hearing
that statement. And also the direct correlation to the fact
that you're created in the image of God. And theologians
have gone back and forth for centuries trying to describe
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what that means, and some have whittled it down to
meaning that you are a creature of intellect, will, and emotion.
And to expand on that, I would say that creation
is a direct attribute of the creator. Correct creates, That's
what God does, and so humans being created in the
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image of God have the desire to create as well.
And I think music and art in general, but music
is one of those It is one of those things.
It's the desire to create as God created. This case,
the creation is music, and in that sense, I think
absolutely positively it plays a huge part in worship. I
just don't want people to make it more like a
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transcendental meditation or something that somehow puts them on a
frequency or tunes them into God in a way that's different,
because I think when you get into that place, you
get into some metaphysical things and some things that might
not be too productive, especially in the Judeo Christian precepts.
Thank you for joining me this Sunday. I hope you
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joined me every Sunday, and remember more importantly than all
the craziness that goes on, I am with you
Speaker 1 (28:39):
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
I wanted to talk a little bit more about marriage
because that comes up a lot that marriage is difficult.
On its face, it's difficult to bring two people together
to build a structure of equality and productivity and still
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getting everything you need but giving everything they need and
finding that balance is difficult in the best of circumstances.
When you mix and mingle faiths, that's another possibility, another
opening of vulnerability where there can be problems, and it's
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not the things in scripture that point you to or
away from something are there for your own protection and guidance.
Now there are things that are absolute and it doesn't
change the scripture says this is the way it should
be done, and that's the way it should be done,
and stop arguing. But there are areas gray areas. There
are areas where you have to use your discernment, which
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seems to be a recurring theme today. You have to
use your discernment to process those things and make the
best decision for you in context, for you and your life,
for what you're going through. And you've got to keep
those things in mind. And so when you're getting involved
with somebody. You've got to think not just about the
love and the emotion part, but you've got to have
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the balance between the subjective and the objective and understand
what you're going through and why you're going through it,
and make the best decision for both of you, not
just for you. Age differences, emotional difference, all these things
play a factor and can be later problems. Sharon, Welcome
to the Jesus Christ Show. Hello, Hi Sharon, how can
I help you?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Hi? Well, I was speaking with your call screener and
I told her that I'm interested in your comments about
Psalm twenty three. The reason I'm asking is because I
just read a book it was written in the thirties
and published in the fifties called I Shall Not Want
by Robert Ketchum. These are books that seem to me
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to be totally out of touch with Christians today and
not books that are read by Christians. But when I
read that, I realized, you know, we seem to be
lacking a real depth of not only understanding, but relationship
with Jesus based on a deeper just a deeper understanding
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of what His purpose for us is today. And Psalm
twenty three explains how he's not just our We understand
who he is as our savior, but very few Christians
know who he is as their shepherd and for daily life,
and that so we live in this second realm of
the physical almost as Christians. So I wanted to know
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whether you've ever either focused on Some twenty three and
the deeper meaning of it yourself, and would care to comment.
In addition, would you care.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
To comment on I am curious about how you see
savior well.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
A shepherd salvation, okay, and my savior for salvation as if.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
God came in the flesh. Yes, And all I was
doing was was was simply dying so that everyone gets saved,
and then I have nothing to do with anyone, right?
Is that what it comes down to.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
That's what I believe most Christians look at and as
a savior, and they're very glad, you know. They look
at Psalm twenty three is the Lord is my shepherd,
and I'm glad he is.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I think it's a legitimate concern, Sharon, but I don't
know that it's an honest one. I think that many
many Christians have the understanding that the that Christ and
the anointed one, using that term that I was here
for more than just the salvation. That there is a
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relationship at hand. That relationship can't mean anything unless there's interaction.
If there isn't any interaction, if that's the true concern,
there would be a problem. But Psalm twenty three is
a wonderful look at that relationship. As a matter of fact,
you have the psalmist here in this case David reflecting
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about the concept of a shepherd and the things that
it brings nourishment and leading to spiritual restoration. These imagery,
the imagery here of waters, the placid waters, and these
types of things are very much about that powerful image
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of the Savior being someone who is interactive in your life.
Should you let him. If you remember, the door is
locked from the inside, I will not gone it, but
you have to open it. Open it. And I'm not
sure that I agree that a lot of Christians are
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out of touch with that. I think they wrestle with it,
and I think that's common and normal to wrestle with
that relationship part and understanding it in the physical realm.
But certainly Christians call here all the time, and you'll
hear them speak about the things that they've gone through
and how the Lord provides and God has brought them
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through something that's a that's a great understanding, and I
don't think it's lost on believers. The Last Call was
so beautiful in its sentiment that I wanted to although
I disagree that the majority of Christians have left that,
I'm not sure that that's what she was exactly saying.
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The sentiment itself, I thought was very sweet and important.
So rather than I want to take your call, so
hang tight, but I wanted to look at at Psal
twenty three before, which we have on the air a
good number of times. But in light of her call,
I think to appreciate that, to remember how many times
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throughout scripture you have the term a good shepherd John ten,
the Great Shepherd Hebrews thirteen, A chief shepherd one Peter
five to four. It's very important that imagery of the
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shepherd and the usage is specific, and it's one that's
given a lot throughout scripture, that the imagery of the shepherd,
and David chooses it specifically because of all the dangers
in his life that he negotiated around because of God
as his shepherd, that loving kindness, that protection, all those
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things that restored him not only in his physical life
around trouble, but also more importantly into full communion with God.
So as much as it's important to understand the salvation
nature of why I came and why I died on
the cross, hey, you get that, but to understand that one,
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you're dealing with the negotiation through life and the sharp corners.
As my producer Neil says, all the time, the world
is not nerfed. You can't nerve the world. There's sharp corners.
You're gonna get knocks and pings in life. But in
this particular case in Psalm twenty three, you see the
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beauty of the balance between both of those things because
it talks about the shadow of death. So that's the salvation.
That's true salvation, making death now just a shadow, not
even something substantive. It's just something that looks like there's
something substantive there. So death is now not something tangible
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or something real, it's just a shadow. That's salvation that's
about eternal life. But also it talks about the waters
and the restoration and the things that are going on
in this world as well. That these things being understood,
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the raw the staff about the word of God, leading
you as well. And there's a great beauty in that,
and I would hate to think that it is lost
on people. I don't think it is. I think it's there.
But absolutely echo the color sentiment in the fact that
it's important to understand that God is not just your savior.
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That I didn't just come die on the cross for
salvation and only, but for the process of having that
good shepherd in your life today to help guide you.
Should you listen and not rebel as many people do,
but to but to actually let God lead you in
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life is a very very important thing. Tim. Welcome to
Jesus Christ show.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Hi Jesus, Hi Tim.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
How are you doing well, sir? I'm very very well.
Thank you for asking, how are you?
Speaker 4 (09:38):
I'm good, actually better than I deserve.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
My question is about free will. I don't believe in
free will. I believe from the day born to day
that every single second has already been predetermined. And the
reason second is because it's in the Bible. You guys,
you haven't written this with God's will. God has. This
is what God has in plant for me. And I
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think Lippyan's it says it also about God already has
it predetermined. Why does it say we have free will
when something are predetermined.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Well, God predetermines every possible outcome or the possibility of
that outcome, but the outcome is still chosen by you.
And there's a difference between the two. For instance, God
doesn't cause you to sin, so that that outcome is
not even something God would do, So that that comes
from your desire or your own free will and ability
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to choose that. Now God, yes, and he just said,
Now you're.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Saying God doesn't have us, Joes, we choose Adam.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Adam and Eve were not born with sin. Adam and
Eve partook in sin, therefore creating that as an option
through their experience, and that is down through the bloodline. Yes,
that rebellion has passed down through the bloodline. But think
of it this way, and this might be easier, tim
Think of it this way that if if you went
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to you know, Joe's House of Pies and there's one
hundred pies there for you to choose from, well, Joe's
House of Pie is created all the options there for
you to choose, every single pie, butter cream, banana cream,
apple pie, pumpkin pie, cherry pie, you know, fried, shrimp boiled,
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and that's something completely different. So all those options created
by that place. But when you go in and you
make a choice of which one you want, you make
a choice of which pie you want to sit down
and eat, and then you buy it, and you bring
it to the table and you sit down and you
eat said pie. That's your choice. That's a free choice.
(11:57):
No one forced you to buy a particular pie. May
be forced by the fact that you have only one
hundred choices rather than two, but all you need is
to options for an honest choice in limitation, by the
way all analogies break down. I don't want people to
get confused. But so in that particular case, you do
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have the option of choice, and you're choosing, and that
choice is free. And just because God knows what choice
you will make or how an outcome may come, doesn't
mean that he forces that particular hand. You most certainly
have free will. Mister ed Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
Hi. I've been asked to do a presentation on the
best way to play the Bible for some high school
and senior students and some college students.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Who are the best way to read the Bible study
the Bible.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Okay, they're going to be doing summer ministry throughout the
Pacific Northwest.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Any thoughts on that, Wow, to study the entire Bible?
Speaker 5 (13:09):
Well, no, this week? To study a passage of scripture
for example.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Okay, Well, the good thing is that all of it's good,
you know. Two Timothy three point sixteen makes it very
clear when it says all scripture is inspired by God
and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training,
and righteousness. So you're you're good that that it's all
therefore your teaching. But it I think that there's always
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places to start in the in the effects of things
that I did in scripture. For instance, if people see
things as just instances, well, okay, the death and the
cross and there was this, But to see them as
they have fluidity and tie into one another, I think
is beauty. It's something called the hermoneuticts of scripture as
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well as something that I think has often left off
the table when teaching about the Scripture and seeing how
it all does tie together and why that statement in
two Timothy is true because it ties in together. But
if you look at the things that took place in scripture,
the understanding that there is a beginning, middle, and end
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to all things in context of scripture is always beautiful.
Kind of that gath simone cavalry and empty tomb. That
God never leaves you hanging in the middle somewhere is
a wonderful lesson to learn if you're going to take
scripture out, because a lot of people will come up
against opposition or confusion or frustration. And to know that
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God is a god of beginning, middle, and ending, when
oftentimes it seems like God leaves you in the center
of something, is very powerful. Is there a particular direction
that you're feeling led to move yourself, like a place
to start something that's meant something to you or kind
of opened your eyes to something else.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
Well, I you know, for example, I'm going through Proverbs,
so I'll just take behalf of the proverb. I read
it through several times and ask God to show me
what it is he wants for me to take the takeaway,
and then I'll say, Okay, here's some of the high points.
Here is the takeaway, and this this is what I
need to do. How do I apply it to my life?
And that's why I'm trying to That's what we want
to share with these young people. How do you take
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that of scripture that you're reading and make an application
that's excellent.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
The thing that I will caution you about is and
this happens in Proverbs quite a bit, And we used
Proverbs on the program a lot because of the fact
that it's almost like, if you imagine a highway of
Christian cars with bumper stickers, that's kind of what Proverbs
seems like. It's just a whole bunch of bumper stickers
passing by that you can quote simply, and it seems
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to get the point across, doesn't it come across that
way a little bit? There's all these like little, very
simple things that you can remember. So if you're learning
to memorize scripture, Proverbs is a really great place to
start one because there's some rehashing and similar themes and
statements that are made, but also because they seem kind
of bite size. They already seem to be parsed into
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these little, you know, a little nut size to shape,
completely consumable, not a problem in a nutshell done. But
the rest of scripture seems to be difficult for people
to dive into because there's stories that go along with them.
And it's not just people tend to like the scriptures.
You can pull out of context and just say, look,
(16:30):
this is what it says, and they're nice, they're easy
to teach that way. So as much as I encourage
that in going through the books, I think the way
you are doing it is the smart way. Read something
and then think how does that apply to me? But
look not only at the words written, try it and
good study bibles have this obviously. Online you can find
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stuff like this, find the context of what was going
on or why that particular word was used. That always
brings more light to the scripture. Then if you just
read it and go, well, well, it's part of that
made sense. Or for instance, if you go to the
Old Testament and you start reading, there's parts where it's
like so and so, beget so and so, and you
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read that and you go, okay, I've got to read
this because it's the word of God and God says
that it's important it's in there, But what does that
mean a lot of people don't understand the background behind
those names and the importance of them being written down
in the importance of the context. So I would say
always push them towards the context. First, read what was said,
Understand what was said. Now understand what was said in context,
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what was going on two thousand years ago in that
context that it used those particular words. And now finally,
how does it apply to now? Is there a similar situation?
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Now?
Speaker 2 (17:49):
How does it apply to what I'm going through in life?
That those are the things that I love when people
do and you find out, you know, how it goes
with the harmony of the entirety of scripture and why
it's in there. But first what it says, why it
says it, why it says it in context, and what
it means to you, to you in your life, I
think is a good kind of four branch system into
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teaching any part of scripture.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
And last last question, Yes, where's the best place to
find that understanding and context? I mean, the other thing
that I've been using is just a concordance.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Well, you've got a concordance, you can get a good
Bible commentary will help you with context and understanding certain
things that may not be you know, don't jump out
at you. And then another thing is a good study Bible.
If you get a good study Bible, a lot of times,
it has maps in it, it has word studies in it.
It will have some images drawings or photographs of actual
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places that help you, like trees or a pathway or
proximity between two places that let you see something a
little differently. And also it might have a small commentary.
Often Bible studies down to the bottom will have a little
commentary that will shed light on it. And another thing
that's not used very often but is in most study
Bibles is cross references, so you'll see other scriptures next
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to it, Like, for instance, if you're reading one particular scripture,
you'll see it across reference underneath it that is something similar.
And then you go to that scripture and you read
that one, you'll go, oh, now, I see how they
tie in together. It's not just they're talking about the
similar things. This is referencing something that took place beforehand,
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and that starts to shed light on it and let
it breathe a little bit differently and kind of come
to life a little bit. What are some of the
better online references you can go and you can look at,
like the Unbound Bible. It's put together by Biola University
in Southern California, and it's a great resource Unbound Bible
dot com. And it has not only a place where
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you can search scrip sure, but it also has tools.
Little area that says tools on it, it says Bible study tools.
If you click on that, you can find you know, lexicons,
you can find a commentary, you can find all kinds
of things on there that can help you study. It's
really really well put together and very intuitive. On a
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rare occasion it's down due to maintenance or then processing
something or a lot of people using it or something.
But other than that, it's very reliable resource and has
many different Bible versions to choose from, so you can
look things up, including different languages. You can look things
up in the Greek and in the Hebrew, and that
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becomes a fun resource. You know, ask questions, dig deep,
and if there's something that someone comes across and I
find this to work. Well, if you're in a group setting,
let's say everyone's studying the same passage, then you get
everybody coming together and saying, well, this is what I
got out of it, or this is what I saw
or this is what I learned, And then you get
someone else saying this word bugged me. There's something about
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this word that made it seem like it was saying
this or saying that, and everybody kind of comes together
and then you can go, okay, let's do a word
study of that word. How many times is it used
in scripture? What other context is that word used in?
Could it mean other things? Because often in the Greek, Hebrew,
and even the Aramaic words can mean many different things.
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Just like in English, if I said to you, oh,
later on today, I'm going to be working on a table,
you'd say, well, okay, Well he is a carpenter, maybe
he's building something. But I could be a mathematician and
working on a mathematic table. I could be somebody who
does crafts and I'm going to be working sitting at
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a table. So you have to know the context of
what's being stated for it to have full brightness and
life and understanding as to what's being said and why.
And when you come together in a group sometimes that
it tends to flower and blossom much better than if
you're you know, you're on your own, but you kind
of go off on your own and then come back
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and share your notes. If that's possible, that's a great
way to teach. Thank you very much, You're welcome. I
hope that gives you something to work with. Learning and
studying scripture, I know, can be a daunting task and
it's one of those things you know you're called to
and you want to do. And there's people say, oh, yeah,
I read scripture, I know scripture, and I guarantee those
are the ones that don't because it's not something you
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read like that. You know, it's not the tipping point.
You're not sitting there going okay, well, yeah I was.
You know, I had a layover in Dallas and I
thumbed through it and it wasn't a problem. It's not
like that. You're you're you're wanting to have it come
to life and to understand it. And you're talking about
something written two thousand years ago. That having an understanding
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of the time and the placement is a good idea. Also,
the life and times of Jesus the Messiah is also great,
but that's also good to understand the context of what
was going around at the time too. It just helps
you learn and it becomes fun and kind of an
exciting way to engage scripture rather than just the bumper
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sticker well, where does it say that I should do something?
And where does it say that I shouldn't do something?
Because there's much more to it than that. Hi Chris,
Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 6 (23:21):
Hi Jesus. I am a bit of an amateur anthropologist.
I find that sort of stuff very interesting and I'm wonderful.
I've noticed that it's not hard to notice that throughout,
you know, all of time human time, that every society,
no matter where on the earth, you know, those societies
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have been that universally all of us sort of cling
to music in one way or another. And I've also
noticed that the more orthodox religions like Islam and Judaism
with the chanting and oraling dervishes, with the totally real
they do, which I find so fascinating. I'm wondering if
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there's a linkage, if you will, between like rhythmic movements
and singing that God gave to us as sort of
a wi fi, if you will, a linkage to him.
Is that what the purpose of music is?
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Well? I think actually you might be. You might be
making it overly complicated or overly spiritual where it does
have a spiritual element. And I'll give you a fun
word you can go look up as homework Ethno. Musicologists
might be something you might want to look into as well,
to find that. There are some differences in different cultures,
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and sometimes we're even trying to find find or track
down a word or concept like music is difficult to
find in certain cultures. But music is fairly universal, and
the desire to make music or experience music is fairly universal.
So someone can really and easily make the correlation, say, gosh,
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this is something that's kinetic, that's tying to God. I
will tell you if you went through Scripture, you will
notice that in the Old Testament that there are times
where musicians are named by name, talked about by name,
and the priests aren't in the same breath, and it
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talks about the importance of these musicians. And so music
obviously is an important part of worship. But more so
than it being connective in some sort of super spiritual way,
I think that there's something inherently releasing about dancing or
movement or moving to a beat or connecting with a
rhythm that releases people from their inhibitions and kind of
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puts them in I don't mean in a negative way,
but in a way that people tend to be guarded
and put on masks. And there's something thing, it's hard
to not respond to a beat, whether it's with a
goofy look on your face or a nodding of the
head or what have you. And I think that that's
a compelling attribute of music. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean
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that it's like a direct connection to God. However, worshiping
in song has always been a part of the Judeo
Christian belief system. You just can't separate the two. And
as you pointed out, with Canter's singing, and even the
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words of prayer become a song, So it absolutely plays
a part. What I don't want is to get to
a point where it is becomes this separate thing and
it becomes like, oh, I can only get in tune
with God if I'm singing or undulating that I do
not believe to be true. However, there is a correlation
that humans tend to confine themselves and the unconfining attributes
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of music that make you want to kind of express
yourself make you more open to the experience of God.
I have no problem with making that statement or hearing
that statement. And also the direct correlation to the fact
that you're created in the image of God. And theologians
have gone back and forth for centuries trying to describe
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what that means, and some have whittled it down to
meaning that you are a creature of intellect, will, and emotion.
And to expand on that, I would say that creation
is a direct attribute of the creator. Correct creates, That's
what God does, and so humans being created in the
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image of God have the desire to create as well.
And I think music and art in general, but music
is one of those It is one of those things.
It's the desire to create as God created. This case,
the creation is music, and in that sense, I think
absolutely positively it plays a huge part in worship. I
just don't want people to make it more like a
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transcendental meditation or something that somehow puts them on a
frequency or tunes them into God in a way that's different,
because I think when you get into that place, you
get into some metaphysical things and some things that might
not be too productive, especially in the Judeo Christian precepts.
Thank you for joining me this Sunday. I hope you
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joined me every Sunday, and remember more importantly than all
the craziness that goes on, I am with you
Speaker 1 (28:39):
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