Jesus Christ Show | Hour 2 [10/22]

Jesus Christ Show | Hour 2 [10/22]

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You're listening to KFI A six ondemand. Mike, Welcome to the Jesus
Christ Show. Hello, how areyou? I am well Mike? How
can I help you? Oh?There's two questions. I know Biblically,
to be absent from the body isto be in the presence of the Lord.

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Once we passed away, Christians andbelievers, he accepts us if anything,
through grace that we are accepting toheaven. Two questions going back from
day one on New Year calendars,going back to follow thirteen, fourteen hundred
and all that stuff. Billions andbillions and billions of people have passed away

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and died. And number one isn'tHeaven getting a little bit crowded up there
like a four or five on aFriday night. And then number two reading
a lot of it? Maybe heresay. I don't know, George Nori,
he has special people talking. ButI've heard a lot that once you pass

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away, we go into a spiritualrealm where we go through a learning process
through a period of time. Iheard some say that it's up to this
sold spirit if we want to comeback into different body and go through this
whole thing again, or we canjust stay up in heaven. It says
that most people prefer to come back, And then they said, you do

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come back, you don't remember whatyou did before. You know. Once
around, there's enough this life rightnow. I'm ready and I'm done.
I don't want to go through thegetting FOI remember your view on both of
those places. Okay, First ofall, there's room for ten more people
in heaven. I'm just kidding.That would be horrible. No, there's

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plenty of him. Heaven does nothave the walls and the restrictions of time
and space the way you think ofthem. Here, there is no limitation.
God didn't make it, and insay, oh my gosh, I
invited all these people. I didn'tthink they were all going to make it.
It's not a situation like that.So no worries there. There is

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there is no limit to where somebodywill be left out that believes. But
isn't it I mean if there areall these people and not if I say,
but souls and spirits going around andhave and I know the soul in
spirits like many skill as far asa waiting of course or whatever. But
still isn't it does not It doesnot take up space. You're applying human

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restrictions and attributes of this world tothe next, and there is none.
It's a time there's no time continuum. There's no spatial concerns. It is
not the same way in the samesense at all, in any way shape
or for it. So there couldbe sillion people, it wouldn't matter right
now, and Christ than God wouldstill be in control over all of that.

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Yep, wouldn't matter. That's whatwas going on on earth. Yeah,
it doesn't, It doesn't matter,doesn't There is no limitations there now.
As far as the second question beforeyour justice, seyde person i presage
car, I do have a verybrief, brief third question about the healing
practices of evangelists. It's very brief. If I may ask to have to

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answer this other question, sure,sure, okay, after being reborn,
not being able to remember, goingthrough a learning potast coming, that's not
Christianity that you You had quoted someverses earlier in Corinthians and in Hebrews.

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You loosely paraphrase them about uh inCorinthians about it is to be absent from
the body is to be present withthe Lord. But it also says in
Hebrews that you're it's appointed for mento die once and then the judgment.
So there is no there's no placefor what is referred to as the sumsorrow,

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that cycle of life. There isno place for reincarnation. Reincarnation was
never in scripture. Uh, there'sno place for it. It doesn't fit
and uh and and so that doesn'tmake sense with Christianity. Even though the
George nor I know, he's alittle not out there, but he does
have people that he talks, Soit's basically, this is it. Once

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we're done, that's it. GeorgeNori is a lovely man, a very
smart man, and he does havevery interesting guests on Coast to Coast am.
But but his his job and hisfocus is not the same as the
focus of this show. So sohe's looking at things from a broader spectrum

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than this. This pro is we'revery focused on the Christian Judeo Christian presupposition
and the Christian theology and specifics,so we obviously have a different point and
when it comes to that, Soin this particular case, there is nothing
in scripture that allows for that reincarnationand there's no need for it. Now,

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there can be those that argue,our Catholic brothers and sisters argue that
there is a purgatory, but there'sdifferent but there's different beliefs in that that
has changed throughout the years as wellas to what that means and what's taking
place. But as far as mainstreamChristianity or Protestantism, they differ. So

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mainstream Christianity, do you put Catholicismin Protestant in that same basket they're going
to They're going to differ. Sokeep that in mind. There is differences
very quickly, so we can makesure that we're fair to everyone else.
You had one more question you wantedto ask, Yes, just very very
quick. Known evangelist Katherine Coleman probablymost probably known other a local evangelists with

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the healing powers. They went toa Catholic church, growing up on stage
for print everything. I mean,it didn't even touch me yet. I
felt at people, my wife andand other friends. They said he was
presulting anyone near me, and Ijust supposedly felt under the spirit other places
where I went up, actually feltthis presence for you just I mean,

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it's like just falling backwards. Howwhat is that manifest and are is really
true of I want to say,I won't to say heals, but the
presence of falling under what they callfalling in the spirit. I don't get
that. I mean, I getit, but how's that explained? That?
It depends because and this is notspecifically speaking about anyone who refers to

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themselves as a faith healer. Alot of that is garbage. A lot
of it ties in to theatrics andwhatnot and psychology that takes place during a
group experience like that. That doesn'tmean that it can't take place. Of
course, there are gifts of thespirit that do take place, and there
are healings that could take place tothis day. But that is God's will,

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not the will of an individual ortheir ability. God will speak through
somebody like a prophet, and Godwill heal through somebody like a healer.
But it's not done in the theatricalway the way it often is betrayed in
Christianity. Across the board, thereare many of those that act as if

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they are faith healers, and reallyit's an amount of theatrics and people get
caught up in something the same wayyou can watch a movie that you know
is absolutely fake that it is actorsthat you've seen many times before. You
can start to cry or get angryor be thrilled by the outcome because emotionally

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you're having eperience with those other peoplein the theater while watching something. So
you have to be careful as towhat your experience is. Your experience should
always be lining up with scripture andthe things of God, and it should
never be to the glory of anindividual other than God. You shouldn't have
to pay for such a thing.These types of things should be thought of

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before you go and experience on things, because they can be quite emotional and
can catch you up in that kindof overall attitude and excitement, and you
can think that it's spiritual when it'sjust psychological. Something to think about,

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brother, and not be lost inthat. Trisha, Welcome to the Jesus
CHRISTO. Hi, Jesus Hi.How can I help you? Well,
my husband and I have been togetherfor twenty five years, since we're eighteen.
We had ten years ago we hadcreamy twins and they had a lot

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of health problems, but you know, we worked through it. And I'm
a real nervous person and through thiswhole thing with the twins there was a
lot of life and death issues asfar as like open heart surgeries and stuff
like that, and things seemed likethey were getting better. My kids were
healthy and stuff, but then myhusband got diagnosed with cancer, and ever

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since then, I have just Idon't know. I can't I can't come
to terms with the fact that Ifeel like everything that I had hoped for
and worked for that it's just notever going to be the same now,

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and I'm always here. I seealmost everything now like I'm petrified, even
if my kids get a cold,that they're going to die, And like
Tricia, that that's no way tolive your expectations. Expectations really can be
the demon of everything to It's goodto have hopes, it's good to have

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desires, but if you get toa place where where those overshadow everything else,
Tricia, and your life becomes thisdrawing or cartoon of what you expect,
you will never appreciate and see whatyou have in front of you.
And that's a huge concern of mine. Don't get lost in that, Tricia.
I know that you're going through pain. I know that you have problems,

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and there are things that you cantackle, but if you start to
try and nerf the world and makeeverything so it has no sharp edges,
or that there's not ever going tobe a problem that you will lose sight
of the preciousness of the life thatyou have and the people that are in
it don't lose sight of that,not for some hope, some kind of
make believe this is what I thoughtI was going to have. Enjoy what

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you do have, Nancy, Welcometo the Jesus Christ Show. Hi,
Jesus, I have a question.I am looking for verses about the age
of accountability. There aren't really anyif you're looking about something specifically talking about
the age of accountability. It's moretheorized by most and some many don't believe

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that it exists at all. Butreligiously people use them or theologically people use
that term, usually to say there'sdifferent schools of thought. Some of them
will say, well, a childwill automatically go to Heaven if they're below
a certain age or the age ofaccountability, which really is a sliding scale

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to begin with, because there arechildren at very young ages that understand and
comprehend many things, and then thereare others that get older and maybe slightly
slower and don't understand things. Thereare religious traditions that say that the age
of ability is twelve or thirteen becausethey reference that my first readings in scripture

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come around that time, or certainthings like this. So people will make
kind of arbitrary lines saying, well, it has to be this, has
to be that. But as faras scripture specifically saying an age of accountability,
no, But there is talk thatpeople will come to the knowledge of
the difference, the difference between sweetand bitter, and some people say,

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well, that may be alluding tothe concept of truth versus that which is
false, But no one verse thatyou're going to come across. That's why
it is a topic that's continually arguedto this day. Is there a particular
reason you ask I was just tryingto give some hope to somebody who doesn't

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believe, who believes that if athree year old dies today, they're going
to go to hell. Well,there's no reason to believe that either.
I mean, there's there and there. The argument kind of goes it does
tie into that, and there's peoplethey go back and forth and they quote
Proverbs twenty eleven that talks about evena child is known by his doings,

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whether his work be pure, whetherit be right. There are those that
will talk about Matthew Mark and Ithink this also in Luke eighteen sixteen,
where it says suffer little children andforbid them not to come to me for
such as the kingdom of Heaven.And people look at that and say,

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obviously Christ is talking there about thechildren being in heaven. And this is
an argument that goes back and forth. This is a place where really faith
comes in and you have to trustthat when the ugliness of something like a
child dying takes place, that God, God has a way of balancing these

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things out. That really accountability andsalvation is based on acceptance or rejection,
not ignorance, and that's where theconfusion sometimes lies. Ken, Welcome to
the Jesus Christ Show. Hi Jesus. When I was eight years old,

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I was at a Christian camp swimmingin a lake and I watched the boy
drown right in front of me.Oh. It was a horrible, dramatic
incident that changed my life forever.And now I take it to being an
adult. I'm forty years old nowand I decided to have my daughter baptized

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about two weeks ago, and Iget the directions to the lake, and
my daughter's very excited, and I'mvery excited to have her baptized. And
I drive in and it's the samelake that I watched a boy drown when
I was exactly her age, andI kind of relived the whole incident again
and I was devastated. I mean, the odds of this happening. Of

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all the places that I could havehad my daughter baptized, it was exactly
the same place that I watched thishappen. And you know, I didn't
know why this was going on.I had mixed feelings about it. Maybe
I shouldn't do it, Maybe it'scursed. Is this really what God's plan
is is to use this lake?And you know I decided that, you

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know, this wasn't about me anymore. This is about my daughter accepting Jesus
Christ in her life. And Iexplained to her what happened, and we
decided to do it. But Iwas wondering if there's any significance to this
at all. Well, I'll tellyour first. I'm very proud of you
because you pushed through it. Theenemy had you at every turn on that

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one. He would have loved nothingmore than you two turn that car around
and not have your daughter baptized.It would have been a huge victory in
his eyes. And you push throughit. There are a lot of things
that are going to take place.You drive on roads every day that people

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have lost loved ones on. Everyday. You've gone to hospitals where people
have died. You've gone to restaurantswhere people have been have gotten sick,
or might have choked on something.Death is a part of life. It's
everywhere. But you need to seethe significance of the instance in what's taking

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place, rather than the fact thatthere's a history of something. Now,
if that child died because there wassomething in that water, I wouldn't blame
you, but because of a freakaccident or someone dying to not use you
know, there's reason that it's thesame place. This particular church or churches

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in general in that area area mayuse this. For you said it was
a Christian camp or and now it'sa Christian baptism that there is You know,
it's a body of water in thearea. It's normal for it to
be used in different purposes. Butwhat I want you to take from this
is the fact that things aren't evilunto themselves. There isn't an evil thing

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in the world. Evil is whenmorally neutral things have bad relationships. So
for instance, when a child isunattended or doesn't swim well, water can
be evil in the relationship between thatperson and the water and they can drown.

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But in a baptism that's controlled andthere are people around to watch and
it's done structurally, it can bea beautiful thing about the awakening of someone's
spirit and the acknowledgment of their faith. So likewise, if someone broke into
your house heaven forbid, with agun, that's a bad thing. But

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if right behind them, law enforcementbroke into your house with a gun,
that's a good thing. And soI want you to stop, you know,
not to see this lake as somethinggood or bad. It was depending
on how it was experienced, thatwas good or bad. But the lake
itself is not evil and it isn'tcursed or anything like that Situationally, it's

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very sad that you had to witnessthat at such a young age or at
all, and it's going to be, you know, an indelible mark on
your life forever. But I hopethat it will be equally as indelible the
moment and the beauty of watching yourdaughter being baptized and confirm her place and

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her heart for God in front ofall those people that too should have power.
Wouldn't you say, Yeah, Ijust I just believe it. And
it's you know, some good hascome of it, because I decided to
be a paramedic after that for obviousreasons. So it did change my life

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forever. But it also you know, after her being baptist baptized, I'll
never forget that day in my life. That was a day that just stood
out to me and I felt that, you know, God was talking to
me that day. It just wasa really strange thing to go through.
And what was he saying. Hewas saying, to let this go.

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He was saying, don't harbor anyguilt. It wasn't my fault. You
know, I was a child Iand I didn't rescue him. I I
panicked, But you didn't have theability to rescue him, right, I
didn't, So it can't be yourfault, right, And I and I

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it took a long time to realizethat it wasn't my fault. And but
you know, just to let itgo. I mean just to say goodbye
to him, to pray for him, and I don't know. It was
just a really difficult thing to gothrough. And being a paramedic, I've

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seen people drown and been on theother side of it too. It was
just a really strange day. Iwant you to take all those the physical
things and seeing someone lose their lifeobviously very potent. Scripture says do not
fear those that can kill the flesh, but those that can kill the spirit.

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And I want you to think aboutall those people that are drounding spiritually
every single day because no one wantsto do anything about it. They're embarrassed
to share their faith or whatever itmight be. And the situation you're describing
is that you immediately grew into aperson who said, you know what,
I want to know what to doand became a paramedic. What you witnessed
with your daughter was you know,the symbolism of baptism is the death and

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the burial and the resurrection as theycome up out of the water. And
I think all of that that imageryis very powerful, but what you do
with it is up to you.You know, the same knife you may
use for a tracheotomy, an emergencytracheotomy is the is a knife that could
be used to kill somebody. Andto not put value positive or negative on

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these things, the water, theknife, the any of these things,
but to see them as proper usageand improper usage and what you've got,
you've got to see both in thesame body of water, and you got
to see both sides of the beautyof that water and the power of that
water in the sense of that itcould take a life, but to dwell

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on it or somehow let it weighyou down when it's obviously been a you
know, a pause or productive inyour life, piece of your life.
Because you've taken it and said I'mgoing to do something good with it.
You have to let you have tolet the power of that lake or the
mystery of that lake go away.But you don't have to forget what took

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place there. You don't forget whatyou learned there. You don't have to
forget the life. But you couldn'tdo anything. And guilt is irrelevant,
It doesn't mean anything. It hasno benefit in this particular case. And
I think that you should enjoy thebeauty of what your daughter went through and
that that should be a significant partof your life, equally as significant as

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the death that you witnessed, becauseif you really believe what it says in
scripture, it says that the fearis not in the flesh being lost,
but the spirit being lost. Andso you were able to sit there and
watch your daughter come into a newlife in Christ. And that's a very
powerful and wonderful thing. I'm sorrythat you went through that experience, but

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it's obvious that it is done somethingand meant something in a way that has
become very very productive in your lifethat glorifies God. The other gives the
enemy total Foothold Dale, Welcome tothe Jesus Christ Show. Hello Jesus Hi

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Dale. I'm first time caller Ihave listened to for quite some time.
Well, welcome, How can Ihelp you? I was married to who
to whom I perceived as my actuallymy soulmate at a young age. I

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was actually twenty and she was she'seighteen. We were blessed with them with
my with a with a daughter andactually and then two to other sons after
that. Married for fourteen years andworked so hard to build a good life

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and all my plans for the future, and all all the plans that I
thought God had and sore for mewere there. And it was probably,
I mean, the utmost happiest timeof my life. And I had you

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know, it was fairly successful inthe field that I was in at the
time. I actually put my wife, my ex wife never worked because we
wanted her to be with the childrenas much as possible and daily. I
hate to rush you, but becauseof time, is there a question?

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Yeah, it's been divorced. Sheshe she had she committed an adultery,
had an affair on me for ayear and when I found this out,
it broke me more than than Imean. I've never been able to get
over this. And this is fouryears ago now and it's still like it

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was yesterday. Will the pain everstop? I mean, I have to
watch another man raise my children.Mhm. How does someone well, I
still have yet to know. Ido not know how to deal with this.
Sale, Hold on tight. Ihave some thoughts for you. Just

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after this break, we were talkingwith Dale. Dale. You're still there,
Yes, I am, okay.So you said that this woman you
was your soulmate and you get marriedyoung, you have children, she has
an affair and now she's with someoneelse and they're raising your children. Yeah,

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she she she married the man thatshe was in an affair with and
they actually have a child now together. And I've do you have things that
all I do is I live forI see my children every two weeks.

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That's what you know. They that'sthat's what they said that I mean,
that's all I could do. Dale, Do you drink it? All I
did? I did? But you'recleaning sober now? Excuse me? You're
clean and sober now? Not quite? Not quite? And what is not
quite? Mean? There are timeswhen I wouldn't. I would do anything

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to kill the pang. You knowthat that's not productive and it won't help
you see those children? Absolutely absolutely, And I am a Christian and but
and I know that it's the rightthing. Are you? Are you drinking

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today at all? No? I'mnot. Okay. Good, that's a
good start, so Dale, whenit when it comes to relationships, you
get two people. Obviously, youboth have a say, and you both
can take the You know, youcan either positively move in one direction together
or you can move in two differentdirections. Chances are if we parsed your

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whole relationship. When we looked back, there was a time when you saw
signs of maybe she not being theright one. Then people bring children into
the equation all of that. Wedon't have time for that. But what
I do want to tell you isthat if you live in the bowl of
just staring at that circumstance she's marriedand she's moved on, you won't be

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able to dig yourself out at all. If you get to a place where
you're bettering yourself, you're not youknow, getting into the hoots, you're
not drinking, you're being productive,and you're finding ways to I would encourage
you to help others, And there'sprograms for people that have been cheated on
and things like that that you cango into and talk and find out the

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things that people have gone through andhow they've pushed themselves through it. Prayer
and church and all these things playa part of all this. Then you
can move forward yourself and find thathappiness or a partner in life. But
if you're going to focus on thepast, on the program a lot of
times, and I know pain isdifficult to get through, but there's a

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limit. There's a certain amount ofpain that comes from the experience and then
the rest is you putting it onyourself. And I like in the past
to driving and when you drive,you have a rearview mirror, but you
use the rearview mirror only to moveforward right, to change lanes, to
make sure that you're driving safely.But you would never drive staring in the

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rear view mirror, wouldn't you,Because if you if you just stared at
the rearview mirror, you'd crash rightabsolutely, And that's what you're doing right
now. You're driving staring in therearview mirror. So and I don't want
to I want to move forward,I really do. So today you need
you need to start and actually havea process, whether it's setting up time

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to go to church and be constructivethere. You need to find a charity
or something where you can put yourtime into helping others, not wallowing in
your own pain. And you needto dedicate yourself to those things and continue
to build up your wants and desiresin life and the things that make you
you dale so that you'll be attractiveto somebody. But somebody who's wallowing,

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who's boozing it up, is notgoing to be attractive to any woman.
That's going to be good for you. You gotta clean yourself up. Your
daddy and you're a child to God, and you gotta clean yourself up.
And then women will come and you'llbuild your life and fulfill it by yourself,

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and then you'll be ready for anotherpartner. But to sit in the
pain isn't going to help. Andthat's the best I can tell you.
It's about you applying that now.KFI Am six on demand