Jesus Christ Show | Hour 3 [10/29]

Jesus Christ Show | Hour 3 [10/29]

Episode Transcript

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You're listening to KFI AM on demand. Jim, Welcome to the Jesus Christ
Show. Hello, Hi you Jim. How can I help you? Is
this double H? Yes, thisis the Holy Host H to the h
H Squared. I get My majorquestion is I'm going through a divorce after

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thirty one years and then, oh, I'm sorry to hear that, Jim.
Yeah, yeah, it's you know, things happened in the world.
It was financial, some emotional,some other stuff. It's financial finances is
what brought this to the surface.Oh yeah, yeah, Oh that breaks
my heart. I thought that somethingso well, Okay, but and she's

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the thing is that she's involved ina major church, and we were involved
in that major church together, andthen since she made the decision to the
worst meetings stuff. It's the churchseems it seems like it backs them up.
But they kind of make a statementthe families forever, you know,
and a lot of their teachings aboutfamily forever. And you know, I

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was a good part of the churchfor many years, and you know,
I haven't had any contact with thesepeople. And I know I've tried to
go back a couple of times.It just I just didn't feel like I
was wanted to kind of thing,you know, so I kind of feel
bad about that. My wife andmy youngest daughters still go. But you

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know, I see, And there'sanother whole aspect of this too. I
mean a couple of years ago,I got double pneumonia and the swine flu,
and I had died a couple oftimes on the live support. Yeah,
I think, uh, my goodness, so you died a couple of
times, and and and this,yeah, this is did we speak before?

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No, I don't think huh,you don't hear that often the whole
died a couple of times. Now, when when this occurred? Uh?
When this occurred? Uh? Thisis a clinical death right that they're just
stopping at the heartbeat, is whatyou're talking about, right, Yeah,
first time had stopped or they failedtwo and a half minutes, and a
couple of days later was three anda half minutes. My goodness. So

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you've all that stuff. So you'vehad your share of some some ugly times
and some very rough times, andyou're trying to work yourself through them.
Now, Yeah, that's that's exactlywhat t well, You're The thing that
it is about churches is their theircommunity, and unfortunately, sometimes in that

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community, they don't always know howto deal with everything. We've kind of
this has been a running theme throughoutthe show and started with the concept of
Halloween and paganism, all these thingsand what you cut out of your life
and what you don't. Sometimes thechurch really doesn't know how to spawn to
certain ugly parts of life, thedivorce and things like that, or even

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the death of someone or strange circumstancesor whatever it is, and they just
they don't run to the aid ofAnd this isn't all churches, but some
do. And this may or maynot be the church that you were attending
in the case, but in thatcase as well. But really the important
thing is for you to find achurch to grow and to be rooted in,

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regardless of whether it's that church youwere originally in or not. Is
there a what is your goal inall of this? What are you trying
to Are you trying to get thefamily back together? Are you trying to
make yourself whole again? What isyour goal? I think the primary thing
would be to make myself whole againso I can get the family back again.

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We have four children too, sowe're not just we didn't just screw
up their lives, you know,their friends and all of our friends all
over relatives. I mean thirty oneyears of building up. Yeah, it's
a lot. It's a lot ofyou know. And then the crazy thing
is that you know it, Ithink there's some way it could be admitted.

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I just don't know how to getit all back together. And you
know, it's a long I thinkit's a long term plan, but you
know, and I just don't feelcomfortable going back to that church right now.
And they haven't even, like Isaid, they haven't even reached out
one dime and said, hey,you know how you doing. You know,
it's like, really, is ita large church? A very large

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church. Yeah, that happens.It's a very lot of there's many,
many of them, you know.So it's as like I said, it's
just ah, and there's you know, there's some factors the churches. I've
always been turned off about it asa hypocritical attitude of some people. It's
like it's Okay, you shouldn't dothat, or and I should do this.

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And listening to you, how you'resaying that to find the middle road,
because everything you do is not always, So that's a terrible thing,
you know, just like watching youknow, you know, Halloween movie or
something. You know, that's notlike you're the devil worship or you're enjoying
a movie or something. No.I find that the church likes the pendulum
to swing hard left or hard right. And and that doesn't mean to be

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mediocre. I say in scripture,if you're luke warm, I'll spit you
out of my mouth. It's notto be lukewarm. It's a matter of
finding that true balanced Jim. It'sa matter of saying, okay, well,
where is a place of health forme and something that will not distract
or take me away from the Gospelor my faith. And in your circumstances,

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in going through pain or a divorceor any of these things can be
quite distracting. And God's desire isalways for reconciliation when possible. If your
wife's not here to talk and speakfor herself, but I'd be I'd be
curious to see, Jim, ifyour wife was on the phone and I
asked her why you guys got adivorce? What do you think the top

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three reasons she would give. Oh, she would probably start off with did
I don't have to have a steadyincome, you know, because I had
you know, I've obviously you know, I was in the hospital for two
weeks, you know, a coupleof years ago then they you know,
it took me two or three monthsto recuperate from that. So okay,

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what would be the second, Iwould say, So that would be the
financial aspect that I would think.Second would be any type of any type
of drinking of alcohol whatsoever. Andat the same time she she goes out
and has Martinas and has a beerto him. I'm not I'm a casual
drinker, but you know she thinksthat that, you know, and I've
never ever got I'm not a personthat gets abusive, uh ever, you

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know, but you know, okay, I'll let you We'll go by these
point by point here. But andthen the third, I would say,
the relationship that I had with thefour kids. You know, the all
four kids are pretty much like andI hate to say this, but on
my side, you know, theytake their mama's you know, their mother

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went has gone through a menopause,you know, so after doing all that
menopause and stuff and everything, shedid like a one eighty at one point,
and I was, you know,I was financially trying to help her
in her business, her things thatshe was doing, and she got to
be kind of a drain on thefamily money. And then okay, yeah,
we owned her sisters a bunch ofmoney and her sister never paid it

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back. Okay, Well, wellwe have a bunch of issues there.
You know, there's a lot ofissues there, and those going in a
couple of different directions, Jim,So, I would say the financial one
may deal with something just beyond finances. Have you always been kind of in
and out of work? No?Not, you know, never. Actually
I've only a couple of businesses andI've done I've made you know, tons

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of money and if employed mostly orI've worked for companies for you know for
five six, seven years and maybeyou know with a general manager, made
tons of money. And then we'vealways lived in you know, in South
County. It's always my kids alwayswent to the same elementary school, the
same middle school. Now like kidsalways you know, they were to sports

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and wrestling, softball, whatever.Well, I'm going to say this,
Jim, just out of because thesake of time and the opportunity we have
is that you need to take thosethree answers that you gave me that you
think your wife would say, andyou need to make a list for yourself
is to what part you played inthem and how you can change them or

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where you need to work on them. You know, sickness and things like
that. It will come and go, but you have to look at those
things. I want you to gothrough each one of them and decide what
your part in them, in eachof them is, And I want you
to call me back next week preferablyif you can, if not, the
following week, and let's talk againso we can go over those, sort

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through those and see what your partis for making you a better you first
before you get back into the relationship. John, Welcome to the Jesus Christ
Show. Yes, I've had aquestion about your name. What the name
Jesus? Yeah, what is areal name, because well, it all

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depends on it. It all dependson from where you stand. The actual
name is Yeshurmsk in the Hebrew,but it's not the full name. Jesus
or Joshua is actually referring to myactual name. Jesus is the modification of

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that name, and it's what peopleare most comfortable with now. But a
lot of people think that the termChrist that comes after it is part of
my name, and it's not.That actually stands for my title. It
means the chosen one, and thatin context, it was pointing out that

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I was the Messiah that was spokenabout in the Old Testament. Now,
if you have questions further than that, maybe your question was actually more about
this program and what this show isabout. While I will leave that up
to you and do an investigation onyour own, I'm sure you're a very
very smart man who can figure thatout as to why we're here and what
we're doing. And that's a wholedifferent question. But names are important throughout

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scripture. If you look at thenames of people, they had more weight
and more meaning than they do now. Now sometimes people will name their child
after somebody special or after something special, or about the time that they were
born and things like that, Andin two thousand years ago, it was

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more important to have a name thatdescribed something. Really, that's what it
was doing. It was a namedescribed a situation or a person or a
happenstance that was surrounding that person's birth. That really lent itself to the beauty
of the name. Last names didn'texist. Last names were simply a description
of where you were from or adescription of who you were born, unto

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maybe your parents. That's why,like the name Josephson or Johnson or these
types of things that you hear,you think, oh, well, that's
the last name. No, really, if you take it apart, it
was referring to someone being Joseph's son, John's son, and it was a
description as to from where they came, which was of great importance in the

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Bible. You'll find a lot ofthat. Joseph of Aramathea, Jesus of
Nazareth, these types of things ajudas is scariot, describing certain attributes or
places they come from, or thingsthat they did. And in that way
you learn a little something about someonejust by here in their name. Scott,

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Welcome to the Jesus Christia. Hi, Hi, but glad you could
take my call, my pleasure.What's going on? Well, I just
you know, I'm just kind ofin a quandary. I've been married for
about ten years and me and mywife have you know, got along great
early on, and now it's developedmore kind of into roommate status and we

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haven't been intimate in about three orfour years. Oh goodness. Yeah,
And I don't know how to turnit around. And I'm kind of a
passionate when you know, I triedto do the romance and all that stuff,
and she's just cold to that.And I'm not shooting my own horn,

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but I'm you know, I'm anattractive man, and so I just
don't know what's healthy and what Ishould where you draw the line or what
well? And is it? Wouldyou consider your home a Christian home?
Yeah? Okay, so you're bothbelievers? Yeah, okay. And you

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say three or four years ago,did it like kind of trickle out?
Yeah, it kind of trickled out. I mean, you know, we
had our ups and downs in ourrelationships like any couple does and everything like
that, and then it just kindof disappeared and never been able to get

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that part back. I mean,we get along great as friends, we
go out and do things together,we go on vacations together, but the
physical part is non existent. Hm. And you know what, I want
to talk to you more about thisbecause I think it's it's it's a bigger
issue than some people may think.And the fact that you were so bold

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to call in, and a lotof a lot of men wouldn't. In
this case, I really want totake a look at a couple of things
and ask you some questions. Canyou can you stick around for a moment,
Yeah, okay, hold on,and then when we come back,
I'll ask you a couple more questions. We were talking with Scott. Scott,
you're still with us. You weresaying that you've been married for ten

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years. Yeah, about ten years, okay, and the past four or
so three years there or four years, your wife slowly had less and less
interest in sex. And you say, other than that, the relationship is
great. You guys, you know, go out, you see movies,
you hang out together, you goon vacations together, but no sex.

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Right. Has your wife prior hadany medical issues at all or changed medications
or anything like that. Well,yeah, I mean she said some medications
when it comes to the things suchas fibromyogia and things of that nature,
which she could be a contributing factor. She has some hormone issues and some
sleep bud sure issues and so forth, but she's never been, you know,

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a real sexual type of creature.So going into this marriage. When
you guys were first married, shewasn't even it's terribly interested in sex,
or yes she was, but notshe wasn't a wild yet like some of
the ladies I'd had in the past. Wow. Well, okay, okay,

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Scott, that might be filed undert M I maybe, but I
appreciate the insight the reason why Iask these things. This is not a
medical show. Of course, welook at the spiritual aspects of things,
and from a biblical and mainstream Christianperspective. But I asked those things because
all of that kind of points tothe direction of, you know, where

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one might look for answers in somethinglike this. Now, when it first
started, you say, three orfour years ago, what would be the
excuse or the response to you becomingamorous and approaching her sexually for her?
Yeah, when she just shut youdown cold. I have a headache.

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I've got to rearrange my sock drawer. What kind of response? I mean,
it would just be just about anything, you know. It would be
you know, not feeling well,too much stress at work, you know,
those kind of kind of things.Even when we get away on vacations

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or whatever. It seems to alwaysland on her cycle, so to seek
those kinds of issues that you wouldcome up with. And you know,
we've been rebuilding our relationship slowly,you know, like I said, we've
had some lips downs in Okay,Well what are those ups and downs When
you say you're rebuilding, what areyou rebuilding? What was torn down or
broken? Well, you know,I have a son from a previous marriage

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that lived with this for a bit, not a previous marriage, but previous
girlfriend, and uh, you knowthat caused a little bit of differences of
opinions. Years ago. I usedto drink, I repented and I haven't
drunk in years, stuff like that. So there there there were some of
those issues that that what kind ofdrinker were you? Were you a mean

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drunk? Well, I'm sloppy,sloppy okay, yeah, an embarrassing drunk
okay, Yeah, And did didand that was done in front of her
quite often. Uh yeah, shewas. She wore witnessed to that.
But at the same time, youknow, she loves me and I loved
her, and I went and tookcare of that and she's always been supportive

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of that. And uh, youknow that that isn't the issue certainly now,
Uh you know that's that's some timeago. And uh, you know
the reason why I bring that upthough, Scott, So you know is
that sometimes in relationships you get indifferent modes. And let's say she,

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of course she loves you, youlove her, and she's in that mode
of taking care of you when you'resloppy, drunk, and it takes her
energy and all of those things thatsometimes the resentment builds up, and then
when you're well, your partner canbecome quite distant, still working through those

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things in those memories or gosh,I remember this or that as they one
start to learn the new you andhow the new you works and the healthy
you works and all of those things, and they can be resentful of well,
how came you didn't do it sooner? Or do you not care?
There's a lot of things the Majalthe illnesses, let's put it that way.

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The illness is that you named fouror five of them actually that might
play a part, or even hormonesspecifically. Some of them deal with pain,
some of them do not. Doesshe ever comment about pain? Oh,
yeah, she's a pain quite abit, and so on. But
I don't think that that would benecessarily the reason behind it. I guess

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my concern is, you know,I'm married, I but her fibromyalogia does
that does that manifest itself in pain? Yes? Okay, yeah, and
that's been since you that's been prettymuch you know, the whole marriage,
Okay. And the hormone thing thatthat concerns me quite a bit. The

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hormone. You said there was hormoneissues and she on medication. Yeah,
yeah, some degree. I meanshe didn't take the estrogens and stuff like
that because the cancer so far,but she she takes, you know,
some different medications which could affect couldaffect that absolutely, not only could,
but probably do. I mean,there's a lot to it. And the

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reason that's why I wanted to kindof hear that stuff because those things you
need to see a medical doctor andsee how this plays. And she's got
to have interest in doing that becauseshe's gonna have to play a big part
scripturally. The reason why we didn'tgo straight to scripture because I could tell
that there was something underlying. There'ssome other concerns as well, But I

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would encourage you to read First Corinthianschapter seven and goes through the concept of
the principles for a married life.And one of those things in verse five
talks about not depriving one another ofsex. When you're married, you should
never deprive each other of sex exceptfor times of prayer and menstruation period.

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So and I know sometimes people haveheadaches, it doesn't matter. Coming together
and having that time to be togetheris very important for both men and women,
and it's healthy. So it soundsto me like this is beyond just
celibacy or her not being interested.Uh. And it sounds like beyond just
the spiritual needs and the and thethings that I mentioned in First Corinthians seven

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is that there's some medical issues thatneed to be addressed. And the only
the thing about sex when you're married, there's a partnership. That partnership,
Scott, is something that you've builtalong with your wife. And you build
it up and you say, you'reyou're a good looking man. I'm sure

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she's a beautiful woman. And andthose are the things that that first brought
you together. And you see differentthings in each other and it's exciting and
you engage in this this wonderful Godgiven union that is uh, it's only
for you guys, you know,it's intimate and it's connective, and it's

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beautiful and all those things. Butoutside of the picture, it's like watching,
you know, people dance without music. It looks silly, and if
people thought about what they were doingwhen they dance, it becomes silly.
But when you're just feeling the musicand letting yourself go, it's wonderful.

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So similarly so is sex in marriage. That when you let yourself go and
you're so connected, then you justreact and you do and you enjoy.
But if you start to parse itor intellectualize it or make too much out
of it, it becomes awkward andweird. So when there's a space of

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time of any kind, let alonethree or four years, re engaging that
part of your life will be strangeand not exciting like when you were first
married. Strange where you're learning abouteach other's bodies and once and desires and
things like that. It becomes anew type of strange because whether you believe

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it or not, whether you're goodlooking, she's good looking, whether you've
been with people in your past orshe's been with people, it doesn't matter.
There's still that that does, thatdesire to be accepted by your partner,
and in the back of your headthe thought, well did I do
something to make her not want me? Or her thinking well, you know,

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I've gone through you know, hormoneissues and medical issues, and and
I don't know, maybe she hasscars or dozen or bodies body has changed.
There's a new awkwardness that comes toit comes to play in the situation,
and and so you know it's goingto be awkward. And I think

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in order to bring that back one, I think sharing times of intimacy and
scripture and prayer and things like thata great start too, to get into
some counseling, possibly with the pastto help guide you guys back into that
part of your lives. And threeand very important is to go see seek

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medical help and sit down with adoctor and really go not just for the
aches and pains or for the thingsthat she's going through, but you go
in with her and to talk aboutthe fact that you guys aren't having sex,
that you guys aren't coming together andhaving that part of your life,
because the resentment is already going tobe wedged in there at this point,

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no matter how kind you are,no matter how kind she is, and
it's going to take a little bitto kind of break that and not feel
weird about it and just make itnatural and normal again and part of your
relationship, which is where it shouldbe and needs to be. If you
get to that point, it canbe a huge problem in a relationship.

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And you know, God bless youfor standing by her and not taking the
easy way out and looking for youknow, other sexual partners and so on.
The world would say, oh,yeah, you deserve it, go
do it. You got it.And partially she is abandoning the marriage,
and I get that. But tostand firm and strong in your conviction convictions

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and look at this as an opportunityof growth and newness in the relationship can
be very wonderful and exciting. It'sjust going to need some outside help to
get you to that point. Soyou read that homework that I gave you
in First Corinthians, chapter seven.You pray on what your next step is.
You pray with your wife, Youfind pastoral counseling or somebody that can
help bring those issues together about reignitingthat. And you find medical help to

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figure out what is going on andhow some of the medications or the hormone
balance or imbalance or these types ofthings are affecting her desire to be with
you sexually. Started earlier today talkingabout the concept of paganism and how it

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permeates really everything, that if asa believer you are trying to run from
anything dealing with paganism, that youwill have an easier time trying to pick
an actor who hasn't been in afilm with who Tony Kevin Bacon. And

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that is to say that there inlife and in culture, the cultures are
built upon really somebody living in aplace looking to the left and looking to
the right and seeing what the naturalresources are to make clothing, to make
food, and this becomes the culture. So if you know, you see

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the Mexican culture culture, or yousee you know, to this side you
see a Native American culture, oryou keep looking around and seeing, oh,
well, this is the German cultureand the if you pull them apart,
you'll start seeing that they intertwine quitea bit. And the Mexican culture

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the use of certain instruments, includingyou know, playing certain types of songs
that sound like their ompapa when youwhen you hear them, you go,
well, where did that come?Well? That comes from Germany. So
when you see these things or hearthem and you go, well where did

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this come from? Where you'll findthat they meld together. American Indians are
no longer living in teepees. Well, culture changes and grows, and it's
not that the accordion was native toMexico. It's that it's brought there and
then that gets used and the foodsif you look, it's the region.

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I'm always humored by people that gointo different parts of Central America and the
like and start looking for to thinking, well, right, they've got beans,
they've got rice, they've got it. No, they don't, and
that there's difference. Even though there'sgonna be similarities in certain places, are
going to be differences and others.And this is the same with religion or

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faith. You have the Word ofGod, which is in scripture and pointing
to things both culturally that were goingon in the time, both with Pagans
and with our Jewish brothers and sisters, and these things are all taking part
and going in different directions for servingparticular purposes and still intertwined with their immediate

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cultures as well. The food ofthe day and the you know, the
you think of the passover. Youthink of the things that are taking place
with the breaking of bread. That'sall because that was the culture of the
time. So some things around religionwill change as well, if you'd want
to rid yourself of all pagan concepts. It's not about Halloween. Halloween really,

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although it's a derivative if you traceit all the way back to Sowin,
which was a Celtic festival. Yes, well you can say, well
that's pagan, but then you havePope Gregory Iird designating November first is All
Saints' Day. Then the day priorautomatically became all hollows Eve and that becomes
Halloween. So it has a Christiantwist throughout the centuries as well. And

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you start looking at these things andseeing that it's more than just the obvious.
And that's what I want from youwhen you're using discernment, discern not
just based on the obvious, butabout a true understanding about what's going on.
There are things in Christianity that ourdirect result of paganism. The Cross
most certainly, the fish and theapplication of the fish fish most certainly.

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You look at the symbol for virgo. You can look it up online and
you'll see the fish embedded in thatvery symbol, along with the Hebrew character
for mem You'll see these things.There's more to it than just a clean
lineage, and that's because people areparticipating in it. Doesn't mean have the

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necronomicon in your house or pentagrams.It's not what I'm saying saying use good
judgment, healthy judgment. Don't havethat attitude of just zero tolerance, because
that's just lazy spirituality. I appreciateyou taking the time to join me today.
Enjoy yourself, and above all things, be safe. And more importantly

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than all the craziness in the world, these simple words I want you to
remember. I am with you always. KFI am sixty on demand