Jesus Christ Show | Hour 3 [11/05]

Jesus Christ Show | Hour 3 [11/05]

Episode Transcript

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You're listening to KFI on demand.Dan, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Hello. I have a sister thatthat says, she reads in the
Bible that God is a punishing God. If you lie, you cheat,
you steal, God will come uponyou with his wrath and and and and

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punish you. I always thought thatthat God was merciful, God was forgiving,
God understood God. God helped youget out of these things. But
she's she honestly believes that, Know, if you're a sinner, if you

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lie, you cheat, you steal, that God's going to come upon you
and bad things are going to happen. He's going to come down with his
wrath and you better watch out.Well, it's a nice healthy combination of
the two beliefs. Really, Godis a God of justice absolutely, and
yes, I will punish on accordingto the deeds that a person does.

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However, keep in mind that oftenthe punishment is the consequence of the very
act itself. You know, ifyou steal, if you live a life
of crime, you'll probably go tojail. So if you think that God,
that that mercy is somehow ignorant,or that grace is somehow blind,

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that's absolutely wrong. God is agod of justice. Do you think it's
loving, Dan for a parent notto punish their child when there when their
child does something wrong? Is thatthe loving thing to do? Well?
I understand that. I understand that. But there's uh people who who who

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in their hearts understand the wrong thatthey do, Then why do they do
it? Well? There's there's uh, there's good. In my opinion is
that there's good and there's bad thisin this world. Yes, and it's
it's the nature. I think onecould say, if you have it lied,

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if you haven't cheated, you know, throw the first roun. But
it's it's human nature to to toto lie. I believe that nobody is
one hundred perfect. Okay, understoodDan, But but you should be seeking
perfection even though you won't obtain it. You should always seek being the best

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you can. You should always tryand eradicate one more lie from your conversation,
from your day, from your week. I understand that. But you
shouldn't be walking around thinking that youhave a get out of jail free card
because you know God, No,I believe I believe if you do wrong

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you should pay the price. Okay, Then when then wherein lies the problem.
Well, I'm not but I'm nottalking about anything of physical I'm not
talking about you amongous things as stealingthe from the poor and robbing a bank
and taking somebody's life. But Godsees those is all equal. You're the

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one that sees those as different.Man sees those as a hierarchy. But
ultimately, any sin is a slapin the face of God. Any sin,
no matter how small. I understandthat. I understand that, I
understand that. Well, you've answeredmy question. I appreciate that. Thank
you. Oh I hope so,Dan, But I get the feeling that

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maybe there's something else more to it. Truth be told that it becomes very
easy for people to try and partitionGod. God is all love, God
is all justice. God has wrath. God is compassionate. All these things

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are true. You can't separate them, and many of them go hand in
hand in a way that you don'teven think about. So to define,
to think that God's going to lookthe other way when you do things is
not correct. God knows your heartas well. God knows when you make

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mistakes. You can't just use theexcuse that, oh, well, I'm
going to sin because I'm a sinner. God knows this as well. But
you need to seek those things thatare good and trust that in your rebellion.
If you get into a state whereyou just continue to throw aside anything

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that God says and think, hey, well, I'm just a sinner God,
then you will lose sight of God. Because the biggest consequence is it
changing the relationship you have with Godbecause you start to distance yourself from Him.
So keep that in mind. Mike, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.

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Good morning, Jesus. First ofall, thank you so much for
what you did for me. Iknow that I don't deserve any of that,
and I don't deserve to judge others, but I have to live in
the flesh and I need to knowwhat to do because your word says that
children are a gift from God.And yet you know, I'm in a

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situation where for fifteen years I haveso much as a father to give to
my daughter, and because of hermother and because of the system that I
have to go through to be nearmy daughter, it's been extremely difficult.
At best, It's me and fortymen and other man. I know I'm
not alone, but I'm adopted andthis is my only flesh and blood blood,

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and what do anymore? And Ican't. I can't. You know,
people tell me to turn away,you need to move along with your
life. And how am I supposedto do that? To turn away from
your daughter? Well, I mean, you know, because it's difficult.
It's hard to balance until I can, I feel, I until I can
get that relationship you know, inplace, and I can, you know,

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so I can be available to mine, but daughter can be available to
me, and vice versa. It'shard for me to quote unquote move on
with my life or get into whatwhat's what's the impeding process here, what's
the what's the hurdle that you're havinga hard time getting over to be able
to do? It's just plain ofthat I personally am Yeah. Is it

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just just your your your wife?Well, you know she's gone through a
second marriage and since divorced, andand and my daughter's being raised in a
in an environment that doesn't really carefor men that much anyway, and so
it's it's just basic, plain oldparent alienation. There's nothing special about it.

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It's just been really difficult for meto accept it, I guess,
and to not give up on thefight of being a part of my dollar's
life as much as possible. Andit's just it's just an old fashioned parent
alienation and I've got to go throughthe same meat grinders as the father that
doesn't want to be a part oftheir kid's life. It's the same meat

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grinder. Okay, well, thenthe process is going to be the same.
And I'm going to ask you tohold on Mike as we take a
quick break because I want to talkto you some more. But if the
situation is the old the same oldstory, then the response is going to
be similar. But I have somethoughts for you when we return talking with

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Mike. Thanks for holding Mike.You're in a situation where you're divorced and
your wife has your child. Whydoes your wife have the custody of the
child. Well, we have jointlegal, joint physical, and I mean
it's not like and I have aI do have a relationship with my child,

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but it's been because I've you know, I've spent countless money and hours
in time over fifteen years to stayplugged in. But it's just it's it's
agonizing, it's a long suffering thatI wonder if I'm even doing the right
thing anymore. I mean to bewith your child, yes, of course,

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well I can't imagine not doing that. But I understand why guys walk
away because it's so difficult, andI just wonder, you know, if
I'm if if children are a giftfrom God, and God knows my heart,
and God has you know, promisedto fulfill the desires of my heart

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as I seek him first, whatI'm doing wrong or I just don't know.
I don't know any more or howto process this on a daily basis,
you know, because I just don'tget to be as part much a
part of my daughter's life as i'dlike to be. Okay, now that
is by if it's fifty to fiftysplit, how often do you get to
the joint custody, how often doyou get to see your daughter? Well,

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it's pretty much she's fourteen, ashand just at the games or whatever.
I mean. The mothers ilated thecourt order every year for fifteen years.
And there's a many, so manyfor you know, there's a many,
so many filing fees and attorneys andtwenty five hundred dollars a pop.
You can do it, Mike,No you've got nothing else. There is
no other part of your life untilthis child is eighteen. You agreed now,

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regardless of your bad choice in womenor her bad choice in men,
uh speaking of your ex wife,that you have to do that. Your
child is not part of the divorce. Child children don't get divorced. So
this is something you have to do, just like your job. Like anything
else. This is you have todo any thing and everything whatever it takes

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to be a part of that child'slife, even if it's a pain.
Well, yeah, and agree,I mean I'm not. I'm not even
if we're close to I mean I'vegotten we don't have time on the radio
show, of course, but Imean the hoops have jumped through the state
like then. I understand a proofof that, but it's I guess.
The part that I'm asking about todayis, you know, how do I

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balance the other parts of my lifewhen this continues to be such an unresolved,
overpowering thing. It's made it difficultfor me to uh, you know,
develop relationships, you know, andlook outside because I feel like it's
such a mess. That's not thosethings aren't important. I want you to
imagine it this way. You're ona ship and the ship has problems staying

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buoyant and you have to toss thingsoff the ship that you have to be
comfortable with tossing everything off that shipexcept your daughter. That's it. Okay,
well then I'm on track. StateI'm an absolutely gladiator about it.
So that's fine. That's where.Well, then you are on the right
track, Mike, because that's whatit comes down to when you start going

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through the checklist on that ship sayingOkay, well I don't need this or
I don't need that. You gotto cut all those things loose. You've
got four more years. If she'sfourteen, you got four more years,
uh, to do anything on everythingpossible, to be in that child's life,
to show your face, to explainthe way life works, to give
her insights about life, to apologizefor the mistakes you've made, to tell

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her that that it's you know that. And this is important because people don't
get this sometimes in relationships, andwe talk about this kind of corny,
but it's a good way to rememberabout relationships. Relationships are like colors.
Okay, you get two different people, two different colors, and you put
them together. There are ugly combinations, but it doesn't mean the individuals are

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bad. So every color is beautifulin its own right. Some combinations not
so good. So keep that inmind in that you can talk to your
daughter and say, listen, it'snot about your mother, it's not about
me. We out both have ourown issues, but the one thing we
agreed on always is how beautiful andwonderful you are and how much we love

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you. And that's what I'm fightingfor. I will do anything and everything
to be a part of your life, and I want you to know it
and how much I love you,and I am so proud of you and
the things that you've done, andI don't want to make mistakes that I've
made become part of your life.And you need to be honest as you
can, age appropriate and fight forthe next four years because it's not about

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you right now. You kind ofgave that up during the process, and
it really stinks. But it soundslike you're fighting, and I can hear
the pain and I hear the quiveringin your voice. But you have to
push through that and continue to fightuntil it's over. And that's eighteen that
fights over, and then the daughtercan come and go as she pleases,

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and your relationship will change. Milton, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Good morning, Jesus. How areyou so? I am well? How
are you? I'm so good?Thank you so much for this program.
I had a quick question about musicchoices. I work with a lot of
youth and I always am getting questionsabout music and music selection, particularly when

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it comes to secular versus gospel orChristian music in general. I know that
you have such great selections here andit's not relegated to just Christian music.
So can you help me out alittle bit with that? Oh? Excellent.
It's a great question, an importantone early on in the program.
The program's actually been around for along time, but early on in the

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program, my producer Neil felt thatit was very important to use a mix
of music, not all gospel.It's not a religious show, a show
about truth and about searching and hopefullyfinding, and so it's important to get
people in that mentality and it's beena big part of the people that participate
in the show. Engineer Tony isalso our music director, and it becomes

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a big part of the program.If you listen to it, it ties
in but Early on, people wouldgo, well, how come you're using
secular music, And my response hasalways been that the enemy has always taken
that which is for God, thatis to glorify God, and try and
tear it down and try and makeit into something ugly. And on this

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show we kind of do the reverseand take the things that the enemy may
use at times, not all secularmusic, but what the enemy may use
at times for doing bad, andtwist it into doing good and kind of
one up the enemy that way.Also, there's a lot of good music
out there that's secular. Truth istruth is truth, Truth is God's truth,

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And as long as it's not prescribingsomething ugly or evil, then we'll
use it here, and I thinkthat it's okay. Now. Also,
we will use some things that Iwouldn't necessarily recommend sometimes because we feel that
they are the voice of the listener, Like there's times where the listener will

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be upset or going through pain andwill scream out to God. And I
think that that's a legitimate art form. So as far as kids are concerned,
it's good to listen to what they'relistening to, but understand that they
may not receive the music you thinkin a way that you think they're receiving
it. They may just like thebeat. Oftentimes you'll get that they may

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just like the way the voice soundsand they're not even hearing the words.
So using that is a kind ofa place to start and go, Okay,
what are the words saying and whatare they meaning? And what does
the person the kid listening think thatthey mean. And you'll find that that
you don't always even understand what's goingon. It's usually going to come down

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to the music, and you haveto use that as a guideline as to
whether it's going to affect the childor not. Sean, Welcome to the
Jesus Christ Show. Hello Jesus.I have a question. My brother in
law is a Christian. He's beena Christian mostly all his life, and
he used to go set up tentsall over the world and that and he

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changed my life about fifteen years ago. And I used to live in Niagara
Falls in New York and I movedhere to Arizona. And I was talking
to him about a month ago becauseI like keeping in touch with him,
and we talked about the Holy Spiritand just I just get drunken about the
Holy Spirit. I loved talking tohim. And he was telling me a
month ago as he was going upstairsto his bedroom that someone tapped on his

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shoulders and it was Jesus, andhe said, you know, he looked
at him and just started laughing thesmuts, and Jesus said to him,
he said, let's go for awalk. I'm going to take you somewhere
and show you some things that's goingon in the world right now. It
kind of makes me jealous because Ibelieve in my brother in law so much.
He doesn't lie and he tells thetruth. And I believe in Jesus

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so much that I wish how comehe come to me like that, you
know, in human spirit and sitand talk to me, you know.
And well, it kind of batteredme because I'm jealous because I love Jesus
and I believe him are of asudden, but it's not a thing I
have today is because of him.But don't get into a place of jealousy
that comes from the devil. There'sno there's no benefit to covet in that

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particular case. And we have kindof a standing rule when it comes to
things experiences Sean. You can't takeaway from someone's experience because you weren't there,
So I don't want to pull aparthis experience. And it's not like
anything was said that was, youknow, somehow contrary to scripture. But

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for me to appear to somebody isvery would be very specific, and it
wouldn't just be random, per se. And the things that are taught can't
be like hidden knowledge like the Gnosticsthought, can't be something that is you
know. It's like, now youhave information that other people don't that could
be dangerous. But putting aside theapparition, putting aside and trusting that it

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is what it is, you say, he's not a liar. The jealousy
issue comes to the forefront that ifyou get caught up. Christians do this
all the times. They get caughtup in what other people's gifts are,
and that is completely worldly. That'sof the devil, that has nothing to
do with God and Corinthians. Ittalks about the varied gifts, the different

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gifts, and that if that,you know, if you don't have that
particular gift or you don't have thatexperience, doesn't mean that you won't have
another one. But while you're focusingon that. If you're lost in that
person's gift, if you're lost inthat person's abilities, you're lost in what's
going on in that person's life.You're not receptive to those things that God
has for you. That's where theshape comes in. That's the bummer of

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the situation. To be caught upin that state of coveteousness is only going
to keep you from moving and strengtheningyourself. Praise God that you are in
the state that you are in,Sean, That's wonderful that this person in
your life helped bring you to theknowledge of Christ, to the power of

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this belief system, and to thereality of God becoming man and dying for
your sins. That's huge. Thereis no other gift greater. Humans get
caught up in the physical, inthe now, and in wanting to see
signs and wonders miracles, And I'mtelling you the most precious miracle possible is

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that God sent me to die onthat cross so that you could have life
everlasting. If you receive that gift, there is no gift greater than that,
not even me showing up at thefoot of your bed, because coming
and dying for you was the bestgift I could possibly give. Mary.

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Welcome to the Jesus Christ. Thankyou Jesus for help in every area of
my life. I really really appreciateall that you do for me every day.
Well, it's nice of you tosay you're very welcome. How can
I help you today? Well,Jesus, you said that all men would
know us by our love, thelove that we have one for another,
and the love that we show theworld. Yes, John thirteen thirty five.

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Yes, and Jesus. My concernis that when I tried to talk
to people about you being real andthe wonderful things that you want to give
eternal life and your great promises,they associate you with a particular group of
people. Even relatives don't want anypart of you because they associate you with

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the rage that they're hearing, thepolitical rage and the frenzy, and they
don't feel that that is very lovingof us. And it's hard for me
to get past that. And Idon't know how to deal with it myself,
because I have friends that are verypolitical in their Christian friends and they
call in an up war. Andif I don't, if I'm not careful

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I get caught up into that,and then I have a spirit of offense
or an attitude of being angry.And I have literally had to cry out
to you, God, save myheart, save me from being angry or
offended, because I cannot have arelationship with you if I'm against this,
against that, and getting swept upinto the frenzy. So how do I

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convey to both sides, my nonbelieving friends and my Christian friends that you're
not in the middle of all ofthis anger and all of this, you
know, just being upset. That'snot you. Well, not always the
case. There is a time tobe upset. If you remember there in
scripture, I turned over the merchantsat the temple, and that was anger.

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There was righteous indignation, and thereis a time and a place for
anger. There's also Matthew ten thirtyfour says, think not that I came
to bring peace on earth. Icame to bring a sword. There is
going to be times to rise up. Matthew eleven twelve talks about that the
kingdom is since the time of Johnthe Baptist, the Kingdom has suffered violence

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and that it's people are trying totake it by force. There is going
to be defense of the kingdom atsome times. However, yes, he's
a scie. Saw you'd being angrywith religious people, not the sinners.
Though, No, it's true,but in this case you're talking about religious
people that were outside of the flock, but they're angry at political things instead
of being angry at sin in general. Yes, more of an anger over

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power. And I'm like, well, wait a minute, the anger you
had was just people being the hatredand the sin that caused people to hate
other people. I'm just trying tofigure out how do we show love but
yet it has to be tough sometimestoo. Hold on that thought, Mary,
I'll come back with more thoughts onthis. We were chatting with Mary.

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Mary, you're still there, Yes, thanks for holding my dear.
But I was saying, Jesus say, is you weren't mad at your government,
though you were mad at the religioushypocrites? Right? Correct. There
is the place for anger, Butmy thing is keeping calm and keeping walking
in love no matter what, toall people. And well, how do
you do that? Because you dosee things that are wrong, But at

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the same time, I don't,as your example, I don't ever see
you rising up against any type ofsuperpower of your day. You didn't take
Caesar to task, right, therewas a specific need to my being here,
though, that's completely different. Iwas, if you recall that,
And I said this on more thanone occasion. There were times where I

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said, you can't do anything tome. If I batted my eyes,
there would be a legion of angelshere to fight, not to shake hands,
not to high five, but tofight for me if I so willed
it. Also to Pontus Pilot.In the discussion with Ponchous Pilot, he
looked at me and wanting me toshut up, said don't you know that
I can crucify you? And Ilooked at him and said, don't you

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know that that authority comes from me? So there is a battle that goes
on. There's never in the caseof John the Baptist, John the Baptist
baptized military men never once saying thatthey had to leave the military. There
is a purpose to fighting at times. There are times in scriptures where it
says, if you don't have asword, sell your cloak, buy a

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sword, because there's going to bea time there's going to be a necessity
for fight. At times, nowwhat I don't like, Mary that you
brought up. If that's the onlything that's being seen, there has to
be a balance. Yes, itsays in John thirteen thirty five that Christians
will be known by their love forone another and even their love for their

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enemies. But this kind of,this lukewarm, sappy kind of I'm just
going to smile while someone's pummeling meor pummeling the very foundations of my faith
doesn't help anybody. It doesn't helpany You wouldn't do that in your home.
You wouldn't say, come in ravagemy home, ravage my family,

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harm them, and leave because youdon't know any better. There are scriptures
that point out the fact that Christiansshouldn't think that non Christians are going to
ask christianly. Why would a nonChristian act christianly? It's not their nature,
it's not their care. They don'tthey don't know better. I know
that sounds incredibly connesset, but Imean that in the most academic sense.

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They just don't know. That's nottheir way of living. So yes,
to force those ideas on people thatdon't believe that way doesn't make sense.
I agree with you in that senseand say on the show many times that
as Christians, you are called tochange hearts, not laws. The laws

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will follow, laws will change withthe changing of hearts. But that's God
gauges people on their heart. Andso the battle goes on, whether it's
abortion or whether it's the churches battlingin their eyes the noble quest for some
ideal or whatever it is. That, yes, that can be misconstrued,

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and oftentimes even for noble and righteouscauses, people consume them and they become
their God. People start worshiping thesecauses in the Christian rights has done this
at times as well. Get lostin the cause, get lost in the
political fight, get lost in allthese things where God means nothing. Now,
now it's about the fight and notthe purpose of the fight. That

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it's the fight engulfs the individual towhere it's not about God anymore. It's
not about what's righteous, it's notabout teaching, training, showing loving.
It's about the battle. And thenpride dips in and all those things.
But there the two sides to thisis one, there are absolutely things that
Christians should fight for. Your abilityto worship as you wish, when you

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wish in the United states, andto defend when that is being taken away
from you, and then slowly todefend those that are weaker in a way
that glorifies God and shows people thelove and consistency of the truth of God,
so that people may learn from it. And all those you know have

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a place. But it's not it'snot like you just want to be loved.
Well, I just want to beliked. Therefore I'm just only going
to say nice things. I'm nevergonna that doesn't help anybody. Correction is
important in life. Doesn't always haveto come at the end of a sword,
but correction is important. So thebalance here is that Christians should be

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should be showing and demonstrating both loveand defense when necessary. But the world's
going to point out what it wantsto point out. It's going to see
what it wants to see, andit's going to mock what it wants to
mock regardless, and keep that inmind that it's not always going to be

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as cut and dry. But Ilike the spirit from where you come,
Marry, and I think your pointis very valid that Christians have to be
aware of their actions and the thingsthey do and not beat up somebody over
the head. Who doesn't who doesn'tknow, doesn't practice Christianity, doesn't even
understand. But you know I didbeat up the religious more than not,

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but for everyone's benefit to hear.I appreciate that you took the time to
join me this Sunday, as Ihope you do every Sunday. Keep in
mind, more importantly than all thecraziness that goes on in the world,
remember these words, I Am withyou Always KF I am six forty on demand