Jesus Christ Show | Hour 3 [11/19]

Jesus Christ Show | Hour 3 [11/19]

Episode Transcript

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You're listening to KFI A six ondemand. Ernie, thank you for being
so patient. Welcome to the JesusChrist Show. Good morning. My name
is Ernie and I from Los Angeles. Yesterday I experienced a get in the
family. My granddaddy passed away atone hundred and two. Now, throughout
the last four to five days,I was at the hospital comforting him and

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making him feel as comfortable as Ican. My question is the dying process
was very difficult for me because ofhim. His kidneys were going now and
his lungs were flaring out. Everythingis just shutting down in his body.
My question is why did it takesso long for God to comfort him?

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Well, I understand that question comesfrom a very emotional place and rightly so.
As you watch someone like that gothrough that process of decay and death,
it's incredibly painful. But you haveto look at the overall scheme of

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things. Some people might ask,my goodness, he lived to one hundred
and two. There's a lot ofliving in there, and there's many people
that would love that extra twenty maybethirty years than what they got. So
there's a lot of questions, Butkeep in mind that you are brought into
this world by the pain of someoneelse, and you'll leave this world in

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your own pain. And both ofthese both of these truths are to be
seen in their proper context. Andif you want some specific philosophical reason as
to why your one hundred and twoyear old grandfather suffered for twenty eight days

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or so while in the hospital,I don't know that I'm going to be
able to give you one, orat least one that would satisfy you.
But I will tell you there isalways a purpose and there's things to be
learned, whether it's the questions thatyou're asking now, whether it's the process
of understanding that life is temporal andthere is pain involved. There is also

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the understanding of pain and suffering andwhat kind of purpose it has not only
on the individual, but the peoplearound them. If this is not the
first time your grandfather suffered, now, this may have been the last time,
but it wasn't the first time.People suffer throughout their lives, and

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I guarantee a person of one hundredand two years of age has gone through
a lot of suffering in their lifeand seen a lot of things both worldwide
and in their own lives. Sosuffering is one of those things that people
kind of want to run from,and it really is part of the process.

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I say throughout Scripture, and you'regoing to suffer. I suffered,
You're going to suffer. It's goingto be a part of being human.
Now it makes more sense when yousee someone kind of suffer and then go
on with their life and maybe growfrom that suffering or understand it when it
comes at the end. It's alegitimate question. You look around Ernie and
you go, well, what canbe learned of it? He's dying,

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where is he taking that? Andthe best way to explain it is that
your life is a refining process.It is a path that God has you
on to refine you unto the momentof death for heaven. And whether there
was something more to be learned byyour grandfather, something more to be learned
by you and the others around him, is for God to know and explain

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when you stand before him. Becausethe entire process of refinement and the if
you look at and think of itas metal being refined, it's heated to
an intense degree to where all thedirt and imperfections come to the surface and
then the blacksmith will scrape the drossoff the top and continue to heat it

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up again and continue to do thatuntil it's as pure as possible. And
life is the same way. Andin that process, even unto death,
that process is going on, thatprocess of refinement and understanding. And whether
your grandfather could say it or not, or was experiencing something, you don't
know. It's between him and hismaker and the things that are going on,

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and the learning process that is takingplace goes on to this moment of
death, and it should not beassumed otherwise. Yet it's never going to
be easy to watch. It wasn'teasy to watch when he would suffer in
life, let alone suffer in death. Correct, it's correct. Thank you

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so much to help me understand alot better. You're welcome, and you
go in peace with that, Ernie. I'm sorry for your loss. I
think that as a wonderful celebration ofa life. One hundred and two years
is an amazing an amount of time, and to live and to touch countless
of lives yourself one hundred and twoyears, including the life of his grandson.

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You, Ernie, who had towatch that, And I'm sorry for
that. Pain in the sense thatI understand what it feels like and looks
like to be around it. However, the biggest, the biggest part of
the picture is that there's more toit than that pain, and that pain

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is actually points to the preciousness oflife and the importance of life and the
vibrancy of life. Otherwise that painwouldn't matter. It only matters because life
is precious and people are precious,and the time that you have here,
whether it's seventy eighty ninety or onehundred and two years, is precious.

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And even in that suffering, Iknow the world is kind of trying to
go to this place where nobody shouldsuffer. But I say in scripture,
you will suffer as I have suffered, And it has a purpose, all
of it, whether you know itor not, whether you learn it or
not. The purpose in this casemight have been for your grandfather, might

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have been for you, might havebeen for others. But all suffering has
a purpose. If for nothing else, then to understand that it will happen,
and that God said it will happen. Jessica, Welcome to the Jesus
Christ Show. Hello, Hi Jessica, Hi, how can I help you

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this kind of question up guarding andmy husband, we've been married for like
eleven years now and we have twochildren, and occasionally he will not occasionally,
it's been pretty often where he likesto he's an alcoholic and he likes
to drink. And it's getting tothe point where I don't let him watch
each other while I'm at work anymore, and he kind of bullies them and

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he's just a whole different person,and I just he's apologized many times,
but I'm just still set up thatI don't know what to do because it's
just it's like black and white withhim. He can be so normal and
then they could totally change him around. It's just, yeah, alcohol can
do that. This what's his what'shis alcoholic choice by the way, beer?

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Yeah, beer, okay? Andhow much would you say he drinks
on an average day? Well,recently it's just well sometimes it's once a
week, sometimes it's a couple oftimes a week or every other week.
And is it a six pack thathe drinks? Is a twelve pack that
he drinks in one sitting? Maybethree or four? Take too much?

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Okay? And has he ever beenthrough a program? Has he ever been
to AA or anything like that.No, just through cool order. But
he didn't. He just went becauseyou know he had to. Oh he's
been court ordered in the past.Yeah, and why did that come about?
Did he get a duy or whathappened? Oh? Yeah, he

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has several do you wuys? Hejust felt like he had to go.
Wow. So that puts uh,that puts you in a pretty horrible position.
What is your question for me thismorning? Just your advice on whether

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what to do because it's just like, I feel like he's almost another child
that I'm taken care of and hejust takes up a lot of my energy.
And has he ever hit you orthe children? Yes? You or
the children are both me, butlike he tries to teach him how to

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fight when he's strong, but it'sjust not safe. Oh wow, sure,
I understand. It's the most importantthing is that you protect yourself and
those children. And if you feelit's an unsafe environment, or you feel
that he's violent or that he hasa problem, you can give him the

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ultimatum to take care of it orthat you're gonna go. Yeah. You
you can't just sit there and waittill something happens. Ugly. If he's
a good man outside of that situation, then you need to do everything in
your power to get him outside ofthat situation. And that is whether it's
an ultimatum or what have you.If you think that an ultimatum would throw

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him into rage, then you needto get out of that home. And
he has a severe problem, andit sounds like he knows he does,
and he's wrestling with it, andhe needs to get somewhere where somebody can
help him go through the process.But don't put yourself and those children in
danger. Because you are the soberone. You have the ability to see

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what's going on, and that makesyou accountable to make sure it doesn't happen.
James, Welcome to the Jesus Christ. Yes, sir, The question
I have for you is a lotof churches teach that tiding as a requirement,
and a lot of people put theirmembers under that system and tell them

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it's a necessity. And of course, over time I run across a lot
of people they have trouble paying it, They can't afford to pay it,
they have a lot of troubles,and they feel like they can't move forward
in ministry because they cannot perform thisfinancial obligation obligation exactly. And when I
went to study the scriptures, Idetermined that this is something there's not a

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requirement for today's New Testament Christian correctAnd so I want to kind of get
your thoughts on why so many churchesteach this doctor in which if you really
read scripture, it says anybody thatjustifies themselves by the law actually becomes a
curse. Well in this particular,and that's a that's a whole different discussion
unto itself. I will I'll answerfor the sake of time, looking at

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tithing, this concept of a tenthin Hebrew, and you'll find in the
Old Testament was a command that wasfor the purpose of giving back that which
you receive and having and making surethat that you're giving back to the people
of God and the things of God. Yeah, in this particular case,
you can reference Psalm twenty four toone, and also Malachi three eight through

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ten, But that does change.As a matter of fact, throughout scripture.
You'll see that there's no place wherewhere I reference, you know,
tithing that it needs to be done. And I don't say that the disciples
have to do it. There's norecord concerning any of the New Testament writers
saying that there's this Christian tithe oranything like that. The early Church practiced

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sharing of material goods First Corinthians sixteenone, in two Ephesians four twenty eight,
that's kind of the model. Also, you're asked to be a living
sacrifice for God in Romans twelve oneand two, and to give materially as
the Lord leads you to give tewodCorinthians eight one through five. If you

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are in a church, and youare a member of a church, you
should be giving, just because ifyou're not, you're taking from that church.
You're going and you're receiving, whetherit's air conditioned or not, or
any of these things, you're takingfrom that church, and you should be
giving back to that particular community,part of your community. As far as
giving the tie, the ten percentis, you know, a great way

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for people to kind of get itin their head that this is a good
standard. I think that's mostly whychurches still refer to it as a tithe
and still give the ten percent.If you want to do the mathematics of
it all, it really comes outto if you go through Scripture about twenty
one percent. But the purpose oftithing is just to get yourself in the

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mindset that when you're receiving, youshould be giving, and if you're partaking
in a church and you should begiving back. It's not that God needs
the money. God doesn't need yourmoney. It's that the church does to
continue to work and to do goodthings, and to give to others and
all of those things. So don'ttake, don't steal from the church.
However, if if ten percent iswhat helps you do ten percent, but

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if you could give more, Bibleessentially says give till it hurts. We
have just a little bit of time. If you do have a question,
I don't know that we'll be ableto get to it. So I won't
give the phone numbers. We'll dealwith what we have on the board right
now. We were actually chatting withJeff. He was asking about people that

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die early. If life is aboutprogressing, learning, understanding, then if
someone dies early, what does thatmean? So you're back with us,
Jeff, I am, thank you. So the first one I shared with
you is one of the theories thatthe belief is. As I talked about
different people with physical ability going toa gym. There are some that are

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are going to get built more quickly, and there's some that are going to
take longer. And there are thosethat theorize that someone that gets taken early
doesn't need as much time here,and then there's people that poo poo that,
And quite honestly, it is thebelief of this program that it's about
being accountable for the time that youhave, not having enough time to become

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accountable. So if somebody gets takenearly, it's about what they do with
that information of that time. Obviously, if they're very very young, they're
not conflicting with any of those butthey're also not stepping in the same traps
that pull them away from God inthe same way. In the same sense,
younger people are more adaptive and connectedto God than people who become cynical

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or go through different stages of theirlife as they get older. So in
that sense, I think is abig picture thing that there are those that
it's really about where you are beingaccountable for where you are in that moment,
rather than gosh, I finally hadten more days I could get this
right. That's not what you're beingjudged against. So everyone has the lessons

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that they need to know or thethings that they need to know, and
for however long you live, you'regoing to be going through different lessons.
But that doesn't mean if you havea shorter life, you're not getting lessons
or understanding or connecting with God inany way, shape or form. Okay,
well, it seems like there'd bea difference there because young people,

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say, if they were eight yearsold, wouldn't be learning things that they
need to learn. And you wouldhave to do that to have the perfection
that heaven is supposed to be ourlife here on earth. You would have
to have some sort of way oflearning to be able to respond in a

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different way. Or maybe I'm justnot understanding what happened. No, an
eight year old doesn't have the conflicteither. The eight year old is not
going up against all of the philosophicalconflicts with the concept they believe. There's
a wonderful magician who was a friendof the show. He passed away,
and his name was Dean Dill,and he was a beautiful man and a

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Christian, and he taught magic toall kinds of people, including people like
Johnny Carson and the like, andwas believed to be a magician's magician and
did parties and all kinds of thingslike that. And he was asked to
do a party for a five yearold one time, and in a conversation

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with my producer Neil, he saidthat he turned it down. My producer
Neil asked him why, and hesaid, because at five everything's already magic.
The kids aren't surprised because everything's alreadymagical. There hasn't been any cynicism,
There hasn't been anything that has pressedthrough their life to change that from
who they are, so they're alreadyin that state. So the process of

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learning on this earth is an importantone, but it's also learning about love
and connectivity and things like that,and that comes in different stages, in
different ways for different people. Andit doesn't mean that if you're here till
eighty years that there's still things youneed to learn to get into heaven.
What it means is, as longas you're on this planet, you should

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be learning. It's not like yougraduate, you pass I know, we
talk about that. My producer Neileven used that term that someone graduates to
heaven. That's that next step.But it's not about fulfilling a number of
classes or things like that. That'snot what it's about at all. It's
about however long you're here to continueto learn and connect with God throughout these

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things. Heaven is going to bea different place in a different way.
But God, the belief is isif you are connecting with God in this
world with everything pulling you away,that you will get a clear picture and
a connection with God and when you'rein heaven. But those things are individual

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and different based on you know,the person that's going through them, So
it don't think of it as youknow, a syllabus and a class and
you've got to check these certain thingsoff. If you are alive at a
certain time in your life, yesyou should be doing those things, but
you don't need them to be awhole person in any way, shape or

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form. So somebody that passes awayyounger are still a whole person in an
in every way, shape or form, and have been tested in one way
or another to show their beliefs ortheir understanding. It's about Remember, it's
about acceptance or rejection. It's notabout ignorance. So it's about being accountable
for what you do know, notfor what you don't know, Pam,

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Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.Hi. How are you? I am
well? How are you well?I mean great? This question is bigger
than myself. I'll do my bestto ask it. I'm a little naive
in the word, but I'm abig believer in you. So my question
is, how does the possibility oflife in other galaxies working with the scripture

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of God created the heavens and theearth. I mean, because there's science
and there God's word evolution. Itjust that whole area to kind of confuse
me, and it's interesting at thesame time kind of get a sense of
what I'm asking. So you areabout life on other planets or about well,

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like, how does how does itfigure into scripture and working with the
theory of evolution versus God creating theheavens and the earth? And he said
science is perfect, but scientists aren't. And I like the science idea of

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evolution. Yeah, but I'm alsoin the beliefs that God created heavens in
the earth. Well, there's Iwant to explain, there's something else.
There's mishmash. Yeah, there's stuffthat people tie together. There is something
called theistic evolution. This show doesn'tfocus a whole lot on that. My
producer, Neil is not a hugefan of it, because you have to

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understand, there's that evolution is atheory, and I know that you'll get
some people now going, oh,yeah, but theoretically blah blah blah.
I say that because there is notone form of evolution. There's not an
agreement that scientists have come to.There are parts of it that they have
come to and that they believe tookplace, but there isn't one theory of

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evolution, and most your average everydayperson is ignorant of that. They use
the term and they don't usually evenknow what it means. There are many
theories as to what took place,how it took place, why it took
place, where it took place.So, and you're dealing with special and
general types of evolution, So don'tget confused. Don't confused adaptation with evolution,

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okay. Adaptation is that within itsown kind, things can change.
For instance, if you put humansin a cave and they lived in the
darkness, they would adapt by modifyingthe ability of their skin, you know,
the skin. They would lose themelanin or it would go to very

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small levels. Their eyes would probablyglaze over, the muscles would weaken,
and they wouldn't use them or needthem anymore. So there's things where you
know, you see this skin color, there's only one color of skin.
There's only one color of humanity,and that's melanin. And there are people

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with more of it and people withless of it, but there's only one
color. There's only one true race, the human race. And any modifications
of nose, eyelids, hair,things like that are adaptations. They're not
evolutionary breaks. There's no group that'sless than or better than evolutionarily in humanity.

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There's adaptations within that great group.For areas, the Inuit people will
have a little more fatty tissue abovetheir eyes to keep them warm in in
very cold environments. Things like that. That's adaptation. Evolution is if one
thing jumps a kind or a phylumand becomes something else, and that's a

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whole different thing. So there's there'sno Christian there shouldn't be that doesn't believe
in adaptation. That would be silly. People adapt all the time, but
within different phylums or jumping or branchingfrom one place. You know, single
celled you know, amba jumping tobecoming a fish, becoming a turtle,

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becoming a lizard, becoming a human. That's a different concept. So it
depends where you land on that andwhat your belief is of that. As
I said, I think it's oneevery five years there is a a council
of sort where scientists get together todiscuss the concept of evolution. So it's

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not something that they have landed completelyon. And this is like, this
is the model because it changes.The original model by Charles Darwin does not
exist. It never exists, neverpanned out. So there's different models that
are based on that throughout the years, and it depends what you land on
as to whether it would fit inscripture. Some of it fits absolutely,

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But in Genesis when it talks aboutcreation, it's talking about building or creating
animals unto their kind, which meansthey wouldn't cross violins, so that there's
a hard place to bring that intoscripture. But there are other adaptations and
things like that that wouldn't conflict withapture any way, shape or form.

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Okay, so life on other planets, if that were to be true.
Now life on other planets is adifferent story because now you get into the
problem of salvation. So because Icame, and I even said I'm glad
that I came as a human andnot as an angel, because I'm here

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to redeem mankind. Right, Sonow you would have the problem if life
was on other planets. It isit human? If it's human, is
it sinful? If it's not sinful? Why if it is sinful, then
it needs to be redeemed. Ifit needs to be redeemed, now,
how is it going to be redeemed? Do I go to every planet and

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become like them to redeem them anddine in across or somehow on every single
planet. Did my death on thisplanet cover other planets? It opens up
a lot of questions that are Ithink, highly problematic for Christianity. And
if they found life like humanity,not just well it looks like there's some

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you know, watermarks on this planet, but real genuine life. Hello,
how are you take me to yourleader life? There could be significant problems
with Christianity, and I know alot of people don't want to face that,
and a lot of people that loveour buddy George Nori and all that
might think differently. But that's that'sthe theological reality. I know that on

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talk radio you hear all kinds ofthings throughout the week. They can bring
it down or be heavy stuff.But I hope this show is a respite,
a place where you can gather sanctuaryfor your thoughts and for ideas of
growth and inspiration. I just askone thing of you. I asked this

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of you during this time of year, to focus in on each other.
And I don't mean just your immediatefamily, but your neighbors and the people
around you. And find that timethat place of courtesy, like go above
and beyond to be courteous to eachother, whether it's on the roads or
at the grocery store, whatever itis, do just a little bit extra

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and show those lines of hope andthose those opportunities to say, hey,
we're all in this together right ashumans, you need to connect with one
another and to show that love toone another. God sees that. God
wants you to do it. Godasks you to count all things joy,

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James One, to consider it purejoy whenever, whenever or you face trials.
I know you're going through things now. First Thessalonians five eighteen to give
thanks an all circumstance and to findthat peace during the holiday season, no

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matter which the holiday you may becelebrating, to find that peace to be
a conduit of joy and happiness andhope. And in that and in that
hope, it spreads. I assureyou, like a wildfire, bringing people

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peace, pointing them in a direction, helping them out somewhere, whatever it
may be, go the extra mile, push forward, doing things, and
that's what brings consistency and happiness,every single individual coming together and saying,
hey, I'm going to look outfor you, you look out for me.

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I'm going to help you, youhelp me, and being there for
each other. It's as corny asit may seem. I know you hear
a lot of people yelling and screaminginto this very microphone. But I will
tell you that what I'm telling younow is at the center of it all.
How you treat one another and howyou produce and perpetuate hope. That's

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the only thing that's going to help. Otherwise you can scream to your red
in the face, nothing's going tochange. So do that. Find ways
to help people to do nice things, to be kind, to reassure people,
to be loving no matter who theyare, agree or disagree any of
that stuff, and the world willbe a better place, I assure you,

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and remember these simple words. Iam with you always. KFI AM
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