Jesus Christ Show | Hour 3 [11/26]

Jesus Christ Show | Hour 3 [11/26]

Episode Transcript

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You're listening to KFI on demand vernWelcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Hey,
how's it going. It's going well. How can I help you?
Well? I was raised Catholic,My mom was really religious. I was
always an agnostic from an early age. Never very religious or spiritual though,

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but I always just kind of livedby the teachings of Jesus. I couldn't
help, you know, it's justwho I am. But lately I've been
finding I want to be religious ormore spiritual, okay, and I just
can't do it. It's not inme. It's it's like my default is
to just be agnostic or even atheist. I don't know, okay, but

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my mom has Alzheimer's and Simon's.That's really what brought it on. Like,
I feel like I need something morebecause to see here like this,
she was basically a saint, andit's to see this happened to her.
It's just really shaking me up.And I don't I feel like I need
something more, you know. Yeah, that makes sense. Now when you

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say religious or spiritual, what doesthat mean to you? Uh? Just
to have something or fine, Idon't know, I just can't do it.
Like, well, atheism is sortof silly. I like that you
come from the standpoint of agnosticism,because atheism it's like kind of you know,
there's no God really exactly. Butthe agnosticism it comes from. Agnosis

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without knowledge means that you just don'tknow. So what can you know?
Let's look at a few things.What can you know? First of all,
everywhere you look, everything in thisworld is continued upon something else.
The wood comes from from the treewhich came from you know, the acorn
which came from the tree which cameyou know, and it keeps going back

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and back. Everything kind of pointsto some origin. You look around and
when you see complexity, you don'tthink that it came from randomness. Complexity
usually comes from a complex mind orsomething thinking. So if you come across
a book, you don't say,wow, that must have just erote it
into the shape of a book.You'd say, wow, that is a

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book that someone created. There's somethingabout this world where when you look at
it, it screams that it wascreated. Just like if you went to
Mount Rushmore and looked at Mount Rushmore, you'd never say, wow, that
probably is from erosion. The waterjust happened to make it look like for
presidents. So there are many reasons, really legitimate scientific reasons to believe,

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at least in the possibility of acreator. So where's your hang up?
Why does it seem unreasonable to youto believe that there's a god? I
don't like the scientific level. Itdoesn't bother me. I don't care about

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creationism or revolution or any of that. Like, I guess it's a personal
level. I just like lately I'llfind like I want to like pray to
God that I'll have to like keepmyself from doing it for some reason.
I'm not sure you have to forceyourself not to pray. Yeah, you

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know what, you're like desperate orlike feeling bad, and you like want
to do it. I'll like keepmyself from doing it. I'm not sure
why why do I do that?Maybe you feel dishonest because you don't feel
totally connected, and you feel likemaybe it's hypocritical, you know, going
to him just when you're in pain. Yeah, something like that. There's

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nothing wrong with that, you know. It's Imagine it this way, imagine
you thinking, Wow, you knowwhat I hate hospitals. Can't stand them.
They're cold, They just I don'tknow something about them. And I
know I broke my arm, butI always stay away from hospitals, so
I'm not going to go in there. I feel hypocritical to go in there
with a broken arm. Well,that's kind of what a hospital's for.

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So God is similar that when youcall out to him in need, it's
kind of what he does. Soit's not hypocritical in that sense. It's
it's as a matter of fact,I hate to break it to you,
but it's quite naturally built into whoyou are when you were created. It

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is you do. You don't needto tell any living creature it has a
mother, even if it's mother's notaround, it knows it had a mother,
and that that's why it's there.And you, regardless of where you
land with God, your body knows. Your body was there in so many

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ways before you were. It's likeit knows God, and it knows God
is there, and it's reaching andcalling out to God because it knows.
It knows inherently that God exists.Right, So reach out to God and
see what happens. Just focus onit for a while, think about it,

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Maybe read a little scripture something thatmaybe gives you comfort. There's nothing
wrong with that anymore than if you'vegot a cup of cocoa for Pete's sakes
and it gave you comfort. Sowhy not try this and pray and ask
God to hear your prayers, askGod to direct your life. It's God

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for insight and allow those things.That's all you're doing is just stopping.
You're never going to feel anything.You're never going to experience anything. Not
that it's about just experiencing something,but you'll never ever make that step if
you keep stopping yourself, and thenwhat then You've got nothing. It's been

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bringing peace to humans for thousands ofyears. It's one of the most unexplainable
parts of this faith is the strengthand peace that it gives to people.
Doesn't make their lives perfect. Defecationstill occurs, brother, I assure you,

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and there will be problems always,but it has given people the ability
to peacefully keep their lives together intimes of great torment, trial and frustration.
And that's worth something looking into,don't you think? Yep? Yeah?

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Now you are living with your mom, yeah yeah, and you're taking
care of your primary caretaker. Yeah, And why do you take care of
your mom? Uh? Pretty much. I'm the only one. Well,

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you're a good son, and Ithink that that goodness comes from somewhere and
it's not going to kill you toexplore a little bit and allow yourself the
freedom to do that. So whydon't you poke around in a little bit?
Yeah, dabble if you will,and then you give me a callback

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with any questions you have if youcome across something. All right, all
right, thanks, that's helpful.I would really like to talk to you
again, so I hope you takeme up on that. Okay, all
right, Verne, you have agood night. Name. There's oftentimes when

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you're searching, there's a frustration,and sometimes when people have been rooted in
a particular way, or they've beenfrustrated with the faith or maybe even not
even introduced to it very much,that it becomes foreign. And in that
process of frustration or maybe ignorance aboutthe faith, it becomes a feeling of

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hypocrisy, like, oh well,now if I, of course, if
I accept it, or if Igo into it, I'm just being a
hypocrite. And I don't want tobe a hypocrite. So that rebellion sets
in and no one does anything explore, test all things, hold fast that
which is true. Just explore andlet it speak to you. Sandra,

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Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.Thank you. Uh. My question is
there's so often just this this morning, someone called me. This prayer is
urgently needed, and of course Iwill pray for this person in their situation.
But I don't know why. Imean, I know that my prayers
are not I don't think they're goingto influence God. I don't believe God

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is going to say, oh,Sandra has prayed for this, well,
let's let's fix it for her.You know, I can pray for a
guidance, but God's a going toguide people. I can pray for God
to comfort them, my children toheal, but God's already comforting them,
He's already guiding them. So Idon't know what the purpose of my prayers

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are. Okay, I'm not goingto change God's mind. I don't think
no, of course not. There'snot It's not some God's not sitting in
heaven going oh my goodness. Okay, Sandra just nailed it. That's that's
really that's helpful. I did notknow what to do. That's not the
case. However, there are thingsa couple things to be learned. One,

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if you have children, and sometimesthere's things that you can do around
the house that are easier for youto do by yourself, but to share
with them, whether it's cooking,cleaning, working in the garage, gardening,
whatever it might be. Kids tendto make a mess. It takes
longer to do it, but there'ssomething about connecting with them in the process

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that is separate and special than thetask at hand. And God wants you
to participate. And by conversing withGod and spending time with God, it
builds the relationship. So you're nothelping God in the sense that God needs
your help. It's easier to dowithout you, but God loves you so

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much he wants you to participate.That's one factor. The second factor is
that and I love using the analogieswith parents and children because I think it's
helpful for people to understand God ina parental role at times. But when
you take a child to the grocerystore, all they want is the sugar,
cereals and all the garbage, right, and they say, I want

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this, I want that, Iwant this, I want that. Now
think of that as like a prayerthe child's praying in front of their parent,
Mommy, daddy, I want thissnack, I want this cereal.
That's not so the parent knows whatthe child wants, so the parent could
give it to them. It's sothe parent can use that opportunity to teach
the child what they should be having. So when you pray, even for

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someone else, that listening and waitingfor God's response is a way of learning
about what God wants, not Godlearning what you want. So there's the
major difference, and people get caughtup in that that what you're doing is
teaching God what you want and orneed, And really it's about you say

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it so God can either correct itor grant it so that you know that
your once are in line with thewill of God. That's what it comes
down to. Learning to be focusedon the will of God, Sandra,
that is the key. And thereis nothing that's going to be said or
done that's going to change God's mind. Even in scripture where people are praying
and God says, okay, wellcheck and see if there's you know,

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ten good people in that land.I want to destroy it. When talking
about Soloman Kamor and it's like,oh, well, so really God was
just looking to have his mind changed. No, God does the things he
does or allows people ask questions,and I did this quite a lot in
scripture as well. You'll see thatI will ask questions of people, you

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know, whose face is on thecoin, things like that. It's not
because I didn't know whose face ison the coin. It's because I wanted
you to think about the process andlearn as well. Carolyn, Welcome to
Jesus Christ Show, and thank youfor taking my call, my pleasure.

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You've been so very patient. Howcan I help you? My husband is
about to be listening online, sothis question is coming from both of us,
okay, and you've helped us inthe past several years ago, and
I was just kind of thinking aboutit in my head and going, I
feel like part of this is oneof those things where you go, how
should your yes be your yes?When it seems so difficult at times?

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But we've worked so hard to continueto work towards more obedience in you and
with you, and this is alittle bit harder. We don't have children
of our own, and we've kindof been surrogate parenting, you know,
everybody else's kids and my family,and we even have a god daughter that
not really a goddaughter that lives withus and her child. But about a

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month ago, well it's been abouttwo months now, my husband I told
my nephew that he can work forus on the weekend so he can earn
his money. He's sixteen now,we should just be giving him things.
And wanted to help him, youknow, try to find his manhood and
stuff, and you know, incrementalways. And we were planning for a
big fundraiser party that was happening herethe house, and I gave him my

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credit card to put back in thedraw for me, and I had to
tell you, and I did itthat day. My head goes, am
I trusting correctly, and I justgot you got got to move forward.
At some point in time, andthe credit card was missing, and I
knew it was missing. I hadthinking my husband had had put it,
so wehe else in the safe.I said, did you can you please

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verify it's in the safe. Ijust hadn't seen him the door, and
you know, time gets away,and neither one of us checked in with
each other, and the bill camein and Wednesday evening we were reviewing it
and as a week a week agoWednesday, and it turns out there's all
these felonious charges on there. Immediatelycalled a credit card company, and you

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know, as I'm looking through it'sa thing, I realized there's a charge
close to a seven eleven year whoschool and I said, oh, my
gosh, I think this is mynephew. And at first I didn't want
to confront my his mom my sisterabout it because I didn't want to heart
it be upset and uh, youknow, you don't want to be too
quick. And and you know,he has a history of stealing. You

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know, he's done it as aas a small child, and he's really
yeah, I mean he always has. And they're a divorce they're in a
divorce there. She's a divorce mom. And when he was about turning four,
I think that by thereabouts I hadconvinced her to move from down to
here in our area, and Isaid, you know, this is a

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pretty great place to raise a family, and we'll be a support to you.
And we've always been that and maybeeven to my husband's detriment, you
know, and that I've had toyield has taken me many, many,
many, many moons to yield toyour command to be beat it to my
family first and my husband first.I've taken way more than I should have

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with him. And my husband's beena great husband to me, and he's
miniatures and he's minister to me.To do the right thing and to abide
by him. It sounds like itsounds like you guys got good heads on
your shoulders. What what what questiondo you have for me? Well,
he now the credit card charges thatwe know are his, I asked her.

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She did some research for me.She went into its room and found
some receipts, so no, definitelybelongs to him, and I have to
do a written report. And Ithink she kind of hinted to me that
she's afraid of that because they're goingto take it out of her and she's
you know, title money and allthat, and I just in my head,
I kind of let it go,and I talked to her. My
husband has told him, you know, look, I know God's going to

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provide for the right thing. Wejust we got to continue to do the
right thing here and not acquiesce.Our concern is how do we love on
him, how do we not abandonhim? How do we continue to nurture
him. But my husband said somethingvery profound the every day and it kind

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of blew me away. He says, you know, it's not that we
haven't been there for him. Itsaid, because it seems like we haven't
had a partnership with her completely toget this to the right place. And
he goes and I don't want himin our home. And at first that
was really hard for me, butI realized, you know, our god
daughter deserves the right to be safe, and our god grandson serves the right

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to feel safe, you know,and taking things kind of it impacts that
everybody's you know, vulnerability in yourhome. So I'm kind of there,
you know, finally. You know, so you're thinking about kicking the sixteen
year old out of the house.Well, my husband says that he's not
allowed in our home anymore. Okay, So they don't live with you,
or they don't know theyn't they livein a nearby city, which is you

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know, kind of cool that,you know. Okay, Well, setting
boundaries is a wonderful thing. Butthe child obviously has entitlement issues and probably
because you know, many things havebeen taken from him, and he feels
like he's missing out, and unfortunatelya lot of young people tend to have

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those attitudes. But in his lifesituation, from what you're describing, he
has a pretty gross expectation of whatlife should be giving him. Have you
have you guys sat down and talkedwith him face to face about this.
We haven't had a face to face. My husband had an initial conversation with
him, and finally, just forthe first time, a day or so

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ago, I had said to mysister, you know, your son hasn't
called and apologized to me, youknow, to me personally, and so
she goes and she just got quiet. And then he called back about thirty
minutes later and apologized. And whatwas his reasoning, what did he say?
Didn't tell me reasoning. I don'tknow if he told my husband or
not becaue that mentioned, But whenI talked to my sister that day,

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he told me. He told mysister that he was mad at me because
I decided not to pay him thatday, and I had discussed it with
my husband that we shouldn't pay himevery time he comes that weekend. We
should try to teach him how peopleget paid, like an art We have
a small business. You know,we pay on the first and the sixteenth,
so that he would learn to waitlike most adults have to do for

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paychecks. So he was going toget paid for that day's work, just
not on that day, correct,Okay, And so that apparently that's what
he told her, is that hewas upset because he didn't get paid that
day. Well, that's not away to deal with it, now,
is it. No? No,Well, I still think that that it
would have been better rather than ohwell, he talked to him, and
then I talked to I think thatyou guys share this card. You were

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sharing the responsibility, and you bothshould have sat down with him face to
face, not over the phone,and said we we know you took the
card, and we know that youused you charged things. How much did
he ring up on it? Justunder one thousand dollars? Under one thousand
dollars? Did Was he expecting athousand dollars worth of payment for the job

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that he did that day? Ohthere's no way, there's no way that
that's that's beyond him, you know, in a sense of entitlement. That
shows you how much he thinks he'sworth and how much he doesn't think you,
guys are worth I would say thatyou need to sit down with him

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face to face and say we knewabout these charges, we love you and
and but love doesn't always come,you know, with hugs and kisses.
Sometimes there's there's love that needs tobe tough to teach. And so there's
going to be different ground rules aboutyou being in our home and being around

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our store, or about the businessor any of these things that that he's
going to have to show himself accountableagain before you guys trust him with certain
things, and he's going to haveto realize that. But to say he's
not coming an easier nephew to sayhe's not coming around your home. If
you guys are the best influence forhim, why wouldn't you want him to

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be around you guys's influence now?Is it more work for you? Yes?
Yeah, yeah, it means you'regonna have to lock stuff up and
you're gonna have to not let himbe alone in the house. But to
to not have him come around seemslike now he's missing out on the benefit
of who the two of you arein his life and can be thanks.

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You know, doesn't that seem likeI mean it's the easiest way to do
it. Yeah, but there arewounds that need to be bandaged, and
there are wounds that need to beamputated. Correct, And you amputate only
when you're trying to protect the restof the body, right, correct.
And I understand that that's the desire, and as a man, it makes
sense that your husband goes to that, Hey, I need to protect the

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rest of the household period. Thatis the smart attitude to have Initially.
However, I think that the balancein all things that with the two of
you coming together, you should lookand say, how can we mend this
in a way that we still protectourselves And that means build boundaries, lock
things up, have the visits,be quite specific in what you do and

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how you interact, and it meansmore work on your end when he's around.
Never leave him in charge of thesethings at this point in time and
see if he grows through it.If not, then he has mental issues.
He has issues dealing with stealing andthese types of things that need to

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be taken to another level, andyou need to get professional help. Great,
thank you so much, You're welcome, But it sounds like you guys
have such a loving heart and arereally trying to impart that to him,
which is worth more than the thousanddollars for sure, But no one needs
to go through through that. Andas far as as going through the regular

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process, absolutely you have to withwhatever consequences come. You can't protect the
daughter in this case and teach theson because all you'll teach him is that
there's gone there. If you doit right, there's always going to be
a way out. The consequences canbe dodged. So unfortunately, you have
to make sure that you file thepaperwork and that you bring in law enforcement

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and that you do it right.I know that that might affect your daughter
and that stinks, but she needsto be accountable for this as well.
This is her child, and she'sgot a child who's got issues. She's
not going to take care of itif mom and dad are always stepping in

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and this this is one of thoseugly parts of family dynamics that sometimes people
grow through these things and go througha shoplifting stage or do things. It's
never okay, but sometimes you cansee that it's in a stage and they
pass through it and they're going togo through it, and it's going to
be fine, and then there's othertimes where there's other issues. The fact
that he justified it, I'm proudthat he said why yeah, I don't

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know, but he actually said,well, you know, I was mad.
I think that gives you something towork with. And you can go
back and say, you know whatI thought about that, And maybe we
didn't explain well enough as to whatthe process is, but you're going to
have to learn this because you can'tkeep stealing from a company who's waiting to
pay you every two weeks. That'sthe way many people get paid. Some

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people get paid once a month,depending on their job. So you said
we were trying to teach you andwanted to make sure, and I want
to make that clear that's what wewere doing. We weren't trying to skip
out on paying you. We wouldnever do that because that is improper.
But it's improper for you to goand to take this money when we showed
you trust to do so. Andso now we love you and that doesn't

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change. However, the trust issueis different, and we need to work
back towards that earning that trust andif you want to do it, we
want to do it. If hesays no, well you should trust me
just because or any of that.Say, then you let us know when
you're ready to come back into ourlives with the structure that we're going to

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set out. So that's going tobe the final test to see where this
boy is. Dave, welcome toJesus Christ. Show yes, I'm in
linkl, Nebraska and make this realquick here and we'll welcome down here.
Sure. Actually, with all myheart, I wish I really could speak
to Christ himself on the phone.But don't we all have that capability?

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Well, yeah, maybe you needa new plan. Right. My question
is we all know that there isa war in heaven. There's fallen angels
and angels war going on. Andmy question is what do you think about

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And I'm thinking their future falling angelsvisiting Earth with new technologies and and like
what kind of new technology how wouldthat change? Probably energy, different things
that will be able to make theworld better, having peace seemingly come to

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mankind and basically deceiving people into believingthat they should believe in them instead of
oh you you think the mask readingis like extraterrestrials and like, well,
there's places in the Bible and Genesisthat talk about all angels visiting the earth.

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You mean Genesis, uh, whenyou're talking about the Yeah, the
Nephlom And Okay, well there's there'sarguments as to who that is and if
it's angels or not because of thecontext might lend to a different understanding.
So that that that lends itself tointerpretation because it talks about procreating and Matthew

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talks about how angels are not marriednor given in marriage, that they don't
have they don't have sexuality, Sothere are either possessing humans uh and using
their bodies to procreate, but angelsdo not procreate, so there couldn't be
like half man half angels, assome theorize with the Nephilim. But having

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said that, I will say thatthat technology is not needed. There are
people that are have been visited byboth good and bad angels throughout scripture,
and there's no reason to believe thatthat's any different today. So people can
be visited by angels both good andbad. And it says that even the
devil himself can mask great as anangel of light. So there are those

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that are counterfeit that try and comeand appear to be one thing or the
other to people to distract them.The key in all of this, Dave,
and this goes with any of thesepeople say they have apparitions, or
they have dreams, or they weretaken up in a spaceship or all you've
got to do. And this wasa question that I said over and over

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and over and over and over inscripture, who do you say that I
am? And the answer to thatis what's important. And really, if
you come across anything supernatural in life, if it steers you down any path
and says that there's a new Testamentin addition to the Old and New Testament,
or that there's new words, orthat God has something new to say,

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or that God what was said inscripture is wrong, or we're going
down this new path that were chainangingout things. Any of that that is
not of God. So you checkit against Scripture to know where it's from.
And if it's not of God,then it's not worthy of your time.
Remember, more importantly than all thiscraziness going on during the week,

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spend time with your families and rememberthese words, I Am with you always.
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