September 7, 2025 • 28 mins
How a man reacts shows his true character
Brother is reclusive
Separating from society
Brother is reclusive
Separating from society
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Gary, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Hi, good morning,
Hi there, How can I help you.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
I've got a sister that is in a twenty six
year marriage, their first marriage, and they consummated the marriage
and they have been living in a Christian way. The
husband has decided three weeks ago to tell my sister
he no longer wants to live like this and left
the marriage.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
He just doesn't want to be in a marriage, or
he doesn't want to be Christian, or he doesn't want
what he.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Doesn't want to live the way he's been living with
my sister. He has two adult children in college.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Okay, that's better than them being children and kids that
are still living at home.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Right, But it seems to me that God hates divorce
and his family is pretty much devastated from this.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Oh yeah, don't get me wrong. It is completely weak.
I don't understand this kind of concept, whereas I don't
want this anymore. Well, you committed to it. It's you,
you do it.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
You would if you knew this person, you would think
they not that they had the best marriage, but that
they seem pretty sound in their commitment and other things,
and here it is coming from this person just seems
so out of line. He was like, you know, born
again to promise keepers and involved in outreach in the church.
In fact, there's a woman that he'd met in his
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outreach group in his church that he says he's dating.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Now, Oh boy, so it is is he leaving the
church altogether? Does he not want to be a Christian
or he just doesn't want to be married.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
He's just leaving this marriage. He's still involved with this church,
oh boy, still in Bible studies.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
He's not teaching or anything, is he?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Well, he kind of leads in the Bible study.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
He leads the Bible study, and the church doesn't have
a problem with that.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
And second out, it's not you know, directly, I don't
know how to say that, but.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
This is just one that he does on his own.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
I say, it's just a group from their church that
they get together during the week.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
And and how does he justify his actions.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
In his mind? He's he's made his mind up dead.
The marriage is over, was over two years ago.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
So well that doesn't mean anything in his mind.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
How is he justifying and everybody else that since it
was over in his mind? Two years ago, that he's
not not married to her in that sense.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
So are they legally divorced? No, so he's so he's
playing word games.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Yeah, he leaves ago. My sister didn't even have any
He knew there was probably some problems in her marriage,
but she didn't. She said, I didn't think this guy
would lead me.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
You know, that's how she.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
You know, so I don't know, you know, she couldn't
believe that, you know. And then they kind an email
on their computer from this other woman, and she asked
him about that, and then he said, well, now that
you know about it, it's okay that I date this woman,
is what he told her.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Oh that's disgusting. That's just sad and disgusting. Here's the thing.
There's this pitiful kind of me, me me attitude. Unfortunately,
it has crept into the church, and it where men
in particular, although it does happen to women as well.
I think that they can just fall out of love
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and that everything's peachy. It's but that's not what love
is about. Love is a decision, right, there's something you decide.
You say, I decide to be in love. It's not
as romantic maybe as some people would like, but that's
what love is and.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Doing what's best for the other person. Well, it's all sacrifice.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
It's a commitment. The man made a commitment and to say, well,
I just you know, I've decided. For one, he's still
legally married and still married under the eyes of God, period.
And the shame on the church if they're not looking
into the situation, if he's dating someone else from the church.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
They did look into it. They talked to him about it,
and he basically towed the pastor that there's nothing to
talk about. He never got any one on one counseling
or marriage counseling.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
For this marriage.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Never said to his wife, let's get some counseling, there's
something wrong with this marriage. He decided by his own
ways that he figured out that he didn't want to
live like this anymore.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Because counseling, there isn't anything wrong with the marriage. The
problem is he wants to be with another woman. That's
not really easily solved here. This is what the saddest
part of this is that Gary, this is the fact
that someone in the church says they don't even want
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to hear it. They don't want they they don't want counsel,
they don't want to hear, and of course he's not
here to defend himself on any of these charges. So
I'm speaking conceptually to the masses that they're dealing with
this every day. Men are walking out on their families
because they want something else. The Internet has not helped
h What happened is people are falling in love with fantasies,
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and real life will never live up to fantasies ever,
so people get caught up in these fantasies. Men want
to feel like they're young again. Women want to feel
like they're young again, men want to be the football
star again, and all these things which your garbage. It
is no more grotesque than a man wanting to be
put in diapers so it can feel like a baby again.
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It is. It is going back, trying to go back
in time and reverse the natural plan of things so
that you can feel a feeling that doesn't exist anymore,
rather than the true, honest romance of someone who's dedicated
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just as something. I mean, do you think the romance
of it all is what makes it? The fantasy that
it's something. What's not romantic about someone being committed and
coming home the same to the same person every day
and finding new ways to love them and take care
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of them. That is what should be beautiful and romantic.
But it's not. It's this, well, I want the butterflies again,
or I want these things, and I hear it so
often on the show. Don't ever use the excuse I
fell out of love because you fell into it. Too
big deal.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Being a brother in price. Is there a way I
could challenge him? Or people think, oh, you're trying to
judge him. You don't, you know, I'd be making judgment
by saying something.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
You can judge him, you should judge him. This concept
of don't judge anyone is not a biblical one. The
entire the entirety of Scripture is there to be used
for correction, so says scripture. So it's not about judging
them in the sense that you think you're better than them.
You're not. It's about judging the situation or correcting it.
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And if you feel compelled to reach out, you're going
to be seen as a you know, someone who has
your own bias. But quite frankly, if he's trying to
make this scripturally okay, he's lost his mind.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
He says he's getting all this grace from what he's done.
I think that the Holy Spirit's not going to tell
somebody to leave their marriage.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
No, unless there is physical or emotional abuse of the
intense kind. Not people say he's mostly a us off
because he would work late or think nothing like that,
but real physical and emotional abuse or infidelity, and even
at that point God may call him to not be
with anybody else. So this whole concept of well, I'm
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just gonna run off with someone else and that I'm
not in love anymore is selfish. It comes from the
pit of selfishness and really plays no other part than
the part of a man wrapping himself up in silly,
silly fantasies talking to Gary. And you know, relationships pop
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up on the show all the time. We say that
this show is a show about truth. People try and say, well,
it's a religious show where it's just so that really
isn't It focuses on truth and how it pertains to
your life. It just so happens that on the program
we believe all truth is God's truth. And really, as
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we deal with individuals that call up and the concerns
they're going through, it's really about you in addition to them,
because you're going through things too, and there's general concepts
and understandings that you should have in your life. There's
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a saying that you know, it's not what a man
says or how he acts, but how he reacts that
shows his true character. And isn't that the truth? Because
you can say anything you want, you can act any
way you want, but really how you react to something
shows who you are. That's throughout the entire entirety of scripture.
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And we'll get calls from people that are explaining situations
and there's people that aren't here to defend themselves or say, well, no,
that's not really what I'm going through or this was,
and that's fine. So I talk in generalities in hopes
of you understanding as it pertains to something you're going
through or someone you know. The character Wise, when you
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make a commitment to someone, you do your utmost to
live up to that commitment. If you are not willing to,
if you figure, hey, it's going to get to a
point where I'm going to get bored or not be
into it or whatever it is, then don't do it.
The vows you go through in a marriage, although they
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may change specifically to your event. Are going to focus
on some basic concepts being together in good times and
bad essentially rich or poorer, sickness, and in health, better
or worse. And I think everybody goes into it saying
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those words, but only thinking about the positive things, well
for better, for richer, for health. And it's an abomination
to marriage. And I know Christians run around screaming about
divorce this, and you shouldn't because you, yourself, as a Christian,
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are not doing anything to better the institution of marriage
than these people that you think are the ones causing
the problems, the divorce rate, all of that. It's not
better for evangelicals, it's not better for people in the church.
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And unfortunately, there is this system in the world where
where you won't judge someone or call someone out on
something that you are dealing with yourself because you're afraid
someone's going to shine the light on And unfortunately these
churches are not pointing the finger properly. Christian people in
your church have healthy marriages. Is up to you in
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the church. That is your business and that should be
your focus. And I see marriages falling apart in the church,
men walking away saying they're not in love. That is
the epidemic. That is the problem, and it's in your
own backyard. Debro. Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Thank you, good morning.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Hi there, How can I help you?
Speaker 5 (12:47):
I have a question. There is something in the Bibles
that I always struggle with whenever I read it, and
believe it's in the Book of Joshua. Why does God
command Joshua to go into battle and completely destroy the
enemy men, women, and children and sometimes even animals. To me,
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that's not a loving God and it doesn't sound like
something that you would be okay with.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Well, there's a lot here, and there are different times.
I've often characterized the scripture more like the life of
a child. And there's certain things that are done when
a child's younger that you wouldn't do when they're older.
They're appropriate. Maybe it's a swat on the behind or
something like that. There are things that you wouldn't do
as they got older. You start to learn to talk
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to them and reason with them differently when they come
to that capacity, and you're talking about early stages of
humanity as a whole, and so God deals with them
differently than God deals with people. Now, so you're talking
about Joshua, and we'll go to Joshua six twenty one
and talk about the destruction of Jericho and the verse
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there that says to utterly destroy all that was in
the city, both man and woman, young and old, ox
and sheep and donkey with the edge of the sword.
The thought is, well, how could that be justified and
how could that be godly? Well, you're dealing with the Canaanites,
and the understanding is that none of them were innocent.
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It's really to say that there was innocent because of
this age or that age. If there were some that
were innocent, for example, the youngest of the children, that
those children would go to heaven. And really you have
to look at this through the eyes of God and
not through the eyes of man, which is a very
difficult thing to do. But God reaching in and taking
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life is not a bad thing. Let's put it this way.
There's stuff in your house, your couch. If you were
to go in and take your couch out of your house,
you have the right to do that, right, yes, But
if somebody without asking him in and took your couch
from your house, that's stealing. Correct. Yeah, Well, all people,
all humanity, anything that breathes or lives is a property
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of God, and God truly can do what he wants
with it. And there is a time in surgery there
are wounds that you bandage, and there are wounds that
you amputate to protect the rest of the body. So
God's not looking at these people as just individual people.
He's looking at them as the entire body, and the
entire body could become gangrenous or have deep rooted cancer
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like problems eating through the rest of it if this
group were to have lived so as heinous as it
seems as you go through, you're talking about God giving
them four hundred years, four hundred years to turn this
area around, to not do these things. And the poison
now starts going so deep that it's going into the
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animals and into the children, this poison of sin and depravity.
It was so repugnant it got to such a place,
this abomination. Now you hear people yelling today about, oh,
things are getting horrible in the world, no worse than
anything you've ever seen in its current state, so bad
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that God had to go in there because it was
defiling everything else. This kind of abomination and one of
the things that they were doing. It says in verse
twenty one, twenty four and twenty six is child sacrifices.
So there were all these things that were taking place,
and for the protection of the peoples of the world,
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of all those the body of God's people, that this
needed to be amputated. And it's a very ugly scene,
a very dark and ugly part of scripture. But when
it comes from God and it's God's hand doing this,
it's justified in context. And I know that a lot
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of people go, well, you know what, there are other
religions out there that are claiming the same thing. This
has nothing to do with current situation. God hasn't called
for this again. And the reason why God hasn't called
it is because even the abominations that are taking place
today don't hold a candle to what was taking place then.
In addition to that, the situation as a whole was
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very different, and we will never ever be back to
a place of that early time of understanding that a
moral that defiled that kind of specific abomination that deals
with child's sacrifice, and that they were given four hundred
years to repent of their wickedness. Every opportunity according to
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Genesis fifteen sixteen, and still don't do it, even though
when they knew the consequences. So this becomes an act
of total rebellion. Now, given this particular state, it was
mercy to kill some because of what was going on,
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an ugly, ugly part of history when you look at
it that way. But in the context of who God
is and what time it was and what would have been,
it was God's will to make that choice. It is
not a choice that would take place today. It is
not even in comparison with some of the statements that
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are made today. And know more, would it be tolerated
by God in the context of today. Brian, welcome to
the Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
Show ay you do it.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I don't drop off them my blue my bluetooth.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
My main question is my younger brother is out of state,
very secluded. He should be a scholar or a journalist.
He sends me like sixty pages almost every ever the day,
and my question is what can I say to him.
He's one of the best Christians I know with that
where he doesn't do the little things that you're talking about,
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and he's such a grouch. We get in fights all
the time because he has no patient. He's not a bruch,
but he knows everything about what's going on Jerusalem, back East.
He goes all these his MoMA fights. He knows the
Bible inside out, but he has such a grouch and
I don't think he has any patience.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Well, knowing, knowing current affairs and the history of things
in scripture doesn't really mean anything. That's just stuff that's academics.
The devil knows every bit of every verse of scripture too,
And that's to say that there are those in scripture
that say, oh, praise God, praise this, and I respond with,
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depart from me. I never knew you. So it's not
about knowledge. There's actually three steps to knowledge. There's the
acceptance of it or the understanding of it, the acceptance
of it, and the application of it. So if he
knows all those things and doesn't apply it, it really
doesn't mean anything. He has to get to a place
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where he's applying it. I'm curious as to whiten why
not he's I think because.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
He's secluded, even though he's one of those people will
stop and help someone outside of the road with a
phone or something. But he's very secluded and he only
has a couple of friends, but he writes like a
journalist and he knows them and going on and it's
hearts at piece and he just knows so much, and
he's not scared of the world ending he knows. He says, Brian,
you think you've seen something now? He says, the world
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is going to get a lot worse. He's one of
these people who can live in his car and be
a bomb. He's not scared of what's going on, and
he's a good Christian. I just think he's too secluded.
And he says to Drops, I don't know how my
sister and I are noticed and how bad he's getting,
and we don't know how to confront him. We just
he hangs up on us all the time. Is there
to him to show him?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Brian, is there any history of mental illness in your family?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
None?
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Hmm, Yeah, because that's it's it's kind of an interesting description.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
He sounds like he's getting more and more reclusive and
and distant from people. Is that the case.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
He's pretty much been. It's because where he's living. He
lives in he lives like forty five minutes from my
sister lives in Oregon. He sees there about once or
twice a week. They talk every day, and then he
has a mathematician online and another friend online. That's basically
his only friends. He has no neighbors really, so when
living in Orange County, he had a lot of.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Friends and he's not going to a church there on.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
I try.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
I'm trying to get to my sister to get him
involved because I lived so far where I live a
thousand miles away, to get him to go out, maybe
help seniors, or go out and do things that people
can't do elderly or something in their homes.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
You know.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
I have a fixful things, or just to get out
in the church innything. I am trying to get him
to do that.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Get through.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah. The hoarding of knowledge is the same of hoarding
of wealth. It's still gluttony unless you're passing it along
or giving it to others. It's still hoarding and it
can't be used for the Kingdom of God. It's the
knowledge isn't out there just so someone can get fat
on it. It's there so it can be passed along.
That's where the Great Commission comes in about the passing
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of the gospel. The whole point of the good News
is to get it out to other people as well.
And if if he just stays, you know, stays with him,
it doesn't do anybody any good. I uh, you know,
with him not calling, we're not going to know fully
what's going on with him. But I would say that that,
you know, being a Christian doesn't automatically mean that you're
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going to be you know, pie in the sky and always. Uh,
that's just not the way it goes. You can have
very real feelings, good, bad or other, and they should
be explored and allowed to run free. If you're feeling
in a good mood, great, If you're feeling in a
bad mood, let that be known too, But they should
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be controlled and understood in light of salvation. So kind
of everything falls by the wayside and salvation takes precedent
and it's like, well, I've got my salvation and life
is good. Otherwise I'd be curious if there wasn't something
else going on, Especially when someone starts hanging up on
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loved ones. There's something deeper there. And sadly, Brian, I'm
afraid that there's just no way for us to really
get at it. Without your brother himself calling, but we'll
certainly be praying for him, and you know, the release
of whatever makes him grumpy or grouchy or these types
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of things. But don't stop what you're doing. It sounds
like what you're doing is absolutely right. Trying to keep
in connection, show love, continue to love on him, and
if there's a way to get him active in using
those gifts and abilities for other even if it's writing,
starting a blog that's still sharing. Doesn't necessarily have to
connect with anybody right off the bat, but I think
that would be a good thing. And we have Chris
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who says he is a grouchy brother, not the grouchy brother,
but a grouchy brother. Chris, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Hello,
So you had thoughts listening to the last Call?
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Yeah? See, like back in two thousand sections, Juil I third,
I ended up. I started believing in God right, and
ever since then, I have I've just been overdosing on reality, right,
just everything I look at and it's just it's just
all bad, right, And I'm just seeing everything, let's greed,
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all this pride and everything just overwhelming. And then I
kind of I'm separating myself, and I see whereas brothers
coming from. He just got a lot of knowledge in
them and he just can't get it out. He doesn't
know how to get it out, just like me. So
I separate myself from society pretty much because they're like,
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it's pretty bad, okay, But I don't want to fall
into all these ways that are just terrible.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Yes, but God says that you are not to forsake
the gathering of the brethren, And the purpose of that
is because that's how a lot of this starts. It's
the segregation of people. And and yes, I understand that
when you look at things and you see ugly things,
and that it can start to weigh you down. And
sometimes you know, the more you know, the more that
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weighs you down, and the more you understand, the uglier
it seems. But understanding that God created everything good, life
is good. Life is very good and supersedes the circumstances
in life, life itself, circumstances, quality of life, or anything else.
Life is always more important. Even a bad life is
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better than no life. No life has no moral value,
can't be good or better, good, better or worse. So
I know people get lost in that but if you
look at the beat up, scratched car, it's still a car.
You don't want to get lost in the scratches or
the dance. You want to get lost in the wonderful,
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magnificent engineering that takes place and what is happening to
move you from point A to point B. And it's
not about being Pollyanna, but it's about understanding that that
you can dwell so much on the bad things that
it can yes make you a grouch. It can spin
you in the direction of thinking that the world is
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going to hell in a hand basket or on a
greased pole, or whatever specific illustration you want to give.
But that's not the case. There are problems. God said
there were going to be problems. There were problems like
this two thousand years ago, while Scripture was being written,
while I was being nailed to across, all this stuff
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was taking place. It's nothing new. The only new part
of it is that you have to experience it, because
two thousand years ago it was a whole different set
of people that had to experience it and that were complaining.
They were waiting for the Messiah, they were waiting to
be saved. What do you think they were being wanting
to be saved from now two thousand years ago it
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was what they believed to be the tyranny of the Romans,
and wanting to have specific religious freedoms and the like.
So everyone's going to complain about the things that are
going on, and yes it's hard. I deal with this
with my producer all the time. The more he learns,
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the more he knows, the more frustrated he becomes. But
you still have to get back into the purpose of
all of this and realize it. And this goes for you, Chris,
and for anybody who finds himself pulling away because of
the sadness or the weight of the problems in the world.
If you have the time to know about them, if
you have the time to understand them, you have the
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time to pick yourself up, move yourself towards it, and
deal help someone deal with the problem, and actually participate
in being a solution, not just somebody who harbors the
knowledge of the problem.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Gary, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Hi, good morning,
Hi there, How can I help you.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
I've got a sister that is in a twenty six
year marriage, their first marriage, and they consummated the marriage
and they have been living in a Christian way. The
husband has decided three weeks ago to tell my sister
he no longer wants to live like this and left
the marriage.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
He just doesn't want to be in a marriage, or
he doesn't want to be Christian, or he doesn't want
what he.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Doesn't want to live the way he's been living with
my sister. He has two adult children in college.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Okay, that's better than them being children and kids that
are still living at home.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Right, But it seems to me that God hates divorce
and his family is pretty much devastated from this.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Oh yeah, don't get me wrong. It is completely weak.
I don't understand this kind of concept, whereas I don't
want this anymore. Well, you committed to it. It's you,
you do it.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
You would if you knew this person, you would think
they not that they had the best marriage, but that
they seem pretty sound in their commitment and other things,
and here it is coming from this person just seems
so out of line. He was like, you know, born
again to promise keepers and involved in outreach in the church.
In fact, there's a woman that he'd met in his
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outreach group in his church that he says he's dating.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Now, Oh boy, so it is is he leaving the
church altogether? Does he not want to be a Christian
or he just doesn't want to be married.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
He's just leaving this marriage. He's still involved with this church,
oh boy, still in Bible studies.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
He's not teaching or anything, is he?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Well, he kind of leads in the Bible study.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
He leads the Bible study, and the church doesn't have
a problem with that.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
And second out, it's not you know, directly, I don't
know how to say that, but.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
This is just one that he does on his own.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
I say, it's just a group from their church that
they get together during the week.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
And and how does he justify his actions.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
In his mind? He's he's made his mind up dead.
The marriage is over, was over two years ago.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
So well that doesn't mean anything in his mind.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
How is he justifying and everybody else that since it
was over in his mind? Two years ago, that he's
not not married to her in that sense.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
So are they legally divorced? No, so he's so he's
playing word games.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Yeah, he leaves ago. My sister didn't even have any
He knew there was probably some problems in her marriage,
but she didn't. She said, I didn't think this guy
would lead me.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
You know, that's how she.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
You know, so I don't know, you know, she couldn't
believe that, you know. And then they kind an email
on their computer from this other woman, and she asked
him about that, and then he said, well, now that
you know about it, it's okay that I date this woman,
is what he told her.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Oh that's disgusting. That's just sad and disgusting. Here's the thing.
There's this pitiful kind of me, me me attitude. Unfortunately,
it has crept into the church, and it where men
in particular, although it does happen to women as well.
I think that they can just fall out of love
(03:47):
and that everything's peachy. It's but that's not what love
is about. Love is a decision, right, there's something you decide.
You say, I decide to be in love. It's not
as romantic maybe as some people would like, but that's
what love is and.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Doing what's best for the other person. Well, it's all sacrifice.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
It's a commitment. The man made a commitment and to say, well,
I just you know, I've decided. For one, he's still
legally married and still married under the eyes of God, period.
And the shame on the church if they're not looking
into the situation, if he's dating someone else from the church.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
They did look into it. They talked to him about it,
and he basically towed the pastor that there's nothing to
talk about. He never got any one on one counseling
or marriage counseling.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
For this marriage.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Never said to his wife, let's get some counseling, there's
something wrong with this marriage. He decided by his own
ways that he figured out that he didn't want to
live like this anymore.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Because counseling, there isn't anything wrong with the marriage. The
problem is he wants to be with another woman. That's
not really easily solved here. This is what the saddest
part of this is that Gary, this is the fact
that someone in the church says they don't even want
(05:12):
to hear it. They don't want they they don't want counsel,
they don't want to hear, and of course he's not
here to defend himself on any of these charges. So
I'm speaking conceptually to the masses that they're dealing with
this every day. Men are walking out on their families
because they want something else. The Internet has not helped
h What happened is people are falling in love with fantasies,
(05:36):
and real life will never live up to fantasies ever,
so people get caught up in these fantasies. Men want
to feel like they're young again. Women want to feel
like they're young again, men want to be the football
star again, and all these things which your garbage. It
is no more grotesque than a man wanting to be
put in diapers so it can feel like a baby again.
(05:59):
It is. It is going back, trying to go back
in time and reverse the natural plan of things so
that you can feel a feeling that doesn't exist anymore,
rather than the true, honest romance of someone who's dedicated
(06:20):
just as something. I mean, do you think the romance
of it all is what makes it? The fantasy that
it's something. What's not romantic about someone being committed and
coming home the same to the same person every day
and finding new ways to love them and take care
(06:41):
of them. That is what should be beautiful and romantic.
But it's not. It's this, well, I want the butterflies again,
or I want these things, and I hear it so
often on the show. Don't ever use the excuse I
fell out of love because you fell into it. Too
big deal.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Being a brother in price. Is there a way I
could challenge him? Or people think, oh, you're trying to
judge him. You don't, you know, I'd be making judgment
by saying something.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
You can judge him, you should judge him. This concept
of don't judge anyone is not a biblical one. The
entire the entirety of Scripture is there to be used
for correction, so says scripture. So it's not about judging
them in the sense that you think you're better than them.
You're not. It's about judging the situation or correcting it.
(07:31):
And if you feel compelled to reach out, you're going
to be seen as a you know, someone who has
your own bias. But quite frankly, if he's trying to
make this scripturally okay, he's lost his mind.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
He says he's getting all this grace from what he's done.
I think that the Holy Spirit's not going to tell
somebody to leave their marriage.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
No, unless there is physical or emotional abuse of the
intense kind. Not people say he's mostly a us off
because he would work late or think nothing like that,
but real physical and emotional abuse or infidelity, and even
at that point God may call him to not be
with anybody else. So this whole concept of well, I'm
(08:17):
just gonna run off with someone else and that I'm
not in love anymore is selfish. It comes from the
pit of selfishness and really plays no other part than
the part of a man wrapping himself up in silly,
silly fantasies talking to Gary. And you know, relationships pop
(08:48):
up on the show all the time. We say that
this show is a show about truth. People try and say, well,
it's a religious show where it's just so that really
isn't It focuses on truth and how it pertains to
your life. It just so happens that on the program
we believe all truth is God's truth. And really, as
(09:14):
we deal with individuals that call up and the concerns
they're going through, it's really about you in addition to them,
because you're going through things too, and there's general concepts
and understandings that you should have in your life. There's
(09:37):
a saying that you know, it's not what a man
says or how he acts, but how he reacts that
shows his true character. And isn't that the truth? Because
you can say anything you want, you can act any
way you want, but really how you react to something
shows who you are. That's throughout the entire entirety of scripture.
(10:01):
And we'll get calls from people that are explaining situations
and there's people that aren't here to defend themselves or say, well, no,
that's not really what I'm going through or this was,
and that's fine. So I talk in generalities in hopes
of you understanding as it pertains to something you're going
through or someone you know. The character Wise, when you
(10:22):
make a commitment to someone, you do your utmost to
live up to that commitment. If you are not willing to,
if you figure, hey, it's going to get to a
point where I'm going to get bored or not be
into it or whatever it is, then don't do it.
The vows you go through in a marriage, although they
(10:43):
may change specifically to your event. Are going to focus
on some basic concepts being together in good times and
bad essentially rich or poorer, sickness, and in health, better
or worse. And I think everybody goes into it saying
(11:06):
those words, but only thinking about the positive things, well
for better, for richer, for health. And it's an abomination
to marriage. And I know Christians run around screaming about
divorce this, and you shouldn't because you, yourself, as a Christian,
(11:33):
are not doing anything to better the institution of marriage
than these people that you think are the ones causing
the problems, the divorce rate, all of that. It's not
better for evangelicals, it's not better for people in the church.
(11:55):
And unfortunately, there is this system in the world where
where you won't judge someone or call someone out on
something that you are dealing with yourself because you're afraid
someone's going to shine the light on And unfortunately these
churches are not pointing the finger properly. Christian people in
your church have healthy marriages. Is up to you in
(12:18):
the church. That is your business and that should be
your focus. And I see marriages falling apart in the church,
men walking away saying they're not in love. That is
the epidemic. That is the problem, and it's in your
own backyard. Debro. Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Thank you, good morning.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Hi there, How can I help you?
Speaker 5 (12:47):
I have a question. There is something in the Bibles
that I always struggle with whenever I read it, and
believe it's in the Book of Joshua. Why does God
command Joshua to go into battle and completely destroy the
enemy men, women, and children and sometimes even animals. To me,
(13:12):
that's not a loving God and it doesn't sound like
something that you would be okay with.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Well, there's a lot here, and there are different times.
I've often characterized the scripture more like the life of
a child. And there's certain things that are done when
a child's younger that you wouldn't do when they're older.
They're appropriate. Maybe it's a swat on the behind or
something like that. There are things that you wouldn't do
as they got older. You start to learn to talk
(13:42):
to them and reason with them differently when they come
to that capacity, and you're talking about early stages of
humanity as a whole, and so God deals with them
differently than God deals with people. Now, so you're talking
about Joshua, and we'll go to Joshua six twenty one
and talk about the destruction of Jericho and the verse
(14:03):
there that says to utterly destroy all that was in
the city, both man and woman, young and old, ox
and sheep and donkey with the edge of the sword.
The thought is, well, how could that be justified and
how could that be godly? Well, you're dealing with the Canaanites,
and the understanding is that none of them were innocent.
(14:24):
It's really to say that there was innocent because of
this age or that age. If there were some that
were innocent, for example, the youngest of the children, that
those children would go to heaven. And really you have
to look at this through the eyes of God and
not through the eyes of man, which is a very
difficult thing to do. But God reaching in and taking
(14:46):
life is not a bad thing. Let's put it this way.
There's stuff in your house, your couch. If you were
to go in and take your couch out of your house,
you have the right to do that, right, yes, But
if somebody without asking him in and took your couch
from your house, that's stealing. Correct. Yeah, Well, all people,
all humanity, anything that breathes or lives is a property
(15:11):
of God, and God truly can do what he wants
with it. And there is a time in surgery there
are wounds that you bandage, and there are wounds that
you amputate to protect the rest of the body. So
God's not looking at these people as just individual people.
He's looking at them as the entire body, and the
entire body could become gangrenous or have deep rooted cancer
(15:37):
like problems eating through the rest of it if this
group were to have lived so as heinous as it
seems as you go through, you're talking about God giving
them four hundred years, four hundred years to turn this
area around, to not do these things. And the poison
now starts going so deep that it's going into the
(15:57):
animals and into the children, this poison of sin and depravity.
It was so repugnant it got to such a place,
this abomination. Now you hear people yelling today about, oh,
things are getting horrible in the world, no worse than
anything you've ever seen in its current state, so bad
(16:21):
that God had to go in there because it was
defiling everything else. This kind of abomination and one of
the things that they were doing. It says in verse
twenty one, twenty four and twenty six is child sacrifices.
So there were all these things that were taking place,
and for the protection of the peoples of the world,
(16:42):
of all those the body of God's people, that this
needed to be amputated. And it's a very ugly scene,
a very dark and ugly part of scripture. But when
it comes from God and it's God's hand doing this,
it's justified in context. And I know that a lot
(17:02):
of people go, well, you know what, there are other
religions out there that are claiming the same thing. This
has nothing to do with current situation. God hasn't called
for this again. And the reason why God hasn't called
it is because even the abominations that are taking place
today don't hold a candle to what was taking place then.
In addition to that, the situation as a whole was
(17:26):
very different, and we will never ever be back to
a place of that early time of understanding that a
moral that defiled that kind of specific abomination that deals
with child's sacrifice, and that they were given four hundred
years to repent of their wickedness. Every opportunity according to
(17:52):
Genesis fifteen sixteen, and still don't do it, even though
when they knew the consequences. So this becomes an act
of total rebellion. Now, given this particular state, it was
mercy to kill some because of what was going on,
(18:18):
an ugly, ugly part of history when you look at
it that way. But in the context of who God
is and what time it was and what would have been,
it was God's will to make that choice. It is
not a choice that would take place today. It is
not even in comparison with some of the statements that
(18:41):
are made today. And know more, would it be tolerated
by God in the context of today. Brian, welcome to
the Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
Show ay you do it.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I don't drop off them my blue my bluetooth.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
My main question is my younger brother is out of state,
very secluded. He should be a scholar or a journalist.
He sends me like sixty pages almost every ever the day,
and my question is what can I say to him.
He's one of the best Christians I know with that
where he doesn't do the little things that you're talking about,
(19:24):
and he's such a grouch. We get in fights all
the time because he has no patient. He's not a bruch,
but he knows everything about what's going on Jerusalem, back East.
He goes all these his MoMA fights. He knows the
Bible inside out, but he has such a grouch and
I don't think he has any patience.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Well, knowing, knowing current affairs and the history of things
in scripture doesn't really mean anything. That's just stuff that's academics.
The devil knows every bit of every verse of scripture too,
And that's to say that there are those in scripture
that say, oh, praise God, praise this, and I respond with,
(20:02):
depart from me. I never knew you. So it's not
about knowledge. There's actually three steps to knowledge. There's the
acceptance of it or the understanding of it, the acceptance
of it, and the application of it. So if he
knows all those things and doesn't apply it, it really
doesn't mean anything. He has to get to a place
(20:22):
where he's applying it. I'm curious as to whiten why
not he's I think because.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
He's secluded, even though he's one of those people will
stop and help someone outside of the road with a
phone or something. But he's very secluded and he only
has a couple of friends, but he writes like a
journalist and he knows them and going on and it's
hearts at piece and he just knows so much, and
he's not scared of the world ending he knows. He says, Brian,
you think you've seen something now? He says, the world
(20:49):
is going to get a lot worse. He's one of
these people who can live in his car and be
a bomb. He's not scared of what's going on, and
he's a good Christian. I just think he's too secluded.
And he says to Drops, I don't know how my
sister and I are noticed and how bad he's getting,
and we don't know how to confront him. We just
he hangs up on us all the time. Is there
to him to show him?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Brian, is there any history of mental illness in your family?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
None?
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Hmm, Yeah, because that's it's it's kind of an interesting description.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
He sounds like he's getting more and more reclusive and
and distant from people. Is that the case.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
He's pretty much been. It's because where he's living. He
lives in he lives like forty five minutes from my
sister lives in Oregon. He sees there about once or
twice a week. They talk every day, and then he
has a mathematician online and another friend online. That's basically
his only friends. He has no neighbors really, so when
living in Orange County, he had a lot of.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Friends and he's not going to a church there on.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
I try.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
I'm trying to get to my sister to get him
involved because I lived so far where I live a
thousand miles away, to get him to go out, maybe
help seniors, or go out and do things that people
can't do elderly or something in their homes.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
You know.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
I have a fixful things, or just to get out
in the church innything. I am trying to get him
to do that.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Get through.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah. The hoarding of knowledge is the same of hoarding
of wealth. It's still gluttony unless you're passing it along
or giving it to others. It's still hoarding and it
can't be used for the Kingdom of God. It's the
knowledge isn't out there just so someone can get fat
on it. It's there so it can be passed along.
That's where the Great Commission comes in about the passing
(22:34):
of the gospel. The whole point of the good News
is to get it out to other people as well.
And if if he just stays, you know, stays with him,
it doesn't do anybody any good. I uh, you know,
with him not calling, we're not going to know fully
what's going on with him. But I would say that that,
you know, being a Christian doesn't automatically mean that you're
(22:55):
going to be you know, pie in the sky and always. Uh,
that's just not the way it goes. You can have
very real feelings, good, bad or other, and they should
be explored and allowed to run free. If you're feeling
in a good mood, great, If you're feeling in a
bad mood, let that be known too, But they should
(23:17):
be controlled and understood in light of salvation. So kind
of everything falls by the wayside and salvation takes precedent
and it's like, well, I've got my salvation and life
is good. Otherwise I'd be curious if there wasn't something
else going on, Especially when someone starts hanging up on
(23:37):
loved ones. There's something deeper there. And sadly, Brian, I'm
afraid that there's just no way for us to really
get at it. Without your brother himself calling, but we'll
certainly be praying for him, and you know, the release
of whatever makes him grumpy or grouchy or these types
(23:57):
of things. But don't stop what you're doing. It sounds
like what you're doing is absolutely right. Trying to keep
in connection, show love, continue to love on him, and
if there's a way to get him active in using
those gifts and abilities for other even if it's writing,
starting a blog that's still sharing. Doesn't necessarily have to
connect with anybody right off the bat, but I think
that would be a good thing. And we have Chris
(24:21):
who says he is a grouchy brother, not the grouchy brother,
but a grouchy brother. Chris, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Hello,
So you had thoughts listening to the last Call?
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Yeah? See, like back in two thousand sections, Juil I third,
I ended up. I started believing in God right, and
ever since then, I have I've just been overdosing on reality, right,
just everything I look at and it's just it's just
all bad, right, And I'm just seeing everything, let's greed,
(24:55):
all this pride and everything just overwhelming. And then I
kind of I'm separating myself, and I see whereas brothers
coming from. He just got a lot of knowledge in
them and he just can't get it out. He doesn't
know how to get it out, just like me. So
I separate myself from society pretty much because they're like,
(25:15):
it's pretty bad, okay, But I don't want to fall
into all these ways that are just terrible.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Yes, but God says that you are not to forsake
the gathering of the brethren, And the purpose of that
is because that's how a lot of this starts. It's
the segregation of people. And and yes, I understand that
when you look at things and you see ugly things,
and that it can start to weigh you down. And
sometimes you know, the more you know, the more that
(25:46):
weighs you down, and the more you understand, the uglier
it seems. But understanding that God created everything good, life
is good. Life is very good and supersedes the circumstances
in life, life itself, circumstances, quality of life, or anything else.
Life is always more important. Even a bad life is
(26:09):
better than no life. No life has no moral value,
can't be good or better, good, better or worse. So
I know people get lost in that but if you
look at the beat up, scratched car, it's still a car.
You don't want to get lost in the scratches or
the dance. You want to get lost in the wonderful,
(26:31):
magnificent engineering that takes place and what is happening to
move you from point A to point B. And it's
not about being Pollyanna, but it's about understanding that that
you can dwell so much on the bad things that
it can yes make you a grouch. It can spin
you in the direction of thinking that the world is
(26:52):
going to hell in a hand basket or on a
greased pole, or whatever specific illustration you want to give.
But that's not the case. There are problems. God said
there were going to be problems. There were problems like
this two thousand years ago, while Scripture was being written,
while I was being nailed to across, all this stuff
(27:13):
was taking place. It's nothing new. The only new part
of it is that you have to experience it, because
two thousand years ago it was a whole different set
of people that had to experience it and that were complaining.
They were waiting for the Messiah, they were waiting to
be saved. What do you think they were being wanting
to be saved from now two thousand years ago it
(27:36):
was what they believed to be the tyranny of the Romans,
and wanting to have specific religious freedoms and the like.
So everyone's going to complain about the things that are
going on, and yes it's hard. I deal with this
with my producer all the time. The more he learns,
(27:57):
the more he knows, the more frustrated he becomes. But
you still have to get back into the purpose of
all of this and realize it. And this goes for you, Chris,
and for anybody who finds himself pulling away because of
the sadness or the weight of the problems in the world.
If you have the time to know about them, if
you have the time to understand them, you have the
(28:19):
time to pick yourself up, move yourself towards it, and
deal help someone deal with the problem, and actually participate
in being a solution, not just somebody who harbors the
knowledge of the problem.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
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