Who Witnessed God Creating the Universe

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who witnessed god creating the universe

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand. Andy,
Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Luke fourteen twenty six says, if any man come to
me and hate not his father and mother, excuse me.
I'm curious about the use of the word hate in
this Bible verse.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Okay, if you go on to verse twenty seven, you've
got it in front of you.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
No.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
I just said, Okay, you just took that verse out.
That's fine. It's if you go into verse twenty seven,
it says, whoever does not carry his own cross and
come after me cannot be my disciple. Now, was I
really telling people to carry their own cross? What I
was referring to the concept of in the Roman times,
they would make you when they went to crucify you,

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they'd make you carry the cross. The reason why they
did that it was an outward showing to everyone watching
that you sort of agreed with what the Romans had
put upon you by way of sentencing you to crucifixion.
And this was part of the humiliation of the process
of crucifying someone. For one, but two it was kind

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of like you agree with their sentence. Yes, I'm a
bad person. I'm carrying my cross to the place where
i will be crucified. So I agree with Rome. Now,
what I'm explaining there is that carrying your cross is
about living through the burdens that come with being a
disciple of mine at the time and even today. So

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in Luke fourteen twenty six, when it talks about you know, hating,
that you're gonna hate your own family, well, that can't
mean actually to hate them, because that would be against
the Ten Commandments, against the law, and I said to
adhere to the law in that context. So it wasn't
about hating them. It was about putting God above all things.

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So imagine that you love God so much that everyone else,
including family, is so secondary that it appears like hate
because you're leaving your family to follow God. In some cases,
there were those that you know, rejected what I had
to teach and didn't want their family members to follow me,
and forbade them to do it, and they rejected that

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and followed me, and in that sense they were loving
God over their family, which appeared like hate, but it
wasn't hate in the sense your thinking. It's used like
the concept of the cross, to take up your cross
and follow me. Was not about taking up the literal cross,
nor is to hate your family in that context literal hate.
It's saying to love God in such a way that

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everything else pales in comparison.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Well, the context of doing it after being forbidden to
do it, that really curious it up for me.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
The context you put it in about people loving God
even after their family had forbidden them too, that really
clears it up from me. Oh good, the use of
that word just blew me away.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Well, there's the struggles. There's even in Matthew when it
talks about that I didn't come to bring peace. I
came to bring division. I came to bring a sword.
I came to bring you know, put mother against son,
and son against father and all of these things. And
people start going, well, why what do you mean? Well,
did I actually want to bring division?

Speaker 2 (03:28):
No?

Speaker 1 (03:29):
I came to bring truth. Truth by definition causes division
because people will adhere to it and people it won't.
And so to understand that in the context, I think
is the most important thing. And to see that, of course,
God isn't calling to hate your parents. That would be
against God's word in the Ten Commandments. What it's calling

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you to do to love God in such a way
that's so intense and above all other things that when
there are parents or there are those that involved that
would tell you to reject it, that by the very
nature of that love for God, the love for your
family would be pale in comparison and would look like hate.
That's what it comes down to in context as you
read through it. Excellent, excellent question, Aurora. Welcome to the

(04:21):
Jesus Christ Show.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
Thank you for taking my call. We spoke before so
many times, but we spoken alreadia before. I have a
special need kid. He's autistic as a CP and brain
damage and he's a fantastic child in Love church in
it's been sick since December on and off. And last

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week he woke up and he was having a severe
bloody nose. And after we fix everything and cleaned up,
he was like, Mom, there is something in this house,
and so what do you mean? So there is something here? Mom?
There is somebody after us, and that's it. I didn't

(05:07):
say anything after that, and I have no idea what
he's talking about. And I already called my priests and
he will come this week and lost our place again
and we're going to church in an hour or so.
I'm just wondering what he can see that I can't.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
Hm. Well, I think it's wonderful that you called your priest.
Have you called your doctor?

Speaker 4 (05:34):
Oh yeah, I know we've been to the doctor. Okay,
but so many times.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
Now, and have you asked if cp and in children
has anything tied to hallucinations?

Speaker 3 (05:46):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (05:46):
No, No, there is nothing like that.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Okay, because there are some that believe that there can
be some ties and these types of things, and so
I would highly recommend having him checked out because of
his special needs to begin with, to make sure that
there's not something else that's going on, first and foremost.
I always want to push you towards and especially in

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a case like that, as to look at medical needs.
Go to a medical professional, make sure that there's not complications,
especially if he's on an anti convulsant or something like that,
and make sure nothing else is going on physiologically. Now, spiritually,
can people see things? Sure, there are things going on

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in the spiritual realm that people see, But the Bible
describes him quite specifically and purposefully that if you're going
to see an apparition of some kind or an angel's
going to appear to you or something. It's going to
be very specific and it's not going to contradict scripture.
It won't be vague and kind of outside of things.

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It will show itself more and more so that the
glory of God is seen. If it's of the enemy
and it's something dark or unpleasant like that, then it will.
It can manifest itself in many ways, but usually it's
purposeful and not just fear based. Although the enemy loves

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when those that love God are fearful because it shows
doubt and you know, it can show a lack of
faith to the devil that really it's got to have
some purpose. And the body is a pretty amazing machine
and can see all kinds of things, and even in

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states of lucidity or there's all kinds of things that
can take place. We've had people call up about feeling,
you know, out of body experiences that are simply sleep paralysis,
being sort of awake and sort of sleep at the
same time. It's all kinds of physiological things that take

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place in the body that are pretty wonderful but can
be taken out of context and people think who I
was abducted and all kinds of things when really it's
very natural, normal things that are going on, although they
may not go on all the time, so people don't
have references for them, but people do see things. So

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have it checked out first physiologically, check it out with
a doctor, and make sure there's no other complications or concerns.
This is a special needs child. You already know that,
so start there. And then having a priest come in
or a pastor to pray with them, and so on
and so forth. Maybe interpret some of these ideas or

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some things is not a bad idea. In addition to Carol,
Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
How can I help you?

Speaker 3 (08:53):
Jesus? I have a twenty eight year old son, my oldest,
who is an alcoholic. He was raised by his father's
in Stage eleven. Both are currently in state prison.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
The father end son correct.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
My son UH likes to play Russian Roulette with alcohol
and Uh. I got a phone call from an er
doctor asking me if I wanted his heart restarted if
it stopped, and I found he's a multiple fellow my
son and I found a way with his probation officer
to violate him and reinstate a prison sentence. So he's

(09:31):
currently there, he's alive. I mean, it stopped him from
blaming Russian Roulette. I'm having He is due to come out.
He's recently been able to call me and talk to me,
and I sense he's blaming me in some ways for
him being in prison. He didn't really need to go.

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He was in.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Didn't you say that you did it?

Speaker 3 (09:55):
I did it and blame pardon me, that's blame.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
You did it.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
I did do it, and I admit it. But what
they would have done is release them from the er,
and he would have continued Russian Roulette and be buried.
And I guess maybe maybe I should have allowed that
to happen. I'm having trouble figuring out how I'm helping
and hurting him.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Is there a program that's not just simple incarceration, because
that's that's not their job. You know, they've got their
hands full with with others and numbers. Yeah, but is
there another system or something that would work, actually work
and deal and speak specifically to his alcoholism.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
He was in a program, he was in a Christian
rehab program down here, and you're saying that's aoration. He
had a probation visit he had that was required or
they'd violate him. There was no one to take him.
I put him on a train to go up there
by himself, and he started. He was he should have

(11:04):
been supervised, and he started drinking.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Why didn't you go with him?

Speaker 3 (11:08):
I'm disabled. I could not else to go with him.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
So it was a tragic if he the group, the
group could.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
They couldn't believe me. I tried, I tried everything. So
it was wrong to trust him with a train ticket
early in sobriety. But he was doing well and he
I've had him in my home three times. He went
two years sober, working, doing well. Now his his life
with his father, where he was an alcoholic. He allowed

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himself to be used for nonviolent crimes, but bad checks
and whatever, and it's just wrecked his life. Ye, And
those things seemed to just pop up out of the
past and drag him back down and he starts drinking.
Now he's he's somewhat blaming me for for for making
things worse. Now he's got a further prison record.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
Well, I mean, you do play a part in this.
You brought this man into your life to begin with.
Who brought you this son? You introduced him to his
dadd He didn't know him before you, So these are
decisions that you've made. However, at this point, he has
to be accountable to himself. He's twenty eight years old.

(12:24):
He needs to be in a program, not incarcerated in
this context. He needs to be somewhere where they're working
on that program and no more. Oh, we couldn't get this.
We couldn't get that. It has to be done period.
Whether someone has to be paid to go with him,
I'm sure if he's working a program like AA, a

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counselor or a mentor type would love to be with
him and supervise in a case like that, and it
can be done, and you've got to get him back
into that program boundaries. Okay, So Carol dealing with her
twenty eight year old son is now incarcerated, but he's

(13:07):
an alcoholic and trying to get that I know it
can be incredibly difficult, and it's one of those things
that is ongoing. When it comes to dealing with anybody
who's an alcoholic or has an addiction like that, you
have to be a landing port of goodness like this

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is where this is a sanctuary of goodness, no drinking,
none of that ugliness. This is where you have boundaries
and structure and warm food and all of that. But
you can go where you want and you can do
what you want at that age. So they have to
know that this is where they come back. Now. It's
almost like you see all kinds of examples of this

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in life. In sports you have racing, they've always got
to come back to the pit crew. The pit crew
doesn't run alongside and follow them everywhere. Pit crews at
the pit crew place in the pit and you drive
up to them, hobble in, do whatever you have to do,
and they go and they pop off the tires and
they fill the gas and they do whatever they need

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to do. And it's kind of how your home should be.
When you're dealing with someone like that, you say, this
is where you get this. You can get food, you
can get those things, but it's under it's under my terms.
You have to come here to me, under my terms
and stick with them. Problem is, most people that are
family and friends of people that are addicted or alcoholics

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tend to, you know, want to baby them all the
time or give them too much, and that's unhealthy and
that's where problems lie, and you need them to find
that structure. They're basically telling you they don't understand how
to have structure in their life anymore. They don't know
how to drink properly, and they don't know how to

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stop drinking properly, and that puts them in a really
horrible situation. So now they need someone to teach them
how to do that, and someone they can be accountable to.
And it's not going to be your family. If your
family tends to look for reasons to kind of look
the other way or what have you go, oh, well
it's not so bad or whatever it is, or gosh,

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you know, how could I deny my family? X, Y,
and z. So you need someone on the outside to
really do it. That's the key, Sabrina, Welcome to the
Jesus Christ Show.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Hello.

Speaker 5 (15:42):
I have a friend who's a Hypochondriac's at a very
critical crossroad in her life and that she's on the
precipice of homelessness and has all but destroyed every relationship
she has with this behavior. She's really religious and studies
the Bible all the time. So I'm wondering if there's
a particular part of the Bible that speaks to this
type of behavior to direct her to.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Well, maybe not specifically to some, but most certainly talks
about those that are anxious or those that worry, which
would tie into the always assuming that something is wrong
with you. Okay, so how does it manifest with her?

Speaker 5 (16:20):
Well, I mean, I'll tell you a little background. She
had a trust fund that was to take care of
her the rest of her life. This was a very
wealthy woman. Essentially, she's blown through that going from doctor
to doctor to doctor. She doesn't really have anything wrong
with her. She does have some underlying depression, but that's

(16:42):
being treated. It's really she just cannot engage herself in
regular day to day activities. When she's pressured it's, oh,
I have a migraine. She can never just have a headache.
She has to go to the doctor's spend our is
going from doctor to doctor trying to get treatment for

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something that she doesn't really have.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
So and the doctors give her straight up advice, we
don't find anything wrong with you, or this is normal
or correct, and she poo poos that correct.

Speaker 5 (17:17):
She does have some legitimate health issues, but they're very minor.
I mean, there's nothing. She's not disabled in any sense. Okay,
and that's basically where her and her family and I
are really frustrated' she's basically but for her daughter and
son in law would have been homeless at this point.

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And nothing we seem to say to try and get
her to I know, there's a certain amount of fear.
She's middle aged, and there's a certain amount of fear
of re entering workforce. So this is kind of making
it worse. But it's very selective. She can, she can
pull herself together to go to church.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
She hasn't been. She hasn't been this way since you've
known her at the beginning, has she?

Speaker 5 (18:06):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (18:07):
So always? And how far does this go back?

Speaker 5 (18:11):
As far as I can tell based on family history,
that's probably started in childhood.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Hmmm, So it's it may be exacerbated by work, but
really this is something that has been with her.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Has she ever been looked at for anxiety or some
sort of imbalance with chemicals brain chemistry?

Speaker 5 (18:32):
Yes, And like I said, she is she is being treated. Basically,
what we're told by the professionals is that this is
a behavioral problem. So it's similar I guess to O. C. D.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Okay, where she needs to be kind of broken of
it and the and the habitual, the physical habit of
it correct. Well, that's going to take time and take
a professional as well.

Speaker 5 (18:57):
Yeah, and here's the dilemma that she is. She has
no money where she's relying on. She's basically indigent, so
she is getting certain counseling, but she's just moved to
another state to be with her daughter, so she hasn't
the only kind of psychiatric care she's gotten. Has been
there willing to pick up the tab basically for her medicine,

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but they don't. Really there's not enough time for them
to figure out that this is she is a hypochondriac,
that she's got a long history of this kind of behavior.
It's very subtle. She can seem perfectly like she has
it together.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
Well, I would imagine the signs of that. And typically
and there's again this is not a medical show by
any stretch of the imagination, but typically things that are
very normal, certain breathing patterns, even sweating, you know, running noses,
things like this, Like you mentioned the headaches, there's a
need to use hyperbole to describe them and to make

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much larger, grandiose or the ice tip of an iceberg
of something greater below that's going to happen, and therefore
and triggers, and then it's a cycle of trying to
figure out, you know, go from doctor to doctor, trying
to figure out what's wrong with you. And that's hard
to be seen by one doctor because hypochondriacs tend to

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change doctors a lot for that very reason, because they're saying, well,
we don't see anything wrong and they assume, okay, well
they don't know what they're doing, so doctors only get
pieces of the history, and that's unfortunate. Does she recognize
it at all if people confronted her with it.

Speaker 5 (20:41):
She has been confronted, and she does not believe that
she's got this problem. I mean, she's been told this.
She switches psychiatrists as soon as they tell her, wow,
this is a behavioral problem. That there is no magic
drug that's going to cure this, but it's going to
take on her part.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
And that's her hope, is something that she can just
pop in her mouth and throw back some water and
it will and she'll be well pretty much.

Speaker 5 (21:09):
Yes, And and that then of course kind of follows
suit to the whole slippery slope of well, I'm too ill.
I can't I can't look for work, I can't get
a job. I can't you know, even get up and
take care of herself. It's take to take to bed
for days.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
But she has been checked and she certainly does not
have migraines.

Speaker 5 (21:33):
No, no, she doesn't have migraine. She she like I said,
she does have some underlying, legitimate issues. But we're talking about.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
All humans have knocks and pains, every single one of them, right.

Speaker 5 (21:47):
Right, Well, so this is my dilemmas. And she really
she does like to you know, she uses her face
and this is it very much irritates me when she
uses her path that God will just take care of
her and that all will be fine, but with seemingly
no action on her part.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
Yeah, And there's scripture that talks about anxiety or being anxious. Obviously,
Philippians four six says that do not be anxious about anything,
or some people say be anxious for nothing, but in everything,
by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God.
And it even goes on. And Philippians say, and the

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peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your
heart and mind in Jesus Christ and all true. But
if somebody's got an issue that needs to be taken,
look a look at and people are using this as
an excuse not to participate. Really, what that's about is

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getting the person to a place of peace where they
understand that they have a problem and then taken care
of it. So she's in a much worse place because
she's not receiving any help and there's nothing you can do.
This is the dilemma with God as well. There's nothing
you can do when someone rejects you like that. You

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know they're not an animal. You can't throw a bit
in their mouth and a saddle on their back and
ride them somewhere. If you have to somehow get her
to understand that she needs help and to receive that help.
Otherwise there's nothing you can do, and sadly you may
have to watch your spiral out of control and augur
until she figures out how bad it is. Alan, Welcome

(23:35):
to the Jesus Christ Show. Hey, good morning, Jesus, good morning.
How can I help you?

Speaker 3 (23:39):
First?

Speaker 6 (23:40):
First, let me take a breakfast.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
I'm very very nervous.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Oh no, don't be nervous.

Speaker 6 (23:45):
First time on ever calling a radio station. But I
was going to have asked the screen or if you
knew my answer or the answer. But anyway, let me
get to the question I got in a conversation. I
was reading my Bible and some people want up to
me and they you know, I was reading, and they
told me in Genesis, they says, well, who witnessed God

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creating the earth? And for you know, I was at
a loss for words. I didn't know what to say.
So I'm calling you. I've been listening to you for
a whole year.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
And thanks. Well, I appreciate that. Well, let's think about
this for a second. It does make sense to ask
that question, doesn't it. Well, well, Moses wasn't there for creation?

Speaker 4 (24:28):
Was he?

Speaker 1 (24:29):
And the belief by Christians would be the same as
our Jewish brothers and sisters that the first five books
of the Bible were written by Moses. So was Moses
at the account? No, not at creation? So who was
an eyewitness at creation? God? Now, God is the author

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of all of scripture. God uses man to uh make
the account, and there are eyewitness accounts uh of things
throughout the entirety of scripture. But in this particular case,
there are also things that man can't know. There are
times where God said and where it will say, and
God knew that so and so meant this. Well, how

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would you know that unless you knew the mind of God.
There's many things in here that you couldn't know unless
God told them to you. In Romans one, it talks
about the difference between general and special revelation. A general
revelation is the things that you can see, just the
creation itself. Special revelation is like scripture, or it's when
God comes and speaks to somebody specifically. And in the

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case of the account of creation, that's simply given to
Moses by God, not seen as an eyewitness. And usually
there's a difference. Moses would say that he saw something
or witnessed it himself, or others in scripture would and
there's a difference between them merely taking dictation, as the

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case may be, imperfect man writing it down. However, the
account as it stands, given by a perfect God. So
God was the eyewitness and gave that imagery and that
understanding to Moses. Moses wrote it down, but Moses was
not an eyewitness.

Speaker 6 (26:18):
Ah, thank you very much for the answer.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
You're welcome. Okay, Well, that's my hope is to make
you feel a little better. And I know that that
doesn't always you know, sit with some people. People wrestle
with that goot, but you're talking about it. In order
to not be able to consume that, you have to
not be able to consume the concept of God as
a whole. So you kind of have your own bias

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and you reject the concept of the supernatural. In this case,
you've got to have to kind of have to receive
the supernatural if you're gonna believe in God at all.
So in this case, if there is a God in
the context of the skeptic, God has no problem filling
in those blanks or giving that information where somebody couldn't be.

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And in this case, this is directly handed by God
to the author in this case, which would be Moses.
So that's where that comes from. It's not like Moses says, hey,
this is what I saw, or there's something contradictory in
that context. There is not. It's merely someone writing down

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dictation more or less, rather than an eyewitness account, which
does take place. That's like piecing in if somebody was
in court and someone's being charged with something them explaining
what they did while they were alone, in addition to
what the eyewitnesses saw later. So if somebody went and

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robbed a bank, people witnessed them robbing the bank, and
now they're arrested and they're on trial, the eyewitness says,
this is what I saw from this point to this point. Well,
the person who did the crime by themselves can fill
in the blanks and say, well, this is what I
was thinking while I was in the room by myself
preparing to do the heist. This is what I did,

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this is what I wore, this is when I showed
up all those things that the eyewitness couldn't know, and
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