November 18, 2025 • 29 mins
KTLA’s Kacey Montoya breaks down the storm soaking SoCal, Andy meets the guy who’ll teach you to drive a stick shift, and news anchor, Mark Rahner talks about the new Frankenstein movie. Plus, 787 pilot and former DC-10 engineer Paul Nelson shares insights on aviation safety and UPS cargo plane crash.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I'm Andy Reesemy.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Are good evening on this Monday, November seventeenth, just past
seven o'clock. Lots coming up on tonight's show, Fully Caffeinated, Ready.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
To Go Baby.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
We're gonna, of course, be talking about the latest on
the storm man just snuck up on us here in
the San Fernando Valley. Plus, if you can drive a
stick shift car, you might be able to get paid
to teach someone else. How about that pay it forward.
Plus we are looking at the total financial cost of
the government shutdown. I know that's interesting to some people
(00:39):
who like math. And then later we talked to an
American airline or excuse me, I intertually don't know what
airline he flies for. I have to just say, I
don't know. He's a seven eighty seven pilot, and he's
a commercial pilot, and he's going to talk to us
about those DC tens that are now grounded along with
the MD eleven's that of course following that airplane crash
(00:59):
back and the beginning of last week the ups crash
and Loville. So we got lots to talk about. But
first I know that she's got to go to bed soon,
so we don't want to keep her waiting. We have
on the phone my sometimes friend and yours, Casey Montoya,
the weather extraordinaies is that?
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Is that fair?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Is that what you call yourself?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
That's exactly what I call myself. I call myself a
weather actress, a weather actress.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I was going to say, like extraordinaiis, which is also
a nonsense word. But you are I know you. You
are getting your meteorology degree. Are you a full meteorologist?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Now?
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Yeah, Andy, I just play one on TV.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
You know the kind of people who get to do
the weather at KTLA.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
All right, No, yeah, I did go to weather school, Andy,
and I have actually put you through weather school like KTLA.
I think you do a great job. I think you
have a lot of personality and you're smart and for
people listening, you're a very fast learner, like you pick
it up.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Thank you. Well.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
You know, the thing is that you are terrifying and
as a teacher, I feel like if I screw up,
you will kill me. And that just was not an
option for me in that afternoon. So tell me about
this storm. This is kind of surprising to me at
least just how heavy this is. This feels maybe even
heavier and longer period of rain than I saw on Saturday,
(02:21):
at least in the San Fernando Valley.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Yeah, we started to get these alerts from the National
Weather Service this afternoon, like in the one o'clock hour
that they were like, okay, this is what we're seeing
on our radars, and now we think we might see
more rainfall than what was previously predicted. Yeah, we thought
this was going to be, you know, a little bit weaker,
and it is a little bit weaker because it's colder
than the storm we saw on Saturday, which broke a
lot of records. But you know, honestly, I thought this
(02:45):
was going to start to move in and be really
heavy for us later this morning. And sometimes these just
stall out move slower than we think. So for everyone
calling and texting in the valley, like you Andy, saying
where did this come from? And when is it going
to stop? Yeah, I drove home through some of those
really really torrential downpours basically when the flash flood warnings
in effect. I think a lot of those just expired though.
(03:07):
In the seven o'clock hour.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Yeah, now, well, there's been an it's been extended now
until nine to nineteen. We actually just had that EMS
alert right before we came on the show here and
now if you're looking at any of the local broadcast stations,
you'll see that Emergency Alert System flash flood warning for
Los Angeles County now in effect until nine to nineteen pm.
And I'm looking at the radar here and I can
see that over the next hour or so that will
(03:29):
start to move out of the San Fernando Valley to
the north and to the west, which is good because
we've had some pretty steady rain for the last few hours.
But I was walking through the neighborhood when I was
going to the car, and I have never seen the
sidewalks flooded. I'm like walking through large puddles on the
sidewalk and it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
And we came over.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I came down the one thirty four over towards Bourbank
coming to the station here, and I could see as
the light was hitting the freeway that the water was
coming across the freeway like icing on a sheet cake,
and it was crazy.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Achnology is that it isn't The problem is that we
have had so much rain with two previous storm systems
that you know, a lot of times people don't understand,
like the ground is saturated, that water really has nowhere
to go, and so it's just pooling in the streets.
It's making for more dangerous conditions. Even if we weren't
going to get in as much rain today as we
got on Saturday, you know, the potential for those dangerous
conditions to legit exist just because of that ground. I mean,
(04:26):
it is soaked as far as it could get soaked.
And man, I'm telling you, Andy, that was a really
scary drive home and having those emergency alerts. I was
listening to Tim Conway. Having those emergency alerts added to
the terror.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
And we were also I think playing some of your
weather forecasts during Conway, which additionally adds to the terror.
I want to ask you something that whether people always
say that doesn't make any sense to me, is that
when people say, like, oh, an inch of rain is
actually means five feet of rain or whatever the hell
that you are always talking about.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
When you say that, how come that's so hard to understand.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
I don't think I've ever said that. I don't even
know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Maybe I said that.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
I mean, you did.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Say that, Andy, No, but it is something to take
very seriously because you see people driving.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
You know.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
It irked me so much tonight is that you know,
this speed limit is sixty and you know most of
us are going forty, but there's still people on their phones,
like in the middle of this dangerous weather. So you know, look,
most of these accidents like we can prevent And let
me be your public service announcement right now for those
driving in the car, Like you're doing something safe by
listening to the radio. But man, there is no text
(05:36):
that is important enough for you to look down at
your phone while you are driving in you know, a
flash flood.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Yeah, yeah, no, you're absolutely right. Okay, So you were
going going from the station in Hollywood. I won't say
your address, but you were going to Can you say
what part of the city you were driving to?
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Well, I don't live in La thank god, I moved
to the South Bay. Driving to the South.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Bay, Yeah, so through that stre it was pretty treacherous.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Oh yeah, and just down for is out of nowhere,
you know. Sometimes I grew up in Texas though, and
so let me just say as bad as this was,
today Texas has guys be here and so cal As
far as scary weather, well, yeah, that's the kind of
rain that you have to pull over because you just
literally can't your winchol wippers can't keep up with the
amount of rain.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Oh it's so funny.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
I haven't thought about that in a long time, because
you know, I grew up them Midwest and we had
the same kind of thing where it would rain and
then it would get so hard that your winchel wipers
couldn't keep up with it, and you would you'd pull over.
Mark Roner, our news anchor, is from Seattle, so or
lived in Seattle for a long time, so he absolutely
knows how this is. And then it sometimes it turns
into hale and then you think, yeah, is it You
(06:43):
know that moment where you're like, is it hale? Is
it becoming hale? Or is it just big droplets crazy stuff?
How long do you think that this is going to
keep going on? For people in La tonight.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Well, for people in Lace and I hopefully those showers
will taper off. That's at least what the radar are
showing us. And then for the Inland Empire Orange County
of course, because you guys got this later. It'll last
through the night, but we still have the chance of
seeing thunder storms overnight. And some of these rainfall rates.
You know, my computer at home doesn't load, you know,
as fast of data as it does at work. But
I was just looking at some of the rainfall rates
(07:15):
for like the last three hours, and some spots in
the valley have already gotten an inch of rain. I
was trying to find like the Yeah, there's a couple
that was a little over an inch, just under an inch,
significant rain, Yeah, just in the lot I put on
there in the last three hours, even a half an
inch for parts of LA at the airport, the last
three hours, it's like a zero point three to six.
(07:35):
So I mean, we're talking about significant rainfall again in
addition to what we just got, and then the one
before that, And now we have another storm all headed
our way Thursday into Friday. So after that though, at
least looking at the models right now, it looks like
we'll dry out, temperatures might be back to normal. But yeah,
it's for everyone who wants to go out and put
I put the Christmas lights up anyway in the rain,
(07:56):
you know, why not?
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Yeah, I mean, what do you have to live for?
Right in the rain gets struck by lightning?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Come on, Casey, no big deal.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Don't people break in the rain?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Okay? All right, well that's that's fine.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
What we do we go on TV and we say
don't do this, and then in our private lives we
do every our private live shot, we do everything we
told you not to.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
That's right. You never pack your patients, that's just all right.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Casey Montoya from kt LA, thank you so much for
being here. Appreciate you for calling in and keeping us safe,
keep us posted. Please text me if any developments occur
as far as me needing to leave the building here
in Burbank, I would appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
But that's gonna have to be before a thirty because
then I'm going to sleep. It's on you after that.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
There, she goes, Casey Montoya, you're listening.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
To KFI AM six forty on demand.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I me, Eddie Reesmeyer, thanks for being here this evening.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Good fine me on the internet at Andy, KTLA got
lots to talk about. Can you drive a stick shift car?
Was the question that we had this morning on the
KTLA More News. I put a call out to people
who are watching as I do every day, to interact,
send a note, talk back as they say, and it
was just what are you doing? Do you drive a
(09:12):
stick shift? Have you driven a stick shift? And do
you have a fun story about it? I got more
responses to that question than I've ever received from any
other thing that I've asked. I don't know why. I'll
get into a story, but later on we'll open up
the phone lines. You can give us a call and
tell us your stories, and I'll read some of the
other stories that weren't able to do on the air
(09:33):
this morning on KTLA. But I also want to make
sure that you're aware that the fifteenth annual CAFI Pastathon
is here. Give it up for Chef Bruno's charity, Katerina's Club.
Of course, they provide more than twenty five thousand meals
every week to kids in need in so cal Your
generosity makes all of this happen. We have a live
broadcast giving Tuesday, December second, from five am to eight
(09:57):
pm at the Anaheim White House. That's basically the entire day.
Don't quote me on the math. There more details on
that will be coming soon. But there are ways you
can start help or help. Starting today, you can donate
anytime at KFIAM six forty dot com slash Pastathon. You
can go to any Wendy's restaurant in southern California and
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donate five dollars or more to Caterina's Club and get
a coupon book for Wendy's Goodies. Get out of tat
Wendy's Goodies. You can do that through twelve eight. Or
you could go to Yamavah Resort and Casino, get out
there play. When you cash your winning ticket at the kiosk,
it'll ask you if.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
You want to donate your change.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
You can say yes, pick Katerina's Club from the four
options on the screen. That's that's actually great. I finally
have an excuse to go gamble, and it's for a
good cause.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
True.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
I'm always giving my money away when I'm gambling, but
at least now it's going to charity. We've also got
some upcoming live broadcasts that will be fun about the
Pastathon experience. Friday, the twenty five first Conway will be
live at Smart and Final in your Belinda that's right
off the ninety one Freeway. From four to eight pm,
you can shop for Thanksgiving, you could donate to the
(11:10):
pasta Thon experience in store. See mister Conway, I call
him mister Conway. He does not like that, he referred.
He wants him to be You' like, please just stop
calling me mister Conway. Just call me Tim. I'm like, yes, sir,
mister Conway. I'm so sorry, he said, stop, just it's
too weird. Then Saturday eleven twenty two, Nil Savedra will
(11:31):
be broadcasting live between two and five PM at Wendy's
in Mission via Ho. That's on Alicia Parkway. So very
fun stuff there. Pasta Thon Kay if I am six
forty dot com slash pasta Thon.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Past ten thion p A S t A t A
Joe N. You're gonna go, Ronner. I will be here
doing the news.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I'm gonna head on down I think for Gary and
Shannon's show after the morning show. So I will be
there during the morning of December second, sometime after eleven am.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
But you try the food there. The food is really good.
What do they have? What did I have? I can't
remember what I had? Do they have any is there?
Is it? Is it pasta? They? Well, it's a it's
a big restaurant, so they have a big menu.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Let's look at the menu at the Catarina's Club. We'll
do that maybe in a later how about that, because
I do want to get to this other story before
we get out of here.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Do it. And now I said that I lost I
lost my script. Okay, you can blame me? Can you?
Speaker 3 (12:27):
You have any got any updates for us as far
as just like your life, any move?
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Oh did you see Frankenstein?
Speaker 6 (12:32):
I did see Frankenstein. Giermo del Toros Frankenstein. Have you
seen it as well?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I saw it last night. Yeah, I tell me what
you thought.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
I okay, I'm gonna preface this by saying I am
an unreliable source because I like everything.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
There were times where I kind of was like this
dragon a little bit, but I thought it was a
cool movie with a really nice message, and I loved
the production design.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
It was so yikky.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
I had to look away multiple times because I'm a
little squirmy boy.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Amputations are rough. Wow, there's just it's so unexpected. But
you're saying the movie convinced you not to play god?
Is that it?
Speaker 3 (13:07):
I thought that was you know, it's funny because I
think that I know that that's a big theme of
the film, Yes, but also the idea of forgiveness and
the idea of okay.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
And you know, spoiler alert sorry here.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Oh if you take away someone's ability to die, which
what could be worse? Really, at the end of the day,
at least as far as the thesis of the movie goes,
could you ever be forgiven for that? A fascinating study.
Production design was cool. Seems like maybe he watched a
couple of Yorgo's laugh most movies. A lot of wide
angled shots, a lot of sort of a mysterious production design,
(13:44):
I don't know, sort of a surrealist probably is the
word I was looking for.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
Well, it was beautiful. It was production designed to within
an inch of its life. Oh yeah, but I agree
with you that it did dragon spots. It was very,
very long, very sincere, and for a Frankenstein movie.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
It wasn't a horror film.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
No.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
It was really sweet and kind of nice.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
And it's funny because a lot of the sort of
heady movies I feel like that you go to see
in the theater. I first came up with this thesis
when I went and saw The Lighthouse, remember that dreadful film.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Yeah, I didn't like the Lighthouse.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
My god, there was this whole thing that happening in movies,
and I think it still persists, which is like a
movie for it to be good, and an Oscar contender
must make you feel like absolute garbage when you leave.
Speaker 6 (14:23):
It was very touching the Frankenstein movie. But I'll tell
you all that made me want to do was go
and watch the eighty two minute Curse of Frankenstein for
Hammer from the fifties, which really moved along, and I
just thought it was more fun. I mean, this thing
seemed and I've read the book, of course, but this
thing seemed so and slave to the book, like the
(14:44):
book's been around for a really long time. You got
to throw me a new wrinkle. Look, oh that's interesting.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
So I have not read the book because, as you know,
I'm illiterate, So for me, it was at least new content,
which I thought was kind of fascinating.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Well, radio is for the illiterate. Don't let that. Don't
let that. This is why I always have in trouble,
all right, So I'll tell you what. Here's the story.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
There is an app kind of like the uber for
learning how to drive stick shift. If you can't drive
stick shift, you can go on the app across the
country more than one hundred metro areas and link up
with somebody for a couple hundred dollars who will let
you use their car and teach you how to drive
a five speed or six speed.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
You have to put down a deposit in case you
ruin their transmission. You know, I would.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
I cannot imagine wanting to do this, but I guess
there's some very trusting people out there. So it's called the.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
What is it called? It is called the stick Shift
Driving Academy.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Connect to people with manual transmission cars and people who
want to learn how to drive them. It's a really
beautiful story. It gives you a better hand eye coordination.
If you've never driven a stick shift before, I highly
recommend it. It's a mouthful. Just call it stick school
and be done with it. Ooh, stick School, No trouble,
there no issues with that branding whatsoever.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
No.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
But what we're gonna do is we'll do this after
we have our our I think, Richie, is it possible
for us to have a guest and also open the
phone lines to call.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Do we have the technology? Yes? All right, so here's
what we're gonna do.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
And you're gonna have to wait on hold maybe for
fifteen minutes, so maybe call in ten minutes.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
This is already so terrible.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
I want to know if you can drive a stick
shift and what your stick drift stick shift driving story is.
The number is eight hundred five to zero one five
three four. That's one eight hundred five two zero one
KFI and we'll take your calls starting at seven forty five.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
How about that? Do we have a deal? Who could resist? Richie?
We have a deal?
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Solid you're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand. B.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I'm Andy Reesemeyer. If you'd like to reach me at Andy.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
KTLA is the best way, at least if you're using
the Internet. You could find that anywhere Internet is sold
on x Instagram. Instagram is usually the place where I
am the most active. I do the most scrolling.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
There. Not a TikTok guy, But I know.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
The thing that is great about social media, which is
also its ills, is that it will just if you
do it right, if you curated it correctly, it will
give you everything you ever wanted to see. I mean, sure,
it makes you feel empty. Most of it's AI slop, Yeah,
but I find it to be pretty effective for at
least finding stories.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
To talk about for the news.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
But I will say I did a thing a couple
weeks ago that we talked about where I went to
a flight simulator and I learned how to land an airplane,
or at least I saw if I could land a
seven thirty seven in the case of an emergency. Right,
we've all had, or at least some of us have
had the fantasy of Okay, the pilot eight, the fish,
the co pilot eight, the fish. Can you land a
plane just with the help of air traffic control? And
(17:55):
I would say I did pretty well in the segment.
But ever since then I have just been receiving non
stop emergency airplane videos like this situation happened, this simulator failed,
this pilot landing that got out of control, and what
this led to catastrophe. It was made worse by the
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news of the last few weeks, which we've been following closely,
which was that tragic crash of a ups MD eleven
which crashed right after takeoff.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
In Louisville.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
I think we've all been sort of inundated by the stories,
just thinking about how did this happen? Hope it doesn't
happen again. Just feel terrible for the people on the ground,
people on the aircraft, all of it. So we have
a lot of questions about air travel, especially with the
wake of the shutdowns and how that screwed everybody up,
and especially coming into the holiday season. So I figured
(18:52):
we would go straight to the source. Joining us on
the phone is a seven eighty seven pilot, former and
engineer on the DC ten, a current commercial pilot, Paul Nelson.
Captain Paul Nelson. Good to have you here on KFI
this evening. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
Oh, thank you, Andy. How are you.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
I'm so I'm so well and I'm glad that you're
here to sort of walk us through what's going on here.
I want to go back to that conversation that we
were having about the terrible crash that we saw a
week and a half ago. There, of course was an
MD eleven who saw it take off. You flew on
the DC ten back in the day. The MD eleven
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is basically a bigger version of that. It's been a
while since either plane has carried passengers, mostly now used
for cargo. But before we sort of get into any
kind of conversation about what the future of the plane
looks like in service, what was it like to be
on that plane and to operate that aircraft.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
The DC ken, I mean, they really called it a
gentleman's aircraft, and most of the guys that I worked
with on that were there's they're very close to retirement,
and I was lucky enough to make numerous trips to
Hawaii in it. It was great jet, great big roomy
cock fits, very comfortable. I think the passenger liked it
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because I had very large overhead bin space and a
lot of room in the galleries for the play at
ten for works. So it was really really a neat airplane.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
One of the things that was coming out after the
investigation started here with this this ups crash is that
the MD eleven's are all grounded, and then they've also
gone back and grounded a lot of the DC tens.
And I know that the MD eleven, you know, like
I said, it is a lengthened version. It's a little
more modern version of the DC ten. The DC ten
was really had a lot of controversy, at least from
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the media's perspective after some some pretty I guess, devastating crashes.
When we talk about the MD eleven, I've heard it
was like kind of a sensitive jet to fly.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
Yeah, yeah, have some some some design changes in it,
and and one of the I think when they developed it,
one of the biggest things was the fuel efficiency. And
and generally speaking, an aircraft is more efficient when it
has the center gravity shifted more towards the tail, so
the tail is involved with more so if the overall
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total lift generated by the wings and the The NB
eleven had a unique system where it had a in
the horizontal stabilizer back in the tail, had a fuel
tank and fuel automatically during crews get shifted to the
tail and and put more weight back there. And in
an attempt to make it really meet all the fuel
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burned numbers that that they had had promised the developers.
One of the other things that's probably notable on top
of that from the ten to the eleven is that
the empanage all the the the tail feathers that if
you will, the horizontal and vertical stab were smaller than
the d C ten, so you had less surface area
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to to make picks changes, et cetera, and move the
rudder compared to the d C ten, And then you know,
you add that it's a longer airplane by about twenty
feet than some of the leverage arms are different, having
the fuel shifting around to the CG, the center gravity
shifting around. Yeah, it is that. It was kind of
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innovative in its time. The question is whether it was
on an automatic system. The question is whether it worked properly.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
You know, if you look at at the there's a
lot of landing accidents with the MD eleven and they know,
you know that in crosswinds apparently, I guess it was
a little bit of a handful, but I think probably
because I didn't really know where the CG was at
any one time. It was supposed to have shifted everything
out of the tail, you know, on the descent and landing,
(22:59):
But whether that actually occurred or not, I don't think
there's any way of telling.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Yeah, well, yeah, absolutely So we're speaking with commercial pilot
Paul Nelson, who is a seven eighty seven pilot formerly
an engineer on the DC ten. DC ten was a
member of category of wide body aircraft called tr jets,
where there were literally three jets. You had the DC ten,
the L ten eleven made by Lockheed. Of course here
in Burbank. That's exciting. Or I guess up in Palmdale
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is actually where they built it, but Lockheed was in Burbank.
And then the MD eleven and I guess it's not
a wide body jet, but the seven twenty seven. You know,
we used to see these try jets all the time,
but not anymore. What really sort of made that airframe
kind of fall out of favor?
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Well, really, I think it was development of the two
engine airplanes that were allowed to actually fly long over
water stretches, all using extended twin engine operations. And you know,
when I was flying three engine jets Hawaii, that was
replaced by a seven to sixty seven and seven fifty
seven two engines, and you know, at first we're really
(24:04):
kind of concerned about it, but once we started buying
it and the capability of the airplane was incredible. Yeah,
you can carry way more cargo and do it two
engine fuel burn versus three engine fuel burn. Right, you
can do the math that you just reduce your fuel
burn costs by about a third pretty simply.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
So I want to ask about this ups plane. You know,
lots of theories, but obviously we're not going to speculate.
The NTSP is investigating. They'll have a formal investigation here.
But a lot of people are comparing it to a
DC ten crash from the late nineteen seventies. I think
it was nineteen seventy nine American Airlines flight one ninety one,
where a pylon the engine basically fell off on takeoff
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and then there was a catastrophic crash. What happened there?
And why are people talking about that now?
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Well, it's really it's eerily similar, I have to say,
I think what's different? You know the one ninety one
You look at the engine and the engine attached to
the engine pot and the pilons, what's hanging underneath the
wing and that attaches the whole the pilon and the
engine attached to the wing. The pylon let go on
the AC ten crash American one ninety one, and the
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whole engine assembly flipped up and over the top of
the wing and it took out the which we call
the leading edge devices or the slats. And if you know,
when you're taxing out before takeoff, you see all flaps
extend away and the very front part of the wing,
that big section of the leading edge will extend forward.
And what it does is it it increases the surface
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area of the wing so it can fly at more
speeds that's needed for takeoff and landing. And once you
get up to speed, those things are tracked back into
the wing and make it smaller because you'll higher air speed.
But in that case, you know, the engine flipped over.
It took out the slats because it took out the
hydraulic lines that kept the slats the leading edge devices
in place, and so that wing stopped generating the same
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amount of lift as the right side. What compounded it
is on the engine failure takeoff, you have a speed
that you want to pitch the airplane to to guarantee
your climb rate. But unfortunately it was too slow for
the asymmetric lift. One wing greeting more lift than the other.
So the airplane rolled over. And that looks like if
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you look at some of the video on then MD eleven,
it looks very very similah.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Well, we will, of course keep track and let you know,
and we appreciate you calling. Talking to commercial pilot Paul Nelson,
a former DC ten engineer and now pilot on the
seven eight seven. Captain, thank you so much for being
with us.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Hope you're staying dry out there at a very wet
Monday evening. I'm Andy Reesmeyer coming up in the next hour.
I swear we'll get back on time. Just been fascinated
talking to a lot of interesting people, you know, But
we want to hear from you in the next hour.
Give us a call one eight hundred five to zero
one five three four. That's one eight hundred five to
two zero one KFI. We want to know if you
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have any fun stories about how you learned how to
drive a stick shift, if you can drive it, if
you never learned, if you taught somebody else to do it.
Got a lot of really good messages from KTLA viewers
this morning. I'll share some of those as well. Cannot wait.
It's gonna be real, real fun, And of course we're
going to get the latest on the storm. Looks like
(27:32):
we're gonna have some sprinkles at least all the way,
and I'm using that euphemistically. It is raining out there.
Rain started to taper off for the next hour or
so by the time we reached nine fifteen. Looks like
a lot of that precipitation that we saw falling here
in the San Fernando Valley in parts of West Los Angeles,
that'll all be moving to the north into the west.
So Antelope Valley got some flood and I'm sure I
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was coming over a Magnolia Boulevard and I was crossing
Laurel Canyon and there's cars like stuff in the flash floods.
Turn around, don't drown, That's what they always say. I
just drove through it anyway. But it wasn't that bad
for me. I got a seven inch lift kit on
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my Jetta. Those are rugged, the Jettas, aren't they. Oh yeah,
you know what that looks like. That looks like an
on time lease payment. A man in a Jetta looks
like an on time lease payment. Also really butcher, Yeah,
oh yeah, masculine. Yeah, I'm crossing the other side of
(28:39):
the street. If I see a dude parking over in
his jettah between that or a super ude, watch out.
Oh be careful, We've got so much coming up. Please
give us a call one hundred five to zero one
five three four. The lines are open one one hundred
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five to zero one KFI. You can also find us
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Speaker 2 (28:59):
Richie loves that.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Richie might actually prefer the iHeartRadio app talkback feature. You
just look for the little microphone next to the KFI
page and then you can leave a thirty second message
make it good and we'll play it on the
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Air KFI AM six forty on demand
You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I'm Andy Reesemy.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Are good evening on this Monday, November seventeenth, just past
seven o'clock. Lots coming up on tonight's show, Fully Caffeinated, Ready.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
To Go Baby.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
We're gonna, of course, be talking about the latest on
the storm man just snuck up on us here in
the San Fernando Valley. Plus, if you can drive a
stick shift car, you might be able to get paid
to teach someone else. How about that pay it forward.
Plus we are looking at the total financial cost of
the government shutdown. I know that's interesting to some people
(00:39):
who like math. And then later we talked to an
American airline or excuse me, I intertually don't know what
airline he flies for. I have to just say, I
don't know. He's a seven eighty seven pilot, and he's
a commercial pilot, and he's going to talk to us
about those DC tens that are now grounded along with
the MD eleven's that of course following that airplane crash
(00:59):
back and the beginning of last week the ups crash
and Loville. So we got lots to talk about. But
first I know that she's got to go to bed soon,
so we don't want to keep her waiting. We have
on the phone my sometimes friend and yours, Casey Montoya,
the weather extraordinaies is that?
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Is that fair?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Is that what you call yourself?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
That's exactly what I call myself. I call myself a
weather actress, a weather actress.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I was going to say, like extraordinaiis, which is also
a nonsense word. But you are I know you. You
are getting your meteorology degree. Are you a full meteorologist?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Now?
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Yeah, Andy, I just play one on TV.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
You know the kind of people who get to do
the weather at KTLA.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
All right, No, yeah, I did go to weather school, Andy,
and I have actually put you through weather school like KTLA.
I think you do a great job. I think you
have a lot of personality and you're smart and for
people listening, you're a very fast learner, like you pick
it up.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Thank you. Well.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
You know, the thing is that you are terrifying and
as a teacher, I feel like if I screw up,
you will kill me. And that just was not an
option for me in that afternoon. So tell me about
this storm. This is kind of surprising to me at
least just how heavy this is. This feels maybe even
heavier and longer period of rain than I saw on Saturday,
(02:21):
at least in the San Fernando Valley.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Yeah, we started to get these alerts from the National
Weather Service this afternoon, like in the one o'clock hour
that they were like, okay, this is what we're seeing
on our radars, and now we think we might see
more rainfall than what was previously predicted. Yeah, we thought
this was going to be, you know, a little bit weaker,
and it is a little bit weaker because it's colder
than the storm we saw on Saturday, which broke a
lot of records. But you know, honestly, I thought this
(02:45):
was going to start to move in and be really
heavy for us later this morning. And sometimes these just
stall out move slower than we think. So for everyone
calling and texting in the valley, like you Andy, saying
where did this come from? And when is it going
to stop? Yeah, I drove home through some of those
really really torrential downpours basically when the flash flood warnings
in effect. I think a lot of those just expired though.
(03:07):
In the seven o'clock hour.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Yeah, now, well, there's been an it's been extended now
until nine to nineteen. We actually just had that EMS
alert right before we came on the show here and
now if you're looking at any of the local broadcast stations,
you'll see that Emergency Alert System flash flood warning for
Los Angeles County now in effect until nine to nineteen pm.
And I'm looking at the radar here and I can
see that over the next hour or so that will
(03:29):
start to move out of the San Fernando Valley to
the north and to the west, which is good because
we've had some pretty steady rain for the last few hours.
But I was walking through the neighborhood when I was
going to the car, and I have never seen the
sidewalks flooded. I'm like walking through large puddles on the
sidewalk and it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
And we came over.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I came down the one thirty four over towards Bourbank
coming to the station here, and I could see as
the light was hitting the freeway that the water was
coming across the freeway like icing on a sheet cake,
and it was crazy.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Achnology is that it isn't The problem is that we
have had so much rain with two previous storm systems
that you know, a lot of times people don't understand,
like the ground is saturated, that water really has nowhere
to go, and so it's just pooling in the streets.
It's making for more dangerous conditions. Even if we weren't
going to get in as much rain today as we
got on Saturday, you know, the potential for those dangerous
conditions to legit exist just because of that ground. I mean,
(04:26):
it is soaked as far as it could get soaked.
And man, I'm telling you, Andy, that was a really
scary drive home and having those emergency alerts. I was
listening to Tim Conway. Having those emergency alerts added to
the terror.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
And we were also I think playing some of your
weather forecasts during Conway, which additionally adds to the terror.
I want to ask you something that whether people always
say that doesn't make any sense to me, is that
when people say, like, oh, an inch of rain is
actually means five feet of rain or whatever the hell
that you are always talking about.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
When you say that, how come that's so hard to understand.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
I don't think I've ever said that. I don't even
know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Maybe I said that.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
I mean, you did.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Say that, Andy, No, but it is something to take
very seriously because you see people driving.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
You know.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
It irked me so much tonight is that you know,
this speed limit is sixty and you know most of
us are going forty, but there's still people on their phones,
like in the middle of this dangerous weather. So you know, look,
most of these accidents like we can prevent And let
me be your public service announcement right now for those
driving in the car, Like you're doing something safe by
listening to the radio. But man, there is no text
(05:36):
that is important enough for you to look down at
your phone while you are driving in you know, a
flash flood.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Yeah, yeah, no, you're absolutely right. Okay, So you were
going going from the station in Hollywood. I won't say
your address, but you were going to Can you say
what part of the city you were driving to?
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Well, I don't live in La thank god, I moved
to the South Bay. Driving to the South.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Bay, Yeah, so through that stre it was pretty treacherous.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Oh yeah, and just down for is out of nowhere,
you know. Sometimes I grew up in Texas though, and
so let me just say as bad as this was,
today Texas has guys be here and so cal As
far as scary weather, well, yeah, that's the kind of
rain that you have to pull over because you just
literally can't your winchol wippers can't keep up with the
amount of rain.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Oh it's so funny.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
I haven't thought about that in a long time, because
you know, I grew up them Midwest and we had
the same kind of thing where it would rain and
then it would get so hard that your winchel wipers
couldn't keep up with it, and you would you'd pull over.
Mark Roner, our news anchor, is from Seattle, so or
lived in Seattle for a long time, so he absolutely
knows how this is. And then it sometimes it turns
into hale and then you think, yeah, is it You
(06:43):
know that moment where you're like, is it hale? Is
it becoming hale? Or is it just big droplets crazy stuff?
How long do you think that this is going to
keep going on? For people in La tonight.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Well, for people in Lace and I hopefully those showers
will taper off. That's at least what the radar are
showing us. And then for the Inland Empire Orange County
of course, because you guys got this later. It'll last
through the night, but we still have the chance of
seeing thunder storms overnight. And some of these rainfall rates.
You know, my computer at home doesn't load, you know,
as fast of data as it does at work. But
I was just looking at some of the rainfall rates
(07:15):
for like the last three hours, and some spots in
the valley have already gotten an inch of rain. I
was trying to find like the Yeah, there's a couple
that was a little over an inch, just under an inch,
significant rain, Yeah, just in the lot I put on
there in the last three hours, even a half an
inch for parts of LA at the airport, the last
three hours, it's like a zero point three to six.
(07:35):
So I mean, we're talking about significant rainfall again in
addition to what we just got, and then the one
before that, And now we have another storm all headed
our way Thursday into Friday. So after that though, at
least looking at the models right now, it looks like
we'll dry out, temperatures might be back to normal. But yeah,
it's for everyone who wants to go out and put
I put the Christmas lights up anyway in the rain,
(07:56):
you know, why not?
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Yeah, I mean, what do you have to live for?
Right in the rain gets struck by lightning?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Come on, Casey, no big deal.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Don't people break in the rain?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Okay? All right, well that's that's fine.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
What we do we go on TV and we say
don't do this, and then in our private lives we
do every our private live shot, we do everything we
told you not to.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
That's right. You never pack your patients, that's just all right.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Casey Montoya from kt LA, thank you so much for
being here. Appreciate you for calling in and keeping us safe,
keep us posted. Please text me if any developments occur
as far as me needing to leave the building here
in Burbank, I would appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
But that's gonna have to be before a thirty because
then I'm going to sleep. It's on you after that.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
There, she goes, Casey Montoya, you're listening.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
To KFI AM six forty on demand.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I me, Eddie Reesmeyer, thanks for being here this evening.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Good fine me on the internet at Andy, KTLA got
lots to talk about. Can you drive a stick shift car?
Was the question that we had this morning on the
KTLA More News. I put a call out to people
who are watching as I do every day, to interact,
send a note, talk back as they say, and it
was just what are you doing? Do you drive a
(09:12):
stick shift? Have you driven a stick shift? And do
you have a fun story about it? I got more
responses to that question than I've ever received from any
other thing that I've asked. I don't know why. I'll
get into a story, but later on we'll open up
the phone lines. You can give us a call and
tell us your stories, and I'll read some of the
other stories that weren't able to do on the air
(09:33):
this morning on KTLA. But I also want to make
sure that you're aware that the fifteenth annual CAFI Pastathon
is here. Give it up for Chef Bruno's charity, Katerina's Club.
Of course, they provide more than twenty five thousand meals
every week to kids in need in so cal Your
generosity makes all of this happen. We have a live
broadcast giving Tuesday, December second, from five am to eight
(09:57):
pm at the Anaheim White House. That's basically the entire day.
Don't quote me on the math. There more details on
that will be coming soon. But there are ways you
can start help or help. Starting today, you can donate
anytime at KFIAM six forty dot com slash Pastathon. You
can go to any Wendy's restaurant in southern California and
(10:18):
donate five dollars or more to Caterina's Club and get
a coupon book for Wendy's Goodies. Get out of tat
Wendy's Goodies. You can do that through twelve eight. Or
you could go to Yamavah Resort and Casino, get out
there play. When you cash your winning ticket at the kiosk,
it'll ask you if.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
You want to donate your change.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
You can say yes, pick Katerina's Club from the four
options on the screen. That's that's actually great. I finally
have an excuse to go gamble, and it's for a
good cause.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
True.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
I'm always giving my money away when I'm gambling, but
at least now it's going to charity. We've also got
some upcoming live broadcasts that will be fun about the
Pastathon experience. Friday, the twenty five first Conway will be
live at Smart and Final in your Belinda that's right
off the ninety one Freeway. From four to eight pm,
you can shop for Thanksgiving, you could donate to the
(11:10):
pasta Thon experience in store. See mister Conway, I call
him mister Conway. He does not like that, he referred.
He wants him to be You' like, please just stop
calling me mister Conway. Just call me Tim. I'm like, yes, sir,
mister Conway. I'm so sorry, he said, stop, just it's
too weird. Then Saturday eleven twenty two, Nil Savedra will
(11:31):
be broadcasting live between two and five PM at Wendy's
in Mission via Ho. That's on Alicia Parkway. So very
fun stuff there. Pasta Thon Kay if I am six
forty dot com slash pasta Thon.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Past ten thion p A S t A t A
Joe N. You're gonna go, Ronner. I will be here
doing the news.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I'm gonna head on down I think for Gary and
Shannon's show after the morning show. So I will be
there during the morning of December second, sometime after eleven am.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
But you try the food there. The food is really good.
What do they have? What did I have? I can't
remember what I had? Do they have any is there?
Is it? Is it pasta? They? Well, it's a it's
a big restaurant, so they have a big menu.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Let's look at the menu at the Catarina's Club. We'll
do that maybe in a later how about that, because
I do want to get to this other story before
we get out of here.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Do it. And now I said that I lost I
lost my script. Okay, you can blame me? Can you?
Speaker 3 (12:27):
You have any got any updates for us as far
as just like your life, any move?
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Oh did you see Frankenstein?
Speaker 6 (12:32):
I did see Frankenstein. Giermo del Toros Frankenstein. Have you
seen it as well?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I saw it last night. Yeah, I tell me what
you thought.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
I okay, I'm gonna preface this by saying I am
an unreliable source because I like everything.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
There were times where I kind of was like this
dragon a little bit, but I thought it was a
cool movie with a really nice message, and I loved
the production design.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
It was so yikky.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
I had to look away multiple times because I'm a
little squirmy boy.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Amputations are rough. Wow, there's just it's so unexpected. But
you're saying the movie convinced you not to play god?
Is that it?
Speaker 3 (13:07):
I thought that was you know, it's funny because I
think that I know that that's a big theme of
the film, Yes, but also the idea of forgiveness and
the idea of okay.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
And you know, spoiler alert sorry here.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Oh if you take away someone's ability to die, which
what could be worse? Really, at the end of the day,
at least as far as the thesis of the movie goes,
could you ever be forgiven for that? A fascinating study.
Production design was cool. Seems like maybe he watched a
couple of Yorgo's laugh most movies. A lot of wide
angled shots, a lot of sort of a mysterious production design,
(13:44):
I don't know, sort of a surrealist probably is the
word I was looking for.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
Well, it was beautiful. It was production designed to within
an inch of its life. Oh yeah, but I agree
with you that it did dragon spots. It was very,
very long, very sincere, and for a Frankenstein movie.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
It wasn't a horror film.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
No.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
It was really sweet and kind of nice.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
And it's funny because a lot of the sort of
heady movies I feel like that you go to see
in the theater. I first came up with this thesis
when I went and saw The Lighthouse, remember that dreadful film.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Yeah, I didn't like the Lighthouse.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
My god, there was this whole thing that happening in movies,
and I think it still persists, which is like a
movie for it to be good, and an Oscar contender
must make you feel like absolute garbage when you leave.
Speaker 6 (14:23):
It was very touching the Frankenstein movie. But I'll tell
you all that made me want to do was go
and watch the eighty two minute Curse of Frankenstein for
Hammer from the fifties, which really moved along, and I
just thought it was more fun. I mean, this thing
seemed and I've read the book, of course, but this
thing seemed so and slave to the book, like the
(14:44):
book's been around for a really long time. You got
to throw me a new wrinkle. Look, oh that's interesting.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
So I have not read the book because, as you know,
I'm illiterate, So for me, it was at least new content,
which I thought was kind of fascinating.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Well, radio is for the illiterate. Don't let that. Don't
let that. This is why I always have in trouble,
all right, So I'll tell you what. Here's the story.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
There is an app kind of like the uber for
learning how to drive stick shift. If you can't drive
stick shift, you can go on the app across the
country more than one hundred metro areas and link up
with somebody for a couple hundred dollars who will let
you use their car and teach you how to drive
a five speed or six speed.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
You have to put down a deposit in case you
ruin their transmission. You know, I would.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
I cannot imagine wanting to do this, but I guess
there's some very trusting people out there. So it's called the.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
What is it called? It is called the stick Shift
Driving Academy.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Connect to people with manual transmission cars and people who
want to learn how to drive them. It's a really
beautiful story. It gives you a better hand eye coordination.
If you've never driven a stick shift before, I highly
recommend it. It's a mouthful. Just call it stick school
and be done with it. Ooh, stick School, No trouble,
there no issues with that branding whatsoever.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
No.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
But what we're gonna do is we'll do this after
we have our our I think, Richie, is it possible
for us to have a guest and also open the
phone lines to call.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Do we have the technology? Yes? All right, so here's
what we're gonna do.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
And you're gonna have to wait on hold maybe for
fifteen minutes, so maybe call in ten minutes.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
This is already so terrible.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
I want to know if you can drive a stick
shift and what your stick drift stick shift driving story is.
The number is eight hundred five to zero one five
three four. That's one eight hundred five two zero one
KFI and we'll take your calls starting at seven forty five.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
How about that? Do we have a deal? Who could resist? Richie?
We have a deal?
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Solid you're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand. B.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I'm Andy Reesemeyer. If you'd like to reach me at Andy.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
KTLA is the best way, at least if you're using
the Internet. You could find that anywhere Internet is sold
on x Instagram. Instagram is usually the place where I
am the most active. I do the most scrolling.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
There. Not a TikTok guy, But I know.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
The thing that is great about social media, which is
also its ills, is that it will just if you
do it right, if you curated it correctly, it will
give you everything you ever wanted to see. I mean, sure,
it makes you feel empty. Most of it's AI slop, Yeah,
but I find it to be pretty effective for at
least finding stories.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
To talk about for the news.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
But I will say I did a thing a couple
weeks ago that we talked about where I went to
a flight simulator and I learned how to land an airplane,
or at least I saw if I could land a
seven thirty seven in the case of an emergency. Right,
we've all had, or at least some of us have
had the fantasy of Okay, the pilot eight, the fish,
the co pilot eight, the fish. Can you land a
plane just with the help of air traffic control? And
(17:55):
I would say I did pretty well in the segment.
But ever since then I have just been receiving non
stop emergency airplane videos like this situation happened, this simulator failed,
this pilot landing that got out of control, and what
this led to catastrophe. It was made worse by the
(18:18):
news of the last few weeks, which we've been following closely,
which was that tragic crash of a ups MD eleven
which crashed right after takeoff.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
In Louisville.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
I think we've all been sort of inundated by the stories,
just thinking about how did this happen? Hope it doesn't
happen again. Just feel terrible for the people on the ground,
people on the aircraft, all of it. So we have
a lot of questions about air travel, especially with the
wake of the shutdowns and how that screwed everybody up,
and especially coming into the holiday season. So I figured
(18:52):
we would go straight to the source. Joining us on
the phone is a seven eighty seven pilot, former and
engineer on the DC ten, a current commercial pilot, Paul Nelson.
Captain Paul Nelson. Good to have you here on KFI
this evening. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
Oh, thank you, Andy. How are you.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
I'm so I'm so well and I'm glad that you're
here to sort of walk us through what's going on here.
I want to go back to that conversation that we
were having about the terrible crash that we saw a
week and a half ago. There, of course was an
MD eleven who saw it take off. You flew on
the DC ten back in the day. The MD eleven
(19:32):
is basically a bigger version of that. It's been a
while since either plane has carried passengers, mostly now used
for cargo. But before we sort of get into any
kind of conversation about what the future of the plane
looks like in service, what was it like to be
on that plane and to operate that aircraft.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
The DC ken, I mean, they really called it a
gentleman's aircraft, and most of the guys that I worked
with on that were there's they're very close to retirement,
and I was lucky enough to make numerous trips to
Hawaii in it. It was great jet, great big roomy
cock fits, very comfortable. I think the passenger liked it
(20:14):
because I had very large overhead bin space and a
lot of room in the galleries for the play at
ten for works. So it was really really a neat airplane.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
One of the things that was coming out after the
investigation started here with this this ups crash is that
the MD eleven's are all grounded, and then they've also
gone back and grounded a lot of the DC tens.
And I know that the MD eleven, you know, like
I said, it is a lengthened version. It's a little
more modern version of the DC ten. The DC ten
was really had a lot of controversy, at least from
(20:45):
the media's perspective after some some pretty I guess, devastating crashes.
When we talk about the MD eleven, I've heard it
was like kind of a sensitive jet to fly.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
Yeah, yeah, have some some some design changes in it,
and and one of the I think when they developed it,
one of the biggest things was the fuel efficiency. And
and generally speaking, an aircraft is more efficient when it
has the center gravity shifted more towards the tail, so
the tail is involved with more so if the overall
(21:20):
total lift generated by the wings and the The NB
eleven had a unique system where it had a in
the horizontal stabilizer back in the tail, had a fuel
tank and fuel automatically during crews get shifted to the
tail and and put more weight back there. And in
an attempt to make it really meet all the fuel
(21:43):
burned numbers that that they had had promised the developers.
One of the other things that's probably notable on top
of that from the ten to the eleven is that
the empanage all the the the tail feathers that if
you will, the horizontal and vertical stab were smaller than
the d C ten, so you had less surface area
(22:05):
to to make picks changes, et cetera, and move the
rudder compared to the d C ten, And then you know,
you add that it's a longer airplane by about twenty
feet than some of the leverage arms are different, having
the fuel shifting around to the CG, the center gravity
shifting around. Yeah, it is that. It was kind of
(22:26):
innovative in its time. The question is whether it was
on an automatic system. The question is whether it worked properly.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
You know, if you look at at the there's a
lot of landing accidents with the MD eleven and they know,
you know that in crosswinds apparently, I guess it was
a little bit of a handful, but I think probably
because I didn't really know where the CG was at
any one time. It was supposed to have shifted everything
out of the tail, you know, on the descent and landing,
(22:59):
But whether that actually occurred or not, I don't think
there's any way of telling.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Yeah, well, yeah, absolutely So we're speaking with commercial pilot
Paul Nelson, who is a seven eighty seven pilot formerly
an engineer on the DC ten. DC ten was a
member of category of wide body aircraft called tr jets,
where there were literally three jets. You had the DC ten,
the L ten eleven made by Lockheed. Of course here
in Burbank. That's exciting. Or I guess up in Palmdale
(23:23):
is actually where they built it, but Lockheed was in Burbank.
And then the MD eleven and I guess it's not
a wide body jet, but the seven twenty seven. You know,
we used to see these try jets all the time,
but not anymore. What really sort of made that airframe
kind of fall out of favor?
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Well, really, I think it was development of the two
engine airplanes that were allowed to actually fly long over
water stretches, all using extended twin engine operations. And you know,
when I was flying three engine jets Hawaii, that was
replaced by a seven to sixty seven and seven fifty
seven two engines, and you know, at first we're really
(24:04):
kind of concerned about it, but once we started buying
it and the capability of the airplane was incredible. Yeah,
you can carry way more cargo and do it two
engine fuel burn versus three engine fuel burn. Right, you
can do the math that you just reduce your fuel
burn costs by about a third pretty simply.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
So I want to ask about this ups plane. You know,
lots of theories, but obviously we're not going to speculate.
The NTSP is investigating. They'll have a formal investigation here.
But a lot of people are comparing it to a
DC ten crash from the late nineteen seventies. I think
it was nineteen seventy nine American Airlines flight one ninety one,
where a pylon the engine basically fell off on takeoff
(24:44):
and then there was a catastrophic crash. What happened there?
And why are people talking about that now?
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Well, it's really it's eerily similar, I have to say,
I think what's different? You know the one ninety one
You look at the engine and the engine attached to
the engine pot and the pilons, what's hanging underneath the
wing and that attaches the whole the pilon and the
engine attached to the wing. The pylon let go on
the AC ten crash American one ninety one, and the
(25:13):
whole engine assembly flipped up and over the top of
the wing and it took out the which we call
the leading edge devices or the slats. And if you know,
when you're taxing out before takeoff, you see all flaps
extend away and the very front part of the wing,
that big section of the leading edge will extend forward.
And what it does is it it increases the surface
(25:34):
area of the wing so it can fly at more
speeds that's needed for takeoff and landing. And once you
get up to speed, those things are tracked back into
the wing and make it smaller because you'll higher air speed.
But in that case, you know, the engine flipped over.
It took out the slats because it took out the
hydraulic lines that kept the slats the leading edge devices
in place, and so that wing stopped generating the same
(25:58):
amount of lift as the right side. What compounded it
is on the engine failure takeoff, you have a speed
that you want to pitch the airplane to to guarantee
your climb rate. But unfortunately it was too slow for
the asymmetric lift. One wing greeting more lift than the other.
So the airplane rolled over. And that looks like if
(26:20):
you look at some of the video on then MD eleven,
it looks very very similah.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Well, we will, of course keep track and let you know,
and we appreciate you calling. Talking to commercial pilot Paul Nelson,
a former DC ten engineer and now pilot on the
seven eight seven. Captain, thank you so much for being
with us.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Hope you're staying dry out there at a very wet
Monday evening. I'm Andy Reesmeyer coming up in the next hour.
I swear we'll get back on time. Just been fascinated
talking to a lot of interesting people, you know, But
we want to hear from you in the next hour.
Give us a call one eight hundred five to zero
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(27:11):
have any fun stories about how you learned how to
drive a stick shift, if you can drive it, if
you never learned, if you taught somebody else to do it.
Got a lot of really good messages from KTLA viewers
this morning. I'll share some of those as well. Cannot wait.
It's gonna be real, real fun, And of course we're
going to get the latest on the storm. Looks like
(27:32):
we're gonna have some sprinkles at least all the way,
and I'm using that euphemistically. It is raining out there.
Rain started to taper off for the next hour or
so by the time we reached nine fifteen. Looks like
a lot of that precipitation that we saw falling here
in the San Fernando Valley in parts of West Los Angeles,
that'll all be moving to the north into the west.
So Antelope Valley got some flood and I'm sure I
(27:55):
was coming over a Magnolia Boulevard and I was crossing
Laurel Canyon and there's cars like stuff in the flash floods.
Turn around, don't drown, That's what they always say. I
just drove through it anyway. But it wasn't that bad
for me. I got a seven inch lift kit on
(28:18):
my Jetta. Those are rugged, the Jettas, aren't they. Oh yeah,
you know what that looks like. That looks like an
on time lease payment. A man in a Jetta looks
like an on time lease payment. Also really butcher, Yeah,
oh yeah, masculine. Yeah, I'm crossing the other side of
(28:39):
the street. If I see a dude parking over in
his jettah between that or a super ude, watch out.
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