May 30, 2025 • 10 mins
IT’S FOODIE FRIDAY! Food enthusiast and host of ‘The Fork Report’ on KFI Neil Saavedra joins Bill to talk the legality of copying product packaging, the best way to make frozen fries at home, and Altadena restaurants are slowly opening back up.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, let's get into foody Friday. Neil still talk
about them things food The best way to make frozen
fries at home? I make frozen fries at home, and
why don't you say the best way? And then I
will come in and go, mmm, no, this is the
way I do it, or yes, that's exactly the way
I do it.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
So four chefs were asked by allrecipes dot com to
the best tip for making frozen fries at home, and
that means cooking them. Freezing fries is easy, it's the
actual cooking part that's difficult.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
AnyWho.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
They said, if you want them to taste like a restaurant,
the key is to use an air fryer, and I
couldn't agree more.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
It is the best way. It circulates the air.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
You get the crispiness on the outside, that pillowy white
goodness on the inside. And it just confirms what everybody
with an air fryer knows. Actually, an air fry is
one of the best ways to eat up.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Any frozen food.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
So if you're doing appetizers anything like that from frozen,
it is the best way by far.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Now, how do you do it? Bill?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Air fried? There you go However, I don't cook them
from scratch.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
What I do I have a bag of seasoned fries
that have already been cooked.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Well, that's what this is about. This is frozen fries.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Frozen already already cooked fries, as opposed to yeah yeah,
and then I cooked.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
It's yeah. It's not quite the same as oil. I mean,
it is not McDonald's.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
It is not as.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Close as you're gonna get.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I will tell you this that when I make fries
from scratch at home, I actually have in my kitchen
bolted to a wall.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
A French fry maker, like you see it in and out.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
You put the potato in there, you bring it down
and it cuts it into different sized fries. But the
method I use is to parboil them with some vinegar,
some acid that keeps some blow they never get burned,
changes the sugar content, and then I freeze them. Anyways,
because French fry, really great, French fries have to be
(02:11):
hit in the oil twice. They need to be frozen
and then pulled out and hit the oil again to
make them the best fries you've ever had.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
So so I don't even think fresh fries are that great.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Oh interesting, so you don't. You don't put them in
a deep fryer. Do you even have a deep frier
at home?
Speaker 4 (02:29):
I do.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
I have a couple of them.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Not only do I have a portable one, but my
outdoor kitchen has a deep fryer.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
And do you use it very often?
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Never use the one outdoors? Nice?
Speaker 4 (02:41):
So you have a portable one, Neil.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Neil and I are going to do a broadcast and
we haven't decided on a date yet at my house broadcast. Yeah,
we're gonna do a green, big green Egg broadcast and
a grill. We're gonna simply and and this is just
because I want to cook and have great chefs and
great food. So it's excuse is to do it in
a broadcast of some kind and for you.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
To become a big Green Egg grill masker.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yeah, and I want you and I want you to
bring a portable If you can bring your portable deep fryer,
we'll do something deep fried.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I need to do that. You can deep fry on
a grill. You just have to do it responsibly.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Ooh like fried chicken. I love fried chicken. It's one
of my absolute favorite things in this world. Okay, well
we said, we have to talk Neil, the legality of
copying product packaging. Now we've had some fun stories and
talked about, for example, the restaurants. It was one restaurant
that opened up, a Hamburger place that was the Mcdoggle
(03:47):
Hamburgers if I remember correct, Yeah, I remember correctly, with
two golden arches, and they go, no, no, it's a
separate company. But copying product packaging like Oreo cookies and
you have a.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
It looks exactly the same. This is my curiosity and
my question for you. You know, I have done some stuff
with you when it comes to copyright and understanding those
and as a designer you have to understand those things.
But they often packaging gets as close as they can,
or if you go to other countries, it's hilarious how
they try and do something like in and out. I
(04:24):
think in Mexico there was one and they got popped
because they try to do an in and out look
burger look. But this is interesting, so Mandolez, I think,
is the name suz Aldi over private label packaging that
they have under the name Benton's that really blatantly copies
(04:44):
Oreos chips ahoy instead of wheat thins, it's thin wheat,
the same coloring in the packaging nutter butter. I mean,
if you took a glance at these, I sent you
some pictures. If you took a glance at these really quickly,
you'd think they were nutter butter or ore are. How
(05:06):
what kind of protection do you have against packaging?
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Okay, so let's say you and I came up with
chips annoy because of what we do to people on
a regular basis. If it looks like the whole issue,
can it be confused? That's where it's at.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Can totally?
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Totally? Can it be confused?
Speaker 1 (05:29):
And it depends on the judge as to how close
you are going to get, and the.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
More the closer you are.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
For example, a name that is close to chips annoy,
which happens to be this chocolate cookie and has cream inside,
and it has a blue packaging and it says chips
annoy in the same font and the same size sideways,
(05:58):
that's a problem. But if it's a totally different product,
for example, if it is something that can be argued
it's not the same, or even if it is the same,
if it can't be argued, people are not going to
confuse this. My favorite one was if you remember Hagen
(06:20):
Hagana is still around, but there was a company that
was a knockoff frozen Fruzen Gladjay.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Remember that, Yeah, that was a company. Let me sneeze,
hold on?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Ah okay, oh god, what a mess?
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Do I have a tissue here someplace? Anyway?
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Yeah, you don't want to ever use this mic sock again.
Let me tell you.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Uh So there was a company, well haganas Fruit, a
file lawsuit against this Fruzen glad Jay company. And because
sweetest sounding high premium I ice cream sort of kind
of look the same same category, and so they sued saying,
(07:03):
you confuse, we're confusing the name, and therefore Fruisen Gladjay
can has to change its name. And effectively, what the
judge said was, hang on a minute. You've got one
company with a made up sweetish name suing another company
with a made up sweetish name that sounds different.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Get out. I'm not hearing this case.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
And the frusm Gladja turned out to go out of business.
But again the argument is how how can you how
closely can you be confused?
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Because that's the whole issue. You're confusing me with someone else.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yeah, I try to get close to Coca Cola is God,
God bless you.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
That's gonna get that's not gonna get your name.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Once you pick these packages up, they are named something different.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
But yes, the color, ski everything size.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah, that's that's too much, and that is and the
name is similar. No, but you said the name is
totally different. Is Benson names are.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Names are more literal.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Instead of Oreo, this one is called original cookie or
original chocolate.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
All right, So then that argument means you can't confuse
the two. But then if I'm Oreo and I think
Nabiscos that who makes Oreo, I have no idea.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Is they're gonna say larger company.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Yeah, they're gonna simply say, hey, someone just grabs it
and throws it in their shopping cart and knowing you
don't pay attention to it, which is the case. I
certainly do that, And so they're going to say that
is an interference with our product, and there's confusion.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
There.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Couldn't aldi say, we don't have any name brands in
our store, So why would people confuse because they don't.
I think it's all like other products and stuff. I
don't think you can go in and buy Nabisco in
an Aldi.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
I don't know. It could be. It depends on the store.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Trader Joe's, for example, you would think someone would market
Trader Jose. Well, they've already grabbed that name because they're
trader every name in the world, unless it's how about
this one trader Benedict Arnold.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
With spell t R A D E R.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Gotcha trader, quizzling trader.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Yeah you got it?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, I put that together. I'm slow,
but I eventually get there.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
All right, all right, tomorrow morning or tomorrow afternoon, two
to five The Fok Report with Neil following Rich the
Muraw with the Tech Show eleven to two, following My
Show from eight to eleven, Handle on the Law, following
Dean Sharp with the House Whisper Show from six to eight.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
That so start listening at six am.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
What home home?
Speaker 4 (09:54):
But he's a house
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Whisper, so you know it's all basically it's the same house,
yes for you, Alright,
All right, let's get into foody Friday. Neil still talk
about them things food The best way to make frozen
fries at home? I make frozen fries at home, and
why don't you say the best way? And then I
will come in and go, mmm, no, this is the
way I do it, or yes, that's exactly the way
I do it.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
So four chefs were asked by allrecipes dot com to
the best tip for making frozen fries at home, and
that means cooking them. Freezing fries is easy, it's the
actual cooking part that's difficult.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
AnyWho.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
They said, if you want them to taste like a restaurant,
the key is to use an air fryer, and I
couldn't agree more.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
It is the best way. It circulates the air.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
You get the crispiness on the outside, that pillowy white
goodness on the inside. And it just confirms what everybody
with an air fryer knows. Actually, an air fry is
one of the best ways to eat up.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Any frozen food.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
So if you're doing appetizers anything like that from frozen,
it is the best way by far.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Now, how do you do it? Bill?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Air fried? There you go However, I don't cook them
from scratch.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
What I do I have a bag of seasoned fries
that have already been cooked.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Well, that's what this is about. This is frozen fries.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Frozen already already cooked fries, as opposed to yeah yeah,
and then I cooked.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
It's yeah. It's not quite the same as oil. I mean,
it is not McDonald's.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
It is not as.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Close as you're gonna get.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I will tell you this that when I make fries
from scratch at home, I actually have in my kitchen
bolted to a wall.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
A French fry maker, like you see it in and out.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
You put the potato in there, you bring it down
and it cuts it into different sized fries. But the
method I use is to parboil them with some vinegar,
some acid that keeps some blow they never get burned,
changes the sugar content, and then I freeze them. Anyways,
because French fry, really great, French fries have to be
(02:11):
hit in the oil twice. They need to be frozen
and then pulled out and hit the oil again to
make them the best fries you've ever had.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
So so I don't even think fresh fries are that great.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Oh interesting, so you don't. You don't put them in
a deep fryer. Do you even have a deep frier
at home?
Speaker 4 (02:29):
I do.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
I have a couple of them.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Not only do I have a portable one, but my
outdoor kitchen has a deep fryer.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
And do you use it very often?
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Never use the one outdoors? Nice?
Speaker 4 (02:41):
So you have a portable one, Neil.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Neil and I are going to do a broadcast and
we haven't decided on a date yet at my house broadcast. Yeah,
we're gonna do a green, big green Egg broadcast and
a grill. We're gonna simply and and this is just
because I want to cook and have great chefs and
great food. So it's excuse is to do it in
a broadcast of some kind and for you.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
To become a big Green Egg grill masker.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yeah, and I want you and I want you to
bring a portable If you can bring your portable deep fryer,
we'll do something deep fried.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I need to do that. You can deep fry on
a grill. You just have to do it responsibly.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Ooh like fried chicken. I love fried chicken. It's one
of my absolute favorite things in this world. Okay, well
we said, we have to talk Neil, the legality of
copying product packaging. Now we've had some fun stories and
talked about, for example, the restaurants. It was one restaurant
that opened up, a Hamburger place that was the Mcdoggle
(03:47):
Hamburgers if I remember correct, Yeah, I remember correctly, with
two golden arches, and they go, no, no, it's a
separate company. But copying product packaging like Oreo cookies and
you have a.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
It looks exactly the same. This is my curiosity and
my question for you. You know, I have done some stuff
with you when it comes to copyright and understanding those
and as a designer you have to understand those things.
But they often packaging gets as close as they can,
or if you go to other countries, it's hilarious how
they try and do something like in and out. I
(04:24):
think in Mexico there was one and they got popped
because they try to do an in and out look
burger look. But this is interesting, so Mandolez, I think,
is the name suz Aldi over private label packaging that
they have under the name Benton's that really blatantly copies
(04:44):
Oreos chips ahoy instead of wheat thins, it's thin wheat,
the same coloring in the packaging nutter butter. I mean,
if you took a glance at these, I sent you
some pictures. If you took a glance at these really quickly,
you'd think they were nutter butter or ore are. How
(05:06):
what kind of protection do you have against packaging?
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Okay, so let's say you and I came up with
chips annoy because of what we do to people on
a regular basis. If it looks like the whole issue,
can it be confused? That's where it's at.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Can totally?
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Totally? Can it be confused?
Speaker 1 (05:29):
And it depends on the judge as to how close
you are going to get, and the.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
More the closer you are.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
For example, a name that is close to chips annoy,
which happens to be this chocolate cookie and has cream inside,
and it has a blue packaging and it says chips
annoy in the same font and the same size sideways,
(05:58):
that's a problem. But if it's a totally different product,
for example, if it is something that can be argued
it's not the same, or even if it is the same,
if it can't be argued, people are not going to
confuse this. My favorite one was if you remember Hagen
(06:20):
Hagana is still around, but there was a company that
was a knockoff frozen Fruzen Gladjay.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Remember that, Yeah, that was a company. Let me sneeze,
hold on?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Ah okay, oh god, what a mess?
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Do I have a tissue here someplace? Anyway?
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Yeah, you don't want to ever use this mic sock again.
Let me tell you.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Uh So there was a company, well haganas Fruit, a
file lawsuit against this Fruzen glad Jay company. And because
sweetest sounding high premium I ice cream sort of kind
of look the same same category, and so they sued saying,
(07:03):
you confuse, we're confusing the name, and therefore Fruisen Gladjay
can has to change its name. And effectively, what the
judge said was, hang on a minute. You've got one
company with a made up sweetish name suing another company
with a made up sweetish name that sounds different.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Get out. I'm not hearing this case.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
And the frusm Gladja turned out to go out of business.
But again the argument is how how can you how
closely can you be confused?
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Because that's the whole issue. You're confusing me with someone else.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yeah, I try to get close to Coca Cola is God,
God bless you.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
That's gonna get that's not gonna get your name.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Once you pick these packages up, they are named something different.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
But yes, the color, ski everything size.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah, that's that's too much, and that is and the
name is similar. No, but you said the name is
totally different. Is Benson names are.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Names are more literal.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Instead of Oreo, this one is called original cookie or
original chocolate.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
All right, So then that argument means you can't confuse
the two. But then if I'm Oreo and I think
Nabiscos that who makes Oreo, I have no idea.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Is they're gonna say larger company.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Yeah, they're gonna simply say, hey, someone just grabs it
and throws it in their shopping cart and knowing you
don't pay attention to it, which is the case. I
certainly do that, And so they're going to say that
is an interference with our product, and there's confusion.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
There.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Couldn't aldi say, we don't have any name brands in
our store, So why would people confuse because they don't.
I think it's all like other products and stuff. I
don't think you can go in and buy Nabisco in
an Aldi.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
I don't know. It could be. It depends on the store.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Trader Joe's, for example, you would think someone would market
Trader Jose. Well, they've already grabbed that name because they're
trader every name in the world, unless it's how about
this one trader Benedict Arnold.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
With spell t R A D E R.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Gotcha trader, quizzling trader.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Yeah you got it?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, I put that together. I'm slow,
but I eventually get there.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
All right, all right, tomorrow morning or tomorrow afternoon, two
to five The Fok Report with Neil following Rich the
Muraw with the Tech Show eleven to two, following My
Show from eight to eleven, Handle on the Law, following
Dean Sharp with the House Whisper Show from six to eight.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
That so start listening at six am.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
What home home?
Speaker 4 (09:54):
But he's a house
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Whisper, so you know it's all basically it's the same house,
yes for you, Alright,
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