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May 7, 2025 • 11 mins
Gary and Shannon bring in their friend, Justin Worsham, to talk 2.1 kids per woman might not be enough for population survival, new research reveals / What is the 7-7-7 rule of effective parenting?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
But Justin Worsham has joined us. We talk about parenting things.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Human populations need two point seven children per woman, yep
to reliably avoid extinction.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
So we're gonna need you to pull your weight, Shannon.
We need you to get it together. Tony Helper, Tony. Yeah,
they they're talking about that.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
If we don't maintain an average birth rate per woman
on the planet of two point seven children, then uh,
then they're in the long term that could leave to
an extinction of the species. In the more short term,
what they're seeing a lot of is that family lines,
which I love that they put it on like we're
all royalty, like we care.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
You know, yeah, anybody here like I am.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
I listen. I love my father, my grandfather, love all
of them. But if I was the.

Speaker 4 (00:55):
End of the worship, do not need this line to continue?

Speaker 1 (00:58):
I'll tell you that.

Speaker 4 (00:59):
Just continue this.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
We're bringing what do we bring it to the genetic
pool realistically? I mean, I know I'm a good time,
but I'm bringing a lot of high cholesterol, a lot
of diabetes.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
I got near sighted, a stigmatism. The preacher Gray like,
we don't need that in the gene pool. And you're
the sperm that won. I was one on the top.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
Of the line as far as my father was bringing
to the table back in nineteen seventy eight.

Speaker 5 (01:21):
Garry said that to me recently and it was eye opening.
He's like, well, you at least one one race, And
I was like, oh, my god, is it?

Speaker 3 (01:31):
The first race came in first, and then it's just
a series of seconds and fourth after that.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
God. The other thing that I.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Thought was interesting is that they what do they say,
more so already we have more females than males and
they believe they're not good. Yeah, they've known for a
long time that they think that that is supposed to
account for just unknown things, that having more women on
the planet leads to obviously more people being made right,
and so that there's some kind of evolutionary trend that

(01:59):
does that. I also started looking at just kind of
other data that I thought was interesting about birth rates,
and it said trends in completed family size vary slightly
by educational tainments. So this is from a study in
twenty twenty two that found that in nineteen eighty, women
aged forty to forty four with a bachelor's degree or
more had the lowest birth rate at two point two children,

(02:21):
and women with a high school degree or less had
the highest at three point one to nine children, and
that the same order persisted in twenty twenty two with
a narrow range. So in twenty twenty two, women with
a bachelor's degree had one point seven children, and high
school degree or less have two point one point four, which,
with all due respect to anybody, I have some college

(02:43):
I put on my application, so I would lump myself
into this. This seems to be we are trending towards
an idiocracy type situation where their whole premise of that
movie was that people who should not be having children
were the ones were having more children.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
Was such a prescient film? Was it two thousand and five?

Speaker 1 (02:59):
I don't remember, to be honest.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
Macau and Hong Kong have the lowest fertility rates as
of this year in world, at point sixty nine and
point seventy four, respectfully, and Chad, which is a country
in northern Central Africa, has the highest at five point
nine four children per woman.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
WHOA, yeah, they average six kids per wow. Yeah. Somalia
is at five point nine to one.

Speaker 5 (03:23):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Well, how many people do you know.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
That are like I'm not, I mean other than Chanlan, like,
do you feel like I feel like there's more people
that are not having kids.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
I have more friends now that aren't having kids.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Well, and here's the thing. My kids have said they
don't know about having kids, yeah, which is like, well,
I thought you guys were kind of fun, Like I
had a fun time. Why would you not want to
have kids.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
That's a lot of pressure, like to put on yourself
to think that you made me turn them off?

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Like I saw what it did to you guys.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
Think there's a lot of I don't want to money.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Uh, it's environment, environment.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
It's it's bringing the kids into what world or the
whole bit.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
And I don't and I don't ever remember. I don't
remember having those thoughts in my head about it now.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
I don't know. I don't. I mean, I don't know
why grant different world different times.

Speaker 5 (04:12):
I feel like the Internet ruined all of that because
it opened our eyes to so much more, so much
more period to be afraid of, to be afraid of.
And it's just overwhelming, really, is what it is. It
was so much simpler when it was just your family
and your friends and that was the unit, and people
had kids and that was it, and your purview was

(04:34):
your world around you really, and then you go to college,
you meet some new people and then their their world
opened you up to their world. Now the whole world
is right in your pocket and it's overwhelming.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Well, if you do plan to have kids, we have
a new rule of effective parenting in this seven seven
seven rules.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
I like this, but it's exciting.

Speaker 5 (04:52):
I feel like it's also common sense. Okay, how happy
summer is making me? Right?

Speaker 1 (04:59):
It's not so?

Speaker 4 (05:00):
Yeah, it's beautiful, feels like summer because you've had a
week and a half of just glorious.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
Do you like? Get her out of a box?

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Like she's acting like she didn't see before ten am today,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
It was all overcast a cloudy like it's been.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
The past few days. It was, But I mean she
is very excited now, look at her face.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
I continue to talk about it, she's not.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
She can't hear us tending just to my left, Gary
and Shannon kf I AM twenty Live Everywhere on the
iHeartRadio app.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Justin Warsham has joined us.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
When we're talking parenting, the seven seven seven rule of
effective parenting.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
Now, I did a parenting podcast for probably what I
want to say, at least seven years, somewhere in.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
That range, maybe longer. Actually might have been ten. And
I've never come.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
Across this rule, but it definitely parallels a lot of
the advice I would get from like child development specialists
and pediatricians, people that I talked to on the show
just parenting, you know, authors, and so it is a
seven to seven seven rules, so it breaks down the
different kind of generations of a childhood. So the first
zero to seven years, the focus as a parent is

(06:05):
on play, so your kids learn through having fun activities
and interaction. And then from seven to fourteen is where
it's more about teaching them lessons, So your interactions become
more like coaching, and a lot of you know, can
the way they I want to say lecture, but I'm
sure that's not what kids want to hear, but I
definitely know that's what I'm guilty of. And then from

(06:27):
fourteen to twenty one, it becomes guiding where it's like
and that's I feel like, even though my younger one
is he'll be fourteen in the next month, but I've
seen that transition where it's like when they become teenagers,
you have to start, and it's hard, but you have
to start letting them do their own thing and kind
of fail while they still have the safety net of
home and hopefully you can just you point them. I
spend a lot of time going this is the direction

(06:48):
I would go if I was you and your brain
is telling you not to listen to.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
And you want to go one n y way.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
And I was talking to my buddy yesterday about this,
where I said, I go the thing my dad said
to me when I was like ten, He goes I said, like,
I love you, and he goes, well, in a couple
of years, you're gonna hate me. You're gonna think I'm
an idiot and that you know everything, and we're gonna
fight a lot, and you're gonna turn like twenty one
twenty two and we'll go back to being buds again.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
And he was definitely right.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
And I've said my version of that that I said
that to my kids, but I have a different version
where I tried to better it, and I said, now
that you've ventured this phase of your life, your brain
is going to tell you that I don't know what
I'm talking about, or that I'm being mean to you
or whatever I go. And I would like to ask
that you ask yourself, why would this person who loves
me a lot and just wants what is best for
me do things to ruin my life? And if like

(07:36):
genuinely try to see it from that perspective. And I
don't know how often my kids do it, but I
know that I don't fight with my sixteen year old
as much as I did when I fought with my dad, Like,
we don't have those things.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
That's also a very advanced question for a kid.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
And I would also say, specifically for a boy, to
ask him the point about that, because I don't. I
would have never thought my parents tried to ruin my life.
Every time they said no to something, they're ruining my life.
And I never would have wrapped my head around the well,
the point is they're trying to protect me from either
hurting myself, hurting somebody else, hurting my future, you know,

(08:11):
setting myself up for failure or something like that.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
I would be be I.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
Just felt like my dad was just so mean when
I was a teenager, That's what I was. He was
so mean, and I remember thinking I just wanted to
be right, which is the other thing I told my kids,
I said when I was your age, I just want
to be right once. And here's what I have to
tell you. It's not going to happen like this is
not it's not in the cars for you. I go
to miss every time. But I had like, this is
the sweetest thing. My son went on a date with

(08:35):
a girl and they were talking and they were he
one of the things he likes about her is that
she's very close with her family, and family is very
important to them, and he said he goes. Both of
them said like, he goes. I couldn't imagine ever being
mad at my parents because at like the lunch table
they talk and a lot of the kids complain about
their parents. And he was like and she was like, yeah,
same thing. And again he could be sucking me a
sucking up to me, or and it's working if he's manipulating,

(08:57):
because I was like, oh, thanks man, Yeah, he's totally
thanks for thanks for ruining Mike, You're very easy to manipulate.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
We have time to talk about that.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
That seems it just seems like a horrible time in
the segment to drop that up. No, don't back battle,
and that's say you made that up.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
No you did it, No, you did it. All jokes
are based in truth.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
How would I know that? What have I ever tried
to manipulate you? I don't know, and it's working.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Point proven. That was stupid. I don't want to be
here anymore? Can we go ruining your life?

Speaker 4 (09:36):
He's a little bit okay?

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Not the sarcasm also isn't helping because it's not really sarcasm.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
It's just mean, said with a sarcastic tone. Oh that
was hurtful.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
That was so act.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
I did know.

Speaker 4 (09:47):
I am very sarcastic, but hurtful.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Am I still hurting this? I can't remember now? John?
Now you're better now, jesu lout. I just felt like
I was Jedi my trick. I'm not gonna lie like manipulated.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
I was so oh my god, stop it? Wait? Do
you do it to me too? Did you guys ever
get to the seven seven seventh things?

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Where are you?

Speaker 4 (10:10):
I was playing Connections?

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Oh, I rest my case.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
She also manipulated me about paying a quarter percent attention.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
I didn't remember hearing she use all of her brain.

Speaker 5 (10:22):
But I don't Hey, listen, I didn't hear you guys
say focus on play and focus on teaching and all
that you did.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
That was at the very beginning. When how did your
connect for what.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
Were you playing? Well?

Speaker 5 (10:32):
I finished wordle in three No, I think I finished
it in four. But I'm onto connections now. Connections be
stuff to speak to.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Her, like immense strength and manipulation or my immense weakness
and manipulation.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Neither. I'm afraid to answer any of what you just said.
I gotta no, no, I'm not lying. This is not
a bit like I need to.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
I need to get to the bottom line everything your.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Manipulating living with a woman, is it?

Speaker 1 (10:59):
It? Don't dare you don't They'll try to distract me
with that.

Speaker 4 (11:02):
Mary and Joel.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
All right, now I'm done. Now I'm mad. Hope you're happy.
I have a great week. Everybody go take a bath and.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
I don't have any hysterical take a bath, smile more.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
Thank you as always,
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