March 18, 2025 • 37 mins
ICYMI: Hour Three of ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – Newfound respect for actor, producer Anthony Mackie’s parenting philosophy and stance on “masculinity” … PLUS - Thoughts on ‘Ted Lasso’ Season 4 AND the ‘Starship Troopers’ reboot in the works - KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
I've never met Anthony Mackie, who most recently starred in
the latest Captain America Brave New World movie. I've never
met him, never had a chance to interview him. I
only know his on screen persona per se, and I
liked him as a talent. I didn't know whether he
could carry a movie by himself, and I think he's
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put a lot of those fears to rest at this point.
But I didn't know much about him other than he
was from Louisiana, what have you. Didn't know that he
had four sons until relatively recently. He was on this
podcast called The Pivot Podcast, and it's done by Ryan Clark,
who's an NFL commentator and for ESPN, and I learned
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more about him, his family, his philosophy for raising his four.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Sons, more about him than ever before.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
And that's one thing I do enjoy about the podcast industry,
if only because you get to see sides and hear
sides of people that you just wouldn't in a press
tour where he's promoting a movie or some other project.
You get a real sense of who the person is,
because in a podcast situation, they talk long enough to
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kind of forget that they're talking in a recorded medium,
and you get to hear what they really think about things,
whether they cuss, you know, what they feel about life.
And in this case, child rearing about I don't know,
four or five days ago, we told you about how
bed Athlet was taking his son to a sneaker convention,
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and that's very important. Took his son to a sneaker convention,
and he received Ben Affleck received all sorts of praise
for dissuading his son from wanting to buy a pair
of six thousand dollars sneakers six thousand dollars, and a
lot of praise was heaped on bed Afflecks, like yeah, yeah, yeah,
teach him the value of money.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
And so forth.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I said, wait a minute, just because he said that
he wouldn't let his son buy a pair of six
thousand dollars shoes doesn't mean that he would be against
two thousand or eight hundred dollars. And if you saw
the video on social media, he was already carrying bags
of at least two pairs of shoes.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
They dropped at least.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
A grand and I was saying, I've never spent more
than two hundred dollars on shoes. Not that I couldn't
afford more than two hundred dollars, it was just the principle.
It's not something I'm going to spend thousands of dollars
on incomes. Anthony Mackie and this is completely separate and
distinct from anything related to Ben Affleck. Listen what he
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has to say about how he raises his sons.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Captain America is interesting because I try to keep my
boys outside of it, like I don't want my boys
affected by it or even acknowledge the idea of what
Hollywood is and what it means to the general populous,
because I want them to find their own path. And
we're blessed, like we're put in a position where we
can afford our kids the best. You know, we're in
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a position where our grandkids, our great grandkids will be
provided for. You know, we weren't like that, you know,
I know on the West Bank, you wasn't like that. Yeah,
y'all eat, you know Vianna sashes and poking beans.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
You know I did.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
That's what I'm saying, But that's real, you know, that's
where we came from. I keep my boys humble, Like
my boys have never had a pair of Jordans.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Did you hear that, never had a pair of Jordans.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
We're not talking about the four thousand dollars sneakery convention Jordan's.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
We're talking like the two hundred dollars Jordans.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Like, my boys have never had a pair of Jordans.
You know, my boys don't do all that Internet flies.
I'm like your kids, and no, I don't give I
could be the biggest star in the world. Do not
let me catch you being stupid. Do not. And my
oldest gets him, my fifteen year old. He tell the
other ones, he's like, yo, yo, don't make dad mad,
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because once you get one, that's right, he gonna straighten
the other ones out. So it's just that thing of
you know, in the past twenty years, we've been living
through the death of the American male.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
They have literally killed masculinity in our homes, in our
communities for one reason or another. But I raised my
boys to be young men. And however you feel about that,
you feel about that. But my boys will always be respectful.
They will always say yes, sir, Yes, ma'am, No, sir, no, ma'am.
They will always say thank you. They will always open
a door for a lady. They will always make sure
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that their mother is taking care and provided for. They
will always be men. And that's always since they were
two years old.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Are you?
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Every time I left for a job, I tell my
fifteen year old, you're the man of the house. You
make sure these doors are locked every night. This alarm
is on. You text me or you call me every
night before you go to bed and you wake up.
I love it because we're men. If I'm not to protect,
he got to be to protect. Because you can have
all the money in the world, climb through the window.
That money means nothing. You can have all the celebrity
in the world, jump through the door. That celebrity means nothing.
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So you gotta have a little, a little garden there.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
I love Anthony Mackie. I'm a fan for life. Just
off of that, Just off of that.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Yeah, this, what he is passing down to his sons
is the true definition of what I grew up understanding,
what being the man was about. It is the same
values I pass on to my son. It's and it
brings me great pride. Anytime I go to where and
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someone interacts with my son, they say, man, your son
is real. He is just such a good kid. It's
a gentleman. He's kind, is polite. You know, he looks
you in your eye when you shake your hand. He
just he speaks up. And it just brings me so
much joy to know that that is because of things
that I passed down to him.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
And and.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
I don't know if enough of that is being passed
down in households across America. I don't care the race.
I don't care what area these kids are from, because
it's like I go to any mall, I'm picking my
kids up, be out there at the movie theaters and
you're seeing these young people talking crazy, cursing, acting out
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Like growing up, it didn't matter if me and my
friends were cursing around each other if someone older. It
was quiet that down, quiet all that down. And I
don't know if enough young men are being taught what
it means to be a man. I don't know what
happened in society that changed that. There was so much
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that I heard in there which was reminiscent of my father.
For example, my father was the one who said, you
don't leave the house without an undershirt and the belt.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
You're not fully dressed. As far as presenting yourself to
the world. You know, be appropriate in your presentation. When
a woman comes in the room, you stand up and
offer her your chair. When you walk on the street,
you make sure you, as the man, are on the
street side to protect her from any danger. That's the
way I was raised. When I was hearing from Anthony
Mackie rang so true and reminiscent of that. We need
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more of that because I can't count, and I know
Marcus experiences.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
When you go to a movie, you go to some.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Sort of public place and you see young people just
what I call acting a fool.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
It's like I'd love to smack the crap out of them.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Legally, I can't do it, but I know that my
father would have if he happened upon them. And I
was a part of that bunch of people, because my
father would beat my ass, if only because he was
trying to protect me from either jail or the morgue,
because I couldn't process consequences on that level with my
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limited understanding as a child, and he would rather me
be afraid of him and his consequences than having the
world teach me. That's what I hear at Anthony mackiw Yeah,
has masculinity, though, really been under attack all this time?
I don't know about that, And I think a lot
of people I found recently are confusing masculinity with, say,
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the ability to work on your own car, when it's
really more about intelligence, honor, decency, and kindness. I thought
he defined it very well because he put masculinity within
the context of how they treat their mother, Masculinity within
the context.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
Of protecting the home, of being responsible, of being respectful
when you were interacting with people.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
Yeah, he gave me a real flashback to when I
was a kid. I grew up without a father, and
I recalled being in line with my grandmother and I
was wisen off to her and some guy behind us
in line gave me a smack. It's like, don't talk
to her that way. Yes, And at the time I
was like, who the hell is this? But you do
that back then? But now I think he was totally justified, and.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
I think that that's what he is addressing when he
says masculinity. I know that when some hear that, they
think that they think you know, it's all about you know,
beating a woman overhead and dragging her into the house,
or sexual or something like. That's not masculinity. He is
describing the things that you should embody as a man.
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Just when you come into a room, you should take
your hat off. If you're at dinner, or if you're
at church or things like that, you should do those things.
And I see people just chilling, you know, at a
restaurant with a cap on, and I'm like at the
table and I'm like, man, a backward cap no less
smacked the stuffing out of me if I came in
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with a hat indoors at a restaurant. That's like one
of those things that you say to yourself, where is
your upbringing? Just the simple fact to me, masculinity should
be that you are respecting yourself enough to know you
don't have to walk around with your butt hanging out
of your pants breach.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
That is a problem. That is a lack of masculinity.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
Where is your upbringing when you think that that's okay
to go outside?
Speaker 6 (10:00):
That is what we are addressing. There's a lack of that. Oh,
I agree with that, and I think it's funny how
you're treated like a dinosaur. Sometimes if you open a
door for a woman, they tend not to expect it.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
At this point, I love all that stuff.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
I will when I come in downstores, downstairs, I don't
care if I see a woman coming off of the
elevator way back at the you know, I will open
the door and wait and they will look like thank you.
I said, no, thank you, and and and and that
is it. I told my son before one time, when
we were he was really young, he ran and he
opened the door for a young lady and she went in,
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she went through it, and she did not say thank you.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
And he was all you'd have heard about that. He
was like, they opened the door and she didn't say
thank you. I see. You do not open the door
to be thanked. You open the door because it's the
right thing to do. That is why.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
Yeah, you don't do an active kindness with the expectation
of a reward or recognition. You just do it because
that's what should be done. And that is the teachings
of masculinity.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
That is what should be passed down, which is what
Anthony Mackie is passed down on his sons. And I
just don't know if enough of that is being passed down,
I know, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Sorry I'm saying, I know there is.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
We got to go to a break, but we have
time to talk about this in the next event. There's
more to be said, more to be discussed. But you
know what, Anthony Mackiew is good with me. He said,
if he comes out with another movie, I'm gonna be
there regardless whether it's good, bad, or in different because
for me, that is a role model.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
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KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
KFI Mister mo' kelly Live Everywhere.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
In the iHeartRadio app, I was talking about Anthony Mackiew,
the star of Captain America Brave New World, and how
his approach to raising his four sons for me was
very refreshing. Got to hear a side of him that
I'd never heard before, never knew about him before. And
he was just in a conversation on the Pivot podcast,
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which which is the product of Ryan Clark, who's an
NFL personality, and it was kind of like a barbershop situation.
Guy sitting around talking, shooting the stuff, witting some very
funny inappropriate places and also it went very serious places,
but there was something else I wanted to play. So
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if you get a chance to check out the fullus
of the interviews more than an hour, I just picked
a couple of clips out that I really enjoyed. I
think learned something about Anthony Mackie, the actor and person.
Last segment, it was the person. Now, this is Anthony Mackie,
the actor. He was asked about how he goes about
creating longevity in the business, like, my boys, well, I'm sorry,
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that's the wrong one.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Here we go.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
How do you create longevity then by diversifying your portfolio?
I mean, like, my problem now is this, I'm forty
six years old, so I want to get into produce
and I want to start curating that Anthony Mackie experience.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Tyler Perry has.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Shown us the mold, Like, we don't get this motherfucker
enough respect what you think about his projects or whatever.
This motherfucker has created the wheel, so it don't make
sense for me to get a chisel and try to
make another one. Like the brilliance and the ingenuity in
which he's executed this business is phenomenal. We have to
acknowledge that no one else has been able to do that.
He makes more money than most studios. Right, So you
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have to curate your experience. Captain America was an Anthony
Mackin curated experience because I produced it everything I had
to say on all that. Once you curate that experience,
you start to put yourself in a position where people
know what to expect of you. Every time you see
a Tom Cruise movie, that's a curated Tom Cruise experience.
Will Smith used to be a curated Will Smith. You
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knew what you were getting. So at this point in
my career, because as men, your golden window is thirty
five to sixty. Like you look at Denzel, you can
still play love a Boy at sixty you can still
do action. Liam needs In one hundred and fifteen years old, Hey.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Tom on another mission soon?
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yo?
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Yeah, eighty years old. Liam Needson daught to need to
keep my ass in the house.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
To keep going on.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
We ask when you look at these cats you make
your money from thirty five to sixty, that's when you
have enough years in the business to where people trust
you and they know what's coming with you, so that
way they can say.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Let's do this.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Because I always thought I would be a dramatic actor.
I always thought I would be the actor, you know,
sitting in there crying about my kid dying, you know,
with some World War two like Denzel right. But I've
realized now that I'm more of an action star, and
I think a lot of it came from, you know,
playing football and the athletics that I did. But my
career now is based upon my athleticism.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
This is the difference why I think award shows are
not as important because award shows back in the day
to slightly like that's about the only time.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
You would see these people.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
You have these two minute interviews on the red carpet
and you learn nothing about them, Whereas now in the
podcast space, I felt like I kind of learned something
about him as a person, as a man, as a father,
and I felt as if I were a part of
the conversation.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Yeah, I think that in general.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
There are so many different podcasts that I follow and
I'll listen to just because I want to hear something
different than what's normally out there, and something like that.
This is one of those conversations that sometimes I'll come across.
I'll see a clip on social media and I'll go
and try to find the full length conversation, because this
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is how we learn more about the people. Like we all,
I say, we don't know these people. This is us
learning more about this person and where this person stands.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
And I think that this level of vulnerability.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
That different conversation like this allow is what brings us
closer into Hollywood something else.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
I notice this is a Marvel leady man who's been
obviously given a lot of freedom to express himself in
a colorful way in many ways.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
I don't know if that was the case maybe five
years ago with Marvel.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
Yeah, yeah, they were a little tight on how people
could say anything about what they're doing, about their role
and stuff. They were really like, loose lips will sink
your entire ship, and they didn't allow They had to
prove it. We know from talking to individuals.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
We talked to one of the writers of this movie.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
Yes, absolutely absolutely, I forgot about that.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
I didn't yes talk to and the Marvel rep.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
The Disney rep was on the law and actually afterwards
said hey, can you go back and cut out because
he wasn't supposed to say that. I know you guys
got comfortable, but can you remove that from the conversation.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Yeah, because the writer said a little too much and
what was I supposed to do stop him? And we
were asking, among other things, specifically about what would be
this movie Captain America four. Yeah, Yeah, we specifically asked
about that. We asked about Steve Rogers, whether he was
still alive, where he might be, and there's a little
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too much information that was given at that time. Let
me come back to you, Mark, because I know you
might have had some other thoughts about the whole masculinity
discussion we had last segment.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
Well, it's I mean, I get triggered by this because
I've seen so many online dimwits proclaiming themselves alpha males,
when no alpha male who's ever lived has described himself
that way. So we might be talking about two different
things here. Oh absolutely. I mean you're talking about sort
of old school behavior, which I one hundred percent agree with.
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And I mentioned, you know, being a man has nothing
to do with I don't know, owning a truck or
guns or any of that superficial stuff. It's all about
honor and decency and kindness and intelligence, and I don't
see enough of that. I mean, I don't have any
problem with anything Anthony Mackie just said, except for referring
to himself in the third person, that's a little weird
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to me.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Unfortunately, a lot of people interpret the word masculinity with
the modifier of toxic masculinity, so it takes on it's
a loaded word in today's world, when five ten years
ago it wasn't. And no, you don't have to proclaim
that you're a man, not if you're actually a man. No.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
And there are some pieces of terminology that just caused
people to tune out right away, like toxic masculinity.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Nope.
Speaker 6 (18:35):
Like I was in a conversation with somebody a few
weeks ago who were agreed on everything, and the person
said something about the patriarchy, and I'm like, okay, I'm out.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
That's it.
Speaker 6 (18:48):
The buzzwords, Yeah, I think they kind of reduce thoughtful
discussions and debates and arguments to a series of catchphrases
and buzzwords, and it winds up becoming kind of meaningless.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
It's a dead giveaway and off putting. Really, the moment I.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Hear the buzzwords, it's not only is it off putting,
I usually eject because you have been reciting and repeating
that which you heard and cannot adequately express on your
own because you can't even find the words to articulate
what you want me to understand, and the best you
can do is reach for someone others coin term that
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you heard or watched on TV.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
I mean those things can be useful shorthand and they
allow us to communicate, you know, complicated things in a
few words. But learn some new ones after you're done
with grad school in the nineties. Okay, Well that's assuming
they went to grad school. Well yeah, And I'm not
saying that as a mark of quality either. There's good
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and bad to that. I can say that having been there.
But the whole conversation about masculinity, there's a lot of
just absolute boobes online, Like I think of comedians who
pass off being knuckleheads as average man's stuff, and I'm like, no,
you just want this, You just want an excuse to
be a bigot and a low brow and you're not
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even funny.
Speaker 7 (20:13):
That's actually a good point because a lot of the
stuff that he was talking about I didn't necessarily associate
with masculine masculinity. I associated that with being like courteous
and having with decency. Yeah, and I like the fact
that he is trying to realign masculinity away from the
toxic thing and trying to realign it back to honor, decency, courtesy,
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things like that.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
That's cool, protection of womanhood.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yeah, you know, that's just how I was raised. And
I don't know if I fully agree with his premise.
And I would want to ask you more about how
we're trying to or this country's trying to destroy masculinity.
I would want to probe that further. I think I
know what he's getting at, but I don't want to
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presume to know. But I don't have disagreement with what
he said, and I know some will misinterpret it, and
that's okay, because if you're actually a man, you're not
gonna worry about it.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
You can work your way through it. No.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
No, I think after this talk we all need to
go and have a sauna together.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
But ask naked.
Speaker 6 (21:15):
It's exactly right, okay, Real men don't use towels in
the sauna.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I am six forty just had to make it weird.
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Speaker 3 (21:38):
That's toxic of you. Yeah, call back.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
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Speaker 2 (21:51):
Kelly six Live everywhere on the Eye Heart Radio app. Okay,
I've never watched Ted Lasso. I'm just telling you the truth.
I'm just being honest, and a lot of people clown
me for that. Only got so much time in the world,
and I prefer movies over TV shows, Like for example,
(22:15):
when I was watching The Electric Slate last night, it
was easy to just eject and not feel that I
had to watch a season of this or a season
of that. I've heard nothing but great things about Ted Lasso.
I just haven't gotten into it yet. I still have
an Apple TV subscription on promise on one of them.
But I got the subscription. I'll eventually get there. It
(22:36):
took me four years to get to Game of Thrones,
but I eventually got there. You know, I still haven't
gotten to Breaking Bad. I was in the same way,
And did you say Electric Slate whatever it is? States slates,
electric slide whatever. Sure, sure, it's all the same. It
doesn't deserve the respect of a proper type.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
No, no, no no.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Oh. It also got an Instagram message mister mom'kelly from
a listener OC Life O C l YF. He says
we should call it a disfortune cookie.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Ooh, I like that. That's dope.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Disfortune cookie and have the messages obviously consistent with our
collective or individual disfortune Wow.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Works for me.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Now someone's going to go ahead and trademarket to make
all the money. But you know, I felt the need
to at least acknowledge it. It is pretty witty, pretty damn witty.
We can't do like a radio U copyright on that.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
No, you can't do that. We said it here first.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
You can say it here first, but you can't prove
that you actually copyrighted it first.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Yeah, I'm sorry. You know that's where it goes. But
back to ted Lasso.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Ted Lasso season four officially is ago with Jason Sedakis
and yeah, hopefully I'll get to it by season six.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
I know people rave about the show, and I'm so
prize because you do watch a lot of these shows
that I've never seen ever before, Like, we've watched the
one about the oil Empire, land Man, Yeah that one.
You watched the one about the news Empire, Succession, Yeah,
you watched that one.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
You watch these shows? And I went in Succession. I
picked up in the last season. I started binge watching
from the beginning. So that's kind of my gotcha. Okay,
it's satter, so okay, so so man, excuse me. Landman
was new, and the only reason I got on that
was because it's the same creator as Lioness and Yellowstone
and those are things where you know Taylor Sheridan where
(24:38):
was like, okay, I like how he makes TV shows,
So I was comfortable with trying a new one and
had Billy Bob Thornton, who's hilarious and absolutely hilarious, and
it was it was worth the time, and whether it
gets picked up or not. The way they did the
first season, it was complete enough where I wouldn't I'd
be okay if they didn't bring it.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
They tied up a lot of storylines.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
You can kind of figure out where the story goes,
even though it may not be on TV.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
I think Fush is a big fan of Ted Lasso.
I've never watched it, though I don't know what it's about.
It's a good show.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
It's about an American who has no experience with soccer
who becomes a soccer coach in England. And I think
it became the kind of hit that it was when
it first started because people were starved for some portrayal
of decency and kindness on TV. Did it start during
the pandemic?
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Yeah? Okay, Oh so people have time to watch Yeah,
that's true. Okay.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
And beyond that, Starship Troopers, yes, a reboot remake something
has been favorite sci fi films. Really.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
I love stars I love how cynical and how poigntly
it paints this dysfunctional picture of America, of of the
the military and military industrial complex, of of even low
key uh Nazism. I mean, there's so much in this
(26:10):
film that just like I love watching it because of
its overreach.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Mark would you say, would you is it fair to
say that it's Orwellian?
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Almost?
Speaker 6 (26:23):
I don't know, but it does satirize, you know, the
whole USA USA kind of jingoism and and uh and
and the our our love of war. And it's the
kind of film that only an outsider could do. I
forget where Paul Verhobin Verhoven is from. Is he Dutch
or something?
Speaker 3 (26:41):
I'll look out.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
I believe Verhobin Verhoven Verhoven with the vin Yeah, I'll
look him up as opposed to Verboten. Yeah he's Dutch.
Oh so the Dutch, Yeah they're not. How the pop
fun at the man's Dutch still a lot too. Eighty six.
I wonder if he's gonna have a role in this reboot.
I'm there for it. I'm there for it. I really
(27:04):
really enjoy Starship Troopers. I actually own the VHS. I
have not moved up to the TVD. Now it's going
to be done by Neil Bloncom. Yes, and my only
reservation is I've never been a real big fan of
his movies. District nine, mister Mark with me Chat Chappie,
(27:26):
definitely mister Mark.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
It was really irritating. I didn't mind Elisium.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I actually I would air on the side of it
being good, not great, but good.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Oh man, I really really like it. Some District nine
to me was phenomenal. Love District nine. Uh, Elysium great.
I watched Elysium just the other day, and you know
it's funny. I was here late one night and it
was on, and I tried to tell Mark to get
on watching because it was I.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Never saw it before. You've never seen Elysium.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
I watched it on Tawalla Say So, and I liked it.
The thing about Neil Blomcamp is that after District nine,
it was like, Oh, this guy's got potential, and I
still don't think we've seen that potential. We know he
was going to make an alien movie and that got scrapped,
so I'm anxious to see what he does with this.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
For people who.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Don't know, there are a lot of movies that Mark
has not seen. He came in tonight and said, mo,
I finally have seen Harlem Knights.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Only what forty years too late? Oh my, in nineteen
eighty nine. If you don't know Harlem Knights.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
It's stars and directed by Eddie Murphy, Richard Pryor, Red Fox,
Dela Reese, Arsenio Hall, the late Robin Harris. Most of
that cast, unfortunately has passed on now. But it was
a oh yeah, it was a great assortment of comedians
that you would never see again.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
It's not a great movie. I was like a black
Justice League. I loved it.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
It's funny. I loved that. You get Richard Pryor and.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
Who's the Fox, Red Fox in the same movie, and
Fox only died a couple of years after that movie
he was made.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Yeah ninety one. If I'm not mistaken, and we talked
about this Mark. Richard Pryor plays it straight. He's not
trying to be funny in that movie. He's at guiding
force for quick Eric Eddie Murphy's character.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
He looks very fragile in the movie, but I love
the father son relationship with him and Eddie Murphy, kind
of an adoptive father and son. Can't believe I've never
seen it. I was busy the year it came out.
I don't know what I was doing.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
And you know who was also great in it, even
though he's not part of the principal cast, Danny I Yello.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
He's a good heel. He is really good.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
In this movie, and his comedic timing is pretty good
as well. You would never think it given that cast,
but he was really good.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
As our Senio. Everyone in this film was great. Delrie
Delarie was so funny.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
I had my pinky toe.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
I'm good.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
I told MO that I'm gonna be walking around for
weeks shouting at people, kiss.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
My entire ass.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Now, if you listen to the show, I'm telling you
right now, this is going to be in name that
movie called Classic on Friday.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
I'm telling you in advance it has to be.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
And if you don't know the movie and you can't
figure it out, that's a you problem.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
I'm telling you one of the ten right now. Oh,
you about to get stan Shaw. He's still alive.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
I've seen that guy in a million things and mostly
on TV, and I never knew who he was until
I looked him up after the movie.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
He's played a boxer more than a few times. Oh.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
I'm sure tons of people in it that became really
well known later on too. So uh man, that was
some great unfinished business. I was happy to discover that
it's streaming on Paramount Plus.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
I was saying that since Mark is officially half black,
it's kind of a requirement. Yeah, if you haven't seen
movies like Coming to America or Harlem Knights, they're not
going to let you in the barbershop. You're not allowed
to come to the cookout. You got to see those movies.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
What are the movies that will bar me from ever
having to eat chitlins.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
There are no because that's not going to happen. I
don't know if there's a chitplin baring, there's no level
that bars for me to chis. So that's just I
don't say you had to like them. I'm just saying
it's it's a right of passage. It's something that I
had to deal with. And look, we're not saying you
have to clean them. It's not like you have to
smell them.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
We're just saying you just have to eat, yeah, out
of the one Yeah, the half white side of me,
or which is the upper half. That's how it says
we won't be having chiplins.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
And you know what's interesting though, is quite possibly and
I wish Nick Poliochini was here because the restaurant that
he was going to get them from what their main
their main customer base is actually your upper half.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
That's not uncommon with a lot of soul food places. Yes,
like you would go to and Kissy's Back Porch when
it was in the Marina, it was mostly white establishment,
hardly the black people in that.
Speaker 6 (32:00):
Yeah, a lot of yuppie thrill seekers. I am not
down with this.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Possibly, possibly you get a taste of taste of that
cuisine without having to worry about all.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
That other stuff.
Speaker 6 (32:10):
I'd rather have you shoot off my pinky toe.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on Demand from
KFI Am six forty.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
My final thought is going to be about crime. I
had some thoughts earlier in the show. I said the
first word was going to be Mayor Karen Bass as
she was releasing some of the crime stats and how
they were at least on a surface positive or moving
in the right direction. And I just wanted to offer
just a little bit more perspective before the night is through.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
And it's not that I'm against.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Her offering the crime stats, and there's no need to
go over them again. And yes, the numbers were positive
relative to twenty twenty three, and improvement is that improvement.
I'll take it. Better is better. I'm not going to
quibble about that. But by saying something is better, there
also needs to be context, a point of reference. The
(33:05):
easy response, or at least I call it easy, to
any crime stat is pointing out the obvious that crime
stats only reflect crimes which have actually been reported, and
that's in the past. That has nothing to do with
the president of the future is not some sort of
force field protection for the future. And since we know
that crime stats are always relative to crime actually reported,
(33:29):
and it's true for all crime stats, not just these
crime stats, so let's not get bent out of shape
or act like these today are somehow different just because
they're positive. We can't just dismiss them out of hand.
Let's be fair here. We're not going to say just
because they're positive, whether they're fake. No, I'm not going
to do that. Pure murders and less violent crime always
(33:53):
good things. Let's agree on that. But let's not oversell
it either. The real discussion is whether this is going
to be a larger trend or just a temporary fluctuation,
liable to increase again next year.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
That's my question. Crime is a fickle thing.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
It depends largely on the willingness of people to follow
or break the law.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
We as people have.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
More influence on crime than actual law enforcement, and that
has always been true. Something else about crime and safety.
Safety is not, has not, and will not ever be
connected to raw stats. You can tell me that murders
are down ten percent, and that really doesn't mean a
damn thing in our everyday lives. Crime stats are not
a predictor of the future. I will say it again
(34:38):
and again and again. It's only a reference to the past.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Murders. Being down ten.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Percent or whatever number doesn't make me, you or your
family feel any safer. And this is definitely about feelings.
Nobody's going to walk outside and say, damn, I feel
ten percent safer or I feel ten percent less likely
to be murdered today.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
How about that?
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Because safety begins and ends with feelings, and safety is
about trust. You know, I don't like to fly, and
there are no stats that you can give me about
flying being the safest way to travel, which is going
to impact that fear. So you can save your breath.
You just have to make me feel safe. That's all
you can do. Here's another example, and Mark Runner knows
(35:21):
what I'm talking about. Mark and I have a shared
dislike and apprehension of going to the dentist. The reason
I am with my dentist right now is because he
goes over and above to demonstrate he understands and relates
to my fear, doesn't talk down to me, doesn't tell
me why it's supposedly in an irrational fear mayor bass
(35:43):
could learn something from that, because she made no attempt
to connect with us or demonstrated that she personally has
the saying safety concerns that the rest of us do collectively,
safety is one hundred percent personal. Mayor Bass could announce
that there were zero I'll murders next year and zero
property crime. But if you and I can't feel it,
(36:04):
it means nothing. And I'm not going to change my
behavior as to riding Metro, getting gas, buying groceries, walking
my dogs because crime is down. That press conference today
felt like it was coming from someone who did not
share or understand my concerns, does not have to make
those same choices, not make the same considerations, and ultimately
does not have the same skin in the game as
(36:27):
I do as you do. And this is less about
Mayor Bass because crime is not limited to the borders
of La City. Crime being down in the city of
La has zero to do with crime in unincorporated La
and La County. It's bigger than any boundary, and nobody
drives from Guardina to La or vice versa. And thanks
all of a sudden, oh my gosh, my safety quota
has changed. I guess it comes down to this as
(36:48):
I close, people will not feel any differently about crime
or whether it's going up or down until we feel
that those elected to address it have to worry about
it too, have the same concerns as you and I do,
because until that changes, the stats will never matter, whether
(37:10):
we believe them or not. For KF, I am six forty.
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
I've never met Anthony Mackie, who most recently starred in
the latest Captain America Brave New World movie. I've never
met him, never had a chance to interview him. I
only know his on screen persona per se, and I
liked him as a talent. I didn't know whether he
could carry a movie by himself, and I think he's
(00:26):
put a lot of those fears to rest at this point.
But I didn't know much about him other than he
was from Louisiana, what have you. Didn't know that he
had four sons until relatively recently. He was on this
podcast called The Pivot Podcast, and it's done by Ryan Clark,
who's an NFL commentator and for ESPN, and I learned
(00:51):
more about him, his family, his philosophy for raising his four.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Sons, more about him than ever before.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
And that's one thing I do enjoy about the podcast industry,
if only because you get to see sides and hear
sides of people that you just wouldn't in a press
tour where he's promoting a movie or some other project.
You get a real sense of who the person is,
because in a podcast situation, they talk long enough to
(01:20):
kind of forget that they're talking in a recorded medium,
and you get to hear what they really think about things,
whether they cuss, you know, what they feel about life.
And in this case, child rearing about I don't know,
four or five days ago, we told you about how
bed Athlet was taking his son to a sneaker convention,
(01:42):
and that's very important. Took his son to a sneaker convention,
and he received Ben Affleck received all sorts of praise
for dissuading his son from wanting to buy a pair
of six thousand dollars sneakers six thousand dollars, and a
lot of praise was heaped on bed Afflecks, like yeah, yeah, yeah,
teach him the value of money.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
And so forth.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I said, wait a minute, just because he said that
he wouldn't let his son buy a pair of six
thousand dollars shoes doesn't mean that he would be against
two thousand or eight hundred dollars. And if you saw
the video on social media, he was already carrying bags
of at least two pairs of shoes.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
They dropped at least.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
A grand and I was saying, I've never spent more
than two hundred dollars on shoes. Not that I couldn't
afford more than two hundred dollars, it was just the principle.
It's not something I'm going to spend thousands of dollars
on incomes. Anthony Mackie and this is completely separate and
distinct from anything related to Ben Affleck. Listen what he
(02:43):
has to say about how he raises his sons.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Captain America is interesting because I try to keep my
boys outside of it, like I don't want my boys
affected by it or even acknowledge the idea of what
Hollywood is and what it means to the general populous,
because I want them to find their own path. And
we're blessed, like we're put in a position where we
can afford our kids the best. You know, we're in
(03:10):
a position where our grandkids, our great grandkids will be
provided for. You know, we weren't like that, you know,
I know on the West Bank, you wasn't like that. Yeah,
y'all eat, you know Vianna sashes and poking beans.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
You know I did.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
That's what I'm saying, But that's real, you know, that's
where we came from. I keep my boys humble, Like
my boys have never had a pair of Jordans.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Did you hear that, never had a pair of Jordans.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
We're not talking about the four thousand dollars sneakery convention Jordan's.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
We're talking like the two hundred dollars Jordans.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Like, my boys have never had a pair of Jordans.
You know, my boys don't do all that Internet flies.
I'm like your kids, and no, I don't give I
could be the biggest star in the world. Do not
let me catch you being stupid. Do not. And my
oldest gets him, my fifteen year old. He tell the
other ones, he's like, yo, yo, don't make dad mad,
(04:06):
because once you get one, that's right, he gonna straighten
the other ones out. So it's just that thing of
you know, in the past twenty years, we've been living
through the death of the American male.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
They have literally killed masculinity in our homes, in our
communities for one reason or another. But I raised my
boys to be young men. And however you feel about that,
you feel about that. But my boys will always be respectful.
They will always say yes, sir, Yes, ma'am, No, sir, no, ma'am.
They will always say thank you. They will always open
a door for a lady. They will always make sure
(04:39):
that their mother is taking care and provided for. They
will always be men. And that's always since they were
two years old.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Are you?
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Every time I left for a job, I tell my
fifteen year old, you're the man of the house. You
make sure these doors are locked every night. This alarm
is on. You text me or you call me every
night before you go to bed and you wake up.
I love it because we're men. If I'm not to protect,
he got to be to protect. Because you can have
all the money in the world, climb through the window.
That money means nothing. You can have all the celebrity
in the world, jump through the door. That celebrity means nothing.
(05:09):
So you gotta have a little, a little garden there.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
I love Anthony Mackie. I'm a fan for life. Just
off of that, Just off of that.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Yeah, this, what he is passing down to his sons
is the true definition of what I grew up understanding,
what being the man was about. It is the same
values I pass on to my son. It's and it
brings me great pride. Anytime I go to where and
(05:40):
someone interacts with my son, they say, man, your son
is real. He is just such a good kid. It's
a gentleman. He's kind, is polite. You know, he looks
you in your eye when you shake your hand. He
just he speaks up. And it just brings me so
much joy to know that that is because of things
that I passed down to him.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
And and.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
I don't know if enough of that is being passed
down in households across America. I don't care the race.
I don't care what area these kids are from, because
it's like I go to any mall, I'm picking my
kids up, be out there at the movie theaters and
you're seeing these young people talking crazy, cursing, acting out
(06:25):
Like growing up, it didn't matter if me and my
friends were cursing around each other if someone older. It
was quiet that down, quiet all that down. And I
don't know if enough young men are being taught what
it means to be a man. I don't know what
happened in society that changed that. There was so much
(06:45):
that I heard in there which was reminiscent of my father.
For example, my father was the one who said, you
don't leave the house without an undershirt and the belt.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
You're not fully dressed. As far as presenting yourself to
the world. You know, be appropriate in your presentation. When
a woman comes in the room, you stand up and
offer her your chair. When you walk on the street,
you make sure you, as the man, are on the
street side to protect her from any danger. That's the
way I was raised. When I was hearing from Anthony
Mackie rang so true and reminiscent of that. We need
(07:17):
more of that because I can't count, and I know
Marcus experiences.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
When you go to a movie, you go to some.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Sort of public place and you see young people just
what I call acting a fool.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
It's like I'd love to smack the crap out of them.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Legally, I can't do it, but I know that my
father would have if he happened upon them. And I
was a part of that bunch of people, because my
father would beat my ass, if only because he was
trying to protect me from either jail or the morgue,
because I couldn't process consequences on that level with my
(07:51):
limited understanding as a child, and he would rather me
be afraid of him and his consequences than having the
world teach me. That's what I hear at Anthony mackiw Yeah,
has masculinity, though, really been under attack all this time?
I don't know about that, And I think a lot
of people I found recently are confusing masculinity with, say,
(08:14):
the ability to work on your own car, when it's
really more about intelligence, honor, decency, and kindness. I thought
he defined it very well because he put masculinity within
the context of how they treat their mother, Masculinity within
the context.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
Of protecting the home, of being responsible, of being respectful
when you were interacting with people.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
Yeah, he gave me a real flashback to when I
was a kid. I grew up without a father, and
I recalled being in line with my grandmother and I
was wisen off to her and some guy behind us
in line gave me a smack. It's like, don't talk
to her that way. Yes, And at the time I
was like, who the hell is this? But you do
that back then? But now I think he was totally justified, and.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
I think that that's what he is addressing when he
says masculinity. I know that when some hear that, they
think that they think you know, it's all about you know,
beating a woman overhead and dragging her into the house,
or sexual or something like. That's not masculinity. He is
describing the things that you should embody as a man.
(09:15):
Just when you come into a room, you should take
your hat off. If you're at dinner, or if you're
at church or things like that, you should do those things.
And I see people just chilling, you know, at a
restaurant with a cap on, and I'm like at the
table and I'm like, man, a backward cap no less
smacked the stuffing out of me if I came in
(09:36):
with a hat indoors at a restaurant. That's like one
of those things that you say to yourself, where is
your upbringing? Just the simple fact to me, masculinity should
be that you are respecting yourself enough to know you
don't have to walk around with your butt hanging out
of your pants breach.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
That is a problem. That is a lack of masculinity.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
Where is your upbringing when you think that that's okay
to go outside?
Speaker 6 (10:00):
That is what we are addressing. There's a lack of that. Oh,
I agree with that, and I think it's funny how
you're treated like a dinosaur. Sometimes if you open a
door for a woman, they tend not to expect it.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
At this point, I love all that stuff.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
I will when I come in downstores, downstairs, I don't
care if I see a woman coming off of the
elevator way back at the you know, I will open
the door and wait and they will look like thank you.
I said, no, thank you, and and and and that
is it. I told my son before one time, when
we were he was really young, he ran and he
opened the door for a young lady and she went in,
(10:34):
she went through it, and she did not say thank you.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
And he was all you'd have heard about that. He
was like, they opened the door and she didn't say
thank you. I see. You do not open the door
to be thanked. You open the door because it's the
right thing to do. That is why.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
Yeah, you don't do an active kindness with the expectation
of a reward or recognition. You just do it because
that's what should be done. And that is the teachings
of masculinity.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
That is what should be passed down, which is what
Anthony Mackie is passed down on his sons. And I
just don't know if enough of that is being passed down,
I know, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Sorry I'm saying, I know there is.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
We got to go to a break, but we have
time to talk about this in the next event. There's
more to be said, more to be discussed. But you
know what, Anthony Mackiew is good with me. He said,
if he comes out with another movie, I'm gonna be
there regardless whether it's good, bad, or in different because
for me, that is a role model.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
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Speaker 2 (11:39):
In the iHeartRadio app, I was talking about Anthony Mackiew,
the star of Captain America Brave New World, and how
his approach to raising his four sons for me was
very refreshing. Got to hear a side of him that
I'd never heard before, never knew about him before. And
he was just in a conversation on the Pivot podcast,
(11:59):
which which is the product of Ryan Clark, who's an
NFL personality, and it was kind of like a barbershop situation.
Guy sitting around talking, shooting the stuff, witting some very
funny inappropriate places and also it went very serious places,
but there was something else I wanted to play. So
(12:19):
if you get a chance to check out the fullus
of the interviews more than an hour, I just picked
a couple of clips out that I really enjoyed. I
think learned something about Anthony Mackie, the actor and person.
Last segment, it was the person. Now, this is Anthony Mackie,
the actor. He was asked about how he goes about
creating longevity in the business, like, my boys, well, I'm sorry,
(12:43):
that's the wrong one.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Here we go.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
How do you create longevity then by diversifying your portfolio?
I mean, like, my problem now is this, I'm forty
six years old, so I want to get into produce
and I want to start curating that Anthony Mackie experience.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Tyler Perry has.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Shown us the mold, Like, we don't get this motherfucker
enough respect what you think about his projects or whatever.
This motherfucker has created the wheel, so it don't make
sense for me to get a chisel and try to
make another one. Like the brilliance and the ingenuity in
which he's executed this business is phenomenal. We have to
acknowledge that no one else has been able to do that.
He makes more money than most studios. Right, So you
(13:26):
have to curate your experience. Captain America was an Anthony
Mackin curated experience because I produced it everything I had
to say on all that. Once you curate that experience,
you start to put yourself in a position where people
know what to expect of you. Every time you see
a Tom Cruise movie, that's a curated Tom Cruise experience.
Will Smith used to be a curated Will Smith. You
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knew what you were getting. So at this point in
my career, because as men, your golden window is thirty
five to sixty. Like you look at Denzel, you can
still play love a Boy at sixty you can still
do action. Liam needs In one hundred and fifteen years old, Hey.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Tom on another mission soon?
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yo?
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Yeah, eighty years old. Liam Needson daught to need to
keep my ass in the house.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
To keep going on.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
We ask when you look at these cats you make
your money from thirty five to sixty, that's when you
have enough years in the business to where people trust
you and they know what's coming with you, so that
way they can say.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Let's do this.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Because I always thought I would be a dramatic actor.
I always thought I would be the actor, you know,
sitting in there crying about my kid dying, you know,
with some World War two like Denzel right. But I've
realized now that I'm more of an action star, and
I think a lot of it came from, you know,
playing football and the athletics that I did. But my
career now is based upon my athleticism.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
This is the difference why I think award shows are
not as important because award shows back in the day
to slightly like that's about the only time.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
You would see these people.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
You have these two minute interviews on the red carpet
and you learn nothing about them, Whereas now in the
podcast space, I felt like I kind of learned something
about him as a person, as a man, as a father,
and I felt as if I were a part of
the conversation.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Yeah, I think that in general.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
There are so many different podcasts that I follow and
I'll listen to just because I want to hear something
different than what's normally out there, and something like that.
This is one of those conversations that sometimes I'll come across.
I'll see a clip on social media and I'll go
and try to find the full length conversation, because this
(15:40):
is how we learn more about the people. Like we all,
I say, we don't know these people. This is us
learning more about this person and where this person stands.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
And I think that this level of vulnerability.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
That different conversation like this allow is what brings us
closer into Hollywood something else.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
I notice this is a Marvel leady man who's been
obviously given a lot of freedom to express himself in
a colorful way in many ways.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
I don't know if that was the case maybe five
years ago with Marvel.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
Yeah, yeah, they were a little tight on how people
could say anything about what they're doing, about their role
and stuff. They were really like, loose lips will sink
your entire ship, and they didn't allow They had to
prove it. We know from talking to individuals.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
We talked to one of the writers of this movie.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
Yes, absolutely absolutely, I forgot about that.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
I didn't yes talk to and the Marvel rep.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
The Disney rep was on the law and actually afterwards
said hey, can you go back and cut out because
he wasn't supposed to say that. I know you guys
got comfortable, but can you remove that from the conversation.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Yeah, because the writer said a little too much and
what was I supposed to do stop him? And we
were asking, among other things, specifically about what would be
this movie Captain America four. Yeah, Yeah, we specifically asked
about that. We asked about Steve Rogers, whether he was
still alive, where he might be, and there's a little
(17:16):
too much information that was given at that time. Let
me come back to you, Mark, because I know you
might have had some other thoughts about the whole masculinity
discussion we had last segment.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
Well, it's I mean, I get triggered by this because
I've seen so many online dimwits proclaiming themselves alpha males,
when no alpha male who's ever lived has described himself
that way. So we might be talking about two different
things here. Oh absolutely. I mean you're talking about sort
of old school behavior, which I one hundred percent agree with.
(17:46):
And I mentioned, you know, being a man has nothing
to do with I don't know, owning a truck or
guns or any of that superficial stuff. It's all about
honor and decency and kindness and intelligence, and I don't
see enough of that. I mean, I don't have any
problem with anything Anthony Mackie just said, except for referring
to himself in the third person, that's a little weird
(18:08):
to me.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Unfortunately, a lot of people interpret the word masculinity with
the modifier of toxic masculinity, so it takes on it's
a loaded word in today's world, when five ten years
ago it wasn't. And no, you don't have to proclaim
that you're a man, not if you're actually a man. No.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
And there are some pieces of terminology that just caused
people to tune out right away, like toxic masculinity.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Nope.
Speaker 6 (18:35):
Like I was in a conversation with somebody a few
weeks ago who were agreed on everything, and the person
said something about the patriarchy, and I'm like, okay, I'm out.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
That's it.
Speaker 6 (18:48):
The buzzwords, Yeah, I think they kind of reduce thoughtful
discussions and debates and arguments to a series of catchphrases
and buzzwords, and it winds up becoming kind of meaningless.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
It's a dead giveaway and off putting. Really, the moment I.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Hear the buzzwords, it's not only is it off putting,
I usually eject because you have been reciting and repeating
that which you heard and cannot adequately express on your
own because you can't even find the words to articulate
what you want me to understand, and the best you
can do is reach for someone others coin term that
(19:26):
you heard or watched on TV.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
I mean those things can be useful shorthand and they
allow us to communicate, you know, complicated things in a
few words. But learn some new ones after you're done
with grad school in the nineties. Okay, Well that's assuming
they went to grad school. Well yeah, And I'm not
saying that as a mark of quality either. There's good
(19:50):
and bad to that. I can say that having been there.
But the whole conversation about masculinity, there's a lot of
just absolute boobes online, Like I think of comedians who
pass off being knuckleheads as average man's stuff, and I'm like, no,
you just want this, You just want an excuse to
be a bigot and a low brow and you're not
(20:12):
even funny.
Speaker 7 (20:13):
That's actually a good point because a lot of the
stuff that he was talking about I didn't necessarily associate
with masculine masculinity. I associated that with being like courteous
and having with decency. Yeah, and I like the fact
that he is trying to realign masculinity away from the
toxic thing and trying to realign it back to honor, decency, courtesy,
(20:34):
things like that.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
That's cool, protection of womanhood.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yeah, you know, that's just how I was raised. And
I don't know if I fully agree with his premise.
And I would want to ask you more about how
we're trying to or this country's trying to destroy masculinity.
I would want to probe that further. I think I
know what he's getting at, but I don't want to
(20:57):
presume to know. But I don't have disagreement with what
he said, and I know some will misinterpret it, and
that's okay, because if you're actually a man, you're not
gonna worry about it.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
You can work your way through it. No.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
No, I think after this talk we all need to
go and have a sauna together.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
But ask naked.
Speaker 6 (21:15):
It's exactly right, okay, Real men don't use towels in
the sauna.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I am six forty just had to make it weird.
We're live everywhere in the iHeartRadio app. We have some
movie and TV news that you might be interested in.
When we come back. If You don't just turn off
the radio all together because of Mark Ronald. Why would
you do that, because that's a visual nobody asked for,
nobody wanted.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
That's toxic of you. Yeah, call back.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Kelly six Live everywhere on the Eye Heart Radio app. Okay,
I've never watched Ted Lasso. I'm just telling you the truth.
I'm just being honest, and a lot of people clown
me for that. Only got so much time in the world,
and I prefer movies over TV shows, Like for example,
(22:15):
when I was watching The Electric Slate last night, it
was easy to just eject and not feel that I
had to watch a season of this or a season
of that. I've heard nothing but great things about Ted Lasso.
I just haven't gotten into it yet. I still have
an Apple TV subscription on promise on one of them.
But I got the subscription. I'll eventually get there. It
(22:36):
took me four years to get to Game of Thrones,
but I eventually got there. You know, I still haven't
gotten to Breaking Bad. I was in the same way,
And did you say Electric Slate whatever it is? States slates,
electric slide whatever. Sure, sure, it's all the same. It
doesn't deserve the respect of a proper type.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
No, no, no no.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Oh. It also got an Instagram message mister mom'kelly from
a listener OC Life O C l YF. He says
we should call it a disfortune cookie.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Ooh, I like that. That's dope.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Disfortune cookie and have the messages obviously consistent with our
collective or individual disfortune Wow.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Works for me.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Now someone's going to go ahead and trademarket to make
all the money. But you know, I felt the need
to at least acknowledge it. It is pretty witty, pretty damn witty.
We can't do like a radio U copyright on that.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
No, you can't do that. We said it here first.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
You can say it here first, but you can't prove
that you actually copyrighted it first.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Yeah, I'm sorry. You know that's where it goes. But
back to ted Lasso.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Ted Lasso season four officially is ago with Jason Sedakis
and yeah, hopefully I'll get to it by season six.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
I know people rave about the show, and I'm so
prize because you do watch a lot of these shows
that I've never seen ever before, Like, we've watched the
one about the oil Empire, land Man, Yeah that one.
You watched the one about the news Empire, Succession, Yeah,
you watched that one.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
You watch these shows? And I went in Succession. I
picked up in the last season. I started binge watching
from the beginning. So that's kind of my gotcha. Okay,
it's satter, so okay, so so man, excuse me. Landman
was new, and the only reason I got on that
was because it's the same creator as Lioness and Yellowstone
and those are things where you know Taylor Sheridan where
(24:38):
was like, okay, I like how he makes TV shows,
So I was comfortable with trying a new one and
had Billy Bob Thornton, who's hilarious and absolutely hilarious, and
it was it was worth the time, and whether it
gets picked up or not. The way they did the
first season, it was complete enough where I wouldn't I'd
be okay if they didn't bring it.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
They tied up a lot of storylines.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
You can kind of figure out where the story goes,
even though it may not be on TV.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
I think Fush is a big fan of Ted Lasso.
I've never watched it, though I don't know what it's about.
It's a good show.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
It's about an American who has no experience with soccer
who becomes a soccer coach in England. And I think
it became the kind of hit that it was when
it first started because people were starved for some portrayal
of decency and kindness on TV. Did it start during
the pandemic?
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Yeah? Okay, Oh so people have time to watch Yeah,
that's true. Okay.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
And beyond that, Starship Troopers, yes, a reboot remake something
has been favorite sci fi films. Really.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
I love stars I love how cynical and how poigntly
it paints this dysfunctional picture of America, of of the
the military and military industrial complex, of of even low
key uh Nazism. I mean, there's so much in this
(26:10):
film that just like I love watching it because of
its overreach.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Mark would you say, would you is it fair to
say that it's Orwellian?
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Almost?
Speaker 6 (26:23):
I don't know, but it does satirize, you know, the
whole USA USA kind of jingoism and and uh and
and the our our love of war. And it's the
kind of film that only an outsider could do. I
forget where Paul Verhobin Verhoven is from. Is he Dutch
or something?
Speaker 3 (26:41):
I'll look out.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
I believe Verhobin Verhoven Verhoven with the vin Yeah, I'll
look him up as opposed to Verboten. Yeah he's Dutch.
Oh so the Dutch, Yeah they're not. How the pop
fun at the man's Dutch still a lot too. Eighty six.
I wonder if he's gonna have a role in this reboot.
I'm there for it. I'm there for it. I really
(27:04):
really enjoy Starship Troopers. I actually own the VHS. I
have not moved up to the TVD. Now it's going
to be done by Neil Bloncom. Yes, and my only
reservation is I've never been a real big fan of
his movies. District nine, mister Mark with me Chat Chappie,
(27:26):
definitely mister Mark.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
It was really irritating. I didn't mind Elisium.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I actually I would air on the side of it
being good, not great, but good.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Oh man, I really really like it. Some District nine
to me was phenomenal. Love District nine. Uh, Elysium great.
I watched Elysium just the other day, and you know
it's funny. I was here late one night and it
was on, and I tried to tell Mark to get
on watching because it was I.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Never saw it before. You've never seen Elysium.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
I watched it on Tawalla Say So, and I liked it.
The thing about Neil Blomcamp is that after District nine,
it was like, Oh, this guy's got potential, and I
still don't think we've seen that potential. We know he
was going to make an alien movie and that got scrapped,
so I'm anxious to see what he does with this.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
For people who.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Don't know, there are a lot of movies that Mark
has not seen. He came in tonight and said, mo,
I finally have seen Harlem Knights.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Only what forty years too late? Oh my, in nineteen
eighty nine. If you don't know Harlem Knights.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
It's stars and directed by Eddie Murphy, Richard Pryor, Red Fox,
Dela Reese, Arsenio Hall, the late Robin Harris. Most of
that cast, unfortunately has passed on now. But it was
a oh yeah, it was a great assortment of comedians
that you would never see again.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
It's not a great movie. I was like a black
Justice League. I loved it.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
It's funny. I loved that. You get Richard Pryor and.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
Who's the Fox, Red Fox in the same movie, and
Fox only died a couple of years after that movie
he was made.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Yeah ninety one. If I'm not mistaken, and we talked
about this Mark. Richard Pryor plays it straight. He's not
trying to be funny in that movie. He's at guiding
force for quick Eric Eddie Murphy's character.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
He looks very fragile in the movie, but I love
the father son relationship with him and Eddie Murphy, kind
of an adoptive father and son. Can't believe I've never
seen it. I was busy the year it came out.
I don't know what I was doing.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
And you know who was also great in it, even
though he's not part of the principal cast, Danny I Yello.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
He's a good heel. He is really good.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
In this movie, and his comedic timing is pretty good
as well. You would never think it given that cast,
but he was really good.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
As our Senio. Everyone in this film was great. Delrie
Delarie was so funny.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
I had my pinky toe.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
I'm good.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
I told MO that I'm gonna be walking around for
weeks shouting at people, kiss.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
My entire ass.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Now, if you listen to the show, I'm telling you
right now, this is going to be in name that
movie called Classic on Friday.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
I'm telling you in advance it has to be.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
And if you don't know the movie and you can't
figure it out, that's a you problem.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
I'm telling you one of the ten right now. Oh,
you about to get stan Shaw. He's still alive.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
I've seen that guy in a million things and mostly
on TV, and I never knew who he was until
I looked him up after the movie.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
He's played a boxer more than a few times. Oh.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
I'm sure tons of people in it that became really
well known later on too. So uh man, that was
some great unfinished business. I was happy to discover that
it's streaming on Paramount Plus.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
I was saying that since Mark is officially half black,
it's kind of a requirement. Yeah, if you haven't seen
movies like Coming to America or Harlem Knights, they're not
going to let you in the barbershop. You're not allowed
to come to the cookout. You got to see those movies.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
What are the movies that will bar me from ever
having to eat chitlins.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
There are no because that's not going to happen. I
don't know if there's a chitplin baring, there's no level
that bars for me to chis. So that's just I
don't say you had to like them. I'm just saying
it's it's a right of passage. It's something that I
had to deal with. And look, we're not saying you
have to clean them. It's not like you have to
smell them.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
We're just saying you just have to eat, yeah, out
of the one Yeah, the half white side of me,
or which is the upper half. That's how it says
we won't be having chiplins.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
And you know what's interesting though, is quite possibly and
I wish Nick Poliochini was here because the restaurant that
he was going to get them from what their main
their main customer base is actually your upper half.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
That's not uncommon with a lot of soul food places. Yes,
like you would go to and Kissy's Back Porch when
it was in the Marina, it was mostly white establishment,
hardly the black people in that.
Speaker 6 (32:00):
Yeah, a lot of yuppie thrill seekers. I am not
down with this.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Possibly, possibly you get a taste of taste of that
cuisine without having to worry about all.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
That other stuff.
Speaker 6 (32:10):
I'd rather have you shoot off my pinky toe.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on Demand from
KFI Am six forty.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
My final thought is going to be about crime. I
had some thoughts earlier in the show. I said the
first word was going to be Mayor Karen Bass as
she was releasing some of the crime stats and how
they were at least on a surface positive or moving
in the right direction. And I just wanted to offer
just a little bit more perspective before the night is through.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
And it's not that I'm against.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Her offering the crime stats, and there's no need to
go over them again. And yes, the numbers were positive
relative to twenty twenty three, and improvement is that improvement.
I'll take it. Better is better. I'm not going to
quibble about that. But by saying something is better, there
also needs to be context, a point of reference. The
(33:05):
easy response, or at least I call it easy, to
any crime stat is pointing out the obvious that crime
stats only reflect crimes which have actually been reported, and
that's in the past. That has nothing to do with
the president of the future is not some sort of
force field protection for the future. And since we know
that crime stats are always relative to crime actually reported,
(33:29):
and it's true for all crime stats, not just these
crime stats, so let's not get bent out of shape
or act like these today are somehow different just because
they're positive. We can't just dismiss them out of hand.
Let's be fair here. We're not going to say just
because they're positive, whether they're fake. No, I'm not going
to do that. Pure murders and less violent crime always
(33:53):
good things. Let's agree on that. But let's not oversell
it either. The real discussion is whether this is going
to be a larger trend or just a temporary fluctuation,
liable to increase again next year.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
That's my question. Crime is a fickle thing.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
It depends largely on the willingness of people to follow
or break the law.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
We as people have.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
More influence on crime than actual law enforcement, and that
has always been true. Something else about crime and safety.
Safety is not, has not, and will not ever be
connected to raw stats. You can tell me that murders
are down ten percent, and that really doesn't mean a
damn thing in our everyday lives. Crime stats are not
a predictor of the future. I will say it again
(34:38):
and again and again. It's only a reference to the past.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Murders. Being down ten.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Percent or whatever number doesn't make me, you or your
family feel any safer. And this is definitely about feelings.
Nobody's going to walk outside and say, damn, I feel
ten percent safer or I feel ten percent less likely
to be murdered today.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
How about that?
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Because safety begins and ends with feelings, and safety is
about trust. You know, I don't like to fly, and
there are no stats that you can give me about
flying being the safest way to travel, which is going
to impact that fear. So you can save your breath.
You just have to make me feel safe. That's all
you can do. Here's another example, and Mark Runner knows
(35:21):
what I'm talking about. Mark and I have a shared
dislike and apprehension of going to the dentist. The reason
I am with my dentist right now is because he
goes over and above to demonstrate he understands and relates
to my fear, doesn't talk down to me, doesn't tell
me why it's supposedly in an irrational fear mayor bass
(35:43):
could learn something from that, because she made no attempt
to connect with us or demonstrated that she personally has
the saying safety concerns that the rest of us do collectively,
safety is one hundred percent personal. Mayor Bass could announce
that there were zero I'll murders next year and zero
property crime. But if you and I can't feel it,
(36:04):
it means nothing. And I'm not going to change my
behavior as to riding Metro, getting gas, buying groceries, walking
my dogs because crime is down. That press conference today
felt like it was coming from someone who did not
share or understand my concerns, does not have to make
those same choices, not make the same considerations, and ultimately
does not have the same skin in the game as
(36:27):
I do as you do. And this is less about
Mayor Bass because crime is not limited to the borders
of La City. Crime being down in the city of
La has zero to do with crime in unincorporated La
and La County. It's bigger than any boundary, and nobody
drives from Guardina to La or vice versa. And thanks
all of a sudden, oh my gosh, my safety quota
has changed. I guess it comes down to this as
(36:48):
I close, people will not feel any differently about crime
or whether it's going up or down until we feel
that those elected to address it have to worry about
it too, have the same concerns as you and I do,
because until that changes, the stats will never matter, whether
(37:10):
we believe them or not. For KF, I am six forty.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
I'm O Kelly, Well, at least you've decided to listen
to KFI.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
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