March 13, 2025 • 30 mins
ICYMI: Hour Two of ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – Thoughts on actor Ben Affleck being praised for “not buying his son a pair of 6k shoes” … PLUS – An in-depth look at what led to singer Dawn Robinson, former member of the multi-platinum female group En Vogue, finding herself living in her car - on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI Am sixty.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Ben Affleck is back in the news and it has
nothing to do with j LO. That has nothing to
do with his ex wife Jennifer Garner, who has three
children with It has to do with him being a
father though. And there is a video which has gone viral.
The audio is not very good, so that's why I'm
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not playing for you. But it shows Ben Affleck and
his son at a sneaker convention and his son is
going googa gaga over some sneakers that he wants, and
it's revealed that the cost of the sneakers is six
thousand dollars. Ben Affleck responds to his son saying, oh,
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that's a lot of lawns, basically saying you'd have to
mow a lot of lawns for his son to be
able to buy them and earn those sneakers. And the
general public is saying, Bravo, bravo, Ben Affleck, bravo for
teaching your son the value of money and not just
giving him everything that he wants. And I want to
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take it in a different direction because Ben Affleck saying
no to six thousand dollars sneakers on that one occasion
when he knows that there's a camera in his face
watching him and his son, to me, is not a
big deal. If his son were to believe, and he
did believe that Dad might buy him the six thousand
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dollars sneakers, that says to me that Dad probably has
purchased two, three and four thousand dollars sneakers. And if
you've ever been to a sneaker convention or know what
goes on there, they're all sorts of exotics and one
offs and specialties. And you know a lot of celebrities
will go to these sneaker conventions and they will pay
top dollar for these limited editions, special edition type sneakers,
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and dollars for a pair of sneakers is not unusual.
It's high, but not unusual when a lot of these
are collector's items. It's nice that Ben Affleck told his
son no, but let's keep it real, just because you
said no to six thousand dollar pair of shoes and
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you admonished your son saying you're the one who's broke,
and I'm paraphrasing, but basically said, you're the one who's broke.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I'm the movie star, I'm the one who's wealthy, got it.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
But I'm quite sure his son is used to getting
just about whatever he wants, because I know I would
have never had the dirty nerve to ask for even
one hundred dollars pair of shoes. I get it, it's relative.
He's a multi millionaire, but the child didn't even hesitate
to ask for a six thousand dollar pair of shoes,
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which meant in his mind it was a reasonable request.
So I'm not gonna rush and say that Ben Affleck
is the father of the Year or he did something
special because he said, well, you have to mow a
lot of lawns for those sneakers, because his son does
not mow the lawn at all and will never mow
a lawn. And it's insulting to think that his son
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is actually going to work for a pair of sneakers,
any pair four hundred dollars, six hundred dollars, or six
thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Don't play that game with me.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
It's interesting because I watch sometimes the celebrity sneaker haggling videos.
I think the very first one I saw was Jaden
Smith at one of these conventions Smith's son. He dropped
a whole lot of money on some shoes. There's one
with ti son where he's gambling. I think he put
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up six thousand or something on a pair of sneakers,
and I think I thought to myself, this can't be real.
But then I start researching. Yes, this is very, very real.
From my understanding, this is also not uncommon there. It's
actually so common that the idea of Ben Affleck taking
his son there to a place where most every shoe
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there will be above and beyond the cost of a
normal pair of sneakers, but already flies in the face
of the gefying blocking at six thousand dollars. Just like
you knew what you were walking into. Why did you
take your son to a place where only extravagant, one
of a kind sneakers are sold to make that camera
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moment happen. That's the only reason.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I'm like, I don't know, dog, And if you were
actually paying attention, his son already had two bags of
shoes in his hand, so they spent a couple grand
at least.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Okay, it isn't foot locker.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
No, no, this is where exclusives are sold. They don't
have just a regular sneaker section. No go find No,
it's it's not you know, the fashion district. It's collectibles,
it's what offs.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
So okay, they said no to six thousand with a
camera staring at them. Six thousand dollars, But as far
as I know, they might have already spent six thousand
dollars in the bags that they already had in their hands,
because not only did they interview Ben Affleck, they interviewed
his son. I'm quite sure Ben Affleck is media savvy
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enough to know this is probably a bad look if
my son buy six thousand dollars shoes right in front
of everyone and they're interviewing me. So let's not get
caught up in Oh Ben Affleck is father of the year. No no, no, no, no, no, no,
no no no, I can say confidently to this day,
and I can't speak for anyone else, but I can
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say for me, I don't think I have ever in
my life dress shoe or sneaker, purchased a shoe which
costs more than two hundred dollars. I can say that confidently.
And I remember when the Reebok pumps came out back
in the late eighties I think it was. And they
were the first i'll say exotic shoe. They had a
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pump where you'd pump up the tongue. It's supposed to
make you jump higher. Yeah right, And that was one
hundred and seventy dollars, And that was like ridiculous back then.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
That would have been like a six hundred dollars shoe. Today,
you can't.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Even find basketball shoes for like a real basketball shoes
for other under one hundred and fifty dollars.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
No.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
No, And I still haven't purchased a shoe over two
hundred dollars. And I need him for you know, basketball officiating.
The idea of a six thousand dollars shoe, No, the
idea of a thousand dollars shoe for a child, a
minor makes no friking sense. And just because Ben Affleck
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didn't buy a six dollars thousand dollars pair of shoes
for his child, he's not Father of the Year. He
was just aware of the camera because he spent at
least two to three thousand dollars on the shoes that
his kid was holding in that video.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Yeah, not fooled. Oh.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
And also to be serious, we have been following that
situation at Lomelinda Hospital. The last information update that we
had is that the hospital has been cleared, it has
been evacuated, and there has been no actual threat which
was found or deemed. So everyone is safe and everyone
has been evacuated from the hospital. If there should be
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more information which should change the direction of that story,
will be sure to let you know. It's Later with
mo Kelly caf I AM six forty Live everywhere on
the iHeartRadio app. When we come back, we have an
in Vogue remember that group from the nineties.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
In Vogue update.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Don Robinson, one of the singers of in Vogue, revealed
on social media that she's been living in her car
for several years.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
We'll tell you about that next.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
In Vogue their song hold On Without a doubt, their
biggest hit. It was the beginning of a career which
led to twenty million records sold worldwide. Big deal, Big
big deal. I remember seeing them when I was in college.
Don Robinson, one of the members of in Vogue, is
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not singing anymore. She had dropped off as far as
public view, she dropped out of public view. I remember
when I first started my radio career and I was
on KTLKAM eleven fifty.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
She did come on the air with us.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
She's always been a little bit enigmatic, different, if you will,
and she dropped off the scene.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Well now, she.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Used her phone to record a video and she made
the admission that she had been living in her car
for the past three years. And this is not the
whole video, but she said she was afraid to let
people know what was going on with her because she
was afraid of being judged. So we're not gonna judge her,
but we're gonna help tell her story.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
You guys, for the past three almost three years, I
have been living in my car. I said it. Oh
my god, it's out. I've been living in my car.
Oh my gosh. If you remember, if you guys were
with me in twenty twenty, I did like one hundred
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and five thousand interviews, and in the interim, I was
living with my parents in Vegas and that was wonderful
until it wasn't. I love my mom, but she became
very angry, and a lot of her anger she was
taking out on me, and I was her target all
the time, and I was like, I can't deal with this.
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I respect her too much. I didn't understand it. I
still don't, and it hurt me. So I was just
trying to figure it out, but I couldn't. You can't
read someone else's mind. You can't figure them out. They
got to figure themselves out. So I was like, let
me get out of here. And I was sleeping in
my car for maybe about a month in Vegas, and
then the guy that was co managing me at the
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time was living in la and he said, you need
to come back to La.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
There's a lot to unpack there.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Not exactly sure where her focus is, but there's a
lot to unpack there. She started with, I'm living in
a car and then want to blame her mother for
I guess issues with her mother and that's why she
was living in a car. But there's a lot that
I can glean from her story, if only because she's
not the first and definitely not the last to have stardom,
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arguably super stardom and then end up basically homeless. I
do know in Vogue and the music that I played
for you, they didn't write any of their music, meaning
at most they only had performance rights. When that music
was played on the radio, they weren't getting paid for that.
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If that music was used in a commercial, they weren't
getting paid for that. They were getting paid for their
performances when they would do live events or they're touring.
That's why you often see older artists touring almost up
until the day they die. They may not have the
publishing rights, the songwriter royalties, ownership of the song, so
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they could make money while they sleep.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
T Well, you know this business.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
As well as I do, and I'm not going to
speculate as far as some of the underlying issues, but
I will say that her story is not different from
a lot of other artists know.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Her story is one of I mean countless stories. This
goes for any artists that you know, any recording artists.
If they are not writing songs, if they are not
actually producing I mean getting a production song credit on
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that album, and all they're doing is performing, they will
be like Billy Joel, who you recently saw on stage
performing and falling down. Not a knock against Billy Joel, Hell,
not a knock against Rod Stewart or anyone. Most of
these artists you see performing until they are well into
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their retirement. They are performing because that is the only
source of income they will get. Many of them are
even licensing the rights to perform their own music.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
And there are some artists who may get some songwriter's credits,
but depending on how the deal was written, they may
not get full writing credit, and they may not get
the full benefit of writing that song.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Even still, when it comes to the royalties, meaning the
money you make off of every time a song is
played on a radio, in the karaoke club, on a cruise,
in the nightclub, in a movie, money is paid out
to artists each and every time that intellectual property is used.
If the artist is only getting five cents off of
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each time it's played, they are not surviving off that.
That is why they are performing again and again and again.
The number of artists that I personally know of that
have gone on major tours, gone on to sell millions
of albums, who are broken penniless right now, right now
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as we speak, it is amazing.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Typically what a music industry, what a music label will
do is so hire a young group and they'll give
them a three album deal. That's what they did back
in the day, the three album deal is one they
know that you're a new group. You don't have any leverags.
You can't ask for anything. You can't demand anything because
you never sold anything. How can you say I want
to own my masters you can't. How can I say
I want a songwriting credit. It's like no, no, no,
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they're not going to give that to you. So you
sign a bad deal. You might hit it big, like
TLC for example, and sell tens of millions of records,
and you will still not really make any money. I
don't want to get too deep into points on an album,
but points are like how many cents you get each
time an album when they used to sell albums was sold.
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Let's say, and if you had only five points an album,
you maybe get thirty five cents on an eighteen dollars CD.
That's how little you're making. And what happens is the
record label they'll give you an advance and maybe a
million dollars so you can film your music video, which
they did back then, or you're paying for your touring,
so you go on your tour, you can go around
the world, and all that money is still owed back
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to the record label. So after you sell those eighteen
million albums or however many, the record label says, okay,
you're now stars. Now pay us back for all this
that we did for you to make you stars. So
you have to pay back the record label. You have
to pay your lawyer, you have to pay your manager,
you have to pay for that video, that billion dollar
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video that you had filmed. And ultimately the artist always
gets paid last, which may be I don't, let's say
one hundred thousand dollars even though you've made some eighteen
million dollars for the record label. That's how they end
up broke. And then at the end of that three
album deal, if you're not a superstar, they could just
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release you from your deal and then they'll find the
next girl group of the next hot thing which is
coming along, and get them to sign a horrible deal. Now,
if you someone like Mariah Carey and you turn into
a worldwide superstar, when you renegotiate your second album, second deal,
your next three albums or so, then you have more power,
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more leverage, and hopefully you know more and you can
actually make more money. But more times than not, you're
already discarded at the end of that first three album deal.
We have more to say about this and Don Robinson
in just a moment.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on Demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Last segment, we were talking about Don Robinson of in
Vogue and how she ended up living in her car
for three years after in Vogue, the group that she
was singing with sold more than eighteen million dollars worldwide,
and it led to a discussion led by me and
Taula about, oh, this is relatively common regardless of the person.
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It's not always about the person and their decisions. It's
about how the business is set up where it is
not meant for people to succeed, it's meant for the
label to succeed. And if you're only let's say, if
you're under the age of forty, you may not remember
what it was like back in the day. Back in
the day, number one, there was no internet. Also, the
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only way that you could get a song heard by
anyone was on the radio. The only people who had
connections to get songs in a radio with the record labels.
The only place that you could buy someone's music was
in a store of Talking about warehouse, Sam Goodie Tower Records,
Music Land. The only way that you could get access
or get shelf space is through the record label who
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had those distribution agreements. So the only way that you're
going to become a music star was through the big
music labels, not even the independent ones, because they didn't
have access to the shelf space. In Vogue story is
like many others where they may have sold millions of
albums but ended up with nothing. And so I think
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in Vogue is still touring now the remaining members, because
that's about the only way they have the performance rights
and those relatives where they have the legal right to
perform as in Vogue and perform their music. And if
you do ten or eleven gigs a year at twenty
thousand a gig, you can maintain your lifestyle. You can
make a living, but you'll have to do that in
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perpetuity because there is no health plan for the music industry.
There is no pension, there is no long term disability.
You have to keep yourself on that hamster wheel presumably
for the rest of your life, or find some other
way to make a living. There are other artists who've
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managed to do it to While you were saying off air,
and I'm not going to take it from you. But
you know the history of Destiny's Child and Beyonce very well,
and if you knew the first iteration of Beyonce, they're
not around anymore.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
No, no, they're not. They're not, and they are not
doing anywhere near as well as even Kelly Rowland because
they were hired singers, their hired talent, and without that
touring and without that access to the label and all
of that, all of those things fell apart. It's not
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unique to Destiny's Child, it's not unique to anyone. It
is just what happens within the music industry written large.
This is what they get into. You may or may
not remember the story of Tony Brats, who had sold
millions and millions and millions of records and also found
herself in a position where she was essentially broke because
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she's found bankruptcy at least three times, three times because
of it's not just being a musician, being a star
and all that. That's fine, But if all you know
is singing, and you may not know the music business,
if you may not know how to take care of
your business, then you will find yourself in these positions
these artists nowadays, they are on the next level of
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savvy that didn't exist. The knowledge that these artists have
now didn't exist when artists like in Vogue were signed.
The knowledge that Taylor Swift has, Beyonce has, Billie Eilish,
all these artists who have taken control of their destiny
and taken the music in their own hands.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
That this wasn't even available. Well, legally they are able
to do it. And also.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
The music labels don't control all the means production and distribution.
Beyonce can go to her home studio, crank out an
album by herself and distribute it via the Internet and
still sell millions of you know, streams or downloads at
this point.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
This is what platforms like Spotify and the like have
done for various artists. They don't have to worry about
having a whole album to tune in anymore. They can
just crank out singles and this is what they can
do to just constantly just stay relevant, stay out there,
and have something going on. It's a different game now.
So when I first saw this story about don Vogue,
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and I don't think anyone who is familiar with in
Vogue or the story even maybe those who know a
little bit more on the inside about what may be
happening with Dawn. This is not a laughing matter. This
is something where even though she says she did not
post this for pity, she's not looking for a pity
or people to feel sorry for her. She says that
she likes living in the Carli. She's looking at like
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an adventure. God bless this is just yet another look
at what happens behind the scenes, look taking you behind
the curtain at what this life that so many coved
is really really like.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
I know that the business is different now than when
I was in it, when Tuala was in it. As
far as how it works, how it ruins people has
not changed. The amount of money which is involved, the
amount of sexism which is involved, the amount of objectification
which is involved, the mistreatment of women, that has not changed.
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And goes back to another conversation we had when we
had the Me Too movement and Twola and I said, oh,
just wait till you get to the music industry. You know,
you can talk about Harvey Weinstein all you want, and
Matt Lauer or whomever else. Wait till you get to
the music industry. There's a lot more to happen. Then
you started hearing about the p ditties of the world,
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the Arca Kelly and whomever else. The music business is
so dirty in so many ways. People don't know. We only,
for the most part, see the stardom. We only see
the glamour and the glitz. But the underside is worse
than most people have any idea, and it's probably even
worse than that. It's Later with mo Kelly KFI AM
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six forty Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app and speaking
of the music industry, were gonna tell you about Wango
Tangle when we come back.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Sorry, that was a hard turn, but you know we
had to do it.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty Iheartradios.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
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Speaker 2 (22:40):
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Wngo Tango's all star lineup will feature performances by Dojha,
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psichers A, two oh May, Hearts to Hearts plus performing
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at Sunset As the Sun Goes Down, Orange Counties own
Gwen Stefani. Tickets are going on sale Friday, as in
this Friday, March fourteenth, at ten am at AXS dot com.
When Stefani cool person, one of the few I actually
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like in this business. Get a chance to meet her. Yeah,
cool person. He worked with her correct at Interscope, yep, yep.
And that's one thing going back to a conversation talking
about the music business, it's it's weird because you have
these people who are super famous and then you get
to see them just chilling because they would come through
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the label I don't know, any number of times of
the course of the year, maybe they're doing a particular
event that coming to meet with the executives to talk
about something with the album, songs going to include or
exclude for the album, and you get to see see
them in a very very non celebrity way, and you
get a real good sense of who they are and
who they're not. Who is a genuinely decent person and
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who's just an a hole.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
You get to see it all. I was gonna say, so,
that's where you can really see the actual character. Oh yes,
of a singer, actor, or whatever.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yeah, because you see them enough, and depending on how
long that person has been with the label, you may
have seen that person before they even became a star.
So you get to interact with them in a way
that most people don't. It's almost like you're a parent
to them. You brought them up. In the business. You
have a very close relationship with a lot of the artists,
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depending on your capacity. When I was working in promotions,
there are a lot of times that I would help
provide tour support.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Arts are coming town.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
They go to the different radio stations and they usually
assign someone from the label to go with him, hurt
or them, so they do their various interviews. True story,
Twalla Sharp was there. One of the best times I
had And I think he knows the story I'm going
to tell. I had to do tour support with Janet Jackson.
We went to the beat and I was in control
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of all the photos and who got to talk to
Janet and take them to all the DJs so she
could do her interviews. Oh, that was big stuff back then.
It was fun. That was a major, huge, he was huge.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
That was a major.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
That was a major, or you have DJs come in
for listening parties where we would play the album in advance,
where they give the d DJ's vinyl back then so
they could hear it and start promoting it and start
playing it what they call in the mix, so you
could you know, they would start to bubble up and
there would be a story behind it. People start requesting
it good stuff. So to answer your question, yes, you
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get to know artists in a different way and you
get to see that they're just people. Some are great,
some are not great at all. And it's true, fame
reveals who you are. It will magnify who you are.
If you are a decent person, that will come out
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after you're famous. If you're not, God help us all
because that comes out as well.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
I think some of the biggest artists that I've met,
of them, the ones that you would never imagine in
a million years, were the absolute coolest.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
You know.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
When I met the notorious Big just right before he passed,
I thought he was going to be the worst, and
he was quite possibly one of the most down to earth, humble,
cool guys I had ever met. And this is at
the height, this is this is what the biggest representative
the worst represent in the world, and he would it
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was just him, his best friend, and that was it.
They came by themselves. They actually told the drivers to
stay downstairs. They just came up to the station by themselves.
They were like, we're regular people. We don't need security
our work life. That's not what we do like this,
this is a radio station. Why would we need all
that at a radio station. It's like, they're cool as
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a fan. But then he had some people who were
brand new similacle on their breath and they came in
acting as if their poop didn't stink.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yeah, there's a comedian who I believe never hit his
heights because he was so much of a jerk. And
I have no problem talking about it because he was
a jerk to me and he was a jerk to everyone.
I was working at Warner Brothers Records, And should I
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should I say who it is? Should I say who
it is? What do we do about this comedian? He's
not as funny as he thinks he is. I'm trying
to think he had a bit part in Armageddon at
the very beginning.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Let me see, let me look at his IMDb.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Oh wow, he had a commercial for a while with
Burt Reynolds. They were like the Knights of the Square
Table football commercial. His career never really took off. He
just thought he was a lot funnier than he was
and he was a complete a hole to me when
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I was doing tour support. He was doing tour support
for a comedy album. He was in Deuce Bigelow, Male Jiggielow. No,
I'm not talking about Rob Schneider. He was on this
show Robin's Cool, had a bit role and the Star
is Born. I'm saying he's a lot of bit roles.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
I'm trying to think if he was any in any
big movie. He was in Black Dynamite. Oh so he's
a big player. He's a big player. And if you
know he was in Orbit, you would know him. I'll
probably say his name right before the segment's over. It's
just he was on Chappelle's show. He did episode with
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that scary movie three Undercover Brother. He had a big
part in Undercover Brother. You know this TV series Malcolm
and Eddie.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Yeah, he was the Eddie.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
And I'm not talking about Eddie Murphy. Eddie Murphy's actually funny.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
Oh okay, I think I figured it out, I would hope,
so I gave a huge clue. Well, yeah, look, there's
let me be honest, there's certain people I don't care.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
They will never be on a show with me. And
I only spent one day with that person and never again.
He was just dis respectful to the point where you
ever see someone like I don't want to root for them.
It's okay if something bad happens to them in a
career sense. That's the way I feel about that particular Eddie.
And it ain't Murphy. I should say his name, shouldn't I.
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I know people listening says.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Day, says date saysday. You know people are yelling right now.
Eddie Griffin is not worth the time of day. It's
never going to be on the show. Go look that up.
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Ben Affleck is back in the news and it has
nothing to do with j LO. That has nothing to
do with his ex wife Jennifer Garner, who has three
children with It has to do with him being a
father though. And there is a video which has gone viral.
The audio is not very good, so that's why I'm
(00:28):
not playing for you. But it shows Ben Affleck and
his son at a sneaker convention and his son is
going googa gaga over some sneakers that he wants, and
it's revealed that the cost of the sneakers is six
thousand dollars. Ben Affleck responds to his son saying, oh,
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that's a lot of lawns, basically saying you'd have to
mow a lot of lawns for his son to be
able to buy them and earn those sneakers. And the
general public is saying, Bravo, bravo, Ben Affleck, bravo for
teaching your son the value of money and not just
giving him everything that he wants. And I want to
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take it in a different direction because Ben Affleck saying
no to six thousand dollars sneakers on that one occasion
when he knows that there's a camera in his face
watching him and his son, to me, is not a
big deal. If his son were to believe, and he
did believe that Dad might buy him the six thousand
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dollars sneakers, that says to me that Dad probably has
purchased two, three and four thousand dollars sneakers. And if
you've ever been to a sneaker convention or know what
goes on there, they're all sorts of exotics and one
offs and specialties. And you know a lot of celebrities
will go to these sneaker conventions and they will pay
top dollar for these limited editions, special edition type sneakers,
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and dollars for a pair of sneakers is not unusual.
It's high, but not unusual when a lot of these
are collector's items. It's nice that Ben Affleck told his
son no, but let's keep it real, just because you
said no to six thousand dollar pair of shoes and
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you admonished your son saying you're the one who's broke,
and I'm paraphrasing, but basically said, you're the one who's broke.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I'm the movie star, I'm the one who's wealthy, got it.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
But I'm quite sure his son is used to getting
just about whatever he wants, because I know I would
have never had the dirty nerve to ask for even
one hundred dollars pair of shoes. I get it, it's relative.
He's a multi millionaire, but the child didn't even hesitate
to ask for a six thousand dollar pair of shoes,
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which meant in his mind it was a reasonable request.
So I'm not gonna rush and say that Ben Affleck
is the father of the Year or he did something
special because he said, well, you have to mow a
lot of lawns for those sneakers, because his son does
not mow the lawn at all and will never mow
a lawn. And it's insulting to think that his son
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is actually going to work for a pair of sneakers,
any pair four hundred dollars, six hundred dollars, or six
thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Don't play that game with me.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
It's interesting because I watch sometimes the celebrity sneaker haggling videos.
I think the very first one I saw was Jaden
Smith at one of these conventions Smith's son. He dropped
a whole lot of money on some shoes. There's one
with ti son where he's gambling. I think he put
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up six thousand or something on a pair of sneakers,
and I think I thought to myself, this can't be real.
But then I start researching. Yes, this is very, very real.
From my understanding, this is also not uncommon there. It's
actually so common that the idea of Ben Affleck taking
his son there to a place where most every shoe
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there will be above and beyond the cost of a
normal pair of sneakers, but already flies in the face
of the gefying blocking at six thousand dollars. Just like
you knew what you were walking into. Why did you
take your son to a place where only extravagant, one
of a kind sneakers are sold to make that camera
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moment happen. That's the only reason.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I'm like, I don't know, dog, And if you were
actually paying attention, his son already had two bags of
shoes in his hand, so they spent a couple grand
at least.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Okay, it isn't foot locker.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
No, no, this is where exclusives are sold. They don't
have just a regular sneaker section. No go find No,
it's it's not you know, the fashion district. It's collectibles,
it's what offs.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
So okay, they said no to six thousand with a
camera staring at them. Six thousand dollars, But as far
as I know, they might have already spent six thousand
dollars in the bags that they already had in their hands,
because not only did they interview Ben Affleck, they interviewed
his son. I'm quite sure Ben Affleck is media savvy
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enough to know this is probably a bad look if
my son buy six thousand dollars shoes right in front
of everyone and they're interviewing me. So let's not get
caught up in Oh Ben Affleck is father of the year. No no, no, no, no, no, no,
no no no, I can say confidently to this day,
and I can't speak for anyone else, but I can
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say for me, I don't think I have ever in
my life dress shoe or sneaker, purchased a shoe which
costs more than two hundred dollars. I can say that confidently.
And I remember when the Reebok pumps came out back
in the late eighties I think it was. And they
were the first i'll say exotic shoe. They had a
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pump where you'd pump up the tongue. It's supposed to
make you jump higher. Yeah right, And that was one
hundred and seventy dollars, And that was like ridiculous back then.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
That would have been like a six hundred dollars shoe. Today,
you can't.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Even find basketball shoes for like a real basketball shoes
for other under one hundred and fifty dollars.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
No.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
No, And I still haven't purchased a shoe over two
hundred dollars. And I need him for you know, basketball officiating.
The idea of a six thousand dollars shoe, No, the
idea of a thousand dollars shoe for a child, a
minor makes no friking sense. And just because Ben Affleck
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didn't buy a six dollars thousand dollars pair of shoes
for his child, he's not Father of the Year. He
was just aware of the camera because he spent at
least two to three thousand dollars on the shoes that
his kid was holding in that video.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Yeah, not fooled. Oh.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
And also to be serious, we have been following that
situation at Lomelinda Hospital. The last information update that we
had is that the hospital has been cleared, it has
been evacuated, and there has been no actual threat which
was found or deemed. So everyone is safe and everyone
has been evacuated from the hospital. If there should be
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more information which should change the direction of that story,
will be sure to let you know. It's Later with
mo Kelly caf I AM six forty Live everywhere on
the iHeartRadio app. When we come back, we have an
in Vogue remember that group from the nineties.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
In Vogue update.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Don Robinson, one of the singers of in Vogue, revealed
on social media that she's been living in her car
for several years.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
We'll tell you about that next.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
In Vogue their song hold On Without a doubt, their
biggest hit. It was the beginning of a career which
led to twenty million records sold worldwide. Big deal, Big
big deal. I remember seeing them when I was in college.
Don Robinson, one of the members of in Vogue, is
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not singing anymore. She had dropped off as far as
public view, she dropped out of public view. I remember
when I first started my radio career and I was
on KTLKAM eleven fifty.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
She did come on the air with us.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
She's always been a little bit enigmatic, different, if you will,
and she dropped off the scene.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Well now, she.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Used her phone to record a video and she made
the admission that she had been living in her car
for the past three years. And this is not the
whole video, but she said she was afraid to let
people know what was going on with her because she
was afraid of being judged. So we're not gonna judge her,
but we're gonna help tell her story.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
You guys, for the past three almost three years, I
have been living in my car. I said it. Oh
my god, it's out. I've been living in my car.
Oh my gosh. If you remember, if you guys were
with me in twenty twenty, I did like one hundred
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and five thousand interviews, and in the interim, I was
living with my parents in Vegas and that was wonderful
until it wasn't. I love my mom, but she became
very angry, and a lot of her anger she was
taking out on me, and I was her target all
the time, and I was like, I can't deal with this.
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I respect her too much. I didn't understand it. I
still don't, and it hurt me. So I was just
trying to figure it out, but I couldn't. You can't
read someone else's mind. You can't figure them out. They
got to figure themselves out. So I was like, let
me get out of here. And I was sleeping in
my car for maybe about a month in Vegas, and
then the guy that was co managing me at the
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time was living in la and he said, you need
to come back to La.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
There's a lot to unpack there.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Not exactly sure where her focus is, but there's a
lot to unpack there. She started with, I'm living in
a car and then want to blame her mother for
I guess issues with her mother and that's why she
was living in a car. But there's a lot that
I can glean from her story, if only because she's
not the first and definitely not the last to have stardom,
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arguably super stardom and then end up basically homeless. I
do know in Vogue and the music that I played
for you, they didn't write any of their music, meaning
at most they only had performance rights. When that music
was played on the radio, they weren't getting paid for that.
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If that music was used in a commercial, they weren't
getting paid for that. They were getting paid for their
performances when they would do live events or they're touring.
That's why you often see older artists touring almost up
until the day they die. They may not have the
publishing rights, the songwriter royalties, ownership of the song, so
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they could make money while they sleep.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
T Well, you know this business.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
As well as I do, and I'm not going to
speculate as far as some of the underlying issues, but
I will say that her story is not different from
a lot of other artists know.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Her story is one of I mean countless stories. This
goes for any artists that you know, any recording artists.
If they are not writing songs, if they are not
actually producing I mean getting a production song credit on
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that album, and all they're doing is performing, they will
be like Billy Joel, who you recently saw on stage
performing and falling down. Not a knock against Billy Joel, Hell,
not a knock against Rod Stewart or anyone. Most of
these artists you see performing until they are well into
(12:29):
their retirement. They are performing because that is the only
source of income they will get. Many of them are
even licensing the rights to perform their own music.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
And there are some artists who may get some songwriter's credits,
but depending on how the deal was written, they may
not get full writing credit, and they may not get
the full benefit of writing that song.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Even still, when it comes to the royalties, meaning the
money you make off of every time a song is
played on a radio, in the karaoke club, on a cruise,
in the nightclub, in a movie, money is paid out
to artists each and every time that intellectual property is used.
If the artist is only getting five cents off of
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each time it's played, they are not surviving off that.
That is why they are performing again and again and again.
The number of artists that I personally know of that
have gone on major tours, gone on to sell millions
of albums, who are broken penniless right now, right now
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as we speak, it is amazing.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Typically what a music industry, what a music label will
do is so hire a young group and they'll give
them a three album deal. That's what they did back
in the day, the three album deal is one they
know that you're a new group. You don't have any leverags.
You can't ask for anything. You can't demand anything because
you never sold anything. How can you say I want
to own my masters you can't. How can I say
I want a songwriting credit. It's like no, no, no,
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they're not going to give that to you. So you
sign a bad deal. You might hit it big, like
TLC for example, and sell tens of millions of records,
and you will still not really make any money. I
don't want to get too deep into points on an album,
but points are like how many cents you get each
time an album when they used to sell albums was sold.
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Let's say, and if you had only five points an album,
you maybe get thirty five cents on an eighteen dollars CD.
That's how little you're making. And what happens is the
record label they'll give you an advance and maybe a
million dollars so you can film your music video, which
they did back then, or you're paying for your touring,
so you go on your tour, you can go around
the world, and all that money is still owed back
(14:44):
to the record label. So after you sell those eighteen
million albums or however many, the record label says, okay,
you're now stars. Now pay us back for all this
that we did for you to make you stars. So
you have to pay back the record label. You have
to pay your lawyer, you have to pay your manager,
you have to pay for that video, that billion dollar
(15:04):
video that you had filmed. And ultimately the artist always
gets paid last, which may be I don't, let's say
one hundred thousand dollars even though you've made some eighteen
million dollars for the record label. That's how they end
up broke. And then at the end of that three
album deal, if you're not a superstar, they could just
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release you from your deal and then they'll find the
next girl group of the next hot thing which is
coming along, and get them to sign a horrible deal. Now,
if you someone like Mariah Carey and you turn into
a worldwide superstar, when you renegotiate your second album, second deal,
your next three albums or so, then you have more power,
(15:45):
more leverage, and hopefully you know more and you can
actually make more money. But more times than not, you're
already discarded at the end of that first three album deal.
We have more to say about this and Don Robinson
in just a moment.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on Demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Last segment, we were talking about Don Robinson of in
Vogue and how she ended up living in her car
for three years after in Vogue, the group that she
was singing with sold more than eighteen million dollars worldwide,
and it led to a discussion led by me and
Taula about, oh, this is relatively common regardless of the person.
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It's not always about the person and their decisions. It's
about how the business is set up where it is
not meant for people to succeed, it's meant for the
label to succeed. And if you're only let's say, if
you're under the age of forty, you may not remember
what it was like back in the day. Back in
the day, number one, there was no internet. Also, the
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only way that you could get a song heard by
anyone was on the radio. The only people who had
connections to get songs in a radio with the record labels.
The only place that you could buy someone's music was
in a store of Talking about warehouse, Sam Goodie Tower Records,
Music Land. The only way that you could get access
or get shelf space is through the record label who
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had those distribution agreements. So the only way that you're
going to become a music star was through the big
music labels, not even the independent ones, because they didn't
have access to the shelf space. In Vogue story is
like many others where they may have sold millions of
albums but ended up with nothing. And so I think
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in Vogue is still touring now the remaining members, because
that's about the only way they have the performance rights
and those relatives where they have the legal right to
perform as in Vogue and perform their music. And if
you do ten or eleven gigs a year at twenty
thousand a gig, you can maintain your lifestyle. You can
make a living, but you'll have to do that in
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perpetuity because there is no health plan for the music industry.
There is no pension, there is no long term disability.
You have to keep yourself on that hamster wheel presumably
for the rest of your life, or find some other
way to make a living. There are other artists who've
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managed to do it to While you were saying off air,
and I'm not going to take it from you. But
you know the history of Destiny's Child and Beyonce very well,
and if you knew the first iteration of Beyonce, they're
not around anymore.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
No, no, they're not. They're not, and they are not
doing anywhere near as well as even Kelly Rowland because
they were hired singers, their hired talent, and without that
touring and without that access to the label and all
of that, all of those things fell apart. It's not
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unique to Destiny's Child, it's not unique to anyone. It
is just what happens within the music industry written large.
This is what they get into. You may or may
not remember the story of Tony Brats, who had sold
millions and millions and millions of records and also found
herself in a position where she was essentially broke because
(19:09):
she's found bankruptcy at least three times, three times because
of it's not just being a musician, being a star
and all that. That's fine, But if all you know
is singing, and you may not know the music business,
if you may not know how to take care of
your business, then you will find yourself in these positions
these artists nowadays, they are on the next level of
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savvy that didn't exist. The knowledge that these artists have
now didn't exist when artists like in Vogue were signed.
The knowledge that Taylor Swift has, Beyonce has, Billie Eilish,
all these artists who have taken control of their destiny
and taken the music in their own hands.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
That this wasn't even available. Well, legally they are able
to do it. And also.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
The music labels don't control all the means production and distribution.
Beyonce can go to her home studio, crank out an
album by herself and distribute it via the Internet and
still sell millions of you know, streams or downloads at
this point.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
This is what platforms like Spotify and the like have
done for various artists. They don't have to worry about
having a whole album to tune in anymore. They can
just crank out singles and this is what they can
do to just constantly just stay relevant, stay out there,
and have something going on. It's a different game now.
So when I first saw this story about don Vogue,
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and I don't think anyone who is familiar with in
Vogue or the story even maybe those who know a
little bit more on the inside about what may be
happening with Dawn. This is not a laughing matter. This
is something where even though she says she did not
post this for pity, she's not looking for a pity
or people to feel sorry for her. She says that
she likes living in the Carli. She's looking at like
(21:01):
an adventure. God bless this is just yet another look
at what happens behind the scenes, look taking you behind
the curtain at what this life that so many coved
is really really like.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
I know that the business is different now than when
I was in it, when Tuala was in it. As
far as how it works, how it ruins people has
not changed. The amount of money which is involved, the
amount of sexism which is involved, the amount of objectification
which is involved, the mistreatment of women, that has not changed.
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And goes back to another conversation we had when we
had the Me Too movement and Twola and I said, oh,
just wait till you get to the music industry. You know,
you can talk about Harvey Weinstein all you want, and
Matt Lauer or whomever else. Wait till you get to
the music industry. There's a lot more to happen. Then
you started hearing about the p ditties of the world,
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the Arca Kelly and whomever else. The music business is
so dirty in so many ways. People don't know. We only,
for the most part, see the stardom. We only see
the glamour and the glitz. But the underside is worse
than most people have any idea, and it's probably even
worse than that. It's Later with mo Kelly KFI AM
(22:23):
six forty Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app and speaking
of the music industry, were gonna tell you about Wango
Tangle when we come back.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Sorry, that was a hard turn, but you know we
had to do it.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty Iheartradios.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Wango Tango is returning to Southern California and it's.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Headed to the Beach Live May tenth at Huntington City Beach.
Wngo Tango's all star lineup will feature performances by Dojha,
Cat Megan, Trainer, David Guetta, Getta, Kat's Eye in Mix,
psichers A, two oh May, Hearts to Hearts plus performing
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at Sunset As the Sun Goes Down, Orange Counties own
Gwen Stefani. Tickets are going on sale Friday, as in
this Friday, March fourteenth, at ten am at AXS dot com.
When Stefani cool person, one of the few I actually
(23:25):
like in this business. Get a chance to meet her. Yeah,
cool person. He worked with her correct at Interscope, yep, yep.
And that's one thing going back to a conversation talking
about the music business, it's it's weird because you have
these people who are super famous and then you get
to see them just chilling because they would come through
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the label I don't know, any number of times of
the course of the year, maybe they're doing a particular
event that coming to meet with the executives to talk
about something with the album, songs going to include or
exclude for the album, and you get to see see
them in a very very non celebrity way, and you
get a real good sense of who they are and
who they're not. Who is a genuinely decent person and
(24:11):
who's just an a hole.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
You get to see it all. I was gonna say, so,
that's where you can really see the actual character. Oh yes,
of a singer, actor, or whatever.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yeah, because you see them enough, and depending on how
long that person has been with the label, you may
have seen that person before they even became a star.
So you get to interact with them in a way
that most people don't. It's almost like you're a parent
to them. You brought them up. In the business. You
have a very close relationship with a lot of the artists,
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depending on your capacity. When I was working in promotions,
there are a lot of times that I would help
provide tour support.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Arts are coming town.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
They go to the different radio stations and they usually
assign someone from the label to go with him, hurt
or them, so they do their various interviews. True story,
Twalla Sharp was there. One of the best times I
had And I think he knows the story I'm going
to tell. I had to do tour support with Janet Jackson.
We went to the beat and I was in control
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of all the photos and who got to talk to
Janet and take them to all the DJs so she
could do her interviews. Oh, that was big stuff back then.
It was fun. That was a major, huge, he was huge.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
That was a major.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
That was a major, or you have DJs come in
for listening parties where we would play the album in advance,
where they give the d DJ's vinyl back then so
they could hear it and start promoting it and start
playing it what they call in the mix, so you
could you know, they would start to bubble up and
there would be a story behind it. People start requesting
it good stuff. So to answer your question, yes, you
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get to know artists in a different way and you
get to see that they're just people. Some are great,
some are not great at all. And it's true, fame
reveals who you are. It will magnify who you are.
If you are a decent person, that will come out
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after you're famous. If you're not, God help us all
because that comes out as well.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
I think some of the biggest artists that I've met,
of them, the ones that you would never imagine in
a million years, were the absolute coolest.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
You know.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
When I met the notorious Big just right before he passed,
I thought he was going to be the worst, and
he was quite possibly one of the most down to earth, humble,
cool guys I had ever met. And this is at
the height, this is this is what the biggest representative
the worst represent in the world, and he would it
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was just him, his best friend, and that was it.
They came by themselves. They actually told the drivers to
stay downstairs. They just came up to the station by themselves.
They were like, we're regular people. We don't need security
our work life. That's not what we do like this,
this is a radio station. Why would we need all
that at a radio station. It's like, they're cool as
(27:09):
a fan. But then he had some people who were
brand new similacle on their breath and they came in
acting as if their poop didn't stink.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yeah, there's a comedian who I believe never hit his
heights because he was so much of a jerk. And
I have no problem talking about it because he was
a jerk to me and he was a jerk to everyone.
I was working at Warner Brothers Records, And should I
(27:37):
should I say who it is? Should I say who
it is? What do we do about this comedian? He's
not as funny as he thinks he is. I'm trying
to think he had a bit part in Armageddon at
the very beginning.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Let me see, let me look at his IMDb.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Oh wow, he had a commercial for a while with
Burt Reynolds. They were like the Knights of the Square
Table football commercial. His career never really took off. He
just thought he was a lot funnier than he was
and he was a complete a hole to me when
(28:16):
I was doing tour support. He was doing tour support
for a comedy album. He was in Deuce Bigelow, Male Jiggielow. No,
I'm not talking about Rob Schneider. He was on this
show Robin's Cool, had a bit role and the Star
is Born. I'm saying he's a lot of bit roles.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
I'm trying to think if he was any in any
big movie. He was in Black Dynamite. Oh so he's
a big player. He's a big player. And if you
know he was in Orbit, you would know him. I'll
probably say his name right before the segment's over. It's
just he was on Chappelle's show. He did episode with
(29:00):
that scary movie three Undercover Brother. He had a big
part in Undercover Brother. You know this TV series Malcolm
and Eddie.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Yeah, he was the Eddie.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
And I'm not talking about Eddie Murphy. Eddie Murphy's actually funny.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
Oh okay, I think I figured it out, I would hope,
so I gave a huge clue. Well, yeah, look, there's
let me be honest, there's certain people I don't care.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
They will never be on a show with me. And
I only spent one day with that person and never again.
He was just dis respectful to the point where you
ever see someone like I don't want to root for them.
It's okay if something bad happens to them in a
career sense. That's the way I feel about that particular Eddie.
And it ain't Murphy. I should say his name, shouldn't I.
(30:01):
I know people listening says.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Day, says date saysday. You know people are yelling right now.
Eddie Griffin is not worth the time of day. It's
never going to be on the show. Go look that up.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
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