February 15, 2025 • 34 mins
ICYMI: Hour Two of ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – Thoughts on Former Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa including the rights to all streaming services, including the Netflix account in his divorce settlement AND A look at the most valuable franchises in the NBA…PLUS - Mark Rahner has a review of the new Marvel Studios’ / ‘Marvel Cinematic Universe’ release “Captain America: Brave New World” in ‘The Rahner Report’ - on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Just trying to lubricate your evening, get you ready for
the nightcap on this Valentine's Day. Don't you dare shake
your head at me, Mark Runner, I AM six forty.
We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. And the unfortunate
truth of relationships. Sometimes they end prematurely, Sometimes they end badly.
Sometimes they end in divorce. And former LA mayor and
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present gubernatorial candidate and Tonio Viragosa just closed on his
divorce like closing on a house. It's done in the
divorce settlement, which is ending his seven year marriage. Damn,
I was married longer than him, this man. I know
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this is like wife number four eight something like that.
It's not his first wife, but this marriage only lasted
seven years. And in the settlement, Antonio via Ragosa agreed
to pay this ex wife now ex wife, five hundred
thousand dollars straight up flat feet instead of spousal support,
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and another one hundred thousand dollars for her attorneys and
forensic accounting fees and costs. Damn, that's six hundred thousand
dollars going out the door.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
What did he get returned?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Well, look, he got the knowledge that he should have
gotten a prenupt that's the first thing. And he got
to hold on to a home in Beverly Hills, So
clearly he wasn't hurting prior to this. He got to
keep a vovo and he got to keep his Netflix account.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
The home in Beverly Hills.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
I get it, the vovo maybe, but the Netflix account,
I have no idea what that is about. Are you
telling me that he actually put that, Yes, I'm telling
you he actually put that in the divorce proceedings as
assets that they're contesting. He actually wanted to hold on
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to the Netflix account. Stefan, is there something that I'm
missing as far as how a Netflix account can be
more or less valuable depending on who controls the password?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
I that's a shocker for me.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I mean, if you don't know, you don't know, because
I don't know, Twala, Do you know of how a
Netflix account can be more or less valuable depending on
who has control of the password?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Do you know how long it takes to craft your
Netflix so it only shows the suggestions that you want
to see versus anyone else? Who may set up an account.
I have that answer for that. You know how easy
it is. You can do it in about two days.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
What you do is you get your own Netflix account,
so there's nobody else with their profile. That's kind of
messing up the algorithm, and it'll just show you the stuff.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
That you like.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
I don't know, man, I feel my algorithm is really
really fine tuned and crafted.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Yeah. I get that.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
But you also have kids with profiles, aren't there on
your account?
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Yeah, okay, I see where you're going with this.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Yeah. I mean, so it took you a long time.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
Because you have other people, but they have their own profiles, right,
they have their own profiles, Yes.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
But I probably they probably don't always switch over now
they do, they do switch over. And I'm trying to
think if I still share my Netflix account with my
co parent yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, she has a profile too,
So I'm not sure you all have a special relationship,
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you and your co parent, your ex wife.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
You even share Netflix accounts?
Speaker 5 (03:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Oh, they let you get away with it. I mean,
like you didn't fight for it in the divorce. No,
I think it was it was you know what. The
songs like Cheaper, the keeper. It's like, look, just split
the account and we both put into it. It's like,
you know they all they did was increase the costs.
They're like, we know, because it's separate IP addresses, they're
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gonna pay an extra fight.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
On something that was gonna be my next question because
I was like they because they had a friend who
had mine, and that they can't use it anymore because
they cracked down on it.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Maybe it's with going back to and throwing you our
ghost So maybe he's just wanted to be petty. He
wants to be able to say that he got something
out of it. Maybe he just wanted to take the broomstick.
Maybe he wanted to take the flashlight in the kitchen
drawer and this was like that.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
And he wanted to say, yes, I beat you.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
You may have gotten six hundred thousand dollars out of me,
but damn it, I got a Netflix account, and every
time you open up your new Netflix account, you remember me.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Maybe maybe this ex wife is banned from Netflix. Maybe
she's done something that Netflix will never forgive and will
never allow her to get in an account.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Do you know how easy it is to get a
ghost account? Oh, you can get it in somebody's name
she has to have. Look, she has six hundred thousand
dollars now thanks to Antonio. I'm quite sure she can
buy her way into a new account. And she's probably
already seen someone else who's wealthy. She can use his
account because Antonio, who.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
I wish. That's who I wish. I could do that.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
It's actually something I had to practice when I was
learning Spanish in high school. We had to learn how
to roll our rs and there was some exercise would
you have to say like br r, but almost like
learning how to start the engine, and you'll start, you
keep practicing and you'll eventually that's it.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
That's pretty much. That's it.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Yeah, Yeah, okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna try that, Mysa,
because all, like I say, is Villa.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Well do you know the history behind his name?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
When I was working for Tavis Smiley, we interviewed him
and I had to pre interview him, and back then
people were not comfortable pronouncing his name, and so he
would always tell the same anecdote, Well, if you if
you're gonna pronounce my name, just say Via. Everyone knows
Via Rye like Rye bread and Gosa. You can call
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if you can't get it.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
That's fine.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
You call me whatever you want, just don't call me
late for dinner. He'd always tell that same story and
joke via rye gosa via. That's the angler anglicization of
the word via ragosa. But if you're going to put
an announced it in a Spanish is via and the
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Antonio has a soft tea. It's like and Tonio and
Tony abod.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
I'm guessing that.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I'm guessing that and Tonio probably felt that he won
the divorce settlement.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
That move just does sort of reek of twisting the knife,
doesn't it? It does does every time you hear that,
tell him you're gonna you're gonna hear.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
That was so politically incorrect, inappropriate and insulting, almost downright
damn near misogynists.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
I can't apologize enough to the start.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
But you know what's funny is like to to Mo's point, like,
because you're you're mister your petty Crocker, so I mean
recognized pet in another word, would you do something like that?
Do you think or do you think it's worth it?
Speaker 6 (08:03):
No?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
No, because if I'm Anthonio, yeah, I know that the
story's going to be carried everywhere. So they're going to
talk about the divorce settlement. Me my ego, I would
not want to put myself in a light where it
looks like, not only did I get taken to the cleaners,
but the only thing I have to celebrate is a
Netflix account.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
How does that make me look?
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Okay, you've already lost the money, don't lose face as well.
We also don't know what's what the details are, like
who who did what to whom?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
So you never know.
Speaker 6 (08:36):
It could be completely justified. But we don't know, I mean,
who cheated whatever.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Well, this is my educated guest, since from what we know,
she got a hell of a lot more than what
he got. He held on to some of his assets.
But since she was not his original wife, so it's
not like the case was made. I met him when
he had nothing. We developed all these assets together. I'm
title to half or whatever. She got a lot, meaning
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there was no prenup, which says to me, he did
something to ruin the relationship. She foled a divorce, She
got just about everything one hundred thousand dollars in just
lawyer's fees. Oh yeah, he lost, he lost. Well, we're
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talking about lawyers here, So that's what like six hours
of work. It may be billable hours, but the point
is if there's nothing here saying that she had to
pay it off his legal fees, so that says to
me she won.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
So I'm just deducing from what we know. So you're
like the Columbo of philandering something like that. Okay, something
like that. And it's Valentine's Day, so it's appropriate. It's
a lesson word to the wise, you know, and like
Twalla said, cheaper to keep her if I aim six
forty and Thronil be all that's twalleth. No, no, try
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with my name. Oh yeah, mock, you can't do it
with a single noble.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I don't like.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Let's go to the CAFI twenty four hour newsroom and Mark,
I take that back.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I didn't like the way that sounded. Forget about that.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
We hope that your Valentine's Day evening is going well
or at least warming up to the big event.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Maybe you're out at dinner or driving to dinner.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Maybe you're leaving dinner going to go to your next
destination in your Valentine's Day evening. Glad that we're on
in the car with you, hopefully pushing you in the
right direction, getting you in the mood. A little Rick
James can go a long way. Let me tell you
if you didn't know, let's say you don't follow sports,
it is now NBA All Star Weekend, and the All
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Star Game and weekend is taking place in San Francisco,
where the Golden State Warriors play. Came across this article
which talks about the most valuable in excuse me, NBA franchises,
and you can imagine there's a lot of interest around
the Los Angeles Lakers, and you think, well, where do
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the Lakers rank?
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Where do the Clippers rank? Do they rank at all?
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Well, here are the top ten valuations of NBA franchises,
and it might surprise you. Coming in at number ten
valued at five billion dollars, the Dallas Mavericks, where we
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just got Luka doncicz from, coming in at number nine,
value at five point one billion dollars, the Miami Heat.
As an aside, Elon Musk, he could afford buying every
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single team in both the NBA and the NFL. He
could afford every single team in both leagues if they
were for sale. Just want to put that out there.
Coming in at number eight. The most valuable franchises in
the NBA the Los Angeles Clippers, believe it or not,
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despite having no real success really and only in the
past few years have they had an owner who actually
tried to turn it into anything, they are now in
the top ten five point four billion dollars. And this
is this is numbers derived by the value of the
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venue in which you play, like you own your own
arena in this case into a dome. That really up
the valuation of the team. Yep, five point four billion
dollars for the Los Angeles Clippers. Who would have thought it.
Coming in at number seven. The Boston Celtics at five
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point five billion. And if you were to say, hey,
the Boston Celtics are worth about as much as the
LA Clippers, you would think no way, no way.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Boston Celtics have won eighteen championships.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
They're one of the most storied franchises in all of sports,
especially basketball.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
The Clippers have never even played in the championship. The
Clippers have been the laughing stock of the NBA for decades.
And they're worth about the same.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Boston just ever so slightly more coming in at number six,
the Brooklyn Nets at five point six billion dollars. Number five,
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the Houston Rockets valued at five point seven billion dollars.
Number four, your Chicago Bulls five point eight billion, and
I think a lot of that is predicated on the
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success and the attachment to Michael Jordan his name, and
that's about it, because there's nothing good about Chicago or
the Bulls. Coming in at number three, here you are
Los Angeles Lakers seven billion. Jumps up from four to three.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
Chicago Bulls five point eight billion, Los Angeles Lakers valued
at seven billion dollars and only number three.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Do you think, like, who could be worth more? Let's
find out or two? No surprise there.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
The New York Knicks, valued at seven point five billion dollars,
has always been one of the most valuable franchises in
the league. It's the number one media market and the Knicks,
even though they haven't been great throughout history, they've always
been one of the top draws in NBA history. We're
seven point five billion dollars. The owner is Madison Square
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Garden Sports and they own a number of teams and venues,
and I think, if I'm not mistaken, Madison Square Garden
Sports also owns either the Forum or the YouTube Theater,
but they own one of those venues out here. I
think it's the Forum, and coming in at number one,
the most valuable NBA franchise presently. Anybody got any ideas
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an he guesses. So you know it's not the Knicks.
You know, it's not the Lakers. You know it's not
the Bulls. So it would have to be a high
profile franchise, you think, right. I gave you a hint
at the very beginning, the Golden State Warriors with Steph Curry.
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That franchise. They just got a new arena, That's part
of the reason. But they're valued at nine point four
billion dollars, two point four billion dollars more than the Lakers,
and you would think, how is that possible. They don't
have the type of stature or profile the Lakers are
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known around the world in the way that most franchises
are not. They have the marquee players, They've always had
the marquee players, as evidenced by just getting Luka Doncic
a few days ago, a week ago. But the Golden
State Warriors now are the most valuable NBA franchise, and
that actually even surprised me because I didn't see how
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the Golden State Warriors were on the same level. Because
valuation includes the merchandise that you sell and all the
partnerships and sponsorships that you have. Golden State nine point
four billion dollars. It's later with mo Kelly. When we
come back, we have the run report, and then we'll
have the later with mo Kelly movie report. We're all
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going to talk about Captain America Brave New World. We
saw it last night after the show. I tell you
it was ill advised. Can't go to movies which start
at like twelve midnight. I have a special review of
your snoring during a portion.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Of the movie. Do you have heal like and us like?
Do you have any proof? I think I'm a trust
for Oh, it's hearsay. Take you the work.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
I'm an eyewitness. That's not hearsay. Next time, I'll break
out the phone and record it.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Well, that's what you should have done. Got me no proof,
you know what? That's right?
Speaker 6 (18:05):
I did.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
That's right. So there's no reason for anyone to believe you.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
You're listening to Later with Mo Kelly on demand from
KFI A M six forty.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Mark talks about pop culture, Ron and Report with Mark Ronner.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
It's Later with Mo Kelly on KF I am six
forty live everywhere on the iHeart app. I'm Mark Ronner
and it's the Runner Report this week Captain America Brave
New World First, my review, then a NERD free for
all with the crew. Maybe we'll hit each other with
folding chairs. That's right, the new movie with a red
Hulk and a black Captain America. Here's the trailer, gidding.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Me shot, gonna kill all the way?
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Does I feel.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
You know what?
Speaker 6 (19:21):
I think? I got the wrong trailer here. Garrett Morris
isn't in Captain America Brave New World.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Here?
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Maybe maybe this is the right one.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
You asked for me.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Here I am you want to help me? Is there
anything you remember, Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the
United States? That is wrongs? Whatever this is, camp, be careful?
Speaker 6 (19:58):
What do we know?
Speaker 5 (19:59):
It was five?
Speaker 3 (20:02):
This was a coordinate, a terrorist attack, Sir. I was
wartime general. Now I'm a wartime cresator.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Your inner circle's been compromised.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Let me fix it.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Watch or so you're not Steve Rogers. You're right, I'm not.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
And you kind of need to know some stuff going
into this movie. It picks up a thread and a
character and actor from an older movie, Tim Blake Nelson
as the Leader from two thousand and eight The Incredible Hulk,
back when Edward Norton was the Hulk. I don't think
they call him the Leader in this movie, and he
doesn't look like he did in the old comics, but
it's nice to finally get a payoff from what that
older movie set up a long time ago. Although the
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Leader's been around in comics more than sixty years and
he's one of Hulk's main villains and everybody knows what
he's supposed to look like, maybe it would have been
too silly, like a green cone head from SNL. Unfortunately,
it also helps if you saw that dull ass Eternals
movie from twenty twenty one and the Black Widow movie
from that scene, not the cream of the Crop from Marvel,
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but look in for a penny, in for a pounding.
With these things, at least you don't have to see
Madame Webb or Craven, so you take your little wins
where you can. We know from Avengers End Game, which
you also kind of need to have seen, that the
Steve Rodgers, Captain America from World War Two, who got
thought out to be an Avenger, has shuffled off to
wear socks with sandals while he yells at Wheel of
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Fortune or something, and he passed on a shield to
Sam Wilson the Falcon. We also know that William Hurt,
who played General Thunderbolt Ross, passed away in twenty twenty two,
but there's a Marvel franchise to maintain, so he's replaced
by Harrison Ford, who's now President General Ross. Ross seems
to want to give old Chocolate Cap a try and
let bygones be bygones, but he won't take a lot
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of static from him and pointedly reminds Sam that you,
like you just heard that he's no Steve Rogers, which
is a giant ouch moment a message received.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
There. There's a mcguffin.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
Involving who takes control of an alien super medal called Adamantium,
which makes nerds to ears everywhere per Cup, although.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
I guess the Adamantium stuff is going to come to Fruition.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
And yet another movie which is one of a number
of things that make this one seem more like a
watchable placeholder of a movie instead of one that very
many people are gonna absolutely love. There is some skullduggery
afoot around the White House that starts with an attempted
hit on the President, and it's tied to that character
from the Old Hulk movie who's been on ice since then.
It's also tied to Isaiah Bradley played by Carl Lumbley.
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He was an early black Captain America super soldier formula
guinea pig who got shafted in ways that comport with
real world history.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
We do know.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
Let's just say it didn't get any ticker tape parades.
Plot wise and attitude wise, Brave New World has some
things in common with one of the best Marvel movies,
Captain America, the Winter Soldier, and that Falcon and Winter
Soldier mini series. That said, it's not among the best
of the Marvel movies, but it's nowhere near the worst either.
I thought a lot of the action, and there's plenty
of it was kind of dumb and not sold very well,
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and I kept having to remind myself it's a comic movie.
Don't get hung up on that stuff like physics. Mostly
it involves pardon me, a flying Captain America and his
abilities that are so overpowered that they're more cartoon than comic,
whether it's taken out missiles in the air, or the
unerring magic of his shield throwing, or or the fact
that his wings are now somehow kind of giant. Ginsoon knives.
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I guess they had to compensate for the fact that
Sam Wilson's character doesn't have powers from that super soldier
serum that Rogers and Bradley took, but less would have
been more. I think this movie shows about the same
respect for physics as RFK Junior does from microbiology. There's
also a running theme of General President Ross being estranged
from his daughter played by liv Tyler back in two
thousand and eight, and again here that gets so mawkish
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it almost grinds the movie to a halt a couple times.
See Ross is really trying to change, and he does. Look,
if you want subtlety, go watch The Brutalist. So Anthony Mackie,
he's always been more of a supporting actor in Marvel,
and his character's never really been front and center. So
can he carry a movie. I think so sure, But
maybe that's also why they paid the extra for Harrison
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Ford here. But listen, I didn't grow up reading superhero
comics just to avoid the elephant in the room like
a dirty coward black Captain America.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
One paper that I saw called this movie a woke disaster.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
I can explain my feelings about this a lot like
how I felt when I used to work for Child
Protective Services a long time ago. I don't have any
greater than average affinity for children. I don't even have
any of my own, but I do have a white
hot instant hatred for anyone who would harm children. You
see where I'm going with this. Captain America is a
comic character, and yes, the black partner taken over the
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role was part of the comics, in fact, written by
I think my former friend Ed Brubaker about a decade ago.
It's a good storyline and it's meant to address racism
to a degree. I think Bucky the Winter Soldier also
filled in for Cap for a while. It's comics. They
try everything, but I don't need any of that to
justify saying that if anyone has a problem with the
black Cap their tears nourish me as much as the
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tears of anyone who complained about the Super Bowl halftime
show or who couldn't choke down that the Democratic National
Convention looked like showtime at the Apollo. And you better
believe that the old Stanley Soapbox and the old Marvel
Comics was crystal clear on that issue, although he tended
to say things like excelsior instead of suck it, bigots.
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I admired that the movie took a stab at some
relevant themes, even if the end result is more of
a Captain a emehica. Anyone who complains comics superhero movies
getting political or touching on social issues just doesn't understand
any of it. Maybe you just want to see muscular
guys frolicking with each other, I mean, punching each other.
But comics have always done this, all the way back
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to the one in nineteen in the forties with Cap
socking Hitler in the jaw was punching Hitler. Woke get
out of here with that nonsense. I think if I
were to pick any already existing comic story to adapt
to a mini series today, it'd be the Hard Traveling
Heroes series with Green Lantern and Green Arrow from the
early seventies, where they travel around the old us of
A and deal with issues from racism to drug addiction.
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Look it up if you don't know it. It's by
Danny O'Neil and Neil Adams, and it's one of the
all time greats. My Ward Speedy is a junkie.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
I love that stuff.
Speaker 6 (26:16):
Of course, the most shocking thing now is that a
single adult man has a young male Ward. That's a
whole nother thing. And I will not let Moe drag
me into that, no matter how hard he tries. I'm
just gonna say. I'm just gonna say this. This is
why in the sixties Batman Show they brought Aunt Harriet
on board so Bruce and Dick weren't left of frolic
in Wayne manor by themselves. You can't have that, Mo,
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you can't have that.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
I'm going to leave that alone. I'm going to reserve
my remarks about chocolate cap like that. Yes, and the
next segment, as we'll have the l rest of the
crew chied me in about what they thought about the movie.
I want to make sure you had your full uninterrupted
commentary and space to flesh out everything you thought about the.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Movie, and we'll have our stay when we come back.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Last segment, we had Mark Ronner in his Run and
Report give his review of Captain America Brave New World.
Now the Fellas will give hours. We all saw the
movie at the same time, same theater, same showing, so
we had, for the most part, the same experience, and
I think just by listening to Mark, we perceive the
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movie in varying levels of enjoyment. We are not all
going to be the same on this one. Toilette, I
think you have the most to say take it away,
Maybe not.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
The most to say, but I think the perspective that
I have and from hearing Mark and talking to different
people today has really informed my review in that I
like this film a lot. I like it a lot
because I am into all things Marvel Cinematic Universe and
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Marvel Comics. This is a film that did not need
to be great for me, because I already liked what
Marvel is giving me. What I needed this film to
do is tie up all of the loose threads that
were introduced through Sam Wilson and when he was first
brought in in Winter Soldier. There's been a lot of
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story connected to that character beyond the comics, just just
in the film and television universe that I needed to
see come to a head. Did they fully develop the
character And what I saw on the screen was a
fully realized Captain America as the story should progress. When
we first met him, he was awed by Captain America
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and he made uncomfortable, you know, somewhat off putting jokes
at Tazer are like, this isn't the moment to be funny,
and Cap played it straight in this film. He said
things that were funny, but he was not joking anywhere
in this film. He was very very serious about who
he was and he recognized who he was to the world.
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That was very important to me, beyond paying off so
many beautiful, gorgeous threads that I wanted to see brought together.
It brought everything that we saw from Falcon and The
Winter Soldier, everything we saw from Incredible Hulk, from the Eternals,
from Black Widow.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Stories that had nothing to do with Cap on the.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Surface, but they still put it on him to do
one thing and This is the most important thing that
this film did. It moved the entirety of the Marvel
Cinematic Universe forward, saying, anyone who wants to get on
board with the Marvel Cinematic Universe and where we're going,
this is your starting point. This is the film where
you get on, where you get to see how the
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next phase of the Marvel Cinematic Universe is built, exactly
how Captain America First Avenger did for the Marvel Cinematic
Universe to begin with.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
For me, it was much more simple. I didn't dislike
the movie. I thought it was good.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I thought the action scenes were very entertaining. I overall
enjoyed it, despite what Mark is trying to do has
slander me with my snoring, but that aside that. Notwithstanding,
I thought the trailers showed too much as far as
what was shown in the movie. The trailer shows so
much I was thinking that, Okay, they must have this
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big reveal that they're holding back.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Spoiler it doesn't happen.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
So you've seen a lot of the movie and the
plot points and the reasoning for a lot of what
you see in the trailers.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
I did not like that.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Anthony Macking's performance I was fine with, and it was
a continuation of the growth of not only him as
an actor, but also him into the character and the
growth of Sam Wilson into being Captain America. And that
is paid off through the Falcon and Winter Soldiers series
where you see him go through his paces as far
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as learning how to throw the shield, learning how to
step into the moment, learning to forge his whole identity
which is separate from Steve Rodgers. And you see more
that when Harrison Ford Thunderbolt Ross says you're not Steve Rodgers,
he basically said, mother, father, Yes, I know this, and.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
I'm not trying to be Steve Rogers.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
I'm gonna see it again on Sunday and have probably
more thoughts about it.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
But it didn't need to save the Marvel Universe. It
wasn't supposed to.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
I love the tonality of it because it took us
back to The Winter Soldier, which is the best MCU
movie as far as I'm concerned, and people forget. When
The Winter Soldier debuted, it had middling reviews and financially
did not do great out the gate. It grew in
its fandom over the course of years Anthony Mack will
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be fine. And if you don't like him as Captain
America because you have some hang up which is not
connected to the comics or is not connected to his
actual performance, foh, I don't care.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Stefan, what did you think about the movie last night?
Speaker 5 (32:06):
I guess as an outsider, I would say it was
pretty good, but you kind of took the words right
out of my mouth. I was like, we kind of
saw a majority of in the theater in the trailer.
It kind of gave away I think a little bit
too much. But the action was fun and I don't
know a lot about about it, but it was kind
of cool seeing a Red Hulk. No.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
I think one thing that my biggest critique of the
film is that it relies too much on you being
a super fan or you having a great depth of
knowledge of the Marvel cinematic universe, at least even the
comic comic threads aside, It did rely too much on
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individuals knowing what was going on. They jumped to this
film and it's like, hey, everyone, we're just moving this along.
We're not We're not going to set anything up. Everything's
already been set up.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
And I think there are way fewer people like me
who know everything, and that is what's gonna make this
film suffers because there's not enough people who are gonna
know enough about it to appreciate.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
What was done.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
This one other thing before we get on with name
that movie called classic. It also debuted in only like
forty one hundred theaters. Where you have a movie like
Deadpool and Wolverine, which is in I think forty five
hundred theaters, that is significant. You can't talk about box
office if you have movie theaters which are not even
showing the movie, which would probably do better than any
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theater any movie that they're already showing. So I could
do a long dissertation about how the headwinds of people
resisting Anthony Mackie as Captain America reverberates beyond just fandom,
but even actual movie theaters which are resistant to the idea.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
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Speaker 2 (33:58):
Los Angeles, Orange County
Speaker 3 (34:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Just trying to lubricate your evening, get you ready for
the nightcap on this Valentine's Day. Don't you dare shake
your head at me, Mark Runner, I AM six forty.
We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. And the unfortunate
truth of relationships. Sometimes they end prematurely, Sometimes they end badly.
Sometimes they end in divorce. And former LA mayor and
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present gubernatorial candidate and Tonio Viragosa just closed on his
divorce like closing on a house. It's done in the
divorce settlement, which is ending his seven year marriage. Damn,
I was married longer than him, this man. I know
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this is like wife number four eight something like that.
It's not his first wife, but this marriage only lasted
seven years. And in the settlement, Antonio via Ragosa agreed
to pay this ex wife now ex wife, five hundred
thousand dollars straight up flat feet instead of spousal support,
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and another one hundred thousand dollars for her attorneys and
forensic accounting fees and costs. Damn, that's six hundred thousand
dollars going out the door.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
What did he get returned?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Well, look, he got the knowledge that he should have
gotten a prenupt that's the first thing. And he got
to hold on to a home in Beverly Hills, So
clearly he wasn't hurting prior to this. He got to
keep a vovo and he got to keep his Netflix account.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
The home in Beverly Hills.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
I get it, the vovo maybe, but the Netflix account,
I have no idea what that is about. Are you
telling me that he actually put that, Yes, I'm telling
you he actually put that in the divorce proceedings as
assets that they're contesting. He actually wanted to hold on
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to the Netflix account. Stefan, is there something that I'm
missing as far as how a Netflix account can be
more or less valuable depending on who controls the password?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
I that's a shocker for me.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I mean, if you don't know, you don't know, because
I don't know, Twala, Do you know of how a
Netflix account can be more or less valuable depending on
who has control of the password?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Do you know how long it takes to craft your
Netflix so it only shows the suggestions that you want
to see versus anyone else? Who may set up an account.
I have that answer for that. You know how easy
it is. You can do it in about two days.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
What you do is you get your own Netflix account,
so there's nobody else with their profile. That's kind of
messing up the algorithm, and it'll just show you the stuff.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
That you like.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
I don't know, man, I feel my algorithm is really
really fine tuned and crafted.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Yeah. I get that.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
But you also have kids with profiles, aren't there on
your account?
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Yeah, okay, I see where you're going with this.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Yeah. I mean, so it took you a long time.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
Because you have other people, but they have their own profiles, right,
they have their own profiles, Yes.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
But I probably they probably don't always switch over now
they do, they do switch over. And I'm trying to
think if I still share my Netflix account with my
co parent yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, she has a profile too,
So I'm not sure you all have a special relationship,
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you and your co parent, your ex wife.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
You even share Netflix accounts?
Speaker 5 (03:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Oh, they let you get away with it. I mean,
like you didn't fight for it in the divorce. No,
I think it was it was you know what. The
songs like Cheaper, the keeper. It's like, look, just split
the account and we both put into it. It's like,
you know they all they did was increase the costs.
They're like, we know, because it's separate IP addresses, they're
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gonna pay an extra fight.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
On something that was gonna be my next question because
I was like they because they had a friend who
had mine, and that they can't use it anymore because
they cracked down on it.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Maybe it's with going back to and throwing you our
ghost So maybe he's just wanted to be petty. He
wants to be able to say that he got something
out of it. Maybe he just wanted to take the broomstick.
Maybe he wanted to take the flashlight in the kitchen
drawer and this was like that.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
And he wanted to say, yes, I beat you.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
You may have gotten six hundred thousand dollars out of me,
but damn it, I got a Netflix account, and every
time you open up your new Netflix account, you remember me.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Maybe maybe this ex wife is banned from Netflix. Maybe
she's done something that Netflix will never forgive and will
never allow her to get in an account.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Do you know how easy it is to get a
ghost account? Oh, you can get it in somebody's name
she has to have. Look, she has six hundred thousand
dollars now thanks to Antonio. I'm quite sure she can
buy her way into a new account. And she's probably
already seen someone else who's wealthy. She can use his
account because Antonio, who.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
I wish. That's who I wish. I could do that.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
It's actually something I had to practice when I was
learning Spanish in high school. We had to learn how
to roll our rs and there was some exercise would
you have to say like br r, but almost like
learning how to start the engine, and you'll start, you
keep practicing and you'll eventually that's it.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
That's pretty much. That's it.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Yeah, Yeah, okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna try that, Mysa,
because all, like I say, is Villa.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Well do you know the history behind his name?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
When I was working for Tavis Smiley, we interviewed him
and I had to pre interview him, and back then
people were not comfortable pronouncing his name, and so he
would always tell the same anecdote, Well, if you if
you're gonna pronounce my name, just say Via. Everyone knows
Via Rye like Rye bread and Gosa. You can call
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if you can't get it.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
That's fine.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
You call me whatever you want, just don't call me
late for dinner. He'd always tell that same story and
joke via rye gosa via. That's the angler anglicization of
the word via ragosa. But if you're going to put
an announced it in a Spanish is via and the
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Antonio has a soft tea. It's like and Tonio and
Tony abod.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
I'm guessing that.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I'm guessing that and Tonio probably felt that he won
the divorce settlement.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
That move just does sort of reek of twisting the knife,
doesn't it? It does does every time you hear that,
tell him you're gonna you're gonna hear.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
That was so politically incorrect, inappropriate and insulting, almost downright
damn near misogynists.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
I can't apologize enough to the start.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
But you know what's funny is like to to Mo's point, like,
because you're you're mister your petty Crocker, so I mean
recognized pet in another word, would you do something like that?
Do you think or do you think it's worth it?
Speaker 6 (08:03):
No?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
No, because if I'm Anthonio, yeah, I know that the
story's going to be carried everywhere. So they're going to
talk about the divorce settlement. Me my ego, I would
not want to put myself in a light where it
looks like, not only did I get taken to the cleaners,
but the only thing I have to celebrate is a
Netflix account.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
How does that make me look?
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Okay, you've already lost the money, don't lose face as well.
We also don't know what's what the details are, like
who who did what to whom?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
So you never know.
Speaker 6 (08:36):
It could be completely justified. But we don't know, I mean,
who cheated whatever.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Well, this is my educated guest, since from what we know,
she got a hell of a lot more than what
he got. He held on to some of his assets.
But since she was not his original wife, so it's
not like the case was made. I met him when
he had nothing. We developed all these assets together. I'm
title to half or whatever. She got a lot, meaning
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there was no prenup, which says to me, he did
something to ruin the relationship. She foled a divorce, She
got just about everything one hundred thousand dollars in just
lawyer's fees. Oh yeah, he lost, he lost. Well, we're
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talking about lawyers here, So that's what like six hours
of work. It may be billable hours, but the point
is if there's nothing here saying that she had to
pay it off his legal fees, so that says to
me she won.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
So I'm just deducing from what we know. So you're
like the Columbo of philandering something like that. Okay, something
like that. And it's Valentine's Day, so it's appropriate. It's
a lesson word to the wise, you know, and like
Twalla said, cheaper to keep her if I aim six
forty and Thronil be all that's twalleth. No, no, try
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with my name. Oh yeah, mock, you can't do it
with a single noble.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I don't like.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Let's go to the CAFI twenty four hour newsroom and Mark,
I take that back.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I didn't like the way that sounded. Forget about that.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
We hope that your Valentine's Day evening is going well
or at least warming up to the big event.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Maybe you're out at dinner or driving to dinner.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Maybe you're leaving dinner going to go to your next
destination in your Valentine's Day evening. Glad that we're on
in the car with you, hopefully pushing you in the
right direction, getting you in the mood. A little Rick
James can go a long way. Let me tell you
if you didn't know, let's say you don't follow sports,
it is now NBA All Star Weekend, and the All
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Star Game and weekend is taking place in San Francisco,
where the Golden State Warriors play. Came across this article
which talks about the most valuable in excuse me, NBA franchises,
and you can imagine there's a lot of interest around
the Los Angeles Lakers, and you think, well, where do
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the Lakers rank?
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Where do the Clippers rank? Do they rank at all?
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Well, here are the top ten valuations of NBA franchises,
and it might surprise you. Coming in at number ten
valued at five billion dollars, the Dallas Mavericks, where we
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just got Luka doncicz from, coming in at number nine,
value at five point one billion dollars, the Miami Heat.
As an aside, Elon Musk, he could afford buying every
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single team in both the NBA and the NFL. He
could afford every single team in both leagues if they
were for sale. Just want to put that out there.
Coming in at number eight. The most valuable franchises in
the NBA the Los Angeles Clippers, believe it or not,
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despite having no real success really and only in the
past few years have they had an owner who actually
tried to turn it into anything, they are now in
the top ten five point four billion dollars. And this
is this is numbers derived by the value of the
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venue in which you play, like you own your own
arena in this case into a dome. That really up
the valuation of the team. Yep, five point four billion
dollars for the Los Angeles Clippers. Who would have thought it.
Coming in at number seven. The Boston Celtics at five
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point five billion. And if you were to say, hey,
the Boston Celtics are worth about as much as the
LA Clippers, you would think no way, no way.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Boston Celtics have won eighteen championships.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
They're one of the most storied franchises in all of sports,
especially basketball.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
The Clippers have never even played in the championship. The
Clippers have been the laughing stock of the NBA for decades.
And they're worth about the same.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Boston just ever so slightly more coming in at number six,
the Brooklyn Nets at five point six billion dollars. Number five,
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the Houston Rockets valued at five point seven billion dollars.
Number four, your Chicago Bulls five point eight billion, and
I think a lot of that is predicated on the
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success and the attachment to Michael Jordan his name, and
that's about it, because there's nothing good about Chicago or
the Bulls. Coming in at number three, here you are
Los Angeles Lakers seven billion. Jumps up from four to three.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
Chicago Bulls five point eight billion, Los Angeles Lakers valued
at seven billion dollars and only number three.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Do you think, like, who could be worth more? Let's
find out or two? No surprise there.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
The New York Knicks, valued at seven point five billion dollars,
has always been one of the most valuable franchises in
the league. It's the number one media market and the Knicks,
even though they haven't been great throughout history, they've always
been one of the top draws in NBA history. We're
seven point five billion dollars. The owner is Madison Square
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Garden Sports and they own a number of teams and venues,
and I think, if I'm not mistaken, Madison Square Garden
Sports also owns either the Forum or the YouTube Theater,
but they own one of those venues out here. I
think it's the Forum, and coming in at number one,
the most valuable NBA franchise presently. Anybody got any ideas
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an he guesses. So you know it's not the Knicks.
You know, it's not the Lakers. You know it's not
the Bulls. So it would have to be a high
profile franchise, you think, right. I gave you a hint
at the very beginning, the Golden State Warriors with Steph Curry.
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That franchise. They just got a new arena, That's part
of the reason. But they're valued at nine point four
billion dollars, two point four billion dollars more than the Lakers,
and you would think, how is that possible. They don't
have the type of stature or profile the Lakers are
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known around the world in the way that most franchises
are not. They have the marquee players, They've always had
the marquee players, as evidenced by just getting Luka Doncic
a few days ago, a week ago. But the Golden
State Warriors now are the most valuable NBA franchise, and
that actually even surprised me because I didn't see how
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the Golden State Warriors were on the same level. Because
valuation includes the merchandise that you sell and all the
partnerships and sponsorships that you have. Golden State nine point
four billion dollars. It's later with mo Kelly. When we
come back, we have the run report, and then we'll
have the later with mo Kelly movie report. We're all
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going to talk about Captain America Brave New World. We
saw it last night after the show. I tell you
it was ill advised. Can't go to movies which start
at like twelve midnight. I have a special review of
your snoring during a portion.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Of the movie. Do you have heal like and us like?
Do you have any proof? I think I'm a trust
for Oh, it's hearsay. Take you the work.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
I'm an eyewitness. That's not hearsay. Next time, I'll break
out the phone and record it.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Well, that's what you should have done. Got me no proof,
you know what? That's right?
Speaker 6 (18:05):
I did.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
That's right. So there's no reason for anyone to believe you.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
You're listening to Later with Mo Kelly on demand from
KFI A M six forty.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Mark talks about pop culture, Ron and Report with Mark Ronner.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
It's Later with Mo Kelly on KF I am six
forty live everywhere on the iHeart app. I'm Mark Ronner
and it's the Runner Report this week Captain America Brave
New World First, my review, then a NERD free for
all with the crew. Maybe we'll hit each other with
folding chairs. That's right, the new movie with a red
Hulk and a black Captain America. Here's the trailer, gidding.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Me shot, gonna kill all the way?
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Does I feel.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
You know what?
Speaker 6 (19:21):
I think? I got the wrong trailer here. Garrett Morris
isn't in Captain America Brave New World.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Here?
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Maybe maybe this is the right one.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
You asked for me.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Here I am you want to help me? Is there
anything you remember, Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the
United States? That is wrongs? Whatever this is, camp, be careful?
Speaker 6 (19:58):
What do we know?
Speaker 5 (19:59):
It was five?
Speaker 3 (20:02):
This was a coordinate, a terrorist attack, Sir. I was
wartime general. Now I'm a wartime cresator.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Your inner circle's been compromised.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Let me fix it.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Watch or so you're not Steve Rogers. You're right, I'm not.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
And you kind of need to know some stuff going
into this movie. It picks up a thread and a
character and actor from an older movie, Tim Blake Nelson
as the Leader from two thousand and eight The Incredible Hulk,
back when Edward Norton was the Hulk. I don't think
they call him the Leader in this movie, and he
doesn't look like he did in the old comics, but
it's nice to finally get a payoff from what that
older movie set up a long time ago. Although the
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Leader's been around in comics more than sixty years and
he's one of Hulk's main villains and everybody knows what
he's supposed to look like, maybe it would have been
too silly, like a green cone head from SNL. Unfortunately,
it also helps if you saw that dull ass Eternals
movie from twenty twenty one and the Black Widow movie
from that scene, not the cream of the Crop from Marvel,
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but look in for a penny, in for a pounding.
With these things, at least you don't have to see
Madame Webb or Craven, so you take your little wins
where you can. We know from Avengers End Game, which
you also kind of need to have seen, that the
Steve Rodgers, Captain America from World War Two, who got
thought out to be an Avenger, has shuffled off to
wear socks with sandals while he yells at Wheel of
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Fortune or something, and he passed on a shield to
Sam Wilson the Falcon. We also know that William Hurt,
who played General Thunderbolt Ross, passed away in twenty twenty two,
but there's a Marvel franchise to maintain, so he's replaced
by Harrison Ford, who's now President General Ross. Ross seems
to want to give old Chocolate Cap a try and
let bygones be bygones, but he won't take a lot
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of static from him and pointedly reminds Sam that you,
like you just heard that he's no Steve Rogers, which
is a giant ouch moment a message received.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
There. There's a mcguffin.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
Involving who takes control of an alien super medal called Adamantium,
which makes nerds to ears everywhere per Cup, although.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
I guess the Adamantium stuff is going to come to Fruition.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
And yet another movie which is one of a number
of things that make this one seem more like a
watchable placeholder of a movie instead of one that very
many people are gonna absolutely love. There is some skullduggery
afoot around the White House that starts with an attempted
hit on the President, and it's tied to that character
from the Old Hulk movie who's been on ice since then.
It's also tied to Isaiah Bradley played by Carl Lumbley.
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He was an early black Captain America super soldier formula
guinea pig who got shafted in ways that comport with
real world history.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
We do know.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
Let's just say it didn't get any ticker tape parades.
Plot wise and attitude wise, Brave New World has some
things in common with one of the best Marvel movies,
Captain America, the Winter Soldier, and that Falcon and Winter
Soldier mini series. That said, it's not among the best
of the Marvel movies, but it's nowhere near the worst either.
I thought a lot of the action, and there's plenty
of it was kind of dumb and not sold very well,
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and I kept having to remind myself it's a comic movie.
Don't get hung up on that stuff like physics. Mostly
it involves pardon me, a flying Captain America and his
abilities that are so overpowered that they're more cartoon than comic,
whether it's taken out missiles in the air, or the
unerring magic of his shield throwing, or or the fact
that his wings are now somehow kind of giant. Ginsoon knives.
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I guess they had to compensate for the fact that
Sam Wilson's character doesn't have powers from that super soldier
serum that Rogers and Bradley took, but less would have
been more. I think this movie shows about the same
respect for physics as RFK Junior does from microbiology. There's
also a running theme of General President Ross being estranged
from his daughter played by liv Tyler back in two
thousand and eight, and again here that gets so mawkish
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it almost grinds the movie to a halt a couple times.
See Ross is really trying to change, and he does. Look,
if you want subtlety, go watch The Brutalist. So Anthony Mackie,
he's always been more of a supporting actor in Marvel,
and his character's never really been front and center. So
can he carry a movie. I think so sure, But
maybe that's also why they paid the extra for Harrison
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Ford here. But listen, I didn't grow up reading superhero
comics just to avoid the elephant in the room like
a dirty coward black Captain America.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
One paper that I saw called this movie a woke disaster.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
I can explain my feelings about this a lot like
how I felt when I used to work for Child
Protective Services a long time ago. I don't have any
greater than average affinity for children. I don't even have
any of my own, but I do have a white
hot instant hatred for anyone who would harm children. You
see where I'm going with this. Captain America is a
comic character, and yes, the black partner taken over the
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role was part of the comics, in fact, written by
I think my former friend Ed Brubaker about a decade ago.
It's a good storyline and it's meant to address racism
to a degree. I think Bucky the Winter Soldier also
filled in for Cap for a while. It's comics. They
try everything, but I don't need any of that to
justify saying that if anyone has a problem with the
black Cap their tears nourish me as much as the
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tears of anyone who complained about the Super Bowl halftime
show or who couldn't choke down that the Democratic National
Convention looked like showtime at the Apollo. And you better
believe that the old Stanley Soapbox and the old Marvel
Comics was crystal clear on that issue, although he tended
to say things like excelsior instead of suck it, bigots.
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I admired that the movie took a stab at some
relevant themes, even if the end result is more of
a Captain a emehica. Anyone who complains comics superhero movies
getting political or touching on social issues just doesn't understand
any of it. Maybe you just want to see muscular
guys frolicking with each other, I mean, punching each other.
But comics have always done this, all the way back
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to the one in nineteen in the forties with Cap
socking Hitler in the jaw was punching Hitler. Woke get
out of here with that nonsense. I think if I
were to pick any already existing comic story to adapt
to a mini series today, it'd be the Hard Traveling
Heroes series with Green Lantern and Green Arrow from the
early seventies, where they travel around the old us of
A and deal with issues from racism to drug addiction.
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Look it up if you don't know it. It's by
Danny O'Neil and Neil Adams, and it's one of the
all time greats. My Ward Speedy is a junkie.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
I love that stuff.
Speaker 6 (26:16):
Of course, the most shocking thing now is that a
single adult man has a young male Ward. That's a
whole nother thing. And I will not let Moe drag
me into that, no matter how hard he tries. I'm
just gonna say. I'm just gonna say this. This is
why in the sixties Batman Show they brought Aunt Harriet
on board so Bruce and Dick weren't left of frolic
in Wayne manor by themselves. You can't have that, Mo,
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you can't have that.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
I'm going to leave that alone. I'm going to reserve
my remarks about chocolate cap like that. Yes, and the
next segment, as we'll have the l rest of the
crew chied me in about what they thought about the movie.
I want to make sure you had your full uninterrupted
commentary and space to flesh out everything you thought about the.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Movie, and we'll have our stay when we come back.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Last segment, we had Mark Ronner in his Run and
Report give his review of Captain America Brave New World.
Now the Fellas will give hours. We all saw the
movie at the same time, same theater, same showing, so
we had, for the most part, the same experience, and
I think just by listening to Mark, we perceive the
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movie in varying levels of enjoyment. We are not all
going to be the same on this one. Toilette, I
think you have the most to say take it away,
Maybe not.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
The most to say, but I think the perspective that
I have and from hearing Mark and talking to different
people today has really informed my review in that I
like this film a lot. I like it a lot
because I am into all things Marvel Cinematic Universe and
(28:00):
Marvel Comics. This is a film that did not need
to be great for me, because I already liked what
Marvel is giving me. What I needed this film to
do is tie up all of the loose threads that
were introduced through Sam Wilson and when he was first
brought in in Winter Soldier. There's been a lot of
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story connected to that character beyond the comics, just just
in the film and television universe that I needed to
see come to a head. Did they fully develop the
character And what I saw on the screen was a
fully realized Captain America as the story should progress. When
we first met him, he was awed by Captain America
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and he made uncomfortable, you know, somewhat off putting jokes
at Tazer are like, this isn't the moment to be funny,
and Cap played it straight in this film. He said
things that were funny, but he was not joking anywhere
in this film. He was very very serious about who
he was and he recognized who he was to the world.
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That was very important to me, beyond paying off so
many beautiful, gorgeous threads that I wanted to see brought together.
It brought everything that we saw from Falcon and The
Winter Soldier, everything we saw from Incredible Hulk, from the Eternals,
from Black Widow.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Stories that had nothing to do with Cap on the.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Surface, but they still put it on him to do
one thing and This is the most important thing that
this film did. It moved the entirety of the Marvel
Cinematic Universe forward, saying, anyone who wants to get on
board with the Marvel Cinematic Universe and where we're going,
this is your starting point. This is the film where
you get on, where you get to see how the
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next phase of the Marvel Cinematic Universe is built, exactly
how Captain America First Avenger did for the Marvel Cinematic
Universe to begin with.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
For me, it was much more simple. I didn't dislike
the movie. I thought it was good.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I thought the action scenes were very entertaining. I overall
enjoyed it, despite what Mark is trying to do has
slander me with my snoring, but that aside that. Notwithstanding,
I thought the trailers showed too much as far as
what was shown in the movie. The trailer shows so
much I was thinking that, Okay, they must have this
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big reveal that they're holding back.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Spoiler it doesn't happen.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
So you've seen a lot of the movie and the
plot points and the reasoning for a lot of what
you see in the trailers.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
I did not like that.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Anthony Macking's performance I was fine with, and it was
a continuation of the growth of not only him as
an actor, but also him into the character and the
growth of Sam Wilson into being Captain America. And that
is paid off through the Falcon and Winter Soldiers series
where you see him go through his paces as far
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as learning how to throw the shield, learning how to
step into the moment, learning to forge his whole identity
which is separate from Steve Rodgers. And you see more
that when Harrison Ford Thunderbolt Ross says you're not Steve Rodgers,
he basically said, mother, father, Yes, I know this, and.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
I'm not trying to be Steve Rogers.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
I'm gonna see it again on Sunday and have probably
more thoughts about it.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
But it didn't need to save the Marvel Universe. It
wasn't supposed to.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
I love the tonality of it because it took us
back to The Winter Soldier, which is the best MCU
movie as far as I'm concerned, and people forget. When
The Winter Soldier debuted, it had middling reviews and financially
did not do great out the gate. It grew in
its fandom over the course of years Anthony Mack will
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be fine. And if you don't like him as Captain
America because you have some hang up which is not
connected to the comics or is not connected to his
actual performance, foh, I don't care.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Stefan, what did you think about the movie last night?
Speaker 5 (32:06):
I guess as an outsider, I would say it was
pretty good, but you kind of took the words right
out of my mouth. I was like, we kind of
saw a majority of in the theater in the trailer.
It kind of gave away I think a little bit
too much. But the action was fun and I don't
know a lot about about it, but it was kind
of cool seeing a Red Hulk. No.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
I think one thing that my biggest critique of the
film is that it relies too much on you being
a super fan or you having a great depth of
knowledge of the Marvel cinematic universe, at least even the
comic comic threads aside, It did rely too much on
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individuals knowing what was going on. They jumped to this
film and it's like, hey, everyone, we're just moving this along.
We're not We're not going to set anything up. Everything's
already been set up.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
And I think there are way fewer people like me
who know everything, and that is what's gonna make this
film suffers because there's not enough people who are gonna
know enough about it to appreciate.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
What was done.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
This one other thing before we get on with name
that movie called classic. It also debuted in only like
forty one hundred theaters. Where you have a movie like
Deadpool and Wolverine, which is in I think forty five
hundred theaters, that is significant. You can't talk about box
office if you have movie theaters which are not even
showing the movie, which would probably do better than any
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theater any movie that they're already showing. So I could
do a long dissertation about how the headwinds of people
resisting Anthony Mackie as Captain America reverberates beyond just fandom,
but even actual movie theaters which are resistant to the idea.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
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