September 30, 2025 • 33 mins
ICYMI: Hour Three of ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – An in-depth conversation with Emmy-Nominated Filmmaker & Micheaux Film Festival Co-Founder Noel Braham, who joins the program with a preview of the 7th annual Micheaux Film Festival (October 23–26, at the Culver Theater). “The Micheaux Film Festival” is known for its high-profile premieres, red carpets, industry networking, celebrity guests, and most importantly - championing emerging talent…PLUS – Thoughts on Trump threatening to place “a 100% tariff on films made outside the United States” AND the new AI actress making waves in Hollywood - on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app & YouTube @MrMoKelly
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well this Lame.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Kelly on KAY.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Six Live Everywhere, on the iHeartRadio app and YouTube. Oscar
Devereux Michau was an American author, film director, and independent
producer of more than forty four films. He formed his
own movie production company and in nineteen nineteen became the
first African American to make a film. And he's the
namesake for the Me Show Film Festival, which took flight
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in twenty eighteen. The twenty twenty five Me Show Film
Festival runs October twenty three through twenty six at the
Cover Theater in Culver City. Emmy nominated filmmaker and co
founder of the Me Show Film Festival Noel Braham joins
me in studio. Noell's good to see you tonight. How
are you doing, sir?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Well?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Something you know? All is well? Brother, all as well.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Don't be coming on my show with all that bas
in your voice and trying to like upstage me.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Okay, don't do that. What's up? All right?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
No, no, no no, that's not gonna fly here. Take
it back?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Yeah, yeah, I got you. Gotta put a little more
soprano in it.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I got man. Thank you for having me on though.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Where are you from originally Rigie, Miami, Florida, and how
did you find your way to La.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Man Thirteen years ago?
Speaker 5 (01:18):
I moved out here and I had a dream of
not only getting into film, creating my own works and projects,
but helping people as well and creating platforms.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
And you have a partner in this, do you not?
I do? I do?
Speaker 5 (01:31):
I co founded the Me Show Film Festival with Courtney L.
Branch who's also from Atlanta as well. We went to
the same university, Georgia State, And when I got out here,
the La Webfest, which was founded by the late Michael
Jockway Junior, opened up doors and opportunities for me, not
only to promote my own web series and take it
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all around the world, but Mike helped me to understand
the purpose of a platform and the power of a platform.
So we founded me Show back into twenty eighteen, after
I had a chance encounter with the Pa of Mind,
who was actually homeless, and that PA was living in
a tenningcamp in two blocks away from the apartment complex
I had just moved out of. Now this time, I
was actually staying in a hostel because I was funding
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and throwing all my money behind this particular film, but
I recognized how important it was to create spaces and
places for multicultural bipop creators and filmmakers and those of
all walks of life that are out here just pursuing
a dream.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
You wouldn't know this, but I knew Michael Jockway very well. Wow.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
I was in the Guy Hanks Marvin Miller screenwriting program.
People noticed the Cosby Screenwriting Fellowship, and he was teaching
the television side.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
I was in the feature side. But I knew him
very well.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
So it's a very very small world, and I'm pleased
that you are continuing in his legacy.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
The Gold Yes. Absolutely.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
He hosted the first Webfest on a major studio, a
lot at Warner Brothers, right across the street from there. Yes,
So it's kind of full circle now to be even
sitting in your studio.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Man, it's one thing to come from Atlanta. It's another
thing to come from Miami. And you're chasing in my
this is my terminology, chasing the dreams of Hollywood.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
But what was that first step? Was it a steady
step or was it a stumble?
Speaker 5 (03:14):
It was a stumble, and then it eventually became steady
because when I came out not knowing anyone, not having
any relationships or contacts, just with the idea and the
vision that hey, this is going to be formed for me.
But I know that this is where God is calling me,
and I know that I can not only make my
dream of reality, but I can also help people within
the process of doing so. So after my web series,
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I worked on a Star Wars fan film after Lucasfilms
opened up a competition for independent filmmakers to create their
own Star Wars universe. Ended up writing directing that project,
turned around, submitted it to the comp We got in.
Right now, that project streaming on Star Wars dot Com
and you can go check it out. It's called Star
Wars Exile or it's on YouTube where it's a mass
over one million views. So I saw just how the
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destiny was opening up other doors and with the value
and the equity. Because we did a premiere for that
project at the Vista Theater, which Quentin Tarantino now owns,
brought out over three hundred and fifty people, went to Atlanta,
did another premiere and started to realize. I'm like, not
only is it incredible for us to create our own works,
but how can we impact and get the community more involved.
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What better way to do that than with the Me
Show Film Festival.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Explain for those who don't know, and some people may
not understand the purpose of any film festival. It's for
some it's like, Okay, you're just showing random works of creators,
or is it a point in promotion of these films.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
If there's ever a time for people to support independent
filmmakers and the platforms that amplify those filmmakers, it's now.
A film festival is so powerful because it's able to
bring together people from all walks of life, all backgrounds, perspectives, ages, creeds,
under one roof in a dark room to watch art
that hopefully is able to impact, entertain, and transcend.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Now.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
You talked about Me Show's history earlier, right, The first
black writer, director, producer, distributor who from nineteen twenty to
nineteen forty produce over forty four feature films. Me Show's
number one goal was to bring together polarizing worlds that
otherwise would not intersect black, white, rich, poor roleIn urban
It's one of the reasons why he would often take
his films aimed show them in predominantly white theaters right,
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because he knew that in order for me to bridge
the gap between society and the stigmas and the stereotypes
and the misjudgments that we've placed on a community, I
have to connect them to something greater than their own
environment by way of my art. So at festival in
that same vein especially the Me Show Film Festival, our
goal is to bring together those to challenge our perspectives
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to hopefully not only entertain but the impact of the community,
not only here in LA but also around the world.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
October twenty third, the Cover Theater in Culver City. It
is a beautiful location. I was just there last week.
I don't know if you could have chosen a better
place in which to have this film festival.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
What should we expect? Starting on October twenty third.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Our opening night selection, We're opening What Remember, which is
directed by Tarry Weinbrey. It was created by Bernard David Jones.
It's about four black males just navigating the nuance and
challenges of not only brotherhood but masculinity within Los Angeles.
Our feature opening night gala is It's Dorothy, which is
really dope in full circle to Cuver City. It's Dorothy
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is directed by Jeffery McHale. Essentially, it celebrates and looks
at the last one hundred and twenty five years of
not only Judy Garland's legacy and impact on the world,
but the Wizard of Oz and the many actresses that
have donned that role, and how that project has been
able to impact so many different cultures, and how seeing
the different backgrounds of the actresses who played Dorothy, it
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also speaks to the times now and also moving forward
as well. Who also have mixers, panels, master classes. We're
bringing in YouTube sensation Niger Dion to not only give
us a career retrospective or career, but also to speak
to how those can go about mastering digital filmmaking, especially
in the time like now where you can use your
mobile device to be vertically integrated. In addition to our
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closing night party, which is going to be our Young
Hollywood Gold Celebration happening at one COVID nine.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Where can they get all this information? You gave us a.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
Lot, Yeah, meshowfilmfest dot com also follow us at me
show filmfests in terms of passes.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Tickets are about to go on sale.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
You can check out some of the tentative program that
we have out right now, stay tapped in with me
at Noel bring him on all platforms as well.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Noel Bram, you are just introducing yourself to the audience.
You're just introducing us to the Me Show Film Festival.
But I know that you have inspired someone, and I
know that you have interested someone in attending. I'm just
going to ask, can we give away like two pairs
of tickets?
Speaker 5 (07:51):
Maybe next segment, man, brother, let's give away two passes instead.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Let's take it up a not two all as explain
the difference in the tickets and passes.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
So a ticket is just to one screening, but the
pass will give them access to not only screenings, the panels,
the parties, the mixers, the whole the whole shebang.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Though. Okay, wait wait, so.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
So how many passes were we gonna be given away here?
So the pass is good for one person?
Speaker 5 (08:16):
No, We're gonna give away four passes, two pair passes
to your audience, just for y'all having us on tonight.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Let's go to a break and let's get everyone ready
to call in, because we're not gonna give away now,
and we're going to I want you to right now
to go to the website, which is ME Showfilmfest dot com.
That's m I C h E a u X Filmfest
dot com and we'll have more with Noel Braham, just
a woman.
Speaker 6 (08:41):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI A M six forty.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Can't fine Later with mo Kelly.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
We're live on YouTube in the iHeartRadio app And if
you're just tuning in, I'm right in the middle of
a conversation with Emmy nominated film maker and co co
founder of the MI Show Film Festival, Noel Braham, who
continues to join me in studio and no l Before
the break, we were breaking down the MI Show Film
Festival what people should expect at the Culver Theater starting
on October twenty thirty, runs through October twenty six.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Now, we talked about what an attendee.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
May experience, but for the filmmakers who are part of this,
what is their experience?
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Like?
Speaker 5 (09:26):
Man, it's special because you know, we make sure that
we put the filmmaker first as one of the models
that we have internally with the company. We care as
much about their project as we do them and their
background and how do they go about actually getting the
project off the ground to where they are today. So
not only are we providing them with all access passes
to experience the festival, we're looking to also create development
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opportunities and meetings where they're able to sit down with
executives to find out and get insight and education about
how they can further advance their career. We're offering opportunities
as well for them to submit to an fy process.
This year, we're featuring over two hundred and seven projects
in person and then total we have two hundred and
fifty three which will also be housed on our virtual platform,
(10:10):
so we're giving them exposure not only in person, but
also on a virtual scalere we'll be promoting all around
the nation, hopefully also capturing more of a global audience
as well. In addition to the mixers the networking opportunities,
we just had a huge mixer at Level eight last
week where we brought over four hundred creators out prior
to the fest, and our goal is to give them
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the ability to connect early so that they can use
that momentum relationship to hopefully push their career forward as
they get in to the festival itself.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
What's this read about? Ethan Hawk?
Speaker 5 (10:40):
So, our closing night project is She Dances, which is
directed by Rick Gomez. It stars Ethan Hawk, Sniko, Martin
green So from Starchek Discovery Yep, yep, and Steve's on
and it's a powerful film about a broken relationship between
a daughter and a father. But it's on the back
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drop of the Southeastern Regional Dance competition and then them
navigating their relationship in light of some of the emotional
internal challenges are having in terms of a family dynamic.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Am I wrong to say?
Speaker 3 (11:12):
I think of Steve zon More in a comedic vein
I know, And he's actually one of the writers of
the projects.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Yeah, and his daughter co stars alongside him. So I
think it was a personal film that they wanted to
get off the ground together. And then Ethan and Sidniko
also came along with that rye with Rick.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
How did you make that connection?
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Is it something that they submitted to you and reached
out to you to gain exposure for the film or
is it are you seeking out these projects as well?
Speaker 5 (11:39):
That particular project we recruited, you know, we saw that
they were screening at another festival and said, hey, we
really believe that this could also fit within our programming lineups.
Reading about the log line, can you all share it
with us? And just to kind of take you into
our programming process, we have seven to ten screeners. Shout
out to our screeners who have been watching projects since January,
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and we have a very tickless process where we're looking
at originality, the writing, the directing, the performances, the direction
a crowd pleaser, so there are different metrics that we're analyzing. Specifically,
after we got She Dances, we took it through our
same process. Even though we recruited it, we still wanted
to see the quality of it and do we feel
like you would ultimately line up with our overall lineup itself.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
That's pretty amazing.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Now for those who are inclusive of every film that
is in the Film Festival, how likely are they going
to be seen by possible distributors?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Oh? Very much so.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
Last year we had Netflix, Sony Pictures, who's one of
our sponsors, also was president.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
We have development executives.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
This year, Tyler Perry Studios is going to be out
and some of their executives. We're also reaching out to
a lot of strategic and high profile industry guests where
they'll be coming out to not only the opening night,
but screenings throughout. We often get contacted by production companies saying, hey,
what block do you all suggest we go out to?
What filmmakers are working on AB and C. How can
we maybe get involved or meet that creator. We've had
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creators and filmmakers who have gone through the fest and
gotten their projects picked up with various distributors and platforms. Specifically,
I want to brag about Jennifer A. Zaying because she
got an opportunity with Jamie Lee Curtis's production company. Jamie
Lee saw her project at me show, turned around and said, hey,
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I want to learn more about it. This was a short,
mind you. She sent in the feature length script and
then Jamie Lee bought it that project as a EP,
and that feature is now complete as a result of
the festival. So those are the type of opportunities that
can happen where even creators who were working on minimal
budgets can get the ability to be exposed to really
high profile individual and production companies.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
If I understand you correctly, there's something for just the
film enthusiasts, there's something for the film creator, and there's
something for the film developer.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
Absolutely, and someone just looking to just make real relationships.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
You know, often folks.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
Go to festivals and the goal is just I got
to do this, and I got to do this and
I got to make this happen, when sometimes it's really
just about being present, enjoying the experience and then allowing
those relationships to naturally come to you. And so I
think that the community element too is also really great
beyond some of the things that you can also accomplish.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Last segment, you were saying that you're going to give
away not one, not two, not three, but four passes
to the Me Show Film Festival. I'm saying October twenty
third through October twenty six, inclusive of all the events,
all the parties, all the screenings. Yes, sir, four passes.
Four at the Cover Theater, coverd Theater. Hey, Sam, I
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think we need to open up the phones now because
we are getting ready to give away some passes to
the Me Show Film Festival October twenty third through October
twenty six at the Cover Theater courtesy of my guests
right now, Noel Brahm, I need since there are four passes, yep,
do you I guess I got to give away like two,
(15:03):
two and two. Right, we can do that, Okay, So
I need two numbers between one and ten.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
All right, I got it. Tell me now out loud,
two and eight okay.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Caller number two and caller number eight, give us a
call it eight hundred five to zero one kfive eight
hundred five two zero one five three four. Caller number
two and caller number eight. You and a guest will
be going to the Me Show Film Festival, which takes
place October twenty third through the twenty six at the
Cobra Theater in Culver City. It's a beautiful venue and
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a beautiful city. It's a wonderful film festival. I'm jealous
you get to go there. Well, you're getting hooked up too.
The whole team is the whole team coming through a baby.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Caller number two and caller number eight.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
You and a guest will be going to the twenty
twenty five Mishow Film Festival, which runs October twenty third
through the twenty six at the Cobra Theater in Culver City.
Caller number two, you and call her number eight. I
don't know if you can see the phones from over there. Well,
they just exploded. They want passes.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Let's go.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
They want passes, right, So we're gonna give away at
least two pairs of these great passes to a four
day film festival, and you might see someone you know,
you might see someone who's famous.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Definitely, you definitely see some powerful people, definitely.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
Because we haven't even talked about our celebrity ambassadors. Well,
come on, little rel howery. So if anyone's seen get
Out Out Comedian actor, we also have Outa Rodriguez who
has an HBO special outbu Hilarious. And then I mentioned
Kneiger Dion who's also a huge mega YouTube sensation. She's
had over a billion views on all the digital platforms.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
So come on, y'all, let's tap in. We'd love to
meet y'all. Well, very quickly the website one more time.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
Me Showfilmfest dot com and then at me Show Filmfest
on all social media platforms. Also tap in with me
at Noel and E B R A H A M
as well on all social media platforms. Send me a message,
We'll love to connect and I do respond back.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
And it's M I C H E A U X
Filmfest dot com. Yes, sir, no else this is our
first time meeting, but it's not gonna be the last
time that we dialogue.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Come on, let let's do it again. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
It's Later with mo Kelly. Ca if I am six forty.
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Speaker 6 (17:25):
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Speaker 7 (17:30):
Welcome to MO on the Movies, right, don't be ridiculous, darling,
it's MO on the Movies.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Not a chance.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
K if I, mister mo Kelly. We're live everywhere on
YouTube and the iHeartRadio app. And you know sometimes you
don't want to have politics in your movies. Well, the
president has other designs. As President Trump announced today through
executive action that he promises a one hundred percent tariff
on movies made outside of America. And let me just
(18:16):
be very honest, I don't know what the hell that means.
What do you mean a movie made outside of America?
Are we talking about a Disney movie which may have
a filming location in Budapest? Are we talking about a
foreign movie that is going to be distributed here in
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the United States?
Speaker 2 (18:37):
And does it mean within the physical United States or does.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
It mean on a streaming platform like Netflix, which is
a multinational corporation and has you know, I don't know
what it means, so I don't know what to say
about it, But this is what I do know. I
know the President often makes these pronouncements without thinking them through.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
But movies are not a physical.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Product per se that arrives on a ship that you
can tax upon entry at a port, like you would guns,
butter widgets or whatever.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
That it's not that.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
So I don't know if the President understands exactly how
movies are made in the twenty first century. I don't
know if he understands that you can make a movie
on an iPhone and you don't have to necessarily be
in any particular location with CGI, or you could film
the whole movie in the United States and then send
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it out for post production in some other country. Does
that make it a foreign movie? Does that mean that
it's outside the United States? Mark, you've been in this
business longer than me. I don't know what he means.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
I don't either, mo.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
I kind of want to stay the hell out of this,
but there's no way to. We live in the world's
epicenter of entertainment because I was asked by a lot
of people today. It's like, MO, what do you think
about this?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
It's like, I don't know what to think, because what
is an American movie?
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Are you saying that the production company has to exist
in America or all the filming, all the post production?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
I mean, the question is, is he gonna do to
American movies what he has apparently done to American farmers
with his tariffs, which is drive them out of business
and then offer them tax payer money for a bailout.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
We don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Well, let's go down that road for a minute, and
let's just say we have settled on the definition of
an American made movie. Let's say we've settled on that definition.
Are you saying then that you're going to put one
hundred percent tariff on any movie which is quote unquote
not American made? In other words, any movie was let's
(20:53):
say Mission Impossible till all around the world. Are you
going to say then that there's going to be one
hundred percent tariff for American movie theaters to show that movie?
And if so, you are effectively killing movie theaters from
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coast to coast, because who pays that tariff? The movie
theater then passes it on to us the consumer, so
that eighteen dollars ticket.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
To see mission impossible.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
I'm just using that as an example, because it was
filmed all around the world. That eighteen dollars ticket instantly
becomes thirty six dollars. How is that sustainable for anybody?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Yeah, the tariffs just objectively appear to be somewhat arbitrary.
I mean, we know that prescription drugs are going to
have a one hundred percent tariff placed on very soon
as well, and how that shakes out is anybody's guests.
Hopefully a lot of people can still afford their medications.
But I mean, it's easy to dismiss movies as not
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being that.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
But it's part of a larger hoole. It's a part
of our economy.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
And we all know if Hollywood is doing poorly, it's
usually a reflection of the larger economy doing poorly. And
this is something what I think people still don't understand.
And if you understand this, and good for you, but
far too many people don't understand that the.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Tariff is paid by us.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
So when the President says he's putting a tariff on
movies made outside the country. Anything that is under a
tariff is going to be paid for by the quote unquote,
and I do mean quote unquote importer, and then that's
passed on to us.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
We are paying that tariff.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
However it shakes out, the consumer always pays those no
matter what anybody tells you.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
How does that help the movie theater industry? How does
that help the movie studio industry. I have no idea.
We won't be able to settle on a definition of
what is an American movie because these are This is
intellectual property. It's not a physical product in the sense
of you can put a tariff on it as you
would any other physical item.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Yeah, it's baffling, and it would take you know, somebody
to do a diagnosis to figure out what the true
motive is behind these because I don't know that it's
been stated really explicitly.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Here is the quote from the president quote, our movie
making business has been stolen from the United States of
America by other countries, just like stealing candy from a baby. California,
with its weak and incompetent governor, has been particularly hard hit. Therefore,
in order to solve this long time, never ending problem,
I will be imposing a one hundred percent tariff on
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any and all movies that are made outside of the
United States. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Close quote for your attention to this matter. Well, okay,
we know the governor has been needling the living daylights
out of the President with his Twitter account, and I
don't it's not completely outside the realm of possibility that
(24:03):
this could be vindictive to get back at Newsom. I'm
quite sure there's a part of it, because most of
what the president does is on some level personal. You know,
you can talk about James Comy, there's a personal aspect
to that. You can talk about the investigation of John
Bolton and Christopher Ray.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
There's this personal level to that, and it's not hidden.
This isn't us going out on a limb.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
That you know, We're not just trying to get into
his mind. No, he explicitly tells us that. But look,
I don't know what to say because you can't really
put a tariff on movies, and you can't even really
you can't even define what is a movie being made
outside of the United States? Is it shooting location, is
(24:43):
it post production? You know what does that mean? And
until we get some clarity. I don't know what to say.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yeah, it's baffling and it's frustrating, and we already know
the movie industry was on pretty shaky ground already, so
it might not take much of a nudge to really
give it a fatal blow.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
We'll find out, I mean, hopefully he'll tell us. I
just don't know what it is. It just doesn't make
any sense on any level. Well, fortunately you and I
are in the stable and lucrative radio industry, and radio
is doing great. Oh yeah, weak, weak, It's Later with
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Speaker 6 (25:23):
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Speaker 3 (25:29):
Later with mo Kelly coming up in just moments, will
be Coast to Coast AM with George Norri. Let's find
out what's going on with him right now? Hey, George,
how is your weekend great?
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Mister Kelly? How about George? Uh?
Speaker 3 (25:40):
It was it was uh forgettable, you know. Let me
just put it like that. Not all weekends are great.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
You're hedging. It wasn't that good.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Huh, No, it was not. No, it was not, But
God will it'll be another one.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
All right, Well, we'll say a prayer for you, Thank you,
good night. On the show, we're going to talk about
why people are acting so irrationally, and then later on
near death experiences on coast to coast.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
You know, with the exception of UFOs, there's nothing I'd
like more as a topic than the near death experiences.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
That always fascinates me.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
It's great stuff. And one day we'll be on the
other side calling in, won't.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
We hopefully not too soon though.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Just don't call us a collect They.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Don't do that anymore. George, there's no more collect I know.
That's old school by George.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Yeah, and before we get out of here, we have
to talk about what's her name, Tilly?
Speaker 2 (26:36):
What was her name? Mark? Tilly the AI?
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yeah, I just closed out that file, but I think
that's it. It'll take me a second to get it back.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Tilly the AI is an actress quote unquote, and Tilly
is on the verge of getting a lucrative deal, like
you know, with an agent.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Philly Norwood.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Tilly Norwood, and it's created by Eline Vanderveld and the
CEO of the AI production company Particle six, and she's
being called an actress has garnered interest from studios with
talent agents looking to sign her.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
This goes to the heart.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Of the SAG after debate we talked about years ago,
where SAG actors were concerned about being replaced in various
forms and ways by AI, the use of people's image
and likeness without their permission and used in conjunction with AI. Well,
here the future is now, and this is happening, and
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if they can use this for Hollywood actors and actresses,
even though it may be a pale imitation, even though
it may be something which is lacking an overall creativity
that an actual human would, you can tell how greed
once again is going to guide this discussion in the
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sense that Hollywood is willing to use something which is
going to cost less than a real person. It's true
in fast food, it's true in radio, it's true in
movies and television.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
I'm sorry, Mark, it's here, but we can resist it,
and people aren't. Actors are telling other actors to drop
the agency that signs here, and that's one step that
can be taken.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Yeah, but there's going to be more than one Tilly,
nor would in the sense that it may be a
principal stand against this particular actor quote unquote, But I
don't know, big picture, long term, whether that's a viable strategy.
In other words, maybe the big studios stay away, but
the smaller independent ones are more welcome to and more
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open to it because they have fewer assets to work with,
they have less of a budget for a lot of
their projects. Or let's say you're just trying to do
an independent film and then take it to like a
film festival.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
What's preventing that being shunned by your colleagues. I mean,
let's say change the subject to comics, Okay, right now.
In comics, anybody who uses AI in any aspect of
the creative process is absolutely shunned. Everybody knows who are
Nobody wants to work with you or run your material.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Let me use your analogy against you.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
In the world of comedy, it's one of the worst
things you can do is steal someone's joke.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
But it still happens all the time. True, but it's
the exception and not the rule. Once you're busted out,
everybody knows it and they think you're a hab.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I don't know some of the biggest names. I mean,
Robin Williams.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Was supposedly a huge joke stealer.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah, I didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
But I mean more and more stories have come out
since these past regarding that. But all I'm saying is
you have to have a unified front all the way
around if you're going to keep AI out of entertainment.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
And I don't think it will ever be there.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
I just don't think it's a fade of complete I
think too many people don't want it, and the more
people speak out, the more everybody is educated about what
is being rammed down their throats.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
And I don't think viewers want it either.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Well, the agents will say, hey, we're ready to sign
this it this AI personality actress, So someone sees potential
value in these AI things.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
I think that's always going to exist, though, don't you.
I mean it goes back to a degree. There's always
going to be some element of every industry that has
no standards whatsoever as long as they can make a
profit out of it. And we have to push back
against that. That people who care have to push back
against that, especially the ones whose livelihood might depend on it.
And I think, you know, nobody really wants to watch
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a movie with non humans in it. Once they find
that out, they might reach a point where you can't
tell the difference.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
But people are going to know one way or the other. Well,
I guess it's relative.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
As far as the concept of non humans, Yes, you're
using human's voice, but AI or CGI, it's hard to
see where the line is anymore. As far as with
existing movies, well, we keep on reading about the AI
bubble being about to burst here and how it's just
not profitable and how all the resources that it requires
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are unsustainable.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
And I mean, I don't know what the tipping point
is going to be, but I think it's going to
crash and burn. Here's what the creator of Tilly had
to say. Quote Tilly is not a replacement for a
human being, but a creative work, a piece of art
like many forms of art.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Before her calls it to her, she.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Sparks conversation, and that in itself shows the power of creativity.
I see AI as not a replacement for people, but
as a new tool, a new paintbrush, just as animation
puppetry or CGI open fresh possibilities without taking away from
the live acting. AI offers another way to imagine and
build stories. I'm an actor myself, and nothing, certainly not
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an AI character can t take away the craft or
joy of human performance.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Close quote is that bs.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
If this were the old Johnny Carson show, he would
have gotten a pie in the face, and that's exactly
what he deserves.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Okay, so no, I'm Tilley nor would huh.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Well, let's put it in a subject that I'm sure
you'll be able to relate to personally, which is lechery.
So you know, when you go on to Instagram or threads,
it is just rife with pictures of scantily clad women,
and half of those are really obviously AI.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Do you have any interest in that? I don't know.
I don't.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
But there are a lot of people who respond to
those porn bots, really a lot, yes, and we clown
them all the time, but there is a market for them.
We talked about this with doctor Sam. People want to
connect on some level, and if they think that they
can make a connection with this porn.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Bot, it's enough.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Well, maybe there's always going to be a percentage, However,
small it is, but I have no more interest in
that than I have in looking at, you know, a
card tune of a woman.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Yeah, but I'm not in the blow up dolls. But
someone is.
Speaker 8 (33:04):
There are markets for it, anime has their own, there's
there's plenty of different things that people can tap into
to scratch that itch.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I don't dispute any of that. But the thing is,
we can't let it appear to be more than the
tiny niche that it is.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Mark. I can't wait to see you die on that hill.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
You just you had to add the words on that
hill because really you just want to see me die.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Well, it's never mind, Okay, if I am six forty
and I'm not AI. We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio
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Six Live Everywhere, on the iHeartRadio app and YouTube. Oscar
Devereux Michau was an American author, film director, and independent
producer of more than forty four films. He formed his
own movie production company and in nineteen nineteen became the
first African American to make a film. And he's the
namesake for the Me Show Film Festival, which took flight
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in twenty eighteen. The twenty twenty five Me Show Film
Festival runs October twenty three through twenty six at the
Cover Theater in Culver City. Emmy nominated filmmaker and co
founder of the Me Show Film Festival Noel Braham joins
me in studio. Noell's good to see you tonight. How
are you doing, sir?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Well?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Something you know? All is well? Brother, all as well.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Don't be coming on my show with all that bas
in your voice and trying to like upstage me.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Okay, don't do that. What's up? All right?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
No, no, no no, that's not gonna fly here. Take
it back?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Yeah, yeah, I got you. Gotta put a little more
soprano in it.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I got man. Thank you for having me on though.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Where are you from originally Rigie, Miami, Florida, and how
did you find your way to La.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Man Thirteen years ago?
Speaker 5 (01:18):
I moved out here and I had a dream of
not only getting into film, creating my own works and projects,
but helping people as well and creating platforms.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
And you have a partner in this, do you not?
I do? I do?
Speaker 5 (01:31):
I co founded the Me Show Film Festival with Courtney L.
Branch who's also from Atlanta as well. We went to
the same university, Georgia State, And when I got out here,
the La Webfest, which was founded by the late Michael
Jockway Junior, opened up doors and opportunities for me, not
only to promote my own web series and take it
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all around the world, but Mike helped me to understand
the purpose of a platform and the power of a platform.
So we founded me Show back into twenty eighteen, after
I had a chance encounter with the Pa of Mind,
who was actually homeless, and that PA was living in
a tenningcamp in two blocks away from the apartment complex
I had just moved out of. Now this time, I
was actually staying in a hostel because I was funding
(02:14):
and throwing all my money behind this particular film, but
I recognized how important it was to create spaces and
places for multicultural bipop creators and filmmakers and those of
all walks of life that are out here just pursuing
a dream.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
You wouldn't know this, but I knew Michael Jockway very well. Wow.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
I was in the Guy Hanks Marvin Miller screenwriting program.
People noticed the Cosby Screenwriting Fellowship, and he was teaching
the television side.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
I was in the feature side. But I knew him
very well.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
So it's a very very small world, and I'm pleased
that you are continuing in his legacy.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
The Gold Yes. Absolutely.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
He hosted the first Webfest on a major studio, a
lot at Warner Brothers, right across the street from there. Yes,
So it's kind of full circle now to be even
sitting in your studio.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Man, it's one thing to come from Atlanta. It's another
thing to come from Miami. And you're chasing in my
this is my terminology, chasing the dreams of Hollywood.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
But what was that first step? Was it a steady
step or was it a stumble?
Speaker 5 (03:14):
It was a stumble, and then it eventually became steady
because when I came out not knowing anyone, not having
any relationships or contacts, just with the idea and the
vision that hey, this is going to be formed for me.
But I know that this is where God is calling me,
and I know that I can not only make my
dream of reality, but I can also help people within
the process of doing so. So after my web series,
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I worked on a Star Wars fan film after Lucasfilms
opened up a competition for independent filmmakers to create their
own Star Wars universe. Ended up writing directing that project,
turned around, submitted it to the comp We got in.
Right now, that project streaming on Star Wars dot Com
and you can go check it out. It's called Star
Wars Exile or it's on YouTube where it's a mass
over one million views. So I saw just how the
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destiny was opening up other doors and with the value
and the equity. Because we did a premiere for that
project at the Vista Theater, which Quentin Tarantino now owns,
brought out over three hundred and fifty people, went to Atlanta,
did another premiere and started to realize. I'm like, not
only is it incredible for us to create our own works,
but how can we impact and get the community more involved.
(04:21):
What better way to do that than with the Me
Show Film Festival.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Explain for those who don't know, and some people may
not understand the purpose of any film festival. It's for
some it's like, Okay, you're just showing random works of creators,
or is it a point in promotion of these films.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
If there's ever a time for people to support independent
filmmakers and the platforms that amplify those filmmakers, it's now.
A film festival is so powerful because it's able to
bring together people from all walks of life, all backgrounds, perspectives, ages, creeds,
under one roof in a dark room to watch art
that hopefully is able to impact, entertain, and transcend.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Now.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
You talked about Me Show's history earlier, right, The first
black writer, director, producer, distributor who from nineteen twenty to
nineteen forty produce over forty four feature films. Me Show's
number one goal was to bring together polarizing worlds that
otherwise would not intersect black, white, rich, poor roleIn urban
It's one of the reasons why he would often take
his films aimed show them in predominantly white theaters right,
(05:22):
because he knew that in order for me to bridge
the gap between society and the stigmas and the stereotypes
and the misjudgments that we've placed on a community, I
have to connect them to something greater than their own
environment by way of my art. So at festival in
that same vein especially the Me Show Film Festival, our
goal is to bring together those to challenge our perspectives
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to hopefully not only entertain but the impact of the community,
not only here in LA but also around the world.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
October twenty third, the Cover Theater in Culver City. It
is a beautiful location. I was just there last week.
I don't know if you could have chosen a better
place in which to have this film festival.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
What should we expect? Starting on October twenty third.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Our opening night selection, We're opening What Remember, which is
directed by Tarry Weinbrey. It was created by Bernard David Jones.
It's about four black males just navigating the nuance and
challenges of not only brotherhood but masculinity within Los Angeles.
Our feature opening night gala is It's Dorothy, which is
really dope in full circle to Cuver City. It's Dorothy
(06:28):
is directed by Jeffery McHale. Essentially, it celebrates and looks
at the last one hundred and twenty five years of
not only Judy Garland's legacy and impact on the world,
but the Wizard of Oz and the many actresses that
have donned that role, and how that project has been
able to impact so many different cultures, and how seeing
the different backgrounds of the actresses who played Dorothy, it
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also speaks to the times now and also moving forward
as well. Who also have mixers, panels, master classes. We're
bringing in YouTube sensation Niger Dion to not only give
us a career retrospective or career, but also to speak
to how those can go about mastering digital filmmaking, especially
in the time like now where you can use your
mobile device to be vertically integrated. In addition to our
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closing night party, which is going to be our Young
Hollywood Gold Celebration happening at one COVID nine.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Where can they get all this information? You gave us a.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
Lot, Yeah, meshowfilmfest dot com also follow us at me
show filmfests in terms of passes.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Tickets are about to go on sale.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
You can check out some of the tentative program that
we have out right now, stay tapped in with me
at Noel bring him on all platforms as well.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Noel Bram, you are just introducing yourself to the audience.
You're just introducing us to the Me Show Film Festival.
But I know that you have inspired someone, and I
know that you have interested someone in attending. I'm just
going to ask, can we give away like two pairs
of tickets?
Speaker 5 (07:51):
Maybe next segment, man, brother, let's give away two passes instead.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Let's take it up a not two all as explain
the difference in the tickets and passes.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
So a ticket is just to one screening, but the
pass will give them access to not only screenings, the panels,
the parties, the mixers, the whole the whole shebang.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Though. Okay, wait wait, so.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
So how many passes were we gonna be given away here?
So the pass is good for one person?
Speaker 5 (08:16):
No, We're gonna give away four passes, two pair passes
to your audience, just for y'all having us on tonight.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Let's go to a break and let's get everyone ready
to call in, because we're not gonna give away now,
and we're going to I want you to right now
to go to the website, which is ME Showfilmfest dot com.
That's m I C h E a u X Filmfest
dot com and we'll have more with Noel Braham, just
a woman.
Speaker 6 (08:41):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
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Speaker 2 (08:53):
Can't fine Later with mo Kelly.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
We're live on YouTube in the iHeartRadio app And if
you're just tuning in, I'm right in the middle of
a conversation with Emmy nominated film maker and co co
founder of the MI Show Film Festival, Noel Braham, who
continues to join me in studio and no l Before
the break, we were breaking down the MI Show Film
Festival what people should expect at the Culver Theater starting
on October twenty thirty, runs through October twenty six.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Now, we talked about what an attendee.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
May experience, but for the filmmakers who are part of this,
what is their experience?
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Like?
Speaker 5 (09:26):
Man, it's special because you know, we make sure that
we put the filmmaker first as one of the models
that we have internally with the company. We care as
much about their project as we do them and their
background and how do they go about actually getting the
project off the ground to where they are today. So
not only are we providing them with all access passes
to experience the festival, we're looking to also create development
(09:48):
opportunities and meetings where they're able to sit down with
executives to find out and get insight and education about
how they can further advance their career. We're offering opportunities
as well for them to submit to an fy process.
This year, we're featuring over two hundred and seven projects
in person and then total we have two hundred and
fifty three which will also be housed on our virtual platform,
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so we're giving them exposure not only in person, but
also on a virtual scalere we'll be promoting all around
the nation, hopefully also capturing more of a global audience
as well. In addition to the mixers the networking opportunities,
we just had a huge mixer at Level eight last
week where we brought over four hundred creators out prior
to the fest, and our goal is to give them
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the ability to connect early so that they can use
that momentum relationship to hopefully push their career forward as
they get in to the festival itself.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
What's this read about? Ethan Hawk?
Speaker 5 (10:40):
So, our closing night project is She Dances, which is
directed by Rick Gomez. It stars Ethan Hawk, Sniko, Martin
green So from Starchek Discovery Yep, yep, and Steve's on
and it's a powerful film about a broken relationship between
a daughter and a father. But it's on the back
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drop of the Southeastern Regional Dance competition and then them
navigating their relationship in light of some of the emotional
internal challenges are having in terms of a family dynamic.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Am I wrong to say?
Speaker 3 (11:12):
I think of Steve zon More in a comedic vein
I know, And he's actually one of the writers of
the projects.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Yeah, and his daughter co stars alongside him. So I
think it was a personal film that they wanted to
get off the ground together. And then Ethan and Sidniko
also came along with that rye with Rick.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
How did you make that connection?
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Is it something that they submitted to you and reached
out to you to gain exposure for the film or
is it are you seeking out these projects as well?
Speaker 5 (11:39):
That particular project we recruited, you know, we saw that
they were screening at another festival and said, hey, we
really believe that this could also fit within our programming lineups.
Reading about the log line, can you all share it
with us? And just to kind of take you into
our programming process, we have seven to ten screeners. Shout
out to our screeners who have been watching projects since January,
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and we have a very tickless process where we're looking
at originality, the writing, the directing, the performances, the direction
a crowd pleaser, so there are different metrics that we're analyzing. Specifically,
after we got She Dances, we took it through our
same process. Even though we recruited it, we still wanted
to see the quality of it and do we feel
like you would ultimately line up with our overall lineup itself.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
That's pretty amazing.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Now for those who are inclusive of every film that
is in the Film Festival, how likely are they going
to be seen by possible distributors?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Oh? Very much so.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
Last year we had Netflix, Sony Pictures, who's one of
our sponsors, also was president.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
We have development executives.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
This year, Tyler Perry Studios is going to be out
and some of their executives. We're also reaching out to
a lot of strategic and high profile industry guests where
they'll be coming out to not only the opening night,
but screenings throughout. We often get contacted by production companies saying, hey,
what block do you all suggest we go out to?
What filmmakers are working on AB and C. How can
we maybe get involved or meet that creator. We've had
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creators and filmmakers who have gone through the fest and
gotten their projects picked up with various distributors and platforms. Specifically,
I want to brag about Jennifer A. Zaying because she
got an opportunity with Jamie Lee Curtis's production company. Jamie
Lee saw her project at me show, turned around and said, hey,
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I want to learn more about it. This was a short,
mind you. She sent in the feature length script and
then Jamie Lee bought it that project as a EP,
and that feature is now complete as a result of
the festival. So those are the type of opportunities that
can happen where even creators who were working on minimal
budgets can get the ability to be exposed to really
high profile individual and production companies.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
If I understand you correctly, there's something for just the
film enthusiasts, there's something for the film creator, and there's
something for the film developer.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
Absolutely, and someone just looking to just make real relationships.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
You know, often folks.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
Go to festivals and the goal is just I got
to do this, and I got to do this and
I got to make this happen, when sometimes it's really
just about being present, enjoying the experience and then allowing
those relationships to naturally come to you. And so I
think that the community element too is also really great
beyond some of the things that you can also accomplish.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Last segment, you were saying that you're going to give
away not one, not two, not three, but four passes
to the Me Show Film Festival. I'm saying October twenty
third through October twenty six, inclusive of all the events,
all the parties, all the screenings. Yes, sir, four passes.
Four at the Cover Theater, coverd Theater. Hey, Sam, I
(14:42):
think we need to open up the phones now because
we are getting ready to give away some passes to
the Me Show Film Festival October twenty third through October
twenty six at the Cover Theater courtesy of my guests
right now, Noel Brahm, I need since there are four passes, yep,
do you I guess I got to give away like two,
(15:03):
two and two. Right, we can do that, Okay, So
I need two numbers between one and ten.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
All right, I got it. Tell me now out loud,
two and eight okay.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Caller number two and caller number eight, give us a
call it eight hundred five to zero one kfive eight
hundred five two zero one five three four. Caller number
two and caller number eight. You and a guest will
be going to the Me Show Film Festival, which takes
place October twenty third through the twenty six at the
Cobra Theater in Culver City. It's a beautiful venue and
(15:34):
a beautiful city. It's a wonderful film festival. I'm jealous
you get to go there. Well, you're getting hooked up too.
The whole team is the whole team coming through a baby.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Caller number two and caller number eight.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
You and a guest will be going to the twenty
twenty five Mishow Film Festival, which runs October twenty third
through the twenty six at the Cobra Theater in Culver City.
Caller number two, you and call her number eight. I
don't know if you can see the phones from over there. Well,
they just exploded. They want passes.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Let's go.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
They want passes, right, So we're gonna give away at
least two pairs of these great passes to a four
day film festival, and you might see someone you know,
you might see someone who's famous.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Definitely, you definitely see some powerful people, definitely.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
Because we haven't even talked about our celebrity ambassadors. Well,
come on, little rel howery. So if anyone's seen get
Out Out Comedian actor, we also have Outa Rodriguez who
has an HBO special outbu Hilarious. And then I mentioned
Kneiger Dion who's also a huge mega YouTube sensation. She's
had over a billion views on all the digital platforms.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
So come on, y'all, let's tap in. We'd love to
meet y'all. Well, very quickly the website one more time.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
Me Showfilmfest dot com and then at me Show Filmfest
on all social media platforms. Also tap in with me
at Noel and E B R A H A M
as well on all social media platforms. Send me a message,
We'll love to connect and I do respond back.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
And it's M I C H E A U X
Filmfest dot com. Yes, sir, no else this is our
first time meeting, but it's not gonna be the last
time that we dialogue.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Come on, let let's do it again. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
It's Later with mo Kelly. Ca if I am six forty.
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Speaker 6 (17:25):
You're listening to Later with mo Kelly on demand from
KFI A m six forty.
Speaker 7 (17:30):
Welcome to MO on the Movies, right, don't be ridiculous, darling,
it's MO on the Movies.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Not a chance.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
K if I, mister mo Kelly. We're live everywhere on
YouTube and the iHeartRadio app. And you know sometimes you
don't want to have politics in your movies. Well, the
president has other designs. As President Trump announced today through
executive action that he promises a one hundred percent tariff
on movies made outside of America. And let me just
(18:16):
be very honest, I don't know what the hell that means.
What do you mean a movie made outside of America?
Are we talking about a Disney movie which may have
a filming location in Budapest? Are we talking about a
foreign movie that is going to be distributed here in
(18:36):
the United States?
Speaker 2 (18:37):
And does it mean within the physical United States or does.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
It mean on a streaming platform like Netflix, which is
a multinational corporation and has you know, I don't know
what it means, so I don't know what to say
about it, But this is what I do know. I
know the President often makes these pronouncements without thinking them through.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
But movies are not a physical.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Product per se that arrives on a ship that you
can tax upon entry at a port, like you would guns,
butter widgets or whatever.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
That it's not that.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
So I don't know if the President understands exactly how
movies are made in the twenty first century. I don't
know if he understands that you can make a movie
on an iPhone and you don't have to necessarily be
in any particular location with CGI, or you could film
the whole movie in the United States and then send
(19:39):
it out for post production in some other country. Does
that make it a foreign movie? Does that mean that
it's outside the United States? Mark, you've been in this
business longer than me. I don't know what he means.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
I don't either, mo.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
I kind of want to stay the hell out of this,
but there's no way to. We live in the world's
epicenter of entertainment because I was asked by a lot
of people today. It's like, MO, what do you think
about this?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
It's like, I don't know what to think, because what
is an American movie?
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Are you saying that the production company has to exist
in America or all the filming, all the post production?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
I mean, the question is, is he gonna do to
American movies what he has apparently done to American farmers
with his tariffs, which is drive them out of business
and then offer them tax payer money for a bailout.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
We don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Well, let's go down that road for a minute, and
let's just say we have settled on the definition of
an American made movie. Let's say we've settled on that definition.
Are you saying then that you're going to put one
hundred percent tariff on any movie which is quote unquote
not American made? In other words, any movie was let's
(20:53):
say Mission Impossible till all around the world. Are you
going to say then that there's going to be one
hundred percent tariff for American movie theaters to show that movie?
And if so, you are effectively killing movie theaters from
(21:14):
coast to coast, because who pays that tariff? The movie
theater then passes it on to us the consumer, so
that eighteen dollars ticket.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
To see mission impossible.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
I'm just using that as an example, because it was
filmed all around the world. That eighteen dollars ticket instantly
becomes thirty six dollars. How is that sustainable for anybody?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Yeah, the tariffs just objectively appear to be somewhat arbitrary.
I mean, we know that prescription drugs are going to
have a one hundred percent tariff placed on very soon
as well, and how that shakes out is anybody's guests.
Hopefully a lot of people can still afford their medications.
But I mean, it's easy to dismiss movies as not
(21:59):
being that.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
But it's part of a larger hoole. It's a part
of our economy.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
And we all know if Hollywood is doing poorly, it's
usually a reflection of the larger economy doing poorly. And
this is something what I think people still don't understand.
And if you understand this, and good for you, but
far too many people don't understand that the.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Tariff is paid by us.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
So when the President says he's putting a tariff on
movies made outside the country. Anything that is under a
tariff is going to be paid for by the quote unquote,
and I do mean quote unquote importer, and then that's
passed on to us.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
We are paying that tariff.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
However it shakes out, the consumer always pays those no
matter what anybody tells you.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
How does that help the movie theater industry? How does
that help the movie studio industry. I have no idea.
We won't be able to settle on a definition of
what is an American movie because these are This is
intellectual property. It's not a physical product in the sense
of you can put a tariff on it as you
would any other physical item.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Yeah, it's baffling, and it would take you know, somebody
to do a diagnosis to figure out what the true
motive is behind these because I don't know that it's
been stated really explicitly.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Here is the quote from the president quote, our movie
making business has been stolen from the United States of
America by other countries, just like stealing candy from a baby. California,
with its weak and incompetent governor, has been particularly hard hit. Therefore,
in order to solve this long time, never ending problem,
I will be imposing a one hundred percent tariff on
(23:42):
any and all movies that are made outside of the
United States. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Close quote for your attention to this matter. Well, okay,
we know the governor has been needling the living daylights
out of the President with his Twitter account, and I
don't it's not completely outside the realm of possibility that
(24:03):
this could be vindictive to get back at Newsom. I'm
quite sure there's a part of it, because most of
what the president does is on some level personal. You know,
you can talk about James Comy, there's a personal aspect
to that. You can talk about the investigation of John
Bolton and Christopher Ray.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
There's this personal level to that, and it's not hidden.
This isn't us going out on a limb.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
That you know, We're not just trying to get into
his mind. No, he explicitly tells us that. But look,
I don't know what to say because you can't really
put a tariff on movies, and you can't even really
you can't even define what is a movie being made
outside of the United States? Is it shooting location, is
(24:43):
it post production? You know what does that mean? And
until we get some clarity. I don't know what to say.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yeah, it's baffling and it's frustrating, and we already know
the movie industry was on pretty shaky ground already, so
it might not take much of a nudge to really
give it a fatal blow.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
We'll find out, I mean, hopefully he'll tell us. I
just don't know what it is. It just doesn't make
any sense on any level. Well, fortunately you and I
are in the stable and lucrative radio industry, and radio
is doing great. Oh yeah, weak, weak, It's Later with
mo Kelly cay if I AM six forty WeLive everybody.
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in Coast to Coast AM when we come back.
Speaker 6 (25:23):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
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Speaker 3 (25:29):
Later with mo Kelly coming up in just moments, will
be Coast to Coast AM with George Norri. Let's find
out what's going on with him right now? Hey, George,
how is your weekend great?
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Mister Kelly? How about George? Uh?
Speaker 3 (25:40):
It was it was uh forgettable, you know. Let me
just put it like that. Not all weekends are great.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
You're hedging. It wasn't that good.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Huh, No, it was not. No, it was not, But
God will it'll be another one.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
All right, Well, we'll say a prayer for you, Thank you,
good night. On the show, we're going to talk about
why people are acting so irrationally, and then later on
near death experiences on coast to coast.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
You know, with the exception of UFOs, there's nothing I'd
like more as a topic than the near death experiences.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
That always fascinates me.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
It's great stuff. And one day we'll be on the
other side calling in, won't.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
We hopefully not too soon though.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Just don't call us a collect They.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Don't do that anymore. George, there's no more collect I know.
That's old school by George.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Yeah, and before we get out of here, we have
to talk about what's her name, Tilly?
Speaker 2 (26:36):
What was her name? Mark? Tilly the AI?
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yeah, I just closed out that file, but I think
that's it. It'll take me a second to get it back.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Tilly the AI is an actress quote unquote, and Tilly
is on the verge of getting a lucrative deal, like
you know, with an agent.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Philly Norwood.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Tilly Norwood, and it's created by Eline Vanderveld and the
CEO of the AI production company Particle six, and she's
being called an actress has garnered interest from studios with
talent agents looking to sign her.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
This goes to the heart.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Of the SAG after debate we talked about years ago,
where SAG actors were concerned about being replaced in various
forms and ways by AI, the use of people's image
and likeness without their permission and used in conjunction with AI. Well,
here the future is now, and this is happening, and
(27:37):
if they can use this for Hollywood actors and actresses,
even though it may be a pale imitation, even though
it may be something which is lacking an overall creativity
that an actual human would, you can tell how greed
once again is going to guide this discussion in the
(27:57):
sense that Hollywood is willing to use something which is
going to cost less than a real person. It's true
in fast food, it's true in radio, it's true in
movies and television.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
I'm sorry, Mark, it's here, but we can resist it,
and people aren't. Actors are telling other actors to drop
the agency that signs here, and that's one step that
can be taken.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Yeah, but there's going to be more than one Tilly,
nor would in the sense that it may be a
principal stand against this particular actor quote unquote, But I
don't know, big picture, long term, whether that's a viable strategy.
In other words, maybe the big studios stay away, but
the smaller independent ones are more welcome to and more
(28:44):
open to it because they have fewer assets to work with,
they have less of a budget for a lot of
their projects. Or let's say you're just trying to do
an independent film and then take it to like a
film festival.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
What's preventing that being shunned by your colleagues. I mean,
let's say change the subject to comics, Okay, right now.
In comics, anybody who uses AI in any aspect of
the creative process is absolutely shunned. Everybody knows who are
Nobody wants to work with you or run your material.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Let me use your analogy against you.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
In the world of comedy, it's one of the worst
things you can do is steal someone's joke.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
But it still happens all the time. True, but it's
the exception and not the rule. Once you're busted out,
everybody knows it and they think you're a hab.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I don't know some of the biggest names. I mean,
Robin Williams.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Was supposedly a huge joke stealer.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah, I didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
But I mean more and more stories have come out
since these past regarding that. But all I'm saying is
you have to have a unified front all the way
around if you're going to keep AI out of entertainment.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
And I don't think it will ever be there.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
I just don't think it's a fade of complete I
think too many people don't want it, and the more
people speak out, the more everybody is educated about what
is being rammed down their throats.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
And I don't think viewers want it either.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Well, the agents will say, hey, we're ready to sign
this it this AI personality actress, So someone sees potential
value in these AI things.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
I think that's always going to exist, though, don't you.
I mean it goes back to a degree. There's always
going to be some element of every industry that has
no standards whatsoever as long as they can make a
profit out of it. And we have to push back
against that. That people who care have to push back
against that, especially the ones whose livelihood might depend on it.
And I think, you know, nobody really wants to watch
(30:44):
a movie with non humans in it. Once they find
that out, they might reach a point where you can't
tell the difference.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
But people are going to know one way or the other. Well,
I guess it's relative.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
As far as the concept of non humans, Yes, you're
using human's voice, but AI or CGI, it's hard to
see where the line is anymore. As far as with
existing movies, well, we keep on reading about the AI
bubble being about to burst here and how it's just
not profitable and how all the resources that it requires
(31:18):
are unsustainable.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
And I mean, I don't know what the tipping point
is going to be, but I think it's going to
crash and burn. Here's what the creator of Tilly had
to say. Quote Tilly is not a replacement for a
human being, but a creative work, a piece of art
like many forms of art.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Before her calls it to her, she.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Sparks conversation, and that in itself shows the power of creativity.
I see AI as not a replacement for people, but
as a new tool, a new paintbrush, just as animation
puppetry or CGI open fresh possibilities without taking away from
the live acting. AI offers another way to imagine and
build stories. I'm an actor myself, and nothing, certainly not
(31:58):
an AI character can t take away the craft or
joy of human performance.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Close quote is that bs.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
If this were the old Johnny Carson show, he would
have gotten a pie in the face, and that's exactly
what he deserves.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Okay, so no, I'm Tilley nor would huh.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Well, let's put it in a subject that I'm sure
you'll be able to relate to personally, which is lechery.
So you know, when you go on to Instagram or threads,
it is just rife with pictures of scantily clad women,
and half of those are really obviously AI.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Do you have any interest in that? I don't know.
I don't.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
But there are a lot of people who respond to
those porn bots, really a lot, yes, and we clown
them all the time, but there is a market for them.
We talked about this with doctor Sam. People want to
connect on some level, and if they think that they
can make a connection with this porn.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Bot, it's enough.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Well, maybe there's always going to be a percentage, However,
small it is, but I have no more interest in
that than I have in looking at, you know, a
card tune of a woman.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Yeah, but I'm not in the blow up dolls. But
someone is.
Speaker 8 (33:04):
There are markets for it, anime has their own, there's
there's plenty of different things that people can tap into
to scratch that itch.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I don't dispute any of that. But the thing is,
we can't let it appear to be more than the
tiny niche that it is.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Mark. I can't wait to see you die on that hill.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
You just you had to add the words on that
hill because really you just want to see me die.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Well, it's never mind, Okay, if I am six forty
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