April 10, 2024 • 34 mins
ICYMI: Hour Two of ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – ‘What’s Streaming’ with regular guest commentator Chris Woolsey, Senior Director of Communications for Chicken Soup for the Soul Entertainment, reviewing “Fury of Nature Films” on Redbox & “True Crime Docs” on Crackle…PLUS – Ticketmaster may lose its “virtual monopoly” on concert/event ticket buying thanks to a newly proposed California Bill AND at long last Elon Musk is admitting his Tweets have hurt more than they’ve helped - on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app
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You're listening to Later with Moe Kellyon demand from KFI AM six forty.
Joining me in studio is our regularcontributor commentator Chris Woolsey. She just took
for this Soul Entertainment. Good tosee you, brother, Good to be
seen by you. I always haveto ask you because I'm always curious to
someone who works in the business,what do you watch when you're not doing
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business? Well, I'm watching alot of things right now, but one
of them was your recommendation from thelast time I was here, which one
three Body Problem. Oh oh,okay, see. I recommended it to
Mark Ronner as well, and hehasn't quite you know, gotten on board
yet. I was given a homeworkassignment. I went home and did my
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homework. Okay, and did youpass? Love it? It's so good.
I know, I know where areyou in the series. I just
started the third episode okay, yeah, yeah. It really really picks up
speed that you have a sense ofwhat is going on. You know where
it's headed, but you don't knowwhy it's going on. Yes, yes,
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but I just love the structure.I love the three different storylines and
how they're interweaving them, and youknow, we talked about this before,
but I'm a huge history nerd andso all of that Chinese Revolution stuff is
fascinating to me. And it's alsowho done it? Yeah, because people
are dying and you don't know whythey're dying, who is responsible? You
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know, law enforcement they are investigatingit, and you're you're kept in the
dark as well. You don't knowexactly what's going on, and they and
they just the way they drip theinformation out to you is so great.
And I'm not gonna spoil anything,but that first death, I was just
like, what, yes, yes, and all of a sudden, Oh,
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we're doing this. Yeah, yeah, I don't okay, I was
not on my Bingo card, No, not at all, but yeah,
I hope it's been doing very wellin terms of hours being viewed on Netflix.
I usually don't watch series the firstseason because I'm afraid of getting emotionally
attached and then they're not renewed,canceled, whatever, then they leave me
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hanging. That's my only concern.Agreed, Yep, I loved it.
There's a show called Pushing Daisies thatI absolutely loved and we were all in
and they killed it after one season. Right, and what else are you
watching? My son and I watchedmurder Ball. No, I don't know
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that one's so good. You hadso you've got an assignment. Now,
it's okay, fair enough. Soit is about a It is about the
paralytic rugby league. So it isguys in these armored wheelchairs who play rugby
on an international level and all thepolitics and drama and comedy that goes along
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with these characters. And it basicallyfocuses on the Canadian team and the American
team who had this insane rivalry,and the coach from the American team had
jumped ship and gone to coach theCanadians, and so he's kind of like
this Benedict Arnold character, and it'sit's fascinating, okay, And it won
a ton of a words. Ithink it was nominated for an Oscar.
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If it didn't, you I'm gonnaget it wrong. But it was like
two thousand and one, two andthree something like that early odds. Fair
enough, I will report back,it's right. And then because so many
people have recommended it to me,I was like, okay, I will
watch it. We watched the GreatestNight in Pop Yes, yes, yes,
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Oh my gosh, such a greatdoctor stories, the anecdotes, the
behind the behind the scenes, Ohmy gosh. They clearly I didn't know
that it happened over the course ofone night. I didn't know it was
after the American Music Awards. Ididn't know it ran until four in the
morning, for example. Yeah,I thought it was just any other regular
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recording day and they just schedule allthis and write. That's what I fegared
too. No, like how exhaustedand hammered were most of those people after
the AFA's well, I always hadto go right. I always tell people,
you don't know how unfun those awardshows are. To actually be there
and you just sit there for threehours, not like you can eat or
anything like that. You can't getfood or drink, and then to lead
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the show, presumably like eleven o'clock, because back then they filmed it from
eight to eleven. Then go toan all night recording session. It was
crazy. And if you're lying onRichie, you've already hosted the AMAS and
now you have to manage some sixtyworld class talent artists and their egos.
I didn't realize I had been inthat room, so it eventually became Jim
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Henson Studios. Yes, and mydaughter was on two episodes of Dinosaur Train
and they filmed it in that room. At the time, I had no
idea that that's what that was legendary. The whole time we were there,
I was like, honey, thisis where they filmed Fragle Rock, and
this is where they filmed the Muppetsand like, and she was so young
she barely understood what I was talkingabout. But had I known that that
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was actually where they filmed We arethe World Crazy Greatest Night and Pop is
one of the best documentaries I've seenin the past ten years. Yeah.
Maybe because I had a personal i'llsay affinity for all the artists in the
room. I didn't know that,I'll say Cindy Lapper's voice was that strong,
for example, I didn't I didn'tknow that Darryl Hall was singing that
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strong. I didn't know that.I don't want to give it all away.
Lewis was like, save the day. I didn't know that al Jirau
was drunk the whole time. Thosethings real drunk, real drunk and singing,
you know, and performing. Itwas a great story. Oh Man,
and the whole thing with Bob Dylanand Stevie Wonder having to mimic him
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to help get him going like thatwas unbelievable. I did look, and
I don't want to give it away. There were a bunch of other controversies
of people who didn't want to docertain things and who walked out. Didn't
know that, and I didn't knowhow they kept all those stories under wraps
all these years, because the footagehasn't changed. No, no, yeah,
it's so good. Go watch it. Gotch Well, we talked all
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that time about what you were watching. Now when we come back, let's
talk about what we, inclusive ofme, need to watch on both Crackle
and red Box coming this week?Can you do that for me? Beautiful?
You're listening to Later with Moe Kellyon demand from KFI AM six forty.
Okay, I am six forty.We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio apps.
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Later with Mo Kelly. Chris WilseeChicken Soup for the Soul Entertainment joins
me in studio. Chris, wehave some titles to discuss on red Box
and Crackle being featured this week.Let's start with red Box. What do
you got So with the eclipse thisweek and everybody kind of freaking out about
eclipse something I the sun went dark, I don't know, And then you
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know, we had the earthquake onthe East coast. A lot of things
going on. I thought it wouldbe appropriate to do sort of a Fury
of Nature selection for us tonight.But what I will say is I hope
that you are eating a high proteindiet because there is so much cheese in
the movies. You got to balanceit out. Oh man, the first
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one post impact from two thousand andfour, This is a meteor strike causes
a new ice age, and DeanCaine is the only hope for these future
Dean Kine, Yes, I gotsome stories to tell you about him sometimes.
Oh no, we used to playbasketball against each other in the Entertainment
Basketball League. Yeahs been fun.We love playing basketball and you have actors,
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actresses. I was working in themusic industry. It's just an entertainment
basketball league, and he would ball. I can't remember the team that he
was playing on, but I wasplaying for Virgin Records team and always had
to d him up. He couldplay a little bit. This was many
years ago, but yeah, yeah, yeah, I've hung out with him
a couple of times. He's verynice. He is he is, but
I could also see him being intense. Oh no, he would talk a
lot of trash on the court.I tell you, next time we run
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in to him, ask him aboutthe Entertainment Basketball League, I will.
Yeah. Awesome. We've got onecalled End of the World from twenty eighteen,
and this is about solar flares causingtsunamis volcanoes and mass flooding, and
a group of survivors in La hasto make their way to in La in
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La has to make their way tohigh elevation caves nearby. I'm like,
nearby, that's what San Berd,you know, mountain, That's what I
said. I was like, howhigh elevation the Sanda Bertin. I was
like, this is like ten thousandfeet maybe maybe? Yeah, So I
don't know how they survived there.But it's not close. No, it's
not even a two hour drive.Yeah, for sure, for sure.
And it's starring Joseph Michael Harris,who is like the the Stephen King of
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of disaster movie actors because he hasbeen in such hits as Doomsday Meteor,
Sandrea's Megaquake and twenty twenty five Armageddon, so all big hits. Yes,
this guy knows from disaster hits.And then finally we've got a super fun
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one Ocean's Rising, which is exactlywhat you think. So the the ice
caps melt completely and it's it's waterWorld before there was a water world.
And it's starting Jason Tobias from Bloodlines, the vampire series, and it's super
fun. So it's it is likea microcosm of humanity. So it's a
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bunch. It's a fistful of peopleon a boat and they are, as
far as they know, they arethe last of humanity to make it out
alive. Yeah. I don't knowif I want to survive, you know,
if I'm the last of I don'tknow, twelve or whatever. Yeah,
what am I trying to live for? Seriously? I know, Yeah,
nobody's going to be making decent waffles. No, there's nothing to look
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forward to. I know. Prettygrim. Got me get sick and dive.
Yeah yeah, well you'll you'll haveto see what happened. Okay,
all right, very fun, veryfun. Crackle crackle. So last time
I recommended a movie called American Animalsthat is phenomenal, and we talked.
We had some like caper movies thatwe talked a little bit about, and
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I love crime. I love capermovies. I love true crime. So
I thought I would I would selecta group of true crime documentaries. We've
got a lot of documents. Wehave hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of documentaries.
Say that again, because listeners theylove some true crime, want to
make sure we slow down and Ican hear your offerings. Okay, great,
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so we have do we talk aboutForensic Files? I don't believe.
So. So we have Forensic Files, which is the longest running true crime
show in history, and we havefourteen seasons, even long them like Dateline
or whatever. It's while. Sothese are re enactments, got it,
okay, And it's been on forfourteen seasons. We have all fourteen seasons.
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It is awesome. But it's likeDateline. I can't Dateline. If
I hear the theme music or Ihear his voice, I have to sit
down and then I'll look up andit's Tuesday, like right like it's dangerous.
And that's the same thing with ForensicFiles, like you just get sucked
in and before you know it you'vewatched twelve episodes and your kids have graduated
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from college, Like, sorry,what at the time? Go right?
Forensic Files is terrific and not onlyis it a good show, but it's
also the best one in the worldto fall asleep too. Oh, that's
good to you watch it late atnight. I know lots of people who
have and do. And yes,I used to see. I can't watch
that at night because I'm usually soengrossed. It keeps me going well into
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the morning. Yep. Yeah,well but they depict the most disturbing crimes
imaginable. But the narrator's voice isso soothing. Yes, oh my gosh,
it's incredible. Yeah. Yeah,my mom falls asleep to id that
that channel. Yeah, I've gota single night. My sainted mother will
fall asleep to people getting knifed everytime. So true crime documentaries, we've
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got those. We've got a greatone. This was a Crackle original.
You can only see it on Crackleand it's called After the Murder of Albert
Lima and it's really good. It'sthe true story of this philanthropist who was
from Roatan, which is a smallisland off the coast of Honduras. And
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he went back to try to helpa family out who is losing their family
business, and in the process ofthat, one of the members of the
family actually murdered him and his sonspoiler alert, right, his son went
back thirteen years in a row totry to get his father's killer brought to
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justice. And it is an amazingdocumentary. But while it's also that story
is fascinating, it's almost like itwas written by the Cohen brothers because there
are a few characters in this.There are these two bounty hunters that couldn't
be dumber if their life depended onit, and they get into the craziest
situations. So there's this weird threadof comedy that also runs through this very
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serious documentary but is phenomenal. We'vegot another one called Beyond Human Nature,
which is a very famous Midwestern murdercase about this guy, Tom Manfels,
who worked at a paper mill inGreen Bay, Wisconsin and was found at
the bottom of one of the pulptanks and it there was all these issues
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going on with the union at thetime, and they assumed he had been
murdered, and this investigation took place. And I'm not going to spoil anything,
but it has an ending that youdo not expect. It's really really
well done, beyond human nature.Any connection are should say, any similarity
to Hafa other than the fact thatthey, yeah, well, I know
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we will discover Half's bottom at onepoint, not in our lifetime. Is
in some concrete foundation somewhere, Yes, it is definitely. He is definitely
wearing the concrete shoes somewhere for sure. And then finally we have a great
one, The Woman who Wasn't There. And this is the story of a
woman named Tanya Heed who told thisharrowing story of barely surviving the World Trade
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Center collapse. Eventually became president ofthe World Trade Center Survivor Network, only
to discover that her story may notactually hold water. And again, I'm
not gonna spoil anything because I wantpeople to watch it. But the Woman
who Wasn't there fascinating, fascinating.I've always wondered about that people who have
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told their stories over the years,and sometimes the stories become larger than life.
And even though there were millions ofpeople in New York, I'm quite
sure some people have been prone toexaggeration because of the enormity of that day,
yep, yep. And in somecases, as in this one,
what they stand again by making thatstory larger than the truth. Now,
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see that one really piques my interest. Well, Chris, you always have
these great suggestions and these great recommendations. And Bethany Brown from the News department
came in in the break because shewanted to follow up with you on those
great chocolate chip cookies. So onemore time for people if they missed that
episode. We were talking about thosechocolate chip cookies. I know people have
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been wondering about them. Those arecookies by Heather dot Com and they I
can say, inarguably they are thegreatest chocolate chip cookie that I will ever
have in my entire life. Well, I know Bethany agrees, because she
stole seven of them at least atleast I never forgot about it. We're
not exaggerating. She had like ai'll say a towel full of them that
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she was carrying like a child downthe hall. She had a sticking out
from underneath the bottom of that.We're exaggerating, but not by much because
her, like all of us,were so surprising. You'd go to grab
the cookie and it was they werewarm, like that was warm the cherry
on top Yep. Well, let'sbe honest. We all made a few
disappear. Yeah, I had three. I didn't have seven or eight.
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Three Three is healthy. I hadthree, I I remember. And then
I called everyone else in the studiobecause I if I didn't call you in,
I would be inclined to eat evenmore, and I didn't want to
eat more. Well, I broughtsomething in tonight, so everybody's got a
head over again. But yeah,I put on a pair of skinny jeans
today and I had my cell phonein the Wait, we're about the same
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age. What are you doing?We'aring skinny jeans? Wow? So I
put my phone in the pocket andI could actually read the screen while it
was still in my pocket. There'sa hint. I gotta get these things
out of the house. It's notokay. Well, Chris, I gotta
get you out of here. I'mout of time. I always love doing
this with you, and hopefully weget to do it again and stay in
touch with me, because I wantto hear about what you think about the
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last three body problem. Yes,done and done. Love to get your
thoughts and Mark Ronner. Eventually youget on it as well. I have
some trash to finish first. Mygoodness. This is lated with mo Kelly
ca if. I am six fortyLive Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app with Kelly
Okay six Live Everywhere on the iHeartRadioapp. I'm not one to go to
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concerts much anymore. I love music, and I love seeing live music,
but I'm not one to go toconcerts for a number of reasons. I'll
go every now and then if someonewill provide the tickets for free, that's
one way. And as an artistthat I've never seen before or I really
really want to see maybe one moretime. But other than that, I'm
not going to pay the exorbitant pricesfor these concerts. Most of the time,
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you got to buy your tickets throughTicketmaster, and you may not remember
Ticketmaster and Live Nation. They mergedback in twenty ten, and according to
Democratic Assembly Member Buff Wicks, ticketprices have gone up a hundred and one
hundred and forty percent since twenty ten. We've talked about the dynamic pricing of
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ticketing. We've talked about how ticketbrokers will buy up some of these tickets
and resell them at astronomical prices.We've talked about how ticketmasters being sued by
Taylor Swift and others for unfair practices. Well, now this Democratic Assembly member
Buff Wicks has introduced this bill ABtwo eight eight, which is aimed to
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make tickets to concerts and events cheaperby forcing more competition. I don't know
how exactly that's going to work.They want to say that this will loosend
ticketmasters near monopoly on the market.Wicks said, quote, Companies will have
to compete for your business, whichwill lead to lower fees and better service.
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Opening retail to competition will also meanmore transparency, making it more difficult
for fraudulent tickets to be sold.We support, excuse me, we support
reforms to improve ticketing, but thisis the opposition. We support reforms to
improve ticketing, but AB twenty eightheight will not do that, this is
what Ticketmaster is saying. It willinstead undermine the efforts of artists, sports
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teams, and primary ticketing companies tominimize minimize ticket scalping. Close quote.
Let me just say this, andI haven't delved deep into the bill,
but unless you're going to actually createanother company, there is no competition to
speak of. Name another ticketing agency. Are you going to limit then the
number of tickets which are made availableto Ticketmaster and the rest will just be
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available to the general public. Maybethat's one thing, but I don't know
if since the genie's out of thebottle whether you can correct this. Maybe
you can change or limit practices likedynamic processing excuse me, pricing where the
ticket on the price is the ticketon the price, and you don't allow
that to ebb and flow with justdemand. That's just robbing people from looking
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at the development of this bill.I understanding is that there actually are several
small, all er ticket brokers thatare out there, and lots of times
their complaint is that they are essentiallyblocked from even getting access to artists when
they come to town, even gettinga buy on tickets to be able to
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do something. So what they're sayingis Ticketmaster will no longer be able to
buy, you know, eighty ninetypercent of the available tickets that become available
in the market. The market sharewill then have to be split among or
made available for some of these smallerticket agencies. By doing that, what
happens, is what they're saying isif Ticketmaster is not allowed to buy some
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you know, the lion's share ofthe tickets. Because what happens is Ticketmaster
has these these blocks that you canbuy, and they've tried all types of
different methodologies, but it still comesdown to people who aren't even interested in
going to see these shows. Whatthey're doing is they're going and buying both
tickets and then going back and sellingand reselling them. What they're saying is
by breaking it up, there's lessdemand on just getting that end. You
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can then sell the tickets for aphase value if everyone has access to being
able to Celtics or enough companty.Not everyone, but if enough companies have
access to selling tickets, that takesaway that demand. It's almost like Comic
Con. If there were a bunchof different comic cons, then Comic Con
would not sell out in thirty secondsand everyone would be able to enjoy it
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over a period of time versus oneweekend in San Diego. Well, it's
a self fulfilling prophecy. They're creatingthe demand spike, which fuels the dynamic
pricing. If you have all thetickets and you only release a portion or
percentage of them, people cannot buythe tickets and then you're gonna make the
tickets which are available astronomical on price. Yeah yeah, I mean in that
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regard, it is a racket.I don't know if you can legislate your
way around it unless you just,to your point, limit the amount of
tickets which can be purchase as apercentage or you know, I don't know
if you have to actually bring inthe record labels because they're making the decision
also to work with Ticketmaster. Iassume yeah, they're making this. But
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again, remember a lot of thesetours when they are put out its record
labels and its artists, because that'swhere many artists are actually making their money
by live performances. Not everyone isa tailor sort who's writing their music.
Many of them are just getting theirmoney off of performing. And that's when
it comes into booking agents and tourman people who put together tours, who
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come together and say, hey,I've got this tour package. I can
afford one headliner to you know,supporting acts and a bunch of opening acts,
and this is what I'm able toafford on them. And then they
go to Ticketmaster and they try tosell said concerts to Ticketmaster, be a
new edition featuring Keith Sweat, SWVand John B. They go to a
ticket match and say, here's thetour. Ticketmaster says, here are the
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venues that we have access to.The venues weeks exclusively, venue theaters,
arenas and stuff like that. Andso this this assimilarity. He's trying to
break this up and say this,you cannot have this much sway over what
happens for the ticket buying audience,because you are really making it impossible for
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fans to actually come and see theseartists. I support it, I just
don't know if there will be wellput this way, it's a democratically proposed
bills. In other words, theDemocrats can push it through if they want
to support it. They have asuper majority in Sacramento. They can push
it through. My question is willit bring about the desired result. That's
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and I speak at I speak aboutit from someone who kind of knows the
dirty underside of the business. TicketMaster's been getting down like this forever forever.
They've just increased their power over theyears, but this is how they've
always done it. From the fees. You know, they're charging you fees
for a ticket you're buying online.You're not even getting a physical ticket in
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many instances anymore. Now it's onyour phone. You're not even printing tickets,
but there's a ticket service fee andthat kind of stuff. We'll see
you're listening to later with Moe Kellyon demand from KFI AM six forty.
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When you see public figures say stuff, sometimes it might be controversial, sometimes
it might be rather interesting. Sometimesit might be self deprecating. You really
shouldn't believe any of that. Whatthey say under oath in a deposition usually
means far more. There's a lotof bluster out there, there's a lot
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of grand standing, there's a lotof image self and grandizement out there.
But when they're under oath in adeposition, you usually hear a different tune.
Elon Musk admitted that his posts onthe x platform formerly known as Twitter,
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his posts may have financially harmed thecompany in the long run. He
has never said that publicly, buthe said it in a deposition while he
was getting sued. This is thedeposition on March twenty seventh. He's being
sued by twenty two year old BenBrody Sue and Musk for defamation because last
fall a legend that Musk was pushinga conspiracy theory, which he's been known
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to do, that falsely identified Brodyas being involved in a fight between two
far right groups in Oregon. Andso when you sue someone, you get
to depose the opposition and get themon record. And Musk admitted that his
posts on X may have financially harmedthe company in the long run. Of
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course, he denied any intent.He didn't mean to defame twenty two year
old Ben Brody and said that anytype of harm which might have come to
him from the false attribution or thefalse connection was going to be minor in
nature. But for me, thebiggest part is Elon Musk, in his
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quiet moments, in his legal moments, knows that he is probably his own
biggest enemy. He would never admitpublicly that he is hurting his own company.
Remember his financial bluster. He wouldsay to the Washington Post and anyone
else that didn't want to advertise onTwitter slash X, he said, gfy,
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go eat yourself. That's probably nota good business strategy. And he
puts up forward the face that heis supremely confident in himself and he doesn't
need anyone else. But he understandsmoney. I would like to believe he
understands losing money what that means.And he admits, at least privately in
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a deposition that his behavior, hisposts, his carelessness, my word,
is costing him money and making Twitterslash x less financially viable. How's the
first thing. It's pretty significant givenhis public spin on everything. Number one
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X is not in a good place. Number two X is not in a
good place in large part because ofElon Musk's behavior and his posts. You
might call it anti semitism on Monday, you may call it racism on Tuesday.
You may call it just garden varietysexism on Wednesday. But his posts
as an aggregate have hurt x slashTwitter not helped. That's the first thing.
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Also, he was asked his thoughtsin a different conversation on a podcast
about AI, and I think it'sprobably appropriate to ask him what he thinks
about it, give it his connectionto technology, and he had a more
somber look at what AI is goingto mean for you in me in just
the next couple of years. Now, what's your take on where we are
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in the AI race? Just?Now? Wow? That's a long answer.
There's there's so much happening in it. AI is the fastest advancing technology
that I've ever seen of any kind, and I've seen a lot of technology
earlier week goes by without some newannouncement. So, and if you look
at the amount of AI hardware,the computer's coming online that are dedicated to
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AI, that is increasing what lookslike at least by a factor of ten
every year, if not every sixto nine months. So when you combine
the hardware coming online really order ofmagnitude increase every you know, call at
least every nine months, and manymany software breakthroughs. If you look at
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that, that COVID looks insane.So I think we'll My guess is that
we will have have AI that issmaller than any any one human probably around
the end of next year, andthen the total amount of sort of sentient
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compute of AI, I think willprobably exceed all humans in five years.
I think he's probably right, sinceyou talk about AIS exponential in nature.
But it's not whether he's right,But what does that mean ultimately? So
what computers in a way are alreadysmarter than us with their computational ability We're
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just talking about whether there're sentience andwhether it can think for itself and learn
on its own and assess its ownenvironment in a way which has nothing to
do with human input. And ifthat happens, do we get skynet,
do we get I robot? Ordo we get some sort of connection of
both. Do we get something whichis, you know, less deadly in
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nature. I don't know. Idon't think anyone knows. I don't know.
He hasn't really done a whole lotto earn himself the benefit of the
doubt. So I think when hetalks about AI like that, I dismiss
him as a crank. I mean, if he told me he was raining
outside, I'd go to the windowand look out beside myself. If he
wanted to sell me one of hiscrappy cars, I'd take one of those
old pintos with the exploding gas tankfirst. He has turned intentionally Twitter acts
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Twitter into a cesspool, an absolutecesspool of racism disinformation. Open nazis harmful
disinformation as well. And he's donethis on purpose, There's no question about
that. But I think two thingscan be true here, what he did
and what he's done with X andTwitter. I think that's self evident.
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How that has harmed Tesla and it'sstock price is probably a corollary. I
think those things are connected related,absolutely right. But when he gives his
opinion on AI, I think iscoming from a point of someone who's least
been exposed to the upper limit ofAI. Right now, it doesn't mean
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his opinion is accurate. And it'snot like he's hawking an AI product,
at least not as of yet.Maybe, but people have made a pretty
strong case that he actually hasn't innovateda single thing himself, but it's just
been good at buying and appropriating otherpeople's stuff. So I don't even know
what his expertise is on this subject. Well, it's true, he's not
an engineer, he's not an inventorper se. He's put his name on
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a lot of stuff. I don'tknow what type of technical expertise he's lent
to Neuralink. I don't know ifhe's funding it in the sense of giving
it the seed money and providing itsfunding and nothing more than that. I
don't know how much scientific input hehas, but I will give him the
benefit of the doubt as far asidentifying companies with potential and then helping them
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realize their potential. With exception ofTwitter, I don't know what that was.
I think that was just ego.I just you know, someone said
why don't you buy Twitter? AndI said, sure, I'll do it
for forty four billion, and thenrealize he had no business ever doing that.
I like how generous you are withyour optimism about him. That's the
side of you. I don't oftenknow. It's compartmentalization. I think he's
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a trash individual, and I thinkthat's separate and distinct from the success he's
had within the space that he's own. Let's not forget SpaceX. You can
dislike the individual and acknowledge the successthat same individual has had. I think
we've seen peak Elon, and Idon't know how much longer that success is
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going to last. Well, SpaceXis not doing too bad. No,
but a lot of people have madea very cogent argument that this guy shouldn't
even have a security clearance based onsome of the stuff he's done, especially
in terms of setting up equipment withregard to Ukraine. Yeah, but that's
a whole nother thing. I don'thave time to get in well, that
that's part of the trash individual.Okay, trash, Yeah, we agree
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Joining me in studio is our regularcontributor commentator Chris Woolsey. She just took
for this Soul Entertainment. Good tosee you, brother, Good to be
seen by you. I always haveto ask you because I'm always curious to
someone who works in the business,what do you watch when you're not doing
(00:24):
business? Well, I'm watching alot of things right now, but one
of them was your recommendation from thelast time I was here, which one
three Body Problem. Oh oh,okay, see. I recommended it to
Mark Ronner as well, and hehasn't quite you know, gotten on board
yet. I was given a homeworkassignment. I went home and did my
(00:46):
homework. Okay, and did youpass? Love it? It's so good.
I know, I know where areyou in the series. I just
started the third episode okay, yeah, yeah. It really really picks up
speed that you have a sense ofwhat is going on. You know where
it's headed, but you don't knowwhy it's going on. Yes, yes,
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but I just love the structure.I love the three different storylines and
how they're interweaving them, and youknow, we talked about this before,
but I'm a huge history nerd andso all of that Chinese Revolution stuff is
fascinating to me. And it's alsowho done it? Yeah, because people
are dying and you don't know whythey're dying, who is responsible? You
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know, law enforcement they are investigatingit, and you're you're kept in the
dark as well. You don't knowexactly what's going on, and they and
they just the way they drip theinformation out to you is so great.
And I'm not gonna spoil anything,but that first death, I was just
like, what, yes, yes, and all of a sudden, Oh,
(01:53):
we're doing this. Yeah, yeah, I don't okay, I was
not on my Bingo card, No, not at all, but yeah,
I hope it's been doing very wellin terms of hours being viewed on Netflix.
I usually don't watch series the firstseason because I'm afraid of getting emotionally
attached and then they're not renewed,canceled, whatever, then they leave me
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hanging. That's my only concern.Agreed, Yep, I loved it.
There's a show called Pushing Daisies thatI absolutely loved and we were all in
and they killed it after one season. Right, and what else are you
watching? My son and I watchedmurder Ball. No, I don't know
(02:37):
that one's so good. You hadso you've got an assignment. Now,
it's okay, fair enough. Soit is about a It is about the
paralytic rugby league. So it isguys in these armored wheelchairs who play rugby
on an international level and all thepolitics and drama and comedy that goes along
(03:04):
with these characters. And it basicallyfocuses on the Canadian team and the American
team who had this insane rivalry,and the coach from the American team had
jumped ship and gone to coach theCanadians, and so he's kind of like
this Benedict Arnold character, and it'sit's fascinating, okay, And it won
a ton of a words. Ithink it was nominated for an Oscar.
(03:27):
If it didn't, you I'm gonnaget it wrong. But it was like
two thousand and one, two andthree something like that early odds. Fair
enough, I will report back,it's right. And then because so many
people have recommended it to me,I was like, okay, I will
watch it. We watched the GreatestNight in Pop Yes, yes, yes,
(03:49):
Oh my gosh, such a greatdoctor stories, the anecdotes, the
behind the behind the scenes, Ohmy gosh. They clearly I didn't know
that it happened over the course ofone night. I didn't know it was
after the American Music Awards. Ididn't know it ran until four in the
morning, for example. Yeah,I thought it was just any other regular
(04:09):
recording day and they just schedule allthis and write. That's what I fegared
too. No, like how exhaustedand hammered were most of those people after
the AFA's well, I always hadto go right. I always tell people,
you don't know how unfun those awardshows are. To actually be there
and you just sit there for threehours, not like you can eat or
anything like that. You can't getfood or drink, and then to lead
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the show, presumably like eleven o'clock, because back then they filmed it from
eight to eleven. Then go toan all night recording session. It was
crazy. And if you're lying onRichie, you've already hosted the AMAS and
now you have to manage some sixtyworld class talent artists and their egos.
I didn't realize I had been inthat room, so it eventually became Jim
(04:56):
Henson Studios. Yes, and mydaughter was on two episodes of Dinosaur Train
and they filmed it in that room. At the time, I had no
idea that that's what that was legendary. The whole time we were there,
I was like, honey, thisis where they filmed Fragle Rock, and
this is where they filmed the Muppetsand like, and she was so young
she barely understood what I was talkingabout. But had I known that that
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was actually where they filmed We arethe World Crazy Greatest Night and Pop is
one of the best documentaries I've seenin the past ten years. Yeah.
Maybe because I had a personal i'llsay affinity for all the artists in the
room. I didn't know that,I'll say Cindy Lapper's voice was that strong,
for example, I didn't I didn'tknow that Darryl Hall was singing that
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strong. I didn't know that.I don't want to give it all away.
Lewis was like, save the day. I didn't know that al Jirau
was drunk the whole time. Thosethings real drunk, real drunk and singing,
you know, and performing. Itwas a great story. Oh Man,
and the whole thing with Bob Dylanand Stevie Wonder having to mimic him
(06:04):
to help get him going like thatwas unbelievable. I did look, and
I don't want to give it away. There were a bunch of other controversies
of people who didn't want to docertain things and who walked out. Didn't
know that, and I didn't knowhow they kept all those stories under wraps
all these years, because the footagehasn't changed. No, no, yeah,
it's so good. Go watch it. Gotch Well, we talked all
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that time about what you were watching. Now when we come back, let's
talk about what we, inclusive ofme, need to watch on both Crackle
and red Box coming this week?Can you do that for me? Beautiful?
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Later with Mo Kelly. Chris WilseeChicken Soup for the Soul Entertainment joins
me in studio. Chris, wehave some titles to discuss on red Box
and Crackle being featured this week.Let's start with red Box. What do
you got So with the eclipse thisweek and everybody kind of freaking out about
eclipse something I the sun went dark, I don't know, And then you
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know, we had the earthquake onthe East coast. A lot of things
going on. I thought it wouldbe appropriate to do sort of a Fury
of Nature selection for us tonight.But what I will say is I hope
that you are eating a high proteindiet because there is so much cheese in
the movies. You got to balanceit out. Oh man, the first
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one post impact from two thousand andfour, This is a meteor strike causes
a new ice age, and DeanCaine is the only hope for these future
Dean Kine, Yes, I gotsome stories to tell you about him sometimes.
Oh no, we used to playbasketball against each other in the Entertainment
Basketball League. Yeahs been fun.We love playing basketball and you have actors,
(08:03):
actresses. I was working in themusic industry. It's just an entertainment
basketball league, and he would ball. I can't remember the team that he
was playing on, but I wasplaying for Virgin Records team and always had
to d him up. He couldplay a little bit. This was many
years ago, but yeah, yeah, yeah, I've hung out with him
a couple of times. He's verynice. He is he is, but
I could also see him being intense. Oh no, he would talk a
lot of trash on the court.I tell you, next time we run
(08:26):
in to him, ask him aboutthe Entertainment Basketball League, I will.
Yeah. Awesome. We've got onecalled End of the World from twenty eighteen,
and this is about solar flares causingtsunamis volcanoes and mass flooding, and
a group of survivors in La hasto make their way to in La in
(08:48):
La has to make their way tohigh elevation caves nearby. I'm like,
nearby, that's what San Berd,you know, mountain, That's what I
said. I was like, howhigh elevation the Sanda Bertin. I was
like, this is like ten thousandfeet maybe maybe? Yeah, So I
don't know how they survived there.But it's not close. No, it's
not even a two hour drive.Yeah, for sure, for sure.
And it's starring Joseph Michael Harris,who is like the the Stephen King of
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of disaster movie actors because he hasbeen in such hits as Doomsday Meteor,
Sandrea's Megaquake and twenty twenty five Armageddon, so all big hits. Yes,
this guy knows from disaster hits.And then finally we've got a super fun
(09:33):
one Ocean's Rising, which is exactlywhat you think. So the the ice
caps melt completely and it's it's waterWorld before there was a water world.
And it's starting Jason Tobias from Bloodlines, the vampire series, and it's super
fun. So it's it is likea microcosm of humanity. So it's a
(09:54):
bunch. It's a fistful of peopleon a boat and they are, as
far as they know, they arethe last of humanity to make it out
alive. Yeah. I don't knowif I want to survive, you know,
if I'm the last of I don'tknow, twelve or whatever. Yeah,
what am I trying to live for? Seriously? I know, Yeah,
nobody's going to be making decent waffles. No, there's nothing to look
(10:18):
forward to. I know. Prettygrim. Got me get sick and dive.
Yeah yeah, well you'll you'll haveto see what happened. Okay,
all right, very fun, veryfun. Crackle crackle. So last time
I recommended a movie called American Animalsthat is phenomenal, and we talked.
We had some like caper movies thatwe talked a little bit about, and
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I love crime. I love capermovies. I love true crime. So
I thought I would I would selecta group of true crime documentaries. We've
got a lot of documents. Wehave hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of documentaries.
Say that again, because listeners theylove some true crime, want to
make sure we slow down and Ican hear your offerings. Okay, great,
(11:03):
so we have do we talk aboutForensic Files? I don't believe.
So. So we have Forensic Files, which is the longest running true crime
show in history, and we havefourteen seasons, even long them like Dateline
or whatever. It's while. Sothese are re enactments, got it,
okay, And it's been on forfourteen seasons. We have all fourteen seasons.
(11:28):
It is awesome. But it's likeDateline. I can't Dateline. If
I hear the theme music or Ihear his voice, I have to sit
down and then I'll look up andit's Tuesday, like right like it's dangerous.
And that's the same thing with ForensicFiles, like you just get sucked
in and before you know it you'vewatched twelve episodes and your kids have graduated
(11:50):
from college, Like, sorry,what at the time? Go right?
Forensic Files is terrific and not onlyis it a good show, but it's
also the best one in the worldto fall asleep too. Oh, that's
good to you watch it late atnight. I know lots of people who
have and do. And yes,I used to see. I can't watch
that at night because I'm usually soengrossed. It keeps me going well into
(12:11):
the morning. Yep. Yeah,well but they depict the most disturbing crimes
imaginable. But the narrator's voice isso soothing. Yes, oh my gosh,
it's incredible. Yeah. Yeah,my mom falls asleep to id that
that channel. Yeah, I've gota single night. My sainted mother will
fall asleep to people getting knifed everytime. So true crime documentaries, we've
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got those. We've got a greatone. This was a Crackle original.
You can only see it on Crackleand it's called After the Murder of Albert
Lima and it's really good. It'sthe true story of this philanthropist who was
from Roatan, which is a smallisland off the coast of Honduras. And
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he went back to try to helpa family out who is losing their family
business, and in the process ofthat, one of the members of the
family actually murdered him and his sonspoiler alert, right, his son went
back thirteen years in a row totry to get his father's killer brought to
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justice. And it is an amazingdocumentary. But while it's also that story
is fascinating, it's almost like itwas written by the Cohen brothers because there
are a few characters in this.There are these two bounty hunters that couldn't
be dumber if their life depended onit, and they get into the craziest
situations. So there's this weird threadof comedy that also runs through this very
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serious documentary but is phenomenal. We'vegot another one called Beyond Human Nature,
which is a very famous Midwestern murdercase about this guy, Tom Manfels,
who worked at a paper mill inGreen Bay, Wisconsin and was found at
the bottom of one of the pulptanks and it there was all these issues
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going on with the union at thetime, and they assumed he had been
murdered, and this investigation took place. And I'm not going to spoil anything,
but it has an ending that youdo not expect. It's really really
well done, beyond human nature.Any connection are should say, any similarity
to Hafa other than the fact thatthey, yeah, well, I know
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we will discover Half's bottom at onepoint, not in our lifetime. Is
in some concrete foundation somewhere, Yes, it is definitely. He is definitely
wearing the concrete shoes somewhere for sure. And then finally we have a great
one, The Woman who Wasn't There. And this is the story of a
woman named Tanya Heed who told thisharrowing story of barely surviving the World Trade
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Center collapse. Eventually became president ofthe World Trade Center Survivor Network, only
to discover that her story may notactually hold water. And again, I'm
not gonna spoil anything because I wantpeople to watch it. But the Woman
who Wasn't there fascinating, fascinating.I've always wondered about that people who have
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told their stories over the years,and sometimes the stories become larger than life.
And even though there were millions ofpeople in New York, I'm quite
sure some people have been prone toexaggeration because of the enormity of that day,
yep, yep. And in somecases, as in this one,
what they stand again by making thatstory larger than the truth. Now,
(15:46):
see that one really piques my interest. Well, Chris, you always have
these great suggestions and these great recommendations. And Bethany Brown from the News department
came in in the break because shewanted to follow up with you on those
great chocolate chip cookies. So onemore time for people if they missed that
episode. We were talking about thosechocolate chip cookies. I know people have
(16:10):
been wondering about them. Those arecookies by Heather dot Com and they I
can say, inarguably they are thegreatest chocolate chip cookie that I will ever
have in my entire life. Well, I know Bethany agrees, because she
stole seven of them at least atleast I never forgot about it. We're
not exaggerating. She had like ai'll say a towel full of them that
(16:33):
she was carrying like a child downthe hall. She had a sticking out
from underneath the bottom of that.We're exaggerating, but not by much because
her, like all of us,were so surprising. You'd go to grab
the cookie and it was they werewarm, like that was warm the cherry
on top Yep. Well, let'sbe honest. We all made a few
disappear. Yeah, I had three. I didn't have seven or eight.
(16:57):
Three Three is healthy. I hadthree, I I remember. And then
I called everyone else in the studiobecause I if I didn't call you in,
I would be inclined to eat evenmore, and I didn't want to
eat more. Well, I broughtsomething in tonight, so everybody's got a
head over again. But yeah,I put on a pair of skinny jeans
today and I had my cell phonein the Wait, we're about the same
(17:18):
age. What are you doing?We'aring skinny jeans? Wow? So I
put my phone in the pocket andI could actually read the screen while it
was still in my pocket. There'sa hint. I gotta get these things
out of the house. It's notokay. Well, Chris, I gotta
get you out of here. I'mout of time. I always love doing
this with you, and hopefully weget to do it again and stay in
touch with me, because I wantto hear about what you think about the
(17:41):
last three body problem. Yes,done and done. Love to get your
thoughts and Mark Ronner. Eventually youget on it as well. I have
some trash to finish first. Mygoodness. This is lated with mo Kelly
ca if. I am six fortyLive Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app with Kelly
Okay six Live Everywhere on the iHeartRadioapp. I'm not one to go to
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concerts much anymore. I love music, and I love seeing live music,
but I'm not one to go toconcerts for a number of reasons. I'll
go every now and then if someonewill provide the tickets for free, that's
one way. And as an artistthat I've never seen before or I really
really want to see maybe one moretime. But other than that, I'm
not going to pay the exorbitant pricesfor these concerts. Most of the time,
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you got to buy your tickets throughTicketmaster, and you may not remember
Ticketmaster and Live Nation. They mergedback in twenty ten, and according to
Democratic Assembly Member Buff Wicks, ticketprices have gone up a hundred and one
hundred and forty percent since twenty ten. We've talked about the dynamic pricing of
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ticketing. We've talked about how ticketbrokers will buy up some of these tickets
and resell them at astronomical prices.We've talked about how ticketmasters being sued by
Taylor Swift and others for unfair practices. Well, now this Democratic Assembly member
Buff Wicks has introduced this bill ABtwo eight eight, which is aimed to
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make tickets to concerts and events cheaperby forcing more competition. I don't know
how exactly that's going to work.They want to say that this will loosend
ticketmasters near monopoly on the market.Wicks said, quote, Companies will have
to compete for your business, whichwill lead to lower fees and better service.
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Opening retail to competition will also meanmore transparency, making it more difficult
for fraudulent tickets to be sold.We support, excuse me, we support
reforms to improve ticketing, but thisis the opposition. We support reforms to
improve ticketing, but AB twenty eightheight will not do that, this is
what Ticketmaster is saying. It willinstead undermine the efforts of artists, sports
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teams, and primary ticketing companies tominimize minimize ticket scalping. Close quote.
Let me just say this, andI haven't delved deep into the bill,
but unless you're going to actually createanother company, there is no competition to
speak of. Name another ticketing agency. Are you going to limit then the
number of tickets which are made availableto Ticketmaster and the rest will just be
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available to the general public. Maybethat's one thing, but I don't know
if since the genie's out of thebottle whether you can correct this. Maybe
you can change or limit practices likedynamic processing excuse me, pricing where the
ticket on the price is the ticketon the price, and you don't allow
that to ebb and flow with justdemand. That's just robbing people from looking
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at the development of this bill.I understanding is that there actually are several
small, all er ticket brokers thatare out there, and lots of times
their complaint is that they are essentiallyblocked from even getting access to artists when
they come to town, even gettinga buy on tickets to be able to
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do something. So what they're sayingis Ticketmaster will no longer be able to
buy, you know, eighty ninetypercent of the available tickets that become available
in the market. The market sharewill then have to be split among or
made available for some of these smallerticket agencies. By doing that, what
happens, is what they're saying isif Ticketmaster is not allowed to buy some
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you know, the lion's share ofthe tickets. Because what happens is Ticketmaster
has these these blocks that you canbuy, and they've tried all types of
different methodologies, but it still comesdown to people who aren't even interested in
going to see these shows. Whatthey're doing is they're going and buying both
tickets and then going back and sellingand reselling them. What they're saying is
by breaking it up, there's lessdemand on just getting that end. You
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can then sell the tickets for aphase value if everyone has access to being
able to Celtics or enough companty.Not everyone, but if enough companies have
access to selling tickets, that takesaway that demand. It's almost like Comic
Con. If there were a bunchof different comic cons, then Comic Con
would not sell out in thirty secondsand everyone would be able to enjoy it
(22:26):
over a period of time versus oneweekend in San Diego. Well, it's
a self fulfilling prophecy. They're creatingthe demand spike, which fuels the dynamic
pricing. If you have all thetickets and you only release a portion or
percentage of them, people cannot buythe tickets and then you're gonna make the
tickets which are available astronomical on price. Yeah yeah, I mean in that
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regard, it is a racket.I don't know if you can legislate your
way around it unless you just,to your point, limit the amount of
tickets which can be purchase as apercentage or you know, I don't know
if you have to actually bring inthe record labels because they're making the decision
also to work with Ticketmaster. Iassume yeah, they're making this. But
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again, remember a lot of thesetours when they are put out its record
labels and its artists, because that'swhere many artists are actually making their money
by live performances. Not everyone isa tailor sort who's writing their music.
Many of them are just getting theirmoney off of performing. And that's when
it comes into booking agents and tourman people who put together tours, who
(23:32):
come together and say, hey,I've got this tour package. I can
afford one headliner to you know,supporting acts and a bunch of opening acts,
and this is what I'm able toafford on them. And then they
go to Ticketmaster and they try tosell said concerts to Ticketmaster, be a
new edition featuring Keith Sweat, SWVand John B. They go to a
ticket match and say, here's thetour. Ticketmaster says, here are the
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venues that we have access to.The venues weeks exclusively, venue theaters,
arenas and stuff like that. Andso this this assimilarity. He's trying to
break this up and say this,you cannot have this much sway over what
happens for the ticket buying audience,because you are really making it impossible for
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fans to actually come and see theseartists. I support it, I just
don't know if there will be wellput this way, it's a democratically proposed
bills. In other words, theDemocrats can push it through if they want
to support it. They have asuper majority in Sacramento. They can push
it through. My question is willit bring about the desired result. That's
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and I speak at I speak aboutit from someone who kind of knows the
dirty underside of the business. TicketMaster's been getting down like this forever forever.
They've just increased their power over theyears, but this is how they've
always done it. From the fees. You know, they're charging you fees
for a ticket you're buying online.You're not even getting a physical ticket in
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many instances anymore. Now it's onyour phone. You're not even printing tickets,
but there's a ticket service fee andthat kind of stuff. We'll see
you're listening to later with Moe Kellyon demand from KFI AM six forty.
(25:21):
When you see public figures say stuff, sometimes it might be controversial, sometimes
it might be rather interesting. Sometimesit might be self deprecating. You really
shouldn't believe any of that. Whatthey say under oath in a deposition usually
means far more. There's a lotof bluster out there, there's a lot
(25:41):
of grand standing, there's a lotof image self and grandizement out there.
But when they're under oath in adeposition, you usually hear a different tune.
Elon Musk admitted that his posts onthe x platform formerly known as Twitter,
(26:03):
his posts may have financially harmed thecompany in the long run. He
has never said that publicly, buthe said it in a deposition while he
was getting sued. This is thedeposition on March twenty seventh. He's being
sued by twenty two year old BenBrody Sue and Musk for defamation because last
fall a legend that Musk was pushinga conspiracy theory, which he's been known
(26:27):
to do, that falsely identified Brodyas being involved in a fight between two
far right groups in Oregon. Andso when you sue someone, you get
to depose the opposition and get themon record. And Musk admitted that his
posts on X may have financially harmedthe company in the long run. Of
(26:51):
course, he denied any intent.He didn't mean to defame twenty two year
old Ben Brody and said that anytype of harm which might have come to
him from the false attribution or thefalse connection was going to be minor in
nature. But for me, thebiggest part is Elon Musk, in his
(27:12):
quiet moments, in his legal moments, knows that he is probably his own
biggest enemy. He would never admitpublicly that he is hurting his own company.
Remember his financial bluster. He wouldsay to the Washington Post and anyone
else that didn't want to advertise onTwitter slash X, he said, gfy,
(27:33):
go eat yourself. That's probably nota good business strategy. And he
puts up forward the face that heis supremely confident in himself and he doesn't
need anyone else. But he understandsmoney. I would like to believe he
understands losing money what that means.And he admits, at least privately in
(27:57):
a deposition that his behavior, hisposts, his carelessness, my word,
is costing him money and making Twitterslash x less financially viable. How's the
first thing. It's pretty significant givenhis public spin on everything. Number one
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X is not in a good place. Number two X is not in a
good place in large part because ofElon Musk's behavior and his posts. You
might call it anti semitism on Monday, you may call it racism on Tuesday.
You may call it just garden varietysexism on Wednesday. But his posts
as an aggregate have hurt x slashTwitter not helped. That's the first thing.
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Also, he was asked his thoughtsin a different conversation on a podcast
about AI, and I think it'sprobably appropriate to ask him what he thinks
about it, give it his connectionto technology, and he had a more
somber look at what AI is goingto mean for you in me in just
the next couple of years. Now, what's your take on where we are
(29:03):
in the AI race? Just?Now? Wow? That's a long answer.
There's there's so much happening in it. AI is the fastest advancing technology
that I've ever seen of any kind, and I've seen a lot of technology
earlier week goes by without some newannouncement. So, and if you look
at the amount of AI hardware,the computer's coming online that are dedicated to
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AI, that is increasing what lookslike at least by a factor of ten
every year, if not every sixto nine months. So when you combine
the hardware coming online really order ofmagnitude increase every you know, call at
least every nine months, and manymany software breakthroughs. If you look at
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that, that COVID looks insane.So I think we'll My guess is that
we will have have AI that issmaller than any any one human probably around
the end of next year, andthen the total amount of sort of sentient
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compute of AI, I think willprobably exceed all humans in five years.
I think he's probably right, sinceyou talk about AIS exponential in nature.
But it's not whether he's right,But what does that mean ultimately? So
what computers in a way are alreadysmarter than us with their computational ability We're
(30:36):
just talking about whether there're sentience andwhether it can think for itself and learn
on its own and assess its ownenvironment in a way which has nothing to
do with human input. And ifthat happens, do we get skynet,
do we get I robot? Ordo we get some sort of connection of
both. Do we get something whichis, you know, less deadly in
(30:57):
nature. I don't know. Idon't think anyone knows. I don't know.
He hasn't really done a whole lotto earn himself the benefit of the
doubt. So I think when hetalks about AI like that, I dismiss
him as a crank. I mean, if he told me he was raining
outside, I'd go to the windowand look out beside myself. If he
wanted to sell me one of hiscrappy cars, I'd take one of those
old pintos with the exploding gas tankfirst. He has turned intentionally Twitter acts
(31:22):
Twitter into a cesspool, an absolutecesspool of racism disinformation. Open nazis harmful
disinformation as well. And he's donethis on purpose, There's no question about
that. But I think two thingscan be true here, what he did
and what he's done with X andTwitter. I think that's self evident.
(31:44):
How that has harmed Tesla and it'sstock price is probably a corollary. I
think those things are connected related,absolutely right. But when he gives his
opinion on AI, I think iscoming from a point of someone who's least
been exposed to the upper limit ofAI. Right now, it doesn't mean
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his opinion is accurate. And it'snot like he's hawking an AI product,
at least not as of yet.Maybe, but people have made a pretty
strong case that he actually hasn't innovateda single thing himself, but it's just
been good at buying and appropriating otherpeople's stuff. So I don't even know
what his expertise is on this subject. Well, it's true, he's not
an engineer, he's not an inventorper se. He's put his name on
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a lot of stuff. I don'tknow what type of technical expertise he's lent
to Neuralink. I don't know ifhe's funding it in the sense of giving
it the seed money and providing itsfunding and nothing more than that. I
don't know how much scientific input hehas, but I will give him the
benefit of the doubt as far asidentifying companies with potential and then helping them
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realize their potential. With exception ofTwitter, I don't know what that was.
I think that was just ego.I just you know, someone said
why don't you buy Twitter? AndI said, sure, I'll do it
for forty four billion, and thenrealize he had no business ever doing that.
I like how generous you are withyour optimism about him. That's the
side of you. I don't oftenknow. It's compartmentalization. I think he's
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a trash individual, and I thinkthat's separate and distinct from the success he's
had within the space that he's own. Let's not forget SpaceX. You can
dislike the individual and acknowledge the successthat same individual has had. I think
we've seen peak Elon, and Idon't know how much longer that success is
(33:34):
going to last. Well, SpaceXis not doing too bad. No,
but a lot of people have madea very cogent argument that this guy shouldn't
even have a security clearance based onsome of the stuff he's done, especially
in terms of setting up equipment withregard to Ukraine. Yeah, but that's
a whole nother thing. I don'thave time to get in well, that
that's part of the trash individual.Okay, trash, Yeah, we agree
(33:57):
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