January 6, 2025 • 29 mins
Can California keep ICE away from schools? Lawmakers want to try as crackdown looms. Airlines are going premium... will cheap tickets be harder to find? Do They Have a Case’ with Wayne Resnick.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM
six forty KFI.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
AM A six forty bill Handle here Monday morning, January sixth.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
We start the year, and we're starting it on a roll.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Incredible bad taste, scatological references, certainly sexual references that are
just very close to the line, right, Neil.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
I don't listen to the show, sir, Okay, thank you
very much.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I want to separate myself as much as possible, even
though one of those references might have come from my mouth.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Fair enough, step back, Oh, separate myself?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
All right? Done, all right? And another segment.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
We made some changes, as you are aware of on
the show, especially starting this year. One of the things
that we have tried for a few weeks and now
is a.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Part of the show.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Well we know that Neil is on from eight to
eight thirty on Friday with Foody Friday. We have added
from a thirty to nine ask Handle Anything, because well,
I'm going to talk a little bit about other changes,
but because it's fun and the segment is ask handle Anything,
and you ask me, and you know, I'm brutally honest
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for the most part, and I've gotten embarrassed a few times,
and here's what happens.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
You call in and we record your question.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Do you go to the iHeart app doesn't cost the
KFI page, so you have to do it during the show.
And up in the right hand corner you'll see a microphone.
Just click on that microphone and start recording. Fifteen seconds
is what you have.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Beyond that, we cut you off because it's just a question.
Ask question.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I don't want to hear what you think politically. I
don't give a rats about any of that. It is
a question and I will answer it. And how do
I what questions? I have no idea, Neil and and
choose the questions I have not heard them, and so
it is my immediate response.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
And it is great fun. So go to the iHeart.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
App, KFI page, microphone right hand corner, click ask the question,
and if your call is good enough or stupid enough,
and it gets chosen, we I get to answer your question.
By the way, for everybody who we do ask aloud,
to ask the question, you will win absolutely nothing. There
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is no upside other than embarrassing me or asking me
whatever you'd like to know. All right, now, here's the
California lawmakers are proposing protecting K twelve K to twelve
students they're families from mass deportation.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
It's symbolic.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
It's just a response to what President upcoming President Trump,
President Electrump has said with the mass deportations, the massy
deportation are not going to happen as we know, I mean,
there'll be more certainly.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
So you've got AB.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Forty nine at SB forty eight. It's to keep federal
agents from detaining undocumented students or their families on or
near school property without a warrant. Now, when's the last
time a federal agent came onto school property to arrest.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Someone a student who is illegal? Come on.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
So this is simply a response, and you're going to
see more and more of this. Kevin Johnson, a law
professor at UC Davis, says, in no way can these
bills override federal law. But it's responding to concern in
the community that it's not safe to take your kids
to school. See what ends up happening is you have
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the undocumented community that frankly runs scared a lot about
being deported. More so it's going to be more so
now that President elect Trump is going to take office.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
On January twentieth.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
So AB forty nine would require immigration agents to obtain
written permission from the superintendent before coming onto school property,
which they don't anyway, it bars agents from being in
rooms where children are present. When's the last time an
agent walked into a schoolroom, a kindergarten class and slammed
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handcuffs on a six year old because illegal? By the way,
there's there's no way to know that those kids are illegal.
Supreme Court, and we're going back to I think it
was what nineteen eighty two where the Supreme Court ruled
that public schools have to enroll all students regardless of
immigration status.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
And they don't ask even so, what changes?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Well, nothing, really, I'll tell you what the what the
big issue really is, and that is law enforcement and
or particularly prisoners in jails informing ICE that someone is
going to be released to is.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Maybe an illegal alien.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
And it used to be right at the front door
person was released, Ice was waiting right there pick them
up and set them up for deportation.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Now no cooperation whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Specifically, the prisons and public institutions do not tell authorities.
Now to be fair, those people are arguing, oh, they
tell authorities, so they can't tell authorities and bad guys
are being released. Serious felons are still being reported, and
ICE does come in for serious felons. But the rest
of it, it's basically a philosophy that we that is,
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we California do not help federal authorities with deportation or
picking up what is people that are perceiving to be
and may in fact be and are probably illegal aliens.
It is a fight the California has and the reality
is is I believe California, the schools, the legislature absolutely
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believe the phrase, the statement there is no such thing
as an illegal person. People are not illegal, actually they are, Okay,
just to let you know, there are plenty of people
that are illegal, because look at the definition of.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Illegal being in this country.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Without permission, without the right to be in this country.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
That's illegal.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I think they're saying they're illegally here, but a person
to put that on them as being illegal is more
of a pejorative about the individual rut than.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
So Therefore, fell in are not felons. They are merely
convicted of a felony.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
So you can't call felons felons. I, for example, you
and I are not bald. We are simply follicularly challenged. No,
I'm bald, okay, so am I And if I were here,
if I were here illegally, I would be illegal.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
But it's not a question of just phraseology.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
It's beyond that, and it is a question of substance
when it comes to dealing with people and saying that
the status of someone is more important than the law.
The law is subservient to someone being here illegally, the
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law really doesn't matter. And we have laws now that,
for example Los Angeles where the city the school districts
pay for a term and legal help for people who
are for kids who are illegal, or they're have family
members who are illegal and are looking at deportation.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
It's just a question of how you view it.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
And as usual, the pendulum swings both ways, and you're
going to see the pendulum swinging right back with President
Trump in office. And a lot of it is bluster
from the president because that's simply the way Donald Trump runs.
He believes in bluster, he believes in making statements as
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bargaining chips. Nothing is really going to change, but it
is simply a philosophical statement. California says, well, basically, the
bottom line is whatever he says, we're going to go against.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
And he his statement is whatever they say.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
That is California and New York liberal states, I'm going
to go against by definition.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Well aren't they both blustering at that point? Then?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, it's a well it's going to be
a blustery day.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
It's going to be a blustery four years now. I
don't know if you're.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Flying, but I don't know if you've noticed, maybe you
have noticed that the airlines are going seriously premium, cheap tickets,
frontier spirit uh ah, They're all adding premium items, premium services.
And why because we know that the airlines make more money.
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Do you remember it used to be that you got
two bags for free across the board.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
It used to be on Southwest you could sit wherever
you want. It used to be you could sit in
an emergency seed. All you had to do was book.
It didn't cost you any more money. Well, as you know,
those days are gone. Now they charge for everything. At
Southwest is still the only airline that you still get
too bad for free.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
And I think that's going to end.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
It has to end, because every other airline charges for bags.
And when you talk about the super cheap airlines, super
bargain airlines, you pay for everything. You even pay for
carry on bags, you pay for where you sit, you
pay for how.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Quickly you board the airplane. You just pay, pay pay
junk fees on.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
The airlines charge buckets of money on those super cheap flights,
and they're not cheap in the end. And guess what,
the airlines aren't making enough money with that crap.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
So now it's premium seating.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
And I mean Jet Blue, which was all one class
is now they have a first class section.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
You're gonna see Southwest.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
You pay for where you stand in line to board
the airplane. Spirit which was one of the cheaper airlines,
file for Chapter eleven in November. American Delta, United the
three largest. They're projected to account for ninety seven percent
of the industri's operating profit. Why is that Because American,
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Delta and United have premium services, they have first class,
they have the premium economy class economy plus. Budget airlines
don't have it, and those budget seats and they're getting
more and more crammed. The airlines aren't making enough money.
Matter of fact, they're losing money, Neil, you r mic
(11:37):
is not on.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Oh I was doing something, sorry about that.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Oh, so that's because most of the people that ride
Spirit are also filing for Chapter eleven.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
That's a good point, the first thing. But the second thing.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I know how they can make tons of money on
Spirit charge five hundred dollars a foot any for taking
your shoes off. Oh, very good, And that's a they
will make so much money, you know.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
But there's a reason, by the way, for all of this,
and that is, well, there are a couple reasons. First
of all, there's too many of these super bargain airlines.
They're competing against each other in a big, big way.
The other reason is they pay the same for labor,
for fuel, for landing rights. And it doesn't matter if
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you have all first class and you go up to
a terminal at lax or all economy where you're crammed
in like sardines.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
It's the same cost.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
And so the airlines, if you have plenty of premium seating,
if you have plenty of business class, if you have
plenty of economy plus, you're simply going to do better.
Where there's an interesting stat here we go, so far
this year, fifty seven percent of Delta's revenue has been
generated through sales other than main cabin sales, other than
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the main seats. Over half is the premium seating. That's
where they make all of their money. You go to Delta,
and Delta has eight flights a day LA New York.
Two of them have the cheapest seating still available. It's
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a tiny little number, and so be prepared to pay
a lot more money.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
And people are you know, after.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
COVID, You know there was this huge rush to spend
money because you were at home. And also it just
changed the way we think where experiences are actually more
as are more important than buying stuff. That's the way
we think. You know, memories, and it's true, it's true.
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You know, a lot of my disposable income I spend
on travel memories, most of them bad by the way,
I might add, but it's still memories and experiences, and
I spend money for that, and a lot of people do.
And you want to be comfortable. I mean, most of
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my flights, most of my stuff is in Europe because
I just happen to love Europe. I got to tell you,
if if I thank God, I run all my businesses
or all my business through my credit card, so I
get miles, so I can upgrade very easily. And a
lot of us who are involved in business and do
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fly around get miles and upgrade, and some of us
just write the check and buy the ticket. But spending
eleven hours on an airplane ten and a half hours
LA to London, LAA, Munich, Amsterdam, you could not pay
me to do that. Literally, it's so uncomfortable, and it's
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more and more uncomfortable. And I know I'm telling people
who maybe have never been, and it's worth the being uncomfortable,
and I'm going to say, if you've never been, it
probably is.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
But it's a whole different world, just.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
More expensive to fly and you need whatever services, and
it's just the world is changing after pandemic. We don't
even know what has happened to us because of the pandemic.
All right, we're done, guys with this on. Hey, it
is time for the last time. Do they have a
case with Wayne? And Wayne is retiring from the show,
(15:42):
and Wayne, let's spend a few minutes before we get
into case talking into the case. Do they have a case?
You've been with the show for a very long time.
How long you've been with.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Us, well with the station thirty three years on air
and capacity thirty and I don't remember. If you can
remember when this happened, either of you, then I can
tell you how long I've had a connection to.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
The Bill Handle show.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
You used to do every year live shows, a live
variety kind of show with songs and comedy and all
this stuff. And one of the earliest ones used to
do them in Vegas, and there was one at the
I'm not as vegacy as you. What's the real one.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
I think we did it at the Rio's the other one,
first one.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
I think he's talking about the Mirage.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
Wherever it was. Somebody asked me, Hey, do you play keyboards?
I said yeah, and I said, oh, well come to
the Handle show in Vegas. And because we want you
to Mandala Bay, Mandala Bay. Yes, Bill is correct. Anyway,
(17:00):
I'm like, all right, great And then so anyway, what
ended up happening is you guys made me play and
sing this song called Remembering Lacey, which was about Lacy Peterson,
who was murdered for all intention purposes by her husband,
Scott Peterson, although he still denies it that a real
person had written it and performed it. It's terrorist, It's
(17:21):
the worst song in the world, and you guys made
me play and sing it, and then some of you
were behind me as a chorus, and that was my
first whenever that was I don't it was kind of
the first twenty years ago, maybe at least at least
ten years ago for those people that are recent listeners
to the show. Although we're moving back into some of
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the crazy stuff because political correctness is taking not as
an important role in life. This show used to be
so offensive, so astoundingly offensive. For example, we used to
do songs, remember the songs, the parody songs we used
to do. One of them I remember was Welfare Queen
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and you cannot talk about poor people on welfare.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
I mean that is so offensive.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Those were parody songs we used to do. And so
Wayne was part of that group. And we're going to
miss you. So let's do this. We're gonna finish up
the first segment in the moment, and then we're actually
gonna do the last.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Do they have a case? So Wayne, what are your plans?
What are you gonna do?
Speaker 5 (18:28):
I'm not one hundred percent sure yet. You and I
spoke off the air. You were very nice to call me,
so you know, you know that I'm looking at some
possibilities kind of going back to doing what I was
doing with the FEDS, but doing it on behalf of
defendants private, private, private investigation, analysis, sentencing recommendation function. But
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also there's a very small low power FM community all
volunteer radio station in Richmond, Virginia, where I will be living,
and I may just help them with the stuff that
that kind of a radio station doesn't really want to
deal with, like FCC compliance.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
So not on the end, No, No, that's.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
One of the It's kind of like a college station.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
You know.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
There's a guy who for two hours plays world music,
and then there's a guy for two hours who plays
punk rock, and then there's a guy who for two
hours plays electronic jazz, and then there's some show where
two people talk about the mayor or that they don't
like or whatever it is. I'm not interested in any
of that, but to help them behind the scenes with
the FCC stuff, apparently, I'm being told, would be very helpful.
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And also honestly, there's a lot of bike trails that
need to be ridden, and there's a lot of live
entertainment to be consumed that you don't when you work
at all.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I have made fun of Wayne and his bike riding,
and Wayne is a very serious, serious bike rider, to
the point where in Wayne's case, here are your choices.
Either you buy a new car or you buy one
of his bikes. And he's got two of them. I
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mean that is someone who is dead serious about riding bikes.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
First all, I.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Didn't know bikes could be I didn't know bikes could
be that expensive.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
It would be a used car or one of my bikes,
not a new car. And just I will say this
to you, I just got up with great pleasure. I
get to say this to you. Now I have three Oh,
but one of them is a gravel bike. The two
are mountain bikes. One is a gravel bike. So it's
kind of a different thing, which is a bad wa.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
So how about a grass bike or a clay bike.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
Don't play on both, court, don't give me ideas. All right,
next time I talk to you, I might have six bikes.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
So Wayne, let's do our last. Do they have a case?
Speaker 4 (21:00):
All right?
Speaker 5 (21:00):
You will have to decide what happened in an employment
dispute between the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America
Knachham Rabinowitz, as well as Dose one through one hundred,
the Yakov Markel. Do you want to explain what a
muskiach is.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Or do you as not the messaiak? Do I have that?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
I don't know what a machiach is maskach, I know
what means, I know what means. I don't know what
a miskiach means.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
That is a person who oversees the production of food
and wine to certify that it is kosher.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Okay, I know that they do that. I didn't know
the name.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Okay, yeah, you knew there were people who oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
They all have to be certified.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
It's a scam beyond a scam because there are different
organizations to do it, and you pay, You literally have
to pay a fortune for this.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
I should have known my last segment on this show
with you, I would have to inch away from the
microphone from something that you would say.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Yeah, it's a mafia. It's mafia is what you're hiring? Alright?
Speaker 5 (22:15):
Well, okay, yeah, mister Markel was a mash killach for ou.
That's the short for the Union of Orthodox Jewish congregations
of America. They use it, and his relationship with him
grew sour when he says he was promised by Rabbi
Nachmann Rabbi Rabinowitz a promotion and a race which never came.
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So and also that he said he worked some overtime
and they didn't pay him for the overtime, so he quit,
and he filed some employment related claims against oh you,
and ou went to court and said you must dismiss
these outright because of the ministerial ex The ministerial exception
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was found by courts over the years and is now
absolutely enshrined. It's under the First Amendment because it protects
the religious organizations from being sued for their decisions regarding
who they employ. But is only if you are a
religious organization and the person is a minister, then they
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cannot sue you, no matter what minister. Of course, has
been defined quite loosely to include anyone who is vital
to the religious mission of the religious organization. So an
example I will give you where it has been found
is teachers, the so called religious calling teachers. These are
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people who say they were called to teach by their God,
and now they teach in religious schools, and there are
cases where they have been found to be ministers for
this purpose because they're so important to the religious mission
of the school and they can't sue for employment stuff.
So this got Markel says, I'm not a minister. I
look at wine and beef and things, and you know,
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make sure that they're prepared properly so they can be certain.
I'm not a minister in any way. And the OHU
group is not a religious group because they they make revenue.
It makes money their program of certifying things as kosher,
so you I can totally sue them. And the district
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judge said, no, they're a religious organization, notwithstanding they generate
revenue because they are a five ZHO one C three
charity that nobody keeps the money. The money that's generated
is a for no private benefit. And you are a
minister for this purpose because you are a very religious
person yourself, who does this to help them in their
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mission of making kosher food idly available to Orthodox Jews
so they can practice their religion. Your vital, that role
is vital to furthering the religious aims of this organization.
It is a religious based organization meant to support a
religious community. So dismissed. He goes to the Ninth Circuit
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Court of Appeals because this case is right out of
the Central District of California.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Here, whoa boy? Both arguments.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
Are they a religious organization? Is he a minister for
this purpose?
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Well, I don't know if they per se or a
religious organization. What they do is make sure, for example,
the the chairs in the synagogue meet.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Code, that you have to have the proper rules and.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Regulations, and that's what the kosher What this organization does
when certifying kosher products.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Now, is it religious?
Speaker 2 (26:01):
It's mandatory under the Torah that you eat kosher, So
is that religious?
Speaker 3 (26:08):
I'm going to argue that the connection is Wow, it
could go either way.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
I'm going to argue because of that, it really is
an administrative job and doesn't have religious overtones except that
the Talmud says you must eat that way, and they're
the ones that ensure that.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
The law is upheld.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
And the problem that I think that this organization has,
because I told you earlier, it's simply a question if
you pay these guys, that's what is about. And they
were nailed for declaring some ham and some lobster kosher
and they got caught.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Hell, did you just say, what?
Speaker 5 (26:55):
What is anything that you that's hyperbolic. That's hyperbolic, comedy
and satire, not an assertion of facts.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
That's an assertion of fact. Okay, Okay, well let them
sue me.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Let them sue me while I eat a ham sandwich
on a bagel. And I've said some pretty interesting things
about this organization, and.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
I believe it. By the way, whether it's two or not,
I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
I don't have any facts to determine one way or
the other, other than I met someone who owns a
restaurant that tried to get a kosher certification and it
was crazy the amount.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Of money that was being charged by the organization.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
Okay, which way do they go? H he has no case.
They are and he is.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
That's it. And and and what they.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Said is, look, this ministerial exception has to be viewed
broadly because the point of thing is to not to
interfere with religious organizations decisions.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
So he is a minister for this purpose only.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
He is a minister, and they are a religious organization.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
And he could have.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Gone, I would have gone, I would have gone the
other way because I think both have great arguments.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
We're done, Wayne, Thank you for twenty something years of
being with us. I know this was your last day
and we're going to miss you. Do I have that right?
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Yes? Here it is.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
We are going to miss you, and now that you
are gone, my friend, we'll probably never talk again.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
All right, coming out? Hey, it's done, You're finished, all right?
That is oh mad, I've been.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
I've been required in order to get my final paycheck
to say you are a consummate professional and truly deserved
to be inducted into the Radio Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
I thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
All right, We're done, guys, coming up, Gary and Shannon
back again tomorrow with more of the Shenanigans. Oh god,
that's so stupid. This is KFI AM six forty more
stimulating talk radio. You've been listening to the Bill Handle
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
AM A six forty bill Handle here Monday morning, January sixth.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
We start the year, and we're starting it on a roll.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Incredible bad taste, scatological references, certainly sexual references that are
just very close to the line, right, Neil.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
I don't listen to the show, sir, Okay, thank you
very much.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I want to separate myself as much as possible, even
though one of those references might have come from my mouth.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Fair enough, step back, Oh, separate myself?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
All right? Done, all right? And another segment.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
We made some changes, as you are aware of on
the show, especially starting this year. One of the things
that we have tried for a few weeks and now
is a.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Part of the show.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Well we know that Neil is on from eight to
eight thirty on Friday with Foody Friday. We have added
from a thirty to nine ask Handle Anything, because well,
I'm going to talk a little bit about other changes,
but because it's fun and the segment is ask handle Anything,
and you ask me, and you know, I'm brutally honest
(01:22):
for the most part, and I've gotten embarrassed a few times,
and here's what happens.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
You call in and we record your question.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Do you go to the iHeart app doesn't cost the
KFI page, so you have to do it during the show.
And up in the right hand corner you'll see a microphone.
Just click on that microphone and start recording. Fifteen seconds
is what you have.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Beyond that, we cut you off because it's just a question.
Ask question.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I don't want to hear what you think politically. I
don't give a rats about any of that. It is
a question and I will answer it. And how do
I what questions? I have no idea, Neil and and
choose the questions I have not heard them, and so
it is my immediate response.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
And it is great fun. So go to the iHeart.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
App, KFI page, microphone right hand corner, click ask the question,
and if your call is good enough or stupid enough,
and it gets chosen, we I get to answer your question.
By the way, for everybody who we do ask aloud,
to ask the question, you will win absolutely nothing. There
(02:31):
is no upside other than embarrassing me or asking me
whatever you'd like to know. All right, now, here's the
California lawmakers are proposing protecting K twelve K to twelve
students they're families from mass deportation.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
It's symbolic.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
It's just a response to what President upcoming President Trump,
President Electrump has said with the mass deportations, the massy
deportation are not going to happen as we know, I mean,
there'll be more certainly.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
So you've got AB.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Forty nine at SB forty eight. It's to keep federal
agents from detaining undocumented students or their families on or
near school property without a warrant. Now, when's the last
time a federal agent came onto school property to arrest.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Someone a student who is illegal? Come on.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
So this is simply a response, and you're going to
see more and more of this. Kevin Johnson, a law
professor at UC Davis, says, in no way can these
bills override federal law. But it's responding to concern in
the community that it's not safe to take your kids
to school. See what ends up happening is you have
(03:51):
the undocumented community that frankly runs scared a lot about
being deported. More so it's going to be more so
now that President elect Trump is going to take office.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
On January twentieth.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
So AB forty nine would require immigration agents to obtain
written permission from the superintendent before coming onto school property,
which they don't anyway, it bars agents from being in
rooms where children are present. When's the last time an
agent walked into a schoolroom, a kindergarten class and slammed
(04:29):
handcuffs on a six year old because illegal? By the way,
there's there's no way to know that those kids are illegal.
Supreme Court, and we're going back to I think it
was what nineteen eighty two where the Supreme Court ruled
that public schools have to enroll all students regardless of
immigration status.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
And they don't ask even so, what changes?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Well, nothing, really, I'll tell you what the what the
big issue really is, and that is law enforcement and
or particularly prisoners in jails informing ICE that someone is
going to be released to is.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Maybe an illegal alien.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
And it used to be right at the front door
person was released, Ice was waiting right there pick them
up and set them up for deportation.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Now no cooperation whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Specifically, the prisons and public institutions do not tell authorities.
Now to be fair, those people are arguing, oh, they
tell authorities, so they can't tell authorities and bad guys
are being released. Serious felons are still being reported, and
ICE does come in for serious felons. But the rest
of it, it's basically a philosophy that we that is,
(05:51):
we California do not help federal authorities with deportation or
picking up what is people that are perceiving to be
and may in fact be and are probably illegal aliens.
It is a fight the California has and the reality
is is I believe California, the schools, the legislature absolutely
(06:15):
believe the phrase, the statement there is no such thing
as an illegal person. People are not illegal, actually they are, Okay,
just to let you know, there are plenty of people
that are illegal, because look at the definition of.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Illegal being in this country.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Without permission, without the right to be in this country.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
That's illegal.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I think they're saying they're illegally here, but a person
to put that on them as being illegal is more
of a pejorative about the individual rut than.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
So Therefore, fell in are not felons. They are merely
convicted of a felony.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
So you can't call felons felons. I, for example, you
and I are not bald. We are simply follicularly challenged. No,
I'm bald, okay, so am I And if I were here,
if I were here illegally, I would be illegal.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
But it's not a question of just phraseology.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
It's beyond that, and it is a question of substance
when it comes to dealing with people and saying that
the status of someone is more important than the law.
The law is subservient to someone being here illegally, the
(07:46):
law really doesn't matter. And we have laws now that,
for example Los Angeles where the city the school districts
pay for a term and legal help for people who
are for kids who are illegal, or they're have family
members who are illegal and are looking at deportation.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
It's just a question of how you view it.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
And as usual, the pendulum swings both ways, and you're
going to see the pendulum swinging right back with President
Trump in office. And a lot of it is bluster
from the president because that's simply the way Donald Trump runs.
He believes in bluster, he believes in making statements as
(08:34):
bargaining chips. Nothing is really going to change, but it
is simply a philosophical statement. California says, well, basically, the
bottom line is whatever he says, we're going to go against.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
And he his statement is whatever they say.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
That is California and New York liberal states, I'm going
to go against by definition.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Well aren't they both blustering at that point? Then?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, it's a well it's going to be
a blustery day.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
It's going to be a blustery four years now. I
don't know if you're.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Flying, but I don't know if you've noticed, maybe you
have noticed that the airlines are going seriously premium, cheap tickets,
frontier spirit uh ah, They're all adding premium items, premium services.
And why because we know that the airlines make more money.
(09:34):
Do you remember it used to be that you got
two bags for free across the board.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
It used to be on Southwest you could sit wherever
you want. It used to be you could sit in
an emergency seed. All you had to do was book.
It didn't cost you any more money. Well, as you know,
those days are gone. Now they charge for everything. At
Southwest is still the only airline that you still get
too bad for free.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
And I think that's going to end.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
It has to end, because every other airline charges for bags.
And when you talk about the super cheap airlines, super
bargain airlines, you pay for everything. You even pay for
carry on bags, you pay for where you sit, you
pay for how.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Quickly you board the airplane. You just pay, pay pay
junk fees on.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
The airlines charge buckets of money on those super cheap flights,
and they're not cheap in the end. And guess what,
the airlines aren't making enough money with that crap.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
So now it's premium seating.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
And I mean Jet Blue, which was all one class
is now they have a first class section.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
You're gonna see Southwest.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
You pay for where you stand in line to board
the airplane. Spirit which was one of the cheaper airlines,
file for Chapter eleven in November. American Delta, United the
three largest. They're projected to account for ninety seven percent
of the industri's operating profit. Why is that Because American,
(11:11):
Delta and United have premium services, they have first class,
they have the premium economy class economy plus. Budget airlines
don't have it, and those budget seats and they're getting
more and more crammed. The airlines aren't making enough money.
Matter of fact, they're losing money, Neil, you r mic
(11:37):
is not on.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Oh I was doing something, sorry about that.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Oh, so that's because most of the people that ride
Spirit are also filing for Chapter eleven.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
That's a good point, the first thing. But the second thing.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I know how they can make tons of money on
Spirit charge five hundred dollars a foot any for taking
your shoes off. Oh, very good, And that's a they
will make so much money, you know.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
But there's a reason, by the way, for all of this,
and that is, well, there are a couple reasons. First
of all, there's too many of these super bargain airlines.
They're competing against each other in a big, big way.
The other reason is they pay the same for labor,
for fuel, for landing rights. And it doesn't matter if
(12:30):
you have all first class and you go up to
a terminal at lax or all economy where you're crammed
in like sardines.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
It's the same cost.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
And so the airlines, if you have plenty of premium seating,
if you have plenty of business class, if you have
plenty of economy plus, you're simply going to do better.
Where there's an interesting stat here we go, so far
this year, fifty seven percent of Delta's revenue has been
generated through sales other than main cabin sales, other than
(13:06):
the main seats. Over half is the premium seating. That's
where they make all of their money. You go to Delta,
and Delta has eight flights a day LA New York.
Two of them have the cheapest seating still available. It's
(13:31):
a tiny little number, and so be prepared to pay
a lot more money.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
And people are you know, after.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
COVID, You know there was this huge rush to spend
money because you were at home. And also it just
changed the way we think where experiences are actually more
as are more important than buying stuff. That's the way
we think. You know, memories, and it's true, it's true.
(13:58):
You know, a lot of my disposable income I spend
on travel memories, most of them bad by the way,
I might add, but it's still memories and experiences, and
I spend money for that, and a lot of people do.
And you want to be comfortable. I mean, most of
(14:19):
my flights, most of my stuff is in Europe because
I just happen to love Europe. I got to tell you,
if if I thank God, I run all my businesses
or all my business through my credit card, so I
get miles, so I can upgrade very easily. And a
lot of us who are involved in business and do
(14:40):
fly around get miles and upgrade, and some of us
just write the check and buy the ticket. But spending
eleven hours on an airplane ten and a half hours
LA to London, LAA, Munich, Amsterdam, you could not pay
me to do that. Literally, it's so uncomfortable, and it's
(15:01):
more and more uncomfortable. And I know I'm telling people
who maybe have never been, and it's worth the being uncomfortable,
and I'm going to say, if you've never been, it
probably is.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
But it's a whole different world, just.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
More expensive to fly and you need whatever services, and
it's just the world is changing after pandemic. We don't
even know what has happened to us because of the pandemic.
All right, we're done, guys with this on. Hey, it
is time for the last time. Do they have a
case with Wayne? And Wayne is retiring from the show,
(15:42):
and Wayne, let's spend a few minutes before we get
into case talking into the case. Do they have a case?
You've been with the show for a very long time.
How long you've been with.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Us, well with the station thirty three years on air
and capacity thirty and I don't remember. If you can
remember when this happened, either of you, then I can
tell you how long I've had a connection to.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
The Bill Handle show.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
You used to do every year live shows, a live
variety kind of show with songs and comedy and all
this stuff. And one of the earliest ones used to
do them in Vegas, and there was one at the
I'm not as vegacy as you. What's the real one.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
I think we did it at the Rio's the other one,
first one.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
I think he's talking about the Mirage.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
Wherever it was. Somebody asked me, Hey, do you play keyboards?
I said yeah, and I said, oh, well come to
the Handle show in Vegas. And because we want you
to Mandala Bay, Mandala Bay. Yes, Bill is correct. Anyway,
(17:00):
I'm like, all right, great And then so anyway, what
ended up happening is you guys made me play and
sing this song called Remembering Lacey, which was about Lacy Peterson,
who was murdered for all intention purposes by her husband,
Scott Peterson, although he still denies it that a real
person had written it and performed it. It's terrorist, It's
(17:21):
the worst song in the world, and you guys made
me play and sing it, and then some of you
were behind me as a chorus, and that was my
first whenever that was I don't it was kind of
the first twenty years ago, maybe at least at least
ten years ago for those people that are recent listeners
to the show. Although we're moving back into some of
(17:43):
the crazy stuff because political correctness is taking not as
an important role in life. This show used to be
so offensive, so astoundingly offensive. For example, we used to
do songs, remember the songs, the parody songs we used
to do. One of them I remember was Welfare Queen
(18:06):
and you cannot talk about poor people on welfare.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
I mean that is so offensive.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Those were parody songs we used to do. And so
Wayne was part of that group. And we're going to
miss you. So let's do this. We're gonna finish up
the first segment in the moment, and then we're actually
gonna do the last.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Do they have a case? So Wayne, what are your plans?
What are you gonna do?
Speaker 5 (18:28):
I'm not one hundred percent sure yet. You and I
spoke off the air. You were very nice to call me,
so you know, you know that I'm looking at some
possibilities kind of going back to doing what I was
doing with the FEDS, but doing it on behalf of
defendants private, private, private investigation, analysis, sentencing recommendation function. But
(18:55):
also there's a very small low power FM community all
volunteer radio station in Richmond, Virginia, where I will be living,
and I may just help them with the stuff that
that kind of a radio station doesn't really want to
deal with, like FCC compliance.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
So not on the end, No, No, that's.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
One of the It's kind of like a college station.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
You know.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
There's a guy who for two hours plays world music,
and then there's a guy for two hours who plays
punk rock, and then there's a guy who for two
hours plays electronic jazz, and then there's some show where
two people talk about the mayor or that they don't
like or whatever it is. I'm not interested in any
of that, but to help them behind the scenes with
the FCC stuff, apparently, I'm being told, would be very helpful.
(19:45):
And also honestly, there's a lot of bike trails that
need to be ridden, and there's a lot of live
entertainment to be consumed that you don't when you work
at all.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I have made fun of Wayne and his bike riding,
and Wayne is a very serious, serious bike rider, to
the point where in Wayne's case, here are your choices.
Either you buy a new car or you buy one
of his bikes. And he's got two of them. I
(20:17):
mean that is someone who is dead serious about riding bikes.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
First all, I.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Didn't know bikes could be I didn't know bikes could
be that expensive.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
It would be a used car or one of my bikes,
not a new car. And just I will say this
to you, I just got up with great pleasure. I
get to say this to you. Now I have three Oh,
but one of them is a gravel bike. The two
are mountain bikes. One is a gravel bike. So it's
kind of a different thing, which is a bad wa.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
So how about a grass bike or a clay bike.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
Don't play on both, court, don't give me ideas. All right,
next time I talk to you, I might have six bikes.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
So Wayne, let's do our last. Do they have a case?
Speaker 4 (21:00):
All right?
Speaker 5 (21:00):
You will have to decide what happened in an employment
dispute between the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America
Knachham Rabinowitz, as well as Dose one through one hundred,
the Yakov Markel. Do you want to explain what a
muskiach is.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Or do you as not the messaiak? Do I have that?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
I don't know what a machiach is maskach, I know
what means, I know what means. I don't know what
a miskiach means.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
That is a person who oversees the production of food
and wine to certify that it is kosher.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Okay, I know that they do that. I didn't know
the name.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Okay, yeah, you knew there were people who oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
They all have to be certified.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
It's a scam beyond a scam because there are different
organizations to do it, and you pay, You literally have
to pay a fortune for this.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
I should have known my last segment on this show
with you, I would have to inch away from the
microphone from something that you would say.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Yeah, it's a mafia. It's mafia is what you're hiring? Alright?
Speaker 5 (22:15):
Well, okay, yeah, mister Markel was a mash killach for ou.
That's the short for the Union of Orthodox Jewish congregations
of America. They use it, and his relationship with him
grew sour when he says he was promised by Rabbi
Nachmann Rabbi Rabinowitz a promotion and a race which never came.
(22:39):
So and also that he said he worked some overtime
and they didn't pay him for the overtime, so he quit,
and he filed some employment related claims against oh you,
and ou went to court and said you must dismiss
these outright because of the ministerial ex The ministerial exception
(23:02):
was found by courts over the years and is now
absolutely enshrined. It's under the First Amendment because it protects
the religious organizations from being sued for their decisions regarding
who they employ. But is only if you are a
religious organization and the person is a minister, then they
(23:27):
cannot sue you, no matter what minister. Of course, has
been defined quite loosely to include anyone who is vital
to the religious mission of the religious organization. So an
example I will give you where it has been found
is teachers, the so called religious calling teachers. These are
(23:50):
people who say they were called to teach by their God,
and now they teach in religious schools, and there are
cases where they have been found to be ministers for
this purpose because they're so important to the religious mission
of the school and they can't sue for employment stuff.
So this got Markel says, I'm not a minister. I
look at wine and beef and things, and you know,
(24:12):
make sure that they're prepared properly so they can be certain.
I'm not a minister in any way. And the OHU
group is not a religious group because they they make revenue.
It makes money their program of certifying things as kosher,
so you I can totally sue them. And the district
(24:34):
judge said, no, they're a religious organization, notwithstanding they generate
revenue because they are a five ZHO one C three
charity that nobody keeps the money. The money that's generated
is a for no private benefit. And you are a
minister for this purpose because you are a very religious
person yourself, who does this to help them in their
(24:58):
mission of making kosher food idly available to Orthodox Jews
so they can practice their religion. Your vital, that role
is vital to furthering the religious aims of this organization.
It is a religious based organization meant to support a
religious community. So dismissed. He goes to the Ninth Circuit
(25:18):
Court of Appeals because this case is right out of
the Central District of California.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Here, whoa boy? Both arguments.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
Are they a religious organization? Is he a minister for
this purpose?
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Well, I don't know if they per se or a
religious organization. What they do is make sure, for example,
the the chairs in the synagogue meet.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Code, that you have to have the proper rules and.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Regulations, and that's what the kosher What this organization does
when certifying kosher products.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Now, is it religious?
Speaker 2 (26:01):
It's mandatory under the Torah that you eat kosher, So
is that religious?
Speaker 3 (26:08):
I'm going to argue that the connection is Wow, it
could go either way.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
I'm going to argue because of that, it really is
an administrative job and doesn't have religious overtones except that
the Talmud says you must eat that way, and they're
the ones that ensure that.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
The law is upheld.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
And the problem that I think that this organization has,
because I told you earlier, it's simply a question if
you pay these guys, that's what is about. And they
were nailed for declaring some ham and some lobster kosher
and they got caught.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Hell, did you just say, what?
Speaker 5 (26:55):
What is anything that you that's hyperbolic. That's hyperbolic, comedy
and satire, not an assertion of facts.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
That's an assertion of fact. Okay, Okay, well let them
sue me.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Let them sue me while I eat a ham sandwich
on a bagel. And I've said some pretty interesting things
about this organization, and.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
I believe it. By the way, whether it's two or not,
I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
I don't have any facts to determine one way or
the other, other than I met someone who owns a
restaurant that tried to get a kosher certification and it
was crazy the amount.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Of money that was being charged by the organization.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
Okay, which way do they go? H he has no case.
They are and he is.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
That's it. And and and what they.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Said is, look, this ministerial exception has to be viewed
broadly because the point of thing is to not to
interfere with religious organizations decisions.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
So he is a minister for this purpose only.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
He is a minister, and they are a religious organization.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
And he could have.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Gone, I would have gone, I would have gone the
other way because I think both have great arguments.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
We're done, Wayne, Thank you for twenty something years of
being with us. I know this was your last day
and we're going to miss you. Do I have that right?
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Yes? Here it is.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
We are going to miss you, and now that you
are gone, my friend, we'll probably never talk again.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
All right, coming out? Hey, it's done, You're finished, all right?
That is oh mad, I've been.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
I've been required in order to get my final paycheck
to say you are a consummate professional and truly deserved
to be inducted into the Radio Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
I thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
All right, We're done, guys, coming up, Gary and Shannon
back again tomorrow with more of the Shenanigans. Oh god,
that's so stupid. This is KFI AM six forty more
stimulating talk radio. You've been listening to the Bill Handle
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